Weapons of the Afghan dushmans. Revolvers, pistols and submachine guns

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Weapons of the Afghan dushmans. Revolvers, pistols and submachine guns

For a long period of time, Afghanistan and the countries bordering on it were in the zone of influence of Great Britain. For this reason, there were many small arms in the region weapons English production. Including frankly rare samples.

Soon after the strengthening of Soviet power in Central Asia, military-technical cooperation with the USSR began. In the second half of the 1920s, after the conclusion of a number of agreements between the countries, the Soviet Union provided Afghanistan with free and duty-free transit of Afghan cargo through its territory, provided gratuitous financial assistance in the amount of 1 million rubles in gold, transferred 12 aircraft and 5 rifles with the necessary ammunition. In Kabul, with Soviet support, a aviation school, a factory for the manufacture of smokeless powder was built and the communication system was improved.



However, in 1928, Great Britain organized a coup in Kabul, and cooperation with Moscow was curtailed.

In the late 1930s, the then Afghan leadership established close ties with Berlin. In 1938, Germany provided the Afghan government with an interest-free loan for the purchase of a large batch of weapons and ammunition by Afghan standards.

After the end of the Second World War, a large number of used inexpensive small arms appeared on the international market, and some of them ended up in Afghanistan through official and illegal channels. First of all, this concerned samples produced in Germany and England.

In 1956, military-technical cooperation with the USSR resumed. In addition to combat aircraft, armored vehicles and artillery, the Afghan army received very significant volumes of Soviet small arms: pistols, submachine guns, repeating rifles and carbines, light, heavy and heavy machine guns. For the most part, these were weapons adopted by the Red Army before or during World War II. The exception was the "single" 7,62 mm RP-46 machine guns and 12,7 mm DShKM machine guns.

In the 1970s, Afghanistan was supplied with modern light small arms at that time: SKS carbines, AKM assault rifles, RPD, RPK and PK machine guns.

The entry of the Soviet military contingent into Afghanistan in December 1979 did not meet with much resistance from the local population. However, soon a large-scale campaign was organized in the West to destabilize the situation in the country, and in fact, a real war began against the Soviet troops with the help of Afghan rebels.

Sponsors for the purchase of equipment and weapons intended for transfer to armed opposition groups were economically developed Western countries, as well as Middle Eastern states. The suppliers of weapons and ammunition were: USA, Great Britain, Switzerland, Italy, Israel, Pakistan.

However, not all samples of Western production in the extreme conditions of Afghanistan have proven themselves positively. In addition, the disparity of small arms created significant difficulties in training fighters, supplying ammunition, maintaining and repairing.

In the early 1980s, the curators of the Western intelligence services, who were involved in organizing the supply of weapons to the Mujahideen, and the leaders of the rebels came to the conclusion that at least partial unification was necessary in terms of small arms. Just at that time, on the basis of anti-Sovietism, a rapprochement between the United States and China took place, and since 1984, China has become the largest supplier of weapons for Afghan spooks.

Weapons made at Chinese enterprises and taken from the warehouses of the PLA, in terms of performance and technical novelty, were often inferior to Western models. But despite its faulty reliability, it was simple, easy to learn, cheap and relatively maintainable.

Saudi Arabia annually allocated $200-300 million for the armed struggle against the “infidels” in Afghanistan. This huge money, by the standards of the mid-1980s, went exclusively to pay for weapons that were purchased in China. In 1983 alone, China sent 40 tons of weapons and ammunition to the Mujahideen.

Another notable source of supply for the rebels with weapons and ammunition was the Afghan army. Desertion in the armed forces of the DRA was massive. Often, entire units with standard equipment and heavy weapons went over to the side of the enemy.

Sometimes Afghan armed formations managed to seize weapons and ammunition from the Soviet army. But this did not happen regularly, and the volume of trophies was relatively small.

Revolvers and pistols


Short-barreled small arms do not play a significant role in full-scale hostilities and, in fact, they are status, emphasizing the special position of the owner. Sometimes anti-tank and anti-aircraft weapons were additionally armed with pistols.

At an early stage of the Afghan epic, our troops captured the most diverse short-barreled. Among the revolvers, the most common were the British Webley caliber 11,5 and 9 mm.


Webley Mk VI revolver

Although the six-shot Webley Mk VI revolver, which used the powerful .455 Webley cartridge, weighed about 1 g, it was believed that the high weight was offset by high stopping and lethal action.


Replica 9mm Webley revolver made in Afghanistan

Relatively compact 9,6 mm British-style revolvers, made in the weapons workshops in the Khyber Pass, enjoyed a certain popularity among the commanders of the armed opposition, and weapons produced in British factories were considered standard in the Afghan police.


Enfield Mk II revolver

There were also 11,6 mm Enfield Mk II revolvers firing cartridges filled with black powder, and 7,62 mm Nagant revolvers mod. 1895.


Sometimes British-made revolvers can be seen in films shot in the West dedicated to the events of the Afghan war.

In the 1930s-1950s, the officer corps of the Afghan army received 9mm German Luger P08 and Walther P38 pistols, as well as 7,65mm Walther PP.


Pistol Walther PR

This weapon was valued for reliability, accuracy and convenience. Although the Afghan army received Soviet-made weapons from the second half of the 1950s, German pistols remained in the army even after the Soviet troops entered Afghanistan.

Between 1956 and 1968, Afghanistan received several thousand Soviet 7,62 mm TT pistols mod. 1933.


Although the TT was inferior to the German Walthers in terms of convenience and safety of handling, this semi-automatic pistol became truly massive in the Afghan army and police.


This silenced pistol, which two simple Afghan guys are so happy about, is very much like a TT

The rebels managed to capture a number of Soviet-made TT pistols, but mostly they had Chinese and Pakistani clones in their hands.


Chinese 7,62 mm pistol Type 54

Until now, copies of the TT pistol are produced handicraft in workshops in the northern provinces of Pakistan, bordering Afghanistan.


But these guns with rich exterior finishes often have very low reliability.

Some combatants in the DRA claim that Mauser C96 automatic pistols were also removed from the dead spooks. This is not surprising, given that such pistols were popular with the Basmachi in the 1920s.


Pistols and revolvers seized from dushmans in December 1983

In addition to the Mauser C96, among the trophies our special forces came across Chinese-made Type 80 pistols. This pistol was created by Norinco designers based on the Mauser pistol, which was produced in China in the first half of the XNUMXth century.


Chinese Type 7,62 80mm automatic pistol

The Type 80 pistol, adopted by the PLA in 1980, differed from the Mauser C96 in better ergonomics and had a non-adjustable 50 m sight. Ammunition was supplied from a detachable box magazine for 10 or 20 rounds, which was attached to the pistol body at an angle. For firing in bursts, the Chinese automatic pistol is equipped with a detachable butt holster or a detachable metal shoulder rest.

After the entry of Soviet troops, the Afghan army began to arm the 9-mm Makarov pistol and the Stechkin automatic pistol. The security forces of Afghanistan have received access to their silent modifications: PB and APB.


There are a lot of photos on the network in which Soviet soldiers pose with silent pistols, but we could not find similar photos with Afghans. But there is no doubt that such weapons repeatedly fell into the hands of dushmans and were used in hostilities.

In the mid-1980s, Chinese silent Type 67 pistols were used to a limited extent by militants for special tasks. These weapons, developed by Norinco in the late 1960s, used special 7,65 × 17 mm cartridges. With a very weak ammunition, the weight of a pistol with a 9-round magazine was more than 1 kg.


Pistol Type 67

Automation pistol Type 67 was built on a blowback scheme. To eliminate a loud clang when ejecting a spent cartridge case and sending a cartridge, a special button is provided in the design of the weapon, pressing which blocks the automation and turns the semi-automatic pistol into a weapon with manual reloading.

In general, the Afghan Mujahideen had a wide variety of pistols. Soviet spetsnaz veterans who participated in the interception of caravans carrying weapons among the trophies also mention 9mm Browning Hi-Power and 11,43mm Colt M1911 pistols, as well as various revolvers chambered in .38 Special and .357 Magnum.

Submachine guns


At the disposal of the Afghan Mujahideen, fighting with government forces and units of the Soviet army, there were a variety of submachine guns. But the most numerous was the PPSh-41. The Soviet Union supplied submachine guns of this type to Afghanistan in the 1950s and 1960s.


By the time the Soviet troops entered the country, most of the regular Afghan infantry was armed with modern individual small arms: AKM / AKMS assault rifles and SKS carbines. PPSh-41 submachine guns and carbines arr. 1944 remained in auxiliary units and were in warehouses.

Subsequently, most of the PPSh-41 was transferred to the paramilitary units of the Ministry of Internal Affairs of the DRA (Tsaranda) and units of the territorial militia. A significant number of Soviet-made submachine guns fell into the hands of the rebels, as evidenced by numerous photographs taken in the 1980s.


It is possible that some of the PPSh-41s that the Afghans had were of Chinese or Iranian origin. In China and Iran, licensed production of these submachine guns was carried out.

A certain popularity of the PPSh-41 among the Mujahideen is explained by the widespread use of 7,62 × 25 mm pistol cartridges in Afghanistan, which are also used for firing from the TT pistol and its clones made in China and Pakistan. Compared to submachine guns firing 9mm Parabellum cartridges, the PPSh-41 had about 1,5 times the effective range.


Small arms captured from rebels

In addition to the PPSh-41, the spooks used other 9 and 11,43 mm submachine guns: the American M3A1 Grease Gun and M1A1 Thompson, the British STEN and Sterling, and the Swiss Carl Gustaf M/45.


Submachine guns captured from the rebels

The CIA arranged for the delivery of Smith & Wesson Model 76 submachine guns to Afghanistan with a silent and flameless firing device.


This weapon with a 24 or 36-round magazine, firing a subsonic 9mm parabellum cartridge, was based on the Swedish Carl Gustaf M / 45. Due to the clang of the shutter, the submachine gun was not silent, however, the flash of the shot was completely suppressed, which gave certain advantages at night.

All the samples mentioned above were used or created during the Second World War. However, the rebels also received submachine guns designed in the 1960s and 1970s. So, Soviet soldiers repeatedly captured the then-new West German Heckler & Koch MP5 submachine guns.


MP5 with folding butt, captured by Soviet troops

Submachine guns of the MP5 family, due to their good reliability, high margin of safety and accuracy, are widely used in the world.


Judging by the available photographs, Soviet soldiers in the course of hostilities in Afghanistan, starting in 1983, captured 9-mm MP5 submachine guns quite often.

Another modern software that the dushmans had was the Israeli Mini UZI. This 9mm SMG did not have the accuracy of the German MP5, but was much more compact.


Soviet soldier with a captured Mini UZI submachine gun

With the butt folded, the Mini UZI was only 360 mm long, which made it possible to hide it under clothing. The folded stock can be used as a front holding handle. At the end of the barrel there is a thread that allows you to wind a removable silencer.

In the conditions of Afghanistan, where the fighting was carried out for the most part in the mountains or in the green, individual small arms with good ballistic characteristics were required. First of all, a large firing range and a high penetrating effect of a bullet were important, which limited the scope of automatic weapons chambered for a pistol cartridge.

Submachine guns, with their high firepower and relatively small size, showed their best qualities during clashes in settlements. They were usually armed with members of sabotage groups, commanders, drivers of vehicles, carriers of ammunition, calculations of mortars, rocket launchers, anti-aircraft and anti-tank weapons.

To be continued ...
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  1. +5
    6 March 2022 04: 46

    This silenced pistol, which two simple Afghan guys are so happy about, is very much like a TT
    into Chinese "tt" type54.
    1. +5
      6 March 2022 07: 03
      Quote: Aerodrome
      into Chinese "tt" type54.

      It's possible, but I wouldn't say that with 100% certainty. By what signs did you determine that this was the Chinese Type 54?
      1. +5
        6 March 2022 11: 44
        Quote: Bongo
        what exactly is the Chinese Type 54?

        There is such an opinion
      2. 0
        24 March 2022 21: 52
        The notches on the casing-bolt of type 54 are different, on the other hand, if you google "TT pistol", then different options will appear both with "special" tsh notches and with those like type 54, and the latter of Soviet production also come across in the form chilled version. Bad story, in general. We have to dig deeper, but is it worth it?
  2. +3
    6 March 2022 06: 51
    In addition to the PPSh-41, the dushmans used other 9 and 11,43 mm submachine guns: the American M3A1 Grease Gun and M1A1 Thompson...

    .45 caliber cartridges were rare in Afghanistan. I wonder where the spooks got ammunition for American submachine guns?
    1. 0
      6 March 2022 17: 13
      In the same place as the weapon itself)
  3. +8
    6 March 2022 06: 57
    The same "hodgepodge team". And, by the way, given that the owner of this "variety" often lived less than the weapon in his hands, the problem of cartridges did not stand ...
    Thanks, Sergey. As always accurate and understandable.
    1. +7
      6 March 2022 07: 13
      Quote: Leader of the Redskins
      Thanks, Sergey. As always accurate and understandable.

      drinks
      Quote: Leader of the Redskins
      The same "hodgepodge team". And, by the way, given that the owner of this "variety" often lived less than the weapon in his hands, the problem of cartridges did not stand ...

      Considering the rate of fire of submachine guns, there was probably such a problem. Apparently, American 11,43-mm PPs were used mainly in the initial period of the Afghan epic. Later, they mainly switched to weapons under the 9-mm Parabellum and Makarov cartridges.
      Pay attention to how the PP shakes the seated militant in the front row.

      There is also information that the Afghan security forces used the Polish PP PM-63 RAK.

      But I could not establish whether the Mujahideen had them. request
      1. +5
        6 March 2022 14: 09
        Good day, Sergey! smile
        Thanks again for a great article! good And then here on a continuous policy, you can completely wither away. request
        I managed to dig up such a photo with a real rarity - MP-38, and how did it just get into Afghanistan?

        Well, with two Walls of different models and with FN FAL, everything is clear, but the extreme right and left, what kind of cars, I still don’t understand.

        PS If I'm not mistaken, Farid Seiful-Mulyukov, our correspondent, is on the far right.
  4. +1
    6 March 2022 09: 09
    PB and APB pistols were in service with relatively few (compared to infantry), but very effective units of the Special Forces of the GRU of the General Staff of the USSR and army intelligence and were used rather limitedly (usually by officers). Therefore, the probability of their capture was quite small.
    1. +4
      6 March 2022 10: 17
      Quote: V.A. Sh.
      PB and APB pistols were in service with relatively few (compared to infantry), but very effective units of the Special Forces of the GRU of the General Staff of the USSR and army intelligence and were used rather limitedly

      The PB and APB pistols were also used by the DRA security forces and were captured by the rebels.
  5. +4
    6 March 2022 09: 11
    Many of you must have seen this photo in Bishop's book.

    A child from an Afghan refugee camp fires a TT
    1. +4
      6 March 2022 10: 19
      Quote: Mister X
      Many of you must have seen this photo in Bishop's book.

      A child from an Afghan refugee camp fires a TT

      Michael, hello! Glad you're back on Military Review!
      I have not seen this photo. Thanks!
      1. +5
        6 March 2022 10: 24
        Quote: Bongo
        Michael, hello!

        hi

        Quote: Bongo
        Glad you're back on Military Review!

        I've been inserting my 3 kopecks for several days now wink

        Quote: Bongo
        I have not seen this photo. Thanks!

        You are welcome!
        I'll drop this book
        1. +4
          6 March 2022 10: 26
          Quote: Mister X
          I'll drop this book

          I would be very grateful! But email is better.
          1. +4
            6 March 2022 10: 32
            Quote: Bongo
            But email is better.

            Sent, accept)
            1. +4
              6 March 2022 10: 34
              Quote: Mister X
              Quote: Bongo
              But email is better.

              Sent, accept)

              Thanks, received! I read on duty.
  6. +4
    6 March 2022 09: 15
    Photo also from Bishop's book

    Two shooters with an AK-47, between them an Afghan with an old British Lee Enfield rifle
    1. +6
      6 March 2022 10: 21
      Quote: Mister X
      Photo also from Bishop's book

      Two shooters with an AK-47, between them an Afghan with an old British Lee Enfield rifle

      And here, my friend, you are "running ahead of the locomotive" ...
      1. +4
        6 March 2022 10: 27
        Quote: Bongo
        And here, my friend, you are "running ahead of the locomotive" ...

        Our engine, go ahead! wink
        1. +6
          6 March 2022 10: 30
          Quote: Mister X
          Our engine, go ahead!

          lol
          By the way, the photo is staged.

          Automatic fuse.
          1. +6
            6 March 2022 10: 37
            Quote: Bongo
            By the way, the photo is staged.

            Have we seen a few staged photos?
            It's for the safety of the crew.

            Yes, all advertising is staged.
            We have never harvested crops in national clothes.
            Do not act in filthy clothes for a magazine.
            Right?

            Photo from the prospectus "Moldplodoovoshchprom", 1976.
            1. +7
              6 March 2022 11: 00
              Hello hello
              Quote: Mister X
              Have we seen a few staged photos?
              It's for the safety of the crew.

              But this still reduces the credibility of the journalist.
              Quote: Mister X
              Photo from the prospectus "Moldplodoovoshchprom", 1976.

              Michael, where did you find such beauty?
              1. +7
                6 March 2022 11: 08
                Quote: zyablik.olga
                Hello hello

                hi hello Olenka!
                Quote: zyablik.olga
                where did you find such beauty?

                I'm Moldovan
                My ancestors lived on the banks of a small river in Chisinau for several hundred years.
                Pushkin mentioned her during his exile in Bessarabia.

                In our family, photos and magazines of bygone times have been preserved, as well as in other Chisinau residents.
                We share them in thematic groups.
              2. +7
                6 March 2022 11: 11
                Quote: zyablik.olga
                But this still reduces the credibility of the journalist.

                Not always realistic photos to a place like this)
          2. +1
            6 March 2022 16: 14
            Remove not long request. Although I'm not saying anything hi
  7. +4
    6 March 2022 11: 24
    The article is good. I look forward to continuing. Only with dates you need to be more careful, otherwise you get a contradiction:
    и since 1984 year China has become the largest supplier of weapons for Afghan spooks.

    Only in 1983 year China sent 40 tons of weapons and ammunition to the Mujahideen.
    1. +4
      6 March 2022 12: 20
      Quote: Aviator_
      and this results in a contradiction:

      hi
      China could start deliveries earlier, but in small batches.
      Then he began to increase them.
      So, in 1983 he delivered 40 thousand tons
      And 1984 - even more.
      Thus, he became the largest supplier of weapons for Afghan spooks.
      Could it be?
      1. +4
        6 March 2022 12: 21
        Is that so. By the way, since 1985, China stopped supporting spirits and withdrew its instructors.
        1. +4
          6 March 2022 12: 36
          Quote: Aviator_
          Is that so.

          Here is the consensus drinks
          1. +4
            6 March 2022 14: 14
            Misha, hello! smile
            I am glad to meet you on really interesting and high-quality material. drinks
            1. +3
              6 March 2022 17: 03
              Quote: Sea Cat
              Misha, hello!

              hi Hi!

              Quote: Sea Cat
              Glad to meet you

              Mutually!

              Quote: Sea Cat
              on really interesting and high-quality material

              I agree! drinks
              1. +1
                6 March 2022 18: 04
                And when can we expect something really interesting and, as always, professionally verified from you? Hopefully not for long? smile
                1. +3
                  6 March 2022 18: 06
                  Quote: Sea Cat
                  when you can expect something really interesting

                  Unfortunately not soon
                  I've been in treatment since 2019, it's getting worse
                  Work is already suffering, there is not enough strength for a hobby
                  1. +2
                    6 March 2022 18: 30
                    Misha, I'm sorry. Sincerely. Himself is laid in a week with a heart, so far only for examination. But even without that, there is enough bullshit. request
                    With all my heart I wish you well-being and good spirits. smile drinks
                    1. +3
                      6 March 2022 18: 33
                      Quote: Sea Cat
                      Misha, I'm sorry.

                      Thank you friend!
                      Quote: Sea Cat
                      Himself is laid in a week with a heart, so far only for examination.

                      Is there even a place?
                      And then they turned me around.
                      There was an agreement with the head physician, I called on the appointed day - there are no places.
                      I suspect refugees from Ukraine. They are posted everywhere.
                      March 9 will be another attempt at hospitalization
                      1. +3
                        6 March 2022 18: 38
                        It’s easier for me, I have a friend who is the head of the department of vascular surgery, and he puts me in, he pulled me out of the other world in due time, with an aneurysm of the abdominal aorta.
                        Yes, this war is a sickle in the balls, even to those whom it does not concern in any way.
                        Good luck, buddy. Let me know later how things go. smile drinks
                      2. +4
                        6 March 2022 19: 07
                        Quote: Sea Cat
                        Yes, this war

                        We sheltered 3 women from Ukraine...
                        In Moldova, how many inhabitants - so many refugees.
                        Rent prices have doubled, but housing is gone.
                        Even in the Czech Republic there is no housing left.
                        Our tenants called up fellow countrymen who had fled to Prague.
                        Their 25 people live in a 2-room apartment...

                        Quote: Sea Cat
                        Good luck, buddy. write later

                        And I'll write to you too!
                      3. +3
                        6 March 2022 19: 20
                        Thank you, Misha, but somehow this did not add joy either.
                        Health, Friends, and patience, everything, in the end, will be formed. Would live. smile
                      4. +3
                        6 March 2022 19: 44
                        Quote: Sea Cat
                        eventually formed.

                        Your words, yes to God’s ears ...
                      5. +3
                        6 March 2022 19: 46
                        I really hope, if it is, of course. But the more I live, the less I believe. And yet... smile
                      6. +3
                        6 March 2022 19: 49
                        Quote: Sea Cat
                        how much I live, the less I believe

                        In 20 years, one of us will surely die: either me, or the emir, or this donkey;)
                      7. +3
                        6 March 2022 19: 53
                        Yes, it’s better to have a donkey with the emir, and we’ll somehow ... smile
                      8. +4
                        6 March 2022 20: 01
                        Quote: Sea Cat
                        Yes, a donkey with an emir is better

                        laughing
                        Depending on who is older or less healthy wink
                        Therefore - I wish you hello!
                      9. +4
                        6 March 2022 20: 14
                        In any case, God bless us both and our friends good health and good luck. smile drinks .
  8. +3
    6 March 2022 12: 50
    In addition to the PPSh-41, the spooks used other 9 and 11,43 mm submachine guns: the American M3A1 Grease Gun and M1A1 Thompson, the British STEN and Sterling, and the Swiss Carl Gustaf M/45.


    As I understand it, a typo - Carl Gustaf M / 45 is still a Swedish submachine gun.

    Best regards,
    1. +2
      6 March 2022 15: 36
      Quote: Gunfighter95
      As I understand it, a typo - Carl Gustaf M / 45 is still a Swedish submachine gun.

      Certainly a typo lol
      Seryozha writes further;
      This weapon with a 24 or 36-round magazine, firing a subsonic 9mm parabellum cartridge, was created on the basis of Swedish Carl Gustaf M/45.
  9. +5
    6 March 2022 12: 52
    And the Islamic Republic of Iran did not participate in the supply of weapons to the Afghan "fighters for democracy"?
    Indeed, during the Great Patriotic War, Soviet specialists established the production of PPSh-41 and Soviet cartridges 7,62x25 on the territory of Shah Iran.
    The Egyptians also provided support with various types of weapons.
    1. +5
      6 March 2022 14: 27
      And the Islamic Republic of Iran did not participate in the supply of weapons to the Afghan "fighters for democracy"?

      The Egyptians also provided support with various types of weapons.

      Of course they did, but the scale is not comparable. Main suppliers - Americans, Chinese, Europe
    2. +3
      6 March 2022 15: 49
      Quote: hohol95
      And the Islamic Republic of Iran did not participate in the supply of weapons to the Afghan "fighters for democracy"?

      The author will mention this in the next article on rifles. I did not edit it (stupidly there is no time), but I read it briefly.
    3. 0
      6 March 2022 17: 23
      Iran had its own war in those years, and besides Afghanistan, the Iranians had more than enough questions.
      1. +1
        6 March 2022 17: 57
        However, they supported Soyuz 8.
        Until 1978, up to 600 Afghans worked in Iran.
        Then there were streams of refugees.
        And the replenishment of human resources was no worse than from Pakistan.
  10. +5
    6 March 2022 12: 59
    With the butt folded, the Mini UZI was only 360 mm long, which made it possible to hide it under clothing. The folded stock can be used as a front holding handle. At the end of the barrel there is a thread that allows you to wind a removable silencer.


    The silencer for all ultrasounds is screwed on instead of the locking nut of the barrel. At the end of the barrel, the mini-Uzi has two oblique grooves that play the role of a compensator. And when shooting, it is recommended to hold the weapon by the forearm. The shoulder rest is not firmly held.

    Best regards,
    1. +5
      6 March 2022 14: 45
      Good afternoon, Yura! smile
      I had a funny case with "Uzi". One of my acquaintances served as an ensign in our RVC and they sent him on a business trip to Afghanistan, to Feldsvyaz. He returned from there with mail and an Uzi as an escort weapon. Of course, he handed over the mail, but the Uzik at his house lay on the closet for about a month. Then I passed my first technical minimum for the assembly and disassembly of this machine. Under "Agdam" and "Iveria". laughing
      1. +4
        6 March 2022 15: 45
        Quote: Sea Cat
        Good afternoon, Yura! smile
        I had a funny case with "Uzi". One of my acquaintances served as an ensign in our RVC and they sent him on a business trip to Afghanistan, to Feldsvyaz. He returned from there with mail and an Uzi as an escort weapon. Of course, he handed over the mail, but the Uzik at his house lay on the closet for about a month. Then I passed my first technical minimum for the assembly and disassembly of this machine. Under "Agdam" and "Iveria". laughing

        Konstantin, hello!
        It's a pleasure to talk to you again.
        We have a small arsenal kept in safes at home, and once for my birthday Seryozha gave me an air rifle with optics. We sometimes go for shooting, including with a firearm. So, I have little experience with weapons.
        But you always know how to please the members of the forum with interesting facts, including from your personal biography.
        Unfortunately, more and more rarely adequate readers communicate in comments on technical topics. And I try not to read politicized and sometimes frankly false articles.
        1. +4
          6 March 2022 16: 52
          Good afternoon, Olya. smile love
          Thank you for the flattering feedback regarding my comments, I try my best. smile
          My wife and I also have a small arsenal, incl. and pneumatics with optics, but we haven’t “played around” with firearms for a long time, rangers divorced along with the police, and cartridges are now a little expensive. request
          But I haven’t gotten along with “politics” for a long time, there is no one to talk to and nothing to talk about, there are only a few adequate people. Come visit us on "History". smile drinks
      2. +3
        6 March 2022 18: 36
        Under "Agdam" and "Iveria".

        Under Agdam and Iberia, I believe, it turned out, at least, sincerely ... drinks
        But somehow dumb, "three geese" could "fly in"
        And I studied everything imported on mass-dimensional models.

        Best regards,
        1. +3
          6 March 2022 18: 40
          And such luxurious photos from where, if not a secret, of course. smile
          1. +4
            6 March 2022 18: 51
            That's how I filmed it. laughing
            I have a large archive.
            Once upon a time, the MMG collection was impressive ...

            Best regards,
            1. +3
              6 March 2022 19: 22
              MMG collection was impressive...

              Yes, I also have something, but mostly pneumatics. Although I can’t imagine life without a firearm. smile
  11. +3
    6 March 2022 17: 25
    Very interesting article.
  12. 0
    6 March 2022 19: 40
    Many of the weapons that you saw could be made in the arms capital of fakes in Pakistan, the city of Peshawar, they make any model of weapons there and throughout the war in Afghanistan they supplied weapons to the Mujahideen and still supply and sell around the world and put the stigma made in China. And Chinese weapons are quite high quality because the USSR built factories and gave technology to China.
    1. +2
      6 March 2022 23: 45
      Quote: Yellow bubble
      Many weapons that you have seen could be made in the weapons capital of forgery in Pakistan, the city of Peshawar.


      I would like to see how they cast MP-5 plastic "in the garages"! Joking aside, for the most part, the "capital of fakes" causes skepticism, because. the samples that are exhibited as trophies "from there" are very well tailored. It looks more like "finishing with a file" the blanks and the main parts of the rifleman obtained according to the blackest schemes. And the fact that they put Chinese stamps - maybe they don’t even put them there, but simply act as a branch of the conditional "Norinco", collecting Chinese gunbikes like Lego. And what's more, it's a great workaround for all sorts of gun companies...
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        17 May 2022 11: 59
        The Americans built a whole factory in Peshawar to produce Kalashnikovs of excellent quality, etc. You can find movies on YouTube.
  13. +4
    6 March 2022 22: 02
    hi
    Back in the 80s, I collected various "weapon stories".
    My relative, being a doctor in Afghanistan, sent a gift - a pair of Chinese fountain pens (still lie somewhere ..), conscientiously packed in a thick layer of paper, such as cigarette, barely tore. feel
    When we met, he asked - how do you like gun brands? On paper, it turns out, by the method of "multiple ironing" from the originals, I copied interesting options, into the light, he says it should have been clearly visible ... recourse
  14. +4
    6 March 2022 23: 03
    hi
    Like the article, as always!
    The rebels managed to capture a number of Soviet-made TT pistols, but mostly they had Chinese and Pakistani clones in their hands.


    Pakistanis still believe that the Chinese TT in itself (but in a nice box) is a solid gift:


    Judging by the available photographs, Soviet soldiers in the course of hostilities in Afghanistan, starting in 1983, captured 9-mm MP5 submachine guns quite often.
    -IMHO, MP5 were either from the stocks of the Shah of Iran, or from Pakistan.
    By the way, the Pakistani idea of ​​how "expensive-bohato" should look like an MP5 of a respectable person is interesting:


    IMHO, I hope the next articles will be about the "long barrel", I will post the Pakistani G3 thread there.
  15. +3
    7 March 2022 13: 42
    Here is a very interesting example:
    A pistol based on the Martini-Henry rifle.

    Creation of the gloomy genius from the Khyber Pass.
    Here is a video about him:
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    8 March 2022 23: 18
    since our unit was located near the Chinese border, the spirits, in addition to rifles, had Chinese copies of AK. Curiosities were rare.
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    17 May 2022 12: 07
    The Americans once said that while the weapons factories in Peshawar are working, the war in Afghanistan will never end.