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Russia opened its arms to NATO

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Despite the abundance of criticism, the Ulyanovsk Transit and Transit Center is ready to start work.

Zamir Kabulov, Special Representative of the President of the Russian Federation for Afghanistan, declared that the transit and transshipment center is ready to send NATO cargo to Afghanistan to begin work in Ulyanovsk. More specific data, in particular, the transit start dates, depend on the decision of the Alliance countries.

“As far as I know, the Ulyanovsk transit and transshipment point, in principle, is already ready to handle cargo,” the official told Interfax. According to him, "NATO members have received good, and now it depends on them whether they want to use this item." Kabulov also noted that work in Ulyanovsk does not imply the presence of American military personnel. “This is not a base, everything will be done by our operators, ground services,” the special representative said.

The official noted that the demand for the services provided will be exactly as much as provided for by Russian legislation. He stressed that despite the fact that transit through the Russian Federation costs NATO members more than through Pakistan, at the same time it is more reliable. “Everything will come, but not everything comes, as practice shows,” Kabulov said.

In February of this year, it was announced that the alternative cargo route for the NATO International Security Assistance Force (ISAF) in Afghanistan will pass through Ulyanovsk. What was happening provoked discontent among the ranks of local residents: they decided that the base of NATO would be located in the city, “hiding behind” the title of a transit and transshipment center. Then the Russian Foreign Ministry hastily refuted such rumors: in mid-March, the ministry announced that there would be no personnel of the North Atlantic Alliance in Ulyanovsk.

As the official representative of the department, Alexander Lukashevich, said, we are not talking about military installations. “For the purpose of possible transit, only civilian objects of material and technical support - temporary storage warehouses and so on,” he assured.

In addition, Foreign Minister Sergei Lavrov stressed that the transit of goods for the ISAF through Ulyanovsk was dictated primarily by the interests of the country. “We are interested in the fact that those who stop the threats that create problems for Russia inside Afghanistan effectively fulfill their tasks,” the minister said and added that only “non-lethal” cargo will be transferred through Russian territory.

The leadership of the Ulyanovsk region ardently supported the organization of the base, since it can become a source of funding and open the prospect of creating new jobs. Governor Sergey Morozov promised that the transportation will be carried out only by planes of Russian companies with the Russian crews, and neither military cargo nor military personnel will appear in Ulyanovsk. “We are not talking about military facilities in principle,” he noted.

Nevertheless, the assurances did not make a proper impression on the residents, and in March a protest was held in Ulyanovsk against the deployment of the point at Vostochny Airport. Moreover, the Duma faction of the Communist Party of the Russian Federation also opposed this initiative. Communist leader Gennady Zyuganov said that the placement of a transit point within the boundaries of Russia is nothing more than a payment for the recognition of the results of presidential elections by Washington. He called for "not to give NATO boots to land on the sacred Russian land."

In April, Ulyanovsk supporters of the communist regime declared a hunger strike in protest of NATO transportation. True, the protest did not last long: a few days later, the police dispersed the tent camp of the demonstrators. Deputy Prime Minister Dmitry Rogozin called the hunger strike a provocation. “Someone made a provocation and pushed naive people to stupidity. Shame, ”he commented on what was happening.

Rogozin said that he was tired of hearing and reading statements that allegedly would be transported through the NATO base weapon: “I explain: this is about the so-called. multimodal transit of non-lethal goods ". He explained that transit is commercial in nature (money goes to the budget of the Russian Federation), and added a catchy statement: “I don’t think that transit through Russia of NATO toilet paper is a betrayal of the Motherland”.

The newspaper "Vzglyad" reports that employees of the airport, in which transit aircraft must land, doubt that the project will begin in the coming months. According to the publication, Ulyanovsk customs will be transformed into a customs post with a concomitant reduction of the working staff by 70%. “And when we are assured that everything will take place under the control of customs officials, it is rather difficult to believe in it. Corruption struck this institution as well, ”complained the first secretary of the Ulyanovsk Regional Committee of the Communist Party of the Russian Federation, Alexander Kruglikov.

Most citizens of the Russian Federation have a negative attitude to the placement of such a transport point. At the same time, Russian President Vladimir Putin during the August conversation with the servicemen and veterans of the Airborne Forces said that the country needs these measures in order “to be calm on the southern borders.” “There is a constant presence of NATO troops in Afghanistan. We must help them. Let them fight there, ”the head of state added.
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  1. Sasha 19871987
    Sasha 19871987 27 September 2012 07: 20
    +16
    anyway, I will express the opinion of the majority — you shouldn’t let these scum on our land, and it doesn’t matter what they transport — either toilet paper, or, God forbid, all kinds of weapons ... I definitely DO NOT !!! the budget can be replenished by raising alcohol prices or by imposing a wealth tax !!!
    1. thatupac
      thatupac 27 September 2012 08: 51
      +2
      So let's see how the residents of Ulyanovsk fight enemies in words, but in practice. And how to serve, then fuuu, and when you ask what if they attack, what you will do, they say that they will give for their and the last drop of blood ... like. Stop whining! Go to work! Winter is coming, and my wife without a fur coat.
      1. spender
        spender 27 September 2012 09: 51
        +9
        Aware of the commercial benefits of this item, you should still take into account the public resonance that it causes. Is it worth it in our turbulent times to cling to several million dollars in profit, less than a month before having forgiven 10 billion ....
        I think that in this case it’s not only the money that the USA makes concessions for, so that Russia will allow the opening of this point, we will never know, the big politics does not tolerate publicity, but is going on in private, without further publicity.
        Personally, I do not see any "out of the series of emerging events" in this transit ... But the fact that the communists are PR on this is beyond doubt hi
        1. keylogger
          keylogger 27 September 2012 11: 00
          0
          by providing a path through us, we are cooling another Asian corridor along the way, involving it in normal affairs, and not "transit" ..
          Buyers do not know how to communicate since we are with the SGA.
        2. nycsson
          nycsson 27 September 2012 11: 02
          +5
          Quote: spender
          Is it worth it in our turbulent times to cling to several million dollars in profit, less than a month before forgiving 10 billion ....

          That's for sure! Gold words! I believe that there is nothing to do with commercial gain! Rather personal ....... am
      2. starshina78
        starshina78 27 September 2012 12: 47
        0
        And why only residents of Ulyanovsk, and you and all other residents of Russia?
    2. Trofimov174
      Trofimov174 27 September 2012 16: 31
      +2
      Who is this "these"? In Ulyanovsk, not a single foot of a NATO infantryman will step, all that will be is supplies, lots of cheeseburgers and porno magazines for the Alliance troops, without which no NATO soldier can fight. If this infringes on you, then forgive me, and American cars in our country can be considered as intervention and an insult to the feelings of true patriots, although if you openly state this, then uncles from the mental hospital will come to you at any time. And the measures that you suggested are only at first glance correct, because the price of alcohol will rise and people will be poisoned with low-quality alcohol from the back room, and the introduction of a wealth tax can seriously offend those who have made this very wealth with sweat and blood (yes, yes , only a true imperial believes that in Russia the rich are exclusively thieves and bandits).
  2. Yarbay
    Yarbay 27 September 2012 07: 23
    +8
    *** Most citizens of the Russian Federation have a negative attitude to the location of such a transport point. At the same time, Russian President Vladimir Putin during an August conversation with servicemen and veterans of the Airborne Forces said that these measures are needed by the country in order to "make it calm on the southern borders." “There is a constant presence of NATO troops in Afghanistan. I need to help them. Let them fight there, ”the head of state added. ***“ Is it interesting to me that without a transshipment point in Ulyanovsk, the amers in Afghanistan will not be able to fight ???
    1. gojesi
      gojesi 27 September 2012 07: 41
      +3
      Quote: Yarbay
      -I'm here, what is interesting without a transshipment point in Ulyanovsk amers in Afghanistan will not be able to fight ???

      Salam Alibek!
      I also strongly doubt ... but trusting Putin ... putting on the same level the possibilities of his information and analytical services, on the one hand and my brain, on the other, I come to the conclusion that Putin’s opportunities for making the right decision are certainly incomparably higher :)
      1. Yarbay
        Yarbay 27 September 2012 07: 45
        0
        Quote: gojesi
        Salam Alibek!
        I also strongly doubt ... but trusting Putin ... putting on the same level the possibilities of his information and analytical services, on the one hand and my brain, on the other, I come to the conclusion that Putin’s opportunities for making the right decision are certainly incomparably higher :)

        Wa alaikuma salam!
        Perhaps you are right, but the arguments given to society are weak !!
        1. Fox
          Fox 27 September 2012 12: 27
          0
          these are not arguments, but verbiage.
      2. 1tankist
        1tankist 27 September 2012 08: 13
        +3
        Quote: gojesi
        I also strongly doubt ... but trusting Putin ... putting on the same level the possibilities of his information and analytical services, on the one hand and my brain, on the other, I come to the conclusion that Putin’s opportunities for making the right decision are certainly incomparably higher :)


        Good morning, Alexander. I support your opinion.
        I’ll add on my own that information about the opening of a transit point also distorted me. However, officials have already assured three hundred times that the transit point will remain so. NATO personnel will not work there, as this is not provided for in principle.
        What else is needed for people to calm down?
        I believe that there will be peace only when local residents and other citizens of Russia are convinced that the words of the President and the Government do not really diverge from the deeds. To be objective, Putin, without stopping the dialogue with his probable "friends", never once gave in to doubt that he would somehow surrender the position of Russia. Russia's influence in the international arena is only growing, and the pressure on it from the United States and its vassals has not had any success.
        In addition, when carrying out transit, there is the possibility of controlling NATO cargo. I think that this control will be carried out not only through customs, but also through special services. Or does anyone doubt it? Having studied NATO transit in the so-called laboratory conditions, we can draw certain conclusions for ourselves, study the nature of the supply of troops, take countermeasures, etc. If NATO violates the agreement, then this is an occasion to put pressure on them. And if he doesn’t break it, then all the same the negotiating positions of Russia with the NATO countries on any issue will be strengthened, since they will remember in hindsight about the transit point that they need. Do they want to confront in this case? I’m sure not.
        Therefore, the transit point should be treated without unnecessary hysteria and emotions, but with a cold head and pragmatic calculation.
        1. Yarbay
          Yarbay 27 September 2012 08: 15
          0
          Quote: 1tankist
          Therefore, the transit point should be treated without unnecessary hysteria and emotions, but with a cold head and pragmatic calculation.

          Then also refer to such points and even bases in other countries !!
          1. 1tankist
            1tankist 27 September 2012 09: 15
            +2
            Quote: Yarbay
            Then also refer to such points and even bases in other countries !!


            I’m calm with respect to points, but not with bases.
            If it will not be BASES, but TRANSIT ITEMS, free of NATO troops and infrastructure aimed at discussing military equipment in case of conflict, then I am for it.
            It remains for the small to re-equip NATO bases in transit points.
            1. Yarbay
              Yarbay 27 September 2012 09: 35
              0
              Quote: 1tankist
              I’m calm with respect to points, but not with bases.

              Why ?? they also help the amers to fight in Afghanistan !!!
              Without them, Amers can not)))))))))))))
              Please be consistent, those who give the Amer base do more for the war in Afghanistan !!))
        2. gojesi
          gojesi 27 September 2012 08: 40
          +3
          Hello namesake!
          I completely agree with you and support ... We live in such a time that what they stick out to us, vparivayut, palm off ... not always coaxial with reality. Because the charter is wrong, I believe that you need to trust (I need to trust) the one who has more opportunities and rights, and who is like our President! Well, do not believe in bulk with the Germans and other dogs? Funny to say :)
        3. nycsson
          nycsson 27 September 2012 11: 08
          0
          Quote: 1tankist
          Good morning, Alexander. I support your opinion.

          Minusanul from the heart! fool
      3. nycsson
        nycsson 27 September 2012 11: 07
        +1
        Quote: gojesi
        that Putin’s opportunities for making the right decision are definitely and incomparably higher :)

        But it will not work, as with army reform ??? negative
    2. bairat
      bairat 27 September 2012 07: 46
      +3
      It’s also not clear to me whether he would arrange a transshipment base in Georgia, for example, and a closer and more faithful ally.
      1. Yarbay
        Yarbay 27 September 2012 08: 00
        +2
        Quote: bairat
        It’s also not clear to me whether he would arrange a transshipment base in Georgia, for example, and a closer and more faithful ally.

        Yes, full of transshipment bases and points !!
        1. Odessa
          Odessa 27 September 2012 08: 56
          0
          Yarbay,
          Yes, full of transshipment bases and points !!

          They would build their bases in the countries that are part of the NATO bloc. How many years without Russia. But here, on you, they urgently needed Ulyanovsk. It is too early to draw conclusions, but still no one will listen. stop
      2. Beck
        Beck 27 September 2012 11: 07
        +1
        Bayrath.

        I didn’t think about something, Others probably too. But the bewilderment was why Ulyanovsk. And not like Georgia. Yes, probably because delivering goods through the Atlantic, Europe, and Georgia is more expensive than through the Arctic Ocean and Ulyanovsk.
        1. GP
          GP 27 September 2012 19: 09
          +3
          Ulyanovsk is an important junction of the Kuibyshev railway, has one main and 3 secondary stations. There are two airports near the city - Ulyanovsk-Central (ULK) and Ulyanovsk-Vostochny International Airport (ULY). On the right bank of the Volga in the Zheleznodorozhny district is the Ulyanovsk River Port.

          Georgia is not good, there is no convenient transport network: Turkmenistan-Caspian-Azerbaijan-Georgia-Cher
          Noah Sea-Mediterranean-Europe - hemorrhoid: railway barge-railway barge. Turkmenistan (Uzbekistan) -Kazakhstan-Russia-Belarus-Euro
          pa - both loaded and sent: railway and all. I think so. And I don’t really want half of the equipment to be accidentally forgotten in Georgia. Better under supervision. Basically, there the Euro-NATO members will take their own junk.
          1. bairat
            bairat 28 September 2012 08: 39
            +1
            If there was a railway going to Afghanistan, then there are no questions, Ulyanovsk is not needed here, trains would go directly from Europe. According to the current plan, the cargoes that arrived in Ulyanovsk by rail are reloaded and then fly by transport aircraft. In principle, the same cargo can be transported by sea to Georgia from there and sent in the same way by air.
    3. Alexander Romanov
      Alexander Romanov 27 September 2012 07: 47
      +4
      Quote: Yarbay
      I need to help them

      Hi Alibek, the most interesting thing is to help those who armed and trained Georgian soldiers, to help those who made plans for the attack on South Ossetia, to help those who accuse us of all sins, we help liars and war criminals. Who wants it, but I refuse to understand it.
      1. Yarbay
        Yarbay 27 September 2012 07: 59
        +4
        Quote: Alexander Romanov
        Hi Alibek, the most interesting thing is to help those who armed and trained Georgian soldiers, to help those who made plans for the attack on South Ossetia, to help those who accuse us of all sins, we help liars and war criminals. Who wants it, but I refuse to understand it.

        Hi Sanya !!
        I think the question is not so simple, they correctly noted that Putin has an apparatus
        information and analytical services !!
        The goal for me is not clear of this decision!
        Do you understand how it will be possible then to reproach a country for opening NATO bases on its territories ??
        Everyone will say that it is necessary to help them, let them fight there !!
        and find another hundred reasons !!
        1. Alexander Romanov
          Alexander Romanov 27 September 2012 08: 21
          +3
          Quote: Yarbay

          I think the question is not so simple, they correctly noted that Putin has an apparatus
          information and analytical services

          Alibek, even so, the decision is still made by him, not by the apparatus, and he perfectly sees the results of NATO's work in Afghanistan. You can’t even talk about heroin. And not only Afghanistan, what is happening now in Syria and if NATO gets there, what will Putin say? - These are our partners and we must help them in Afghanistan while they bomb Syria. What will Putin say when Russian citizens, who are many in Syria, will die under NATO bombs. Although, what am I talking about. Putin and Bush called him a friend, but a friend ........ suddenly turned out to be me 08.08.08 I don’t understand and will not !!!
          1. Yarbay
            Yarbay 27 September 2012 08: 23
            +1
            Quote: Alexander Romanov
            There is no understanding and will not !!!

            The fact that the decisions made are weakly reasoned and incomprehensible to society, I agree !!
          2. kush62
            kush62 28 September 2012 07: 50
            0
            Quote: Putin and Bush called a friend, but a friend ........ suddenly turned out to be me 08.08.08 There is no understanding and will not be !!!

            You call the friend of the person who covered the shame of the Russian hero-pilot who bombed these very founders 08.08.08/XNUMX/XNUMX. Moreover, in the open. But he is constantly against the Kremlin and Putin, which means a friend and respected. Can you explain this to us? Also, some kind of double stand is obtained.
            So it is at our level, and at the top it is politics. They cannot shoot at each other until we have declared war.
        2. gojesi
          gojesi 27 September 2012 08: 48
          +1
          Quote: Yarbay
          The goal for me is not clear of this decision!
          You understand how it will be possible then to reproach a country for opening NATO bases on its territories

          Alibek! This is NOT a BASIS in the usual sense, it is a TRANSLATION BASE. There are no NATO troops there, we are opening all the containers! This is NOT THEIR TERRITORY, as it would be, if they rented it from us, but to Russia! And then very, very good money! Yes, there are many pluses, and in addition to money, this is a lever of pressure ... Although I repeat, I would refuse, but I believe Putin! He is building a strong homeland! I trust him! He plays on our side!
          1. Yarbay
            Yarbay 27 September 2012 09: 04
            +1
            Quote: gojesi
            There are no NATO troops there, we are opening all the containers!

            I know perfectly well what the TRANSLATION BASE !!
            I’m not sure and I can say that I do not believe that the containers will be opened - this is baby talk !!
            But the cargo documents will be submitted!
            Quote: gojesi
            ! Yes, there are many pluses and in addition to money, this is a lever of pressure ...

            This is ridiculous))))) what lever ???
            Do you really think that without this TRANSLATION BASE amers will cry?)))
            Quote: gojesi
            He plays on our side!

            I don’t know, and I don’t understand who is on whose side!
            1. 1tankist
              1tankist 27 September 2012 09: 55
              +1
              Quote: Yarbay
              I don’t know, and I don’t understand who is on whose side!


              Alibek, hello.
              I understand your concern and, to be honest, I also have conflicting feelings. We do not yet have such experience of "cooperation". In everyday life, any of us would not let a rowdy neighbor to his home. But, for example, if I get the opportunity to exercise control over the supply of the rowdy with products, utilities, goods, then what will happen? At the same time, mind you, I will not let him go home anyway. Will the rowdy be more accommodating? It is clear that he will feel negative emotions towards me, but at the same time he will also have a sense of danger. Not immediately, but over time I will more and more influence his behavior. And if this supply channel is the only one, then I will get full control over it.
              In addition, I want to note that the war in Afghanistan is one of the conflicts where NATO conducts hostilities not with the wrong hands, but with its own. The more they get bogged down in it and the more losses they incur, the more confusion and vacillation will be among the countries participating in the alliance, and the dominant US force will decrease.
              Of course, cynical in relation to the Afghan people, but objectively, in this case, we get an advantage over NATO by the hands of the Afghans. As a token of gratitude to the Afghans, I would certainly help them as well by carrying out humanitarian supplies. And after the withdrawal of troops, I would try to develop good-neighborly relations with Afghanistan in terms of trade, restoration of production, etc., but this is subject to their interest. After NATO's "visit", I think such interest will arise.
              1. Yarbay
                Yarbay 27 September 2012 10: 01
                +1
                Hello, Alexander!
                Quote: 1tankist
                Not immediately, but over time I will more and more influence his behavior.

                I do not agree!
                You can influence his behavior only by your physical and financial capabilities, that is, seeing your biceps and knowing about your * connections * and financial capabilities * rowdy ** calm down!
                Quote: 1tankist
                And if this supply channel is the only one, then I will get complete control over it.

                I say that he is not the only one and the USA has no vital need for it !!
                Through my country, how much they want to transport to Afghanistan, what they want !!
                Quote: 1tankist
                The more they get bogged down in it and the more losses they incur, the more confusion and vacillation will be among the countries participating in the alliance, and the dominant US force will decrease

                I repeat my question without this base will not be able to fight ??
                Then for the sake of this war, let's allow them all over the world to have bases and no money to take !!
                1. 1tankist
                  1tankist 27 September 2012 10: 35
                  +2
                  Alibek, you are right, you need everything: biceps, finances, and communications, but I think it’s unreasonable to refuse the opportunity to shut off his water.
                  Our transit is not the only one, and here you are right. Without it, states can fight, and here you are right. In addition, the absence of this transit point will speed up NATO's decision to withdraw troops, since the loss of the "toilet paper" will be higher, and not wiping his ass, the NATO soldier will be demoralized and incapable of combat (sorry, I could not help but sneer about toilet paper) laughing.
                  But let's see what comes of it. Maybe the reason for its presence is still there, and if not, then the berdank behind and back to capture NATO cargo. soldier
                  1. Yarbay
                    Yarbay 27 September 2012 11: 02
                    +1
                    Quote: 1tankist
                    since the loss of "toilet paper" will be higher, and not wiping his ass, the NATO soldier will be demoralized and incapable of fighting

                    we are too simple to relate to this)))
                    Here few people probably know that they even bring water to the military personnel guarding the embassy from the USA !!
                    1. 1tankist
                      1tankist 27 September 2012 11: 26
                      +2
                      Quote: Yarbay
                      we take it too simply))) Here few people probably know that they even bring water from the US to the military personnel guarding the embassy !!


                      My attitude to the United States is a reactionary terrorist regime. The more they lose, the better. They carry water - they are afraid. And, mind you, they are not in vain afraid, hatred of the United States around the world is only growing. This is the result of their foreign policy. You are right that it is impossible to relate to the USA simply, since they are primarily sly, secondly traders, thirdly warriors. But we must pay tribute, Putin somehow turns out that holding out his hand, he does not allow them to chop it off, but rather holds a cookie or a fist in his other hand (depending on the circumstances). Now we need to see how events will develop. Not everything is as simple as it might seem at first glance. Wait and see. Thank you Alibek for the discussion.
                      1. Yarbay
                        Yarbay 27 September 2012 11: 28
                        +1
                        Quote: 1tankist
                        Wait and see. Thank you Alibek for the discussion.

                        Thank you!)))
                        You sent me very intelligently))) I'm joking)))
          2. Odessa
            Odessa 27 September 2012 09: 21
            +3
            gojesi,
            He is building a strong homeland!

            Is this an indication of strength is the creation of a NATO base? I don’t like the stubbornness with which the NATO declared a possible base in Ulyanovsk. And Putin is not able to figure out the State Department hats, but here he is, with his pencils.
      2. chistii20
        chistii20 27 September 2012 08: 07
        +2
        Quote: Alexander Romanov
        Hi Alibek, the most interesting thing is to help those who armed and trained Georgian soldiers, to help those who made plans for the attack on South Ossetia, to help those who accuse us of all sins, we help liars and war criminals. Who wants it, but I refuse to understand it.

        I support for all 1000
        1. kush62
          kush62 28 September 2012 07: 57
          0
          So we all refuse to understand, but all over the country there are Fords, Chevrolets, jeeps and a bunch of other cars of "our" unloved amers. Maybe we will change everything from the principle to the buush cars that japans are selling us? It's like putting on second-hand clothes and proving that the clothes are good, better than new.
      3. Geokingxnumx
        Geokingxnumx 27 September 2012 09: 48
        0
        Quote: Alexander Romanov
        Hi Alibek, the most interesting thing is to help those who armed and trained Georgian soldiers, to help those who made plans for the attack on South Ossetia,

        hello alexander
        Nuno we are so bad
        and sorry who armed the separatists to warriors? who in July 2008 year in Abkhazia before 10 000 soldiers entered.
        Well, don’t do it now!
        1. Alexander Romanov
          Alexander Romanov 27 September 2012 10: 57
          +2
          Quote: GEOKING95
          who in July 2008 year in Abkhazia before 10 000 soldiers entered

          Quote: GEOKING95
          and I'm sorry who armed the separatists to warriors

          Since when did they become separatists, your bosses in the State Department call them freedom fighters.
          Quote: GEOKING95
          who in July 2008 year in Abkhazia before 10 000 soldiers entered.

          If they were there, your Saka would fall asleep to climb into South Ossetia and especially shoot at our peacekeepers. In life, they were mongrels, they remained like that, borsoetochniki yes thieves in law, that's the whole story. And in Tbilisi we will soon be brave enough to look out of the window or you will lie and heroize only in the internet. Wait soon.
          1. Geokingxnumx
            Geokingxnumx 27 September 2012 12: 31
            -1
            Quote: Alexander Romanov
            If they were there, your Saka would fall asleep to climb into South Ossetia and especially shoot at our peacekeepers.

            our saaka in general 7-8 of August said that Russia (the third party) is the grief of the world. On 8 of August 8-9 of the Chisov said that Russia attacked us.
            the same saaka sold strategic points to Russia in Georgia after the war

            we have 6-7 August died peacekeeping and you died 8 August 6 number.
            Quote: Alexander Romanov
            In life, they were mongrels, they remained like that, borsoetochniki yes thieves in law, that's the whole story.

            Well ? Armenia or you or the Azerbaijanis didn’t have thieves in law (or there are now), here is one thief, a murderer of villains, who’s a killer, now has a stomach in Russia and gets good money! whale!
            Quote: Alexander Romanov
            And in Tbilisi we will soon be brave enough to look out of the window or you will lie and heroize only in the internet. Wait soon.

            to lie? Well, say what I said is not true! let's say that America gave us armaments. M4 katorie did not work (the warrior did not use). kamer kator did not use! so what? Well instructor katorie not good America but from Russia were from Ukraine from Israel! t-72 sim 1 which we ourselves have modernized with the help of the ralitian technique)
            I lied to something! or is it your lost day lying?
            1. Alexander Romanov
              Alexander Romanov 27 September 2012 12: 46
              +2
              Quote: GEOKING95
              sh saak on August 7-8 he said that Russia (third party)

              Govorilon said a lot of things, he knows how to lie
              Quote: GEOKING95
              Orontia Mira. On August 8-8-9, the Russians said that Russia attacked us

              Only they forgot to tell you that on 8 numbers on 1 nights, your city and artillery ironed the block of posts of the Russian peacekeepers and equaled Tskhenval.
              Quote: GEOKING95
              peacekeeping died on August 6-7

              Your "peacekeepers" knocked down another 7 together with the OSCE, and 8 participated in the assault on Tskhenvali !!! They kicked them well, they still sleep in sweat.
              Quote: GEOKING95
              the same saaka sold strategic points to Russia in Georgia after the war

              And we didn’t buy anything from you, we came and took it ourselves, but your "brave" soldiers did not revive.
              Quote: GEOKING95
              Armenia or you or Azerbaijanis did not have thieves in law (

              There are, but most are Georgians and the vast majority.
              Quote: GEOKING95
              to lie? Well, say what I said is not true!

              I already said that you're lying!
              Quote: GEOKING95
              let's say that America gave us weapons. The M4 category did not work (the warrior did not use

              Of course they weren’t used, you threw them along with the Hamers and tanks and ran away.
              Quote: GEOKING95
              t-72 sim 1 which we ourselves have modernized with the help of isralitian technology)

              Yes, there were tanks we still don’t know where to put so many trophies, by the way, thanks for upgrading. Soon we will come to them and stock up on flour and canned goods.
              Quote: GEOKING95
              or is it your lost day lying?

              Yes, don’t worry, don’t worry, we’ll come soon and will tell you everything in detail to the FSB investigator wink
              1. Geokingxnumx
                Geokingxnumx 27 September 2012 12: 57
                -2
                Quote: Alexander Romanov
                Your "peacekeepers" knocked down another 7 together with the OSCE, and 8 participated in the assault on Tskhenvali !!! They kicked them well, they still sleep in sweat.

                and you tell them to their mothers) Putin TV channels!
                Quote: Alexander Romanov
                Only they forgot to tell you that on 8 numbers on 1 nights, your city and artillery ironed the block of posts of the Russian peacekeepers and equaled Tskhenval.

                well yes yes yes! equalized and killed. read Babchenko respected
                Quote: Alexander Romanov
                And we didn’t buy anything from you, we came and took it ourselves, but your "brave" soldiers did not revive.

                well yes yes
                Quote: Alexander Romanov
                There are, but most are Georgians and the vast majority.

                Yes, who are sitting in Georgian prisons) Well, we already have no thieves in law (in Georgia)
                Quote: Alexander Romanov
                Of course they weren’t used, you threw them along with the Hamers and tanks and ran away.

                you can argue or sense humiliate the opponent?
                Quote: Alexander Romanov
                Yes, there were tanks we still don’t know where to put so many trophies, by the way, thanks for upgrading. Soon we will come to them and stock up on flour and canned goods.

                laughing yeah 10 sozhgli. the rest left in Georgia)
                Quote: Alexander Romanov
                Yes, don’t worry, don’t worry, we’ll come soon and will tell you everything in detail to the FSB investigator

                laughing ) Well, yes, what? what? will you fight against the people? well done! you have good dreams! oh yeah, why do you be rude to Gryachaev! he helped Abkhazian separatists both in arms and manpower)
                Learn to talk logically!
                http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4-K-Kr2UUMo&feature=plcp даа разрушен цхинвал!
                1. Alexander Romanov
                  Alexander Romanov 27 September 2012 13: 27
                  +2
                  Quote: GEOKING95

                  and you tell them to their mothers) Putin TV channels

                  And Putin, moreover, your cowardly peacekeepers, so you say
                  Quote: GEOKING95
                  yes yes yes! equated and killed. read Babchenko respected

                  Well, here is the clinic, the European Union has officially recognized it !!! Babenko whom your saka paid let him shoot himself
                  Quote: GEOKING95
                  well yes yes

                  Have you seen the money? No, and you won’t see it, we’ll come and take what we want. wink
                  Quote: GEOKING95

                  Yes, who are sitting in Georgian prisons) Well, we already have no thieves in law (in Georgia)

                  Yes, they are all in Russia so far
                  Quote: GEOKING95
                  you can argue or persuade your opponent

                  There is no dispute, there are facts and amers even demanded to return everything back to you, only they were sent to hell. Look at YouTube, there’s a lot of your abandoned trash, you can sit for hours and count trophies wassat
                  Quote: GEOKING95
                  yeah 10 sozhgli. the rest were left in Georgia

                  Well, let it be so, but we equipped a couple of brigades with Georgian tanks, believe further on your president, he is a very honest man lol
                  Quote: GEOKING95
                  Well, yes, what? what? will you fight against the people?

                  That's right, we won’t fight against the people, we’ll just come and hang your president by the balls, and the people will look at the show negative
                  Quote: GEOKING95
                  oh yes, why do you be rude to Gryachaev! he helped Abkhazian separatists both in arms and manpower)

                  Yes, he is like Sahak
                  Quote: GEOKING95
                  Learn Logically

                  I’ll come and you will personally teach me, but don’t quack with fear before wassat
                  1. Geokingxnumx
                    Geokingxnumx 27 September 2012 14: 34
                    -1
                    Quote: Alexander Romanov
                    Well, here is the clinic, the European Union has officially recognized it !!! Babenko whom your saka paid let him shoot himself

                    laughing ha ha ha
                    yes yes) of course
                    Quote: Alexander Romanov
                    And Putin, moreover, your cowardly peacekeepers, so you say

                    no arguments)
                    Quote: Alexander Romanov
                    That's right, we won’t fight against the people, we’ll just come and hang your president by the balls, and the people will look at the show

                    our president, we ourselves 1 october will hang an egg) and those who are against Georgia)

                    Quote: Alexander Romanov
                    I’ll come and you will personally teach me, but don’t quack with fear before

                    I thought object and good opponent
                    but I was wrong) everything is cool in the internet)
                    I’m not fighting you or someone else) I’m fighting for my family, friends of close or simple people who don’t know (what I’ll lose) I will give my life for them, like others will give! (Georgian Armenian, Azerbaijani, American, no difference)
                    I’m afraid that I’ll kill a man in order to protect my people.
                    1. Alexander Romanov
                      Alexander Romanov 27 September 2012 14: 49
                      +2
                      Quote: GEOKING95
                      ha ha ha
                      yes yes) of course

                      Quote: GEOKING95
                      no arguments)

                      Quote: GEOKING95
                      I thought object and good opponent

                      I’m objective, but in your posts objectivity does not smell.
                      Quote: GEOKING95
                      ) in the internet everything is cool
                      The Georgian army was convinced that not only in the internet, but also in battle
                      Quote: GEOKING95
                      I will give my life for them, as others will give! (

                      And surrendering, well, I was not surprised wink
                      Quote: GEOKING95
                      I’m afraid that I’ll kill a man in order to protect my

                      Don’t be afraid, you won’t kill anyone, when the Russian army comes you will drop the machine gun and run away laughing
                      Quote: GEOKING95
                      our president, we ourselves will hang 1 october for an egg)

                      See that he doesn’t hang you by the balls wassat he knows how to fight against unarmed
                2. Denzel13
                  Denzel13 27 September 2012 14: 56
                  +1
                  geoking95, I repeat once again, for those who are in an armored train, if you want to state your thoughts on a Russian-language site, please do it competently, since such a presentation in distorted Russian can be regarded as disrespect for our culture, and the thread of your thoughts can be understood only on the basis of from logic and some clear words.
                  As for the meaning of your "pearls", then you can say whatever you want - you just have to "tear your throat", once you got shit in the war. And the fact remains - once again you will stick your head in Ossetia or Abkhazia, the second time the troops will not stop.
                  1. Geokingxnumx
                    Geokingxnumx 27 September 2012 15: 13
                    0
                    Quote: Denzel13
                    geoking95, I repeat once again, for those who are in an armored train, if you want to state your thoughts on a Russian-language site, please do it competently, since such a presentation in distorted Russian can be regarded as disrespect for our culture, and the thread of your thoughts can be understood only on the basis of from logic and some clear words.

                    1) I began to write several Mesetsev in Russian
                    2) Well, I don’t know, I respect and love your culture and people too
                    Quote: Denzel13
                    But the fact remains that once again you go into Ossetia or Abkhazia, the second time the troops will not stop.

                    Ossetia North (yours) and South (ours)
                    everything can stop

                    Quote: Alexander Romanov
                    Alexander Romanov

                    live in a lying world) but you can’t hide the truth
                    oh yes, Babchenko is a veteran of two Chechen warriors, and he was a journalist for an Austoi warrior!
                    internet rimbo
                    1. Denzel13
                      Denzel13 27 September 2012 15: 16
                      +2
                      You think that they are "yours", those who live there do not think so.
                      1. Geokingxnumx
                        Geokingxnumx 27 September 2012 15: 20
                        -3
                        Quote: Denzel13
                        You think that they are "yours", those who live there do not think so.

                        and those who signal from)? to 300 000 people from Abkhazia and from the Tskhinvali region
                      2. Alexander Romanov
                        Alexander Romanov 27 September 2012 15: 25
                        +2
                        Quote: GEOKING95
                        ? up to 300 people from Abkhazia and from the Tskhinvali region

                        They drove and did the right thing; you’ll get into Ossetia and get rid of Tbilisi hi
                      3. Denzel13
                        Denzel13 27 September 2012 16: 49
                        +3
                        And there was nothing to periodically arrange massacres there. Maybe now we will start counting how many and where the Russians were expelled from the "former republics" (although usually they simply killed, who did not have time to take their feet)?
                    2. Alexander Romanov
                      Alexander Romanov 27 September 2012 15: 22
                      +2
                      Quote: GEOKING95
                      south (ours

                      Forget - ALWAYS !!!
                      Quote: GEOKING95
                      everything can stop

                      Well, dream, this is not forbidden, only when you surrender do not say that you were on this site laughing
                      Quote: GEOKING95
                      oh yes, Babchenko is a veteran of two Chechen warriors, and he was a journalist for an Austoi warrior!

                      A corrupt, lying journalist, like your president, who paid him money.
                      Quote: GEOKING95
                      internet rimbo

                      VAC, ACCA dear ACCA wassat
                    3. GP
                      GP 27 September 2012 19: 36
                      +2
                      Quote: GEOKING95
                      1) I began to write several Mesetsev in Russian
                      2) Well, I don’t know, I respect and love your culture and people too


                      You plus for the desire to study and understand.

                      To the debaters!
                      And it’s good to attack the only Georgian in our booth. As we are a product of modern Russia, so is he a product of modern Georgia; with all the consequences. Gamsakhurdia - Shevarnadze - Saakashvili ... One zviadist what he had just done in 1 year of his frenzied nationalism is a black spot in the history of Georgians.
                      1. Alexander Romanov
                        Alexander Romanov 28 September 2012 05: 49
                        +1
                        Quote: GP
                        And it’s good to attack the only Georgian in our booth. As we are a product of modern Russia, so is he a product of modern Georgia;

                        Let it not lie and that’s it. No one will attack. And hang noodles about how Russia attacked a poor, sleeping and defenseless Georgia, let it hang in Tbilisi.
                      2. Geokingxnumx
                        Geokingxnumx 28 September 2012 13: 56
                        0
                        Quote: Alexander Romanov
                        Let it not lie and that’s it. No one will attack. And hang noodles about how Russia attacked a poor, sleeping and defenseless Georgia, let it hang in Tbilisi.

                        and attack Tekhinval’s defenseless and lazy)? :)
                        I wrote what you need to read Babchenko, which he did not read and does not know what he wrote! and he says he is long
                        he did more for his country than you!
                  2. Odessa
                    Odessa 27 September 2012 16: 52
                    +2
                    Denzel13,
                    geoking95, I repeat once again, for those who are in an armored train, if you want to state your thoughts on a Russian-language site, please do it competently, since such a presentation in distorted Russian can be regarded as disrespect for our culture,

                    For Odessa citizens, an exception can be made?. And it also as it happens, as we hear and write. laughing
                    1. Denzel13
                      Denzel13 27 September 2012 17: 59
                      +2
                      Ester, of course, I am far from a philologist, but even with my meager knowledge in this industry I did not notice the tongue-tied tongue and incoherence of thought behind you. hi
                      1. Odessa
                        Odessa 27 September 2012 18: 01
                        +3
                        Denzel13,
                        but even with your meager knowledge in this industry I didn’t notice behind you tongue-tied tongue and incoherence of thought.

                        And this, but I swear obscenities for being healthy, and in many languages ​​of the world wassat
                      2. Alexander Romanov
                        Alexander Romanov 27 September 2012 18: 04
                        +2
                        Quote: Odessa
                        And this, but I swear obscenities

                        I confirm, and regularly wink
                      3. Denzel13
                        Denzel13 27 September 2012 18: 38
                        +2
                        Ester, a mat is often quite much more informative, and in some cases simply irreplaceable. wink
    4. thatupac
      thatupac 27 September 2012 08: 52
      +1
      Many are against the base, and they themselves do not want to serve in the Army for 1 year. In the Army - no, no, and discuss - always ready. Chatterboxes ...
    5. nycsson
      nycsson 27 September 2012 11: 04
      +1
      Quote: Yarbay
      -I'm here, what is interesting without a transshipment point in Ulyanovsk amers in Afghanistan will not be able to fight ???

      Well, before that they somehow fought! Moreover, infa has already passed that all NATO troops will be withdrawn before the 2014! On the contrary, we need to prevent this, but we decided to help! Where is the logic?
      1. Yarbay
        Yarbay 27 September 2012 11: 08
        +3
        Quote: nycsson
        Where is the logic?

        Everything is much simpler or much more complicated!)))))))))))
  3. genad2
    genad2 27 September 2012 07: 30
    +3
    Give a tax on wealth !!! am but we don’t need NATO!)
  4. Committee
    Committee 27 September 2012 07: 35
    +1
    Well listen, stop whining! What, it is better that our guys die there ?! And someone there still has to be. And excuse me for the "tolerance", these s ... will have to be kept in check, not amers, so we, besides, we are near (!)
    1. Alexander Romanov
      Alexander Romanov 27 September 2012 08: 27
      +7
      Quote: Committee
      Well listen, stop whining! What, is it better that our guys die there?

      And what, someone sends them there?
      Quote: Committee
      And someone should still be there.

      Why should anyone be there, any foreign military in Afghanistan is, first and foremost, an invader, let the Afghans understand themselves and decide how they should live.
      Quote: Committee
      And excuse me for the "tolerance", these s ... will have to be kept in check, not amers, so we, besides, we are near (!)

      Something I didn’t notice that the amers would keep them in check. They sit at their bases and do not stick out once again. Who is there and what is controlled by NATO poppy fields and heroin traffic.
      1. Odessa
        Odessa 27 September 2012 08: 34
        +2
        Alexander Romanov,
        Who is there and what is controlled by NATO poppy fields and heroin traffic.

        So I don’t catch up with why they need so much paper and paper clips that they even wanted a transit base in Russia. Why do you need this transshipment point for NATO supplies. Something is nonsense. negative
        1. Yarbay
          Yarbay 27 September 2012 08: 36
          +2
          Quote: Odessa
          So I don’t catch up with why they need so much paper and paper clips that they even wanted a transit base in Russia. Why do you need this transshipment point for the NATO supplies.

          All the same, it seems to me that for amers this has a symbolic meaning and for this they are ready to fork out !!
          1. Odessa
            Odessa 27 September 2012 08: 45
            0
            Yarbay,
            I still think that for amers it has a symbolic meaning

            I do not argue.
            and for this they’re ready to fork out !!

            Amers know how to conduct business. And they know well that they need to invest in business, that is, to invest, and then to make a profit. But they decided to rebuild under the warehouse. I don’t like this.
            1. Yarbay
              Yarbay 27 September 2012 09: 07
              0
              Quote: Odessa
              And they know well that they need to invest capital in a business, that is, to invest, and then make a profit, but they decided to rebuild under a warehouse.

              Clear !!
              and plus a lifestyle advertisement, they say, despite all sorts of crises, we rent from Russia !!
              1. Odessa
                Odessa 27 September 2012 09: 15
                +2
                Yarbay,
                plus lifestyle advertising

                So the United States succeeded in this. They have created whole marketing institutes that Russian merchants, or Oriental merchants, do not put a finger in their mouths, they chop off their elbows.
                they say, despite all sorts of crises, we rent from Russia !!

                The crisis is one-economic, they can get out of it, but at the expense of someone, or someone else's oil.
        2. Denzel13
          Denzel13 27 September 2012 14: 59
          +1
          Ester - they wrap opium in toilet paper and fix it with a paper clip - such is the form of packaging. laughing
          Although there is a suspicion that the contingent crap a lot.
          1. Odessa
            Odessa 27 September 2012 18: 08
            +1
            Denzel13,
            Although there is a suspicion that the contingent crap a lot.

            Here, there is nothing suspicious either, they have beaten the ears for many cantinas, only in Syria they have not been able to shit.
            1. Denzel13
              Denzel13 27 September 2012 18: 41
              +2
              The plane in Russia was detained - the contingent is in danger! wassat
  5. bask
    bask 27 September 2012 07: 35
    +2
    'THIS IS A DIVERSION AGAINST RUSSIA !!!!
  6. dmnatbor
    dmnatbor 27 September 2012 07: 43
    +2
    Well done Vladimir Vladimirovich. No wonder they chose.
    Does everything for the good his people.
  7. Oleg14774
    Oleg14774 27 September 2012 07: 49
    +4
    Amer in Afghanistan is not for conducting real hostilities, but for covering opium poppy plantations that go to Europe and Russia, and the Scandinavian countries. Norgi and Swedes cry from drugs. You know about Russia!
    1. thatupac
      thatupac 27 September 2012 08: 59
      0
      To the very point. Libya and Iraq were deceived by the United States for oil, and Afghanistan for drugs. This is clear to everyone. If the United States wanted to, the Taliban would no longer be in nature. And who then will amer do the drugs? Latinos from Latin America or what?
  8. volcano
    volcano 27 September 2012 07: 53
    +6
    Yes, in fact, it’s a TRANSIT OF GOODS ..... Egotak and it was necessary to serve the people ...... we simply carry goods, and if they themselves took it and blurted out that it was some sort of a NATO TRANSFER BASE, then why now be surprised that people reacted so
    1. FID
      FID 27 September 2012 08: 00
      +3
      As they used to say: "Your tongue is your enemy." It's always like this with us, they blurt out, and then they start making excuses!
    2. Yarbay
      Yarbay 27 September 2012 08: 02
      +2
      Quote: volkan

      Yes, in fact, it’s a TRANSIT OF GOODS ..... Egotak and it was necessary to serve the people ...... we simply carry goods, and if they themselves took it and blurted out that it was some sort of a NATO TRANSFER BASE, then why now be surprised that people reacted so

      You correctly noticed this !!
      We first have wars in Afghanistan in transit cargoes through our airport !!
      It is precisely TRANSIT OF GOODS !!!
  9. pav-pon1972
    pav-pon1972 27 September 2012 07: 57
    +1
    It is necessary to control this transit in full, with the involvement of public organizations (not Liberals, and not NGOs), and in which case, and shut down "Oxygen" ...
    1. Beck
      Beck 27 September 2012 09: 05
      +1
      After all, the article says that the containers are opened. And what a social activist-grandfather will understand in the markings in English.
      1. Yarbay
        Yarbay 27 September 2012 09: 37
        0
        Quote: Beck

        After all, the article says that the containers are opened

        This is ridiculous))) do not believe))))))))))
        this is for the removal of eyes !!))
        Why open them ??
        Extra expenses and waste of time !!
        1. Odessa
          Odessa 27 September 2012 10: 18
          +3
          Yarbay,
          Quote: Beck

          After all, the article says that the containers are opened

          This is ridiculous))) do not believe))))))))))
          this is for the removal of eyes !!))
          Why open them ??
          Extra expenses and waste of time !!

          Containers go sealed, or what?
          1. Yarbay
            Yarbay 27 September 2012 10: 25
            +3
            Quote: Odessa
            Containers go sealed, or what?

            Surely!
            I will never believe that amers will allow someone to open their containers, but they will do nothing more than that they will present in their documents for cargo and will not carry it !!
            Why do they need a scandal ??
            1. spender
              spender 27 September 2012 10: 29
              +3
              Quote: Yarbay
              I will never believe that amers will allow someone to open their containers, but they will do nothing more than that they will present in their documents for cargo and be unlucky !! Why do they need a scandal ??

              Alibek, hello! Modern technology allows you to "view" the contents of the container without opening it ... even in motion. In case of something interesting, the container can be opened and no one will ever know about it wink If there is something very interesting, then it may get lost ... They will write off the Russian sloppiness, drunkenness and theft hi
              1. Yarbay
                Yarbay 27 September 2012 10: 34
                +3
                Hello dear and priceless Alexey !!
                Quote: spender
                Modern technology allows you to "view" the contents of the container without opening it ... even in motion.

                I know!
                used the service))
                Quote: spender
                In the case of something interesting, the container can be opened and no one will ever know about it. If there is something very interesting, it may get lost ... They will write off Russian slovenliness, drunkenness and theft

                Yes there will be nothing interesting I assure you !!
                I think the question is participation !!
                1. spender
                  spender 27 September 2012 10: 38
                  +2
                  Quote: Yarbay
                  Hello dear and priceless Alexey !!

                  You flatter me, but still nice laughing hi
                  Quote: Yarbay
                  I know! Used the service))

                  Once I was accompanied, we were warned in front of the "skylight" that the distance was not less than 200 m, we were "behind" by half a kilometer, just in case, because we saw how the specialists were "dressed" ... winked
                  Quote: Yarbay
                  Yes there will be nothing interesting I assure you !! I think the question is participation !!

                  I also think that everything "interesting" in other ways is evacuated hi
                  1. Yarbay
                    Yarbay 27 September 2012 10: 59
                    +2
                    Quote: spender
                    I took part in an escort once, so we were warned before the "skylight" that the distance was not less than 200 m, we "lagged behind" by half a kilometer, just in case, because we saw how the specialists were "dressed".

                    I saw and used the results)))))))
              2. Odessa
                Odessa 27 September 2012 10: 44
                +2
                spender,
                Write off to the Russian sloppiness, drunkenness and theft

                It is unlikely that if it is NATO, then as a rule the cargo is insured. And who knows, maybe the terms of the agreement still include cargo escorts, etc. It depends on what the cargo is.
              3. Alexander Romanov
                Alexander Romanov 27 September 2012 11: 00
                +1
                Hi Lech, where did you disappear. Then they were about to file you on the wanted list yes
            2. Beck
              Beck 27 September 2012 10: 32
              0
              Well, let them not open it. But somehow they control it. At the customs of Madagascar control. And so that military supplies are not controlled, I think this is nonsense.
    2. Brother Sarych
      Brother Sarych 27 September 2012 10: 21
      0
      Nobody will give you anything to control - not for that the garden has become a city ...
  10. chistii20
    chistii20 27 September 2012 08: 04
    +3
    A similar article was already on the site. And I wrote and I repeat. And Brezhnev would turn over in a coffin if he knew about this
    1. gojesi
      gojesi 27 September 2012 08: 51
      +2
      Quote: chistii20
      L And Brezhnev would turn over in a coffin if he knew about this

      Brezhnev began to fight there ... if you remember ... the 78th of November, the month ... I remember well ...
  11. Septugian
    Septugian 27 September 2012 08: 08
    +1
    Finally, the hashik not badazhenny will appear! fellow
    1. gojesi
      gojesi 27 September 2012 08: 52
      +1
      Quote: Septugian
      hashik

      there it is called "charz"
    2. Septugian
      Septugian 27 September 2012 10: 08
      +2
      All so serious that they did not even understand the humor! recourse
  12. Beck
    Beck 27 September 2012 08: 45
    0
    The ordinary situation in international relations. One country asks another to lease the runway and two hangars for warehouses. Pays money for it.

    WHERE THE THREAT AND WHAT?

    The Russian leadership is taking this step not only because of rental money. Here is a distant political view. The United States, one way or another, is keeping the situation in Afghanistan under control. If the US leaves right now without strengthening local civilian power. Then the Taliban will come to power. Does Russia need this? The Taliban will spread its extremist ideology to sabotage and direct invasions in Central Asia. Does Russia need this? Then there will be a real threat to Russia from the south from the Taliban, and not from the United States. And Russia will have to strengthen troops in Tajikistan. And the Russian guys will have to die in battles with the Taliban. Does Russia need this?

    Russia, represented by the USSR, has already been burned once in Afghanistan. And I realized that it’s better to let some other troops establish order in Afghanistan, but not Russian troops.
    And Russia will help this by handling goods for US troops on its territory.

    WHERE THE THREAT AND WHAT?

    These are the goofs, who have not departed from the past propaganda fog of the USSR, everyone is goofing off.
    We are against everything and everything where the word of the USA is heard even in a whisper. Let the global flood, but only without the United States.

    And they won't look at history. But apart from the POLITICAL confrontation in the "Cold War", the more bloated USSR, Russia and the United States did not have any disagreements. Not within borders or territories. There was not a single direct clash. This is not China.
    1. Yarbay
      Yarbay 27 September 2012 09: 09
      +1
      Quote: Beck
      One country asks another to lease the runway and two hangars for warehouses.

      Hi Beck!
      How much is the US needed ??
      Without this base will disappear ??
      Quote: Beck
      And I realized that it’s better to let some other troops establish order in Afghanistan, but not Russian troops.

      Without this base, amers cannot fight ??
      1. Beck
        Beck 27 September 2012 10: 05
        0
        Yarba.

        Hi Dear. Of course, the United States can do without this base in Ulyanovsk. Deliver your goods in other ways. But probably, having calculated something, they decided through Russia better. They proposed their plan for Russia. The Russian government, too, calculated something. After all, they didn’t make a decision at random. They thought it was economically viable. Politically, too - it is better to let American troops suffer losses than then lay down their guys. So signed up.
        1. Yarbay
          Yarbay 27 September 2012 10: 14
          0
          Quote: Beck
          But probably, having calculated something, they decided through Russia better.

          Dear, let's not make each other laugh))))))))))))
          What could they calculate)))))))))) ????
          Quote: Beck
          They proposed their plan for Russia. The Russian government, too, calculated something

          Here I agree))))))))))))))))))))))))))
          Quote: Beck
          Politically, too - it is better to let American troops suffer losses than then lay down their guys.

          I agree only if Russia no longer worries about NATO bases in the world and agrees in every possible way to other countries to represent US bases!
          Quote: Beck
          So signed up.

          I see)))))))))))))
        2. nycsson
          nycsson 27 September 2012 11: 11
          -1
          Quote: Beck
          Politically, too - it is better to let American troops suffer losses than then lay down their guys. So signed up.

          What did you mean? They gathered their troops to withdraw to 14 year!
          1. Beck
            Beck 27 September 2012 11: 23
            +1
            Quote: nycsson
            What did you mean? They gathered their troops to withdraw to 14 year!


            Well, probably by the year 14, the United States expects that the local government will strengthen and will be able to rebuff the Taliban itself. How it was done in Iraq. Obama withdrew troops from there and now the Iraqi government itself, in one way or another, controls the situation in the country.

            I think that for Russia and Kazakhstan it will only be worse if the US troops do not strengthen the local government. Or spitting on everything will not go away today. Then you’ll have to spend a lot of things yourself.
    2. FID
      FID 27 September 2012 09: 33
      +4
      Quote: Beck
      But besides the POLITICAL confrontation in the "Cold War", there is more of a bloated USSR

      Let me disagree with you a little. The so-called "cold war" is not an invention of the USSR. In 1945 - note the date - W. Churchill ordered the preparation of a plan for war with the USSR. He announced the theses of this plan in Fulton. The term itself is the creation of Truman's advisor, B. Baruch. He voiced it in 1947. No need to shift it.
      1. Beck
        Beck 27 September 2012 10: 11
        0
        Quote: SSI
        The so-called "cold war" is not an invention of the USSR.


        I agree. There was a mutual, in those days, commotion was going on. But, in my opinion, when a country has the main slogan - "The victory of the commune is inevitable. (Within the whole world)." We will destroy the whole world of violence to the core ... "then the attitude towards such a country is wary. In addition, the USSR imposed power Communists throughout Eastern Europe, and that's where it started.
        1. FID
          FID 27 September 2012 10: 26
          +1
          Now all of Europe is shouting: "Down with capitalism!" We again somehow find ourselves on the sidelines, don’t you?
          1. Beck
            Beck 27 September 2012 10: 53
            +2
            SSI.

            Sorry. Here I disagree with you. Not "Down with capitalism" they ask. And to change the financial system of banks. This time.

            The second one. Who is asking? South of Europe. They wanted to live well, they chose governments that promised everything. Promises must be kept. 13-14 salaries, free or low-paid medicine, social welfare and more. Where is the money? So we went to international banks to take a loan. Everyone was fine. The time has come to repay the debt, but again there is no money. Everyone consumed, but really did not work, to save money and replenish the budget. Here is the crisis.

            Where they worked, regularly paid taxes, did not withhold incomes there is no crisis. It is the center and north of Europe. These countries are now paying the debts of the south.

            From your photograph, you know what the USSR is. Remember, and then such a picture was (no offense to the southerners, but it was). South of the USSR - Moldova, the Caucasus, Central Asia - who lived on a salary? Many lived, but many did not.

            And such a trend throughout the world. Developed North economy and not developed South. Only recently, China, India, Brazil began to rise.
            1. FID
              FID 27 September 2012 11: 20
              +2
              Do you believe in it, in a good job, etc.? Tell me a job where an ordinary person earns a million a day? No one refuses to pay taxes. It is not necessary to argue that the Spaniards and Greeks work poorly. These are battered tales about the working and the lazy. And who lives on credit is the richest country in the world. They have the largest debt, both internal and external, but consume and consume. Does this somehow fit into your reasoning?
              1. Beck
                Beck 27 September 2012 11: 39
                +1
                Quote: SSI
                Do you believe in it, in a good job, etc.? Tell me a job where an ordinary person earns a million a day?


                I believe in a good job. And what does a million have to do with it? In Germany, in Sweden, in Finland they work well and there are no ordinary millionaires there. There the waiter brings a check along with a cup of tea. Who would give such checks in the south. From here begins the payment of tax and not withholding income. In Greece, on an island of 1000 inhabitants, about 500 received support from the state for visual impairment. But the thing was that the local optometrist for bribes gave everyone certificates.

                What is external debt? Yes, some assets were bought by China. I don’t know how deadly it is for the USA. And internal debt is a debt to ourselves. At the request of the US government, the US Federal Reserve printed extra money. This is how the Central Bank of Russia at the request of the Russian government will print a bunch of rubles. It’s the same if you borrow money from your wife.

                And it consumes because it’s rich. 25 percent of the gross world product is the US economy. When Kazakhstan reaches 10% (of course it does not), then we will consume and consume.
                1. FID
                  FID 27 September 2012 11: 50
                  +2
                  Good luck to you. If I borrow money from my wife, then I will give it to her. And if the Central Bank of the Russian Federation prints money, then I will no longer have them, believe me.
                  1. Beck
                    Beck 27 September 2012 11: 54
                    0
                    FID

                    Dear, the allegory is also necessary to read. I meant that if you borrow money from your wife, then this money will remain at home, in the family budget.
                    1. FID
                      FID 27 September 2012 12: 41
                      +2
                      And here, if the Central Bank prints, they will settle in offshore, because the allegory also needs to be able to read!
                      1. Beck
                        Beck 27 September 2012 13: 04
                        -3
                        FID

                        The rubles printed by the Central Bank will not have time to settle in offshore. If they print as much as the United States printed, then instant inflation and death are inspired by the Russian economy.

                        To print money as much as you want, you need a powerful economy. The US has it, others do not.
                      2. Alexander Romanov
                        Alexander Romanov 27 September 2012 13: 07
                        +2
                        Quote: Beck

                        To print money as much as you want, you need a powerful economy. The US has it, others do not.

                        Beck, about a powerful economy is such a joke huh? America is a parasite, and stupid printing of money has nothing to do with the economy. Economists ask enlighten in detail hi
                      3. Beck
                        Beck 27 September 2012 13: 15
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                        Quote: Alexander Romanov
                        Beck, about a powerful economy is such a joke huh?


                        Dear, well, I can’t do that. By your logic, if Mongolia begins to print its Tugriks in unlimited quantities, then it will turn into a parasite and begin to consume anything it wants.

                        US economy 25% of the global economy. 25 from Europe, 25 from Japan, South Korea, China. The remaining 25% is the rest of the world. Of course, these figures are approximate, but within the statistics.
                      4. Alexander Romanov
                        Alexander Romanov 27 September 2012 16: 39
                        +3
                        Quote: Beck
                        By your logic, if Mongolia begins to print its Tugriks in unlimited quantities, then it will turn into a parasite and begin to consume anything it wants.

                        Only if Tugriks will be world currency. Remember the scandal not long ago with the Fed, they didn’t even print it, but simply entered the necessary amount in the computer and that’s it.
                        Quote: Beck
                        US economy 25% of the global economy.

                        Quote: Beck
                        Of course, these figures are approximate, but within the statistics

                        I agree, the figures are approximate, but one thing, but the US economy is 80% financial sector, just financial services and all !!!
                      5. Beck
                        Beck 27 September 2012 17: 04
                        0
                        Quote: Alexander Romanov
                        I agree, the figures are approximate, but one thing, but the US economy is 80% financial sector, just financial services and all !!!


                        Respected. Whether we personally want this or not, the economies of individual countries are globalizing. Almost all global brands are multinational companies and corporations.

                        And if you look closely, you can clearly see that North America, Europe, Japan, South Korea have become the design bureaus of the world. Here science develops and on its basis new technologies are developed. And already the production of products based on these technologies is transferred to China, India, Brazil, etc. And it is mutually beneficial here. Corporations reduce the cost of production. The population of those countries where production is taken receive wages, and the countries themselves are an incentive for their further development.

                        And the world now is such that it is technology and computer programs that are of the greatest value. (Of course, it is strange for us that what cannot be supported in your hands, a computer program, costs millions of dollars). The world is moving forward.
                      6. Alexander Romanov
                        Alexander Romanov 27 September 2012 17: 59
                        +3
                        Quote: Beck
                        . And already the production of products based on these technologies is transferred to China, India, Brazil, etc. And it is mutually beneficial here. Corporations reduce the cost of production.

                        It is beneficial to individuals, but not to the economies of the countries from which production was withdrawn.
                        Quote: Beck
                        The population of those countries where production is taken receive wages, and the countries themselves are an incentive for their further development.

                        And what does the country receive from which production-unemployment and a sharp reduction in taxes to the treasury get.
                        Quote: Beck

                        And the world now is such that it is technology and computer programs that are most valuable

                        Excuse me, but your phone or notebook from which you go to the site, where is it made?
                        Quote: Beck
                        The world is moving forward.

                        Surprise, but the world is moving into the abyss !!! And the American economy is the locomotive of this movement hi
                      7. Beck
                        Beck 27 September 2012 18: 18
                        0
                        Romanov.

                        1. Beneficial to individuals. Well, this is an axiom of trade. Benefit is an incentive to the engine of economic progress - the merchants. But if there were no benefits for the buyers, then merchants would not have arisen.

                        2. And the people of those countries from which the production was taken out and are engaged mainly in science, technology, and experimental development. One GOUGOL how many billions brings to the treasury of the USA. In developed countries, strategic production remains - the defense industry, astronautics, etc.

                        3. When buying a computer and phone sellers claimed to be a company. But most likely in China or Thailand made. But they are developed in the company Apple or Nokia.

                        4. I am not a pessimist. The human mind has the instincts of self-preservation and forward movement. Over the horizon. To find out drier and drier. And in the carrier determine the essential.
                      8. Alexander Romanov
                        Alexander Romanov 28 September 2012 06: 06
                        +1
                        Quote: Beck
                        Beneficial to individuals. Well, this is an axiom of trade.

                        The axiom of trade is the creation of jobs and promising industries within your country, and what you call the axiom is the outflow of capital.
                        Quote: Beck
                        Benefit is an incentive to the engine of economic progress - the merchants.

                        And that is probably why China, in which all American production has been withdrawn, is striding by leaps and bounds, and the United States, which brought its production there for the benefit of individuals, is forced to borrow money, so that it would not go out of business with China.
                        Quote: Beck
                        But if there were no benefits for the buyers, then the merchants would not have arisen.

                        The immediate benefits of individuals are not merchants, and the consumer in the United States is becoming smaller due to his greedy merchants.
                        Quote: Beck

                        2. And the people of those countries from which the production was taken out and are engaged mainly in science, technology, and experimental development.

                        And these developments will be released again in China, and how many people are employed in the USA in this area if the majority of graduates of US universities cannot find work?
                        Quote: Beck
                        One GOUGOL how many billions brings to the treasury of the USA. In developed countries, strategic production remains - the defense industry, astronautics, etc.

                        And how much did the treasury lose from tax evasion after the withdrawal of production?
                        Quote: Beck
                        In developed countries, strategic production remains - the defense industry, astronautics, etc.

                        It is difficult to call the United States a developed country, rather buried in debt. The country is bankrupt and this is a fact.
                        Quote: Beck
                        But they are developed in the company Apple or Nokia

                        But the point is that soon China will flood all the ambitions with its copies. All production in the hands of China and China will ultimately dictate the conditions.
                        Quote: Beck
                        The human mind has the instincts of self-preservation and forward movement. Over the horizon. To find out drier and drier. And in the carrier determine the essential

                        In this case, there is an economic abyss beyond the horizon and it is not necessary to go there to understand this.
  13. understudy
    understudy 27 September 2012 08: 48
    +2
    In any situation (economic, political, scientific research ...) the amers are not fooled to do on our land.
    As for the "apparatus" ... Serdyukov also has an "apparatus". So what?
  14. AIvanA
    AIvanA 27 September 2012 09: 22
    +1
    Oh, the head of state is cunning at the expense of peace on the southern borders if the NATO transport point is in Russia, but launching sworn partners to our land, it seems to me a bust, especially after all kinds of statements by American politicians and activists.
  15. Lyokha79
    Lyokha79 27 September 2012 09: 24
    +1
    Good day. Why is there such a fuss over this transit point? Everyone, for some reason, has forgotten that NATO cargo has long been moving through our country by rail. There will be a transit point in Ulyanovsk - not nice, but not fatal. Moreover, it is beneficial for us that the amers stay in Afghanistan as long as possible. Heroin, with them, has become more - I agree, but if they leave, will there really be less drugs? When the coalition troops leave all this rubbish - the Taliban, Alkaida, will begin to creep into the territories of the former Soviet republics, and then to us, then we will laugh. And then this transit point can be used as a lever of pressure on NATO. And you can trust someone, and Dmitry Rogozin, a man who was not seen in sympathy for NATO and America. And since he said that neither military cargo nor the military itself will be in Ulyanovsk, it means that it is.
    1. Brother Sarych
      Brother Sarych 27 September 2012 10: 19
      +4
      What is the lever of pressure on NATO? This is a lever of pressure on Russia!
      1. nycsson
        nycsson 27 September 2012 11: 14
        0
        Quote: Brother Sarich
        This is a lever of pressure on Russia!

        Compromising does its dirty deeds! This is all from the same opera as the cancellation of supplies of C-300 to Iran and helicopters to Syria! Caved, as always, nowhere below ... am
  16. nycsson
    nycsson 27 September 2012 11: 00
    +1
    Who would doubt that!!! I have no words! And I remember how a couple of months ago Urzul and Co. with foam at the mouth proved that it was all garbage and there would be no transshipment point !!! am
  17. afire
    afire 27 September 2012 11: 05
    +3
    LLCOhhh
    Well, in general, it doesn’t matter to me what this transfer point is called,
    I am against any help from NatE.
    They climbed into this boiler themselves - well, let them cook in it themselves ...
    1. Kyrgyz
      Kyrgyz 27 September 2012 11: 26
      +1
      Quote: afire
      They climbed into this boiler themselves - well, let them cook in it themselves ...

      While they are boiling there we can’t solve anything with the Afghans, and the narcotics will go unhindered to Russia, with the US leaving there is hope for stabilization of at least some decisive power there, most likely of course it will be the Taliban, but the Taliban will solve the issue, yes and if they have power there, they will have something to lose, and if they have something to lose, then talking with them will be easier
  18. Kyrgyz
    Kyrgyz 27 September 2012 11: 21
    +1
    It seems that a more expensive but reliable item is needed just not for toilet paper, but for what it usually doesn’t reach, so toilet paper most likely will continue to go through Pakistan, and lethal and dangerous goods will go north.
    In general, the indignation of many is incomprehensible, the details of the deal are unknown but it is clear that there will be no NATO troops in Russia, the United States must leave Afghanistan because their presence there doesn’t carry us any order, the gamble obviously has failed again and we need to remove them from there and solve the drug problem by interacting with the Afghans themselves, so what is the point of putting sticks in their wheels?
  19. bask
    bask 27 September 2012 12: 33
    -2
    In the first since 1941, an enemy, a foot, or a wheel from an airplane, will touch our land. Before taking the same decision, the country's leadership would not hurt to hold a referendum on the subject matter. And do the peoples in Russia agree to deploy a NATO transit bosom. I I think 99% answered categorically NO !! ! Russia is not a banana republic in order to deploy NATO bases, albeit transit ones, on its territory.
    1. wax
      wax 27 September 2012 13: 38
      0
      This is our base, not the base of NATO.
  20. wax
    wax 27 September 2012 13: 36
    +2
    Partially at the expense of others, we are reanimating and developing a powerful transit transport complex in the center of the country, but we do not have such flows yet, but they may occur at X hour. At the same time, we will train to pass such large flows of cargo in real conditions. We need this more. Putin - well done! Everything's under control. Flexible and powerful policy in the interests of the state. Do you think Americans really want this? You are mistaken. But they also have no choice. The skill of a statesman is to use all the opportunities for development.
  21. SlavakharitonoV
    SlavakharitonoV 27 September 2012 14: 49
    +1
    Right now, hug and strangle. wassat
    1. dictionary12
      dictionary12 27 September 2012 18: 56
      +1
      In general, the whole story with the base is muddy ... request
  22. taseka
    taseka 27 September 2012 15: 52
    +2
    Give me a finger - then the shark will bite off his hand from the letters !!! On parity and why, our base in Texas is for the transit of the "Siberian cone!"
  23. bask
    bask 27 September 2012 19: 41
    0
    You’ll probably have Vax in the place of GUTALIN’s brains. Why is it Russia and that NATO will be playing in containers. There will be no customs at the airport. That the containers will be the most fraudulent espionage equipment is a fact. Yoshi Obama allowed something like that in the USA. He would have ,, torn eggs ,, in a place with giblets !!!
  24. GP
    GP 27 September 2012 19: 53
    +1
    The composition of the "coalition" troops in Afghanistan on the wiki (others are too lazy to search):
    Australia - 1
    Austria - 3
    Azerbaijan - 94
    Albania - 333
    Armenia - 126
    Bahrain - 95
    Belgium - 524
    Bulgaria - 561
    Bosnia and Herzegovina - 59
    UK - 9 500
    Hungary - 339
    Denmark - 676
    Germany - 4 701
    Greece - 112
    Georgia - 800
    Canada - 950
    Jordan - 0
    Ireland - 7
    Iceland - 6
    Spain - 1
    Italy - 3 986
    Latvia - 175
    Lithuania - 237
    Luxembourg - 10
    Macedonia - 177
    Malaysia - 46
    Mongolia - 102
    Netherlands - 500
    Norway - 515
    New Zealand - 152
    UAE - 35
    Poland - 2
    Portugal - 155
    Romania - 1 800
    El Salvador - 24
    Singapore - 39
    Slovakia - 330
    Slovenia - 79
    USA - 90 000
    Tonga - 55
    Turkey - 1
    Ukraine - 23
    Finland - 177
    France - 3
    Croatia - 278
    Montenegro - 39
    Czech Republic - 529
    Sweden - 500
    Estonia - 153
    South Korea - 350

    Amer will leave the sea through Pakistan. But the Poles, Germans, French and others like them through Ulyanovsk. Interstate transit agreements have long been concluded with some. These NATO members are the main client of our transport workers (railway, air).
    1. Geokingxnumx
      Geokingxnumx 27 September 2012 21: 05
      +1
      Quote: GP
      Georgia - 800

      already 1700 crying
    2. taseka
      taseka 28 September 2012 15: 44
      0
      Upset Ukraine!
  25. bask
    bask 27 September 2012 20: 21
    0
    Lack of customs inspection, there is a violation of the sovereignty of the country. But for the Germans, the French, and so on ... What the amers say, they will do it. They were on the territory of these countries. Secret prisons of the CIA. The CIA will not miss the opportunity from such a “freebie”, Equip in Russia. The possibilities of modern intelligence. ... the equipment is practically ,, limitless ,,
  26. Gromila555
    Gromila555 29 September 2012 02: 22
    0
    At one time they were friends with Hitler, while receiving solid benefits, so ....