Topics of negotiations with Russia unacceptable for Ukraine named in Kyiv

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In Ukraine, they commented on the course of negotiations between Russia and Ukraine, the third round of which should take place in the near future. David Arakhamia, head of the Servant of the People faction in the Verkhovna Rada, brought some clarity to the discussion.

According to the representative of the Ukrainian delegation, the talks are taking place in a "positive manner", the parties listen to each other. However, there are a number of proposals from the Russian side, which the Ukrainian delegation will not accept under any circumstances. We are talking about the recognition of Crimea, as well as the republics of Donbass, i.e. DNR and LNR. According to Arakhmiya, Russia is unlikely to get Ukraine's consent on these issues.



The only two parts on which agreement is almost impossible (...) Crimea and the two so-called republics, Russia insists that we recognize their independence, but this is part of Ukraine, of course, this position is unacceptable for Ukrainian society

- he said.

Thus, it can be stated that the third round of negotiations between the Russian and Ukrainian delegations is unlikely to lead to any shifts. The thing is that the key requirements of Russia are the non-bloc status of Ukraine, enshrined in law, the recognition of the republics of Donbass within the borders of 2014, as well as the complete denazification of the country. At the same time, even at the first meeting, the Russian delegation stated that Russia does not intend to discuss the status of Crimea at all, this is a closed issue.

Kyiv emphasized that the negotiation process is long, so one should not expect quick decisions.
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    1. +25
      6 March 2022 18: 48
      The main thing is not to beat anyone later, at the building of the Kiev court. Remember.
      1. +19
        6 March 2022 18: 51
        I wish I could listen to them after the completion of special events ... although no, I don’t want to hear these mutated Neanderthals.
        1. +11
          6 March 2022 19: 25
          And I WOULD listen to the last word of desire before execution
          1. +4
            6 March 2022 19: 42
            But first, mumubu. laughing This is from a joke.
            1. +4
              6 March 2022 22: 47
              Topics of negotiations with Russia unacceptable for Ukraine named in Kyiv

              Kiev crocodiles-negotiators! Arakhamia, Reznik and Podolyak!
              Then release the civilian population of Ukraine from shelling in the war zone, since there is nothing more to talk about with you!
              1. +3
                7 March 2022 05: 21
                Quote: Tatiana
                release the civilian population of Ukraine from shelling in the combat zone

                And do they need it? What they ask / beg for - planes and guns, not a word about medicines, food. This government does not need the people of Ukraine, it needs a picture of people dying without food and medicine in destroyed buildings next to which they installed / are installing artillery, etc.
        2. -9
          6 March 2022 21: 28
          Don’t you understand that Ukraine is not Monaco and there won’t be enough troops and no supplies to complete special measures?
      2. +25
        6 March 2022 19: 04
        The plot of 2013-2014 with the conclusion of the European Association Agreement by Yanukovych is mirrored.

        He was told that the next one would sign. And overthrown...
        And those who came after him no longer asked questions, they approximately fulfilled all the requirements.

        Therefore, the very fact of ongoing negotiations plays into Russia's hands. After all, the message that "at the tenth round of negotiations the parties reached a complete understanding" is quite probable. Just the names will be different and the situation too.
        1. +3
          6 March 2022 19: 50
          Therefore, the very fact of ongoing negotiations plays into Russia's hands. After all, the message that "at the tenth round of negotiations the parties reached a complete understanding" is quite probable. Just the names will be different and the situation too.

          In the tenth round, there is a chance that the Russian side will relax and miss the blow, so at the maximum in the 5th round you need to finish, like "You don't want to negotiate and we didn't really want to, it's your own fault." Further, according to the principle - who did not hide, we are not to blame.
      3. 0
        6 March 2022 20: 03
        You need to meet once a month, solve crossword puzzles together, tell jokes, and in parallel we will be interested in pieces of our land as part of Russia !!! good
      4. +5
        6 March 2022 20: 30
        They are just trying to play for time, as they once did with Minsk. True, the number will not work this time.
      5. 0
        7 March 2022 09: 30
        It's their business, even if they tear it to pieces. I am not aware of the affairs of Kireev, but I am very suspicious of banking businessmen. The fact that he looked normal at the negotiations, unlike other clowns, is the only thing that does him honor.
    2. +27
      6 March 2022 18: 50
      hence only one result of the negotiations - complete surrender!
      1. +6
        6 March 2022 20: 33
        And on Bankova in Kyiv, a simple Russian soldier Vanya must write in large letters: "I am SATISFIED with the ruins of the Reichstag."
        1. +2
          6 March 2022 23: 30
          Yes, a generally indecent picture emerges here, that the ruins on which one must write throughout Europe and, most importantly, on an island across the strait. In fact, the Russian Federation, having denounced the Washington consensus, came into conflict with the imperialism of the old world + not yet fallen but no longer a light across the ocean.
      2. +5
        6 March 2022 20: 59
        Quote: andr327
        hence only one result of the negotiations - complete surrender!

        Bandera's people do not understand the word, they only understand the words "comrade Mauser".
        If today the Minister of Defense of Ukraine Reznikov said: "Russia has already lost, but does not want to admit its fiasco."
        He will go to the negotiations not to sign the surrender, according to him, he is going to accept the surrender. NO negotiations with the Nazis and Bandera.
        1. +2
          7 March 2022 00: 36
          Quote: tihonmarine
          NO negotiations with the Nazis and Bandera.

          Right! Talking to them is only to humiliate and disgrace yourself!

          Quote: tihonmarine
          Bandera's people do not understand the word, they only understand the words "comrade Mauser".
          If today the Minister of Defense of Ukraine Reznikov said: "Russia has already lost, but does not want to admit its fiasco."

          I think that he says so because Russia agrees to negotiations. Now, if Russia said that we do not need negotiations - we only need a victory, then the leadership of Ukraine would otherwise start talking a little.
      3. +3
        7 March 2022 00: 29
        Quote: andr327
        hence only one result of the negotiations - complete surrender!

        With the liquidation of Ukraine as an independent state with its inclusion in the Russian Federation.

        All other layouts with the preservation of the state of Ukraine, and even with the current government, will make a military special operation meaningless.

        We should also not forget about the trials that Putin promised against the guilty leaders of Ukraine.
    3. +24
      6 March 2022 18: 51
      Q.E.D. Russia is negotiable. He does everything to make peace. puts forward reasonable requirements and conditions. However, the opposite side is not able to solve anything. Doesn't compromise. And if so, the negotiations will continue. And the operation of demilitarization and denazification will also continue. Until complete decommunization (c). Flies separately, and cutlets separately.
      1. +9
        6 March 2022 18: 56
        And if so, the negotiations will continue. And the operation of demilitarization and denazification will also continue. Until complete decommunization
        And at the next round of negotiations they will simply be arrested as war criminals, representing by that time a non-existent country.
      2. +4
        6 March 2022 19: 07
        Quote: vervolk
        However, the opposite side is not able to solve anything. Doesn't compromise.

        In order for Kyiv to be able to compromise, it is necessary to demand recognition of the independence of 5-6 independent republics on the territory of Ukraine. And then give in and agree to 4-5.
        good
      3. +6
        6 March 2022 19: 59
        Vladimir Vladimirovich warned that if the negotiations drag on, then Ukraine could lose its statehood. If these negotiators do not come to their senses, there will be the Kyiv region.
        1. +2
          6 March 2022 20: 33
          Ukraine has actually already lost control over key energy resources and control over regions. Resistance is built on healthy patriotism. Therefore, people need to be explained that they only have to change the direction of ideology and the country should be ruled by sound minds, and not by a fascist elite.
          1. +2
            7 March 2022 00: 29
            Quote: gridasov
            Resistance is built on healthy patriotism.

            On the unhealthy, dear Gridasov, on the unhealthy. And yes, a soft sign is superfluous. Yes wink hi
            1. 0
              11 March 2022 19: 48
              People have a distorted idea of ​​who is their friend and who is manipulating. And by healthy patriotism, I mean the same thing that corresponds to the Russians.
    4. +15
      6 March 2022 18: 51
      Apparently Kyiv will wait, instead of negotiations, they will have to sign a complete surrender
    5. +12
      6 March 2022 18: 54
      These Kiev negotiators - today they talked, tomorrow they shot. By the end of next week, they will discuss the recognition of Ukraine within the borders of the small principality of Kiev with the borders of the Kiev region. In general, such a new Kiev Monaco .... And in another week, Ukraine will agree to leave at least the size of the Vatican. The government of Ukraine and the US Embassy will be driven there, surrounded by a fence. And hang the Nazis on the fence posts. hi to remind.
      1. +5
        6 March 2022 19: 10
        Quote: zloybond
        And for another week, Ukraine will negotiate to leave at least the size of the Vatican

        your words to God's ears! These "negotiations" are like Minsk-1, Minsk-2... Only people are distracted. Send these "negotiators" to Mariupol or something closer. Since such patriots - let them defend Ukraine on the battlefield!
        Py.Sy. Poroshenko posed here with a gun, but where is his son? He had a draft age, "in the ATO" he visited, so let him be called.
    6. +12
      6 March 2022 18: 55
      Since such a swing, then what is worth attaching to the DPR and LPR, Kherson, Zaparozhskaya, Odessa and a little more, so that there would be a land corridor to Transnistria, as well as cut off Ukraine from the Black Sea, so that NATO and the USA would not hang out there in the past, otherwise they will begin to Maidan again, The Poles are their mother by the leg, even those extras are entertainers, only according to Lavrov!
      1. +4
        6 March 2022 19: 38
        Actually, they themselves are pushing Russia to another option - If the world does not recognize the republic, they will be asked to join. Here the world community has "Zugzwang" like in chess - if you don't want it, it will be like that ... BUT! In any case, it will. hi
        1. 0
          6 March 2022 20: 52
          Fully agree with you! hi
      2. +2
        7 March 2022 00: 44
        Quote: belovvladimir
        Since such a swing, then what is worth attaching to the DPR and LPR, Kherson, Zaparozhskaya, Odessa and a little more, so that there would be a land corridor to Transnistria

        And include all of them together in Russia!

        Enough to be shy and afraid - it will not get worse. Everyone who wants to be with us should be boldly accepted, including South Ossetia (it has been asking for a long time) and Transnistria.
    7. +9
      6 March 2022 18: 55
      Topics of negotiations with Russia unacceptable for Ukraine named in Kyiv
      And that, in Russia, the existence of such a state, nearby, is considered unacceptable ...
    8. +10
      6 March 2022 18: 56
      "In the course of a special military operation, the facts of an emergency cleansing by the Kiev regime of traces of a military biological program being implemented in Ukraine, funded by the US Department of Defense, were uncovered"
      1. +11
        6 March 2022 19: 08
        Nebenzya will shake a test tube at the UN with pleasure, entering the meeting room in the OZK and a gas mask. The US representative will not be afraid, she is always in a gas mask. Team: Remove gas masks, this is not for her.
        1. +5
          6 March 2022 19: 24
          Quote: tralflot1832
          Nebenzya will shake the UN with a test tube with pleasure

          dill was noted in the development of nuclear weapons, contributed to the development of biological weapons - it’s time for them to negotiate a deal with the prosecutor, they will receive a life sentence or sit down for 10 years
          1. +1
            6 March 2022 19: 26
            Those who need it are already looking for a rocket and plutonium. I hope they find it.
    9. +5
      6 March 2022 18: 57
      Yes, it’s clear that time is being pulled ... incapable of negotiating ....
    10. +2
      6 March 2022 18: 57
      There are people who want to drag just like that. On reflexes. Why post a picture like this?
      1. +1
        6 March 2022 19: 05
        Quote: sergo1914
        There are people who want to drag just like that. On reflexes. Why post a picture like this?

        The face of this one is such an ara-hamia. It can be seen that dad and mom were very drunk at the conception of this rude ..
        1. +4
          6 March 2022 19: 23
          Quote: 30 vis
          Quote: sergo1914
          There are people who want to drag just like that. On reflexes. Why post a picture like this?

          The face of this one is such an ara-hamia. It can be seen that dad and mom were very drunk at the conception of this rude ..


          Well, yes. Yes, and close relatives, along the way. How are they all running.
    11. +5
      6 March 2022 18: 57
      You might think - their opinion means at least something. And someone is interested..
    12. +3
      6 March 2022 18: 59
      Oh, who are they now after the murder of their own demonstrative negotiator (which is a clear trace of curators from abroad in order to continue the conflict and an indicator of the lack of power as such in 404). There is no real power there. Negotiations can be carried out for show with any famous homeless person from Ukraine with the same success and results.
    13. +5
      6 March 2022 18: 59
      just until it burns and the process can be pulled. That's when Mariupol and Kharkov fall and Kyiv will be in the ring, the cunning will begin to stir quickly.
    14. +4
      6 March 2022 19: 04
      So we will press on until these topics become acceptable for discussion. We have many calibers.
      And in general - it is necessary to talk only with the shepherd. And not with his brainless sheep.
    15. -6
      6 March 2022 19: 05
      Crimea and the two so-called republics, Russia insists that we recognize their independence, but this is part of Ukraine, of course, this position is unacceptable for Ukrainian society

      At the same time, even at the first meeting, the Russian delegation stated that Russia does not intend to discuss the status of Crimea at all, this is a closed issue.

      Nobody is surprised by the mutual exclusion of these postulates?
    16. +2
      6 March 2022 19: 06
      "The parties listen to each other" ...
      That's good. Ours will send small figures with big ears for negotiations "to hear you better" ... So they sit and listen for a good salary. Meanwhile, the operation is under way.
    17. -1
      6 March 2022 19: 09
      What is this MONKEY in the photo! Break her face with hammers and the war will end very quickly.
      How can you even talk about something with this redneck. This is the most incompetent parody of a person. This is a cap CH.M.O.LOCHAMIA, which has no place among people on earth. He must be crippled as soon as possible so that this geek can no longer walk and ride anywhere else.
    18. ToS
      +5
      6 March 2022 19: 12
      This was obvious from the very beginning, and the negotiations themselves were only formal. It was foolish to expect otherwise.
    19. +1
      6 March 2022 19: 14
      It seems that at the first meeting the issue of recognizing Crimea as Russian was not raised, since for Russia it was obvious
      If the delegations gently hint that Russia can find more accommodating ....
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    21. +6
      6 March 2022 19: 17
      this is part of Ukraine, of course, this position is unacceptable for Ukrainian society

      Classic answer:
      Turn around in the march!
      Verbal is not a place for slander.
      Hush, speakers!
      Your
      word,
      Comrade Mauser.
      ©
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    23. +7
      6 March 2022 19: 21
      According to the schedule of the military operation on denazification and demilitarization, appoint the next round of negotiations in Kyiv, if no one comes from the Ukrainian side, consider that there is no such state.
    24. +2
      6 March 2022 19: 23
      David Arakhamia, head of the Servant of the People faction in the Verkhovna Rada, brought some clarity to the discussion.
      The photo in the header is not quite right ... it should be like this
      1. +4
        6 March 2022 20: 00
        "a photo"
        and so this is the same gopnik in a cap ... and why without seeds??
        1. +2
          6 March 2022 20: 01
          Quote: usr01
          why no seeds?

          Forgot to buy from grandma
    25. +6
      6 March 2022 19: 25
      Does anyone in the world care about Kyiv's opinion?
    26. +4
      6 March 2022 19: 33
      The requirements of the Russian Federation will be accepted (at least) after the destruction of the group in the Donbass is achieved. This will be a very tough battle.
    27. +1
      6 March 2022 19: 33
      Let the politicians chat, as long as the military is not distracted.
    28. +4
      6 March 2022 19: 37
      Kyiv emphasized that the negotiation process is long, so one should not expect quick decisions.

      Only surrender negotiations pass quickly...
    29. +3
      6 March 2022 19: 46
      No, no judgment! Complete destruction and denazification!
    30. 0
      6 March 2022 19: 47
      Yes, everything can be done easier - the absence of territorial claims against neighbors, including the Russian Federation and the LDNR.
    31. 0
      6 March 2022 19: 52

      What to negotiate.
      Give the negotiators Our (Russia) demands on paper.
      They want to do it - they don’t want to ... it’s worse for them.
      angry
    32. +2
      6 March 2022 19: 54
      Documents obtained by the Russian side confirm that biological weapons components were being developed in Ukraine in close proximity to Russia, Major General Igor Konashenkov, spokesman for the Russian Defense Ministry, told reporters.


      So what are you talking about with them? In addition, they do not have power in Ukraine - the Armed Forces of Ukraine are already subordinate to the Nazis, and there is no decree for Zelya's Nazis. Remember the breakthrough in Volnovakha today during the silence regime. Remember Mariupol.
    33. +1
      6 March 2022 19: 58
      "this position is unacceptable"
      well, stand in an acceptable, knee-elbow position, as Bandera taught, sign the surrender, and don’t waste time ... clowns ...
    34. +4
      6 March 2022 20: 05
      Complete and unconditional surrender, subject to all our conditions.
      And no compromises.
      And if someone intervenes - too tough.
      So that it would be disrespectful to everyone.
      And so that everyone understands that this is serious.
      The word "Nazism" to disappear from the lexicon, so that they are afraid to pronounce this word.
      And the Nazis, along with their well-wishers, were condemned and destroyed.
      Against the United States, it is also necessary to take some decisive measures.
      Otherwise, they will continue to plot intrigues against Russia.
      The entire Russian people must unite in achieving our common goal.
      Russia will rise, it will be possible to live in peace.
      Young people need to be protected from Western influence.
      At present, our ideological work is at a low level.
      Western propaganda simply outrages with its idiocy, and most importantly, it has a negative impact on the younger generation.
      1. 0
        6 March 2022 21: 16
        Quote: dvg1959
        The word "Nazism" to disappear from the lexicon, so that they are afraid to pronounce this word

        Personally, I got hit in the neck (and a bunch of obscenities ..) from a neighbor for drawing a fascist sign (on a trash can) ... And I didn’t have time to explain that this is a tank, and we throw “grenades” at it ... I didn’t have time. ..
        It was strictly on Peresyp... "You're not here!!!" (from) hi
    35. +1
      6 March 2022 20: 09
      We are talking about the recognition of the Crimea, as well as the republics of Donbass, i.e. DNR and LNR. According to Arakhmiya, Russia is unlikely to get Ukraine's consent on these issues.

      If they don’t agree on these issues, then it’s not even worth talking about the rest. After all, they are talking about surrender, under the beautiful name of demilitarization. After all, their propaganda says that the Ukrainian army is defeating the aggressor. Well, or just negotiate with them, for the sake of negotiations.
    36. 0
      6 March 2022 20: 22
      Russia unequivocally won the first stage of the operation. And now, at the same active pace, it is necessary to move on to the second stage, which will be expanded to military police and propaganda activities. Therefore, in order to avoid bloodshed, it is necessary to reorient the national fascist orientation and rhetoric and ideology by propaganda and other methods, and healthy patriotism should be built on it to the national patriotic orientation, but in the spirit of cooperation and development in the Slavic world. And further confrontation with the fascist ideology is carried out by the hands of the Ukrainians themselves. At the same time adding benefits from economic preferences. Potentially, the Russian army is already capable of actively influencing half of Ukraine. Therefore, a set of propaganda measures becomes very relevant. Russia is able to completely reduce tensions only if it captures the information space. Naturally, together with the rationale for the people of all the criminal activities of all previous and current authorities in Ukraine, which must be captured alive and brought to public trial.
    37. +2
      6 March 2022 20: 27
      I doubt very much that my country will give back to the “stoned” what it cleared from Nazism. Because it will be a betrayal for the dead wars! Let them keep dressing up, soon they won’t even have a heel left for Lvov ...
      1. +1
        6 March 2022 20: 30
        The war must be ended by the hands of the Ukrainians, but under strict control. The Ukrainians, like all Slavs, are mindful and will not give up their own. Therefore, the fewer deaths, the faster the wounds on the body of the Slavic world will heal.
    38. +1
      6 March 2022 20: 30
      here, after all, even the problem is not in the Ukrainian authorities. They are puppets, so they don't decide anything. Those who need this war will not agree to end the conflict for a long time and stubbornly and will fuel the regime in Ukraine as much as possible. The destruction of Ukraine is nothing for them, as well as for the authorities of the remnants of Ukraine. They don't give a damn about it. They will no longer live here, even if the Russian Federation suddenly leaves.
      But that's not important. The important thing is that the EU, near which the war is taking place, does nothing to stop it, and worse than that, it only fuels the massacre and destruction of Ukraine. I don't know, either they are not smart people, or they are also controlled from the outside in the same way. It would not be difficult for the EU to propose a compromise option to both sides. It is quite possible to develop it in such a way that both parties would remain, not only satisfied, but at the very least satisfied.
    39. +1
      6 March 2022 20: 38
      What are they for? Only surrender.
    40. 0
      6 March 2022 20: 38
      Quote: AwaZ
      here, after all, even the problem is not in the Ukrainian authorities. They are puppets, so they don't decide anything. Those who need this war will not agree to end the conflict for a long time and stubbornly and will fuel the regime in Ukraine as much as possible. The destruction of Ukraine is nothing for them, as well as for the authorities of the remnants of Ukraine. They don't give a damn about it. They will no longer live here, even if the Russian Federation suddenly leaves.
      But that's not important. The important thing is that the EU, near which the war is taking place, does nothing to stop it, and worse than that, it only fuels the massacre and destruction of Ukraine. I don't know, either they are not smart people, or they are also controlled from the outside in the same way. It would not be difficult for the EU to propose a compromise option to both sides. It is quite possible to develop it in such a way that both parties would remain, not only satisfied, but at the very least satisfied.

      EU under strict guidance
      The USA is stepping on its own throat (consciously), what can we talk about? The only thing they are trying to get the resource base out of the sanctions ...
    41. +1
      6 March 2022 20: 48
      Well, then what to negotiate with these ghouls?
    42. +1
      6 March 2022 21: 02
      It's time to conduct business trips for negotiations at our own expense. This shit will last for years. It is necessary to immediately put before the Ukrainians a number of conditions, points that cannot be canceled or amended. And by phone, if consent is not received, do not leave.
    43. 0
      6 March 2022 21: 08
      95 Is the quarter joking again? In such a kneeling position, to have some other "irreconcilable conditions"? Well this is how much you need to drink ... no - sniff out!
    44. 0
      6 March 2022 22: 08
      Someone would have hit him on the back of the head so that he would take off his cap from his head ...
      Countryman Saakashvili or what?
    45. +7
      6 March 2022 22: 38
      Where to open a humanitarian corridor, where to withdraw civilians, to exchange prisoners. We are civilized people, unlike some.
      And on the main issue - complete unconditional surrender throughout the territory. Otherwise, there was nothing to start.
    46. -2
      6 March 2022 22: 51
      Negotiations are a long process and Ukraine will pull the cat by the tail until it stops. Time works for her, There are no deafening victories, the army "storms" the enemy with 1-2 tanks that are attacked by destroyed aircraft, friends from the West and Transcaucasia are pulling up, the Armed Forces of Ukraine are regrouping, and we are all according to plan! It looks like the plan is weak!
    47. 0
      7 March 2022 05: 20
      I recall Voltaire's aphorism "You can't teach a smart person, you can't convince a stupid one" .. And it's generally useless to talk with this drug addict.
    48. 0
      7 March 2022 06: 16
      I do not understand what you can talk about with stupid.
    49. 0
      7 March 2022 08: 38
      We are decent people.
      You can't take these scumbags seriously.
      They still don't decide anything.
      And we are negotiating with them, because there is no one else.
    50. +1
      7 March 2022 09: 06
      Topics of negotiations with Russia unacceptable for Ukraine named in Kyiv

      So the command from the United States has not yet been received. The United States will squeeze everything out of this crisis.
    51. 0
      7 March 2022 15: 36
      the Ukrainian delegation will not go under any circumstances

      Wait and see.
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    53. 0
      8 March 2022 07: 40
      Quote: Alexander Glazkov
      And I WOULD listen to the last word of desire before execution

      A cigarette. A glass of cognac. .And only then to the guillotine.

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