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Why the Armed Forces of Ukraine do not evacuate civilians

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Very often I hear questions about humanitarian corridors for civilians, about the evacuation of civilians from the territory of the LDPR, and, conversely, about why the Ukrainian authorities do not organize such an evacuation from settlements that Russian troops are approaching. And often the answer is already laid in the formulation of the question itself.


This prompted me to think about the need to understand what is happening now, deeper. Readers, without suspecting it, take a point of view that is beneficial to Ukrainian nationalists and, in general, to the enemies of the Ukrainian people.

Yesterday in Telegram, I already expressed my opinion on the issue of the underground in Kyiv and other cities. Today it is simply necessary to clarify this issue for the people. In the name of the people.

Why did the Republicans evacuate their children, women and the elderly before the start of the operation?


Let's start with the simplest question, with the evacuation of civilians from the territory of the republics. How it was done is not discussed. Although leaders of all ranks, as I think, have already received gratitude from their people and will continue to receive it.

From the beginning of the year, it was clear that Ukraine was clearly provoking Russia. If it was somehow “blurred” far from the front line, then the closer to the Ukrainian positions, the greater was the understanding that something would begin soon. I repeatedly contacted people from Donetsk who directly spoke about the preparation of the nationalists for an attack.

And they didn’t just talk, but named specific units that moved the Armed Forces of Ukraine, as well as new artillery positions and other clear signs of preparation for an offensive. Naturally, no one even suspected the beginning of the operation of the Russian army. Everyone lived in full confidence that everything would pass as usual. That is, no way.

By the way, judging by the documents captured during the offensive, the attack really should have started literally "any minute", immediately after the departure of the Russian units after the exercises. And it was supposed to start with a massive bombardment of the cities of Donbass.

So the evacuation of civilians is a preventive measure to save people. The leadership of the republics really saved people.

Exactly the same can be said about the actions of Russia at that moment. At that time, there was no decision to carry out demilitarization and denazification. I think the catalyst for his (decision) adoption was Zelensky's statement about withdrawing from the agreements on nuclear arms and the creation of the Ukrainian atomic bomb. Russia has no choice left.

Why Ukrainian authorities do not evacuate people?


Let's start with the most popular version. From the "human shield". Indeed, the network is full of videos in which local residents film military equipment in the yards of residential buildings, machine gun nests and positions of grenade launchers equipped right in the apartments, the location of the battalions and the Armed Forces of Ukraine right in schools, hospitals and other public places.

Especially there are a lot of messages from those settlements where units of punishers are located. There, not only are positions being set up right in houses inhabited by people, but also operating enterprises, schools, hospitals are mined there in order to blow them up when they withdraw, and then use this fact to create a negative image of the Russian army.

To understand why this is happening at all, it is necessary to go back to the recent history of humanity, then in no way connected with Ukraine. This tactic was first used in Syria. It was there that Hamas and Hezbollah terrorists were the first to set up positions inside dense residential developments, while not letting local residents out of the combat zone.

The instructors who trained the terrorists, then still "fighters against the bloody regime", were the British. It was MI6 that sent its employees to work with opponents of Bashar al-Assad. I recently wrote that these same employees, sometimes even by name, were training the Armed Forces of Ukraine and punishers in Ukraine. The same British instructors - the same manner of fighting for terrorists and militants.

Here again I have to answer one more question. Why do we, having met resistance on the approaches to large cities, stop? You know, there is a very wise saying in the East. Each donkey must wear its own ears. There is simply no need for a motorized rifle or tank unit to meddle in the city. There are specialists who are a cut above in such matters than such units.

The same military police from Chechnya has combat experience that the best units in the world can envy. And it is the experience of working in such conditions. So it turns out that when they meet with the enemy, Chechen fighters swear with commanders because they are kept in reserve, and when cleaning up settlements, paratroopers and motorized riflemen swear about the same thing.

There is another reason. As paradoxical as it sounds, residents simply do not want to leave the cities. The officials who should have made the decision to evacuate did not accept it. And people, despite the cruelest propaganda, believe the Russians. They believe that the Russians will not touch the civilians. Here the role is played by the fact that the Internet network is preserved, and you can contact not only with neighbors, but also with residents of other cities.

These people are waiting for the end of the operation. They will not come out to meet the Russian army. They are intimidated by the Nazis and do not yet believe that they were expelled forever. The officials do the same. The fear has passed. Even Ukrainian flags are not removed. So, we will continue to work as we have been working. But most importantly, they do not go to die stupidly for ideas that are alien to them.

There is also a third reason. The Ukrainians have already understood that if there are no units of the Armed Forces of Ukraine or punishers in the settlement, then the army will not even go there. It just passes by and that's it. And if so, why leave? Everyone knows today that the Russians do not fight civilians. Even enemies.

Yesterday I watched an interesting video about how, in one of the towns, several dozen employees of a nuclear power plant tried to stop a column of the Russian army. It's that simple. We went out on the road and said - we will not miss it. And the column got up. Negotiations began. In the end, the military simply dispersed the crowd with shots in the air, and the column passed by.

How much do you need to be sure that they will not open fire on a civilian in order to try to stop our convoy with your bare hands during hostilities? Provocation? Maybe. Should these people be punished? Probably not.

Conclusion


They kill in battle. In war, houses are destroyed and infrastructure is destroyed. Unfortunately, the death of a civilian during the fighting is not uncommon. And projectiles don't target. It is sometimes difficult to even determine where this or that bullet came from. Not to mention fragments, mines and other things that bring death.

Combat operations in dense residential areas are always associated with special risks. This is a very specific kind of combat and most of the time armies do it simply. Destroy enemy positions along with buildings. Not really caring about the fact that there may be civilians in the buildings.

Cruel? And what options does the commander of the advancing unit have? Or put a platoon, company, battalion in front of these positions, or raze them to the ground with artillery. So, there is nothing new left for me but to call on the civilian population, which is now in the war zone, to behave like the inhabitants of Donbass for eight years. Hide in the subway, in bomb shelters, in basements, if they are equipped. Don't try to see what's going on. This is not a movie or a game. No one will figure out who appeared in the window, curious or adversary. They just shoot and that's it. Do not interfere with the soldiers and do not risk yourself.
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  1. Vladimir_2U
    Vladimir_2U 4 March 2022 04: 37
    +12
    This is not the first time I have proposed to massively print and cover all settlements in front of the Russian Army with leaflets. In leaflets (flyers), briefly indicate ways to save lives during shelling, how to behave when meeting with armed people (no matter which army) and be sure to indicate the rights of the soldiers of the Russian army with the clauses of the Charter on the immunity of sentries.
    1. Lech from Android.
      Lech from Android. 4 March 2022 05: 33
      +4
      It seems that there were mailings on social networks on how to behave in the war zone to the civilian population.
      This should be done on a permanent basis.
      1. Vladimir_2U
        Vladimir_2U 4 March 2022 05: 37
        +7
        Quote: Lech from Android.
        It seems that there were mailings on social networks on how to behave in the war zone to the civilian population.
        On a discharged phone and a de-energized computer, there is not the slightest sense from mailing.
        1. Lech from Android.
          Lech from Android. 4 March 2022 05: 40
          +2
          With a leaflet, the Nazis will catch a person, shoot him like a drink ... they are frostbitten on the head.
          1. Vladimir_2U
            Vladimir_2U 4 March 2022 05: 42
            +2
            Quote: Lech from Android.
            With a leaflet, the Nazis will catch a person, shoot him like a drink...they are frostbitten on the head.

            And there is no need to carry it, it’s not like a pass, I read it and threw it away. If necessary, I read it several times and threw it away several times.
        2. Egoza
          Egoza 4 March 2022 09: 00
          0
          Quote: Vladimir_2U
          On a discharged phone and a de-energized computer, there is not the slightest sense from mailing.

          And add that in many villages there is simply no Internet. And even if there is, not everyone has a computer.
      2. bayard
        bayard 4 March 2022 06: 00
        +8
        There was a message about a fire at the Zaporozhye nuclear power plant. The educational building is on fire. According to available videos on the network, several incendiary (!) Ammunition flew into the territory - they flew slowly, glowing very brightly. there was no explosion when it fell, just a brighter flash than before and a rather rapid decay. Without destruction, even the lights around did not go out. similar to phosphorus mines, which the Nazis often used in the Donbass, starting from Slavyansk, Semyonovka.
        The slow hinged flight of the ammunition indicates that it is a mortar, a white smoky trail, a flash and burning on the ground. It is a pity the quality of the picture from the NPP surveillance camera, black and white and of insufficient quality.

        And then, as if by order, "panic" in all enemy publics, the Air Force and all Ukrainian ones, with the young faces of the Nazis "NPP press services" ... No matter how the creatures decided to let the reactors run wild.
        ... In vain they did not disperse the crowd during the day, when they prevented them from taking control of the nuclear power plant. And the fact that the Nazis settled there the day before was known in advance. If these bastards switched to ISIS methods, anything can be expected from these drug addicts.
        1. businessv
          businessv 4 March 2022 20: 16
          0
          Quote: bayard
          ... No matter how the creatures decide to let the reactors run wild.
          I thought that everyone was already aware - the Zaporozhye NPP has been under the protection of the Russian Guard since February 28.02, yesterday there was an attack on the patrol, then the attackers set fire to the training complex. The fire is extinguished.
          1. Shahno
            Shahno 4 March 2022 20: 22
            -3
            //Russian Guards since 28.02//
            Or you can announce the document on the basis of which the Russian Guard is located on the territory of Ukraine. Well, if it is...
            1. sagitovich
              sagitovich 4 March 2022 21: 48
              +1
              Whoever is guarding the nuclear power plant, go to them, ask for documents. They will announce them to you there ...
            2. businessv
              businessv 4 March 2022 21: 59
              0
              Quote: Shahno
              Or you can announce the document on the basis of which the Russian Guard is located on the territory of Ukraine.

              Can you ask a smarter and a little more logical question ?! Info here: https://ria.ru/20220304/zaes-1776459035.html
          2. bayard
            bayard 5 March 2022 11: 16
            0
            Quote: businessv
            I thought that everyone was already aware - the Zaporozhye NPP has been under the protection of the National Guard since February 28.02, yesterday there was an attack on the patrol, then the attackers set fire to the training complex.

            Of course, I heard statements that the nuclear power plant was taken under protection and control. As I saw the footage, where crowds of inadequate people blocked the Russian military from entering the territory of the nuclear power plant.
            And how (!) was the "protection and control of the nuclear power plant" organized if the militants of the National Guard drove into its territory (!) on the armored car "Kozak" (!!), penetrated into the educational building and organized shelling of the patrol from there ??
            I believe that NPP security should be carried out DIRECTLY at the facility (NPP), with the installation of checkpoints at all entrances and external patrols. This is an object (objects) of special importance and extreme danger. Especially during database maintenance.
            Quote: businessv
            The fire is extinguished.

            I know - I tracked those events almost live.
  2. A. Privalov
    A. Privalov 4 March 2022 05: 36
    +3
    This tactic was first used in Syria. It was there that Hamas and Hezbollah terrorists were the first to set up positions inside dense residential developments, while not letting local residents out of the combat zone.

    Dear Alexander Mikhailovich, I am extremely glad that Hezbollah and Hamas have finally been named terrorists on the pages of the VO. My personal respect, gratitude and low bow to you.
    However, for the sake of fairness, it should be noted that Hamas, although they are terrorists and notorious scoundrels, have never waged military operations in Syria.
    In the past, Hamas kept its overseas headquarters in Damascus, but with the onset of civil strife there, Islamist leaders, including Haniya's predecessor, Khaled Mashaal, left the country, refusing to support its leadership in confronting the opposition.
    The Hamas leadership, which has enjoyed Syrian hospitality for over 10 years, refused to hold a demonstration in support of Assad, despite the requests of the Syrian leadership. Hamas also refused to sign a petition in support of President Assad, which was already signed by several other Palestinian parties and movements. They feared popular anger if the Assad regime collapsed.
    As for the use of the civilian population as human shields, Hamas is really famous for this, they did it in the Gaza Strip with their population more than once, for example, in 2008, during Operation Cast Lead, Operation Pillar of Cloud in 2012, the “Indestructible Rock” operation in 2014, etc., when they installed rocket launchers in the courtyards of schools, on the territory of medical institutions, mosques, in dense urban residential areas, etc.
    Well, what did Hezbollah do with the civilian population of Lebanon, this is generally a separate conversation. No comments on the article will be enough to talk about it, since the terrorists, they are top-notch, who until recently kidnapped and killed Russian diplomats, and today they walk proudly in the friends of Russia.

    Yes, I almost forgot! Where and in what quantity, Ukraine had to evacuate its citizens? She does not have the Urals and the Far East, not to mention Central Asia. After the start of the "special operation", the Russian troops were already near Kiev in a couple of hours. And why? Russia, on the other hand, convinced everyone that it was not taking any hostile actions against Ukraine, that there would be no hostilities, and that all these accumulations of manpower and equipment were just military exercises on its own territory.
    1. carstorm 11
      carstorm 11 4 March 2022 07: 21
      -2
      Well, indirectly, you agree that the Armed Forces of Ukraine and the National Battalions behave like terrorists with civilians. It's already good. Evacuation? Ours will not go to the west. My opinion, of course, but it all points to it.
      1. North Caucasus
        North Caucasus 4 March 2022 08: 00
        +1
        Maybe I'm wrong. But many are already self-evacuating. Especially the western regions. Evacuated towards the EU. Volunteers going to fight for the glory of Ukraine do not seem to be visible. There are like European volunteers. But what are they volunteering for? In the name of dough, in the name of free Europe or Ukraine, can die in the name of freedom? Who from Ukraine and its western regions, can you describe the situation?
    2. EvilLion
      EvilLion 4 March 2022 08: 52
      +1
      It is really impossible to evacuate the entire population of Kyiv, Kharkov, or even Mariupol, but if some family can go to someone from their relatives in another city for a couple of weeks, where there are no fights, then this is already less people at risk, less difficulties with supply, to bring water in tanks to the whole microdistrict - this is another task. Outside the cities, there are also summer cottages, various sanatoriums and recreation camps, that is, places that can accommodate thousands of people for some time. Even if you have to sleep after filling all the corridors, it's still a roof over your head, centralized protection from bandits and a working sewer.

      And why don’t Ukrainians let people out of Mariupol, because this is a Russian city, and Ukrainians are occupiers there, and they behave accordingly, trying to cause as much harm as possible before fleeing or inglorious gasp. For them, these are not their people.

      In the case of Kharkov, I suspect that there will be an overflow of the population into the zone occupied by our army, there is water and humanitarian aid. There would be relatives in those places who would host for a week.

      and today they walk proudly in the friends of Russia


      For Russia, they are not friends at all, they are just against ISIS too. And so the Russian Federation did not fit in for them.
  3. Comrade
    Comrade 4 March 2022 06: 24
    +9
    My classmate at the Polytechnic University is now enthusiastically running around one of the regional centers of central Ukraine with Molotov cocktails, dreaming of setting Russian tanks on fire. I wrote to him, saying, think about your family, about your grandson. You are not a boy for a long time, the years take their toll, you will be shot before you have time to swing.
    And for what are you ready to sacrifice your life, for the sake of virtual reality, into which you were driven by ghouls, who sucked out all your juices? Come to your senses!
    While he is silent, he does not answer anything.
    Along the way, a question to knowledgeable people.
    How much damage can a Molotov cocktail cause to a modern tank? I understand that the question is not specific, general.
    In Ukraine, they rush about this idea like fools with a written sack.
    1. Egoza
      Egoza 4 March 2022 09: 05
      +2
      Quote: Comrade
      My classmate at the Polytechnic University is now enthusiastically running around one of the regional centers of central Ukraine with Molotov cocktails, dreaming of setting Russian tanks on fire.

      Are you sure you're dreaming? Maybe he’s just trying to show his loyalty so that the Nazis or the defense forces don’t touch it?
      1. sagitovich
        sagitovich 5 March 2022 05: 24
        +1
        And it’s not better to just sit in the hut and not try to be a hero. Otherwise death...
  4. riwas
    riwas 4 March 2022 08: 13
    +2
    Very often I hear questions about humanitarian corridors for civilians, about the evacuation of civilians from the territory of the LDNR, and, conversely, about why the Ukrainian authorities do not organize such an evacuation from settlements that Russian troops are approaching.

    The question is rhetorical. Ukraine is ruled by the United States, and it is beneficial for them to shed as much Ukrainian and Russian blood as possible.
  5. steelmaker
    steelmaker 4 March 2022 10: 19
    +2
    The main mistake is that Putin constantly talks about the brotherly people. He was fraternal in 2014, now hostile. They shoot in the back. If it goes on like this, our army will preach the thesis of a fraternal people, then we will wash ourselves with blood to the fullest. In war you will never be white and fluffy. If you want to be a saint, go to a monastery, not to the army. When entire cities are held hostage by the Nazis, there is no point in delaying. Both the hostages and our soldiers will die. There will still be victims. We have to storm. Then the losses on our part will definitely be less.
    1. Awaz
      Awaz 4 March 2022 19: 59
      +1
      You know what I'll say: I have friends in Kharkov. Well, they live near Kharkov, and their daughters bought an apartment and are repairing it. People are quite adequate, but the attitude towards Russia is neutral with a slight negative. Previously, a man went to Russia and somewhere in the north he made a lot of money. Very good attitude to those times. Now it’s worse, because, it seems, they understand that they are better off with Russia, but the TV presses, and even in 14 they seemed to hope that they would really get rid of Bandera Ukraine, but no one came to help, and so on. Now occasionally we communicate and discuss what is happening. It seems that the rejection has intensified, because they understand that the city is being killed and that even in the best case Kharkov will still remain with Ukraine and that the Nazis and Bandera will not go anywhere. At his work, the director was brought from Lvov on principle and refuses to speak Russian with everyone, although the whole team speaks only Russian with him in principle.
      Moreover, they understand that the APU began to shell the city. I don’t know how true this is (they are also hearsay), but it started with the fact that some gifted individuals began to call the SBU and wherever else they could when they noticed the movement of Russian soldiers. These calls of the Armed Forces of Ukraine were simply worked out at the address from Gradov or mortars.
      1. businessv
        businessv 4 March 2022 20: 27
        0
        Quote: AwaZ
        Very good attitude to those times. Now it’s worse, because, it seems, they understand that they are better off with Russia, but the TV presses, and even in 14 they seemed to hope that they would really get rid of Bandera Ukraine, but no one came to help, and so on.

        The same story with friends who went to the referendum in 2014 in the Donbass, and today they are just seething with hatred! Propaganda worked all these 8 years and worked for good reason! After all, during this time, children managed to be born and go to school!
      2. sagitovich
        sagitovich 5 March 2022 05: 28
        +1
        And you also call, just indicate the address of the area planned for construction, according to the general plan, indicate. Those. empty field, within the boundaries of the settlement.
  6. gorenina91
    gorenina91 4 March 2022 15: 10
    +1
    - It is completely incomprehensible - how can you save the civilian population? - There is an operation to destroy the fascist regime, whose troops are very well trained, well-armed and occupy fortified positions (and as it becomes clear - the forces of the Armed Forces of Ukraine do not lack ammunition) !!! - So how to deal with them, if you do not use all the military powerful destructive means against them ??? - Well, if all this is not applied to them, then all that remains is to cease fire and start waiting - when their "conscience awakens" in them and they begin to surrender ... - this is sheer terrible and disgusting absurdity !!! - Everyone understands that the Armed Forces of Ukraine and the Nazis are doing monstrous things - and they were also given "carte blanche" - to use their own civilian population for their own vile purposes ... - they understood this and felt impunity !!!
    - And then suddenly Russia and Ukraine still arranged some kind of "negotiations"; where the desired results will never be achieved!
    - And the second meeting of these "negotiations" was generally disgusting - how joyfully and cheerfully shook hands with each other - our delegation (led by Medynsky) and the delegates from the Natsiks !!! - At the next "negotiation meeting" in general, they will probably hug ... like bosom friends and relatives !!!
    1. businessv
      businessv 4 March 2022 20: 30
      0
      Quote: gorenina91
      At the next "negotiation meeting" in general, they will probably hug ... like bosom friends and relatives !!!

      It seems to me that you voiced the opinion of the majority, but the pluses are not visible. Why?
  7. Awaz
    Awaz 4 March 2022 17: 25
    +1
    This is all understandable, but why did the RF Armed Forces climb to clean up Kharkov without even surrounding it? We also have "smart" ammunition, drones, etc., etc. We wait for some time, marinate and work on the identified accumulations of the enemy with smart weapons.
    And to the question of what to do to the population during the fighting in the city ... Look what is walking on the Internet about a house somewhere near Kiev, everything was filmed by a drone ... It clearly shows what you would not do if it hits - this is the end.
    1. gorenina91
      gorenina91 4 March 2022 17: 54
      0
      And to the question of what to do to the population during the fighting in the city ... Look what is walking on the Internet about a house somewhere near Kiev, everything was filmed by a drone ...

      - Yes, the fact is that if the Zelensky government is not subject to the Aidarovtsy, Azov and other Nazis and scumbags, then what is the point of holding some kind of "negotiations" with the arrived clowns, "authorized from the government", which is nothing does not decide; does not affect anything and no longer has real power ???
      - They will agree with them on "providing a corridor" for civilians - and these scumbags will open fire on civilians when they go through these crossings !!! - And who will then be blamed for the deaths of civilians ??? - Of course, Russia!
      - These "negotiations" are a complete setup and provocation!!!
  8. UltraRed
    UltraRed 4 March 2022 20: 19
    +1
    According to the experience of fighting in the center of Grozny in the winter of 1995
    Complete safety of the civilian population when leaving the basements - only TWO DAYS after the cessation of fighting on your street!
    Why?
    1. In a large city, it is usually difficult to control a "solid" front line, which leads to all sorts of "wandering DRGs" at night..
    2. There are always directors of fire from high-rises into the depths of enemy positions.
    3. And most importantly, the retreating side often leaves to cover the retreat of any "snipers or machine gunners" from among frankly inadequate people, such as drug addicts, drunks or "sadistic-lovers to kill" who are ready to open fire on "everything alive."
    As a rule, TWO DAYS after the end of the shooting is just the time to level these factors.
    Please repost this as much as possible!
  9. Ros 56
    Ros 56 5 March 2022 10: 03
    0
    Strange title. Apparently because the fascist Nazis and it is pointless to expect anything else from them.
  10. kriten
    kriten 5 March 2022 12: 10
    0
    The Armed Forces of Ukraine are the same fascists as the Nazis. For them, their population is cannon fodder, which can and should be destroyed, can and should be destroyed, as Hitler did in 1945, ordering everyone to be destroyed, because they did not live up to his hopes .