Weapons of the Afghan dushmans. Shotguns, single-shot and repeating rifles

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The entry of troops into Afghanistan became one of the biggest geopolitical mistakes of the Soviet leadership, which led to an aggravation of the international situation and a fall in the prestige of the USSR in the world, as well as partial isolation.

The involvement of Soviet troops in the internal Afghan conflict led to the consolidation of anti-Soviet forces under the pretext of fighting the "occupiers" who invaded a neighboring independent state, which in the long term strengthened the positions of the opponents of the Soviet Union and exposed our country as an aggressor.



Now we can say with full confidence that the Afghan war cost us dearly and became one of the catalysts for the collapse of the USSR. And the point is not only in the next round of the arms race and military spending, which laid a heavy burden on the Soviet economy, but also in irretrievable human losses, which, according to official figures, exceeded 15 people.

State Soviet propaganda failed to convincingly explain to its citizens the need for the presence of a "limited contingent" in Afghanistan. The Soviet soldiers who were fulfilling their "international duty" did not understand why they should give their lives in a country where most of the local population had an absolutely alien mentality and was openly hostile.

At the initial stage of the Afghan war, government forces and the Soviet military contingent were opposed by scattered and poorly organized rebel detachments, most of them armed with frankly outdated light infantry weapons.


However, as the conflict escalated, the Afghan armed opposition groups received from abroad a variety of and often the most modern weapons. The main suppliers were Western countries, Iran and China. At the same time, some of the weapons received by the Afghan Mujahideen were Soviet-made, which the USSR had previously transferred to Arab countries as part of military assistance.

Shotguns and single-shot rifles


Afghanistan, being a very industrially backward agrarian country, has long been at the crossroads of trade routes, and traditionally the Afghans had a lot of small arms in their hands, made in different parts of the world and at different times.

In the early 1980s, the rebels used various smooth-bore guns in combat, both under a unitary cartridge and muzzle-loading flintlocks.


Sometimes, during the cleansing of villages, our soldiers came across 19-mm flintlock guns India Pattern, produced in the middle of the 1722th century, which had much in common with the British infantry rifle of the XNUMX model, which is also known as the Brown Bess.


British gun model 1722

With a barrel length of 939 mm, the India Pattern shotgun weighed 4,5 kg and was effective against a single target at a distance of up to 90 m.

However, much more often among the trophies were long smooth-bore (sometimes rifled) guns, known as "Jezail".


Shotgun "Jezail"

These guns, produced by local artisans, often exceeded human height in length and had a strongly curved stock. Caliber from 12 to 16 mm. Handicraft-made specimens were on average 2 kg heavier than the British model 1722 rifle.

Weapons of the Afghan dushmans. Shotguns, single-shot and repeating rifles

A longer barrel compared to British guns provided a greater range. A good shooter could, with a fairly high degree of probability, hit a tall figure at a distance of up to 150 m.

It is clear that in the second half of the XNUMXth century, smooth-bore muzzle-loading flintlock guns were a terrible archaic. But at the same time, due to their primitive design, they had a high maintainability and availability of ammunition.

Another weapon rarity available in the Afghan armed opposition detachments was the single-shot 11,43-mm Martini-Henry Mk II rifle of the 1877 model of the year chambered for the 577/450 Martini-Henry unitary cartridge, which demonstrated satisfactory accuracy at distances up to 300 m.


11,43 mm Martini-Henry rifle model 1877

A lead bullet weighing 31,4 g left a barrel 844 mm long at a speed of 411 m/s. The weight of the rifle is about 4 kg. Length without bayonet - 1 mm. Rate of fire - up to 245 rds / min.


In addition to long infantry rifles, the Afghans had Martini-Henry Artillery Carbine Mk II carbines with a barrel shortened to 543 mm.

The Afghan rebels also used a number of single-shot Russian 10,75 mm Berdan No. 2 rifles of the 1870 model.


10,75 mm rifle Berdan No. 2

The length of the rifle was 1 mm. Barrel length - 300 mm. The initial speed of a bullet weighing 830 g is 24 m / s. Rate of fire - 440 rds / min. In terms of ballistic characteristics, the Martini-Henry and Berdan No. 8 rifles were approximately equal.


Shotguns and rifles seized from Afghan rebels

I must say that, despite the use of charges with smoky (black) powder and the relatively low initial velocity of the bullet, at real firing distances, flintlock guns and single-shot rifles had a very high lethal effect when they hit parts of the body that were not protected by body armor.

Shop rifles


After the end of the First World War, several thousand 8-mm French Lebel Model 1893 repeating rifles with a tubular magazine for 8 rounds fell into Afghanistan. The Lebel rifle is famous for being the first mass-produced rifle to use smokeless powder cartridges.


Lebel Model 8 1893mm rifle

With prolonged firing, the combat rate of fire of the Lebel rifle is comparable to single-shot rifles. But with a pre-equipped tubular magazine, a well-trained shooter could fire an aimed shot every 1,5 seconds.

The weight of the rifle with cartridges was 4,41 kg. Length - 1 300 mm. Barrel length - 800 mm. A bullet weighing 12,8 g left the barrel with an initial velocity of slightly more than 700 m/s. Confident defeat of the chest target from the first shot was possible at a distance of 400 m.
However, the most common and popular magazine rifles among the Afghan Mujahideen were the British Lee-Enfield chambered in .303 British. These rifles, together with the German Karabiner 98 rifles, are rightfully considered one of the best in their class.


7,7mm Lee-Enfield No. 1 Mk III

Repeating 10-round rifle Lee-Enfield No. 1 Mk III, adopted by the British Army in 1907, had a sliding bolt with a twist. Loading was carried out in packs of five rounds or one round each. The weight of the rifle without cartridges is 3,96 kg. Length - 1 132 mm. Barrel length - 640 mm. A bullet weighing 9,7 g accelerated to 744 m / s. Rate of fire - 20-25 rds / min. An experienced shooter could hit the target with the first shot at a distance of up to 500 m.


Afghan mujahideen with rifle no. 4 Mk I

In 1941, a new rifle of the Lee-Enfield family, No. 4 Mk I, which featured a reinforced receiver, a heavier barrel, a modified stock, and a diopter sight. The weight of this modification has increased to 4,11 kg.


7,7 mm rifle Lee-Enfield No. 4 Mk I

During World War II, the Rifle No. 5 Mk. The I Jungle Carbine is a shortened carbine for fighting in the jungle. It differed from a standard rifle by a shortened forearm and barrel, as well as the presence of a conical flash suppressor on the barrel and a rubber nape of the butt. The carbine became more convenient to handle, and its weight decreased to 3,24 kg, but there were a number of drawbacks - the barrel shortened to 477 mm gave a strong flash, a loud sound of a shot and stronger recoil. To all this, the accuracy of shooting has deteriorated.


The most popular models among the Mujahideen were Lee-Enfield No. 1 Mk III and No. 4 Mk I, but carbines no. 5 Mk. I met often.

After the independence of Pakistan in 1947, the Lee-Enfield rifles were the standard weapons of the Pakistani infantry, and a very significant number of them ended up in Afghanistan.

In the initial period of the Afghan war, British-made rifles enjoyed great success in the armed opposition detachments, second only to the Chinese clones of the Kalashnikov assault rifle in terms of prevalence. Moreover, taking into account the specifics of the hostilities, the Americans organized the supply of additional batches of Lee-Enfield rifles taken from British and Pakistani warehouses.

In the Soviet army, Lee-Enfield rifles were known as "Bur". There were legends among our servicemen that their high accuracy was due to Japanese-made optoelectronic sights. However, in preparing this publication, I was unable to find photographs of Mujahideen posing with Lee-Enfield rifles equipped with optics. If there were such rifles, then, apparently, in limited quantities.


Rifles captured from dushmans

In the second half of the 1930s, the Afghan government carried out military-technical cooperation with Germany. The German 7,92 mm Karabiner 98k and Karabiner 98b rifles were officially in service with the Afghan army. In the early 1950s, Afghanistan acquired an additional batch of used German-made weapons, as well as 7,92 mm cartridges.

Depending on the variant and year of manufacture, the weight of the K98k rifle was 3,8–4 kg. Length - 1 110 mm. For firing, a cartridge with a pointed bullet weighing 12,8 g was usually used. The initial velocity of the bullet was 760 m / s. The effective range of shooting at a full-length figure using open mechanical sights is about 500 m. The rate of fire is up to 15 rds / min.


7,92mm Karabiner 98k rifle

An integral box-shaped double-row magazine with a capacity of 5 rounds is located inside the box. The magazine is loaded with cartridges with the shutter open through a wide upper window in the receiver from clips or one cartridge at a time.

Also, the rebels were armed with Chinese clones of Gewehr 1888 rifles, which were fired with 7,92 × 57 mm cartridges.


7,92 mm rifle Gewehr 1888

Gew rifle. 88 weighed 3,8 kg. Length - 1 245 mm. According to the ballistic characteristics of Gew. 88 and K98k were about equal. However, Gew. 88 was not as easy to handle and had a lower practical rate of fire.


In Afghanistan in the 1980s, the 7,62 mm Mosin rifle of the 1891 model of the year (1891/1930) and its shortened versions (carbines) were very widely used.


The first "mosquitoes" came to Afghanistan at the beginning of the 1950th century. Very large batches of rifles and carbines were delivered to the USSR in the second half of the 1970s. Until the mid-1944s, carbines arr. 41, along with PPSh-XNUMX submachine guns, were the main individual weapons of the Afghan infantry.


After the April revolution of 1978 and the beginning of the civil war in Afghanistan, the Soviet-made rifles and carbines in the warehouses entered service with tribal militia units, whose leaders declared their loyalty to the new government, and in the territorial divisions of the tsarandoi.

Subsequently, a significant part of these weapons, including sniper rifles with optical sights, went to the Afghan rebels and were actively used against government forces and Soviet troops.


Given the fact that many Afghans are born shooters, they often managed to shoot very accurately from repeating rifles at long distances and without special optical sights.

Although the armies of the most industrialized states in the post-war period were mainly armed with automatic and self-loading individual small arms, in the specific conditions of Afghanistan, manually reloaded repeating rifles were in great demand.


During the fighting in the mountains, this reliable and powerful weapon, firing a heavy bullet, often showed better results than 7,62 and 5,45-mm machine guns. At distances up to 600 m, rifle bullets confidently pierced Soviet body armor. Cases of breaking through the side armor of Soviet armored personnel carriers were repeatedly recorded, they also posed a threat to helicopters.

To be continued ...
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  1. +5
    7 March 2022 05: 50
    Interesting article! I know about * Boers *, they are mentioned in our memoirs, but I didn’t even suspect about the use of * spirits * * flint *!
    1. -10
      7 March 2022 06: 39
      The entry of troops into Afghanistan became one of the biggest geopolitical mistakes of the Soviet leadership, which led to an aggravation of the international situation and a fall in the prestige of the USSR in the world, as well as partial isolation.
      well, pardon me ... the decision to send in American troops was already known, ours entered a few hours earlier, once again breaking the plans of the Pentagon.
      1. +5
        7 March 2022 07: 13
        Do you think 100 US troops were in Pakistan at that time?
      2. +10
        7 March 2022 07: 30
        Quote: Aerodrome
        well, pardon me ... the decision to send in American troops was already known, ours entered a few hours earlier, once again breaking the plans of the Pentagon.

        This is not confirmed by anything other than Soviet agitation. wassat
        At that time, the "Vietnamese syndrome" was raging in the United States, and the Americans did not need another bloody war without a chance of winning in a country bordering the USSR. No.
        1. -2
          7 March 2022 08: 47
          Quote: Tucan
          This is not confirmed by anything other than Soviet agitation.

          Were there any?
          1. +5
            7 March 2022 08: 52
            Quote: Mordvin 3
            Were there any?

            Don't you remember? I remember very well how they wrote about it in the newspapers and the political officers told about it.
            1. +1
              7 March 2022 09: 08
              Quote: Tucan
              Don't you remember? I remember very well how they wrote about it in the newspapers and the political officers told about it.

              That's just about the fact that American troops were going there, I don’t remember. We are there to help. Plant trees, build collective farms, tie ties for pioneers...
              1. +8
                7 March 2022 12: 10
                Quote: Mordvin 3
                That's just about the fact that American troops were going there, I don't remember.

                It was said that the Americans in Afghanistan were even going to deploy an IRBM. wassat
                1. +4
                  7 March 2022 13: 29
                  hi

                  Is there any data on the number of body armor in Afghanistan?
                  I was under the impression that there were relatively few of them,
                  Yes, and wore them infrequently: the heat.
                  1. +11
                    7 March 2022 14: 10
                    Quote: Mister X
                    Is there any data on the number of body armor in Afghanistan?
                    I was under the impression that there were relatively few of them,
                    Yes, and wore them infrequently: the heat.

                    Bulletproof vests 6B2, 6B3, 6B4 were used by our troops en masse. It is clear that they were not worn in the location, and armor plates were often removed to reduce weight.
                    1. 0
                      7 March 2022 15: 49
                      Quote: Bongo
                      Bulletproof vests 6B2, 6B3, 6B4 were used by our troops in large quantities

                      Studying the photos of our soldiers - few people are wearing bulletproof vests.

                      I remember the plot of the documentary
                      It said that ours met another plane with cargo in Afghanistan.
                      Among other things, there were several boxes of body armor.
                      It turned out that they were "accidentally" sent across the river.
                      The fighters quickly appreciated the merits of the armor, and put them on before performing especially dangerous tasks.
                      From this I conclude:
                      1) There were few bulletproof vests in Afghanistan,
                      2) Don't wear them often
                      At least at the initial stage.
                      1. +8
                        7 March 2022 18: 37
                        There were a lot of broniks, especially among the infantry, they were also used as additional protection by drivers of cargo cars, hung on the door.
                      2. +4
                        7 March 2022 19: 03
                        Quote: Hiking
                        additional protection for the drivers of the cargo of the car, hung on the door.

                        Yes, I remember it: often flashed in the media


                        There was even such a makeshift booking
                    2. +4
                      7 March 2022 19: 05
                      Quote: Bongo
                      ,

                      How do you like that, Ilon Musk? wink
                  2. +3
                    11 March 2022 11: 45
                    hi
                    There are several "hardware" articles about body armor on the Internet, here is one of the best (with photo and data):
                    https://www.kalashnikov.ru/ceriya-6b5/

                    I was under the impression that there were relatively few of them,
                    Yes, and wore them infrequently: the heat.
                    - IMHO, there are different opinions in the memoirs, someone writes, “they didn’t wear it, it’s hot, it’s hard, you won’t go far in it,” someone writes “they wore it because they wanted to live and the fathers-commanders forced it.”
                    Apparently, at different times in different divisions it was different (sorry for the tautology).
                    1. +1
                      11 March 2022 12: 09
                      Quote: Wildcat
                      at different times in different divisions it was different

                      Reminds me of a scene from a movie
                      Several cars with foreign press drive up to the checkpoint.
                      A fighter in a bulletproof vest, but without pants, comes out to meet them.
                      And no underpants.
                      It turned out that he lost the argument to his comrades wassat
                2. -5
                  8 March 2022 15: 01
                  In 1987 there was a closed lecture about Afghanistan for members of the city Komsomol headquarters, we were strongly advised not to share its content with others! was read by an employee of the city administration of the KGB, there it was also about American missiles! and this was called the main reason for our coming to this country
                  1. +3
                    9 March 2022 06: 07
                    Quote: serg.shishkov2015
                    was read by an employee of the city administration of the KGB, there it was also about American missiles! and this was called the main reason for our coming to this country

                    Non-verifiable nonsense wassat The lessons of the "Caribbean crisis" in the United States then remembered. In addition, the allies of the United States were (and are) Turkey and Pakistan, where the situation is much more stable than in Afghanistan.
    2. 0
      April 11 2022 11: 52
      Multik is the best gift for a general. especially for inspectors from Moscow, and, if with a bed lined with mother-of-pearl, then this is generally a premium. If you want the test to pass with a bang, prepare a cartoon.
  2. +13
    7 March 2022 05: 58
    Sergey thank you very much for a new interesting cycle. Liked! hi
    1. +10
      7 March 2022 07: 54
      I subscribe to your words.
      At my school, half of the teachers were after the "river".
      On the table at the political officer of the battalion, under the glass, lay a black and white photo - he and the "drill". The gun was clearly longer than his 175cm!
      And about breaking through ... In 1993, they took away a textbook from a neighboring disbanded school - an armored personnel carrier 70 after Afghanistan.
      The board gaped like a colander, and most of the holes were even, no more than 7,62 ...
    2. +9
      7 March 2022 12: 13
      Quote: Kote Pan Kokhanka
      Sergey thank you very much for a new interesting cycle. Liked! hi

      Vladislav, hello!
      In the plans in the following publications to talk about other weapons of dushmans: self-loading rifles, machine guns, anti-tank weapons, air defense and artillery. hi
      1. +2
        7 March 2022 16: 33
        Sergey, thank you very much in advance!
        There is only one thing left for us inhabitants - to wish you creative success!
        Sincerely yours, Vlad!
      2. -3
        9 March 2022 08: 34
        Everything has been said for a long time. And the professionals who were there. Here is an example.
        http://artofwar.ru/c/chebotarew_s_i/text_0670.shtml
        http://artofwar.ru/c/chebotarew_s_i/text_0020.shtml
        http://artofwar.ru/c/chebotarew_s_i/text_0690-1.shtml
  3. +5
    7 March 2022 06: 12
    In the last photo, the spirit in the center has a bayonet fastened. For "banzai" attacks, probably laughing Looks menacing.
    We shot mosquitoes with a bayonet, but I don’t think that in Afghanistan there was a point in the bayonet.
    1. +4
      7 March 2022 07: 25
      Quote: volodimer
      but I don’t think that there was a point in the bayonet in Afghanistan.

      The Afghans didn’t really have a damn thing in the late 70s, so there was a point in hostility.
      1. +4
        7 March 2022 07: 29
        Shelling from afar, yes, but I haven’t heard anything about the bayonet attacks of the Mujahideen. Yes, then everyone would have a bayonet attached.
        1. +8
          7 March 2022 08: 29
          Quote: volodimer
          Shelling from afar, yes, but I haven’t heard anything about the bayonet attacks of the Mujahideen.

          And look how the very first heroes of the USSR in Afghanistan died. There they were attacked with sabers. When a friend told me, I didn’t believe at first, I thought I was driving a blizzard when I was drunk.
          1. +7
            7 March 2022 08: 54
            I knew that they knew how to handle edged weapons. Kuber (Khyber knife) or salavar scimitar. The British are very fond of.

            But about what would be with bayonets .. Here, several other skills are needed. Why was there skepticism? But you never know, maybe this one could do it.
            And look how the very first heroes of the USSR in Afghanistan died

            Thanks, I'll take a look. hi
            1. +2
              7 March 2022 12: 27
              Quote: volodimer
              But you never know, maybe this one could do it.


              The USSR has always assisted the Afghans in organizing local military schools and, of course, taught them according to Soviet programs and trained teachers. In Kabul, with the help of the USSR, the organization of the first local aviation school was already in 1921 - and this at a time when aviation was an important innovation, similar to modern hypersound. Over time, this geopolitical line of interaction may again become in demand.
          2. +5
            7 March 2022 14: 04
            Quote: Mordvin 3
            There, they were attacked with sabers.

            hi
            Photographer Steve McCurry


    2. +4
      7 March 2022 07: 31
      The carbine model 1944 had a folding non-detachable bayonet, like the SKS-45.
      1. +4
        7 March 2022 07: 41
        Well, it looks more like a mosquito with a trihedral bayonet. Most Lee Enfields, a few kar98s have one PPSh and one AK. What is the barrel of the character sitting behind the owner of a rifle with a bayonet? He's wrapped in something. From the modern only AK, but in the hands of a specific "saxaul".
        1. +3
          7 March 2022 08: 46
          At the Mosin carbine mod. 1944 was a folding triangular bayonet.
          1. -1
            7 March 2022 13: 51
            was a folding triangular bayonet.

            Tetrahedral, about trihedral - from some poem, because there the size of the stanza did not match
        2. +4
          7 March 2022 09: 03
          Quote: volodimer
          What is the barrel of the character sitting behind the owner of a rifle with a bayonet?

          With the world on a string. I don't understand myself. What's a bazooka?
          1. Fat
            +8
            7 March 2022 12: 00
            hi Vladimir. This is a Lee-enfield SMLE rifle. only what modification can not be distinguished. request
          2. +7
            7 March 2022 12: 09
            hi
            Isn't this? IMHO, the tide under the bayonet, the stock at the muzzle, the stock ring, the bolt group - the same.
  4. +5
    7 March 2022 07: 05
    I wonder where they got cartridges for Berdan and Merlin? Relodel?. And so the store is still in demand and formidable rifle.
    1. +9
      7 March 2022 12: 17
      Quote: ssergey1978
      I wonder where they got cartridges for Berdan and Merlin? Relodel?. And so the store is still in demand and formidable rifle.


      The cartridges are very easy to make. There are also no difficulties with reloading spent cartridges.
  5. +6
    7 March 2022 09: 00
    ,,Beyond the river,, two years in 682 SMEs. Stories about "terrible drills" were very fond of telling warrant officers from army warehouses and similar rear audiences who had never been to combat. Those that I personally saw were worn out, with metal parts worn to white, with trunks worn to the edge - in general, rubbish. And again, these eternal tales about,, incredible accuracy and penetration,, .... It's amazing how many, true, stories I learn from people who have never been there,,
    1. +2
      7 March 2022 13: 56
      Stories about ,, terrible Boers
      I am also very surprised by the stories about "terrible drills" and about the outrageous sniper preparation of spirits when firing from them. It seems that these are the stories of the guards. Training is necessary for sniper training, but after training, what will remain of a barrel produced 100 years ago?
      1. 0
        7 March 2022 14: 05
        Yes exactly. How many have not seen these captured rifles, the state is such that there is no need to talk about some kind of accuracy.
      2. +4
        7 March 2022 16: 51
        Quote: Aviator_
        Stories about ,, terrible Boers
        I am also very surprised by the stories about "terrible drills" and about the outrageous sniper preparation of spirits when firing from them. It seems that these are the stories of the guards. Training is necessary for sniper training, but after training, what will remain of a barrel produced 100 years ago?

        I am an entry into the circle of older comrades who went across the river, each for more than 5-6 years, and celebrate this “holiday” every year on February 15th.
        All of them, as one, recognized the superiority of the "spirits" in the ability to shoot "from a pot - two inches." Many of them are owners of shooting clubs, shooting galleries, or are engaged in patronage in this area. In fact, they are obsessed with the idea of ​​instilling in the younger generation skills and abilities in handling weapons.
        About centennial trunks. I personally have a sample of 1945. If not for its deactivation five years ago, you can go into battle as it is now.
        1. +1
          7 March 2022 16: 58
          Many of them are owners of shooting clubs, shooting galleries, or are engaged in patronage in this area.
          Are you talking about our club owners, or about Afghan ones? Speaking of Afghan farmers, it is unlikely that ordinary farmers, who are in the absolute majority, had the opportunity to visit these establishments. Yes, there is a cult of weapons. And if there is a relatively new weapon, and there are many of them, then there are no questions, train until you start getting into a mosquito. No one has yet canceled the shooting of the trunk, it is not subject to either Buddha or Allah, this is physics. But liberal correspondents spread PR about exploits such as how spirits knock down the Mi-24 with one bullet from the Bur.
          1. +4
            7 March 2022 20: 40
            About ours.
            However, they did not talk about how turntables were brought down from the Boers.
            And about the fact that in the mountains a good mosquito hides Aka - because of the range of an aimed shot. The problem in their opinion was that our recruits in the mass were inferior in shooting training to the Mujahideen. And the longer the conflict lasted, the gap only widened.
            In addition, the ancient kramakukdlk hanging on the carpet aroused less suspicion than the SCS in the carpet. When he shoots, Allah knows him. Tactics shot ran away, brought us more losses than even ambushes and small military operations!
            1. -2
              7 March 2022 21: 23
              However, they did not talk about how turntables were brought down from the Boers.
              Well, they are not liberal journalists, but I remember such stories in the yellow press in the late 80s.
        2. -2
          7 March 2022 18: 35
          This is not true. It takes practice to be able to shoot. And where can the poor people get it? Cartridges cost money, not to mention rifles. Because most of those are still arrows.
          1. +3
            8 March 2022 09: 19
            Quote: vovochkarzhevsky
            This is not true. It takes practice to be able to shoot. And where can the poor people get it? Cartridges cost money, not to mention rifles. Because most of those are still arrows.

            It's you about the Deskans. Alas, they fought with us in the Afghan mainly, those who had something in their hearts. At the initial stage, they were not fanatics as such. The highlanders started the war, and to a small extent for money, mainly because of prejudices and beliefs. They just had the experience and practice of owning firearms. Cannon fodder appeared later and was prepared in camps in Pakistan. Well, or in the ranks of the valiant army of Afghanistan, which trained personnel on both sides of the front. These recruits were no different from ours.
            1. -3
              8 March 2022 09: 56
              It was about the myth that Afghans in their mass are well-aimed marksmen.
              1. +2
                8 March 2022 10: 06
                Quote: vovochkarzhevsky
                It was about the myth that Afghans in their mass are well-aimed marksmen.

                Do not substitute concepts!
                I wrote about dushmans, but they are just not bad shooters. And learned to shoot from childhood. Unlike our recruits and Afghan dekhkans (peasants).
                1. -4
                  8 March 2022 17: 05
                  You don't change concepts. Where and in what province did you see such spooks, where everyone is like one shooter. However, judging by the statement about our recruits, you were not in Afghanistan either.
  6. +2
    7 March 2022 09: 03
    About:
    The entry of troops into Afghanistan became one of the biggest geopolitical mistakes of the Soviet leadership

    The author should still beware of such statements when meeting Afghans in person. This is so, as good advice.
    For the rest, history has decided everything. What, the Americans did not come to Afghanistan? So they came. And the production of opium in their presence increased by orders of magnitude. And in our country, the loss of young people from them in a year is higher than in all the years in Afghanistan combined.

    This is me with the Lee-Enfield No. 4 Mk I without a magazine is true. On the day of replacement.
    1. +2
      7 March 2022 12: 19
      Quote: vovochkarzhevsky
      The author should still beware of such statements when meeting Afghans in person. This is so, as good advice.

      Dear "shuravi", if I suddenly need your advice, I will definitely ask you. But until that happens, please keep your opinions to yourself. hi
      1. -1
        7 March 2022 12: 32
        Yes, for your respect, in general, purple. But if you suddenly get a face for such statements, do not be surprised. Not all shuravi are marked with tolerance.
        1. +7
          7 March 2022 12: 41
          Quote: vovochkarzhevsky
          But if you suddenly get a face for such statements, don't be surprised...
          Are you going to snitch? Throw off our address in a personal?
          It's funny to hear this from a character who offered to shoot down rockets from a machine gun. fool
          1. -4
            7 March 2022 12: 57
            Olya, do you have any idea how many servicemen passed through Afghanistan? Or do you think that there were no cases when parquet officers were not given such intelligible arguments in response to such statements?
            However, you can conduct an experiment, next February 15, visit the gathering place of Afghan veterans and repeat these words out loud. Yes
          2. +7
            7 March 2022 13: 40
            who offered to shoot down rockets from a machine gun


            Olya, good afternoon smile and don't argue with a "professional" laughing

            I'm in the service and not met with such talent, so it makes no sense to take the client seriously. soldier

            1. -7
              7 March 2022 13: 58
              And what warehouse did you serve?
              1. +6
                7 March 2022 14: 12
                You don't have to judge people by yourself. laughing
                1. -3
                  7 March 2022 14: 16
                  I have never hidden my VUS or where I served. You are unlikely to risk it.
                  1. +10
                    7 March 2022 14: 23
                    You are unlikely to risk it.

                    Do you think that communication with you is associated with some kind of risk? I have previously written about where and in what capacity I served an urgent term, but I can repeat it for you.
                    Years of service: 66-69. Bikinskaya tank training. Then the 54th separate tank regiment, 1st battalion, 3rd company. Tank commander. Khabarovsk Territory EAO village Babstovo.
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            2. +7
              7 March 2022 14: 23
              Quote: Sea Cat
              Olya, good afternoon smile and don't argue with a "professional" laughing

              Kostya, hello! Olya, of course, is sometimes overly emotional, but you can’t refuse her memory and logic. In addition, she does not digest those who are not responsible for their words and are prone to narcissism.
              1. +3
                7 March 2022 14: 27
                prone to selfishness.

                With this boy, you guessed it, one photo with Enfield is worth something. laughing
                1. +9
                  7 March 2022 14: 33
                  Quote: Sea Cat
                  With this boy, you guessed it, one photo with Enfield is worth something.

                  Kostya, you probably found an ancient (Sergey Korenkov) on the site? That's who is really a professional, who fought a lot and knew a lot of people in our front-line aviation. But at the same time, he never boasted of his merits and participation in hostilities. Moreover, when he was directly asked about this, he most often avoided answering or answered very sparingly.
                  1. +5
                    7 March 2022 14: 42
                    No, I didn't get him. But I know one thing for sure, from those who actually fought and went through mud and blood, it is impossible to hear "hunting" stories about the war. And this applies to any war.
                    1. -3
                      7 March 2022 15: 06
                      Oh you, and the boys here http://artofwar.ru/ don't even know about it. laughing
                2. -3
                  7 March 2022 15: 04
                  Well, wow, it turns out we were engaged in narcissism in Afghanistan. bully
                  1. +5
                    7 March 2022 15: 10
                    You were not alone there, and you should not identify yourself with those who really did their job.
                    1. -2
                      7 March 2022 22: 23
                      It's not for you to judge who really did their job there and who didn't. You didn't smell there.
                      1. +2
                        8 March 2022 15: 01
                        You didn't smell there.

                        Well, you finally switched to rudeness, however, I did not expect anything else.
                      2. -3
                        8 March 2022 17: 09
                        One director of the museum began to be rude, evaluating in absentia someone else's service in Afghanistan. However, you didn’t discover anything new for me, you are not the first in this business, you are typical: http://artofwar.ru/editors/l/lisowoj_w_i/text_0700.shtml
                      3. +3
                        8 March 2022 17: 16
                        One director of the museum started to be rude

                        Well, file a complaint with the director laughing
                        And I'm not going to fumble through your links, "you write, write it yourself and in your own words" (c), if they exist, of course.
                      4. -4
                        8 March 2022 17: 59
                        What do you have so burnt something in one place?
                      5. +4
                        8 March 2022 18: 48
                        Well, if I burn, then you burn with a blue flame. laughing
                      6. -4
                        9 March 2022 08: 20
                        Most importantly, comfort yourself. Yes
                      7. +4
                        9 March 2022 08: 33
                        I have someone to comfort me. smile
                      8. +4
                        9 March 2022 14: 05
                        Quote: Sea Cat
                        I have someone to comfort me. smile

                        And apparently he doesn't. This is where it gets mad...
                      9. +4
                        9 March 2022 14: 41
                        A completely undisguised inferiority complex, with an attempt to realize oneself as something significant, and at the expense of others. There may also be some physical damage. And to hell with him, in the end. As Panikovsky said - "A pitiful, insignificant person." (c) What to take from him. drinks smile
                      10. +5
                        9 March 2022 14: 46
                        Quote: Sea Cat
                        A completely undisguised inferiority complex, with an attempt to realize oneself as something significant, and at the expense of others. There may also be some physical damage.

                        That's it! Yes
                        Quote: Sea Cat
                        And to hell with him, in the end. As Panikovsky said - "A pitiful, insignificant person." (c) What to take from him.

                        Kostya, I have already come across this ficus in the past. With minimal knowledge, he fancies himself a great expert in all fields. This is not sad, it is sad that such a character undertakes to speak on behalf of all Afghans, thereby discrediting them.
                      11. +4
                        9 March 2022 14: 54
                        it is sad that such a character undertakes to speak on behalf of all Afghans, thereby discrediting them.

                        I tried to convey this to him, but it was absolutely useless - like peas against the wall. laughing
                        This is a little higher, obviously the admins got tired of everything and they demolished everything to a crazy hair dryer. smile
                      12. +5
                        9 March 2022 14: 56
                        Quote: Sea Cat
                        This is a little higher, obviously the admins got tired of everything and they demolished everything to a crazy hair dryer.

                        Yes, admins such clowns are an extra headache. And without them there are enough problems.
                      13. +3
                        9 March 2022 15: 06
                        Seryozha, that's it, I'm turning off, I was again the "night duty", cursed insomnia. smile I'm going to try to sleep. drinks
                        Olya big hello. love
                  2. +2
                    9 March 2022 01: 28
                    Quote: vovochkarzhevsky
                    Well, wow, it turns out we were engaged in narcissism in Afghanistan. bully

                    I don’t know what you were doing in Afghanistan, but here you are so narcissistic. negative You are generally a unique specimen, people who really fought do not stick out like that. I remember when I was a kid, in our yard one grandfather told how he fought heroically. It turned out that he was a guard in the zone throughout the war.
                    1. -5
                      9 March 2022 08: 45
                      What are you saying. Can you give at least one fact of my "narcissism"?
                      And in general, can you tell me what people like you are so drawn to talk about Afghanistan? And yes, you are not only rude to me, but also to other shuravi. bully
                      1. +4
                        9 March 2022 10: 09
                        Quote: vovochkarzhevsky
                        What are you saying. Can you give at least one fact of my "narcissism"?

                        Most of your comments on this thread are veiled rudeness and outright narcissism. negative
                        Quote: vovochkarzhevsky
                        in general, can you tell me that people like you are so drawn to talk about Afghanistan?

                        Is this a taboo topic, or is it only allowed to be discussed by a narrow circle? Or maybe I somehow offended those who were there, but do not stick out?
                        Quote: vovochkarzhevsky
                        yes, you are not only rude to me, but also to other shuravi.

                        You have already been asked to answer for yourself and not speak on behalf of other veterans.
                        Fortunately, there are not many like you among the Afghans and those who have gone through the Chechen wars.
        2. +7
          7 March 2022 14: 20
          Quote: vovochkarzhevsky
          Yes, for your respect, in general, purple.

          Just like yours to me...
          Quote: vovochkarzhevsky
          But if you suddenly get a face for such statements, do not be surprised.

          There are quite a few combatants among my acquaintances, and for the most part, unlike you, they do not boast of this. These people honestly fulfilled their duty, but that is not the point. What did our country get by getting involved in the Afghan war besides losses?
          And the fact that you get personal, try to threaten and give "advice" where no one is interested in your opinion, once again characterizes your person accordingly. negative
          Please speak and answer for yourself. the tolerance of others is none of your business.
          1. -3
            7 March 2022 15: 14
            So you decided to promote on the topic of Afghanistan?
            1. +4
              7 March 2022 15: 20
              Quote: vovochkarzhevsky
              So you decided to promote on the topic of Afghanistan?

              In this case, it is you who are strenuously trying to engage in self-promotion? Do you have some kind of complex about the fact that your merits are not properly appreciated?
              1. -2
                7 March 2022 18: 25
                Well, what is my self-promotion? The fact that I criticize the articles of parquet warriors?
                I have not yet mentioned such a revelation as the fact that rifles were a threat to helicopters. lol
                1. +1
                  8 March 2022 03: 52
                  Quote: vovochkarzhevsky
                  I have not yet mentioned such a revelation as the fact that rifles were a threat to helicopters.

                  Do I understand correctly, you undertake to assert that small arms chambered for a rifle cartridge did not pose a threat to our helicopters?
                  1. -2
                    8 March 2022 08: 10
                    You misunderstand. Small arms under a rifle cartridge are not limited to rifles alone.
                    1. +1
                      8 March 2022 09: 15
                      Does a machine gun have better ballistics than a rifle? You already decide, or take off the cross, or put on shorts.
                      1. -3
                        8 March 2022 17: 25
                        I fully admit that you are an expert in crosses and shorts. As for anti-aircraft fire, somehow not very much. Yes
                        What is the rate of fire of the same PC and not an automatic rifle in the know though?
                        Well, practice confirms that holes from the PC and even the PKK were brought from the departure, never from rifles.
                      2. +1
                        9 March 2022 01: 21
                        I don’t argue with you where I am before you, and I don’t understand anything in anti-aircraft fire. Unless, of course, we take into account that I burned several hundred rounds of ammunition from the DShKM and ZPU-4 on parachute targets. Yes, and I had a chance to practice with MANPADS. So, deal with your underpants yourself. wink
                        A PC not equipped with an anti-aircraft machine is extremely unstable at high elevation angles, and it is extremely problematic to hit an air target from it with a burst. Curious, how did you distinguish machine gun bullet holes from those fired from a rifle? Did they conduct laboratory studies, or did they lay down in a straight line like in a movie? wassat
                        Yes, by the way, for the sake of curiosity, I went into your comments and did not find pearls where you propose to shoot down rockets with machine-gun fire. Did I miss something?
                        But after reading you, I realized that you are a quarrelsome and petty person, hearing only yourself.
                      3. -4
                        9 March 2022 10: 12
                        A few hundred rounds is certainly strong. lol True, a helicopter is very different from a parachute target.
                        Curious, how did you distinguish machine gun bullet holes from those fired from a rifle? Did they conduct laboratory studies, or did they lay down in a straight line like in a movie?


                        It's very simple, young man, it's enough just to look from the side of the cut of the barrel of the weapon when it is fired. Then learn to distinguish where the PC is, and where the DShK is, and so on.
                        And after the departure, each hole was examined and worked by the entire crew, including the flight crew. Bullet fragments were also taken without fail. After that it is not difficult to understand from what they are released. bully
                      4. +2
                        9 March 2022 10: 21
                        Quote: vovochkarzhevsky
                        a helicopter is very different from a parachute target.

                        Does anyone argue with this? It was about anti-aircraft fire, not yulite.
                        Quote: vovochkarzhevsky
                        It's very simple, young man

                        Thanks, made me laugh! lol
                        Maybe it’s simple for you, and you, as a professional, and certainly a competent specialist, without your characteristic narcissism and verbosity, explain to me as an amateur how you distinguished holes of the same caliber from bullets fired from a rifle and machine gun barrel? Thanks in advance!
                      5. -4
                        9 March 2022 10: 30
                        Read carefully, you were clearly told to first look into the barrel of a weapon when it fires, you will immediately understand where the rifle is and where the machine gun is. Yes
                      6. +2
                        9 March 2022 10: 36
                        Can you just say how the holes differ when using the same ammunition? Or will you continue to breed demagoguery?
                      7. -3
                        9 March 2022 10: 44
                        You breed demagogy. Since when did the drill rifle and the PK machine gun have the same ammunition?
                      8. +4
                        9 March 2022 11: 33
                        Quote: vovochkarzhevsky
                        You breed demagogy. Since when did the drill rifle and the PK machine gun have the same ammunition?

                        Actually, we are talking about all rifles and machine guns of rifle caliber used by spirits. Do you want to say they didn’t have Soviet-made carbines, or was the .303 cartridge used only in Lee Enfield rifles?
      2. +4
        7 March 2022 13: 49
        Thank you, Sergei. smile
        Handicrafts of flintlock weapons from Afghanistan, pistols and "karamultuks" confiscated during the inspection, came to our museum. Everything is quite rough workmanship and from bad metal, no one dared to shoot from them. Ours brought them to the Union exclusively as a souvenir, having bought them cheaply in some shop in the bazaar.

    2. 0
      7 March 2022 13: 16
      Quote: vovochkarzhevsky
      The author should still beware of such statements when meeting Afghans in person. This is so, as good advice.

      Cool Afghans are real face-breakers?
      We couldn’t defeat the partisans with Berdans for 10 years, and now they are crying, knocking out handouts from the government.
      I think Sergey is not such a person to be afraid of these "real boys".
      1. +1
        7 March 2022 13: 25
        If you are not aware, then the regime we left lasted three years in isolation. As for handouts, if they are asked, then those who simply were in Afghanistan, no more.
        And this - we did not send you there - we have already heard enough. Yes, and your words are very revealing.
        1. +1
          7 March 2022 13: 32
          Quote: vovochkarzhevsky
          And this - we did not send you there - we have already heard enough. Yes, and your words are very revealing.

          Sergei did not write "we did not send you there." He wrote that it was a mistake of the Soviet leadership.
          And our government, as the legal successor of the USSR, the leadership should pay for mistakes and help the Afghans - this is my opinion.
          Where did Sergey write that we should abandon the Afghans?
          Quote: vovochkarzhevsky
          As for handouts, if they are asked, then those who simply were in Afghanistan, no more.

          Someone asks for handouts, someone doesn’t ask, it’s an everyday thing.
          You don't need to make heroes out of yourself.
          1. -4
            7 March 2022 14: 10
            And who decided what a mistake? New authorities?
            1. +1
              7 March 2022 14: 14
              Quote: vovochkarzhevsky
              And who decided what a mistake? New authorities?

              Sergey's opinion is that this is a mistake. Dot. Stop inventing and attributing your own opinions to other people.
              There are no statistics and evidence on hand, but something tells me that the fact that the introduction of troops into Afghanistan was a mistake of the Soviet leadership, according to a little less than the entire population of Russia and even the entire globe.
              1. -4
                7 March 2022 14: 29
                In what way, we refer to "public opinion".
            2. +2
              7 March 2022 17: 53
              Quote: vovochkarzhevsky
              And who decided what a mistake? New authorities?

              And who decided that it was not a mistake? The Politburo split over the issue of sending troops to Afghanistan. Yes, and in the 80th they wanted to withdraw, only Brezhnev was told that the losses were scanty.
              1. -2
                7 March 2022 18: 26
                I remind you that the Americans were still in Afghanistan. The result of their stay should be explained?
                1. +1
                  7 March 2022 18: 34
                  Quote: vovochkarzhevsky
                  I remind you that the Americans were still in Afghanistan. The result of their stay should be explained?

                  Are you talking to me? Anyway...
                  At the beginning of the XNUMXs, the Americans asked for one hundred million for Bin Laden's head. There were many options. The French legion volunteered .... Continue the legend further?
                  1. -2
                    7 March 2022 22: 21
                    Let's tell another fairy tale how Benya on Incense organized the ramming of the twin towers. Yes
                    1. +2
                      7 March 2022 23: 58
                      Quote: vovochkarzhevsky
                      Let's tell another fairy tale how Benya on Incense organized the ramming of the twin towers.

                      I'll tell you more. The boys went, and beacons were installed in the vicinity of Tora Bora.
                      1. -2
                        8 March 2022 08: 04
                        You go on, go on. Don't forget about the ramming of the Pentagon.
                      2. 0
                        8 March 2022 09: 21
                        Quote: vovochkarzhevsky
                        Don't forget about the ramming of the Pentagon.

                        And what's with the ram? I was watching live and didn't notice.
                      3. -2
                        8 March 2022 09: 58
                        So I did not see the plane there. From the word at all.
    3. +4
      7 March 2022 13: 34
      Lee Enfield No. 4 Mk I without truth magazine

      And what about the shop? laughing
      1. -4
        7 March 2022 14: 07
        No, just filmed for a photo shoot.
        1. +4
          7 March 2022 14: 11
          What for? What is the point?
          1. -3
            7 March 2022 14: 27
            He was equipped. To avoid.
            1. +4
              7 March 2022 14: 28
              It's actually strange, but ... anything, of course, happens.
          2. +6
            7 March 2022 14: 27
            Quote: Sea Cat
            What for? What is the point?

            Show off. This character filled up half of the Runet with his pictures. I don’t know how he fought, but as a person it’s clearly so-so ...
            1. +5
              7 March 2022 14: 35

              Show off.

              Ah... Well, that's understandable. laughing Men specially came to my museum to arrange photo shoots, for them I picked up “cooler” barrels in advance and called my friend from the photo department. So it's familiar. smile drinks
              1. +3
                7 March 2022 18: 00
                Quote: Sea Cat
                Men specially came to my museum to arrange photo shoots, for them I picked up “cooler” barrels in advance and called my friend from the photo department.

                Oh, it’s a pity that I didn’t take pictures with my rifles, machine guns, rocket launchers .... It would be something to brag about ... Oh, fuck them. Somehow they hacked into the toilet from a rocket launcher, so it collapsed. I had to dig a new one.
            2. -3
              7 March 2022 15: 09
              You better tell us about yourself, where and when you fought. You are the right person for us, just judge the standard of others. Yes
  7. +1
    7 March 2022 09: 39
    The story with Afghanistan - stepping on the same or similar rake is repeated in a few decades. Only in the worst case scenario - not against the Muslim Mujahideen in fulfillment of their international duty several thousand kilometers from the borders of Russia, but against the Orthodox Slavic (formerly fraternal) people, which consists of a third of Russians, in pursuance of some unknown great idea and next to the borders of Russia . But the pretext is the same - if we had not entered Ukraine, the next day "y" would have entered there, Ukraine would have attacked Russia and deprived it of its independence.
    1. 0
      7 March 2022 10: 59
      After 91, the fraternal people became consolidated, and after shouting "a mascot against a gilyak, he became an enemy." And there is nothing to make Mother Teresa look like.
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      7 March 2022 13: 25
      Quote: Andrey VOV
      It’s not necessary, if it’s about weapons, write like that, otherwise it starts with such a smell ..

      I thought that from Sergey's article, our "uryakolok will bomb and they will hear their own smell from their own bombing. wassat
      It's a pity they rarely read Sergei's articles, the bombing would have been massive and the air in Russia would have deteriorated greatly. lol Although maybe fortunately.
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  11. -1
    7 March 2022 11: 08
    "The entry of troops into Afghanistan became one of the biggest geopolitical mistakes of the Soviet leadership, which led to an aggravation of the international situation and a fall in the prestige of the USSR in the world, as well as partial isolation."
    After all, everyone is smart! According to your logic, today's special operation is also the biggest geopolitical mistake???!!!
  12. +5
    7 March 2022 11: 49
    Like the article, as always!
    many Afghans are born shooters, they often managed to shoot very accurately from repeating rifles at long distances and without special optical sights
    - came across such an explanation for this "phenomenon". A shooter is sitting with a rifle, he has a dozen or two rounds of ammunition. He shoots at a column passing by for about 500 meters. A certain number of bullets hit. Since previous shots are not recorded, each hit single shot is perceived as a "sniper".
    1. +3
      9 March 2022 05: 55
      My officers and ensigns said that they actually hit from 500 meters from the first shot.
      1. +1
        9 March 2022 09: 52
        hi
        Anything happened, IMHO:
        When I took out a map and a flashlight to correct the artillery fire, they started hitting me with a drill, with explosive bullets from 100-150 meters, the sound of the shot merged with the flashes of bullets, and the tracer didn’t really have time to flare up, They shot five times, but didn’t hit .
        - Nikolay Saenko reports in this thread on 08 03 2022 at 22.59.
  13. -4
    7 March 2022 19: 15
    Well, 15000 with 200 million people at that time, this is a meager amount of losses. If the breaking and fermentation of minds had not begun with glasnost with perestroika, the spooks would have been squeezed.
  14. +2
    7 March 2022 19: 26
    What a zoo! Where did they get such a variety of cartridges? Logistics nightmare. And I wonder if they continued to shoot at the Americans from these guns?
    1. -1
      7 March 2022 22: 34
      The percentage of these museum exhibits was extremely low. The main weapons were Soviet samples, albeit Chinese-made.
  15. -3
    8 March 2022 22: 59
    in the first battle, going up, I got a bullet under my left foot, leaving the line of fire, I noted that they were shooting from 200 meters, I pressed them to the ground with a burst of AK and left unharmed. It was the case, we were ambushed, 9 machine guns hit us from 300 meters (the COMPANY WENT IN FULL GROWTH ALONG THE CREST). One soldier died and one was wounded. the shot merged with the flashes of bullets, and the tracer didn’t really have time to flare up, they shot five times, but didn’t hit. So I was lucky with the “arrows”! And the beginning of the article is written off from American sources ....
    1. +1
      9 March 2022 07: 33
      Quote: Nikolay Sayenko
      they started hitting me from a drill,bursting bullets from 100-150 meters, the sound of a shot merged with flashes of bullets, and tracer didn't get very hot

      You don't confuse anything? Incendiary instant action (explosive) tracers do not have. No.
      Quote: Nikolay Sayenko
      the beginning of the article is written off from American sources ....

      Speak directly - from the manual of the State Department .... wassat
    2. -4
      9 March 2022 08: 48
      Hello bacha! Now local couch strategists will prove to you that you are wrong. Do not be surprised. Yes
  16. -3
    9 March 2022 10: 22
    Quote: Tucan
    Most of your comments on this thread are veiled rudeness and outright narcissism. negative


    That is, you have no facts.

    Is this a taboo topic, or is it only allowed to be discussed by a narrow circle?
    Or maybe I somehow offended those who were there, but do not stick out?


    In other words, do you continue to insist on the right of amateurs to compose their own opuses, while the participants in the hostilities are obliged to remain silent in a rag?
    Excuse me, but ma'am, - real veterans are silent, - has long been rotten, come up with something new.


    You have already been asked to answer for yourself and not speak on behalf of other veterans.
    Fortunately, there are not many like you among the Afghans and those who have gone through the Chechen wars.


    Do not lie, it's about the fact that you got nasty and another participant in the hostilities in this thread.
    1. +2
      9 March 2022 10: 31
      Quote: vovochkarzhevsky
      That is, you have no facts.

      Many have pointed this out to you, but what do you think of the opinion of others. You're "Shuravi" wassat
      Quote: vovochkarzhevsky
      In other words, do you continue to insist on the right of amateurs to compose their own opuses, while the participants in the hostilities are obliged to remain silent in a rag?

      The article is normal, but you can answer for insulting the author and threats.
      Communicate adequately, and you will be perceived normally.
      Quote: vovochkarzhevsky
      Excuse me, but ma'am, - real veterans are silent, - has long been rotten, come up with something new.

      Real veterans don't bulge. No. This is done by those who consider themselves offended.
      Quote: vovochkarzhevsky
      Don't lie, it's about the fact that you got nasty and another participant in the hostilities in this thread

      To whom I got nasty, are you generally adequate?
  17. +3
    9 March 2022 10: 38
    Rifles "Boer", aka Lee-Enfield, have a very big advantage: firstly, a bolt with which you can work without taking your cheek off the butt (and without getting a bolt in this case in the table) and large (compared to analogues ) magazine for 10 rounds.
    That is, without changing the butt, without taking your eyes off the target-front sight-pillar, you can shoot 10 times.

    For those who have learned how to insert acceptable clips, the Lee-Enfield bolt allows you to do the following trick: you can work the bolt with your thumb and forefinger, and the middle finger with the trigger.
    There was even a test for military shooters in aimed and high-speed shooting - a "crazy minute". Example:

  18. -3
    9 March 2022 10: 41
    Quote: Tucan
    Many have pointed this out to you, but what do you think of the opinion of others. You are "shuravi" wassat


    I don't care about opinions, give facts.

    The article is normal, but you can answer for insulting the author and threats.

    You can sue me.

    Communicate adequately, and you will be perceived normally.


    Is it adequate to adapt to people like you? With what joy?


    Real veterans don't bulge. no This is done by those who consider themselves offended.

    In your own words, it is not for you to speak on behalf of the veterans.



    To whom I got nasty, are you generally adequate?

    There is no need to include a fool, Nikolai Saenko.
    1. +3
      9 March 2022 11: 25
      hi
      Dear!
      Is it possible to have a few more photos / texts on the topic?
      Already a little tired of reading you.
      1. +2
        9 March 2022 11: 39
        Quote: Wildcat
        Respected

        You are strong! winked
        The main thing for him is to arrange a srach. As I understand it, he is one of those who are banned weekly, but he soon "resurrects" under a different nickname.
        1. +3
          9 March 2022 12: 00
          In vain, you see for yourself: a person can be politely asked not to write more off topic and he no longer writes.
          Politeness is important.
          1. +3
            9 March 2022 12: 10
            Yeah, especially after he got banned. He wouldn't stop on his own. No.
          2. +3
            9 March 2022 14: 21
            Quote: Wildcat
            In vain, you see for yourself: a person can be politely asked not to write more off topic and he no longer writes.
            Politeness is important.

            Good evening!
            This character known as "shuravi" is not one to be influenced by politeness. He is characterized by rudeness, quarrelsomeness and narcissism. He loves to tell how he bravely fought, and therefore everyone should listen to him with bated breath. Somehow, for a week, he amused people on the site by telling that machine guns are an effective means of protecting aircraft from missiles. After he was ridiculed, he once again showed his essence and was banned.

"Right Sector" (banned in Russia), "Ukrainian Insurgent Army" (UPA) (banned in Russia), ISIS (banned in Russia), "Jabhat Fatah al-Sham" formerly "Jabhat al-Nusra" (banned in Russia) , Taliban (banned in Russia), Al-Qaeda (banned in Russia), Anti-Corruption Foundation (banned in Russia), Navalny Headquarters (banned in Russia), Facebook (banned in Russia), Instagram (banned in Russia), Meta (banned in Russia), Misanthropic Division (banned in Russia), Azov (banned in Russia), Muslim Brotherhood (banned in Russia), Aum Shinrikyo (banned in Russia), AUE (banned in Russia), UNA-UNSO (banned in Russia), Mejlis of the Crimean Tatar people (banned in Russia), Legion “Freedom of Russia” (armed formation, recognized as terrorist in the Russian Federation and banned), Kirill Budanov (included to the Rosfinmonitoring list of terrorists and extremists)

“Non-profit organizations, unregistered public associations or individuals performing the functions of a foreign agent,” as well as media outlets performing the functions of a foreign agent: “Medusa”; "Voice of America"; "Realities"; "Present time"; "Radio Freedom"; Ponomarev Lev; Ponomarev Ilya; Savitskaya; Markelov; Kamalyagin; Apakhonchich; Makarevich; Dud; Gordon; Zhdanov; Medvedev; Fedorov; Mikhail Kasyanov; "Owl"; "Alliance of Doctors"; "RKK" "Levada Center"; "Memorial"; "Voice"; "Person and law"; "Rain"; "Mediazone"; "Deutsche Welle"; QMS "Caucasian Knot"; "Insider"; "New Newspaper"