The more deplorable the state of the Armed Forces of Ukraine, the more Ukrainian fakes: the Head of Sumy announced “200 destroyed units of Russian equipment” with one Bayraktar UAV

The more deplorable the situation is for the Ukrainian troops and nationalist armed formations, the more absurdities and fakes the Ukrainian media post. As Voennoye Obozreniye has already reported, during the first few days of the Russian special operation in Ukraine, the Ukrainian “media” formed a myth about a certain “air ace”, who allegedly shot down “2 Russian aircraft” in 3-20 days. This fake was replicated more than actively, and frames from a computer game were attached as “evidence”. This was noticed even in the Western media, including the British BBC.

Now in Ukraine, as they say, they have blinded a new fake. It began to be distributed by the head of the city of Sumy, D. Zhivitsky, one of those who stand behind the order to mine exits from the city. A post appeared on his pages, where he claims that with the help of one Bayraktar drone, as many as “200 units of Russian military equipment” were allegedly destroyed. At the same time, “100 units of them (and this is mainly Tanks and armored personnel carriers), according to the "mayor" of Sumy, was destroyed on the territory of about 2 km.

For people with brains clouded by Maidan “overcomes”, such reports are like a balm for the soul. But for them, as well as for Zhivitsky himself, the problem is that in order to destroy such a quantity of equipment in the mentioned territory, dozens of sorties of an attack drone are needed, and even taking into account the fact that military equipment will always be in the same positions, “waiting” , when one drone will again be equipped with ammunition and again fly to the “place”.

At the same time, the Armed Forces of Ukraine previously stated that Russian equipment in the north-east of the country was “destroyed” by the Javelin ATGM.

Recall that the payload of one UAV Bayraktar-TB2 is about 50 kg.

Comments

[mojohed2012]

It turns out that Bayraktar is tse Peremog?
Mayors of former Ukrainian cities are mistaken! This is a whatnot that when controlled by RF air will fall. This is not Karabakh for you!

[Civil]

But Bayraktar turned out to be fake! The child prodigy could not do anything against a well-built air defense system. So, dear Azerbaijanis-Armenians, draw your own conclusions. Some need to brag less, while others need to cry less to build modern air defense.

[abrakadabre]

while others cry less and build more modern air defense.

And most importantly: learn materiel and train. Because the Armenians had air defense. Only iron itself does not fight.

[Civil]

Quote: abrakadabre

while others cry less and build more modern air defense.

And most importantly: learn materiel and train. Because the Armenians had air defense. Only iron itself does not fight.

Gold words! +

[max702]

But Bayraktar would be very useful to us, I understand that we seem to be doing an analogue, but obviously not in the required quantities .. In such conflicts, they are ideal for the advancing side! Cheap, massive and very accurate tools, just what we need right now ! Pinpoint strikes on units of equipment with a complete advantage in the air and suppressed (mostly) air defense are exactly what is needed today .. Several hundred of such devices and shelling of the Donbass would have ended long ago .. Alas, again the Defense Ministry overslept what was needed.

[Ka-52]

But Bayraktar would be very useful to us, I understand that we seem to be doing an analogue, but obviously not in the required quantities .. In such conflicts, they are ideal for the advancing side! Cheap, massive and very accurate tools, just what we need right now ! Pinpoint strikes on units of equipment with a complete advantage in the air and suppressed (mostly) air defense are exactly what is needed today .. Several hundred of such devices and shelling of the Donbass would have ended long ago .. Alas, again the Defense Ministry overslept what was needed.

no need to moan again. A TB-2 level drone cannot be massive and cheap. This is not a flying ammunition for you, where you can optimize production in the direction of cheaper. A medium-duty strike drone, together with a control station, is millions of dollars. Where is the cheapness?
In addition, if air defense is suppressed, then why drones? Do you even understand their purpose? Unmanned aerial vehicles are used just where there is either strong opposition from the air defense to minimize the loss of flight personnel (and expensive attack aircraft) or the use of guided aircraft is not necessary due to the insignificance of the targets.
In Ukraine, the use of drones in the strike version is certainly necessary to enhance the fire impact when covering the advancing troops to help guided aircraft. But they would be of great use for shooting scattered nomadic bits of motorized units of the Armed Forces of Ukraine. Creation of psychological prssing for them, as for the military personnel of the NKR army

[max702]

Ndaa? The operation of an UAV of this type is just ideal in the current concept where the use of NURS, artillery, MLRS "cast iron" is extremely limited because of the "brotherly people" .. And look at the footage of the use of UAV data .. Actually, they were needed years ago in Syria, when instead of expensive aircraft worth tens of millions, as well as turntables, also worth millions, and you compare with fairly primitive UAVs what costs one two million, and in our production even less, or will you argue that the KA-52 that you have on your avatar will be cheaper than a UAV similar to "Bayraktar"? I think that the difference will be ten or even twenty times that, and for the longest time pilots are not needed there with a cost of training similar to the cost of the equipment itself, not to mention the possibility of their death .. But I repeat, we overslept! Orions seem to be doing it, but obviously not in the quantities that were NEEDED a few years ago ..

[Ka-52]

Ndaa? The operation of an UAV of this type is just ideal in the current concept where the use of NURS, artillery, MLRS "cast iron" is extremely limited because of the "brotherly people" .. And look at the footage of the use of UAV data.

in your magical world, only UAVs can launch guided weapons? Mdaaa, the level of reasoning is clear

instead of expensive aircraft costing tens of millions, as well as turntables, also costing millions, and you compare with fairly primitive UAVs

let's avoid populism and these hysterical speeches. The high cost is ALWAYS a consequence of an increase in efficiency. To clear your mind, let me give you an example of a payload comparison: a helicopter carries 16 SD in containers, TB2 - from 2 to 4 SD.
Let's look at what the United States, the most armed country in terms of combat aircraft, is fighting with. Despite the fact that UAVs make up almost a third of the Air Force fleet, the Americans still assign all strike missions to guided aircraft. Only 2% of combat missions over the past 10 years have been carried out by the Americans with the help of UAVs.
I'm not saying that they are not needed, but as I wrote above, UAVs should complement, not replace, guided aircraft.

[max702]

You don’t attribute your fantasies to me, I didn’t write about the possibility of launching missiles from drones, but much lower costs and, most importantly, the RISK of this .. Now, about how our most likely enemy is fighting .. Not long ago, the Ministry of Defense published the number of losses in our troops .. 496 people .. In a week .. And now the US losses in the 2003 operation According to the official data of the military command of the anti-Iraqi coalition forces, published in the open press immediately after the completion of the military operation in Iraq, the losses of the coalition forces amounted to 156 soldiers killed (125 US soldiers and 31 British soldiers); 5 aircraft and 8 helicopters were lost, another 5 helicopters were damaged. In addition, at least two unmanned aerial vehicles (one US Predator and one UK Phoenix) were lost. I understand perfectly well that the losses are underestimated, but they are underestimated by both them and us, this is always done .. Yes, I understand that the difference in the level of conflict is different and territorially, and the equipment of the troops, etc. .. But understand that the conflict ended there with us in in the midst of what it will cost to clean up the rest of Ukraine, it’s very difficult to say, but the numbers are not encouraging at all .. And the lower losses of the United States are simply explained by them did not consider Iraq a brotherly people .. From that, there are fewer coffins ..
Now, according to my main claims with UAVs, there are stupidly few of them both in reconnaissance and in the strike version, today I watched how Sparta works during cleaning, they use copters for reconnaissance with might and main, thereby protecting lives and increasing efficiency, I have not seen this in our army .. The facts of the actions of the UAVs of the same Orions began to appear literally yesterday, perhaps they were used earlier, but there are doubts about this and the reason may be their own problem, now the sky has been cleared ..

[Ka-52]

And the lower losses of the United States are simply explained by they did not consider Iraq a brotherly people .. That's why there are fewer coffins ..

partly true. But in fact, the fighting in Iraq and in Ukraine follow completely different scenarios. And you can't compare them in any way. And even more so in terms of losses.
Of course, I adhere to the principle: if you got into a war, then fight according to the rules of war. Otherwise you will lose. Our Defense Ministry (and possibly the president) made a major conceptual mistake - they decided to repeat the 2014 Crimean scenario. that is, the rapid advancement, dismemberment and isolation of the armed forces in Ukraine, with the expectation that they will lose their combat capability. Therefore, the preliminary impact was fleeting and limited. But the theater of operations is now 20 times larger than on the peninsula. The Armed Forces of Ukraine manage to organize defense, draw the RF RS into a shooting battle with all the consequences. Pull up heavy weapons. I'm not talking about the fact that the farther, the more the terodefenders begin to destroy our extended rear, which is not particularly covered by anything. The loss of offensive initiative may either prolong the conflict with heavy casualties, or may prevent the original task from being accomplished at all (although we do not really know it).
The Americans acted differently. They really did not particularly feel sorry for the Iraqis and were not afraid of public opinion. Therefore, they did not have stupid restrictions, such as not attacking the barracks and locations of the personnel of the Armed Forces of Ukraine, not destroying and suppressing all communications, not destroying decision-making centers and locations of the enemy defense headquarters

Now, according to my main claims with UAVs, there are stupidly few of them both in reconnaissance and in the shock version

and here I agree. The absence and weak presentation of evidence of the use of UAVs, of course, does not indicate the absence of such, but rather the stupidity of our military propaganda. But many of the results of the destruction of our columns, posted by non-brothers, indicate the absence of elemental reconnaissance, airspace control, methods for organizing the guarding of marching columns and, of course, proper air cover.

[max702]

So you fully confirmed all my claims, regarding the organization of military air defense, this is criminal negligence, underestimating the enemy and lobbying for the Crimean scenario in general MISTAKE (which is even worse), the absence of both reconnaissance and strike UAVs, it’s not sad, but it’s a fact all the events show it, you sorry, but the Armed Forces of the Republic of Azerbaijan in the recent conflict acted much more effectively than there were more than enough frames for the destruction of SINGLE enemy equipment, we don’t have such frames and we don’t need fairy tales that they simply aren’t shown to us, the work of the Aerospace Forces, calibers, artillery, MLRS and other means of destruction are shown, but No UAV? Maybe everything is easier? No need to deceive yourself, alas, they blew this direction ..
Well, the main conclusion is the fallacy of the thesis BATSKONARITY ... We will pay BIG blood for this, and we are already paying ..

[bk316]

Well, let's be honest Andrey, a hundred of such drones would be very useful to us now. Sit in Donetsk and twist the gesture, no one would raise their heads for 300 km.
And the flight hour is negligible and there is nothing to shoot them down, and if necessary, you can drop down to strike without risking an insanely expensive aircraft and, most importantly, a pilot. Now Kharkov would have been cleared ....

[Ka-52]

if there is nothing to shoot down, then where is the risk for the "crazy expensive plane"? it's a contradiction)
if there is no risk for guided aviation, then it should be applied. So the efficiency of one sortie is orders of magnitude higher than that of a UAV.

[bk316]

if there is nothing to bring down, then where is the risk

if necessary and come down to hit without risking an insanely expensive aircraft and most importantly a pilot

We read carefully. Nobody canceled MANPADS.

[Ka-52]

We read carefully. Nobody canceled MANPADS.

against MANPADS there is an effective method of working from echelons 6500 and above. To hit targets, at least SPAB, at least guided weapons are enough. But the problem is that, despite the puffing of cheeks by our military propagandists, the goal (destruction of air defense systems of Ukraine - SAM_ has not been achieved so far

[bk316]

against MANPADS there is an effective method of working from echelons 6500 and above.

Just not in urban areas.

[Hermit21]

Here is an analogue. Same load.

[Center]

[max702]

I am not an adherent of the sect of the holy bayraktar, I'm talking about the fact that we need a cheap simple drone in COMMERCIAL quantities capable of hitting a point target like "car" and highly desirable capable of doing it at night .. Judging by the picture that we see, there are difficulties with this .. About the fact that "We have such rockets, but we won't show you!" it’s not worth it, if there were suitable frames, they would have appeared a long time ago .. I repeat, alas, but this is not observed ..

[Victor_B]

that with the help of one Bayraktar drone, as many as “200 units of Russian military equipment” were allegedly destroyed. At the same time, “100 units of them (and these are mainly tanks and armored personnel carriers), according to the “mayor” of Sumy, were destroyed on the territory of about 2 km.

Why feel sorry for them, Muscovites?
Write more!

[Valery Vp]

and you can write that the last 5 (yes, 10 trifles!) units, but better than tanks ... in! ... he destroyed with a ram! while driving them into the field, on all fours like sparrows ...

[Vladimir 290]

Well, yes, and they are bad with mathematics, how many sorties, with what load, and all the same. I know only one analogue in modern history, these are four tankers and a dog (although the tank and Sharik were Russians, and the driver was Georgian).

[Nexcom]

Svidomo just got the "0" key stuck on the keyboard.

[Lionnvrsk]

Quote: Vladimir 290

though the tank and Sharik were Russians, and the driver was Georgian).

And the loader is a Volksdeutsche!

[Blade3]

Indian films chtol reviewed ..

[Mungut]

And then Ostap suffered.

[Awaz]

such statements, even in inflamed brains, do not appear from scratch. You can look at ukroresources and there are a lot of videos from these very bay raktars. WELL, not that full, but there is. But it doesn’t infuriate me, it infuriates the carelessness of the Russian Armed Forces, as well as the fact that no systems are used to combat drones, along the way at all.

[Nastia makarova]

there 95% are fakes, they only destroy abandoned equipment

[Nastia makarova]

and isn't that fake?

[Vitaly gusin]

Quote: Nastia Makarova

there 95% are fakes, they only destroy abandoned equipment

And for what reason are they abandoning military equipment, and is this not a war crime during a military operation?

[Nastia makarova]

leave to guard a few soldiers? to be killed or captured? the column went further and figs with this technique, something will be evacuated later, stamped with a new one as much as necessary

[Vitaly gusin]

Quote: Nastia Makarova

the column went further and figs with this technique,

And what happened to the technique with which "and figs with this technique", did it fall apart on its own from old age, or did someone ruin it?
I understand that the technique has fallen apart, and those who were in it, look in Look for your own (if it's possible for you), but don't look.

[Nastia makarova]

somewhere there are technical malfunctions, somewhere the fuel is over, so they throw

[Vitaly gusin]

Quote: Nastia Makarova

somewhere there are technical malfunctions, somewhere the fuel is over, so they throw

[bk316]

At 85, they left me to guard 2a36 in the middle of the forest in the winter with one young one, for almost a week - the result of bilateral pneumonia - I barely got out.
And why left - everything breaks. We saw that the torsion bar of the towed gun would break. I haven't seen it before or since...

[Awaz]

you have inflammation of the brain at about the same level as that of dill psychics .. You seem to have all escaped from the same ward, only on opposite sides of the border

[igor67]

Quote: Nastia Makarova

leave to guard a few soldiers? to be killed or captured? Column

. You can see from the grille that there was left from the t72 b3 in the foreground bmd2, or rather, everything that was left went further and figs with this technique, something will be evacuated later, stamped with a new one as much as you like

[Nastia makarova]

so it doesn’t matter, the main thing is that people are safe and there are no corpses in the photo

[igor67]

Quote: Nastia Makarova

so it doesn’t matter, the main thing is that people are safe and there are no corpses in the photo

Spreading the troupe is not ethical, and I think the admins will not let it through, but if you want to, contact the admin Smirnov, if he gives the go-ahead, I'll post it

[igor67]

Quote: Nastia Makarova

so it doesn’t matter, the main thing is that people are safe and there are no corpses in the photo

.

Eka you are bloodthirsty,

[igorbrsv]

"Eka you bloodthirsty"
If I'm not mistaken, only the Armed Forces of Ukraine "decorates" their armored vehicles with such gratings. Allegedly from the cumulative helps

[Vitaly gusin]

Quote: Nastia Makarova

so it doesn’t matter, the main thing is that people are safe and there are no corpses in the photo

I wrote to you, if you want to see then look for your twitter. BUT I DO NOT RECOMMEND YOU!

[Tank jacket]

It is reported that the Russian army occupied Kherson

In the photo, the city administration near the parking lot of AT and BT of the RF Armed Forces

The battle for the new Russia

[Vasily Onischuk]

He will bite a couple more stopars of the vodka, bite with bacon and that bayraktar alone will destroy all the armored units of the RF Armed Forces. in one go.

[Tatyana Pershina]

Reminds me of an old German joke. The father tells his son about the war, about his exploits and asks:
“Now do you understand what war is?”
- It's all right, Dad. I can’t understand one thing - why did our army need other soldiers besides you?

[Amateur]

Why is it possible for the Azerbaijani and Turkish media to write fairy tales about Bayraktar, but not for the mayor of Sumy? He has seen enough of TV and therefore he is sure that this pepelats is capable of anything. A sort of "Death Star".

[rocket757]

The more deplorable the state of the Armed Forces of Ukraine, the more Ukrainian fakes: the Head of Sumy announced “200 destroyed units of Russian equipment” with one Bayraktar UAV

. All in the steam room ... then show the bill, especially active.
They chose their own path.

[grandfather_Kostya]

Recall that the payload of one UAV Bayraktar-TB2 is about 50 kg.

50 kg of bricks is not enough for 200 targets, but a bag of peas is just right!

[Cananecat]

It will be necessary to hold exhibitions of the destroyed equipment of the National Battalions and the Armed Forces of Ukraine in Donetsk and Luhansk.

[igor67]

The best way to test a fake is to post the work of a drone is to post a video and discuss if it's a real strike or cartoons, but you have it forbidden

[Nastia makarova]

telegram channels are full of photos, but 85% are fakes

[igor67]

Quote: Nastia Makarova

telegram channels are full of photos, but 85% are fakes

I don't mind if you know how Russian technology differs from Ukrainian

this is a broken column of the Russian Federation, armored personnel carrier 82

[igor67]

The same column

[igor67]

arrow 10, I made a screen with a video, because I don’t know how to embed the video,

[Repellent]

Here, hold on.

[igor67]

. The site does not give me permission, I'll try again

[Nastia makarova]

the fake is that this is not a lined equipment, but abandoned and then burned by the locals

[Repellent]

Quote: igor67

you have it forbidden

Posting videos is not allowed, as far as I know.

Quote: igor67

The best way to check a fake is to post the work of a drone

Do it, be kind! I'll watch with interest how one Baitractor "put out" two tank regiments

PS: do not offer videos from Digital Combat Simulator

[sgr291158]

They lie, even if the brain is turned on a little.

[svoit]

Quote: Civil

The child prodigy couldn’t do anything against well-built air defense

It would be nice to get this "competent" one somewhere else, until the 5th day the columns went without coverage at all, there was none at all, especially the supply columns. Yes, and we have quite a few Thors

[kytx]

And Bayiaktar is his prophet!

[Olkhovsky]

I can not upload the video here now, the format is wrong. The essence of the video is that a local resident is filming two knocked out burning Ukrainian tanks in Kyiv, he says the tanks were knocked out from a drone (Russian), the wounded soldiers were taken to the hospital.

[Servisinzhener]

Write that 200 were destroyed. Why feel sorry for them.

[Nexcom]

"Yes, more, more, yeah ..." (c)

[Romanenko]

The Turks probably read, already shed tears of pride

[Nexcom]

Yeah, they immediately began to include this in advertising booklets as a confirmation of effectiveness.

[voyaka uh]

Bayraktar hit the supply equipment parking lot. Trucks and fuel trucks were parked densely there. Ammunition detonations and secondary fires began.

[Repellent]

Quote: voyaka uh

Bayraktar hit the supply equipment parking lot. Trucks and fuel trucks were parked densely there. Ammunition detonations and secondary fires began.

Did someone tell you, or did you see it? If you've seen it, please share the video. If not... well, it's understandable, I guess

[n0001]

Video filmed from the operating room. You can see the screens and conversations of the drone pilots. They are genuine. All railway transport with fuel was destroyed.

[Repellent]

Quote: n0001

All railway transport with fuel was destroyed

It was about this:

with the help of one Bayraktar drone, as many as “200 units of Russian military equipment” were allegedly destroyed

Quote: n0001

Video filmed from the operating room

Where is the video??

[n0001]

https://www.facebook.com/watch/?v=724421135390003&extid=CL-UNK-UNK-UNK-AN_GK0T-GK1C&ref=sharing

[Repellent]

And what was that?

Quote: n0001

You can see the screens and conversations of drone pilots

No screens, no conversations...

Quote: n0001

All railway transport with fuel was destroyed

There no railway transport.

[prohax]

bayraktar p.orno movie

[n0001]

https://twitter.com/search?q=BT2%20train&src=typed_query

[aszzz888]

voyaka uh (Alexey)
Today, 11: 20
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Bayraktar hit the supply equipment parking lot. There Trucks and fuel trucks were parked densely. Ammunition detonations and secondary fires began.

docks, in fact "there" in the studio. Even though I know you don't. Another dump of fakes got out.

[n0001]

Supply chains have been disrupted in many places. The military leave the equipment and return to Russia. https://www.facebook.com/watch?v=1010921093140551

[n0001]

Farmers pick up abandoned equipment. .https://twitter.com/cryinacoolwayhs/status/1498037940101914626

[n0001]

https://twitter.com/search?q=traktor&src=typed_query

[n0001]

To the north of Kyiv there is a column 60 km long. It's been going on for 3 days now. Why?

[Repellent]

Quote: igor67

. The site does not give me permission, I'll try again

Does it say "video is not safe"?

[n0001]

What are these dreams. The army in the field uses walkie-talkies. There are tons of entries. It's a shame.

[flicker]

The head of Sumy announced "200 destroyed units of equipment of the Russian Federation" by one UAV Bayraktar

Something reminded

[Bayun]

In general, mayors of cities and heads of administrations of Ukraine, who impede the fight against fascism, should seriously think about complicity. The plan of action does not provide for punishing them.

But the truth will come out. They will find the numbers of ammunition or or parts of it flying around the cities, they will also find witnesses who will tell who the Nazis gave orders to shoot at their cities, and how mayors and heads of administrations gave "firing lists." Let people decide for themselves what to do with such "gauleiters" and "burgomasters" ...