Russian Aerospace Forces shot down four Ukrainian Su-27 fighters near Zhytomyr

The photo is illustrative

The Russian Aerospace Forces conducted an air battle in the Zhytomyr region, shooting down four Ukrainian fighters at once. This was reported in the Ministry of Defense.

As explained in the military department, Russian fighters shot down four Su-27s of the Ukrainian Air Force in the air, an air battle took place in the Zhytomyr region, no details are given. The anti-aircraft systems of the Russian troops also worked perfectly, landing a Ukrainian Su-25 attack aircraft, one helicopter and one Bayraktar TB2 strike drone. The military did not disclose where it happened and other details.

In an air battle in the Zhytomyr region, four Su-27 aircraft of the Armed Forces of Ukraine were shot down and one Su-25 was shot down by air defense systems in the Nizhyn region. Also, the air defense forces destroyed the Mi-8 helicopter of the Ukrainian Air Force and the Bayraktar TB2 unmanned aerial vehicle.

- declared Konashenkov.

Zhytomyr itself is still under the control of the Armed Forces of Ukraine, today the Russian Armed Forces attacked the warehouses of the Ukrainian army, located just under this city weapons long range. According to reports, Javelin and NLAW anti-tank missile systems were stored in the destroyed warehouse.

The Ministry of Defense of Ukraine cites its own data, judging by them, the Russian army has already lost almost all of its equipment and will soon begin to retreat. According to Ukrainian data, during all the days of the operation, the Russian Armed Forces lost: 39 aircraft, 40 helicopters, 269 tanks, 945 infantry fighting vehicles and armored personnel carriers, 105 guns, 19 air defense systems, 50 MLRS, 2 ships and 3 UAVs.

Unfortunately, we cannot yet tell about all our successes, so as not to disrupt our plans. But believe me, in due time everything will be known

- said the General Staff of the Armed Forces of Ukraine.

Comments

[gansales]

Where did they come from?
Although there was infa that there a grouping of the All-Union Bandera refused to obey Kiev .. Like we are on our own

[Sailor]

I hope not from the airfields of the "partners", otherwise VV promised to punish the members.

[Russian]

Yes, very strange. It seems that more than once they said that the Air Force and airfields of Ukraine were destroyed.
Whoever has not seen it, I strongly advise you to watch Kedmi's speech, he said it very competently, even Solovyov stood silently

[Clear]

Quote: р_у_с_с_к_и_й

Yes, very strange. It seems that more than once they said that the Air Force and airfields of Ukraine were destroyed.
Whoever has not seen it, I strongly advise you to watch Kedmi's speech, he said it very competently, even Solovyov stood silently

Nieto officially from the Russian Ministry of Defense did not say that all airfields in Ukraine were destroyed ... but, he said how many were damaged.

[Russian]

Yes, I probably made a mistake, in western Ukraine I still think there is definitely something left. But in any case, it is strange that they allowed to rise into the air

[Sanguinius]

I'll tell you even more ... they continue to plant our birds, today in Chernigov our Su-30SM was shot down, the pilots ejected, but one was shot by the Ukrainians, and the second was taken prisoner.

[Paranoid50]

Quote: Sanguinius

I'll tell you even more.

My tongue is my enemy, yeah. And then the whining is heard on the topic "why me, I'm nothing ..." Or has responsibility not yet come by age? Oh, those stupid, stupid kids...

[Russian]

Losses there I feel will be hoo + th! If they also go to the western part

[Sanguinius]

And no one said that it would be an easy ride for us, it was clear from the very beginning, although not everyone understands this, or does not want to understand.

[flicker]

Losses there I feel will be hoo + th! If they also go to the western part

What place do you feel like?

[Russian]

If only according to official statistics there are already more than 500 people there, and we are not part of the city, count for yourself

[flicker]

"75% of the military potential of the Armed Forces of Ukraine has been destroyed."

The most combat-ready units were in the east of Ukraine. The western regions, seeing what is happening with the eastern ones, will not even resist. Since, in case of resistance, they will be ironed to the fullest.

[GREG68]

Good paper. The main thing is not to install

[Slap]

I saw a video where the Mi-35 was shot down and another fighter. They say Su-34. The fuselage is similar to the Su-27 line.

[Lykases1]

Mi 35 and Su 34 fighters today?

[Slap]

Unparalleled in the world

[Rusticolus]

I saw a video where the Mi-35 was shot down and another fighter. They say Su-34

Another stupid bastard.
No, of course, I admit that a helicopter can shoot down a fighter, purely by chance. True, the 34th is a bomber. (Khokhlobot does not know this) But what would only one. And by the way, where did the Ukrainians get the Mi35e from? Did they do it themselves?
I'm laughing out loud at the stupidity of these idiots who post fakes.

[Slap]

You apparently have Ukrainians so deep in your head that they seem to you everywhere. Do they pay you rent for the places they occupy in your head?
Or will you deny the fact that the Mi-24/35 was shot down from the MANPADS and that the Su-30SM crashed and that the Su-34 fell, scattering its FABs everywhere? Or maybe 3 more pilots were not captured. Ah yes, I forgot they are not there, and I am a khokhlobot.

[kytx]

The network analyzed in detail these photos with fab500 bombs. Fake, and stupid, even for Ukraine.

[Slap]

I saw pictures and videos about the FAB 500. From the video it seemed that the Su-34 was shot down and when it crashed the bombs scattered and did not explode. What is fake?

[kytx]

The fact is that a cast iron bomb, after arriving in concrete, must have external damage.
And in general, driving su34 with fabs is a bad idea

[Slap]

Unfortunately, there are several videos from your media, Zvezda or whatever, showing the Su-24 and Su-34 with Fabvmi. It seems to me that there is too much hope for SVP-24 and analogues. I talked with military experts from some countries and many have resentment about fabs on the Su-34. It's fighting with one arm behind your back.

[kytx]

Anything can be shown on the star, even the death star

[Mordvin 3]

Quote: Rusticolus

I'm laughing out loud at the stupidity of these idiots who post fakes.

You expose your stupidity less.

[Cananecat]

Quote: Sanguinius

I'll tell you even more ...

You’re lying, in the above pictures the uniform is not of our pilots, but of the times of the Union ... when you spread fakes, you can’t even make them reliably

[Sanguinius]

In your judgments about my belonging to Ukraine, you were mistaken.
Yeah, yeah, "the form is not ours", but what is this? It seems to me that you turn on a fool who is afraid to admit the unfortunate fact that today we lost a good pilot, and his colleague was captured by Ukrainians, and you kick everything into fakes, and you can’t refute the words, except your verbiage. Although you are not aware that the tenth day of the operation is underway, and the Ministry of Defense is reporting to us about gaining air supremacy, and in parallel, publishes data on the LOSSES of the Ukrainian Air Force ... a paradox!

[Repellent]

Quote: Sanguinius

the Ministry of Defense reports to us about gaining air supremacy, and in parallel, publishes data on the LOSSES of the Ukrainian Air Force ... a paradox!

No paradox. Dominance in the air does not negate the fact that the enemy has some kind of aircraft.

[Sanguinius]

Let me disagree with you ... air supremacy is achieved by achieving a qualitative and quantitative advantage in the air and by destroying enemy fighter aircraft and air defense, since the Ukrainian Air Force is still functioning, it turns out, there is not yet this very superiority.

[Repellent]

Quote: Sanguinius

Let me disagree with you ...

Ugh ...

[Alemax]

Yes. It is hard to communicate with our denazified brothers. For 30 years of Nazi propaganda, their brains have been turned inside out a little ..
))))
I, below, also offer to accept fake-throwing guano for evidence.

[Jager]

In 45, ours and our allies reigned supreme in the air. What did thousands of bombers in the rear and hundreds of attack aircraft on the front line, and there were losses from enemy aircraft.

[GRANATE-19]

If there is no enemy in the air, then there is no one to surpass. And your free interpretation is only your opinion. Or did you graduate from the General Staff Academy and have an hourly report from the fronts!? Then I'm sorry...

[Pilat2009]

Quote: Sanguinius

air supremacy is achieved by achieving a qualitative and quantitative advantage in the air and by destroying enemy fighter aircraft and air defense

You are wrong. In 1941, the Germans dominated the air, which did not prevent them from suffering losses, and our aircraft from striking at Berlin. You will not claim that they destroyed all Soviet aircraft?

[Zefr]

"Supremacy in the air" means that aviation fulfills all the goals set. In this case, battles can go on, just as in the case of ground operations, "complete tactical superiority" does not mean the absence of battles

[Alemax]

today in Chernigov our Su-30SM was shot down

Yes Yes Yes! How do I remember.
"..only in the last 30 hours, a brave Ukrainian pilot shot down with his own hand six Russian fighters .." (quote Brekhunoff from the Armed Forces of Ukraine ..
How was it about bags that are harder to toss?
Although, I'm already beginning to doubt this saying. Because to carry such nonsense ... it’s really necessary to have a tongue with a gimlet and not be shy.

[Vadim237]

Unfortunately, the loss of the Su 30SM near Chernigov is true.

[Alemax]

Can I link to the Ministry of Defense of the Russian Federation?

[Cosm22]

It would be possible if the Ministry of Defense of the Russian Federation would at least say a word about this case.
But you can give another link. On the video with documentary footage of the interrogation of Major Krasnoyartsev. By the way, in the above group photo, he is second from the right. Is it really hard to even go to YouTube?
There is also a second video of his interrogation.

[Sanguinius]

It's all useless, the howl will start again in the spirit of "it's all fake, I don't believe it, MO didn't say anything, which means it didn't happen"
Although it was possible to think logically, at least about WHAT MO in the person of Konashenkov, summing up the results of the first day of the operation, what did he say? “There are no losses,” he said, but in fact, videos of our three turntables shot down were already circulating on the network, there were also reports of our plane being shot down / crashed.

[Sanguinius]

Excuse me, are you telling me this?
If yes, then I think you misunderstood me.

[Vista401]

No, not to you. And to the one who asks for a link to the MO to confirm the losses.

[Alemax]

Did I state somewhere that our Armed Forces do not suffer losses?
The Ministry of Defense voices them. If not quantitatively, then qualitatively. There are other reliable sources as well. In particular, yesterday, the LDNR military reported the death of the commander of Sparta, Guards Colonel Vladimir Zhoga.
I asked them to give me an ADEQUATE source of information, the Ministry of Defense or close to the Ministry of Defense that the Su-30 point was shot down yesterday.

[kventinasd]

Quote: Vadim237

Unfortunately, the loss of the Su 30SM near Chernigov is true.

Su30 was shot down near Nikolaev, and Su34 was shot down near Chernigov. One pilot unfortunately died, three were captured. I won’t post the video here, who needs it, he will find it, even in the You Tube already.

[kytx]

Where did the third and fourth crew members come from in su34? And so very convincing, especially without proofs

[kventinasd]

Two pilots with SU30 and one with SU34.

[kytx]

Back to front it's the other way around. In su30 one pilot in 34 two. Well, you have your own atmosphere and mathematics there too

[kventinasd]

Is your internet broken? There are also two pilots in the Su30

[aslan balaev]

Quote: Sanguinius

I'll tell you even more ... they continue to plant our birds, today in Chernigov our Su-30SM was shot down, the pilots ejected, but one was shot by the Ukrainians, and the second was taken prisoner.

They write a lot. But there is no need to spread a frank fake here.

[Sanguinius]

None of you present here has yet proved that this news and the video material that wanders on the same Youtube is a fake. Just one gossip.
You don’t think, I’m not trying to somehow denigrate someone, our authorities or the Defense Ministry, or I don’t distribute game about 6 downed planes by Ukrainians. But ignoring obvious facts, hiding behind the word "fake", is stupid.

[Dilettante grandfather]

Where is the evidence that this is true? Cartoons are a good thing, but until there is official confirmation, this information cannot be considered reliable.

[Sanguinius]

In part, you are right, this is unofficial data, and you can say whatever you want. BUT of course you will not be told anything about them separately. And finally, about cartoons, this is the whole point, you will prove that THIS event is a CARTOON.
I am ready to admit that this event is a fake, only after relevant evidence. In the meantime, you are guided only by what your faith tells you.

[Dilettante grandfather]

For me, any videos on the Internet are cartoons. In fact, any film is an animated film. And to prove something is the destiny of those who post videos / posts / news. There are official data, and there is unverified information. There is no third, you understand?

[Sanguinius]

There is a third, these are just those "omissions" about losses from official sources, although I understand why this is being done.
Well, how do you comment on the words of the user of this site, below? Under Fitter65's nickname, with his albeit harsh and unfair words addressed to me, he confirmed one thing, then that I was right.

[Dilettante grandfather]

It's easy to comment. The comrade wrote, but also did not provide any evidence, alas. I fully admit that he wrote the truth, but, again, until it is proven, these are just words. Do you understand? The bottom line is the evidence. I'm not going to accuse anyone of something, I'm just saying that there is a fact, but there is unconfirmed information that cannot be trusted without looking back.

[Sanguinius]

Well, whatever. I have already realized that it is useless to talk about such topics here, I will not write more like this. For all blindly follow their faith.

[Dilettante grandfather]

It's not about faith, it's about evidence.

[Fitter65]

Well, what can I say, if you don’t understand Russian, learn Chechen, Chechens for 200 have grown together with Russians, we are one people, and we have one country. which we have defended, are defending and will continue to defend. Only you forgot about the Karelians, Buryats, Evenks, Nanais and more than 150 nationalities and nationalities who quietly and without advertising extinguish racist nationalists in Ukraine.

[Fitter65]

Quote: Sanguinius

I'll tell you even more ... they continue to plant our birds, today in Chernigov our Su-30SM was shot down, the pilots ejected, but one was shot by the Ukrainians, and the second was taken prisoner.

Yes, you are lucky. this second classmate of my daughter. Therefore, you definitely need to wet the creatures, like the last freaks. And we will soak you ochkuyte !!!!!! You will answer unambiguously for Vovka. You are already crawling and afraid to fart, and then it will be worse for you. There was no need to piss off the bear.

[Sanguinius]

You are a funny character, you won’t say anything ... you undertake to judge a person without knowing anything about him. I'm tired of repeating like you... I've NEVER BEEN in Ukraine, and just like the rest, I SUPPORT the operation that our country launched against Ukraine. But this does not mean that I will be in a patriotic frenzy like you, joyfully clapping my hands.
What to do, apparently THINK, this is not about you, alas.
Yes, and YOU personally are unlikely to kill anyone, enough of these slogans, real guys who serve in the RF Armed Forces are now shedding their blood there in Ukraine, and you are such a stupid balabolka!

[Fitter65]

Quote: Sanguinius

You are a funny character, do not say anything ...

Debilushka. I'm not in a patriotic frenzy, this is my point of view. Yes, real guys serve, but thanks to the fact that I served 32 before, they kill such reptiles. And it's you stupid couch balabolka. I really served, and I really hurt my heart that I'm 57, and not 30 like Alexei., To be honest, at first I thought it was Vovka, and this is his older brother. Vovka returned to base. We are watching our own. And about what I could and still can, it's not for you to judge the balabolnaya stupidity.

[Sanguinius]

Eiii? Well, I also served, so what? Should I bow before you?
Before you write anything and insult and blame someone without any reason, first think with your head, and then sit down to type at the keyboard. Emotions, emotions, but sometimes you have to turn your head on.
And yes ... that's about what I judge or not. Apply these words to yourself to begin with, otherwise you will classify me as a Bandera and call me a creature. What is this anyway!?

[Fitter65]

The worst thing is that these creatures killed one pilot in the air, and the pilot who was captured was Lyosha, Vovka's older brother, they are the weather, they served in the same regiment. They are very similar, I drove them both from the entrance as a child. But the meanest thing is these, Bandera people who, through all Lyoshkin’s connections, sent text messages like we’ll kill everyone, she came to my nephew, it turns out he was talking. Thought to intimidate? Yep now...

[Sanguinius]

I sincerely sympathize with the families and friends of the deceased pilot, and the families of the captured pilot, and with all my heart I wish him to return to us in Russia, and I really hope that this operation will end as soon as possible.

[flicker]

condolences to family and friends

And it must be added that Bandera and Ukronatsiks were destroyed to one and all.
How do you support the destruction of all ukronatsiks to one?

[Sanguinius]

Well, since I support a special operation against Ukrainians, what do you think? Of course yes. But it won’t work for everyone, some of them will run away or run away to Europe

[Fitter65]

Quote: Fitter65

The worst thing is that these creatures killed one pilot in the air,

That's just the news from 404 was shown ALIVE, BOTH PILOT ALIVE. Nothing more is needed, except for the capitulation of the American colony, the Russian flag over the ancient Russian city of Kiev, and the mention of the word Bandera only in the past tense. what Stalin did not complete, our children will complete

[sustav75]

Uryakals continue to minus people, not even for fakes! The uryakols still have no losses. After all, the bitter truth must also be known. Strange things...

[Lettp]

Guys, who knows, please explain. These videos are in the Chernigov cart, with the SU-34 pilot. Krasnoyarsk? Explain, these are the videos that the Ukrainians upload with the interrogation of our prisoners. Is this behavior normal? is this an unofficial instruction in case of capture? I understand that those who send them to the south are not shown. But to call a unit, a commander - is that normal? phone on a sortie?!?!? Yesterday, I fell into a slump from a major, an officer of the Russian Federation - so I'm still a little out of my mind. I just want to understand.

[MMX]

Quote: Ltetp

Guys, who knows, please explain. These videos are in the Chernigov cart, with the SU-34 pilot. Krasnoyarsk? Explain, these are the videos that the Ukrainians upload with the interrogation of our prisoners. Is this behavior normal? is this an unofficial instruction in case of capture?

Instruct.

[Lettp]

Thanks! I hope so

[Bratkov Oleg]

Some highways were originally conceived as reserve, field airfields.

[tihonmarine]

Quote: р_у_с_с_к_и_й

But in any case, it is strange that they allowed to rise into the air

Gave rise and shot down. They would have sat in the huts and would have remained alive.

[alexey alexeyev_2]

And Khinshtein’s eyes seemed to start running. The cat knows whose msiao he ate. Cowardly There must be an estate in France

[Kapral Alphych]

I've been saying the same thing all my life! I'm glad that it appeared on TV screens! I hope it will reach our authorities that in the West they will always be of no use to anyone! At most, as long as they can shit in Russia, they will still be tolerated! But as soon as such "comrades" are no longer needed, at best they will simply be forgotten, and most likely they will be finished.

[Borik]

And where could the "partners" get the SU-27 from? Although it was mentioned here how one flew over the hill to the SU, and here they write about four. And if we discard all the misunderstandings with these planes, no matter where they take off from, a quite serious air battle took place in which ours won without their losses. Glory to our VKS and ARMY.

[Airdefence_107]

The Armed Forces of Ukraine had their own 20 combat-ready Su-27s and 40 combat-ready MiG-29s. And according to the Pentagon, a smaller part of the combat-ready combat aircraft of Ukraine (including bombers and attack aircraft) has been destroyed so far. So they took off after all from Ukraine.

[Konnick]

So they took off after all from Ukraine.

On the forum they write in Russian - you have to write "from Ukraine".

[flicker]

And where could the "partners" get the SU-27

But from where:

Judging by the publication on Facebook, the Ukrainian Air Force, which lost all the aircraft during the operation to demilitarize and denazify Ukraine, carried out by the Russian Armed Forces, is being revived again. Bulgaria, Poland and Slovakia are transferring 70 combat aircraft to Ukraine.

[aslan balaev]

Everyone has already turned them down.

[flicker]

It's officially denied. The US officially has nothing to do with it either. And not officially could well be transferred.

[Repellent]

Quote: flicker

It's officially denied. And not officially they could well transfer

The story with the "transfer of aircraft to the Armed Forces of Ukraine" was last week, you apparently missed it. It started with a cartoon launched by someone from Ukraine, then all three governments, allegedly "transferring" planes, yelled in unison "I'm innocent! And I'm not passing anything on to anyone."

Here somewhere they wrote where the planes could come from:
1. Overtaken before Caliber landed at the main airfield.
2. From storage, it turns out that there are such in the west of Ukraine.

[Dikson]

Yesterday, Yandex Crappy claimed that eight Polish repainted aircraft had already been transferred to Western Ukraine .. - and they kind of expressed some concern that the pilots there were psheks .. Today, this "news" is no longer in the Yandex feed ..

[flicker]

you must have missed

Apparently, a little later I saw that neither Bulgaria, Poland, nor Slovakia had the SU-27.

[pytar]

Quote: flicker

And where could the "partners" get the SU-27

But from where:

Judging by the publication on Facebook, the Ukrainian Air Force, which lost all the aircraft during the operation to demilitarize and denazify Ukraine, carried out by the Russian Armed Forces, is being revived again. Bulgaria, Poland and Slovakia are transferring 70 combat aircraft to Ukraine.

Can you tell if the countries you indicated have ever had a Su-27? At least one even! And about 70-alala, the purest fake.

[flicker]

Can you tell if the countries you indicated have ever had a Su-27?

I agree, I mentioned it above.

[gansales]

Quote: Sailor

I hope not from the airfields of the "partners", otherwise VV promised to punish the members.

I hope .. Many of these countries have already abandoned their words, but they cannot be trusted Andrey.

[ZEMCH]

Quote: Sailor

I hope not from the airfields of the "partners", otherwise VV promised to punish the members.

Almost all civilian airfields are intact, the same Boryspil, for example, was left for the evacuation of foreigners))) They promised the Turks a corridor, etc. From all these airfields you can take off and land

[dnestr74]

Since Soviet times, Ukraine has had luxurious military airfields with anti-missile bunkers.

[Vavilov]

quite right, on the border of Mukachevo chop Uzhhorod

[NIKN]

Quote from gansales

Where did they come from?

From storage, re-mothballing and restoring airworthiness is not too difficult a task. They didn’t touch the storage bases, but all the aviation from the USSR is stored there, spare parts from the same place were restored, apparently not quite according to the regulations. But who is watching there now .. Restoring the strip if it is not regularly put out of action is also not a problem. According to the standards there, if the FAB 500 strip is damaged, something less than 6 hours for recovery in order to be able to operate front-line aircraft. There are many Rembaz there, one in Lvov.

[Lt. Air Force stock]

Quote: NIKNN

The storage databases did not fail.

Didn't they hit the storage bases?

[NIKN]

It seems that only for airfields, for "scrap metal" there was not much point. It was not possible to restore them in peacetime, because according to the regulations you cannot restore them, because. spare parts must be normal with a period of permitted operation, and now who will look at it, from the same (from the storage base) other aircraft are removed and put in what regulations they have now.

[Bratkov Oleg]

Right there, on this site, they took a base with 4.500 tons of ammunition, and a bunch of equipment. It seems like the office and a couple of barracks were ripped apart by pinpoint strikes, well, it seems to me that way from the description, but the equipment remained

[S_Baykala]

A priori, there cannot be pilots among the Bandera people: the cockpit does not allow jumping.

[Terenin]

we still can't talk about all our successes

[Cotton Colorado]

Quote: Terenin

we still can't talk about all our successes

I see, guys, shut up and wet!
We will wait.

Whose guys did you wish this for?
The General Staff of the Armed Forces of Ukraine spoke out about the successes

[Terenin]

Quote: Cotton Colorado

Quote: Terenin

we still can't talk about all our successes

I see, guys, shut up and wet!
We will wait.

Whose guys did you wish this for?
The General Staff of the Armed Forces of Ukraine spoke out about the successes

Oh, how can you be pissed off.
No, I'm talking about ours. APU shnye gn.dy didn’t fucking give up on me.

[Cotton Colorado]

Quote: Terenin

Quote: Cotton Colorado

Quote: Terenin

we still can't talk about all our successes

I see, guys, shut up and wet!
We will wait.

Whose guys did you wish this for?
The General Staff of the Armed Forces of Ukraine spoke out about the successes

Oh, how can you be pissed off.
No, I'm talking about ours. APU shnye gn.dy didn’t fucking give up on me.

And the old woman is proruha

[Terenin]

Quote: Cotton Colorado

Quote: Terenin

Quote: Cotton Colorado

Quote: Terenin

we still can't talk about all our successes

I see, guys, shut up and wet!
We will wait.

Whose guys did you wish this for?
The General Staff of the Armed Forces of Ukraine spoke out about the successes

Oh, how can you be pissed off.
No, I'm talking about ours. APU shnye gn.dy didn’t fucking give up on me.

And the old woman is proruha

This is exactly

[texneker]

APU shnye gn.dy didn’t fucking give up on me.

Well, very evil ... And so, they are fed, dressed, examined by a doctor in places of detention, a call home and then a free bus with air conditioning, as it was with Zmiin, it’s just a pleasure to watch !!!
Stalin and Beria, rattling bones in coffins ... the descendants became, so democratic and understanding, all the hardships of serving in Ukraine with the Kiev supreme commander-buffoon, in this internal war with Nazism and total armed banditry.

[Seryoga64]

Quote from gansales

Where did they come from?

[burigaz2010]

Hello Vitaly, is this the most interesting thing about the destroyed ships?

[isv000]

Quote from gansales

Where did they come from?
Although there was infa that there a grouping of the All-Union Bandera refused to obey Kiev .. Like we are on our own

The lads hid before the time, they decided that it had come - but in vain ...

[g1v2]

The planes that survived the strikes of the first days on airfields were relocated to others - closer to the west. Plus private airfields and apparently civilian ones. They do not represent any serious force and cannot influence the course of the database, but they will try to inflict damage. There weren't many of them anyway, and now they're just crumbs. Yes, and without the material and technical base of native airfields, again, they will not fight much. In general, these are one-time departures for them.
You also need to understand that although the unified air defense system of Ukraine has been destroyed, there are still enough air defense systems there. 51 divisions is about 300 srk if roughly. Beeches. s300, s200, s125. Destroyed and captured from them - in the region of 60. That is, most of the air defense systems are hiding somewhere. Our VKS are looking for and destroying them, but until they are active, it is difficult to find them. Again, there is no unified air defense system and they cannot cover their objects, but they can inflict damage completely.

[Dikson]

in principle, it’s nothing complicated, to fill up the ASG funnel and throw a couple of concrete slabs from the top of the taxiway - that’s how the runway was restored .. Ours are not constantly nailing these airfields .. and the destruction from a single rocket strike can be restored in a day without straining ..

[Mountain shooter]

Quote from gansales

Where did they come from?

It doesn’t matter where from ... They won’t take off anymore ...

[Maz]

Gavrikas arrived. Washed their guys competently

[Mister X]

A clear fake was published yesterday by the Ministry of Defense of Ukraine
Russian Air Force?!
Hello! Already 7 years as VKS
You would also write the Russian Imperial Air Force

Look at the photo of the parachute, who is in the subject.
What kind of model, and to which state can it belong?

[Sanguinius]

Do not write nonsense ... on the sides of our aircraft, as they applied the "Russian Air Force", they still do it, since the Russian Air Force is a GENERAL OF TROOPS, consisting of a TYPE OF TROOPS of the Russian Aerospace Forces. There is no fake in this.

[Mister X]

Quote: Sanguinius

and on the sides of our aircraft, as they applied the "Russian Air Force", they do

A frame from the official video of the Ministry of Defense of the Russian Federation.
In addition to the star - nothing more is applied on board

[Sanguinius]

Pay attention to the tail, and from your bad screenshot you can see that the Mi-24 has inscriptions on the tail

[Mister X]

Quote: Sanguinius

Pay attention to the tail

We can exchange screenshots until autumn
Source https://structure.mil.ru/structure/forces/vks/news/more.htm?id=12412198@egNews

[Sanguinius]

Well, look for yourself what you threw me))) on the Tail of the Ka-52, pay attention to what is printed above the letter Z, on the tail))
They proved everything to themselves)

[Mister X]

Quote: Sanguinius

They proved everything to themselves)

Now for the 3rd answer.
I turned to a knowledgeable person for advice.
There are hundreds of his articles on VO. You must have read some of them.
He does not welcome what is happening in Ukraine.
Here is his reply dated March 7th:
Believe it or not.

[Sanguinius]

And here he is right, our MO also does not tell the truth, at least partially
I just don’t see the point of the dispute, because everything is obvious to me, our aviation suffers losses there too, and this is a fact. See this picture, most likely with the Mi-28N turntable, the Mi-28 does not have an ejection system, the crew fires off the blades and the cockpit door before leaving the car in an emergency and jumps out of the turntable themselves, respectively, only one parachute system is visible here.

[Mister X]

Quote: Sanguinius

on the Tail of the Ka-52, note what is written above the letter Z, on the tail))
They proved everything to themselves)

VKS is written, isn't it?

[Sanguinius]

I see, I'm sorry I didn't see it. Maybe you are right about this picture. BUT there are many photos with turntables that have the Air Force on their tails, perhaps the markings have not yet been changed for everyone. Maybe it's even Mi-24, not Mi28

[Mister X]

Quote: Sanguinius

maybe not all labels have been changed yet

According to this photo, they may have played in a graphic editor
People had comments on shadows, refraction, and other design nuances.
We have been spoiled with fakes for a long time:
then they will show us a fire from Turkey,
then the girl in the Syrian hospital is crying,
then again a fire, already in the warehouse of Boshirov and Petrov
All this allegedly in Ukraine.

[Mister X]

Quote: Sanguinius

BUT there are many pictures with turntables that have the Air Force on their tails

Pictured are 2 other cars
Frame from the video of the Russian Ministry of Defense today at 8:37

[Mister X]

Quote: Bongo

,

What can you say about the car and the parachute?

[Sanguinius]

in my opinion, this is the Mi-28N, our parachute system and nothing else, but whose else could it be on the other side?

[Irokez]

Camouflage works if they are still flying.

[2я19]

I'll knock on wood so as not to jinx it!

[polpot]

To hell in hell of work to be added

[rusich]

They lowered a ukrovoyak from heaven. work brothers

[Pete mitchell]

Work brothers, and come back everyone...
Honor and praise to those who did the job to the end.

[Thrifty]

Actually, having superiority in the air, we must work to pre-empt, seek out from the air, and destroy the remnants of Ukrainian aircraft on the ground!

[dnestr74]

If the fighters are in the bunker, fuck you take it.

[meandr51]

What is he, how is the ICBM packaged? There are concrete bombs.

[dnestr74]

There is ... But this is already concrete work on each caponier-caponiers at the airfield, about 10-15 pieces, but they were with elevators for more than one plane, they were preparing for a nuclear war.

[2я19]

But isn't this the first case of losing the 27th in an air battle?

[akarfoxhound]

No, not the first. Text from 3 March:
Today, among seven other servicemen, a military pilot was awarded the title of Hero of Russia.
Read the lines from the view.

This is not a cartoon "ghost of Kyiv", this is a real Russian fighter!

(photo of the hero on the Internet, just a terrible photoshop, so for now only text)

"The navigator of the fighter aviation regiment, Major Viktor Dudin, has been fulfilling the tasks of denazification and demilitarization of Ukraine since the first day of the special military operation.

He made his first flight on the morning of 24 February. During combat patrols to cover the advancing group of troops, he discovered a Su-27 fighter of the Ukrainian armed forces. Skillfully performing an air maneuver, Viktor Dudin destroyed an enemy aircraft from the first approach in a duel battle, preventing a strike on our troops.

Two days later, the Russian aviator was tasked with hitting the Buk-M1 mobile anti-aircraft missile systems of the Ukrainian armed forces. The complexity of the task was the presence of an active enemy air defense system in the patrol area. Skillfully applying the combat experience gained, Viktor Dudin boldly and decisively approached the area of ​​operation of the Ukrainian air defense systems. At an extremely low altitude of 400 m, having identified itself in the enemy's radar field, the aircraft of the Russian air force entered the target area. After turning on the Ukrainian Buk-M1 installation, Viktor Dudin instantly hit it with a rocket, while leaving the zone of destruction of other air defense systems.

On February 28, Major Dudin, as part of a pair of fighters, flew to intercept two Ukrainian Su-27 aircraft that were approaching to deliver an air strike. At an altitude of 10 thousand meters, skillfully performing a maneuver and taking an advantageous position, Viktor Dudin, demonstrating the highest skill, hit the enemy with the first rocket. Then a pair of Russian fighters, finding the second outgoing aircraft, hit it with crossfire.

On March 1, while carrying out combat patrols to control airspace after detecting a Ukrainian Su-27 fighter, using the effect of surprise, he destroyed an air target with the first missile launch ... "
rg.ru

[2я19]

Very good, even wonderful!

[vindigo]

ABOUT! Ukrainians, as always, were mistaken. The ghost of Kyiv is fighting in Russian aviation ..

[tralflot1832]

Ukrainian dryers flew out on a "free hunt" who will hurt them. NATO? Who knows that the NVD is hanging by Poland and Romania from NATO.

[Santa Fe]

The wreckage of a downed Su-27 over Ochakovo.
A beautiful bird ... was

Our specialists are already having an educational conversation with the Ukrainian pilot. Not yet on Scopolamine

[dmmyak40]

Apparently, he made an emergency landing: the plane was almost intact, burned on the ground, almost did not collapse.

[A009]

This is a video of the Ukrainian military and, allegedly, of a downed Russian pilot.

[Petio]

This is a Russian pilot from the Su-34 shot down today

[Santa Fe]

This is a Russian pilot from the Su-34 shot down today

You probably made a mistake. The wreckage may belong to the Su-25 attack aircraft

Su-34 is a bomber, it does not operate at low altitudes. The Nazis couldn't get him with their stingers

[Slap]

I do not agree. There are some videos of the Su-34 flying at low altitudes.

[dnestr74]

Yes, there was a video and not one, where 34 go low, as I understand it, because of sleeping beeches and s-300

[Petio]

We must use our strength to suppress large air defense missiles up to Buk on and climb 4-6000 meters. Otherwise, there will be more losses. Today we flew low and the Armed Forces of Ukraine began to massively use MANPADS. Although not Stingeri mostly but Needle

[dnestr74]

The pilots will be returned, those who interrogated will be destroyed.

[Liam]

4 more helicopters today. Confirmed. With video and photos.
Lend-lease...Stingers..

[Ivan is not indifferent]

a link to a photo confirming the loss of helicopters

[Cotton Colorado]

Quote: Liam

4 more helicopters today. Confirmed. With video and photos.
Lend-lease...Stingers..

Whose four helicopters? Can you specific?

Quote: Liam

The Internet is full. They won’t let them through right there. Censorship, s ... here, only bonnets in the air

Really? Or maybe you’ll get under the article?

[Repellent]

Quote: Wadded Colorado

Really? Or maybe you’ll get under the article?

Chel trolls, and you are being led. It lives in Italy, as far as I know, and the article is on its side.

[Cotton Colorado]

Quote: Repellent

Quote: Wadded Colorado

Really? Or maybe you’ll get under the article?

Chel trolls, and you are being led. It lives in Italy, as far as I know, and the article is on its side.

Grandma said for two! Today on the side, and tomorrow it may turn out to be at the bucket.
From prison and from the bag do not promise!

[dnestr74]

We will close the border for you soon - and pinda land lens

[Grits]

Quote: dnestr74

We will close the border for you soon - and pinda land lens

But this border will have to be closed by the same planes. Which can be knocked down by the same stingers. The circle is closed.

[Flooding]

Quote: Liam

4 more helicopters today. Confirmed. With video and photos.
Lend-lease...Stingers..

February paycheck soon?

[not 1]

over ochakovy su 25 shot down and not su 30

[Okolotochny]

When will the glorious Italian and Moldovan Air Forces enter the battle and not be disgraced?

[Garris199]

What knocked them down? BEECH?

[Liam]

Stinger.

https://youtu.be/5IgoMxN-pEA

[Repellent]

Quote: Liam

Stinger

What's with the helicopter? And some left helicopter...

Take your time, be careful, be careful

[kig]

Quote: Repellent

And some left helicopter...

What's on the left side of it?

[kig]

In general, the video, in my opinion, of course, is a little strange.
1. It is not clear where the film was taken from: a flying helicopter is even slightly below the shooting point. A hill, a tree, some kind of tower?
2. Absolutely no sound.
3. Why is there only one helicopter? I think there should be at least a couple
4. The camera traces the path of the helicopter's fall, but there is no natural sound in this case, such as "!!....??...."

[Force]

Delete the photo of the pilot out of harm's way ....
(you can find a video on the Internet, you will understand everything)

[flint]

It's funny that Ukrainians bring these photos about our supposedly shot down pilot over Chernigov

[Ivan is not indifferent]

The photos are not related. On the top, a Su-30 from the Crimea is on fire, on the bottom, a member of the Su-34 crew who survived after an ejection near Chernigov

[Grits]

Quote: Ivan the Indifferent

on the bottom - a member of the Su-34 crew who survived after an ejection near Chernigov

Although according to our bravura reports, Chernigov is already practically in the rear of our advancing troops. Where did the Ukrainian military, who captured the pilot, come from then? Or do we just drive on the roads, and leave everything else behind us along with the military?

[Sanguinius]

This is our pilot, not Ukrainian.

[ssergey1978]

If the dogfight really was very interesting details. What vehicles opposed SU27 at what distance.

[bober1982]

Quote: ssergey1978

interesting details. What vehicles opposed the SU27 at what distance.

Su-30
Ours haven’t hit Ozerny yet, so the Su-27 these remained, but in vain they raise, there is no chance.

[Saboteur_Navy]

The bastards from the APU beat our prisoners, mock, the APU is not an army, but a gang!
I hope they get caught and punished!

[Stone]

Ukraine, apparently, is a terrorist state, like ISIS. Therefore, it is time to rename the special operation to CTO.

[Third district]

According to Ukrainian data, during all the days of the operation, the Russian Armed Forces lost: 39 aircraft, 40 helicopters, 269 tanks, 945 infantry fighting vehicles and armored personnel carriers, 105 guns, 19 air defense systems, 50 MLRS, 2 ships and 3 UAVs.

As the song says: "Dreamer! You called me ..."

[vindigo]

All the same, the losses will be tangible. The enemy is not hand-assed Arabs. I wonder what kind of ships the Ukrainians are talking about, at least from fakes. Are they aiming at Moscow?

[Fitter65]

The Russian Aerospace Forces conducted an air battle in the Zhytomyr region, shooting down four Ukrainian fighters at once. This was reported in the Ministry of Defense.

Yes, it’s like a maestro. We won’t hit on takeoff ..... How the landing gear removed the takeoff is over ... Well, there’s like urine .... yes, urine itself. Damn, can I shoot him from a cannon? have a conscience here and so we are standing in line to shoot down a yellow-Blakit one ... Negotiations between Russian pilots and KDP.

[K-50]

Also, the Air Defense Forces destroyed the Mi-8 helicopter of the Ukrainian Air Force

"Mishka" was shot down near Mariupol in the morning. The bodies of two pilots and ten right-wingers were found in the wreckage. Apparently they were trying to escape. The information was from the DNR.

[NSV]

Whom to believe?!?!? Then our entire Ukrainian aviation was besieged, now it turns out that they don’t?! The potheads, who now have neither aviation nor air defense, report that our planes are shot down every day ....

[Sailor]

Well, MANPADS were brought wild, unfortunately there will be trouble. And about every day they say, it's like in a joke about a pensioner: "and you say"

[donavi49]

Well, today Su-34 w / n 24 was shot down, one was killed, the second was captured and there is a video, it’s pretty tough there (they call the family and promise to send it in parts).
The Su-30SM of the Navy also fell - the pilots in captivity are both in characteristic orange overalls, that is, it is definitely the Su-30 of the Navy, and not the Su-27 or Su-34.

There is also a video with two more (one pilot, the second on a hill, the operator is visible in the cargo compartment) and one dead + Mi-24/35 on fire and characteristic Russian defense shields with call signs. During interrogation, they say that they flew to rescue the crew (seen on the Su-30 or Su-34).

In general, today for aviation it is actually a black Saturday because 3 aircraft - 100% lost, numerous photo and video evidence + dead and prisoners.

[Liam]

At this rate, the VKS will remain without aviation in a week. There were enough Stingers for this ....

[donavi49]

In fact, the losses are moderate. Again - 2 Ka-52s (the crews were evacuated), 1 Mi24/35 (the crew died) which fell into the Kiev Sea in the video, 1 Mi-35M (unknown from the crew) - which fell on the outskirts and burned down (GSh-23L + ball OLS), several Su-25SMs (2 exactly according to the tail numbers and registration, 1 is also possible, but there is also the possibility of a fake if desired, because there are much fewer materials from it) and in general, everything from the confirmed is real.

Today, it actually fell like for all 9 days.

[Liam]

Quote: donavi49

losses are moderate

Keep in mind that this is only what fell on Ukrainian territory and is documented. What fell on the territory of the troops of the Russian Federation-MO naturally will not be shared with you.

A burst of losses is instantaneous in almost different places, which means the saturation of the troops with Stingers. This is no longer episodic use, but massive. It will only get worse. A few days of such losses and aircraft will have to be landed. ends. We must think what will happen later, how the country will be defended for at least the next decade

[donavi49]

Well, the Stingers generally get by. MANPADS are still a weapon against impudence and more helicopters. Climbing a minimum of up to 4,5-5 km and serious blows. Yes, less efficient and targeted, but you can live relatively safely.

[Liam]

Quote: donavi49

Climbing a minimum of up to 4,5-5 km

This is money down the drain and not bombing. You will soon see this.

[donavi49]

Well, I don’t know at all how the Defense Ministry is going to storm cities in 1,5-2 Grozny with about a million people. Actually, without the capture of Kyiv / Kharkov / Dnipro / Zaporozhye - no one will sign the surrender. In the same Kyiv, today, according to the KMDA (city administration), 2,8 million and a bunch of troops from various pulled out tactical groups, to the defense, MTR, GUR and other airmobiles. The most experienced mechanized brigade in the Armed Forces of Ukraine is sitting in Kharkov - 92nd mechanized brigade, and it was re-armed with everything ready from the KhTZ (they transferred the BMP-2 batch, T-64, as well as all sorts of exotic things like the experienced Kevlar BMP) + Natsiks + Freikorps (also Natsiks) + very strong Terodefense with serious weapons.

That is, the assault must be done in a serious, systematic way and the city is literally in ruins.

[Liam]

Just like I was going to defeat a country of 40 million people in a couple of days with 5 scattered groups without an elbow connection between them, numbering 150.000 people on a front of 2 km. Moreover, a detailed plan of this brilliant idea has been walking around all Western tabloids since January, and the respectable community on VO merrily laughed at his debility throughout February.

What will happen to any of these groups if the Ukrainians strike? Who will help? According to the Americans operational
there are no more Russian reserves around Ukraine. Everything is thrown into battle

[76SSSR]

Chechako... Are you somehow, at least superficially, related to the armed forces, excuse me?

[76SSSR]

Quote: Liam

According to the Americans

Uchi-way... I have a direct desire to pat you on the head according to your age...)

[76SSSR]

And in general, the Nazi trash on this resource is somehow inappropriate, by golly ... Yes, all the more sofa-applied. Although, I don’t even want to comment on this, because the person is not even a military man. What kind of wars are we talking about...

[dnestr74]

I wonder what reserves the Ukrainians will strike from?

[Liam]

Quote: dnestr74

I wonder what reserves the Ukrainians will strike from?

This probably passed by your attention ... but on the very first day in Ukraine, a partial mobilization of 100.000 reservists was announced. These are 20 brigades or so.

And in the east of the country, so far only the pre-war personnel army and the territorial defense are fighting.

[Repellent]

Quote: Liam

a partial mobilization of 100.000 reservists was announced. These are 20 brigades

Yeah. Peshestrelkovykh.

[Alexey G]

Your glorious reserves are fleeing to Poland! I saw vids about it!

[dnestr74]

Who went through combat coordination?

[Liam]

They do exactly this. And they learn to shoot from Javel nov / Stingers and everything else that comes under lend-lease in unlimited quantities.
Do not forget that the war in Ukraine is already 8 years old and they have hundreds of thousands of reservists with combat experience

[Repellent]

Quote: Liam

learn to shoot from Javel nov / Stingers and everything else that goes on lend-lease in unlimited quantities

According to "lend-lease" there is a rifle, ATGM and MANPADS. Techniques - zero to zero and a vegetable along. Artillery - similarly.

It will be very interesting to see the hundred thousandth on foot army

[Flooding]

Quote: Liam

And they learn to shoot from Javel nov / Stingers and everything else that goes on lend-lease in unlimited quantities

stop using the term "lend-lease"
weapons are sent for free, as long as it shoots at Russians
so this word is not applicable in this situation
although someone really wants to draw a parallel

[Alexey G]

The data of the Americans is not worth a penny after their escape from Afghanistan! And it's not for you to judge our reserves! You are an analyst!

[Alexey G]

What? who believes in US intelligence???

[Paranoid50]

Quote: Liam

Ukraine is no more. Everything is thrown into battle

That's it, the slut can be demolished. It will only get more boring.

[Repellent]

Quote: Paranoid50

That's it, you can take down the slipper

Well, why, people really delivers. Again, such a career: from motherfuckers to pasta, it's cool!

I would leave, purely for the collection ...

[Airdefence_107]

I doubt that the Armed Forces of Ukraine have the strength to work in large spaces. Deprived of the main warehouses, fuel. They are retreating even in the Donbass, where they have the largest concentration. In fact, they are driven into the cities. So there is no threat to these groups. There is a threat of being drawn into lengthy battles in cities that have not yet been occupied.

[Liam]

Quote: Airdefence_107

Deprived of the main warehouses, fuel.

Do you understand the meaning of the word Lend-Lease and the volume of everything that is now being supplied from the West to Ukraine? These are hundreds of planes, thousands of trucks and dozens of trains every day with everything you need. The Armed Forces of Ukraine now have such a supply that the Russian army has never even dreamed of.

Quote: Airdefence_107

there is no threat to these groups

The hopes of young men feed ...
I see the Russians refuse to understand what kind of trap they have climbed into and what scale the catastrophe is brewing

[Repellent]

Quote: Liam

Do you understand the meaning of the word Lend-Lease and the volume of everything that is now being supplied from the West to Ukraine? This hundreds of aircraft, thousands of trucks and dozens of trains every day with everything you need

Yeah. The poet's soul could not bear it, and the brain ... turned sour.

Hundreds of planes - this is already a clinic

[Uncle Vanya Susanin]

Just like I was going to defeat a 40 millionth country in a couple of days

In a couple of days, why not in a couple of minutes???
How can you believe in such nonsense???

[MMX]

What blow, sickly? Centralized command has already been lost. The strongest troops in the cauldron sit up to their ears. Complete lack of initiative and maneuver.
And this despite the fact that ours absolutely do not have numerical superiority ...

[Freedom in 0]

There is no task to deliver a counterstrike. This can be seen from the maps and the situation itself ... well, if you really know it.
Yes, don't touch them. You, crucifying as they lose, only hinder the cause.
Let them boil in their own juice.

[Wildcat]

without the capture of Kyiv / Kharkov / Dnieper / Zaporozhye - no one will sign the surrender

and with the capture will be? Is not a fact.

Well, I don’t know at all how the Defense Ministry is going to storm cities in 1,5-2 Grozny with about a million people.

and where to get infantry for this? If I understand correctly, today Putin congratulated women on the "advancing" and said that there were enough troops and there would be no mobilization, even volunteers for the military registration and enlistment office "not needed yet, but thank you" (something like that)? And without "boots on the ground", how to catch these same "20 brigades out of 100 people"?

And how to supply all this with vehicles and how to maintain communications?

[Repellent]

Quote: Wildcat

And without "boots on the ground", how to catch these same "20 brigades out of 100 people"?

This is how rumors are born.

The only source of information about these "teams" is someone Liam, a local troll creature originally from Moldova, now living in Italy (Liam, I'm not mistaken)? The natural question is - and these "brigades" generally have, or they are not?

[Wildcat]

The only source of information about these "teams" is a certain Liam

- and it is not clear what is happening to them, if they exist. That's why I "pick" them. Collect 100000 people. probably, you can call them brigades, probably you can too.
It is possible, probably, even according to Liam's recipe, to play "strike / counterstrike" with these brigades - it will be epic, and that's it.

But the question "about the goals and objectives" of the operation is unclear and, IMHO, since time works for the enemy, it is necessary to launch the "Abramovich plan" or still increase the "boots on the ground". Otherwise, groups armed with portable weapons will continue to "hang next to the army" with grave consequences.

I no longer write about the question - how, having taken a conditional Kyiv, several million people should be fed every day.

And another very difficult question, Liam "increases" it a little, but potentially this is serious. As long as Lend Lease is a wearable weapon, it creates losses, serious losses, but not fatal ones. The army can still put more on the battlefield.
But if lend-lease moves from guns to tanks, aircraft and other heavy equipment, then there will be a huge risk.

So either the "plan named after Abramovich" or an increase in troops. Everything else, IMHO, is harmful and the enemy can take the initiative.

[Repellent]

Quote: Wildcat

So either the "plan named after Abramovich" ...

Hmm... sorry, but what is this? Or who?

[Wildcat]

You see, Abramovich, wanting to leave this mortal piece of land “without any problems at all”, not only found out that he is Portuguese, but also is going to sell Chelsea, somewhere for 2,2 yards. And all this money is going to be thrown into Ukraine.

So for us, if it comes to this, it would be nice to "sell something unnecessary" and escort it to Bankovaya Street ... they say, "you have goods - we have a merchant."

[Repellent]

Quote: Wildcat

going to sell Chelsea, somewhere for 2,2 yards. And all this money is going to be thrown into Ukraine

Hm... well, they'll plunder them there, don't go to a fortune-teller. But I got the idea.

Quote: Wildcat

if lend-lease moves from guns to tanks, aircraft and other heavy equipment

IMHO is unlikely. Either Soviet equipment is needed (and where to get it in sufficient quantities), or you will have to train "troops", for which there may simply not be enough time.

Therefore, IMHO, "brigades" (if any) are conceived as the core of future "partisans". No more.

[vindigo]

I would take a systematic siege, cut off electricity and water. Residents of Kyiv will bring their warriors on a silver platter. Gradually would cut off the areas. He drummed up the found firing points and warehouses.

[Alexey G]

Are you lying Liam or what's your name? Do not bark to us here about our aviation! The war is not what you think it is! And to death! And your thong won't help you! We will rip off and fuck all your Bandera people in all places !!!

[Tuzik]

Yes, Alexei, to death, to the delight of the Anglo-Saxons and the rest of the non-Russians

[Alexey G]

No, Andrey, do not stand, but fight to the death and not for joy, but for the fear of the Anglo-Saxons, who must understand that Russia has such interests that the Saxons can no longer meddle in, otherwise we will pinch their nose so much that it will not seem enough! And most importantly, they should understand the degree of our determination and focus, which cannot be stopped by sanctions or losses!!!

[Alexey G]

And where are our patriots, that I was so given to minus these demons of darkness!

[Okolotochny]

Rejoice further. When will your gentlemen the Italian Air Force appear?

[Dali]

Quote: donavi49

In general, today for aviation it is actually a black Saturday because 3 aircraft - 100% lost, numerous photo and video evidence + dead and prisoners.

Whose numerous photos and videos? ... now there are hundreds of false ones for one real fact ...

[donavi49]

Both planes and a helicopter + interrogations of pilots + photos and videos of the scene.

According to the Su-34, there is a video of how it falls and ejects. According to the Su-30SM, the crash site + search and interrogation of the pilots where they call themselves, military unit (Saki), according to the Mi-24/35 - photo, photo of helmets with call signs, interrogation of the pilot and rescuer + photo of the deceased and docks.

[Dali]

Quote: donavi49

Both planes and a helicopter + interrogations of pilots + photos and videos of the scene.

The photos you cited do not say anything ... there are already enough revelations like such photos on the Internet. And your words are just words ... who does gr. work for?

[donavi49]

And what about 4 Su-27s from the news besides words? If photos and videos mean nothing to you?

[Dali]

Quote: donavi49

And what about 4 Su-27s from the news besides words? If photos and videos mean nothing to you?

Those. do you need our pilots to take selfies during the battle?!
The brain does not work at all, gr.donafy?

[donavi49]

Well, so Konashenkov can declare the Death Star, but they were busy destroying it, so they didn’t film it.

And yet, any plane is regarded by the locals as "Like damned *******" and they will take pictures of it from all angles and also stuff the pilot's face, make him shout "Glory to Ukraine", etc. And only then, will they find out that it is their own. This is exactly what happened with the Mi-24V, Su-25 and Su-27 helicopters of the Ukrainian Air Force, as well as numerous columns. Including the National Guard near Kiev on KAMAZ, which the theoretic defense chopped, burned, kicked the bodies, and then the unpleasant truth came out.

I am guided by the fact that there is a photo / video.

[Dali]

Quote: donavi49

And yet, any plane is regarded by the locals as "Like damned *******" and they will take pictures of it from all angles and also stuff the pilot's face, make him shout "Glory to Ukraine", etc. And only then, will they find out that it is their own. This is exactly what happened with the Mi-24V, Su-25 and Su-27 helicopters of the Ukrainian Air Force.

Quote: donavi49

I am guided by the fact that there is a photo / video.

In the photo of Svidomo, judging by the answer? On the Banderlog photoshops?

Duck, I also focus on photo-video, and so far I see photo-video toads !!!

[Force]

I am guided by the fact that there is a photo / video.

So do I.
But the weather in that area today was filthy along the way, they could not be seen corny from the ground.

[Dali]

Quote: donavi49

I am guided by the fact that there is a photo / video.

For example, I focus on videos such as, for example, in this article:
https://topwar.ru/193120-rossijskie-vojska-vzjali-pod-kontrol-bazu-vsu-s-bronetehnikoj-i-tysjachami-tonn-boepripasov.html

Can you imagine something like that?!

[donavi49]

If you watch the video from Izvestia and Zvezda from a drone, then there are 2 BMP-1Ps, 5 BRDM-2s, 2 T-64BVs of 2017, up to 20 different cars, 3-4 packs of pencils in boxes and quite a few boxes of small ammunition (cartridges, hand grenades, grenades for AGS, etc.) + tent camp + broken barracks + partially dug-in storage pipe.

As you can see, despite the filming, some people claim over 100 pieces of equipment for this base, and some even up to 100 tanks.

[Alexey G]

You're on fakes!

[Dali]

Quote: donavi49

According to the Su-34, there is a video of how it falls and ejects. According to the Su-30SM, the crash site + search and interrogation of the pilots where they call themselves, military unit (Saki), according to the Mi-24/35 - photo, photo of helmets with call signs, interrogation of the pilot and rescuer + photo of the deceased and docks.

In a previous post, I asked you whose photo this is - and what did you answer me ... these writings and photos of yours smell of smell!

[donavi49]

Photo and video of local. But Konashenkov has 0 proofs in the news. So it's a matter of blind faith, you can believe whatever you want.

I'm not going to post interrogations of prisoners and dead pilots here. If you want, then you can easily find it, because there are a lot of materials on today's events. There have already been five of the same interrogations (moreover, an urgent video was released from Zelensky with an order-requirement NOT TO TOUCH! For the partners will stop helping.). Especially specifically the downed Su-34 - there was a well-deserved one, lit up in reports from Syria, and the dead and captured pilots were at a photo shoot with Assad and Putin.

[Dali]

Quote: donavi49

Photo and video of local. But Konashenkov has 0 proofs in the news. So it's a matter of blind faith, you can believe whatever you want.

I'm not going to post interrogations of prisoners and dead pilots here. If you want, then you can easily find it, because there are a lot of materials on today's events. The same interrogations have already come out with five pieces. Especially specifically the downed Su-34 - there was a well-deserved one, lit up in reports from Syria, and the dead and captured pilots were at a photo shoot with Assad and Putin.

These are your words again and that's it!!!
I will also tell you this - you can easily find a bunch of materials that speak exactly the opposite way.
How can you really prove it? And faith has nothing to do with it!
Film mattress "Red Heat" remember: What is your evidence?!

[Sadam]

Ehh ... you see, the stingers have begun to reach ... if it continues like this, it is necessary to land aircraft

[Lt. Air Force stock]

Quote: Sailor

Well, MANPADS were brought wild, unfortunately there will be trouble. And about every day they say, it's like in a joke about a pensioner: "and you say"

But after all, MANPADS hit up to 4,5 kilometers. Why do ours fly low? After all, there are adjustable bombs.

[Liam]

Quote: Lt. air force reserve

But after all, MANPADS hit up to 4,5 kilometers. Why do ours fly low? After all, there are adjustable bombs.

There is ... in the cartoons of the Commander-in-Chief. But in reality, cast iron

[Ratmir_Ryazan]

There is ... in the cartoons of the Commander-in-Chief. But in reality, cast iron

But there are no KABs in reality ?! Only Caliber, X-101 and FAB?!

Maybe they fly low, because not all BUKs have been disabled yet and it is much easier to shoot down a plane at high altitude than at low altitude ?!

[Liam]

Quote: Ratmir_Ryazan

There are no CABs in reality ?!

Watch the Zvezda channel less and read articles on VO with a bang.
What is in reality, showed a real war.

Quote: Ratmir_Ryazan

Calibres

There were enough calibers for a liquid strike on the first day of the war, which went into milk basically. Neither air defense was suppressed, nor aviation was defeated on the ground, nor headquarters or communication centers were defeated.

[Lt. Air Force stock]

Quote: Liam

There were enough calibers for a thin blow on the first day of the war

In addition to calibers, there are also Iskanders, there are a lot of missiles.

[Liam]

Quote: Lt. air force reserve

In addition to calibers, there are also Iskanders, there are a lot of missiles.

Of course ... that's why for a week now I've been using them with single blows, 5 pieces a day.

[Lt. Air Force stock]

Quote: Liam

Of course ... that's why for a week now I've been using them with single blows, 5 pieces a day.

We have 160 launchers on each with 2 missiles, the same number of TZMs with two missiles on each. This is 160 * 2 = 320 on launchers, 320 on TZM, this is already 640 missiles. And there are more in warehouses, the total may be more than 1000 missiles. If they are not often used, this does not mean that they are few.

[Liam]

Quote: Lt. air force reserve

maybe more than 1000 missiles.

Maybe ... or maybe not. This war has already shown that there is not much of what was on paper, if not noticed.

[Repellent]

Quote: Lt. air force reserve

the total may be more than 1000 missiles

[Dali]

Quote: Liam

There were enough calibers for a liquid strike on the first day of the war, which went into milk basically. Neither air defense was suppressed, nor aviation was defeated on the ground, nor headquarters or communication centers were defeated.

Do you work in the production of calibers? Or are they reporting to you personally?

[Paranoid50]

Quote: Dali

work in the production of calibers?

It washes floors in Italy - in short, it works by numbers.

[Repellent]

Quote: Liam

Neither air defense was suppressed, nor aviation was defeated on the ground, nor headquarters or communication centers were defeated

During the war ... horror-horror-horror

How is sunny Italy? Hasn't sunk yet?

[Dali]

Quote: Repellent

How is sunny Italy? Hasn't sunk yet?

They have such optics, such optics - optics to all opticians ...

[MMX]

there were enough calibers for a thin blow on the first day of the war.

160 missiles - is it "thin"?
Yes, you, my friend, are a cannibal.

[Alexey G]

At high altitude, the pilot can maneuver on the protection system! Who told you that the lower the safer, but what about thongs?

[Okolotochny]

Cast iron is your Moldavian brain)) According to Lavrov further.
What are you happy about? I forgot when the government of your Moldova on the courts begged Miller to supply gas? Here on your knees ask, and then shit. One word - Romanians.

[Paranoid50]

Quote: Okolotochny

One word - Romanians.

He looks like a Moldavian...

[Repellent]

Quote: Paranoid50

Quote: Okolotochny

One word - Romanians.

He looks like a Moldavian...

- Not saxauls, but aksakals...
- Oh, one hell, Chukchi anyway ...

[Alexey G]

Cast iron is your leftist propaganda! Block him somebody of this cast iron!!!

[Alexey G]

Where are the patriots sites! They let me downvote! These Bandera!

[Ivan is not indifferent]

I suspect not. If you believe that the Su-34 near Chernigov carried 500 kg of bombs

[Ol willy]

Taking such a handsome man as the Su-34, hanging an antediluvian FAB on it and sending it to bomb at low altitude is drug addiction

[Force]

Judging by the pictures, the usual cast iron was suspended

[Slap]

Disrupting guidance from MANPADS is easier than getting away from a missile. Plus, the APU still has Buki and S-300. So you are not sure that you can work at heights

[Airdefence_107]

Even the Su-30 and Su-34 work for ultra-small ones. So, for sure, the horses still have stashed Buki. Leaving them, they stumble upon the Stingers...

[Piramidon]

Quote: NSV

Then our entire Ukrainian aviation besieged

No one has ever talked about EVERYTHING. On such a vast territory, you can easily hide several aircraft.

[Petio]

Quote: Petio

This is a Russian pilot from the Su-34 shot down today

Major Krasnoyartsev

[vs45]

They killed both the pilot - the hero of the Syrian company and the plane .... I hope the navigator will survive in captivity .... Well, you can’t lose such planes !!!!

[GREG68]

Yes .... something was not planned in the General Staff of the Russian Federation and not so ....

[Vadim237]

This is because our Air Force does not have normal reconnaissance and strike UAVs. Here the air defense of nichrome is suppressed and all airfields with equipment are not gouged.

[Ivan is not indifferent]

killed by not suppressing air defense and driving 34s to Stingers

[Repellent]

Quote: Ivan the Indifferent

did not suppress air defense and drive 34s on Stingers

[dnestr74]

How to suppress Stingers?

[Ol willy]

Don't fly low

[Dali]

Quote: Petio

This is a Russian pilot from the Su-34 shot down today

Major Krasnoyartsev

Where do the firewood come from ... they personally report to you from the General Staff ?!
Although if from Ukrobander, then it’s clear ...

[Kachesgm]

I advise you to watch the VO telegram channel. There it becomes clear that all this is reality. Which is pretty damn...

[Dmitry Potapov]

And no one pays attention that our area of ​​Lviv is not being touched? But there are airfields there!

[Ivan is not indifferent]

this airfield is used by our sworn partners, apparently we are afraid of hooking one of them. It will get worse

[Stone]

Also drew attention to this. I assumed that ours would constantly bomb the military infrastructure there. It feels like there are some agreements on these territories.

[CYM]

It feels like there are some agreements on these territories

I have had this suspicion since the first day of the operation. And the military infrastructure in the west is practically not touched, and convoys with weapons and fuel for the Armed Forces of Ukraine arrive calmly. And here, behind the scenes of the negotiations, representatives of the oligarchs from both sides are rubbing. All in all, this is worrying.

[Force]

It is strange that there is not a single video from the Zhytomyr region ....

[Ivan is not indifferent]

what could be the video? if the facts of the downing took place, then the Su-27 fell into the territories controlled by the Armed Forces of Ukraine, and they will not lay out their losses

[Force]

The very moment of the fall of the wreckage, the parachute domes would have been removed and laid out anyway, you can figure out whose horseradish is from the ground.
In addition, most of the time they are posted by civilians.
Although .... it seems that the weather there was complete d ...., and perhaps for this reason there are no vids.

[Dali]

Quote: Vigore

It is strange that there is not a single video from the Zhytomyr region ....

It has been said more than once that there will be no video yet ... and ... ours are fighting there, and not taking selfies, no matter how it is before that ... and it is still forbidden to shoot and not because there is nothing to be proud of !! !

[Ratmir_Ryazan]

In an air battle in the Zhytomyr region, four Su-27 aircraft of the Armed Forces of Ukraine were shot down and one Su-25 was shot down by air defense systems in the Nizhyn region. Also, the air defense forces destroyed the Mi-8 helicopter of the Ukrainian Air Force and the Bayraktar TB2 unmanned aerial vehicle.

At least some confirmation would be shown, debris on the ground for example. And so even I do not believe, and even the enemy, all the more, will not believe in it. It can be said that 10 Su-27s were shot down and 30 Bayraktars.

[Airdefence_107]

Does the enemy strongly show the wreckage of all "39 aircraft and 40 helicopters"? In this case, the wreckage is most likely in the territory under their control. So let's wait for the video from the locals.

[Dali]

Quote: Ratmir_Ryazan

At least some confirmation would be shown, debris on the ground for example. And so even I do not believe, and even the enemy, all the more, will not believe in it. It can be said that 10 Su-27s were shot down and 30 Bayraktars.

The enemy does not believe ...
Pour weapons into the ranks of the enemy and believe it at the most reluctant ...

[svoit]

Quote: NSV

Then our entire Ukrainian aviation was besieged, now it turns out that it’s not ?!

Ours are still weakly using the A-50 (and other scouts too), although 2-3 would be enough, and I haven’t heard anything that our planes and helicopters would have already been relocated to the territory of Ukraine. Probably there is no convenient airfield yet. Of course, everything is unknown, but the use of our videoconferencing is more than limited.

[Charik]

they beat and beat air defense, beat and beat airfields, and? Su30-34 Mi8, they killed the commander of Sparta (God rest him), the main Nazi scum comes to Kharkov, gives orders, some negotiations with fascist drug addicts

[Shahno]

I didn’t understand, 4 Su 27. The Ministry of Defense stated: the Nazis were destroyed, and Azov was intact in Mariupol, the sky was closed, and the Su 27 was in the sky, the air defense was destroyed, the Su24 was shot down.

[Charik]

Su 34, as they say, and if the photo is not a hoax, one pilot died (God accept his soul), the second is captured

[rMN]

In Volnovakha, the commander of a separate reconnaissance battalion "Sparta" of the Guard, Colonel Vladimir Zhoga, call sign Vokha, died. This was announced by the head of the DPR Denis Pushilin, the correspondent of Donbass Today reports.
"He was mortally wounded, ensuring the exit of civilians from this settlement. Sparta scouts covered the evacuation of civilians, mainly women and children. The Nazis opened fire on them," said the head of the DPR.

[Dali]

Quote: Rmn

In Volnovakha, the commander of a separate reconnaissance battalion "Sparta" of the guard, Colonel Vladimir Zhoga, call sign Vokha, died.

He died when he covered the exit of civilians from Bandera ...
Eternal memory of the Guard Colonel Vladimir Zhoga!!!

[rMN]

Vokha joined the militia from the very beginning of the conflict in Donbass. Then he was only 20 years old. Almost immediately he joined the Sparta battalion under the command of Arsen Pavlov, better known under the call sign Motorola.

It was the Sparta fighters who hoisted the flag of the DPR over the old terminal of the Donetsk airport and later participated in its liberation. Ilovaisk, Uglegorsk, Shakhtersk, Shirokino, Dokuchaevsk - this is only a small part of the settlements that Vokha selflessly recaptured from the Ukrainian army and national battalions.

He was appointed commander of Sparta after the death of Motorola, who was killed in a terrorist attack in his own home. Vladimir Zhoga promised to save the battalion and was faithful to his colleagues until death.

It is a pity that he will not see the end of the war and the complete liberation of the Donetsk People's Republic. But we know that somewhere up there he will rejoice at the common victory! Rest in peace, Hero!

[Airdefence_107]

On the first day, it was necessary to walk along the runway of the main military airfields. There are not so many of them anymore. Moreover, it is unlikely that we will need all of them for the landing. While waiting for the landing at a number of air bases, they themselves threw scrap metal on the take-off.

[Vadim237]

This is because the operations were concocted in a day - that’s the result of the reconnaissance is worthless, since there are no normal UAVs in the mass as well as drums.

[Airdefence_107]

I don't think in a day. They tried to adjust the economy under the sanctions for more than one year, they pulled together ground forces for at least a year (since February 2021). So we have been preparing for a long time, but we are not immune from miscalculations. Hope they fix it...

[Third district]

Quote: Vadim237

This is because the operations were concocted in a day - that’s the result of the reconnaissance is worthless, since there are no normal UAVs in the mass as well as drums.

I don’t recognize Vadim at all237. If earlier there was rhetoric that we would throw hats on everyone, now it turns out that everything is gone.

[Repellent]

Quote: Third District

before there was rhetoric that we would throw hats on everyone, now it turns out that everything is gone

The child was frightened

[Dikson]

There are a lot of such heroes here .. like a well-known substance behind a village bath ..

[Pilat2009]

Quote: Third District

I don’t recognize Vadim at all237. If earlier there was rhetoric that we would throw hats on everyone, now it turns out that everything is gone

Because when you turn on your brains, the world is seen in a completely different light. So you turn on your brains and think about how you can conquer a country with 40 million people with the full support of the West

[Nord11]

In basements smelling of urine and garlic, Kiev historians write a chronicle for future generations about their unimaginable victory on all fronts..

[rocket757]

Russian Aerospace Forces shot down four Ukrainian Su-27 fighters near Zhytomyr

. The fog of war or just utter dregs ... even then, far from being able to find out everything for sure.

[vl903]

but where to write when you see such a channel in a telegram where Belarusian bulks pour every five minutes every takeoff of an airplane or a convoy that has passed ours - https://t.me/Hajun_BY who should deal with them?

[Dali]

Quote: vl903

but where to write when you see such a channel in a telegram where Belarusians pile up every five minutes every takeoff of an airplane or a convoy that has passed by ours

You only need to send a link to these posts to the relevant authorities ... as they say in war as in war !!!

[vl903]

is there a mail to send?

[Dali]

Quote: vl903

is there a mail to send?

Open the websites of the Ministry of Defense of the Russian Federation, the Republic of Belarus. FSB of the Russian Federation, KGB of the Republic of Belarus ... everything is there.

[meandr51]

I remembered how back in about 2000 the American game "Flanker (Su-27)", made as a simulator, was released. So there, then, as a scenario, there was a conflict between Russia, Ukraine and Turkey. Everything was in advance
planned.

[Viktor Sergeev]

Success is only fake. Although can we consider Lozovoy's displacement of 300 km a success?

[silver_roman]

I heard that it was the Su-25 VKS that was shot down near Nizhyn. I myself come from Nizhyn, there are relatives. They say that tanks go all over the city. Nobody took Nizhyn. Who the hell to believe....

[bessonov932]

Comrades! I come here for the sole purpose - to hear the opinion of experienced people. I hold my humble opinion of a sergeant from the times of Marshal Ustinov (and there cannot be one). Please - explain, who is knowledgeable - why is IT still flying? This is not MANPADS, not RS. A member's plane needs a cloud of nishtyakov to take off. Satellites - no? Intelligence - xs?

[Bayun]

But there are no rock hangars in the Carpathians, as in the Far East? Or hangars, like decks on aircraft carriers, when a plane appears from under the runway ... The Ukrainians are "well done", they got their bearings and recorded "-4" in Russian propaganda.

[Vavilov]

how not? there are, just like that, the border also passes there, the whole complex of the times of the USSR

[_Ugene_]

I wish I could see more video confirmation, but it’s not clear who to believe

[outsider]

Quote: Santa Fe

Su-34 is a bomber, it does not operate at low altitudes.

Who doesn't give it to him? The F-15E can operate from altitudes up to By the age of 30 meters! For over 30 years now!
http://pentagonus.ru/publ/18-1-0-261
The LANTIRN system provides flight at night over hilly terrain at an altitude of 70 m (at a speed of 900 km / h), and over flat terrain - 30 m.

[ToS]

And here are the same disguised pilots from a neighboring state, about whom there was already a warning, I hope this will be a lesson for them.

[outsider]

Quote: svoit

Quote: NSV

Then our entire Ukrainian aviation was besieged, now it turns out that it’s not ?!

Ours are still weakly using the A-50 (and other scouts too), although 2-3 would be enough, and I haven’t heard anything that our planes and helicopters would have already been relocated to the territory of Ukraine. Probably there is no convenient airfield yet. Of course, everything is unknown but the use of our videoconferencing is more than limited.

- For those who did not know, and even forgot: The air-ground operation "Desert Storm" in Iraq-91 took 42 days in time, of which 38 days were taken by the actual air operation, and only then 4 days - ground. It was 31 years ago. Was it time to "summarize best practices"?

[dnestr74]

great, they bombed for 34 days, and then they went into empty Kuwait ...
what about the second operation?

[outsider]

- Not only to Kuwait, but also to Iraq.

what about the second operation?

https://ru.wikipedia.org/wiki/%D0%92%D1%82%D0%BE%D1%80%D0%B6%D0%B5%D0%BD%D0%B8%D0%B5_%D0%A1%D0%A8%D0%90_%D0%B8_%D0%B8%D1%85_%D1%81%D0%BE%D1%8E%D0%B7%D0%BD%D0%B8%D0%BA%D0%BE%D0%B2_%D0%B2_%D0%98%D1%80%D0%B0%D0%BA_(2003)

[Dikson]

.. "we will go the other way" .. (c) Vladimir Ilyich

[outsider]

Quote: Ivan the Indifferent

killed by not suppressing air defense and driving 34s to Stingers

- And how are you going to suppress the "Stingers"? THAN?

[Alexey G]

Throw tanks and infantry to Lvov, Ivano-Frankivsk and Chernivtsi!

[outsider]

- There are not enough tanks, infantry, air cover for them, and most importantly - means of support: the convoys are not keeping up ...

[Alexey G]

We still haven't used half of our funds there! Bring in the reserves! This issue is already urgent and I'm sure it will be resolved soon!

[outsider]

- Of course they will. Otherwise, you will have to use nuclear weapons ...

[Pilat2009]

Quote: Alexey G

Bring in the reserves!

Well, yes, they will be transferred from the Far East. If anyone does not know, then the entire size of the Russian army is 1 million people. This includes cooks.

[Alexey G]

And am I wrong about this???

[outsider]

Quote: Repellent

Quote: Sanguinius

the Ministry of Defense reports to us about gaining air supremacy, and in parallel, publishes data on the LOSSES of the Ukrainian Air Force ... a paradox!

No paradox. Dominance in the air does not negate the fact that the enemy has some kind of aircraft.

- Dominance in the air - this is a state of affairs when enemy aircraft do not fly, do not shoot, do not shoot down. He sits, huddled in the cracks and does not show his nose.

[Repellent]

Quote: Outsider

- Dominance in the air - this is a state of affairs when enemy aircraft do not fly, do not shoot, do not shoot down. He sits, huddled in the cracks and does not show his nose

This is bullshit, sorry.

Air supremacy - the decisive air superiority of one of the belligerents in the airspace in the theater of operations

At the same time, the enemy may have aviation, it can fly and even, believe it or not, shoot. Leave already

[outsider]

In the USSR and the Russian Federation, the concept of air supremacy, as a rule, is not divided into any varieties.

In the Armed Forces of the United States, NATO countries and other states that build their army on the model of the armies of NATO countries, two related concepts are distinguished - air superiority (air superiority) as a sine qua non, a necessary and sufficient condition, and air supremacy (total air superiority, air supremacy) as a desirable condition for achieving victory over the enemy.
.........................
Russian aviation has no air supremacy in the Ukrainian sky. Superiority is.

[dnestr74]

Well, not so much ... If we take the Second World War ... If we drive the enemy into the Stone Age, as in Iraq. And Libya, then yes

[bk316]

Air supremacy is such a state of affairs when enemy aircraft do not fly, do not shoot, do not shoot down.

You are a sleeping sharovarnik, if you already started such an avatar, read something like Pokryshkin or Savitsky, or if your Bandera religion does not allow, then NATO standards. Air superiority is when the existing enemy forces do not guarantee the execution of an order. That is, for example, they gave the task to the Luftwaffe to bomb the crossing, but they couldn’t, or to cover the Reichstag, but there was nothing. At the same time, losses on both sides are possible even after capitulation. In general, teach materiel young Bandera.

[outsider]

- I repeat for the Great Russians: at the Russian Air Force over Ukraine air superiority have but air supremacy no.

learn materiel young Bandera

- That's all for you, the sick, Bandera seem, behind every curtain! Yes, even young ones!
Me 71 a year, I am a former Russian military pilot, 1st class, reserve lieutenant colonel ... And I didn’t stand against your Bandera people in any way ...
Listen to your elders, couch hamster...

[outsider]

Quote: vs45

They killed both the pilot - the hero of the Syrian company and the plane .... I hope the navigator will survive in captivity .... Well, you can’t lose such planes !!!!

- Why not"? Su-34 - an aircraft of the level of the 70s of the twentieth century ...

[bk316]

Su-34 - aircraft level of the 70s of the XX

what about the 70s then write immediately 30s
Oh, in vain shoulder straps with skulls were canceled ...

[outsider]

- Of course, the 70s.
Fundamentally, it differs from the Su-27 only in that it also has a toilet and a storage room. The backward Yankees do not have toilets in the fighters ...

[dnestr74]

You are sick, however ... SU-34 is not a fighter ... You need to be banned

[outsider]

- Of course not. He is a front-line bomber, like the Su-24. But he has a toilet - obviously an extra device. The Yankees are laughing ... It would be better if they put an additional tank ...

[Charik]

internal fuel is more than that of a mattress with hanging

[outsider]

- Su-34 is generally an "extra" aircraft. Su-30SM would be quite enough. Like the Americans F-15E - and no one resumes production of the F-111.
Waste of money...

[bk316]

nothing boy that 27 was adopted in the 80s and not the 70s

[outsider]

http://airwar.ru/enc/fighter/su27.html
...Finally, under the pressure of the ministry, and the beginning November 1971, XNUMX P.O. Sukhoi ordered to begin the development of an advance project for a promising front-line fighter, which received the factory code T-10 and the then still secret name Su-27.

It was decided to base the technical proposal on the first version of the appearance of the aircraft, prepared for (February November 1970, XNUMX in the project department of the OKB. led by Oleg Sergeevich Samoilovich. The first sketches of the layout of the new fighter were made in the Design Bureau of P. O. Sukhoi in the fall. 1969 g. At first, only one person was involved in this - the designer of the project department, Vladimir Ivanovich Antonov. Based on the studies of V.I.Antonov in the project department, the first version of the layout of the T-10 was prepared. Its direct authors were O.S. Samoilovich, V. Iantonov and the head of the team of the project department VANikolaenko ...

[bk316]

AND? You can copy-paste. When was it put into service?

[not 1]

Quote: Vadim237

Unfortunately, the loss of the Su 30SM near Chernigov is true.

where is the infa about su 30 cm? there was a su 34 bomber ... what's the point of bombing a su 30 at low altitude when there are 34 and 25s

[bbss]

Quote: р_у_с_с_к_и_й

wow+th

Don't get lost...

[Alexey G]

Where are the planes from? Beeches? Yes, from where the Strigers and Javelins come from !!! From Western Europe! They also promised to give aircraft to the Armed Forces of Ukraine, and then officially refused. We decided to give quietly! Maybe they take off from Romania or Poland! Or transported to Ukraine on the quiet! Maybe both! There is only one conclusion and I have already done it despite the minuses to me! It is necessary to close the border of Ukraine with Poland and Romania! Move large forces from Belarus and from the south of Ukraine, cutting off Lvov, Ivano-Frankivsk and Chernivtsi! Only then will the supply problem be closed! The destruction of the Zhytomyr warehouse is not a panacea!

[Alexey G]

As I understand it, my words are very frightening of the Anglo-Saxons, so cons!

[Normann]

And how many submarines lost?

[Osipov9391]

Unfortunately, according to our losses, the truth is Su-30SM from Crimea (MA, pilots in captivity) and Su-34 (VKS, one died, the other was captured).
The one that burned down near Nikolaev is the Su-30SM, the one that fell on the houses near Chernigov is the Su-34.
Helicopters were also lost and the Su-25SM attack aircraft.
And yes, before these Su-34 was lost near Kiev. The pilots are dead.
I will not upload photos and videos - the Internet is littered with them.

PS

Ukraine does not have a single radar field and never did. But "Buki" mobile systems and hiding in the woods. Until they radiate, they are very difficult to find.
And let's add that in Poland and Romania around the clock there are 3-4 American electronic intelligence aircraft - all information is collected and transmitted to Ukrainian headquarters.
AWACS is also attracted in Romania.

[MrFYGY]

This is the question of "complete air supremacy."
Guys die only because of someone's savings.

[Osipov9391]

We just need strike drones, strategic reconnaissance drones, specialized electronic warfare aircraft and modern Su-39 attack aircraft with MANPADS protection.
There is none of this - because the Su-30SM from the Crimea was sent for reconnaissance where it fell under the Buk missiles.

[Div Divich]

Quote: р_у_с_с_к_и_й

Yes, very strange. It seems that more than once they said that the Air Force and airfields of Ukraine were destroyed.

I watched a video with a captured pilot of Ukraine, he said that some of the aircraft managed to overtake to other airfields. So they still have hidden planes, but not enough.

[Dikson]

Today is clearly a bad day. And not only for the Ukrainian Air Force...

[astra wild2]

39, why so few? Could you add 0 0 as well? 2 ships, but the names: "Hetman Sahaidachny" and "Prince Vladimir"?

[riwas]

Russian Aerospace Forces shot down four Ukrainian Su-27 fighters near Zhytomyr

Less and less remains, apparently they were hiding at civilian airfields.

[stels_07]

Is it possible that the Aerospace Forces, knowing the algorithms of the operation of even Soviet air defense systems, cannot suppress them with Reb means?

[outsider]

- This is much more difficult than you think: for high-quality suppression of air defense radars the technological level of electronic warfare stations should be a cut above that of suppressed radars. And they are the same level. Therefore, there is no question of qualitative suppression. Alas and ah...

[stels_07]

For six months they laughed at Donald Cook, but they can’t with the Soviet radar?

[outsider]

- About "Donald Cook" - there was just a fairy tale for the younger group of kindergarten, not even just stupid and ridiculous, but simply illiterate to the point of absurdity. Even if the same Khibiny were on the Su-24, which flew over this very destroyer (they are installed on the Su-34, they never happened on the Su-24), and even if they were "turned on to the fullest" - on no one would "even sneeze" on a destroyer! They are completely incomparable, not even like an Elephant and a Pug, but like an Elephant and a mouse ... I say this as a former teacher of aviation electronic equipment, including electronic warfare equipment, of course.
https://mostlymissiledefense.com/2012/08/03/ballistic-missile-defense-the-aegis-spy-1-radar-august-3-2012/
detection range
The only public numerical figure on Aegis detection range against a specific target (that I have seen) is that the SPY-1D “can track golf ball-sized targets at ranges in excess of 165 kilometers.” A golf ball-size (1.68 inches diameter) sphere corresponds to radar cross section of about 0.0025 m2 at 3.3 GHz. This statement was made in the context of the soon-to-be deployed SPY-1D(V) radar to detect mortar and artillery shell and small-caliber rockets against a clutter background, so presumably it applies to the D(V) version. Scaling to a radar cross section more typical of a ballistic missile warhead (0.03 m2 at 3.3 GHz) gives a range of at least 310 km.

Of course, the S-300 air defense radars are much inferior to that AN / SPY-1D monster from the destroyer, but they are also quite difficult to suppress with the same Khibiny and Sorption. On the radars of these air defense systems, there are ways to tune out interference, so Russian pilots have no guarantees of confident suppression there.

As for the "Stingers": there is a coordinator working not only in the IR range, but also in UV. Therefore, it is extremely problematic to take the Stinger away even with a massive shooting of squibs - the rocket will be guided in the UV range, and there are no squibs on it ...

[stels_07]

Igniters in the UV range need to be made, at first Azerbaijan sent unmanned An-2s to open air defense, don’t we have such targets?

[outsider]

Igniters in the UV range must be done

The laws of physics don't allow...

At first, Azerbaijan sent An-2 unmanned vehicles to open air defense, do we have such targets?

There are unmanned targets. But how well thought out is the whole mechanism for their use on the theater - xs ...

[Osipov9391]

And what about the Dry Cargo IR interference generator that was used on the Su-39, what could it do at all?
There is a healthy 5000 W lamp with a certain directionality.

[outsider]

- All these devices are not effective enough against the Stinger ...

[iouris]

The combat use of the Su-27, -30 ... against ground targets as attack aircraft can only be explained by extreme necessity, or ...
It seems that elements of the enemy air force and air defense have been preserved, and the supply of Soviet equipment through Poland and Slovakia cannot be ruled out. This is a major oversight.

[outsider]

The combat use of the Su-27, -30 ... against ground targets as attack aircraft can only be explained by extreme necessity, or ...

- ... or by the fact that the great space power did not bother to mass-produce such trifles as "Bayraktar":

[iouris]

This is the result of corruption and the accelerated construction of a society of developed technological backwardness. The resources of the USSR and the money pumped out of the "post-Soviet space" went to the next facelift of the "Western civilization", to support overconsumption. And here it is again... They are after our natural resources and money. And they don't need people.

[outsider]

They are after our natural resources and money.

"They" - who is this? USA, EU and NATO?

And they don't need people.

- To whom "them"? USA, NATO and EU?
People are not needed - whose? Residents of Russia? The USA and the EU definitely don't need them. And China doesn't need them. They must be needed by the leadership of Russia...

[white.eagle]

If, after a week of war, Ukrainian aviation is still operational, then Russian aviation is not as strong as it appears on paper. If the Russians had to fight, for example, with the aviation of Turkey or even Finland instead of Ukrainian aviation, it would be a complete disaster for the Russians. I wonder who told Putin that Russia is a military power?

[outsider]

- Who? Sycophants, yes-men, sycophants, hangers-on...
“You, a greedy crowd standing at the throne, executioners of freedom, genius and glory...” - Centuries pass, but nothing changes...

[Osipov9391]

That is, the losses of the Su-34 from MANPADS, Su-30SM from Bukovs, Su-35S from S-300 and MiG-29 indicate that such equipment is not very useful and can be used against AUG, shipborne air defense, and even modern military Air defense of NATO countries and their aircraft?

[Osipov9391]

In Finland. So it is re-equipping with the F-35, purchasing cruise missiles for them with a launch range of up to 1000 km and one foot in NATO.
So the threat from it will be two times greater than from Ukraine.

[Viktor Vladimirovich]

Guys, at least you shouldn’t bark at each other, by God!
Now we need to unite, but we have some kind of junk fair here

[Sergei Lyakhovsky]

How many bayraktars were there in Ukraine? I wonder when they will end

[Osipov9391]

They will bring you as many more as they want - every day Poland and Romania receive up to 10 BTA aircraft from Turkey and NATO countries. They bring everything.

[outsider]

Quote: Osipov9391

That is, the losses of the Su-34 from MANPADS, Su-30SM from Bukovs, Su-35S from S-300 and MiG-29 indicate that such equipment is not very useful and can be used against AUG, shipborne air defense, and even modern military Air defense of NATO countries and their aircraft?

- Without a doubt...

[JohnnyEl]

Outsider, hello! You have a very interesting discussion here. I'm not a military man, I write code. But due to my irrepressible mind, I often wonder: how would I do this and that? why did they decide this way and not that way? I see that you are a person from this “crowd” (pardon my French - a spoiled generation).

1) Now we are seeing some kind of surreal thing that is either blatant savagery or a war crime. How can such expensive toys as the Su-34 be used as attack aircraft dropping bombs? Where are our UAVs, high-precision missiles, IR-corrected bombs with which we rammed the Syrian barmalei? What is happening there?

2) How does it happen that in the 21st century we are grounded (albeit not en masse, but quite painfully) by some kind of squalor from the 20th? Is there really still no escape from the Bukovs and S300s of the Soviet generation using modern technology? Electronic warfare, jamming, heat traps?

3) I’ve had this idea for a long time. We all know about precision missiles. We also know that getting it to its goal is a whole story. And they are outrageously expensive. What if we use kamikaze drones with warheads as precision weapons? This is essentially the same high-precision missile, only under human control.

Firstly, it will be much cheaper. All you need is a control module, some simple module for night vision, a warhead, a fuse, and protection against interception.

Secondly, flexibility of application. They can float freely and even fly into the anus of a particular black man. No tank near the house will be an obstacle for him.

Thirdly, accuracy. The operator assesses the situation much better than the rocket. If a woman with a stroller happens to be in the place of the tank, he will easily react. If the target moves away, he will catch up.

Fourthly, compactness. Although the warhead and minimal armor also need to be carried somehow, this is not commensurate with the size of the attack drone (even the crappiest one).

The price for such a drone should not exceed a million. It will be possible to fire more of them than any potential enemy has shots for MANPADS.

The operator can act both on a reconnaissance tip and in free hunting mode. 20-30 such flies will destroy any column (even a man-portable air defense system won’t help it much - they won’t be able to keep up with everyone).

I read somewhere about swarm tactics. The essence there is similar: to rivet a cheap exploding midge, which takes away an entire tank with it, and any rocket from a stinger is twenty times more expensive than it.

I hope I didn't bore you too much. I would appreciate your thoughts. Thank you.

[Evil 55]

Could they name the numbers or names of the ships?