Potential and its demonstration. Attack helicopters in the Special Military Operation

Ka-52 helicopters at the airfield

Together with other branches of the military, the army is participating in the current Special Military Operation aviation, incl. combat helicopters. Equipment of modern models and modifications, equipped with up-to-date instruments and weapons, searches for and destroys various targets, conducts patrols and covers land columns, and also solves other tasks. Some episodes of the combat use of helicopters have recently been shown on video.

Helicopters in the frame

On February 28, the Ministry of Defense published a short video dedicated to the combat work of helicopter aviation during the current Special Operation. On March 1, another video was posted showing how helicopters ensure the work of special forces. The next day, a new video showed helicopters escorting and covering the convoy.

The published videos show that helicopters of almost all relevant types are participating in the Special Operation. These are the transport and assault version of the Mi-8 and the combat Mi-35s, as well as the attack Ka-52 and Mi-28N. Curiously, there has been some confusion. So, in media publications, the Mi-28N helicopters that got into the frame are sometimes called promising Mi-28NM. Knowing the differences between the two modifications, it is easy to determine that the video from the Ministry of Defense contains equipment of an older type.

Mi-28H "Night Hunter"

In its videos, the Ministry of Defense showed how front-line aviation solves several different tasks. The video included patrolling and escorting columns, transporting and landing troops. At the same time, frames from the video dated February 28 are of the greatest interest. They show the firing of guided air-to-surface missiles at real targets. In addition, the lens got the results of the shooting - fragments of an artillery self-propelled gun, literally torn apart by an explosion, are shown.

Rocket firing

Several episodes of the use of rocket weapons can be observed literally through the eyes of a pilot. The frame contains a view through the windshield indicator and a thermal image from the multifunctional display received from the optical-electronic station. Judging by the display interface, guided missiles were used by a Ka-52 attack helicopter. Some interface fields are closed for privacy reasons.

Two rocket launches in the dark are clearly shown. In this case, only the dark sky is visible through the HUD, and the entire terrain and targets are observed in the thermal imager. Despite the darkness, the objects are confidently accompanied by a weapon control system. Launches were carried out at minimum speed, almost from a standstill.

From the proposed angles, the rocket launch looks quite simple. A flash is visible in the HUD, showing that the product has started and gone forward relative to the carrier helicopter. After a couple of seconds, the rocket enters the field of view of the OLS and appears on the screen as a black dot. The missile flies along a spiral path until it hits the target, on which the aiming mark was motionless all the time. A day launch is also shown - with better visibility through the HUD and a different display color scheme.

Combat work of helicopters; apparently, the shooting is carried out by the Ka-52

The video shows four launches for different purposes. Having no experience with the Ka-52 SUV, it is quite difficult to identify armored vehicles and enemy buildings in them. However, the explosion of a rocket with the defeat of the selected target is determined without problems.

Technical capabilities

The video from the Ministry of Defense clearly shows how modern equipment and weapons in the form of a Ka-52 helicopter and unnamed missiles are used. Previously, similar footage of the combat work of the Mi-28N helicopters was published. Consider the technical features of two types of attack helicopters, as well as their potential, incl. in the context of the current Special Operation.

Serial Ka-52 helicopters are equipped with the Argument-52 sighting-flight-navigation system. It includes the Arbalet bow radar, the TOES-520 optical station, as well as data processing and output tools, weapons control devices, etc. PrPNK and its components provide piloting and combat missions at any time of the day in a wide range of weather conditions.

The Ka-52 is equipped with an artillery mount with a 2A42 cannon on the starboard side, and also has six external hardpoints under the wing. The maximum combat load is 2800 kg. It is possible to use guided and unguided weapons of various kinds.

Shooting at night: the missile (dark dot in the middle of the display on the right) is heading towards the target

For the Mi-28 (N), a developed sighting and navigation system was also developed. Its key component is the H025 type over-hull radar with all-round visibility. The OES model TOES-521 is also used. There are all the necessary devices for the use of guided weapons, incl. working on commands from the carrier.

The helicopter is equipped with a full-rotation turret with a 2A42 gun under the nose. On the wing there are four suspension points for a variety of weapons, incl. modern managed products. The mass of the combat load reaches 2300 kg.

Since 2020, the Russian army has been receiving serial Mi-28NM helicopters. They are distinguished by a more advanced set of sighting and navigation equipment and the presence of new features. In particular, now both cockpits of the attack helicopter are equipped with a full set of controls. Compatibility with all current weapons is also ensured. The helicopter was able to interact with the UAV.

Arms issue

The guided armament of the two helicopters is almost completely unified. To destroy ground targets, incl. armored, missiles of several types are intended. Both vehicles use anti-tank missiles of the Shturm family. They are capable of flying at a distance of up to 5 km and penetrating at least 650-700 mm of armor, depending on the modification. Guidance - radio command. Also, the Ka-52 and Mi-28N can use newer Ataka missiles. They are similar to the Sturm and use similar guidance principles. At the same time, the range is increased to 8 km, and armor penetration exceeds 850 mm.

The result of hitting and undermining

The VKS is also armed with the Vikhr-1 complex. His missile is guided by a laser beam and flies 8-10 km. In terms of combat qualities, the product is not inferior to other anti-tank weapons. Previously, Vikhr-1 missiles could only be used by Kamov helicopters, but work has recently been carried out to integrate these weapons into the Mi-28N weapon system.

In the near future, the Ka-52 will become a regular carrier of promising Hermes-A missiles. This complex will ensure the defeat of ground targets at ranges up to 15-20 km. The missile will be able to penetrate armor up to 1 m thick or hit unprotected targets. It was reported that in the future, domestic combat helicopters of almost all current models could become carriers of Hermes.

Confirmed by practice

In the past, distant and recent, all domestic attack helicopters, including the latest modifications of the Ka-52 and Mi-28, passed all the required tests, confirming the design characteristics and compliance with the customer's requirements. In the future, helicopters and their weapons were repeatedly involved in various exercises, where they again demonstrated their potential.

Since 2015, attack helicopters with different payloads have been participating in combat missions in Syria. There, the high combat qualities of equipment and weapons were confirmed in the conditions of a real conflict. All intended targets were successfully hit.

Since February 24, helicopter pilots have been participating in the Special Military Operation and have been fighting against more advanced forces. This time the enemy has air defense means, incl. posing a great danger to helicopters.

Reports of recent days show that the Mi-28N and Ka-52 are effective combat vehicles with broad capabilities. They successfully solve the tasks of destroying enemy equipment and facilities, provide support to ground units, escort columns, etc. At the same time, the enemy can do practically nothing with helicopter attacks. The results of this work can be seen in published materials.

Thus, the Russian army has received and is actively using modern aviation equipment with effective weapons. And now this technique is again involved in real combat work. Over the past few years, attack helicopters and their missiles have been actively used to bring peace in Syria, and now they have to solve similar problems in Ukraine.

Comments

[Saboteur_Navy]

Our helicopter pilots are the best in the world! On the raid in Gostomel, I immediately realized this!
This operation is unique!

[Lech from Android.]

It is extremely interesting to observe how our military equipment is tested in combat conditions, what countermeasures the enemy uses.
Combat operations are being conducted, although not at full strength, but the enemy is the most insidious ... he strikes for any mistake, for any mistake of our commanders and staff officers.
Visible and misses and mistakes and achievements of our military.
From my point of view, the KA-52 is the most magnificent helicopter and, if used skillfully, will inflict heavy losses on the enemy ... which is what we are seeing in this operation.
The French seem to be going to supply the Banderaites with their latest portable anti-tank and anti-aircraft systems... there will be new threats to our flyers... we must prepare for this now.

[Baron pardus]

Please ask in advance if I say something wrong, but I read and heard that the KA-50/52 is wildly difficult to pilot, and difficult to master by the flight crew, somewhere I read that for flights on the Ka-52 and Ka-50 no one ranks lower the major is not allowed. IF this is so (and I do not claim that this is so, for which I bought it, like a grill, I sell it for that.), Then this is a BAD helicopter. Since a good weapon should be easy to use and learn. For example, according to everything that helicopter pilots told me about our American helicopters, learning to fly a Cobra is easier than an Apache.

[sifgame]

Yes, if this is so, then of course everything is bad, but if everything is not so, then it's good. I heard somewhere and once read that the F-35 is wildly complex, buggy, brittle, terribly expensive aircraft. If so, then this is a BAD plane. And if not, of course it's a good plane.

[Baron pardus]

The F-35 is only allowed to fly with the rank of Captain or higher. First Lieutenants are also allowed to fly on the F-16 and F-16. Second lieutenants don't fly fighter jets. At all. Judging by this, the F-35 is indeed more difficult to pilot than the F-16 and F-15. But I am not a pilot and not even an airfield monkey (maintenance), I was not in the Air Force at all, but in the Army .. So I can’t say anything for sure.

[sifgame]

fuck it was a joke

[Amateur]

IF this is so (and I do not claim that this is so, for which I bought it, like a grill, I sell it for that.), Then this is a BAD helicopter.

And if you don't know, why are you posting? Do you want to throw shit on the fan? They should be banned for spreading.

[vovochkarzhevsky]

A helicopter is generally a very difficult machine to master. But co-pilots are simpler than a single-rotor scheme in piloting. And the most difficult for every pilot is the initial training helicopter. I don’t know for the Ansat, but the one who mastered the Mi-2 will master any helicopter.

[max702]

Quote: Baron Pardus

but I read and heard that the KA-50/52 are wildly difficult to pilot, and difficult to master by the flight crew

YOU are categorically wrong, just the opposite, everyone who piloted coaxial helicopters noted the simplicity and intuitiveness of these machines .. Here is what is written about the pilot and the features of aiming about the KA-29 on the Corner of the Sky website
The deviation of the collective pitch lever on the coaxial Ka-29 with the help of AP leads to a simultaneous increase or decrease in the angles of installation of the blades by the same value on both propellers. As a result of the influence of the system of automatic control of the operation of engines on the supply of fuel, the necessary change in the power of the power plant of the apparatus occurs. The reactive moments of the propellers remain balanced, the unbalance of the helicopter in space does not occur.

A completely different picture is observed when this lever is deflected on the Mi-24. Changing the thrust of the main rotor leads to an increase or decrease in its reactive moment. This, in turn, requires deflection of the directional control pedals to parry it. There is an unbalance of the helicopter about three axes, requiring coordinated deviations of all control levers. Imagine at least mentally how difficult it is under these conditions to impose a fixed sight mark on the target, that is, to carry out aiming with the helicopter body.
http://www.airwar.ru/enc/sh/ka29.html Очень рекомендую ознакомиться.
This is true for all coaxial helicopters, the only thing that was difficult in the 80s was the conduct of combat work on the KA-50 due to the heavy workload of the pilot, the perfection of the electronics of the navigation systems and other things .. Today, all this was decided a long time ago ..

[texneker]

Please ask in advance if I say something wrong, but I read and heard that the KA-50/52 is wildly difficult to pilot, and difficult to master by the flight crew, somewhere I read that for flights on the Ka-52 and Ka-50 no one ranks lower the major is not allowed. IF this is so (and I do not claim that this is so, for which I bought it, like a grill, I sell it for that.), Then this is a BAD helicopter. Since a good weapon should be easy to use and learn. For example, according to everything that helicopter pilots told me about our American helicopters, learning to fly a Cobra is easier than an Apache.

How are you mercilessly minus, namesake!?
Cobra is the first (specialized) attack helicopter for fire support of ground forces (wound on the blades - 1 flight hours in that war), it was made for the Vietnam War and during it, therefore simple and massive, for those who like to watch, and not read a lot letters:
and so, if we already delve into the texts:
1. in conditions of intense combat, the overload experienced by the only pilot on the Ka-50 became obvious. Therefore, the two-seat Ka-52 was the solution to this problem;
2. The fanatical desire of the Kamovites to overtake all competitors in one fell swoop (an excellent veteran of the Mi-24 with its upgrades) and roll out a "new" version of the "car", with a bias towards reprofiling into a multifunctional one at the tactical and technical level;
3. General designer Sergey Mikheev set the task of developing the best in all respects, attack helicopter for the Russian Air Force, a ghostly idea of ​​​​an urgent victory in competitions;
And about potentials:
1. Internal:
- The armed forces of the Russian Federation have about 90 Ka-52 units. The Ka-52 groupings are deployed at the army aviation bases;
- in addition, every year the Russian army is replenished with more than a dozen new helicopters. It is planned to buy new Ka-52s for the Russian Aerospace Forces and increase the number to 200 combat and combat training vehicles;
2. Export:
- it was originally planned to adopt the deck versions of the "Alligators", for helicopter carriers of the type: "Mistral", which, alas, are not and will not be;
- however, the deterioration of military-political relations with the West has complicated the implementation of ambitious plans. Russian Helicopters Corporation partially reoriented to foreign markets;
- 46 Ka-52K helicopters were sold for the Egyptian armed forces. The manufacturer of the Ka-52 has all the prerequisites, to look cheerfully into the future of new orders and to engage in the next upgrades of the Alligator in export versions.

[Wildcat]

It is extremely interesting to observe how our military equipment is tested in combat conditions, what countermeasures the enemy uses.

- as if a person is writing from Android, and not from the Russian Federation 05 03 2022.

[Baron pardus]

As the saying goes, "All this, of course, is very noble, but what about bab-s?" Trucks and convoys with weapons and ammunition for the Ukronazis are moving freely from Poland. For some reason, your helicopter pilots don't do NICE to these convoys. The experience of our helicopter pilots in Iraq, where they shot GENERALLY everything that came from Iran, and did not look at what and how (ATGM or MANPADS can be loaded into a passenger car) is completely ignored. It is more than possible to block the land border with the forces of the Air Force and attack helicopters. Our Apaches and Cobras controlled almost completely the border with IRAN, and what penetrated into Iraq was a miserable stream. And your command allows unhindered GROUND, GROUND CARL, supply of the Armed Forces and ATGMs and MANPADS and howitzers and ammunition. This is either sabotage or inconsistency with the positions held. I am absolutely sure that your pilots are no worse than ours or the British. I am absolutely sure that the MI-28 in terms of performance characteristics is by no means worse than Apache or Cobra (the fact that there is no radar on the sleeve, I think it’s temporary, put it on). But the main thing is that the supply lines from Poland to the pig bandery have not been cut, the bridges have not been blown up. Roads are not destroyed, trucks and convoys are not destroyed. Look how in 1944 the USAAF and the British RAF chased single German cars, just as in 1941/42 the Luftwaffe chased single cars and wagons on the roads of the USSR. Has your command (not pilots, but command) decided to ignore even this experience? I don’t believe that “they say they didn’t know, they didn’t read books,” this is either a discrepancy with the positions held, or banal sabotage. I often hear that both in the General Staff of the Russian Federation and in Putin's entourage, there are agents of the United States and NATO .. ​​The farther the more inclined to believe this. Judging by the decisions made (or not made)

[Sergey Averchenkov]

The practical range of the MI-24 is about 500 km - so the questions are not for helicopters.

[Baron pardus]

I can pull at least as many pictures of your veterans. Many of them are in worse condition. By the way, I can say from personal experience that the ARMY keeps its word, and you get the promised benefits. Another thing is that after Iraq and Afghanistan, many of our guys have mental problems. At least - PTSD, as I had, as a maximum - something more serious. And in view of the large number of reasons (including that our stupid civilians are corny FEAR of veterans, and our culture is "take care of yourself, not others", however, you now have the same - destroying families and the soldier or officer who came, with surprise finds out that his wife or girlfriend does not want to deal with his problems and leaves him), our veterans are now feeling bad. We help fellow veterans as much as we can, but the civilians and the military are two COMPLETELY different societies in the US. However, I have read how your government threw your veterans with cries of "I did not send you to Chechnya." Before you offend the interlocutor, and gloat over the problems of our veterans, make sure that you are not worse.

By the way, I'm not an ersatz - Russian, I'm a TRUE THOROUGHBREED MISHLING.

[Babay Atasovich]

Quote: Baron Pardus

At least - PTSD, as I had, as a maximum - something more serious.

And cut down a lot in court?

[Babay Atasovich]

Quote: Baron Pardus

By the way, I'm not an ersatz - Russian, I'm a TRUE THOROUGHBREED MISHLING.

purebred half-breed?

[Baron pardus]

Didn't cut or cut anything. I received psychological help through VA. I was treated by a psychologist for half a year (without wheels, I just told him and he listened and suggested how to act, it helped a lot that he is also a veteran, served in the Air Force as a Combat Control Specialist, Pole. Golden soul man. We met twice a week, and on weekends he spent his time calling me to make sure I was okay and not going to kick anything). So why go to court? It is much easier to go and get HELP than money. Especially since my PTSD was pretty mild. Just at the slightest stressful situation, there was the wildest desire to shoot or stab the source of stress to hell. However, back in my youth, when I lived in the USSR, in Kyiv, I performed such "exploits" that I had a strong reputation as a scumbag psycho. But such are pleasing to the all-father Odin. Probably the only reason I'm alive and more or less unharmed-)

[Baron pardus]

Yeah :-) Self-irony. If my dad is a full-blooded Jew, and my mother is almost a full-blooded Russian (there is Kazakh blood, her grandfather was a Kazakh). To I am a purebred half-breed. So many times, back in the USSR, when I lived in Kyiv, they tried to humiliate me with the fact that I was half Jewish, that I began to brag about it. Purely to shut the mouths of their peers. Well, then it turned into a joke and self-irony. That is why I use the German word and not the Russian one.

[abc_alex]

And, you are one of those "wrong" Jews. :) I have a friend of the same. He always laughed at himself and his situation: here he is a Jew, and in Israel he is Russian :)
He said that he was also teased "...man is a Jew." He was offended until one day he suddenly realized for himself, well, yes, a Jew, and so what? And that one over there is Russian, that Belarusian, this Kazakh, and Tsoi is generally a Korean. Every person is of a certain nationality and teasing "...man is a Jew" is the same as teasing "...man is Michael" :)
And since then, he gave it to the neck only in case of emergency :)

[Baron pardus]

I am the wrong Jew. More specifically, the mishling. With the right physique. In Georgia and Armenia, and even in Kazakhstan, they took me for their own (especially in Georgia). In the USA I am mistaken for: Puerto Rican, Brazilian, Argentinian, Italian, Hungarian, Romanian, Jordanian, Syrian. Just such a face. The funniest thing is dad red and blue-eyed. Most of all it looks like ... an Englishman. Mother is a gray-eyed blonde. I am in grandfather Joseph and a little in great-grandfather Timur. The eyes are slightly slanted, the cheekbones are high, black straight hair, dark dark brown eyes. My grandfather, Joseph. Lost half of the family because of Bandera. He hated Ukrainians fiercely. Everyone. He repeatedly said that "Kovpak and Kozhedub are heroes, but for each of these heroes and patriots - 50 Nazi lackeys of Bandera." My grandfather told me that as soon as you hear the word "Zh ..", then the person who said it should be in the ambulance. And NOBODY says that you should send him there in a fair fight face to face." Which he did repeatedly. And then there was emigration - it was a SHOCK. Breaking the template. For some reason:
a) Since the Jews threw and framed and profited from each other - I went nuts. Arrive early, rent a hut for $500 and then, "acquainted" to re-let it to a newcomer who does not know local prices for $600 "this is the norm. Buying all the souvenirs from newcomers for pennies and reselling them for 3 tsenens is NORM. It was then that I told my grandfather "I'm starting to understand why they don't like us." And my grandfather only cursed.
b) Then the rabbis showed up. They molested for a long time, agitated to go to Israel (only everyone saw him in a coffin, no one wanted to fight, and live under the shelling of Palestinian terrorists too, "then the same rabbis said that they would arrange English lessons. Naturally, everyone came. Only we did not see English but they saw "religious frenzy to the sweet babble of a mandolin". When the rabbis began to talk about "God's chosen people, and about the divine destiny of the Jews to rule the world" (there is such a thing in the Torah and the Talmud, however, Muslims have the same), then I could not stand it, stood up and said, "Some have already said that they are "chosen ones" ended with the capture of Berlin, look how for such a bazaar everything would not end with the capture of Tel Aviv."
c) Arriving in America, we honestly said that they say they were traveling because of the economic situation and instability. Well, they gave several examples of anti-Semitism. But they refused to say that they left because we were not allowed to go to the synagogue. As a result, no assistance was received from HIAS. And others got it, and many then THROW THE CHIAS either by refusing to repay the debt, or by returning it at 5 bucks a month.
d) Local Jews quickly realized that no one would go to synagogues here, no one would give them money for synagogues, but everyone wants to use free and cheap services. Starting from extremely cheap, rocking chairs and various sports clubs, and other clubs (For example, amateur amateur performances, where the grandfather, taking a boyan, sang Soviet songs, to the horror of liberals - anti-Soviet people who were also enough) in the "jЕwish community service" 9JCC) and up to free doctors there . For example, I went to a club there where we glued models of aircraft and other equipment. For some time there was also a SAMBO section where I also went. When the local Jews realized that no one would go to synagogues, no one would give money, and even many were extremely reluctant to pay for the services of the JCC, then, although no one was kicked out of the JCC, we regularly received what we "goyim" were. Grandfather quickly found several veterans of the Second World War, both officers and privates, and they came to JCC, envy together, having escaped from their wives, play chess, dominoes, checkers, preference, drink a little (they brought vodka with them), eat in a cheap canteen and go for English lessons (fortunately at JCC they WAS very cheap - $ 50 for 3 months of lectures, 3 times a week). Grandfather went to the pool too. Yes, me and my parents too.
e) In the USA, if you tell someone that you are a JEW, then the next question is "What synagogue are you in?" If you do not go to the synagogue, then you are not a Jew, but a "goy and a khazer." (How now the prophetic Oleg is going to take revenge on the unreasonable hazeirs). Here the Jew is a RELIGION and Culture, and not a nationality. It was only in the USSR, the Republic of Ingushetia, Poland, and Nazi Germany that the Jew was a nationality. There are a lot of Ashkenazi Jews in the USA, they are fair-haired, light-skinned and light-eyed. They look like Germans and Scandinavians, but not at all like typical Jews. My dad, with his straight red hair, blue eyes, thin lips and nose - as I said he looks like an Englishman - he is Ashkenazi, like his mother, grandmother Maria. Dress your father in British uniform - you can shoot in the film. And grandfather Joseph, his father is a Sephardi. Dark-haired, dark-eyed, swarthy like an Armenian, short and wiry.
f) Grandfather Joseph spoke about himself - I am a SOVIET person of Jewish origin. And he raised me the same way. By the way, it was my grandfather at the beginning of 1991 who said, "Khan, it's time to tick, there will be no sense here. These" women without social responsibility "will plunder everything, ruin it, sell it, drink it away, and what they can’t steal and drink away, they will spoil. WELL, WE CAN'T WITHOUT STALIN We can't. after which there was a 6-story army mat. "Grandfather was also the wrong Jew. A portrait of Joseph Vissarionovich hung on the wall of an apartment in the USA.

[abc_alex]

Yeah ... It happened to you.
I can say that my friend, whom I talked about above, at the moment of emotional burnout (he is an excellent businessman, but apparently it is not given to him to figure out where is the steady demand and where is the market surge, because of which his life is a series of ups and falls) went to Israel. Three years later, he admitted that he was seriously considering the option of returning to Russia, to the Krasnodar Territory. I ask him:
- Misha, what are you doing? You liked it so much, you got up already ...
And he answers
I can't work with them!
:) :) :)

[Baron pardus]

Features of the Jewish mentality. Even the Jews themselves joke: "Two Jews - three opinions." Well, there is an old joke. A Jew ended up on a desert island, but nothing, settled down, found a cave, found edible fruits, feeds on hunting fish. God comes to him and says, “I can’t take you from the island, you have sinned. But I will fulfill any of your desires.” The Jew says to him, "Build me two synagogues." God says "Why two"? The Jew answers him: "I will go to one synagogue, and to another - out of principle - I will not, I will not agree with them."
But from experience I will say that the worst thing is to work with the Anglo-Saxons. Bores, crackers, and informers, hypocritical gossips, especially women. It is easiest to work with Poles, Hungarians, Serbs, Bulgarians, Italians, Irish and Negroes.

[fiv]

Are you a Mischling of the first or second degree? Using this concept is coquetry on your part?

[Baron pardus]

I am a 1st degree misling. 50% Jewish blood. The use of the German term - spitting in the face of those who tried to offend me on an ethnic basis, self-irony and trolling. Do you want to humiliate me? So I will not only use the German word, but I will be proud of it. Это примерно так же как негры, в США, начали использовать по отношению друг к друго слово Ниггер, (nigga), которые в устах других воспринимают как смертельное оскорбление. The most interesting thing is that I myself came to this, back in the USSR.

[fiv]

No, I didn't mean to humiliate you. I was wondering why you use this term with a lot of Nazi racial theories so much. Did you have problems with your nationality in the US? And one more thing (curiosity killed the cat!) - You said that you belong to the ultra-right. They don't pay attention to your blood? Naturally, you are dear to me, like any inhabitant of the planet. With the exception of individual peaceful dukes

[Baron pardus]

There are no problems, you did not say anything offensive to me. I have already said that I specifically use the German term. They wanted to humiliate me? So I'm still trolling. Уже писал что это абсолютно по случайности совпало с тем как негры в США, используют оскорбительное слово "ниггер", сами себя и друг друга им называя, просто как троллинг - вы хотите меня оскобить? Yes, I myself use this term. - HA. But for the well-known word of three letters, starting with Zh, I did everything so that the person who said this ended up in an ambulance.
In the USA, according to the serious TWO movements of the ultra right. Some are classic neo-Nazis. They are a minority, precisely because with their racial ideas they scare away not only non-whites, but also people of dubious Nordicity, for example, Italians, Spaniards, Portuguese, the same Indians, Asians. (many of these - either themselves went through Vietnam, or their parents - hate Asians fiercely). And even these - noses and skulls are not measured. They don't really look at the shape of the nose.
The second - most of all resemble the Italian or Spanish fascists. I belong to these. (Beyond the estate of the Stalinists). These can be described very briefly: anti-globalists, anti-corporate, hate multinational banks and corporations, while "We need to protect and support AMERICAN corporations", they also can not stand welfare workers, bandits and illegal immigrants. Even more hate those who came to the US and do not want to assimilate. That is, they are supporters of Unity and Unification around the STATE, the Constitution and the Flag. "We are not whites, we are not blacks and we are not Asians. We are not Anglo-Saxons, we are not Italians, we are not Mexicans - we are either Americans or we are not." If not - chumadan, the station and that shit hole where you came from. Hung a Mexican or Ukrainian flag there on your car or house? If your mexico or ukraine is so dear to you - chumadan station - benin's mother. The song “He is for an iron order, he is strictly dressed, he is almost without tattoos, mom is an intellectual. He saves Moscow from foreign infection.
In general, what I observe in the USA 150% confirms what both Mussolini and Hitler said. The vast majority of the far right are the proletariat (blue collar workers), white collar workers and the petty bourgeoisie. Go to any meeting of the same "Proud Guys" or "Historical Reenactors" - these are either owners of small businesses, or hard workers from small factories, or employees of small and medium-sized managers.
In the United States, most Jews - Ashkenazi - are fair-haired and light-eyed. So it is extremely difficult to determine ethnicity in the United States by face. You can easily confuse an Italian, a Spaniard, a Puerto Rican, and a Sephardi ... So here Jewry is a religion and tradition, and not a nationality. Although there are those who say "I am an ethnic Jew" - I am an ethnic Jew. But other Jews do not consider such Jews to be real Jews.
No, I didn't have any problems. Except because I'm Russian "You Russians have come here, taking our places in college and at work." Or "You Russians are constantly trying to conquer the world, you need to be completely destroyed."

[Titus_2]

Thank you for your opinion.. position, very interesting. You tell well enough, I will be glad if you write any article.

[Yuri V.A]

There are no agents in the inner circle, just effective managers are in uniform

[Babay Atasovich]

Quote: Baron Pardus

Trucks and convoys with weapons and ammunition for the Ukronazis are moving freely from Poland. For some reason, your helicopter pilots don't do NICE to these convoys.

You missed the news about the name of the operation somewhere That's Iraq and leveled the city to the entrance of the infantry. Well, in other things, like everywhere else, NATO first mixes everything and everyone with the ground

[Baron pardus]

Certainly. We try to take care of the soldiers, so they don't stand on ceremony with strangers. It's better to have 1000 aliens, civilians or not, go to hell than one American soldier. Therefore, at first, cities are bombed so that the 8th USAAF air army from World War II quietly cries on the sidelines, and white phosphorus, cluster munitions, and volumetric explosion ammunition are used, then artillery and mortars work out, and only THEN infantry enters the city under the cover of armor, and work under the motto "who did not hide - we are not to blame." The task of a soldier is to achieve his goals and return home safe and sound. These goals do not include the protection of the enemy "civilian" population. Nothing personal, but better you than me."

[Babay Atasovich]

There is nothing new from your comment.

[Lech from Android.]

Flattening cities with carpet bombing is not very smart... I am against such methods... no matter how well-intentioned they are not justified.
Millions of our Russian people live in Ukraine, intimidated by the Nazis ... they must be freed from the fear of death, they must be motivated to fight Bandera, Nazism ... why kill civilians, what's the point?
No, baron... things won't work like that... life in the USA is somewhat different from life in Russia.
We have a human life all the same value and not garbage.

[Baron pardus]

I'm sorry Sir, I don't think I agree with you. For several reasons. A) those living in Banderastan who did NOT AGREE with the Urkonatsiks sold their huts and left. Who is in Russia, and who is in Poland or somewhere else. Since the people remained in Banderlogia, it means that he is not too opposed to what is happening. b) Here you, Sir, say that, they say, your human life is worth something. Do you seriously believe this? When your retirement age was raised, and healthcare is systematically destroyed (but they build 3 churches a day), and this is written not in the USA, but in RUNET, even in fairly loyal sources, such as Rusvesna. Even the rather loyal Yulin and Semin say the same thing - that the oligarchs and bureaucrats do NOT care about ordinary people. And just as the Russians killed each other in gang wars in the 90s, the blacks of the bandits from Chicago and Detroit cry with envy. My wife told, and her dad confirmed that when she was 13 years old, some people were sitting on a bench about 20-30 steps from her. White, not Caucasian. A car drove up and they blasted him point-blank from a sawn-off shotgun, in the head. In broad daylight. We rarely see this even in the densest ghetto in Detroit. About how your officials say "The state did not ask you to give birth, it does not owe you ANYTHING," they also wrote directly on this resource. So I can't believe that your government values ​​the lives of its citizens. From the word at all. In our army, soldiers are protected not so much out of humanism, but out of economic considerations: not only is a soldier trained (after training, which is 10 weeks, and also 10-16 weeks of training at MOS), the Army pays a lot of money for injuries or death. It is simply NOT FAVORABLE for an army to lose soldiers. Therefore, we are wildly kicked that no matter how hot and stuffy it is - always a helmet and body armor and other means of protection must be worn.
It is simply cheaper for the army to bomb the city into ruins along with the population than to pay compensation for 500-600 dead + wounded. Moreover, there is something else. Soldiers tend to tell civilians, at least briefly, what and how. And rest assured, heavy losses will be reported. What does it mean? That fewer people will come to be recruited, that is, a shortage of personnel. And this cannot be allowed. That is why we prefer to demolish the city with everyone who is there, than to suffer serious losses.
By the way, that is why many of ours have problems after going into civilian life. You CANAL do not perceive people who do not wear uniforms as "their own". Because for a long time, as your own, you recognize only those who are in our form. The rest are strangers, potential enemies and targets. And if in the Army, for example, you are wounded, or something else, the first military man will give you a drink, bandage you and drag you to your own. Even if he is not something from another battalion, even if he is a marine, or there is Air force battle control, and you are a soldier - he will pull him out, help, bandage his wounds. All theirs. And in civilian life - you feel bad, let's say a heart attack. No one will even come up - they are afraid. Because they think that you are either on drugs or catching on chewing gum, they will come to you to help and you will pull out a knife or a barrel and rob (there were precedents). So once again - I don’t think that your own citizens are valued at all, but with us, the army appreciates you not because they are such humanists (although, of course, it is unpleasant for many officers to lose soldiers, especially whom they know well. Our captain openly cried when the sergeant with whom he served for 10 years was hit in the head by a mine fragment and killed.) but simply for economic and political reasons. Moreover, the war with high losses, the end of the president's career, and no one needs this. By the way, statistically, in Iraq and even Afghanistan, it was safer than in Detroit and many US cities. Statistically, you are more likely to be shot in Detroit, Chicago, New York, Baltimore, Los Angeles and other cities (in certain areas) than to be killed in Iraq or Afghanistan.

[Lech from Android.]

The problem of losses in the war is a separate issue ... not everything is so smooth in civil society ... if, for example, I didn’t value human life, if I didn’t have moral brakes, how would I differ then from Dirlinvager’s murderers or ISIS thugs or the murderers of the right-wingers of Ukraine... believe me, if these brakes fail, it will be bad for everyone.
The USA has enough spawned people who have no remorse for killing people ... Empires that live off the death of millions of people will inevitably collapse, as happened with the Roman Empire, with the Third Reich of Germany ... The USA is following the same path ... it's just It's a question of time.

[Baron pardus]

It's not that "the United States has produced people without brakes." You know, I have always had very few moral brakes. From childhood I got used to the fact that if you are insulted, humiliated or something else, you need to mutilate in response. So that others would be disrespectful. Your words got me thinking. I think that you, Sir, are right about the lack of moral brakes. Back in the 1st grade, when I had a fight with a classmate, I managed to bite through the top of his head (because I read that there are the weakest bones) and almost pulled out a piece of meat from his neck with my teeth. It was still when I went to school 222. I have very few brakes. There is no desire to maim or kill someone, from the word at all. It's much more fun for me to read books, play video games, listen to good metal, play bass, smoke cannabis or something and fly into deep space. But I answer all the problems as cruelly and harshly as possible. Just so they don't repeat themselves. True, as a result, he often specifically raked. Happenes. Comes with the territory. Purely on instinct, it turns out by itself. By the way, when I joined the Odinists, already here, in the USA, different MODs told me more than once or twice that I was Ulfhednar. However, when I met a Cherokee girl (I lived in Chicago then, and here is a huge cultural center of the Indians, exactly not far from Truman College), I talked a lot with the Indians. After all, I spent almost 3 years with her. So I was told more than once or twice that a wolf or a coguar lives in me. The devil knows, maybe these shamans all see something that others do not see. I generally respect the ancient religions. I think we lost a lot when we abandoned our origins. And I mean all of us.

I'm just waiting for the moon to come and set me free
And I'm just waiting for moonlight and then my eyes you can see
I'm just waiting for the moon to come and set me free
Because the moonlight can release me from my misery
Hide my face in the day
Tonight I'll set myself free
I'm addicted too moonlight
Run with the wind, feel the wet in the air
A pleasure for me and my distorted soul

[Usher]

Nonsense, you will get hit in the face several times, a wolf or a wild boar will immediately come out of you.

[Baron pardus]

I'm not arguing with you, sir. But let me remind you of the old Ukrainian proverb "While the fat one loses weight, the thin one will die." I don’t know who will be the first to cover themselves with a copper basin - Russia, or the USA with Geyropa. The question is not "If", but WHEN. I don’t know which of our countries will be the first to come with a mysterious huge beast under the Chinese name (see the series of books “Ordus”), but there is no doubt that China will stand when all, ABSOLUTELY ALL countries, ambets comes.

[Babay Atasovich]

I see the guidelines have changed. Develop!

Quote: Baron Pardus

My wife told, and her dad confirmed that when she was 13 years old, some people were sitting on a bench about 20-30 steps from her. White, not Caucasian. A car drove up and they blasted him point-blank from a sawn-off shotgun, in the head. In broad daylight. We rarely see this even in the densest ghetto in Detroit.

And where did you race Apache with your 13 year old wife in the 90s? Or in the zero in Syria?
In broad daylight, you really don’t kill white people, only black ones.

[Baron pardus]

When my wife was 13 years old, she lived in Sergiev Posad, and I, already in the USA, I am 12 years older than her :-). Read what they write, she told me, and her dad confirmed. Before you excel in irony, read carefully. I left in 1991. My wife Alice (which makes me Cat-Basilio, since she is red and her name is Alice, then Lisa-Alice, I then pass as Cat Basilio), came to the USA with her parents when she was 17 years old. We met when I flew home on vacation. We got married as soon as I returned from the Army. So I know what happened there in the 90s not only from what I read, not only from the stories of my relatives from Podolsk, Krasnoyarsk, Novosibirsk, Vladimir, but also from the stories of my wife’s relatives, and her relatives, and they are from Sergiev Posad . I have NEVER flown an Apache. I'm in the army, MOS 68 whiskey. Where did you get the idea that I flew Apaches? Where did I write this? Why are you telling lies?
I will tell you a secret. Whites don't go to shit ghetto areas. And do not hunt blacks. Both the Negroes and, to a lesser extent, the Meks, quite calmly regulate their numbers themselves. If "black lives mattered" then they would matter to blacks themselves. And so - being shot for wearing the same colors, and accidentally drove into another district - the norm. Accidentally getting shot during a drive by when a group of some asphalt natives, half-blindly shooting in the general direction of another group of asphalt natives - not even aiming very much - is also the norm. Generally funny. Once the Negroes were freed from slavery and given civil rights, what did they do? Correctly divided into tribes (people's nation and folks nation), and ... continued tribal wars - a glorious African tradition that continues in Africa to this day.

[Babay Atasovich]

I'm not up to you now. They blew up a whole branch of my relatives .... Good luck to you!

[Baron pardus]

I'm sorry. I hope everyone is alive and there are no serious injuries.

[Dizel200]

A) and if someone could not or nowhere to go. Or does he love his country? C) human life is not valued anywhere and the example from the 90s is cunning. C) if about 100-200 American citizens were "delayed" in the city, would you still plow the city with phosphoric and voluminous ones?

[Baron pardus]

There is always somewhere to go. I personally know a man who returned to Russia from the USA in 2001, although he had NOBODY there. I personally know families who, after looting and riots of all liberal scum in 2019-2020, returned to Russia, Belarus and even Ukraine. Do you love your homeland? Well, if a country where the followers of Nazi lackeys are in power, not Nazis but Nazi lackeys is your homeland, then this is psychiatry.

I do not know. Honestly. If ordered, yes. First of all, there is no choice. Secondly, the responsibility is on the one who gave this order. If the order is considered wrong and criminal, the officer who issued it, and not the soldiers and sergeants, will go on trial. As we say, orders are discussed AFTER they are executed. But I do not think that such an order will be given. Because this is a political scandal - American citizens are killed by the fire of the American army. Politicians will blame everything on the military, colonels and generals, and the military also value their careers. And I, as an enlisted personal, Generally reluctant to get to Fort Leavenworth. And for failure to comply with the order, this is precisely what shines. So there will be an order - I don’t think that there will be many people in the US Armed Forces who will not execute this order. Especially soldiers and sergeants. Soldiers and sergeants can thunder under the tribunal for killing someone without an order (and then, as a rule, they get off with a slight fright), but if there is an order, then you can easily thunder under the tribunal if you don’t execute it. But then they will slap you on the most do not indulge. This is an ARMY, not an institute for noble maidens. I don't think you have any other rules.

[Dizel200]

That's why we are different. And the attitude to human life is different. Of course, you have the right to your opinion in this situation, but we also see how Banderlog implement it, being trained by your own mentors. Like covering up with civilians, bombing him and other nice buns to save your life.

[maksbazhin]

Quote: Baron Pardus

those living in Banderastan who did NOT AGREE with the Urkonatsiks sold their huts and left. Who is in Russia, and who is in Poland or somewhere else. Since the people remained in Banderlogia, it means that he is not too opposed to what is happening.

Unfortunately, for the majority, either the mentality does not allow them to leave, or because of the same age of their own or relatives, there may be some other personal reasons, but for many there is simply no need. And burying them in the ground is such an idea. You don’t think that there are a lot of Nazis there, there are millions of inhabitants, and tens of thousands are ideologically fighting with Russia, so don’t bury everyone else. In the end, we are not fighting for land and resources (there are enough of our own), we are at war with the regime.

[Baron pardus]

"The war should bring profit to the state: territory, population, resources, indemnities. Or protect its territory, population and resources. Otherwise, such a war is useless" - Otto Von Bismarck. By the way, ROME went bankrupt precisely because of the warriors who did not bring profit. The United States is ruined precisely in the same wars. Yes, the Military Industrial Complex makes a profit, but the STATE AND THE TREASURY do not. The war should bring more to the country than the country has spent. Therefore, the losers lose territory, and they are still put on the loot - to pay indemnities. And this is TRUE. War is expensive, and the treasury is not bottomless. Resources, economic, human, they are not endless. So Bismarck was RIGHT, a hundred times right. Why did we climb into Iraq? We did not receive oil. Contributions were not taken. The soldiers and officers swindled, the Baghdad museum was looted, and everything from there turned out to be on the black market. The country, as such, did not receive a CENT of profit. They didn’t even seem to have received permanent bases for our Navy. Afghanistan - they did not receive deposits of rare earth metals. Contributions too. Nafiga got there? If the war does not protect your resources and does not generate income - it is useless. It is these wars that weakened Rome, it is these wars that weaken the United States.

[maksbazhin]

I understand that you will now smile, but I personally believe that we are now, among other things (in addition to destroying an openly hostile regime), preventing a more serious war, if not a third world war, but what is happening will cool hot heads in NATO headquarters. Yes, NATO will now receive an impetus to development, but they will think ten times whether it is possible to apply the Yugoslav scenario to Russia.

[Baron pardus]

I will not smile. There is no reason for fun. The older I get, the more Russian I feel. As Putin said - whoever feels Russian - he is Russian. So I really want you to be all right. ALL YES. I repeat - have fun. I have no reason. Serious problems will soon begin in you - they will choke you with sanctions, and you destroyed your industry under the cries of Gaidar and Gref "Let's sell everything for scrap, we will sell oil and gas, and we will buy what we need" ... Everyone understood that this was idiocy, at least At least my grandfather understood, and he is far from being an economist. But your "economists" (azohn Wei, my boyars with such economists) did not understand a thing, and led the country to the point that you cannot even make not very complex processors like "Elbrus". Even ship diesels, which were EXCELLENT in the USSR, you have lost technology. Your "leaders" generally made mistakes on mistakes. The United States played checkers with you, and you played with them in a giveaway, judging by the results.
The United States wanted to provoke a war in Banderostan, they achieved their goal. The United States wanted the Geyrosoyuz, to its own detriment, to adopt sanctions that hit the European Union - they achieved their goal. The United States wanted to expose Russia as an aggressor, to get its NATO vassals to increase military spending - they achieved it. The United States wanted Scandinavia to join NATO because of "Russian aggression" - the process has begun. You have been REALLY outplayed. Why?
But because from the very "nezalezhnost" Banderostan, your residents do not know what they were picking and where, only the farther the more Banderlog became nationalist and Nazi. Your agents did not do any work, they only sent up "victorious reports" about the "normal and friendly mood of the fraternal Ukrainian people towards the people of Russia", although, if not stupid people, they knew that this was not so, but, cherishing their careers, they sent positive reports to the top. Approximately like the Pisek Gendarmes from Schweik, they clearly knew that "the soldiers promise not to let themselves be killed for the glory of the Sovereign Emperor," but they sent reports upstairs that the population was inspired and full of patriotic impulses. Your career is more valuable. Schweik is a brilliant book. So, yours filled up all the campaigning and diplomatic work on Banderlogia, each subsequent president was a bigger Nazi than the previous one, and your agents of influence did nothing. And when it was too late, they got the Nazi putsch of 2014. Well, then it's a matter of technology. In the US media - "Ukraine received freedom, the triumph of democracy, democracy and equality" that's what they were shouting about. And now "Evil followers of Stalin attacked a small but independent and proud country with a rich history, culture and heritage." You were tritely outplayed, thanks to gouging and indifferent and professional unsuitable cretins, whom you put 20 years ago in the role of agents of influence and diplomats in Banderastan. Cadres are everything.

[akarfoxhound]

This is the difference, for us there is no "enemy civilian population" in Ukraine. Many people have half of their relatives living there. Propaganda did its job, Hitler in 3 years, at the level of those media, made zombies out of the population., And here the Pentagon info-professionals worked for 8 years.

[Aleksey Aleksandrovich]

Certainly. We try to take care of the soldiers, so they don't stand on ceremony with strangers.

Isn't it a pity to turn women and children into minced meat? So, purely human?
After all, to be fair, neither Iraq, nor Afghanistan, nor Libya, nor Serbia threatened American women and children in any way.
Who did not hide, I am not to blame .... So the moral reason and act.

[Baron pardus]

Not sorry. At all. It's not "theirs". Here we are not specifically hunting for civilians. Although there are scumbags. So when I shot, I didn’t even think about who was there. This is a potential enemy who wants to kill me, cripple me, and kill and cripple my friends and buddies. You are specifically stamped with brains in training, and before being sent to Iraq or somewhere else they explain everything intelligibly. In training, they openly tell you that they are preparing a killer with a switch from you. When you need to turn on the predator mode, when not needed - turn it off. That is what mental processing in the US military is trying to achieve. Something tickles in the head - and you are nothing more than a system for guiding and transporting your weapons. You become almost a machine. "We don't need heroes, we need professionals who skillfully do their JOB." Then this mode is turned off. Well, prepare for what you have to face. And in pictures. For example, we were shown a picture from Iraq, from our checkpoint. 3 guys in minced meat. It is still in front of my eyes. Burnt mince. It is not known where one guy ends and the other begins .. Yes, a lot of this type was shown. And the sergeant says, "They let the locals get too close to them, and those were wearing martyr's belts. Do you want to be in the same form? Let the devil know who is closer to you." By the way, both a woman and a child can throw a grenade, and shoot, and put on a martyr's belt. "Sorry, but my life and my limbs, eyes and other spare parts are more precious to me. Nothing personal. I did not ask to go to Iraq and Afghanistan, but I will do EVERYTHING to return from there safe and sound. And I don't care what I have to do. Nothing personal , but better you than me". That's about the mentality of 85% of the soldiers. The wise die first. Often from frags from their own (if there are no brains and they begin to say that they will snitch about what is happening in the newspapers and the prosecutor's office, no one wants to thunder in Fort Leavenworth). Thugs ... well, yes, there are. Personally, even when completely stoned, it would not have occurred to me to urinate or defecate on corpses, to pull gold crowns and teeth out of their mouths. They are already dead, they are not dangerous. Why all this? But, unfortunately, I will say that we also have such a contingent in the Armed Forces. Yes, and you. Psychos are everywhere, and the capitalist society is PRODUCING psychos. By the way, unfortunately, you also have capitalism.

[astronom1973n]

Certainly. We try to take care of the soldiers, so they don't stand on ceremony with strangers. It's better to have 1000 aliens, civilians or not, go to hell than one American soldier. Therefore, at first, cities are bombed so that the 8th USAAF air army from World War II quietly cries on the sidelines, and white phosphorus, cluster munitions, and volumetric explosion ammunition are used, then artillery and mortars work out, and only THEN infantry enters the city under the cover of armor, and work under the motto "who did not hide - we are not to blame." The task of a soldier is to achieve his goals and return home safe and sound. These goals do not include the protection of the enemy "civilian" population. Nothing personal, but better you than me."

It's like that. Only when the Americans and co. destroy cities with carpet bombing is it fair and right, and the whole world sits on the priest evenly. And if God forbid, we will do it all. The howl will be incredible. Is this fair and unambiguous?

[Baron pardus]

The United States wanted to spit on the "opinion of the progressive public" from a high bell tower, and if someone blurts something in the United States, they will immediately accuse him of: slander, anti-Americanism, lack of patriotism, and the career of a man - khan. Or maybe worse. Here's some kind of heifer will say that "he raped me 10 years ago" and Khan. And why? The United States is military and economically strong, no matter what you say. State debt? Don't care, make us return it. How do you force a country to repay a debt that will smash your country into dust and not notice. Or a particularly brave and independent politician will be destroyed politically. How they destroyed POLITICALLY De Gaulle by organizing an "orange revolution" and "student protests" for him. For what? For the fact that he demanded the return of French gold from the United States. By the way, when John F. Kennedy demanded that the Federal Reserve obey the constitution - under which only CONGRESS can issue currency... We all know what happened to John. Magic bullet flying in zigzags. When you are strong, you sneeze at everyone. The USSR did not care about everyone, because it was a superpower, powerful and economically military. And Russia, unfortunately, is NOT the USSR. If only the USSR had stayed, my family would have fled here. It was good for us in the USSR too. True, we were seriously planning to leave Ukraine. We thought to Novosibirsk or Krasnoyarsk.

[astronom1973n]

State debt? Don't care, make us return it. How do you force a country to repay a debt that will smash your country into dust and not notice. Or a particularly brave and independent politician will be destroyed politically. How they destroyed POLITICALLY De Gaulle by organizing an "orange revolution" and "student protests" for him. For what? For the fact that he demanded the return of French gold from the United States.

Great words!!! This is the position of the United States and I dream that these words will be voiced to the whole world! Show that the United States did not care about morality, rights and laws! But the whole world has pots on its head! If they do not understand that the United States is an arrogant and immoral state.

[Baron pardus]

Everyone understands everything, Sir (sorry, for the American treatment, I got used to it, and even after 6 years in the army). That is why even American senators and generals, when they are in service, say ONE thing (so as not to harm their careers) and when they retire, SAVSEM says something else. Same with the Gay European vassals of the US. Everyone understands everything, but your own career is more expensive. And then, then Germany, then France, then someone else, no, no, and they will put a small stick in the wheels of the Americans. For example, they will close their airspace for American bombers from England, and they must fly around and refuel in the air. By the way, gay allied politicians and the military (except for the Hungarians, so sneeze at everyone), they also say ONE thing (career is more expensive) until they come out to the song, and when SAVSEM retires, another thing. Furthermore. When German officers began to say that the dominance of "refugees" from the Middle East and Africa, who do not want to assimilate, learn German, work, but with enviable regularity rob, rape, beat and sit on welfare, the liberals raised a howl, they say "Nazism raises its head" and many officers were injured. In France, it was the same. After that, the same Germans began to scratch their turnips and also say, "But Hitler was far from mistaken in everything." But quietly, so that no one hears - no one needs problems with a career, no one wants to lose their job. And this fear of losing a job keeps the people on a leash no worse than the Gestapo. But everyone votes anonymously, and money is sent to the "alternative for Germany" alternatively. For example, I sent them 50 bucks last year. Like my other "teammates in historical reconstruction."

[astronom1973n]

Thank you for your position.

[Jager]

so that with strangers do not stand on ceremony. It's better to have 1000 aliens, civilians or not, go to hell than one American soldier. Therefore, first the cities are bombed

Here it is, concentrated FASCISM! That's whose system nurtured Banderastan.
Where does the NATO scum fit in when they are not asked - everywhere is deceit, death and destruction!
"Outsiders" are those who came to a foreign land to rob and kill under the slogans of "freedom and democracy". Yes, the Americans would sit behind their puddle and live in peace. But no, the greedy gut of capitalism cannot exist without blood!

[Baron pardus]

Excuse me, do you still believe in "proletarian internationalism"? Did the Great Patriotic War teach you anything? Chechen did not teach anything? "Russians, don't leave, we need slaves." Didn't your attitude towards Russians in the Caucasus (open genocide), Moldova and the Baltic states (cultural genocide) and in Banderlogia teach you ANYTHING?

And stop showing political illiteracy. FASCISM is UNITY, from the Italian word fashi - a bunch of rods and branches - FASHION. That is how it is translated. UNITY around YOUR STATE "Everything is in the state, no one is outside the state, nothing is against the state." "I have no Catalans, Aragonese, Castilians, Basques - we are all Spaniards" are the words of General Franco. Mussolini said the same thing, and said it first. Fascism is an association of the population and DIFFERENT classes (the proletariat, the bourgeoisie, capital and farmers) around the STATE and IDEOLOGY. He denies the class struggle, but understands the need for a good standard of living not only for the capitalists and the bourgeoisie, but also for the petty bourgeoisie and the proletariat. No wonder in Italy, until Mussoini got involved in the war, he was adored. It is the proletariat and the petty bourgeoisie. He gave social guarantees to some, protected others from the mafia, tritely breaking her back. By the way, the biggest Italian anti-fascists are the surviving mafiosi. In France and Greece and Serbia, it was the Communists. And in Italy there are a lot of unfinished mafioso. It turned out extremely funny. They helped the Americans during the invasion, and immediately went back to their old ways, only the Americans did not understand the joke and ... they shot them corny.

That's what fascism is, and that's exactly what Benya Mussolini had in mind (he, by the way, is a descendant of marans - Jewish conversions, as well as General Franco, and Fidel Castro, and Che Guevara). This is a CONTRACT, between different classes. When exploitation decreases, the standard of living of the proletariat rises, but capital retains financial strength, and the STATE regulates capitalists, the petty bourgeoisie, and the proletariat with a stern hand. "We are all in the same boat, and it is up to us that our boat does not sink." Do not confuse fascism with national socialism. Cutlets - separately, flies separately. Fascism is a CORPORATE state, but the first violin is played there not by capitalists and bankers, but by the military and ideologists. If Mussolini had not gotten involved in the war against the USSR, he would have been adored by most of his citizens and would have ruled until the 70s, like General Franco. And Antonio Salzar (Portuguese fascist leader). Even when I lived in the USSR, there were two types of people for me: ours are Soviet, and all the rest are NOT OURS. My grandfather perfectly told me what the "Czech brothers", "Bulgarian brothers", "Polish brothers" (the home army that attacked our soldiers) cost, but the Hungarians and Romanians created a reputation for themselves during the Great Patriotic War. I didn’t understand who was of what nationality in the USSR (although I didn’t like Ukrainians, but they did EVERYTHING for this, and then I had Ukrainian friends, though few, but they were).

Of course, Fascism to Stalinist Socialism is about the same as from purgatory to Paradise. Closer than from hell to heaven (SOUTH OF HEAVEN), but also very far away. This is non-negotiable.

[Jager]

And what about "proletarian internationalism"?
Let it be known to you, in the USSR, the bearers of the ideology of National Socialism, fascism and other nationalist filth were simply called fascists.
How cleverly you jumped from the topic to terms and definitions.
Yes, I believe in the friendship of peoples.
Among my acquaintances there are Armenians, Georgians, representatives of the Central Asian republics, a Jewish neighbor. I worked with foreigners - Germans, French, Poles. All great guys. And I worked with Westerners who painted swastikas on construction helmets. What is nationalism could tell my great-grandfather, who went through the First World War, Civil War, Great Patriotic War and fought Bandera gangs after it.
So it’s not for you to explain to me what fascism is and not for those refugees whom I helped.

[Sadam]

Hmm interesting character. You are too erudite for a former army man. If they lived in Kyiv, then probably some contacts remained there, literally everyone began to hate the Russians - to clean them all up? How do you see it all over? Listen to Rusveshnu and Fox and snn all sides of propaganda, the head will explode and there is not so much time.

[Baron pardus]

I am answering the questions. Unlike the stereotype, everyone joins the US Army. Starting with those who simply do not have enough money for college and do not want to get involved in the yoke of debt.

The Army made me an offer that neither the Air Force, nor the Navy, nor the Coast Guard gave me - training as a military medic and a GUARANTEE that I will be one. (In the USA, you are guaranteed training in your specialty, but they do not guarantee that you will work in this specialization. There was a man in our platoon - he completed his training as a firefighter in order to become a firefighter in civilian life, but after graduating from MOS, he was told that they say there were vacancies no fireman, here's M240 - enjoy life. And the Army said "No problem, we guarantee you will be a field medic (field Medic), it's another matter that these bad people did not tell me WHERE they would send me with this profession :-). so sent :-), radishes.

By the way, what does your army give to those who have served? NOTHING. Figu with butter. Do you want to say that "smart people don't go to the army"? Why are you running into your own officers and sergeants. They, like me, are volunteers. So they shouldn't be read too? By the way, in our army, even during the service, you can take classes on the Internet. For example, mathematics, and others where laboratory work is not needed. And many - take. Especially those who are NOT in hostilities, they have time.
I have no one left in Kyiv. I lost contact with my classmates. The first two years they wrote to each other, and then the answers simply stopped coming - their choice. But in RUSSIA I still have relatives and friends, and my wife is Russian.
Let me remind you again. In Ukraine, I often had conflicts on ethnic grounds. I had to create a reputation for a psycho-thug, and maintain it. And only after I almost thundered like a youngster, and twice, they left me behind. Once, when a high school student who repeatedly beat me, threatening me with a knife, beat me and snatched 3 rubles, I very successfully planted him on a ski pole in the stomach. Thanks to the grandfather - he smeared it. The second time, also a high school student beat me regularly, insulting not only me and my father, but also my mother "Litter Zh-ovskaya", I broke his knee from behind with reinforcement. Again, the grandfather smeared. I was transferred to another school. There, I also had to explain to one frame that he was wrong, with a stump in the back of the head. Only then did they leave. By the way, the girl with whom I was friends and started dating when I was 15 and she was 13, her classmates also called her names because "she meets a Jew." I had to pay a courtesy visit to her school too.

My father was told at the Kiev Conservatory "While I am the rector here, all sorts of Iosifovichi will not study with me." Uncle Alik in the KPI, just before being drafted into the army, when he passed the entrance exams, at 5, 5, 4, they said "Skip at the offensive rotsi, examining ne treba", and laughed at the same time. His wife was told "Ukraine needs national personnel." Guess where they were all admitted to universities - Uncle Alik was accepted in MINSK, without a retake. My father was accepted in Vladimir, without a retake, my aunt was accepted in NOVGOROD - without a retake.
In addition, during my childhood and youth, I practically did not spend a single summer in Kyiv. We rested in the Moscow region (Silicate), in Vladimir, were in Novgorod, Sochi, Lisilidze, Novosibirsk, Krasnoyarsk (there are relatives of my mother), but there were many places, more than once or twice. In Abkhazia, Grussi and Armenia, they generally took me for their own. Even in Kazakhstan (my mother had a Kazakh grandfather). I have not had a single conflict on an ethnic basis, either in Russia, or in Belarus, or in Georgia, anywhere. AT ALL. Only in Ukraine. Therefore, my attitude towards Ukrainians in general and Ukraine in particular is approximately the same as that of the average Afghan of the 19th century, towards the British. I haven't forgotten anything and I haven't forgiven anything. My dad, by the way, too. And the grandfather, whose not the Germans, but the Banderlogs killed half of the family, hated them even more than the Germans. His relatives who died in the war were killed by the Germans in battle. But the Ukrainians simply hanged his brother, together with his wife and 3 children. Grandfather volunteered after the war to participate in the operation against Bandera gangs. Revenge. Nastil on the Red Star.
Moreover, already in the USA, I heard the speeches of a dedugan who managed to escape from the Lvov ghetto and join the partisans. So, according to him, the Ukrainians committed more atrocities than even the Germans. It is a well-known fact that after the capture of Lvov, the WEhrmacht was forced to protect the Jews from their Ukrainian neighbors. It is a well-known fact that the Ukrobanderites were so harassed that their SS was forced to shoot them for "Excessive cruelty towards prisoners and civilians." And not one or two, including high-ranking ones.
As my grandfather said, "For every hero like Kovpak or Kozhedub, there are 50 Bandera scum, traitors and sadists. Two Ukrainians are a partisan detachment, 3 Ukrainians are a partisan detachment + a traitor." So I have no sympathy for the ukromrazi, and for those Jews who have forgotten their past, and for those RUSSIAN who have forgotten who they are (there is one "smart Ukrainian" by the name of Silin, who crucified that they said that in Odessa there were few "titushki" burned, you need there were more "although ethnically Russian). So for me - Banderastan can be safely poured
napalm, and topped with sarin. The world won't get any worse than this.
By the way, I don’t see that the Russian army was greeted with Bread / Salt. Crimea -2 did not work. (for which you need to give your analysts a demand, they obviously didn’t expect such resistance, and such support for the Armed Forces of Ukraine and the National Battalions from civilians who have been brainwashed since 1991). But the Wehrmacht with bread and salt - they met in Lviv, and in Kyiv, and in Kharkov. "By their deeds, judge them."

I say again - normal people fled from Ukraine. Just like the Germans, who disagree with Hitler, make sense of Germany, who goes where. And there remained either Bandera, or sympathizers, or "myahatazkrayu" who will be equally disposed to the Russians, and to the Ukrainians, and to the Germans, and to the Martians, if only they had a normal life on their farm.
My hands are tired of typing. About how "civilians" feed, and warm, and equip and treat both the Armed Forces of Ukraine and the national battalions. How the videos are recorded in English "Help As Against Putin & Russian Invaders", but here is the video with the protests "The Armed Forces of Ukraine and the National Battalions are hiding behind us, using us as shields, the USA, the UN, the European Union, HELP", these videos are just not there.
By the way, the mothers of the National Battalion collected "Pences for the harness, Schaub the son of piishov will be serparive, she will go home and the TV show, she will be a holdylnyk, she will dress, the dead separas will not need this." Here is your "civilian population". Russians in Odessa, by the way, were burned not by the Armed Forces of Ukraine, but by "they were children." They went to the National Battalion to kill Russians in Dobas ... you will be surprised, they are also civilians. "For the murder, they give a sentence to the killer, and to the one who gave the killer a pistol, and those who were sheltered by the killer, dressed, fed and treated. So there are no innocents there. There are those who earned ONE tower, those who earned 20 towers, and those who earned 10-20 years of hard labor for complicity in the genocide, cultural and physical of the Russian people.
If you, sir, do not understand all this, then Donbass will be repeated again and again.

The further the more I am convinced of the correctness of the meme, from the Chechen times, in which Adolf Hitler looks at modern Russia and says "I never taught them anything."

[Sadam]

OK, why are you interested in returning to this site. This is not a section of history ... and the truth is to look for here, well, so-so .. they will roll it into a pancake. The army gave me hatred for the bearded. Term 94-96. Now I do not perceive Kadyrov's scumbags. Never been to a Ukrainian. From Nakhodka. There relatives call crying. You Jews have your own fairy tales, but to me small about Ilya Muromets and Dobrynya from Chernigov, the oldest Slavic city, which is now liberated by 500kg bombs. Roared the first few days then got used to it. And relatives here and there for every second. This is not a Chechen war. It is in Syria Aleppo the Terrible Whether it is tens of thousands of roofing felts, hundreds, no one delved into the carpet bombings, cluster bombs, phosphorus ...
Yes, they messed up firewood and played geopolitics. This can be discussed over cognac and a cigar about Novorossia about 8 years about Nacef about a pianist ... all these are games in geopolitics. People are slugs. As long as it doesn't affect you personally. The tragedy is that they swear the same way and shout "Russians do not give up" from both sides of the trench.
It's not all right.
That Ukrainians are nationalists and do not like Jews and blacks, yes it is a fact. The Russians do the same. Now they have gone crazy on growing TV. Before, about 5-30% about Azov, and now all Ukrainians must be nullified with such resistance. I want to understand why there is such hatred. Envy that will go to the civilized world? How can a sovereign state deprive them of their ideas and return them to the stall.
Even here in VO, no one wants to look six months ahead, or maybe they are afraid. It is clear that you can not stop and continue even worse. And no one has yet formulated specifically what will be the ultimate goal of the victory achieved
If you have 100 thousand a year and in the Russian Federation 300 bucks a month does it mean that it is easier for Russians to go to paradise?

[Baron pardus]

Sir, I don't understand you at all. I don't have $100000 a year. At all. Of course, I would be glad, but in the USA, X-ray operators are not paid so much. Even in VA. I don't need your paradise. I - though a Mischling by blood - Odinist by religion, I go to Valhalla, if I deserve it. As for "Russianness", I don't want to offend you, but where did you get the idea, sir, that I grew up on Sholom Aleichem and Freilekhs. My grandfather told me RUSSIAN fairy tales, and Ukrainian, by the way, but I don’t know Jewish ones at all. Listened to the famous Grandfather Panas. He told great stories. And I know about Chernigov "By the morning he was standing in the glorious Murom, and by mass he wanted to be in time for Stolny Kyiv Grad. And he drove up to the Glorious City of Chernigov. Whether it was near the City of Chernigov, near Togo or near the city of Chernogov, the silushka was black black as black as a crow, and no one rode a good horse, and no one walked on foot "- from memory, perhaps he messed up. "Eneiad" and "Frost Morozenko" also still know by heart. I am the wrong mishling. I identify myself much more with Russians in culture/mentality than with Jews. However, the grandfather who raised me (dad worked in the evenings) was so assimilated that he didn’t even know a word in Yiddish except for the words that migrated from Yiddish to the Odessa dialect. But German knew like the back of his hand. But for an insult by nationality, it was he who gave me the FAS command that anyone who offends should be in the ambulance. He same me twice and otmazyvali :-).
You see, as for the "Ukrainians", how can I tell you. They got their "nezalezhnost" from the hands of Yeltsin. Formally, the USSR was not dissolved, and what Ukraine did is not legal, and therefore it must be returned. However, I believe that the USSR should be revived. Fully. Ideally, together with the ATS. And everyone who resists is contra, traitors and traitors, and the conversation with them is short: Hard work will return their freedom, but before that, each of them must get his own, what he deserves. Who is the tower, who is 20 years in the camps.
You wait, now the Celestial Empire will regain Taiwan. You will see how they will teach any counter and traitors to love their homeland. :-)
I, like anyone who fought in Iraq and Afghanistan, "love" Muslims in much the same way as Bandera. But while the Kadyrovites are killing the Banderlogs, the flag is in their hands. There were also Mongol troops at the Battle of the Ice, and they helped Alexander Nevsky a lot.

[Sadam]

Hmm. Guess we're watching episode 1 with an as of yet unknown outcome. Will you give a forecast for the fate of Kyiv?
And then under some circumstances TK sleeping Joe gave back then there will be a sequel with a Chinese expansion?
In the car, while driving, I listen to snn foxnews - why are Amer experts so pessimistic in their forecasts for the fate of Kyiv?
What does it mean illegally Ukraine is independent? There is a UN formality protocol ... All recognized borders ... Otherwise, there would be chaos who once owned whom in that century or the year before. The Poles owned Moscow for two years ...
Right now, the USSR is restoring 5 kg of sugar in hand and 10 packs of doshirak in the store in less than a week. And the Moscow Exchange will have to open early and late.
By the time I understood you from the Pacific sides

[Baron pardus]

Whether Russia wins or not depends on how quickly they realize that: a) they have wasted a lot of time and Crimea -2 will not work. b) Going crazy with the enemy is a sure way to defeat. c) underestimating the enemy is the best method to rake sickly people. d) If they understand that the heirs of the Nazis and Bandera are fighting with them, who, thanks to 20 years of brainwashing, are supported by a considerable part of the population, which means that you need to fight according to the Bismarck system. "First hit hard, then love hard." And so that every Banderoskot scum knows that even looking askance at a Russian soldier means that you are KHANA. To tear out these scum in such a way that after 50 years they lose control over their intestines and bladder from fear at the mere thought of harming Russia (see how the United States put the militant Japanese in a knee-elbow position). "If you come closer than 100 meters to our vehicles or roadblocks, you will be shot" as we wrote on our vehicles and roadblocks. Yes, I've been in the US since 1991. Served in the US Army for 6 years. First a Field Medic, then an X-ray technician.

[Sadam]

Hmm, how strong a long-term incentive can revenge be? In WWI, they also yearned for revenge, and then the state overstrained itself. Now the choice is either in bondage to the Chinese or the whole world is in dust ...

[Baron pardus]

I categorically disagree with you. Now Russia is in a MUCH better situation than after the civil war. The blockade is not so total, plus there is at least some kind of technology. So if the Leaders have a WILL, it means that victory also wakes up. Another thing is that iPhones and BMWs will have to be abandoned, but most citizens of the Russian Federation do not have either the latest iPhones or BMWs. \ If STALIN was able to create industry and science from ZERO, now it is easier to restore them, since NOT from scratch (something else Russia can do). And China - that's China and should become an example for Russia - the Communists are in power there, who keep their oligarchs in a tight grip, and corrupt officials are allowed to go to waste only in this way. Although they were somewhat spared recently, they asked for the opportunity to earn forgiveness by hard work (and thundered to 15 years of hard labor, with the possibility of early release, which is better than the tower).

And revenge. If Hitler had not been so obsessed with racial theories, and had he listened less to the advice of English agents, he had ALL chances to win in World War II. So revenge is the best motivator.
a) The complete annihilation of the British army at Dunkirk. And that's it. Khan. You can rivet Matild with the Covenantors. But the personnel army - tyutyu.
b) Integration of ALL Europe into a united Reich. Where there are no Germans, Czechs, French, Jews, Poles, but only citizens of the Reich. What Mussolini, Franco tried to do, and what the Chinese Communist Party is trying to do today. "We don't have Han, Uighurs or anyone else - we are all Chinese." Given the speed with which both the Czechs and the French rushed to serve the new masters, it was REAL.
c) The maximum use of the resources of all of Europe -> the destruction of Great Britain, the occupation, although among the British nobility there were many sympathizers of Hitler (see The British Roots of German Nazism), and Britain could simply surrender if they broke through to power. EMNIP The British Prince openly said "Heil Hitler".
History knows many examples when revenge was a great motivator. For example, the Germans against Napoleon. For example, the same Friedrich against the Austrians.

[Sadam]

Is the expansion of the empire necessarily a guarantee of improving the lives of citizens? I am from Primorye Vladik Nakhodka, a third of the population, all my classmates fled to the European Russian Federation. And they hate Muscovites in the Far East .. Moscow is not Russia ... The center sucks and lives better. Have you watched the popular Akunin now? . Well, what's the difference on one-fifth or one-sixth of the land.
In the name of the empire, sacrifice your personal ... And slurp cabbage soup all your life throughout history. And life is one. Everyone wants to warm their belly at sea. And that the Russians not only don’t want, but they simply don’t have this option to have that iPhone .. but the empire takes 9 hours to fly from Moscow to Vlad and 5 hours by bus to Nakhodka .. now the articles have gone how good and independent life is in North Korea. To be happy, all you need is 1700 calories in Korea per day, and the Russian Federation needs 2700 cal because of the climate .... But Satan has his own yards ... Everyone puts Stalin as an example, but for some reason no one wants to live at that happy time of 37 years but they remember the post-war when they collected the entire bonus from half of Europe.

[Bradley]

Somewhere you missed the news about the name of the operation yes Here in Iraq they leveled the cities before the infantry entered. Well, in other things, like everywhere else, NATO first mixes everything and everyone with the ground wink

And they did the right thing, that's how it is necessary to fight.
And if you want to minimize losses among civilians, then be kind, pay with the lives of your soldiers.
There is no other way!

[Jager]

"War is the impotence of politicians."

[Aviator_]

I am absolutely sure that the MI-28 in terms of performance characteristics is by no means worse than Apache or Cobra (the fact that there is no radar on the sleeve, I think it’s temporary, put it on).

It is on the Mi-28 that he is

[carstorm 11]

Have you ever seen a map of Ukraine to talk about the destruction of convoys?))) There are such distances that su 34 is difficult and you are helicopters))))

[Paranoid50]

Quote: Baron Pardus

. I often hear that both in the General Staff of the Russian Federation and in Putin's entourage, there are agents of the United States and NATO .. ​​The farther the more inclined to believe this. Judging by the decisions made (or not made)

Spring-ah-ah, I no longer warm the beer ... (Choi)

[texneker]

For some reason, your helicopter pilots don't do anything to these convoys.

Saturation of small groups of the Armed Forces of Ukraine and self-defense of Ukraine, Stingers of the third revision, it is dangerous and expensive to spend turntables on a permanent ... "free hunt", budgets do not allow and crews grow for a long time, this is minimal - up to 20 years, new ones ... reduced to a minimum, you can see the possible reserves are no longer drawn out !?
They didn’t deliver cheap gunships, although they thought and talked about it yet - until 2022 and not only here !?

I am absolutely sure that your pilots are no worse than ours or the British. I am absolutely sure that the MI-28 in terms of performance characteristics is by no means worse than Apache or Cobra (the fact that there is no radar on the sleeve, I think it’s temporary, put it on).

The cheapest solution is to increase the Mi-35 fleet (it has efficiency ...) there is even a version of R (reconnaissance and target designator), even with the Hermes suspension, and the Mi-28N is many times more expensive ...

Roads are not destroyed, trucks and convoys are not destroyed. Yes, look how in 1944 the USAAF and the British RAF were chasing single German cars, just like in 1941/42 the Luftwaffe was chasing single cars and wagons on the roads of the USSR

They had more cars for these purposes, so they could race every day

The further the more inclined to believe it. Judging by the decisions made (or not made)

It happens sometimes, but the guys in gray suits are struggling with these shortcomings, day and night!

[Vietnam Russia]

Russia's weapon is the best!
No freedom for the world without Russia!
Stand with Russia!
A friend of Russia from Vietnam.

[Baron pardus]

Thank you Comrade. I may be an immigrant, but the older I am the more I feel the fact that I AM RUSSIAN, not american, and not anything else.

[podval57]

xin chao người bạn việt nam

[archiroll]

Helicopters seem to be fine. But I really don’t understand why drones with a beautiful picture don’t hang continuously.

[Lech from Android.]

You see a gopher in the bushes... no... but he is... everything has its time.

[archiroll]

Here comes one

[Baron pardus]

As far as we write, although normal UAVs have begun to appear in Russia, there are simply FEW of them. By the way, I read about the US Air Force program on ... combat airships. It's MUCH cheaper than AWACS. So hang an airship with powerful sensors to a height of 10-15 kilometers so that they don’t get MANPADS, and here’s the AWACS ezarts.

[Paranoid50]

Quote: Baron Pardus

So hang an airship with powerful sensors to a height of 10-15 kilometers so that they don’t get MANPADS, and here’s the AWACS ezarts.

A teenager who read a car of romantic books ... (also Choi)

[Baron pardus]

"From what class of the gymnasium were you kicked out for poor progress, from the 5th?" - Ostap Bender, Shura Balaganov.

I understand that it's easier to show off and scoff than to read and get at least some knowledge - that's offhand. Engage in self-education, otherwise you expose yourself as an ignoramus, to put it mildly.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Tethered_Aerostat_Radar_System Если вы не знаете то "Ground Surveillance" значит "наблюдение за тем что происходит на поверхности".Про проэкты установки сериозных радаров на аэростаты и дирижабли - писали немало. Ищите да обращите. Печатать вы умеете, так что вперёд заниматься самообразованием. Оно вам ох как надо.

[kostavit]

Helicopters are participating in the Special Military Operation and are fighting against the Nazis, whom NATO filled up with Stinger MANPADS. Anyone who has encountered this weapon will confirm that it is very dangerous for helicopters. Losses can be huge.

[Sir Galant]

Thank you for the article. very educational. one question, in the video the rockets somehow fly indirectly, in some kind of zigzags. maybe their task is either to hammer from the top, or to evade air defense? or both? or I'm wrong?

[dnestr74]

Because this is an adapted ATGM, and that's exactly how they fly.

[Sir Galant]

but what is an ATGM - it flies along the minimum trajectory to the target. and some of its changes in the trajectory are not expected.

[Alexey RA]

I would venture to suggest that the "wobble" of the ATGM is due to the fact that there is an acceptable "corridor" for the missile's flight trajectory to the target, and correction commands go only when leaving it (as a result, the flight resembles the movement of a ball thrown into the corridor - from wall to wall ). Plus, the operator himself is on a moving platform, which he chats even in hover mode.

[voyaka uh]

It's called: laser corridor.
Approximately 1-1.5 m in diameter.
ATGMs that are controlled via an optical cable do not have such wobbling.

[Comet]

It is necessary to control the rocket in pitch and yaw, and the controls for such missiles are located in the same plane. Therefore, the rocket rotates in roll and is "alternately" controlled in pitch and yaw, hence visible "zigzags" are obtained, visually enhanced by the optical zoom of the aiming system. By the way, MANPADS are controlled in the same way.

[riwas]

Potential and its demonstration. Attack helicopters in the Special Military Operation

Even Ka-29 attack helicopters are involved in a special operation in Ukraine.
https://rg.ru/2022/03/04/morskie-vertolety-shturmoviki-ka-29-uchastvuiut-v-specoperacii-na-ukraine.html

[Zaurbek]

The use of 3 helicopters with similar functions is savagery and a financial crime.

[abc_alex]

B .... How can you write such crap in an article on a specialized forum? And no editorial comments. Well, why mislead readers?

For the Mi-28 (N), a developed sighting and navigation system was also developed. Its key component is the H025 type over-hull radar with all-round visibility. The OES model TOES-521 is also used. There are all the necessary devices for the use of guided weapons, incl. working on commands from the carrier.

No. The key component of the Mi-28 is the OLS combined with the navigation system. In the Mi-28N version (Нfull-time) it is supplemented by a "night" IR channel. The radar is not "type H025". She is H025. She is the ONE of us, she has no "types". Unique. And it was not made for the Mi-28N and certainly not for the Mi-28. It was made for the Mi-28NM (sometimes they write Mi-28M). And it doesn't have all-round visibility. It must be clearly understood that between the Mi-28, Mi-28N and Mi-28M lies a whole era in the development of the concept of an attack helicopter.
Guided weapons cannot be "including by commands from the carrier". If it managed. How else can he manage? From Putin's office?

Since 2020, the Russian army has been receiving serial Mi-28NM helicopters. They are distinguished by a more advanced set of sighting and navigation equipment and the presence of new features.

That's just these machines have a full-time over-the-hull radar and they are fundamentally different from their predecessors. There, the avionics are generally different and the weapons complex is different. They are not used now in combat operations, primarily because there are no specialists for their use.

Both vehicles use anti-tank missiles of the Shturm family.

B .... There are no "missiles of the Shturm family". Storm is launch and guidance system ATGM. These are electronics, not rockets. Initially, Shturm worked with the 9M114 Cocoon missile, then with the more modern and powerful 9M120 Attack. In this form, it is integrated into the sighting and navigation system Mi-28 and Mi-28N.
The Ka-52 "Storm" was not installed. Kamovtsy made a bet on the Whirlwind. And they integrated its control system into their PNK. Tulyaks, as you know, screwed up. The Defense Ministry in a directive manner forced the Kamovites to switch from "Whirlwind" to "Attack". But the Kamovites refused the services of the Sturm developers and themselves brought the missile control into their system. As a result, the Ataka works worse with the Ka-52 than with the Mi-28N.

The VKS is also armed with the Vikhr-1 complex. His missile is guided by a laser beam and flies 8-10 km. In terms of combat qualities, the product is not inferior to other anti-tank weapons. Previously, Vikhr-1 missiles could only be used by Kamov helicopters, but work has recently been carried out to integrate these weapons into the Mi-28N weapon system.

Missiles "Whirlwind" are not in service. That is why the Ka-52 was re-equipped with the Attack. Therefore, no one has integrated anything anywhere on the MI-28N. We checked that it can be used and okay. The Mi-28N has its own set of weapons and it doesn't need anything else. Especially unfinished. And the Mi-28M carries a completely different set of weapons. And again "past the Whirlwind". On it, in addition to Sturm, there can be a Chrysanthemum and, most importantly, "product 305".
And now the Attack is guided by the "laser beam". Modernized.

In the near future, the Ka-52 will become a regular carrier of promising Hermes-A missiles. This complex will ensure the defeat of ground targets at ranges up to 15-20 km. The missile will be able to penetrate armor up to 1 m thick or hit unprotected targets. It was reported that in the future, domestic combat helicopters of almost all current models could become carriers of Hermes.

I get the impression that all the money allocated for development is spent by the Kamov Design Bureau on ordering laudatory articles for their helicopter.
No, the Ka-52 will not become the carrier of the Hermes. This rocket does not exist. KBP has been talking about it as a promising one for many years, but has not completed it yet. And after the appearance of a new weapon on the Mi-28M, the need for Hermes disappeared altogether. Penetration of a meter of homogeneous armor has long been ensured by "Attack" and even more so by 9M123 "Chrysanthemum". And "Product-305" is conceptually more promising. Therefore, most likely "Hermes" is waiting for the same fate as the "Whirlwind". It seems to be there, but it's not there.

But the army of either paid or simply incompetent journalists will continue to paint both the Kamov helicopter and all these "Tula gingerbread". While KM Mil and KBM will be doing real work on a domestic attack helicopter. And the results of this work, the military will then force Kamov Design Bureau to be pushed into their cars with kicks and cracks.

Reports of recent days show that the Mi-28N and Ka-52 are effective combat vehicles with broad capabilities. ...
Thus, the Russian army has received and is actively using modern aviation technology with effective weapons.

Objectively, the Mi-28N and Ka-52 are conceptually outdated. The developers in private conversations quite calmly, as a fact, say that "if it weren't for Gorbach", the Mi-28 would now be withdrawn from service even in the "N" version. The time of machines, which serves as the main sight of the OLS, has passed. Today, the main "eyes" of an attack helicopter should be the radar, and the OLS is already an auxiliary system. Television guidance was relevant in the 70-80s, in the 90s with thermal imagers. And in the 2000s there was already an understanding that there would be no development without radar. But "Phazotron" did not dare to make an over-hull radar for the Mi-28 zass ... well, did not dare. Made a bet on the Ka-52. And he messed up, the Kamovites cannot normally realize the capabilities of the radar.

[Piligrim]

Let's imagine that the author is a little foreign agent and his goal is to provoke you. You know he made it. Did it ever occur to you that this site has long been under tacit control?

[abc_alex]

It has long occurred to me that the entire Internet is "under tacit control." Therefore, I do not write anything that cannot be found in the public domain. I'm just collecting disparate information together.

[Piligrim]

What you collect and analyze is good. It is bad to place such information in the wrong place or at the wrong time.

[Comet]

On the Ka-52 - Whirlwind, at the 26th second:

[Stepan S]

used attack helicopter Ka-52. Some interface fields are closed for privacy reasons.

You can no longer close anything in the cockpit after the loss of a helicopter near Kiev. There, all onlookers have already examined him and filmed a video on the photo. Surprisingly, no one took the technique for detailed study. Probably not up to it now.

[GREG68]

Quote: Baron Pardus

I am absolutely sure that the MI-28 in terms of performance characteristics is by no means worse than Apache or Cobra (the fact that there is no radar on the sleeve, I think it’s temporary, put it on).

The over-hull radar has been around for a long time, take a closer look.

[Vista401]

The former helicopter pilot said - neither the best pilot nor the chief designer fully knows the capabilities of the helicopter and what kind of thing he can throw out at any second

[Simfy]

A cool video of the target acquisition warning system in operation ... When they hit our Mi-2s with two Strela-8m at close range ... I don’t know how to upload a video without YouTube

[silver_roman]

Helicopters are certainly good, but I noticed a big problem with the lack of individual communication among the fighters. Soldiers often simply do not understand where the ogs are. I am generally silent about ESU TZ. There were also many photos of damaged equipment with ancient radios. This is a spec. the operation shows that the infantry is indispensable. And positioning on the ground must be accurate.
As for helicopters and aviation in general, it is not clear why cars-y are still shooting at the territory of the Russian Federation. And given the number of MANPADS in the hands of the APU, I would now send to all the hot spots where the Saxon aviation and the EU receive my MANPADS to potentially land as many enemy aircraft as possible. The Germans have already shown their true face of National Socialism in full glory.

[LanceUppercut]

Regarding the recent ukrofake (?):

- What is written on the tail boom of modern helicopters: always "Russian Air Force" (as in recently released videos) or are there still helicopters with the "old" inscription "Russian Air Force"?

- The helicopters of the Mi-24 family (Mi-35, etc.) used in Ukraine - do they all have fixed landing gear? Are helicopters with retractable landing gear used? And if so, is it customary to leave the landing gear unretracted in a real flight?

I read that non-retractable gassy was made as a way to cushion hard landings.

[iouris]

Attack helicopters should be based near the advancing troops. Helicopters and attack aircraft already need jump airfields, they need an airfield closer to the western and southwestern regions and in the center of the country.

[seagull]

Quote: iouris

Attack helicopters should be based near the advancing troops.

In this case, the probability of destruction at airfields by MLRS shelling increases.

[Dmitry Ustinov]

Ka 52 in commercials, from the special operation zone, flickers more often - I’m not sure that I saw mi 28 at all.
52 are there more, or are they more convenient, or just coincidentally?

[abc_alex]

Quote: Dmitry Ustinov

Ka 52 in commercials, from the special operation zone, flickers more often - I’m not sure that I saw mi 28 at all.
52 are there more, or are they more convenient, or just coincidentally?

Here I am surprised. What kind of people are sitting with Kamov "on the payroll", that for how many years they have been promoting the Ka-52. I do not argue that now good car. But it is no better than the Mi-28N. In fact, it is now "Mi-28N coaxial scheme." But "in the box" there are materials, as a rule, only on the Kamov machine.

[Piligrim]

Quote: abc_alex

I do not argue, it is now a good car. But it is no better than the Mi-28N.

I read somewhere that the coaxial scheme is easier to fly, which means that more crews can be trained in the same time. But this is definitely a question for the pros.

[abc_alex]

Quote: Piligrim

I read somewhere that the coaxial scheme is easier to fly, which means that more crews can be trained in the same time. But this is definitely a question for the pros.

As far as I know, it is much more difficult to train an armament operator on the Mi-28 and Ka-52. Helicopter piloting skills can also be obtained on the Mi-2, and in general they differ little. But you have to master the weapons complex from scratch. Healthy men. For those who have forgotten how to do it at all - to study. And sometimes frankly unwilling to learn anything. I heard a lot of stories from people who saw with their own eyes how pilots almost explained to their operator with their fists that if he, a club, could not hit the shield at the training ground, then ... Rocket control is still a skill that needs to be developed.

[Zaurbek]

For some reason, Ka52 and Mi35 are constantly in the frame. The work of the Mi28 is not particularly shown, and they were not noted in the downed ones.

[Mister who]

Doesn't the KA-52 have more chances when hit by a rocket, unlike the MI-28N and the same alligator? There was an article: in Syria, a missile hit the tail of Mishka, despite the excellent armor, he collapsed.

[agond]

As an amateur far from aviation, I can advise the military operators of the Ka-52, to protect against a small and relatively slow Stinger-type missile, gratings should be installed at the ends of the helicopter's wings (the very ones on which the NAR is suspended) - screens (similar to tank gratings) with a size of, for example 2 and 3m, upon detection of a missile launch by the enemy, the pilot must make a turn to the left or right in order to expose the grate to the missile strike. Since the grids are proposed to be installed vertically along the body of the helicopter, they should not greatly affect its flight performance, as a variant of the grid can be made folding. By the way, a coaxial helicopter is ideal for this method of protection.

[JD1979]

Soap on soap drives soap. Not tired of rewriting the same mantra, huh?)))

Reports of recent days show that the Mi-28N and Ka-52 are effective combat vehicles with broad capabilities.

The reports show that the Mi-28N again went to the developers' ass, because no matter how you advertise compost, it will not become chocolate, and this war showed what this craft is worth: one flight - minus a car and 2 pilots. This is confirmed by the videos cited by the author - only the Ka-52 is shown))) Mi-24 and Mi-8. Mi-28 alas and ah. If they don’t figure out where to tie KAZ to this tadpole, then it will only fly at parades and shows. Unlike the Alligator and other mile cars, on which the KAZ turrets are very clearly visible on the video.

[Hyper_X]

Those. lift the nose of the helicopter to increase the range of laying bunks / nurses over the areas, i.e. FIG knows where the projectile is flying, is this called effective weapons?
And the author is aware that this tactic of the Falklands in 1982 ???
Maybe the author will show us a picture from an Apache helicopter when it fires guided missiles, well, to compare the picture in the forehead ...

And yet, the author, but show me how .. The Night Hunter uses a cannon and guided missiles at night, paired with a gunner from the ground .. please ....

Finish writing nonsense already .... NATO uses modern weapons in Ukraine, including drones, quadrocopters. The latter stupidly throw small bombs right at the target .... Afghan tactics of the 1980s, that's what I see on Ukrainians from our helicopters ...

[Ratmir_Ryazan]

Thermal viewers and optical stations on all our equipment are inferior to Western models. This gap must be eliminated or at least reduced.

Otherwise, if the enemy begins to massively use dummies and false positions, the effectiveness of our helicopter attacks will decrease, and losses will increase.

[sailor]

Well done helicopter pilots, but what is our long-range aviation doing? Where are the hundreds of thousands of bombs on the heads of the enemy? In 41, they even managed to bomb Berlin, but now what?