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The Ukrainian delegation is frightened by the historical context of possible negotiations in Belovezhskaya Pushcha

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Mikhail Podolyak, representing the negotiating team from Ukraine



The Russian delegation has already arrived on the territory of Belarus for the second round of negotiations with the Ukrainian side. Moreover, the delegation of the Russian Federation is in Belovezhskaya Pushcha.

Even during the first Russian-Ukrainian negotiations, before the news that there would be second ones - moreover, on the Polish-Belarusian border, Military Review published material "Belovezhye on the contrary", which spoke about the prospects for unfolding the situation in a known historical context. The Belarusian Foreign Ministry subsequently reported that the second round of Russian-Belarusian negotiations would be hosted by the Belovezhskaya Pushcha "Hunter's House".

Now the Ukrainian delegation, apparently understanding the very significance of the possible negotiations in Belovezhskaya Pushcha, began to say that negotiations would take place, "but not in Belovezhskaya Pushcha." This, in particular, was stated by the representative of the Ukrainian side, David Arakhamia, who heads the Servant of the People faction in the Verkhovna Rada.

Another representative of Ukraine, Mikhail Podolyak (adviser in President Zelensky's Office), transparently hinted that if the Russian delegation expects the Ukrainian one in Belovezhya, it is unlikely to wait.

Podolyak:

Wait for the real dialogue to start.

Already from these statements, it is clear that for official Kyiv, the main role is played not by the ability to stop what is happening by accepting the basic conditions of Moscow, but rather by historical context. This context of Zelensky's representatives (Ukrainian delegation) is frightening.

Apparently, the Maidan authorities are afraid that the symbolic place may somehow affect not only the very course of the negotiations, but also, as they say, their aura and the final result.
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  1. Lech from Android.
    Lech from Android. 3 March 2022 06: 28
    +19
    began to say that negotiations would take place, "but not in Belovezhskaya Pushcha."

    Again, the brains are powdering the crooks of Bandera ... wriggling like worms on a hook.
    1. Clear
      Clear 3 March 2022 06: 49
      +15
      Quote: Lech from Android.
      began to say that negotiations would take place, "but not in Belovezhskaya Pushcha."

      Again, the brains are powdering the crooks of Bandera ... wriggling like worms on a hook.

      If every leadership of Ukraine, since 1991, has only worsened the situation in their country, then why, all of a sudden, now it will act wisely? request
      1. Civil
        Civil 3 March 2022 06: 57
        -35
        Two capitalist countries of the 3rd world are trying to sign a truce (it is useless) do not drag the USSR into this.
        1. Thrifty
          Thrifty 3 March 2022 07: 03
          +24
          Civil-Russia is not a third world country, as you write, and the UK'-Roina is not a country at all, but a territory of residence of cheated millions of people ...
          1. Civil
            Civil 3 March 2022 07: 05
            -20
            Quote: Thrifty
            Civil-Russia is not a third world country, as you write, and the UK'-Roina is not a country at all, but a territory of residence of cheated millions of people ...

            The remnants of the former Ukraine are dragging out the process, knowing that tomorrow the opening of the Paralympic Games 2022 in the submarine PRC. Russia is a capitalist country with a developing economy. Signs of countries of the 3rd world can be found in Yandex. The USSR was a first world country.
            1. tatra
              tatra 3 March 2022 08: 00
              -2
              Ha, but what kind of enemies of the communists who seized the RSFSR have a "developing" State?
              For 30 years, and for the colossal money that they pumped out of Russia and the Russian people, they ruined ALL industries in Russia, and created their miserable raw-material-import-speculative economy, which they themselves destroyed during these days.
              Now they can neither import nor export anything.
              And from the fact that they are throwing minuses on sane people and patriots of Russia, this truth will not change.
              1. Civil
                Civil 3 March 2022 08: 20
                -3
                but what kind of enemies of the communists who seized the RSFSR - "developing"

                Well, this is such a term not to offend. Glory to the CPSU (b).
              2. Repellent
                Repellent 3 March 2022 10: 00
                +2
                Quote: tatra
                cons are thrown here sane people and patriots of Russia

                It is you so yourself, beloved, characterized? belay

                Well, you fucking give! (from)

                PS: Although, in general, it is correct. You won’t praise yourself - (vegetable) you’ll wait ... yes
              3. bk316
                bk316 3 March 2022 19: 49
                0
                Irin, do you know that since yesterday you can answer for the market for 10 years.
                So change the hashtag #enemiesofcommunists to something more neutral... laughing
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    3. Vend
      Vend 3 March 2022 10: 18
      +1
      Previously, one had to be afraid when they relied on Russophobia, now it's too late
    4. iouris
      iouris 3 March 2022 11: 03
      +1
      1) "Bandera" is "gosdepovskoe".
      2) If you have brains, then you can’t powder them.
      3) Negotiation is a way of warfare, fighting is carried out to achieve victory, and victory is the achievement of the goals of war.
    5. kytx
      kytx 3 March 2022 19: 46
      0
      Yes. But he didn't win, he lost. Not 100 rubles, but a thousand, and not in preference, but in a point! (C) anek
  2. Nexcom
    Nexcom 3 March 2022 06: 29
    +14
    time is dragging. stupidly trying to buy time. it is likely that the promised deliveries of weapons and equipment have time to arrive, so that mercenaries have time to arrive, etc.
    1. NIKN
      NIKN 3 March 2022 08: 46
      +2
      Apparently, the Maidan authorities are afraid that the symbolic place may somehow affect not only the very course of the negotiations, but also, as they say, their aura and the final result.
      What superstitious. But 13 year old girls rape superstition does not count.
      1. Nexcom
        Nexcom 3 March 2022 08: 54
        +2
        Throw those. Without pity.
    2. Xnumx vis
      Xnumx vis 3 March 2022 09: 35
      +1
      Quote: Nexcom
      so that the promised deliveries of weapons and equipment have time to arrive, so that mercenaries have time to arrive, etc.

      Probably . Under the guise of negotiations, a lull and no hostilities on a certain section of the border. And there is a march, throwing equipment, weapons, mercenaries across the border .. So they are looking for a place and time ... Everything scares them... How many lived in Svidouukraine, I was always amazed at the lies and cynicism of all this Bandera-Kosvidomite government. Lies, lies, lies ... Our respect is shown to them ... Damn! am
  3. Rurikovich
    Rurikovich 3 March 2022 06: 35
    +12
    Trolled notably good laughing laughing laughing
    The next place of negotiations - Solovki wassat laughing laughing
    1. Lech from Android.
      Lech from Android. 3 March 2022 06: 36
      +6
      Better in Magadan...
      1. Nexcom
        Nexcom 3 March 2022 06: 38
        +6
        Delivery to the place, two-handed saws and overalls are included free of charge. There you will forget the gas......
    2. Nyrobsky
      Nyrobsky 3 March 2022 09: 55
      +1
      Quote: Rurikovich
      Trolled notably good laughing laughing laughing
      The next place of negotiations - Solovki wassat laughing laughing

      These bovids should not be afraid of Belovezhskaya Pushcha, but of the new Nuremberg. That's where the historical context is, so the context is the trial of war criminals by the Nazis, followed by executions by hanging.
  4. Cat Alexandrovich
    Cat Alexandrovich 3 March 2022 06: 43
    +4
    Versalchik is also a place that is clearly ambiguous ... hi
  5. Roust
    Roust 3 March 2022 06: 43
    +10
    Something reminds me of all this dirty slut that the Anglo-Saxons bought for lacy panties, sailed and left. Brother, Slavs! Stop shedding Slavic blood for the joy of the Anglo-Saxons! God is with us ! May the Almighty help us all!
    1. tatarin1972
      tatarin1972 3 March 2022 07: 01
      +8
      They are not brothers to us, greasy nits.
      1. Clear
        Clear 3 March 2022 07: 23
        +6
        Quote: tatarin1972
        They are not brothers to us, greasy nits.

        2nd of March. 20.20 Ministry of Defense of the Russian Federation:
        The tank crew under the command of senior lieutenant Starostin, repelling the attack with significantly superior enemy forces, destroyed 8 armored vehicles (BTR-80) and more than 100 nationalists, preventing them from breaking through to the crossing. During the battle, a Russian tank was attacked by an American Javelin ATGM. The crew received a shell shock, but did not leave the battle. After making sure that the equipment was in good condition, 2 more enemy tanks were destroyed by well-aimed fire.

        2nd of March. 20.15 Ministry of Defense of the Russian Federation:
        The crew of one of the Russian tanks under the command of Senior Sergeant Nimchenko destroyed 40 armored vehicles (9 tanks and 6 BTR-3s) and more than 80 nationalists within 90 minutes with well-aimed fire.
      2. Terenin
        Terenin 3 March 2022 08: 02
        +10
        Quote: tatarin1972
        They are not brothers to us, greasy nits.

        It's time to call a spade a spade.
        This "brotherhood" is directly "killing" me too, the civilians were clearly told where the evacuation corridors were. But, no, they happily drag our padded equipment to their yards and make faces with a selfie near it.
        And, there’s no talk about a warrior at all, 75% of us are enemies, my heart hurts for our soldiers, in the hump, I saw this fucking humanism at our expense.
        1. Egoza
          Egoza 3 March 2022 08: 42
          +2
          Quote: Terenin
          civilians were clearly told where the evacuation corridors were. But, no, they happily drag our padded equipment to their yards and make faces with a selfie near it.

          Maybe there are such id ... you, but most often people are not allowed into these same corridors. On the contrary, they are driven into houses so that they do not run away, and then the Nazis have someone to hide behind.
          1. tatarin1972
            tatarin1972 3 March 2022 08: 55
            0
            You probably just do not know the mentality of Ukrainians. Or perhaps forgotten.
        2. Flooding
          Flooding 3 March 2022 08: 59
          +4
          Quote: Terenin
          civilians were clearly told where the evacuation corridors were. But, no, they happily drag our padded equipment to their yards and make faces with a selfie near it.

          humanitarian corridors - for the urban population
          pulls into the yards - the rural population

          are you angry at the civilian population for being intimidated and fearing for the lives of their families?
      3. Xnumx vis
        Xnumx vis 3 March 2022 09: 38
        +2
        Quote: tatarin1972
        They are not brothers to us, greasy nits.

        I personally have four cousins ​​and six nephews living there. And in Russia it's about the same .... So think ... Do not rush words. We are men.
        1. tatarin1972
          tatarin1972 3 March 2022 10: 07
          +1
          I also have relatives there, even though I’m a Tatar, only my grandfather was born in 1914 in Gorlovka, my father’s younger sister lives in the Lviv region, back in 2014, the clattering of nephews got tired - Glory to the Heroes, Glory to the Heroes. So, here you will begin to understand the relationship, you will completely lose the coast. And in theory, we have a civil war going on, in all its color.
          1. Xnumx vis
            Xnumx vis 3 March 2022 10: 13
            +1
            Quote: tatarin1972
            And in theory, we have a civil war going on, in all its color.

            Totally agree with you . There is a civil war going on. Not Russia with Ukraine namely the civil war. There are so many crazy people here in Russia ... It almost comes to fights. My "Ukrainians" are a little smarter or something .. they don't get into anything. Yes, I gave them advice.
    2. sniperino
      sniperino 3 March 2022 10: 44
      0
      Quote: Roust
      bought for lace panties
      Worn pantaloons with holes from Elizabeth II only according to the documents passed as "lace panties". Dyak for a royal gift.
  6. Per se.
    Per se. 3 March 2022 06: 54
    +8
    "Military Review" published the material "Belovezhye on the contrary", which spoke about the prospects for unfolding the situation in a well-known historical context.
    In Belovezhskaya Pushcha "three alcoholics", traitors, independently dissolved the Soviet Union, it would be logical and fair, by the centenary of the USSR, to revive a new Union from White, Small and Great Russia.
  7. dmmyak40
    dmmyak40 3 March 2022 06: 57
    +6
    David Arakhamia ... Is this the fool who sat at the negotiating table in a cap? What to expect from him?
    1. Clear
      Clear 3 March 2022 07: 04
      +5
      Quote: dmmyak40
      David Arakhamia ... Is this the fool who sat at the negotiating table in a cap? What to expect from him?

      These are Ukrainian criminal realities at all levels, incl. and political.
  8. Humpty
    Humpty 3 March 2022 06: 58
    +3
    Compiègne wagon, there are parallels.
  9. ivan2022
    ivan2022 3 March 2022 07: 07
    +5
    only the confiscation of property and deposits can scare this gopota .... what kind of negotiations can there be with them at all?
  10. Skipper
    Skipper 3 March 2022 07: 33
    +3
    You see, this forest frightens them ... but this rabble was not frightened by the 8-year bombing of Donbass and sooner or later the consequences of these crimes and that you still have to answer for what you have done?
  11. Vasily Onischuk
    Vasily Onischuk 3 March 2022 07: 34
    +3
    You can suggest the villages of Kharp, Lozvinsky and the cities of Sol-Iletsk, Solikamsk. So that the Ukrainian delegation would not have to go twice afterwards. There are just special regime colonies located. And there no one will interfere and distract, and the level of security is the highest, so far no one has been able to escape, and the guards are well trained, though very strict.
    1. your vsr 66-67
      your vsr 66-67 3 March 2022 08: 14
      -1
      Been there?... laughing
    2. Revolver
      Revolver 3 March 2022 18: 38
      0
      But Belovezhskaya Pushcha is full of strong tall trees. And somehow there will be a rope.
  12. Viktor Sergeev
    Viktor Sergeev 3 March 2022 07: 37
    +1
    I suggest Nuremberg, they will like it.
  13. Ross xnumx
    Ross xnumx 3 March 2022 07: 49
    +3
    The Ukrainian delegation is frightened by the historical context of possible negotiations in Belovezhskaya Pushcha

    And the Russian army and units of the people's militia of the LDNR should not be restrained either by the place of choice of negotiations, or by Ukrainian thoughts about the main thing, or by the waiting period. No respite ... I hope the Aerospace Forces and Russian attack UAVs continue to work despite ...
  14. usr01
    usr01 3 March 2022 08: 23
    +1
    "historical" ????????
    Name it, please Slavic a country that does not have a flag red colors??? BUT?
    What's wrong with the flag? or with the country??? invented by Potocki??
    1. Revolver
      Revolver 3 March 2022 16: 46
      +1
      Quote: usr01
      "historical" ????????
      Name it, please Slavic a country that does not have a flag red colors??? BUT?
      What's wrong with the flag? or with the country??? invented by Potocki??

      Do you recognize the flag? And some still believe that it fits better than the tricolor.


      Let's go Brandon!
      #FJB
      1. Repellent
        Repellent 3 March 2022 17: 21
        0
        Quote: Nagan
        Do you recognize the flag?

        The coat of arms is very reminiscent of a Christmas tree.
  15. APASUS
    APASUS 3 March 2022 08: 35
    +2
    Does the historical context scare the Ukrainian delegation more than the fate of the country? It seems they are not going to agree at all, since they pay attention to such subtleties
  16. usr01
    usr01 3 March 2022 08: 36
    +2
    Quote: Thrifty
    and uk'-roina is not a country at all, but a territory of residence of cheated millions of people

    one hundred% !!! And for 100 years I’ve been watching with oh ... what surprise how out of our children, grandchildren they make jumping downs in embroidered shirts ... And I am silent ...
    1. Egoza
      Egoza 3 March 2022 09: 14
      +2
      Quote: usr01
      how they make jumping downs in embroidered shirts out of our children, grandchildren ... And I am silent ...

      So the current flag of Ukraine is the sign of downs in America. There, downs wear such a badge or patch, so that others know that this is a down, if necessary, they helped him and were not offended by inadequate antics. And then the whole country was covered with the DOWN FLAG! That's how you want, but there is a hidden meaning in this.
      1. Revolver
        Revolver 3 March 2022 10: 09
        +1
        Exactly! This is the Down Ribbon.


        Let's go Brandon!
        #FJB
        1. usr01
          usr01 3 March 2022 17: 04
          0
          @[email protected] Can you make an icon like this... recourse
          I'll go for mine..... winked
  17. Egoza
    Egoza 3 March 2022 08: 44
    0
    Apparently, the Maidan authorities are afraid that the symbolic place may somehow affect not only the very course of the negotiations, but also, as they say, their aura and the final result.

    There is nowhere to put a white spot on their aura! All blackness! And Belovezhskaya Pushcha is big! EVERYWHERE GET IT!
  18. Krasnoyarsk
    Krasnoyarsk 3 March 2022 08: 57
    +2
    = Apparently, the Maidan authorities are afraid that the symbolic place may somehow affect not only the very course of the negotiations, but also, as they say, their aura and the final result. =
    Like little kids...
  19. military pensioner
    military pensioner 3 March 2022 09: 00
    +1
    What to talk about with clowns? They came to the talks like urks to the “shooter”: in sweaters and T-shirts, and one scarecrow entered the room in a baseball cap and even flopped down at the table without taking it off, and heaped his elbows on the table! They have no idea about etiquette in their pigsty.
  20. tihonmarine
    tihonmarine 3 March 2022 09: 27
    +1
    The Belarusian Foreign Ministry subsequently reported that the second round of Russian-Belarusian negotiations would be hosted by the Bialowieza "Hunter's House".

    Now the Ukrainian delegation, apparently understanding the very significance of the possible negotiations in Belovezhskaya Pushcha, began to say that negotiations would take place, "but not in Belovezhskaya Pushcha."
    In the "Hunter's House" the iconic Belovezhsky Tribunal, over war criminals, should take place.
    1. Egoza
      Egoza 3 March 2022 09: 51
      +1
      Quote: tihonmarine
      In the "Hunter's House" the iconic Belovezhsky Tribunal, over war criminals, should take place.

      Including Kravchuk, who is still alive and is going to shoot Russians
    2. Revolver
      Revolver 3 March 2022 16: 40
      0
      Quote: tihonmarine
      In the "Hunter's House" the iconic Belovezhsky Tribunal, over war criminals, should take place.

      Unfortunately, only over one participant in the shameful Belovezhskaya conspiracy, Kravchuk. Yeltsin and Shushkevich are in a place where there is no way to extract them. Do not judge rotten corpses.
  21. Million
    Million 3 March 2022 09: 43
    +1
    Again, I suppose, they will not come, clowns.
  22. rusich
    rusich 3 March 2022 10: 02
    +2
    What to negotiate. Shevchenko has already said
  23. Revolver
    Revolver 3 March 2022 10: 03
    +1
    And it would be symbolic.
    Following the results of the First World War, a peace treaty was dictated to Germany in 1919 in Versailles, in the same hall where, after the victory of the German coalition led by Prussia over France, the German Empire was solemnly proclaimed in 1871.
    Hitler then fought back by accepting the surrender of France in 1940 in the saloon car of Marshal Foch, in which in 1918 an armistice was formally signed, but in fact the surrender of Germany. Especially for this event, the car was rolled out of the museum.
    Although even more symbolic would be the trial of Kravchuk under the laws of the USSR for treason, expressed in the overthrow of the legitimate government and the dismemberment of the country.

    Let's go Brandon!
    #FJB
    1. Egoza
      Egoza 3 March 2022 10: 22
      0
      Quote: Nagan
      Hitler then fought back by accepting the surrender of France in 1940 in the saloon car of Marshal Foch, in which in 1918 an armistice was formally signed, but in fact the surrender of Germany. Especially for this event, the car was rolled out of the museum.

      It is necessary to look in the museum for the car of the Central Rada, in which they draped, proclaiming "square"
      The text of the IV Universal is dated January 22, 1918. It was accepted on the night of January 24, 1918 at a meeting of the Malaya Rada of the Ukrainian Central Rada. The document contained four main directions: the declaration of independence of the Ukrainian People's Republic; an instruction to the Council of People's Ministers to make peace with the Central States; warning of a defensive war with Bolshevik Russia; declaring the foundations of internal socio-economic construction and outlining the necessary measures to end the war with the Central States.

      Before the proclamation of the IV Universal, Chairman of the Ukrainian Central Rada Mikhail Grushevsky spoke. They voted for the document by name: 39 votes were “for”, “against” - four, “abstained” - six people.
      [Quote] [/ quote]
      And here Britain is in the forefront!

      On January 22, the newspaper “Nova Rada” published a short note: “England recognizes the Ukrainian Republic. British Chargé d'Affaires G. Picton Baghe arrived in Kyiv. He was received by the Secretary General for International Affairs A. Shulgin.”
  24. iouris
    iouris 3 March 2022 10: 39
    0
    Is this Medinsky historian?
  25. Yuri Siritsky_2
    Yuri Siritsky_2 3 March 2022 14: 08
    0
    And not to send them away, but the thought arises that negotiations are more necessary for Russia and not for Ukraine.
  26. Kamos8
    Kamos8 3 March 2022 15: 24
    0
    Like, don't like
    Be patient my beauty
  27. usr01
    usr01 3 March 2022 16: 59
    0
    Quote: Nagan
    Do you recognize the flag?

    I know of course. The Imperial Flag or the Flag of the Royal Family (well, there are other names) is sometimes, abbreviated, but not quite right, called the flag of the empire ... (well, let historians argue ...)
    naturally, according to the laws of heraldry, the colors of the ancestors are present on it.
    But! this is not the flag of a state, country, nation...
    IMHO.
  28. katarsafebox.com
    katarsafebox.com 3 March 2022 17: 21
    0
    Let them be afraid.... Fear is a weakness, and therefore Whoever is afraid is already defeated.
  29. Commodore Arctic
    Commodore Arctic 3 March 2022 19: 37
    +1
    Ukrainians are interested in one thing - to delay negotiations and refuse the Russian Federation its claims!
    1. bk316
      bk316 3 March 2022 19: 54
      0
      Who cares what interests them anyway.
      Open the corridors - for God's sake, but no one is going to stop the advance of the troops.
      In general, I would strongly welcome the withdrawal of the Armed Forces of Ukraine to Western Ukraine.
      Even with technology. Let them bring more javerins and stingers there.
      And then roll everyone like the Americans of Baghdad, there will certainly not be a "fraternal people" there.
      1. Commodore Arctic
        Commodore Arctic 3 March 2022 20: 26
        0
        through the corridors - will leave from retribution - nationalists - war criminals! this is the danger of "corridors"
  30. Dkuznecov
    Dkuznecov 4 March 2022 23: 56
    0
    Even at the first meeting
    Misha was calm as a boa constrictor.
    Oh, it's all for nothing.
    Soon the winter crops will sprout, and the hungry
    farmers will take out tanks with pitchforks
    and cannons from the fields.
    And if without laughter,
    time always works for the defenders.