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Europe, what are we to do with you?

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Unity in the face of danger has always been useful and very often in the world stories was bearing fruit. Today, you are directly touched when you watch how Europe, trembling with fear, is trying to stop Russia with sanctions. In general, it is similar to how not too well-bred children try to stop the train by putting pebbles on the rails.


Sanctions... Yes, of course, the examples of the same Iran (and we are going there too) show that it is sickening to live with them, but it is possible. Of course, there are inconveniences. Moreover, if we approach the issue of sanctions very seriously, we can significantly complicate the life of any country integrated into the world community.

Now, if we take North Korea as an example, then they have any sanctions that Styrofoam is to axes. The country is brewing in its cauldron and nothing can get through them. And there are countries that are smothered by sanctions easily and naturally. It's all a question of approach and execution.

What really can Europe come up with that will really be sensitive for Russia - that's what you can think about.

The efforts of the Czech Republic are already perceived as a kind of anecdote. Yes, Czechs do not like Russians, there is such a thing after the Prague spring in 1968. They are very vindictive. Prague in 1945, saved from bombing, is not remembered, as the whole war, aircraft and Tanks they riveted Germany, they don’t remember, but they remember the mess in 1968.

There has been information that Czech brewers have announced a boycott of the Russian market. Well, what can I say ... Bravo. For such a solution, everything must be steel, not only the usual parts of the body for such situations.

For losing SUCH a market is really a Decision with a capital letter. Here's just one question: where will the Czechs put such an abyss of beer? Neighbors? But the Poles brew themselves quite good beer. Not "Pilsner Urquel", but "Tyske Gron" - very much so. And if for my taste, then everything that “Brovar” cooks is no worse than Czech. And if we take into account that Poland is the fourth country in Europe after Germany, the Czech Republic and Austria in terms of the production and consumption of beer, it is clear that there is nothing for the Czechs to catch.

Ukraine also brews quite decent drinks. Lviv beer (as well as Lviv chocolate, by the way) is a European level. And the Czechs will not be allowed into their market, especially now.

Germany and Austria are leaving, and what is left? France, Spain, Portugal, Italy, Greece, Bulgaria are traditional wine countries. Although the Spanish "San Miguel" for my taste - well, the same "Bayern", just not bitter.

In general, the Czechs will face a crisis of overproduction. No problem, good luck.

Yes, our factories (the same Krusovice) may face the problem of lack of raw materials for production. It is unpleasant. But not fatal. People drink Baltika...

The same goes for cars. Some European manufacturers have very loudly stated that everything else, they do not work in Russia yet, the factories are closing. It is unpleasant. These are unemployed Russians.

But it is also a lost market for Europeans. Physics, so that it is not empty, because the world does not like emptiness. And any vacuum will be filled with something. At the moment, automakers in South Korea and China are simply drooling over information about the shutdown of BMW, Ford and others.

China will easily replace much of what the Europeans remove on the Russian market. Half of the Volkswagen models can return to the market under the FAW or Jetta brands (another German-Chinese joint venture in China), and you can easily live without the second half.

And it’s also worth remembering the Indian “TATA” and “Mahindra”,

Of course, it will be very difficult for a very limited part of the Russian population to live without BMW, Range Rover and Mercedes products. But I think the president will come up with something about the essence of the moment and patriotism.

And a bit of sober gloating. Unsold cars will cause what? That's right, the same crisis of overproduction. And factories will cut output. Or even stop for reasons that will be discussed below.

And if you imagine how happy the hoteliers and tour operators of Montenegro, Bulgaria, Greece, Italy, Spain and France feel today, how they welcome the fact that the richest tourists in Russia (we have Turkey and Egypt for the poor) will go somewhere else ...

In general, the rather shaky European economy, which has been hit by sanctions, covid, and the crisis, does not feel very good anyway. Yes, the Russian one also has problems above the roof, there is no dispute, but the question is who will get it harder.

For starters, I could not find any data on how the EU is going to deal with the consequences of such a hastily launched economic struggle. Apparently, they are not going to compensate for the losses, which could result in another strong blow to the weakening economy of the European Union.

No, it is clear that the European Union is still a hero who seems to be firmly on his feet. But forgive me, even if such a hero is treated with a log on the head from time to time, he will collapse. And, sooner rather than later.

I agree that Russia's sanctions could be a very painful blow. But not fatal, as much as some would not like it, but painful. Maybe even very painful.

However, the market is such a thing, it also obeys the laws of physics and does not really like emptiness. As for gas and oil, by stopping the consumption of which Europe so wants to scare Russia, then, if not immediately, they can be redirected. In Asia, there will obviously be those who want to buy energy.

But what will Europe do? Gas, sorry, is not only heating. Gas is an industry. Gas is electricity. Especially for those who are not friends with nuclear power.

Russia holds about 33-34% of the European energy market. Replace? Easy? No, it won't work. Neither Qatar, nor Saudi Arabia, nor even the United States, will be able to take and compensate for such a loss.

As I understand it, the main initiator here is the United States. What it will be possible to gnaw off on the market with the supply of its LNG, the States will gnaw off. As much as they can, they will bring as much, especially since the prices will be simply gorgeous in conditions of shortage. And what they can’t, they will give to others. But just like that, they won't be able to compensate for the loss of 30% of the market.

So Europe simply has a chic prospect - an increase in the cost of electricity and those who are far from France with its nuclear power plant, the shutdown of plants and factories, and some problems for the population.

Unobtrusively, I draw your attention to the fact that the United States almost does not participate in this dance. Yes, the service of old Boeings will be stopped. The rest is somehow modest behind the scenes. The main hubbub in Europe.

Why? Yes, because everything is very profitable for the States. And LNG will be sold, and you can not be distracted by Europe and Russia, which are clearly clinching in the economic ring, and you can safely pursue your interests in Asia.

And Europe will deal with its problems on its own. And, by the way, such fireworks with special effects are possible here that you grab your head.

For example, Muslims of African descent who are settling in France, did they come to Paris to work and pay for Russophobia out of their own pocket? Yep, right from Monday! The deterioration of living conditions in France will come back to haunt, as usual, pogroms and burned cars on the streets. A French Muslim from Africa is not Russian for you. He will not tolerate this kind of injustice.

So really, France - get ready. And Germany too. There are more than enough backbones there to arrange a second Paris in Hamburg.

And in the east they look at all this quite normally. China is silent, looking towards Taiwan, conducting maneuvers and clearly watching how it all ends. Gaining experience and evaluating opponents. Taiwan will be hysterical, but it is clear that there will be no war for Taiwan's production capacity. There will be only capitulation until the comrades from mainland China have destroyed everything.

And Pakistan, which supports China in its confrontation with India, suddenly decided that it was time to make friends with Russia! Moreover, someone else, and Pakistan, has not been among the friends of Russia since the days of Soviet Afghanistan. And suddenly, Prime Minister Imran Khan declares that Pakistan is on the side of the showdown around Ukraine, and Pakistan is ready to buy everything that Russia has left there this year. Particularly interested in "little" - 2 million tons of wheat, well, a little bit of gas. For myself.

It is clear that Pakistan did not just suddenly decide to become a trading partner. Explicit "feed" was from the PRC.

For some reason, the South Koreans also did not apply for sanctions. Basically, it's understandable. At the end of 2021, the Kia Motors concern, which includes the Hyundai and Kia brands, sold more than 370 thousand cars in Russia. The undisputed leader. And "Samsung" is in the lead in mobile phones and smartphones (more than 20% of the market), although other household appliances are doing pretty well. In addition to them, there are also “small things” such as LG and Redmond, and other Korean brands would also be happy to snatch their piece of the market.

So while the Europeans and Americans puff out their cheeks in the sanctions race, the South Koreans and the Chinese will tear off the remnants of the Russian market from them.

And who knows, but in general, will those who so proudly began to support Ukraine with sanctions have somewhere to return?

This question is a question. And it will stand for a long time and impressively, like a concrete pillar. Sanctions will turn against European brands. And the Russian consumer is such a capricious organism that he can easily switch from Volkswagen to Kia, in the absence of an iPhone, Samsung will do, and Redmond will do instead of a Phillips coffee maker.

I am generally silent about Chinese brands. And that China can easily supply everything assembled on its sites, but under its own labels.

Yes, that's where it will be hot, so it's at the Russian Railways. They are too carried away by integration into Europe and therefore there may be problems. After all, Sapsan is a 100% foreigner from Germany. "Swallow" - also "German", but production was established in the Urals, in Upper Pyshma, but from imported components. And there is also "Strizh", which comes from Spain.

These are high speed trains. And with locomotives, everything is like this: only two companies produce them in Russia, TransMashHolding and Sinara.

TransMashHolding cooperates with the French company Alstom, in cooperation with which Allegro, Skif, EP20 are produced. And there are a lot of imported "offal".

And Sinara, which produces a range of freight locomotives Ermak, Sinara, Granite and Black Granite, does this in alliance with the German Siemens.

In general - there is where to hit. But there is something to answer.

In fact, this sanctions madness is useful. Both for us and Europeans. Our “import substitution”, which by 80% was reduced to re-sticking labels (thank you, Belarusians, taught us!), Still, should come to R&D and production of the necessary groups of goods. That's right, from development to production, everything should take place on Russian territory, and not be ordered in China under our brand.

And it will be very useful for Europeans to starve in terms of energy and still understand that Russia is not just a gas station country from where you can download energy happiness at an affordable price and in unlimited quantities. This is their interest, and, in the end, respect.

Why not? Who said that Russia is not worthy of respect as a country?

That's what we'll deal with in a little while. The fact that Europe simply does not have the strength to continue the sanctions war is becoming more and more clear every day. And sooner or later the moment will come when all the forces will end completely and irrevocably.

And then what?

And then all that remains is just to bow to Russia. Someone will do it with such a face that nothing happened, and he just changed his mind, and someone, perhaps, even with apologies.

The only question is what will be the finale of the Ukrainian events.

And then you have to think carefully about who to forgive and who not. Especially if by that time Russia is completely reoriented to the market of the East. And it will turn its back on Europe.

We live in a very cruel time. But it will be interesting to see the finale of this performance, which did not start at all according to our scenario.

But history is written by the winners.
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  1. Expert_Analyst_Forecaster
    Expert_Analyst_Forecaster 5 March 2022 04: 57
    +18
    And then you have to think carefully about who to forgive and who not.

    There is also a list of countries unfriendly to Russia. In my opinion it is too short. It is high time to add Great Britain, Poland, Lithuania to it.
    And taking into account the supply of weapons to the former Ukraine - France, Germany. We cannot forgive those who supply weapons that kill our guys.
    1. psiho117
      psiho117 5 March 2022 05: 44
      +4
      It turned out funny - throughout our history we have served as a kind of "bridge" from Europe to Asia, adopting usefulness and innovations from both sides - but the Europeans never took us for "their own", considering us Asian barbarians.
      Now, it seems, the period has finally come when relations with Europe will finally be changed and we will really become part of Asia.
      It is for the best - with Eurozhopa we are definitely not on our way.
      1. Snail N9
        Snail N9 5 March 2022 06: 48
        +29
        Well, let's just say the author missed a lot of what the West can hit Russia with (and is already hitting), for example, electronics and software. The same Internet with Latin domains is vulnerable at any time. For example, yesterday on TV they showed a program about how Russia successfully resists hackers and protects providers, and the camera showed rows of servers and other equipment with nameplates .... IBM, Texas Instruments, Siemens, etc. This cannot be replaced overnight. In addition, all CNC machines have software and activation codes tied to the Internet - if the software is not updated (it is the property of the machine manufacturer), then everything turns into a pile of metal. Well, there are many other things that make us vulnerable.
        Yesterday they said that even polymer granules for the production of bags are imported
        In general, almost any product produced in Russia has an import component. And I would not really hope for South Korea and China, the fact is that these countries cannot supply branded products to Russia, whose brand owners have joined the sanctions, and Korea and China will also not be able to supply products where there are Western components and Western intellectual property. Here the Prime Minister of South Korea flew urgently to the United States to try to get permission to sell at least something from where there is US intellectual property and patented component architecture. China, in general, is a muddy guy and has repeatedly spoken out in the vein that the EU and US markets are a priority for it and it will not violate sanctions so as not to lose these markets. In addition, and this is the most important thing, how will we pay them off? We are disconnected from currency flows. Yuan? But there is a nuance, the cost in yuan will be determined by China, and in order to get the Yuan, you will have to sell something to China, again at a price that China will set because there will be no alternative. And how China knows how to twist the arms of those who have become dependent on it is shown by its barter trade with the DPRK, which it simply ruthlessly milks, using its blockade. Well, the most unpleasant thing is our dependence in terms of food - the seed fund, broilers, meat, milk powder, etc. - everything is imported. And it will not be possible to quickly replace this in the conditions of the blockade of our finances and opportunities to enter the currency markets. And payment in gold is not very much in demand and troublesome. So food is also a problem now. Yesterday I watched the local evening news on Channel 78, and responsible people there said that, unfortunately, our real dependence on food supplies is only now becoming clear, it turns out to be approximately more than 50 percent, and in milk, almost 90. Just yesterday, food chains applied so that they were given the right to limit the sale to one person, allegedly to fight dealers. A bad sign - here it can even reach coupons and cards. Well, health. Everything here is very dreary - almost all medical equipment is produced in the EU and the USA, even China will not help here. What about medicines? With drugs, everything is just as bad - 70% of imports. Well, as it turned out, there is another area that they didn’t think about - the production of pet food. Cheap feed from waste is still something produced in Russia, but special and medicinal feeds are all imported and they are already in short supply on the market. No, of course we will break through, but we must clearly understand that it will be difficult, sometimes even very difficult, and we will no longer live the way we lived before. Well, the worst thing is that I don’t believe that our current rulers will be able to cope with today’s challenges, for example, how “alternatively gifted” one had to be in order to invest Russia’s gold reserves in funds abroad for so many years, where more than half of them are now blocked, while while our economy has suffered from chronic lack of money for so many years! And do you want to go through all the current challenges with such "managers" and "effective managers"? Do you think they'll do it? And do not forget that we will also have to deal with Ukraine in an adult way, which will require huge resources, where will we get them from?
        1. Alien From
          Alien From 5 March 2022 07: 24
          +10
          Now that's a healthy assessment of the situation! yes
          1. Snail N9
            Snail N9 5 March 2022 08: 15
            +22
            Still worse. For example, the government sincerely believes that the fall in incomes of the population in these conditions is good, like, they will buy less. And most importantly, Russian entrepreneurs have not only lost external financial flows and sources of financing, but also like a butt on the head nailed by the high rate of the Central Bank and because of this, loans that have risen in price! But they need money like air now, since accounts and possible sources of financing in the West are blocked and they urgently need to spend money on restructuring production, supply chains and other things! The trouble is that the Russian market is now largely closed to domestic consumption, and it is low, since the rulers have kept the income of the population at a minimum for so many years, ostensibly motivating this by maintaining the economic attractiveness of the labor market for external investors. And now, with such credit rates, how much should products cost in Russia? Who will buy it at these prices? The sad thing is that there are no more such bison as Primakov, Maslyukov, Gerashchenko in the financial and economic sector, and who pulled us out of the ass of the 1998 crisis, but there are products of the Higher School of Economics and short-term courses of Yale and Columbia Universities for third world countries and colonies and hope for that they're handling the situation, well, that's...
            PS: Do you remember how Mishustin was beside himself when he could not gather the ministers for an emergency meeting of the government - most of them were not in Russia? God what are we talking about...
            1. p0pulivox
              p0pulivox 5 March 2022 17: 46
              +1
              Unfortunately you are right. Our economy is already in a fever more than "there" and our socio-economic problems are more serious than those of "them" ...
        2. Romario Argo
          Romario Argo 5 March 2022 08: 59
          +1
          I will not go into all the economic justifications, but in one he is right. When subsidies are cut to the settlers from the south, there will be such saber dances that neither Russia nor Ukraine will ....... In general, they will not be up to it.
        3. carstorm 11
          carstorm 11 5 March 2022 09: 28
          +10
          You are right but you missed one important point. The system is breaking down. We took a step and now it can't be stopped. Who will be with whom in a year or two is impossible to say. Do you know when I realized this? When the Germans began to supply weapons to kill the Russians. When the Germans throughout Germany began to attack the Russians. Believe me, as a German I am in shock, it is difficult to describe in words. This is all. This is the edge. They went to scrap what Germany generally stuck together. In a couple of years, they will stop repenting for the results of the Second World War. This I guarantee you. And so on all over the world.
          1. TANKISTONE
            TANKISTONE 6 March 2022 14: 04
            0
            carstorm 11 (Dmitry) When the Germans throughout Germany began to attack the Russians.
            Why Germans? Ukrainians. On February 27.02, I received a call from one such familiar citizen 404, who lives with me in the same city. He threatened to shoot me and my car for the inscription on the glass and the guards tape. His grandfather fought for the USSR, his father served in the USSR Strategic Missile Forces. His grandmother is Jewish, his father is Jewish, his mother is Ukrainian.
            1. carstorm 11
              carstorm 11 7 March 2022 04: 14
              +1
              I know from friends and relatives already dozens of cases of attacks by the Germans. Young people mostly. Well, as for supposedly refugees from 404, I agree too. Well, Germany should get to know them. Ruguli there now will show everyone what they are capable of. There won't be much.
        4. belovvladimir
          belovvladimir 5 March 2022 22: 38
          +1
          As far as I understand, the EU industry also depends on Russian metals, and rare metals, zinc and the like, mined in Russia, under US and EU sanctions, can paralyze the entire electronics industry, the West and Europe, so they can’t see fertilizers, there is no harvest, microcircuits are not produced, let them think!
      2. Ilya-spb
        Ilya-spb 5 March 2022 07: 02
        -4
        Europe - Geyropa, anti-Christian, immoral, LGBT-shno-corrupt, must be destroyed. Like the Western Roman Empire, at one time.
      3. your1970
        your1970 5 March 2022 07: 02
        -1
        Quote: psiho117
        It turned out funny - throughout our history we have served as a kind of "bridge" from Europe to Asia

        "in the absence of an iPhone, Samsung will do just fine," - Samsung also stopped deliveries. He also shot himself in the leg ... South Korea smeared him off - but he was afraid


        "and instead of the Philips coffee maker, Redmond will do." - all anecdotal situation is that Philips long ago Chinese company.
        Like Volvo, like IVM - now Lenovo and a bunch of other brands
        1. Romario Argo
          Romario Argo 5 March 2022 09: 14
          +1
          When buying the first smartphone, I asked the seller (there were Samsung, Sony Ericsson and which French) to which he replied, there is a smartphone, but there is a Samsung. Bought Sony. About 6-7 years ago, pokkpay another phone heard the same thing. No offense to the Samsung lovers. At the very 2 TV Samsung. Here are the advantages
        2. Luminman
          Luminman 5 March 2022 13: 11
          +5
          the whole anecdote of the situation is that Philips has long been a Chinese company

          Not really. Various rubbish, like TVs, telephones and something - yes, Chinese. Serious production, at the peak of technology - Dutch
          1. your1970
            your1970 5 March 2022 17: 22
            -3
            Owner BRAND - China.
            If tomorrow the owner BRAND will say Dutch division - "spread your hands" - they will do it in the same second. For grandmas go through China - through the owner ...
            1. Luminman
              Luminman 5 March 2022 19: 23
              +1
              BRAND OWNER - China

              China only has the right to produce some product groups under the Philips nameplate. Part of the divisions sold, the other part is allowed to hang a sticker on their products with a proud inscription - Philips
              1. your1970
                your1970 5 March 2022 20: 08
                -1
                "Proud inscription" carries money with it, everything else is from the evil one
                1. Luminman
                  Luminman 5 March 2022 20: 11
                  +2
                  "Proud inscription" carries money with it, everything else is from the evil one

                  And Dutch shareholders pocket money for using the "proud inscription"
                  1. your1970
                    your1970 5 March 2022 22: 30
                    0
                    Quote: Luminman
                    pocketed by Dutch shareholders

                    So, in general, there are 80-something percent of the shares - Chinese shareholders
              2. your1970
                your1970 5 March 2022 20: 32
                -1
                IVM was able to leave 2 departments under the jurisdiction of the Pentagon (- but even they are partially funded by Lenovo. And if Lenovo sends them tomorrow ..
      4. common man
        common man 5 March 2022 09: 16
        +2
        Quote: psiho117
        and we will indeed become part of Asia.

        Russia has been and, I hope, will forever remain a part of EURASIA.
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      6. boni592807
        boni592807 5 March 2022 19: 02
        +1
        psycho117 (Dmitry), Today, 05:44, NEW - "...Now, it seems, the period has finally come when relations with Europe will finally be changed and we will truly become part of Asia...."


        Dear, what an approach. From one IDOL(thanks to Petrusha 1), to another! negative
        Maybe FINALLY, we recognize ourselves as simply RUSSIA good
        Learn useful - YES!

        Your desire to "cling" to the stirrup of the next "ruler of souls and brains" - the new Suzerain, somehow DRESSES, stop
        Time to, having such a HISTORY as Russia has (with "brothers" and "gagodarny" saved - RI, USSR, RF), approach the issue PRAGMATICALLY - the benefit to the Motherland and indigenous peoples - citizens of the Russian Federation, has its own strategy and tactics. fellow
        1. psiho117
          psiho117 6 March 2022 18: 18
          0
          Quote: boni592807
          From one IDOL to another!
          Maybe FINALLY, we recognize ourselves as simply RUSSIA
          ... the desire to "cling" to the stirrup of the next "ruler of souls and brains" - the new Suzerain, somehow DRESSES

          What does idols and overlords have to do with it? It’s just that being friends together against someone (like we are with China against the USA) is much better than with a proudly protruding lip to say “we are RUSSIA! And we have SUCH a history!”.
          Don't give a damn about us and our history - the world is ruled by profit. And no matter how proud we are of our great history and achievements, economic, political, scientific and technological ties, and not past merits, are of paramount importance.
          And to us with China profitably be friends. And it is obvious that the palm in technological and resource-financial terms is smoothly moving from Europe and the New World to Asia.

          And it depends only on us whether we will join as a full-fledged participant in the process, or as a poor neighbor who buys technological goodies for resources.
  2. Lech from Android.
    Lech from Android. 5 March 2022 05: 12
    -3
    Here, the liberals are blowing into our ears that the whole world has rallied against Russia ... and I laugh at the narrow-minded ... maybe the whole universe will still declare against Russia ... they lie without batting an eyelid. smile
    And on the other hand, it is now clearly visible who you can deal with, and who should be kicked in the ass from the Russian market ... where you can invest our money, and where not a single ruble can be given away.
    In addition, the places where our state should invest its efforts in the domestic economy have become clearly visible.
    1. Charik
      Charik 5 March 2022 06: 03
      0
      no, these alpha centaurs are definitely for us, one of the GDP works as an adviser (well, as the British said)
    2. Dilettante grandfather
      Dilettante grandfather 5 March 2022 07: 47
      +3
      Neither Keshyyk nor Tatooine and Naboo joined the sanctions. The universe is not against us, that's obvious.
    3. victor50
      victor50 5 March 2022 12: 15
      +5
      Quote: Lech from Android.
      In addition, the places where our state should invest its efforts in the domestic economy have become clearly visible.

      Yes! This state is interesting! I finally got it, according to you! Everyone has seen it for thirty years, IT is not necessary. And people have already been brought up who believe that we do not need to produce anything (I met with such leaders who called those who offered to develop their production fools) - we will buy everything, there is oil and gas! Now, when it is already clear what will happen, is anything being done to rectify the situation? Is something being built, the right people are being recruited and searched, are there any changes in economic policy?
  3. Jacket in stock
    Jacket in stock 5 March 2022 05: 27
    +13
    The Koreans have already announced restrictions and the termination of the supply of electronics.
    Yes, and the Chinese are not our friends, on occasion they will bite like that, but with a smile and best wishes.
    1. Lech from Android.
      Lech from Android. 5 March 2022 05: 36
      -1
      As long as the Chinese do not do us dirty tricks ... the South Koreans caved in under the United States, it was expected ... like the Japanese ... the countries occupied by the Americans, what can you take from them.
      We, on the other hand, need to intensively develop technical developments on our own ... this is not the first time in our history that this has happened.
      No one will help us except ourselves.
      1. Sadam
        Sadam 5 March 2022 06: 33
        -1
        Now a barrel of crude oil is already 120. Gas is two hundred each .... we will transfer flows to China ... the only question is how much they will take it ...? In peacetime, why were the prices classified for what the Chinese took? And now, in general, for thanks, the alternative is shrinking ..... everything is serious
        1. Snail N9
          Snail N9 5 March 2022 07: 13
          +9
          That's it, only recently surfaced the price at which China buys gas from Russia - 118 USD per 1000 cubic meters. To the question How is it? "experts from the economic bloc" brushed aside - they say, it is not even worth waiting for payback, because this is not so much an economic, but a political project. No normal?
        2. Bradley
          Bradley 5 March 2022 08: 12
          +8
          In peacetime, why were the prices classified for what the Chinese took? And now, in general, for thanks, the alternative is shrinking ..... everything is serious

          We supplied them with forest with gas in the minus, they say, brothers, che.
          Here is the current China will now set tough conditions.
          We talked for a long time and often about what kind of Chinese brothers we are. But the reality is that we are just a technological sponge for them, squeezing out which they will simply throw away.
          So it goes...
          Chinese banks also supported the sanctions. Brothers...
  4. Vladimir61
    Vladimir61 5 March 2022 05: 35
    +2
    How is it, in relation to different views on a half-filled glass...? You can moan and panic, or you can build your country. The exam is not only for the political elite, but also for the people.
    In modern history, we have experienced two revolutions, the civil, the Great Patriotic, Khrushchev's thaw, Brezhnev's stagnation and Yeltsin's hangover! But, after each such cataclysm, we always revived and reckoned with us, that's all!
    1. Reptiloid
      Reptiloid 5 March 2022 07: 05
      +6
      ...build your country...

      There is an example of the pre-war industrialization of the USSR. Therefore, Victory in the Second World War. Stalin said back in 1931
      We are 50-100 years behind the advanced countries. We must make good this distance in ten years.
      We either do it or we get crushed.
      1. Egoza
        Egoza 5 March 2022 09: 00
        +2
        Quote: Reptiloid
        Stalin said back in 1931
        We are 50-100 years behind the advanced countries. We must make good this distance in ten years.
        We either do it or we get crushed.

        So this is I.V. Stalin was! And the great Soviet people! Will today's Russia pull?
        1. Reptiloid
          Reptiloid 5 March 2022 09: 18
          +7
          Good morning dear Elena hi .
          Quote: Egoza
          .... So this is I.V. Stalin was! And the great Soviet people! Will today's Russia pull?

          I also have doubts about the youth. I graduated from school in 2001. I remember the 90s well. Then many began to earn extra money while studying at school. Not understanding the reasons why the USSR was destroyed, they saw that it was difficult for parents.
          After all, there was an advertisement for alcohol and it was fashionable then to drink beer and gins on the street, it was banned much later .... and smoking. Also, growing a literate consumer did its job. How ready are the young to create and for what ....
          After the Revolution, improvements in the life of the people were immediately visible. Many peasant youth who came to the cities and young workers could compare what happened under the tsar, what happened after the Revolution.
          There was agitation among the Bolsheviks. Since it was necessary to work a lot, but not slave labor, but enthusiasm, upsurge.
    2. Lannan Shi
      Lannan Shi 5 March 2022 11: 35
      +5
      Quote: Vladimir61
      In modern history, we have experienced two revolutions, the civil, the Great Patriotic, Khrushchev's thaw, Brezhnev's stagnation and Yeltsin's hangover!

      There is just one subtle point. All situations. except for the last one, we experienced in the mode of autarky and internal mobilization. And the problem is that autarky and capitalism are combined very poorly. Yes, and internal mobilization, when some bureaucrat receives about the same as another village of tractor drivers and pensioners, is hardly possible. Simply put, the internal structure of Russia, for solving the problems that the USSR solved, is a little less suitable than nothing. Yeah.
  5. Expert_Analyst_Forecaster
    Expert_Analyst_Forecaster 5 March 2022 05: 59
    -2
    Everyone, absolutely everyone, will like Russia, which supplies cheap energy resources, metals, etc. to the markets. And buying expensive goods of the conditional West. And at the same time not having political ambitions. Submissive to the will of the West, like China ten years ago.

    No need to be at enmity with Europe. You can also trade.
    Only on fairer terms. more beneficial for us.
    The goal, after all, is not enmity, but consideration by the "partners" of our interests. For which now there is a war.
  6. Moore
    Moore 5 March 2022 06: 05
    +4
    Here's just one question: where will the Czechs put such an abyss of beer? Neighbors?

    Not really neighbors. There is an old way, tested in 2014 (the first sanctions back and forth) by the Poles: to impose their products on the younger members of the EU, that is, the Balts.
    Who squeaked there that we brew our beer no worse? So you and your apples were unmeasured, but after all, they sold you apples from Poles for next to nothing, didn’t they?
    1. Woodman
      Woodman 5 March 2022 08: 15
      +1
      Quote: Moore
      There is an old way, tested in 2014 (the first sanctions back and forth) by the Poles: to impose their products on the younger members of the EU, that is, the Balts

      Smiled) How many of those Balts? Yes, even if they don’t drink anything besides beer and start giving beer to children instead of milk, they still won’t drink so much)
  7. Maks1995
    Maks1995 5 March 2022 06: 22
    +6
    All this is general reasoning without a single figure.
    And when they give figures - a small share of the population in RUSSIA, a small share of their trade with us. And even then - oil, gas, metals, ... neo-colonialism in general.

    And suspiciously no one raises a topic that has been procrastinating all 20 years on the Internet.
    Foreign owners of the same breweries. Sweets. Sberbank. Gazprom. Rosneft. Magnet. Zhiguli. Etc.

    Nobody stuttered.
    Money does not smell?
    1. your1970
      your1970 5 March 2022 07: 10
      +1
      Quote: Max1995
      Foreign owners of the same breweries. Sweets. Sberbank. Gazprom. Rosneft. Magnet. Zhiguli. Etc.

      Nobody stuttered.
      Money does not smell?

      Belousov yesterday in Russian on all channels said about 3 ways:
      1) work as before
      2) transferred to temporary management and then returned calmly
      3) closing - with the condition "we will not give factories to saw metal and offend workers" (not literally, but the message is). Those. after a fall in the value of such enterprises at times, a ransom for a penny ...
      1. Maks1995
        Maks1995 5 March 2022 08: 59
        -2
        Ie drank our elite
        Thank you
        1. your1970
          your1970 5 March 2022 09: 05
          0
          Quote: Max1995
          Ie drank our elite
          Thank you

          And what does not suit you - if the BMW plant in Kaliningrad, which has stopped production, buys out some kind of kurkul?
          The bulk of such enterprises are household appliances + auto ...
          Or will the country be happy if the state takes over the BMW plant? And then he will butt for licenses / patents and so on?
          1. Maks1995
            Maks1995 5 March 2022 09: 08
            -1
            "devel in details".
            Kurkul will still be. The main thing is what / what. Sons of Chaika, or some kind of Zhiguli.
  8. parusnik
    parusnik 5 March 2022 06: 22
    +4
    As I understood correctly, we will not develop our own? Buy from others? Can't we transfer to Muscovites, Zhiguli, Volga? Is it tight with beer too? As with electronics? So we will win?
    1. t-12
      t-12 5 March 2022 06: 49
      -1
      "China will come and save everyone."
  9. tatra
    tatra 5 March 2022 06: 32
    0
    For 20 years, Putin and the enemies of the communists have created a primitive economy - to export natural resources and raw materials, and to import food, products of production, science, education, and intelligence.
    And for all 20 years it worked perfectly - the budget received large and huge incomes from the export of natural resources, everything was imported in the Russian Federation, the enemies of the communists freely wandered around the world, bought real estate in other countries.
    BUT, for some reason, they suddenly decided to destroy it all, and the fact that they suddenly woke up "philanthropy" for the citizens of the DPR and LPR is not true, all 30 years after they captured the RSFSR, in relation to the Russian people they prove their inhuman nature , and their "philanthropy" is included only in their slander of the Bolshevik communists.
  10. Kaufman
    Kaufman 5 March 2022 06: 35
    +5
    and our sport will only win, without foreign players, without corruption, and finally they will be forced to pull out our talented guys and girls, we have a lot of them!
  11. archiroll
    archiroll 5 March 2022 06: 41
    +5
    Do not look for where to buy - but do it yourself - once again we will step on a rake. Give resources to young and smart guys - they are in Russia! They'll do anything.

    And this is not to forget to then reimburse the costs from the losing side: for the conduct of hostilities, for losses, for sanctions + moral damage ...
  12. t-12
    t-12 5 March 2022 07: 03
    +2
    With the current dependence on imports, everything is cut off in a jiffy. Network equipment (all kinds of ciscos), mobile phones with Google Plays, etc. And Russia without communication (including without this site).
  13. svskor80
    svskor80 5 March 2022 07: 45
    +2
    In the future, cooperation, I think, will be renewed. Time heals everything, but the experience of this situation should suggest the need to demand from manufacturers entering the Russian market the 100th localization of production in a short time. Plus, clauses in the contracts that in the event of termination of cooperation for political reasons, the complete transfer of property to the ownership of the Russian state. If you do not want such conditions - your right, get out.
  14. Tank jacket
    Tank jacket 5 March 2022 07: 47
    -1

    In other words: Russians, we want to make your life unbearable! So unbearable that you would betray your Commander-in-Chief! We want to make traitors out of you, Russians!

    What can you say in response? You can only send all this western shobla on a hiking trip to the foot of the Peruvian mountain!
  15. Van 16
    Van 16 5 March 2022 07: 53
    +11
    Beer, cars, smartphones .. these are all inconveniences at the household level. In serious industries, most of the high-precision equipment (machining centers, CNC, etc.) is Western-made. Sooner or later it will start to fail.
    At one time, it was not necessary to pull pipes to all directions of the world, not to arrange world championships, but to raise our own production.
    And now .. wait and see.
    1. Phil77
      Phil77 5 March 2022 20: 14
      0
      Quote: Van 16
      and raise your production.

      It's too long and ... costly. Sarcasm!!! In the meantime? Today there was a "meeting" and? They recommended to tighten their belts and work "carefully".
      Hello Ivan!
  16. riwas
    riwas 5 March 2022 07: 54
    0
    Europe, what are we to do with you?

    Europe lives in the hope that soon everything will end and economic ties will be restored. Only nature does not tolerate emptiness. Others will come to the Russian market while Europe is fooling around.
  17. Bradley
    Bradley 5 March 2022 08: 01
    +3
    Now, if we take North Korea as an example, then they have any sanctions that Styrofoam is to axes. The country is brewing in its cauldron and nothing can get through them.

    How long will Kimchik last if people find out how people live in other countries?
    Northerners are brainwashed from birth. They really think that they live better than anyone, that they are the greatest nation, that they are the most important.



    Here, by the way, Mikey suspend the sale and provision of services in Russia.

    This means that soon everything will die out in general. We even have ATMs in 99,9% of cases on windows work (though as a rule they still work on XP), what can we say about everything else
    1. Expert_Analyst_Forecaster
      Expert_Analyst_Forecaster 5 March 2022 08: 46
      -6
      This means that soon everything will die out in general. We even have ATMs in 99,9% of cases work on windows (though as a rule they still work on XP)

      Why would? Do you think the US command software will stop working and retire? Just don't write nonsense to me, please. I'm a programmer and I know a little.
      1. Snail N9
        Snail N9 5 March 2022 09: 56
        +2
        Each time you turn on a computer with a licensed Windows, verification is first performed by the activation code, and then the account is loaded. How are we going to get around? Will we disable activation and remove the account? Well, about how blocking is done and how Google bypasses it, the experience of Huawei will help us .. And what about the Latin Internet domains, providers and mobile operators?
      2. vindigo
        vindigo 5 March 2022 16: 49
        +2
        Tsiski should all die today. Those who managed to block them from the Internet will live 90 days.
  18. Non-fighter
    Non-fighter 5 March 2022 09: 00
    -2
    And it will be very useful for Europeans to starve in terms of energy

    There is not only energy, there can also be ordinary, physical food. Plants for the production of fertilizers have been standing since autumn. And each ton of fertilizer is twenty tons of food, because without them you can’t reap a good harvest. And where to buy food? The same Americans will gladly sell both soybeans and corn.
  19. Daniil Konovalenko
    Daniil Konovalenko 5 March 2022 09: 00
    +4
    Ugums, the message of the article is this, we will change suppliers and life will get better, and they will be in hell .. Can't we offer anything new? But what? Soviet legacy? and wheat? Do we have something cutting edge? From the beginning to the end?
  20. VicktorVR
    VicktorVR 5 March 2022 09: 01
    -5
    The Europeans will have to starve in the literal sense, fertilizers cannot be obtained without cheap gas, Russia will not sell, and (I hope) Belarus will not be allowed.

    The United States is once again solving its problems at someone else's expense. China cannot be robbed, Russia has not given up, Europe has remained. And they will "eat" it.

    China simply cannot help but "take" Taiwan now, the people will not understand - some (from the point of view of the Chinese, how much population and share of world GDP does that Russia have?) Russia does what it wants, providing security and a zone of influence, and China is worse?
    1. Ashes of Claes
      Ashes of Claes 5 March 2022 11: 44
      -1
      Quote: VicktorVR
      the people will not understand - some (from the point of view of the Chinese, how much population and share of world GDP does that Russia have?) Russia does what it wants, providing security and a zone of influence, and China is worse?

      Yes, China will follow the writhings of our economy and draw some conclusions for itself.
  21. KSVK
    KSVK 5 March 2022 11: 20
    +4
    Yes, that's where it will be hot, so it's at the Russian Railways.

    And not only. At Mosgortrans, beautiful little blue Kamaz-Nefazy and Liases drive on the lines, in which only the bodywork and possibly wheels are from the domestic one. Well, part of the Liazov still has an engine, finally finished six Yaroslavl. And then you understand the engine control electronics. Otherwise, integral axles, ZF gearboxes, and even reconfiguring the gearbox for different engines is possible ONLY by ZF specialists. Ours can't. And without reconfiguring the boxes fly only on the way. MAN and Cummins engines. Autonomous heaters Webasto. Electric buses-integral bridges with motor-wheels are also ZF. Batteries are Chinese. So as the resource is depleted, and it is being developed very quickly on the line, what we will drive is a big question.
    And the most offensive thing is that in the USSR it all already happened! And automatic gearboxes and integral bridges and almost realized "low-floor". Yes, in the same Liaz 677. And for twenty!!! relatively calm "two thousandth" it was quite possible to "finish". But our "effective" managers, apparently, were very busy with other tasks, they got up from their knees.
  22. Ashes of Claes
    Ashes of Claes 5 March 2022 11: 39
    +3
    And then you have to think carefully about who to forgive and who not.

    Cool. Isn't it too early for Skomorokhov to beat the timpani and try on the referee's robe?
    Especially if by that time Russia has completely reoriented itself to the market of the East.

    To be honest, the role of "an expert in everything" Skomorokhov is not up to the task. He is, to put it mildly, no economist. The "completely reoriented" economy towards Asia is an amateurish exercise.
  23. Zaurbek
    Zaurbek 5 March 2022 11: 47
    +4
    All of these are spelled correctly. From the point of view of the purchase of consumer goods, there are no problems.
    Main problems (except purely military ones)
    1. Impoverishment of the population
    2. Problems with the purchase of technologies and equipment for their production
    3. Problems with the purchase of components and assemblies for already manufactured products.
    4. Problems with the purchase of a company with competencies in the West (bankrupt, etc.)
    1. Ashes of Claes
      Ashes of Claes 5 March 2022 12: 07
      -1
      You know, Zaur, by and large, the layman does not care about geostrategy - this is a favorite toy for a person in a bunker, and not for a person with a shovel. The inhabitant will feel the delights of Putinomics in his own skin, this is understandable. Well, and such its periphery as some basic freedoms. As they say - "Forward back!"
      1. Zaurbek
        Zaurbek 5 March 2022 13: 11
        +3
        Absolutely agree. Give the masses stability in prices and savings ...... and 90% are deeply indifferent to Ukraine and how the bloody regime puts things in order there. I don't understand why the government doesn't understand this.
  24. Bolt cutter
    Bolt cutter 5 March 2022 12: 23
    +1
    Huge EU own goal (Britain not seduced laughing ) - borders open to poor refugees from Ukraine. Their dream of a eurofreebie has become a reality in their eyes! About 4 million parasites are expected, but most likely - 6-7. Moldova and Romania are already moaning from impudence and requests. Moreover, more than half are men (more precisely, males) 20-30 years old, who instead of trenches sit in the bars of Chisinau and are outraged that the locals do not speak to them in language.
    1. Ashes of Claes
      Ashes of Claes 5 March 2022 12: 33
      -2
      Quote: Bolt Cutter
      borders open for poor refugees from Ukraine. Their dream of a eurofreebie has become a reality in their eyes!

      Absolutely! Putin's gift in the form of refugee status for those who dreamed but could not leave Ukraine for Europe. Now the dream of residency is coming true. The swiftness with which even before the first shots the crowd rushed to the checkpoint is amazing.
      1. Bolt cutter
        Bolt cutter 5 March 2022 12: 35
        +1
        I know very well the mentality of the Ukrainian immigrant and I wonder how quickly they will get everyone. In Moldova and Romania ALREADY.
        1. Ashes of Claes
          Ashes of Claes 5 March 2022 12: 58
          -1
          Quote: Bolt Cutter
          and I wonder how quickly they will get everyone.

          ))
          I think it depends on how quickly applicants' requests turn into demands. That is, when "give, please .." turns into "Give, you must ..."
          Quote: Bolt Cutter
          In Moldova and Romania ALREADY.

          I doubt that impoverished Moldova is the dream of a "European" migrant. I think the Moldovans will be happy to get rid of the transit countries.
          1. Bolt cutter
            Bolt cutter 5 March 2022 12: 59
            +1
            with what speed
            At the speed of light, that is. It could not have been otherwise.
            1. Ashes of Claes
              Ashes of Claes 5 March 2022 13: 12
              -2
              Quote: Bolt Cutter
              It could not have been otherwise.

              I agree) But, fortunately, the invasion of "Ukrainian plumbers" (or what do they specialize in there?) Does not threaten you in Britain, I think.
              1. Bolt cutter
                Bolt cutter 5 March 2022 13: 18
                +1
                "Ukrainian plumbers"
                If only... Ukrainian welfare recipients. One acquaintance of an illegal immigrant gave me - "you got a passport, why are you working?". The plans of everyone I talked to are to bring a rather big family, break through social housing and benefits, and live in panuvats. Separately, free high-quality medical care is stipulated.
                You in Britain invasion
                They allowed to bring relatives, but only to legal residents. That is, millions will not rush.
  25. Luminman
    Luminman 5 March 2022 13: 21
    -2
    Quote: Ashes of Klaas
    The economy completely reoriented" to Asia is an amateurish exercise

    In terms of population, the Celestial Empire contains almost three Europes. And in terms of GDP, it is a little short of three Europe. But it's a matter of time. Near time. Well, besides China, there are many other countries in Asia. And in Southeast Asia, they are all so-called. "tigers". Or almost "tigers"
  26. rocket757
    rocket757 5 March 2022 13: 51
    -1
    Europe, what are we to do with you?
    . Geyropa will do it herself, and the minke whales will profit from it and will be ... in short, something will happen.
    We have to mind our own business, we have a LOT of them, and hammer a bolt on the gay European ones, large and with such a thread that it would stand across them!
  27. Adagka
    Adagka 5 March 2022 14: 34
    +1
    Well, Skomorokhov has already defeated everyone a dozen times during the special operation. It's nonsense that at such a pace in a couple of years we will slide into the Stone Age, back to torches, spears and arrows, barter in kind. In a year, all air transportation will stop, the country’s imperfect transport connectivity will be disrupted, chips for calibers, zircons and everything else will run out, in a couple of years we will simply have nothing to pump oil with. Skoromokhov plans to continue to fight apparently with the very same spears and arrows. The Chinese will not sell us a damn strategic thing, because they are not the holders of key technologies, but the notorious collective West.
    1. Ptolemy Lag
      Ptolemy Lag 5 March 2022 17: 10
      -1
      Will. Very Taiwan want. And yes, you have to do it.
  28. Ermak_Timofeich
    Ermak_Timofeich 5 March 2022 14: 50
    -6
    Europe, what are we to do with you?

    Understand and drop.
  29. The fog
    The fog 5 March 2022 16: 51
    +1
    Of course, I am for ours, but somehow the author turned out to be too honey-cheered patriotically. The author did not mention our Achilles' heel in agriculture, the seed material in some crops is 100% imported, for example, sugar beets. There is no material! What will we do with civil aviation? Sukhoi and MS-21 are not impressive, and we need liners of a different class. Even if you develop your own large liner from scratch, where to build it in the right quantity and, most importantly, who will build it, there are many good articles on the problems in the modern domestic aircraft industry at VO. I'm not gloating, just don't think that there are absolute fools sitting behind the cordon. We will have to work hard before we have all this. The main thing is the will of the leadership to put all this into practice, but whether it will be, time will tell. With respect to the author.
    1. Retvizan1974
      Retvizan1974 5 March 2022 18: 16
      +1
      Yes, in Crimea, sugar is already 80 rubles / kg, for example ...
  30. Ptolemy Lag
    Ptolemy Lag 5 March 2022 17: 09
    0
    "Our enemies are in the West. Friends must be sought in the East." Alexander Yaroslavovich Nevsky
  31. Retvizan1974
    Retvizan1974 5 March 2022 18: 14
    0
    Now refugees (read - Nazis) have also rushed to Geyropu, "to the heap" from the military or, as I recently saw, from the second-hand (Former Ukraine). But these people are much harsher than anyone there ... well, who "flooded Europe" there, so as not to offend?
  32. evgen1221
    evgen1221 5 March 2022 22: 12
    0
    And some Russians, after all the good things Europe has arranged for us, in principle will never again buy anything European-made. And with the presence of Chinese and our substitutes, it will be difficult to make up for such a failure. Plus, until the states with Europe rep for the inconvenience, the abolition of royalties and licenses for their patents will help us a lot - copy whatever you want, teach your engineers to think why and why the mechanism is made this way, and create something of your own and significantly on this basis cooler. Perspectives are a sight to behold. Just stop tantrums and start working for the benefit of not yourself, but the whole country.
  33. Living7111972
    Living7111972 5 March 2022 22: 18
    0
    Everything in this world, despite the puffing out of the cheeks by different and smart ones, depends on the infantry flight of the Russian Armed Forces, and it doesn’t matter what his name is, Vaska or Akhmetka, here again everything depends on him!
    Everything is in the hands of our boys, pray for them!
  34. ont65
    ont65 6 March 2022 04: 20
    0
    I don’t know about the winners, in any country this category belongs to the elite, and the population, even in the United States, is in a stupor from what is happening. It is clear that globalism died along with the unipolar world, but relying on the production of everything locally in a single country is a utopia dooming to stagnation and unjustified expenses. Now there is a transition to economically connected agglomerations, where a superpower sits in the center of each. All this already happened when the world was divided into two blocks, but now there are more poles.