Russian special operation in Ukraine: small arms

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Earlier in the article "Russian special operation in Ukraine: to dispel the fog of war", we talked about a systematic increase in the effectiveness of combat operations by monitoring the airspace and territory of Ukraine in real time. Now it's time to come down from heaven to earth - let's talk about shooting weapons and additional devices that can significantly increase the effectiveness of ground units.

Let's make a reservation right away, these are just assumptions - the data on the weapons and military equipment used during the special operation in Ukraine are not disclosed by the Ministry of Defense of the Russian Federation (MO RF), so we can only judge this based on information that is publicly available on the Internet , photos and videos from the battlefields.



So, based on the available information, sometimes one gets the impression that in the course of a special operation in Ukraine, the latest weapons and equipment available to the armed forces (AF) of the Russian Federation are not always used.

Why is this happening, maybe the country's leadership saves the best in case of an invasion by NATO countries?

If so, then, according to the author, it is absolutely meaningless. In the conditions of the actual war with Ukraine and severe economic sanctions, we will not be physically able to resist the united NATO bloc. The only response to a NATO air-ground operation of any intensity is to launch tactical nuclear strikes against US/NATO troop concentrations and bases in Eastern Europe, and possibly Western Europe as well.

On the other hand, the operation in Ukraine is already underway, and our enemies (it’s impossible to call them “partners” even in quotation marks) are looking at it very carefully. The longer the war goes on, the more losses on our side, the more it will seem to them that Russia is weak and You can also try. Especially considering the anti-Russian propaganda, which its creators themselves may ultimately believe.

In other words, in this situation, the more we prepare for a future war, saving for it the best and most effective weapons, instead of using them in the current conflict, the more likely that this war will begin.

But the opposite is also true. We need the fastest and most decisive victory, which will not allow us to doubt the effectiveness of the Russian armed forces. The most valuable resource is time, and it works against us. The faster and more decisive the victory, the less likely that someone will want to repeat the experience of Ukrainian nationalists.

In order to minimize the time until our victory, it is necessary to use the most effective weapons of those that the RF Armed Forces have or can be quickly acquired.

Of course, in the context of the ongoing war, it makes no sense to talk about promising weapons systems that will be developed and purchased sometime in the future - only about what we have now.

Automatic


As the author has repeatedly stated on the pages of the Military Review, no matter what high-tech weapons are used, still from thirty to sixty or more percent of enemy soldiers are hit by small arms. What can be done to further improve the effectiveness of small arms?

Russian special operation in Ukraine: small arms

Statistics of those killed and wounded in military conflicts

Firstly, if the new AK-12 assault rifles provide 50% better accuracy and accuracy of fire than the AK-74M, as stated in some sources (according to other sources - 20%), then all of them should be in the hands of military personnel participating in a special operation conducted by the RF Armed Forces in Ukraine. Not at the parade, not in warehouses, but exactly there, in battle. One thing you definitely shouldn’t skimp on is small arms – we can produce tens of thousands of them a year under any sanctions.


Automatic AK-12. Image by wikipedia.org

Secondly, optical sights of variable magnification x1-4 / x1-6 / x1-8, constant magnification from x2 to x4 and collimator sights, as already mentioned on the pages of the "Military Review" - their presence significantly increases the effectiveness of the firing of fighters, in including those with poor shooting training. What is also extremely important - optical sights simplify the identification of targets, that is, the ability to distinguish a military man from a civilian, a commander from a private, a looter with a weapon from a soldier at a greater range.

If there is a shortage of collimator and optical sights in the warehouses of the Armed Forces of the Russian Federation, then it is necessary to quickly, according to simplified procurement procedures, purchase everything that is available from the quality on the civilian market in Russia and Belarus, which can effectively keep the recoil of 5,45x39 mm / 7,62x39 mm assault rifles , and send all this to the troops taking part in the special operation in Ukraine. Of course, you must not forget about the installed side rails (not all machines have them initially), brackets, rings, batteries and other devices and components necessary for installing sights on weapons and ensuring their operation.

Thirdly, muzzle brakes-compensators of the closed (DTK) type and / or silencers designed to work with supersonic cartridges. This direction is only becoming mainstream so far, but they are already popular with fighters of special operations forces (SOF) and private military companies (PMCs). The use of closed-type DTK / silencers on machine guns allows you to almost completely remove the muzzle flash, which is especially important when conducting combat operations at night.


Tactical silencer on the M-4 assault rifle. Defense Force image

The sound of the shot is also significantly reduced - in the carbine of caliber 308 Win. with a barrel length of 350–415 mm, the sound of a shot is similar to a shot from a howitzer - a person can experience pain in the hearing organs even in an open area (it’s better not to talk about a room at all), while the sound of a shot of the same weapon with a closed type DTK is comparable to the sound of a shot from "little". For a 5,45x39 mm assault rifle, the result will be even better.

This not only reduces the unmasking of the shooter's position, but also increases the efficiency of controlling fighters on the battlefield. Besides, anyone who has even fired a military pistol indoors knows how a shot hits the ears. Without active or passive headphones, the assault on buildings leads to massive light contusions of fighters, a decrease in attention, and loss of controllability by assault. A closed-type DTC or a silencer significantly reduces the severity of the problem. By the way, active headphones are also vital, of course, complete with a supply of batteries for them, especially if they can be connected to radio communications.

Of course, it is doubtful that closed-type DTCs or silencers will be able to be quickly purchased in sufficient quantities. At the same time, there is nothing prohibitively complicated in their design; practically at any industrial enterprise, their production can be established in a couple of weeks. At the same time, everything that is available in warehouses and on the market must be chosen cleanly, it is possible that a couple of thousand can be found / purchased relatively quickly, and then act as the situation develops.

Sniper weapon


It can be assumed that, as in many other military conflicts taking place in different parts of the world, anti-material sniper rifles of 12,7x108 mm caliber will play an important role. The author has no information on how many of these rifles are in service with the RF Armed Forces and how many of them are now in the hands of the soldiers fighting in Ukraine, but the more the better.

Large-caliber sniper rifles allow you to destroy enemy fighters located behind shelters, hit the crews of machine guns, automatic grenade launchers, mortars and anti-tank guided missile systems (ATGM), hit lightly armored vehicles, conduct counter-sniper combat, and so on. Like automatic weapons, Russia will be able to produce such weapons under any sanctions, so Russian troops in Ukraine should be as saturated as possible with these weapons.


Russian self-loading large-caliber sniper rifle OSV-96. Image by wikipedia.org

Of course, such weapons can only be used with an optical sight. It can be assumed that large-caliber sniper rifles purchased for the RF Armed Forces are initially equipped with optical sights, but this is only half the story. It is much more important to equip the maximum number of large-caliber sniper rifles with thermal imaging sights - they will make these weapons around the clock, which will ensure a continuous debilitating effect on the enemy. And during the day, a thermal imager can provide a sniper with increased capabilities for detecting thermally contrasting targets.

Thermal cameras for large-caliber sniper rifles are extremely important. Even if there are few of them in the warehouses of the RF Armed Forces, it is necessary to use most of them in Ukraine, as well as promptly purchase all models available on the civilian market that can withstand the recoil of a 12,7x108 mm cartridge. And those that cannot hold 12,7x108 mm, but can withstand the recoil of 7,62x54R or 5,45x39 mm cartridges, must be purchased for installation on SVD rifles, light machine guns and machine guns. In general, there are not many thermal imagers on the battlefield.

As in the case of assault rifles, sniper rifles of all classes should be equipped to the maximum with silencers designed to work with supersonic cartridges or closed type DTK - the effect of their use will be immediately noticeable.


Shooting from a 12,7x108 mm rifle with a closed-type DTK during the day


Shooting from a rifle of caliber 12,7x108 mm with a closed-type DTK at night

Conclusions


Of course, much more can be said about other types of small arms - heavy machine guns, special sniper rifles for subsonic ammunition of 9x39 mm caliber, and much more, but in this case, only two samples of small arms are specifically focused on - machine guns and large-caliber sniper rifles.

Equipping assault rifles and large-caliber sniper rifles with optical and thermal imaging sights, as well as silencers or closed-type DTK, will significantly increase the effectiveness of ground combat operations during a special operation in Ukraine.
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  1. +5
    3 March 2022 05: 24
    The most valuable resource is time, and it works against us.

    Yes, this is so ... we must learn to be one step ahead of the enemy in hostilities ... much depends on the literacy and determination of the commander ... the enemy we came across is extremely insidious and resourceful.
    Our fighters simply need to be equipped with weapons for his methods of warfare.
    I hope the mistakes of the two Chechen companies will be taken into account here.
    1. +1
      3 March 2022 22: 55
      Yes, this is so ... we must learn to be one step ahead of the enemy in hostilities ... much depends on the literacy and determination of the commander ... the enemy we came across is extremely insidious and resourceful.
      About this, even Suvorov kept saying more than 200 years ago !!! And they don’t choose enemies, surprisingly ... but there is always something to refer to in the field: the resourcefulness and cunning of the enemy and unaccounted for external factors in the economy, to the heap !!!
  2. +2
    3 March 2022 05: 27
    As for the use of obsolete weapons (not about small arms).

    Perhaps it makes sense to free warehouses from junk. Wasting the resource of obsolete equipment.
    Cynical in relation to manpower, but no one canceled the economy.
    Yes, and there is a feeling that all the most modern weapons will still come in handy in battles with more technically advanced armies.
    It would not be rational to spend a resource in battles with the Armed Forces of Ukraine that cannot be increased quickly.
    1. +11
      3 March 2022 05: 50
      A person’s life is priceless. Iron can be riveted, but there is no person. It takes a huge amount of time, nerves and money to raise and train a professional soldier. We must not forget that with every soldier killed, his future children are lost. So I fundamentally disagree with you !!! !!! The Russian military must use the best and most modern. And to decide on the economics of war after victory. Or do you again want to fight with hats and corpses. The Ministry of Defense, due to its attitude towards personnel, abandons equipment, pulls people out in the first place. In Chechnya and Georgia, epaulettes were flogged for leaving even lined equipment, people were ruined during evacuations.
      1. -1
        3 March 2022 05: 53
        We have maxims still with mosquitoes in our warehouses, do you propose to fight with them?

        No. Do not bring the idea to idiocy.
        1. +2
          3 March 2022 09: 27
          As for Maxims and three-rulers, I'm not sure that they are in stock. On the site, a couple of years ago, there was material: the remains of maxims and three-rulers will be converted into hunting ones.
          1. +3
            3 March 2022 09: 37
            We don’t have so many hunters and collectors)))
          2. +4
            3 March 2022 10: 24
            Quote: vladcub
            the remains of maxims and three-rulers will be converted into hunting ones.

            about mosquitoes, it still didn’t go anywhere, but on what type of hunting do you propose to use Maxim ??? laughing
            1. +4
              3 March 2022 11: 35
              Quote: PSih2097
              Quote: vladcub
              the remains of maxims and three-rulers will be converted into hunting ones.

              about mosquitoes, it still didn’t go anywhere, but on what type of hunting do you propose to use Maxim ??? laughing

              Quote: PSih2097
              on what type of hunting do you suggest using Maxim ???

              Take first while they give! Think later!
              1. 0
                3 March 2022 12: 15
                Why do you need this thing on wheels!
                Here is a PPSh (hunting carbine) in the Russian Federation for 15140 r they sell - cheap, cheerful, without wheels. And the cartridges for the TT will do.
                1. +1
                  3 March 2022 13: 14
                  Quote: Wildcat
                  TT ammo will do.

                  Size (rifle) also matters! Yes
                  Quote: Wildcat
                  why do you need this thing on wheels!

                  Well... to ambush the boar trail! When are you expecting this boar? You are tormented by the PPSh (hunting carbine) in your hands at the ready to hold! And the cartridge is too small for a boar! And then ... I rolled up, brought me onto the path ... and you can play cards! fellow
                  1. +1
                    3 March 2022 21: 10
                    Well... to ambush the boar trail! When are you expecting this boar? You are tormented by the PPSh (hunting carbine) in your hands at the ready to hold! And the cartridge is too small for a boar! And then ... I rolled up, brought me onto the path ... and you can play cards!
                    Rashkin looks at you with condemnation...
                  2. 0
                    4 March 2022 13: 47
                    And the cartridge is too small for a boar
                    Compensated by rate of fire wink
                2. 0
                  29 May 2022 15: 52
                  And imagine a family of wild boars jumping out, and you are here with Max on the tower already at the ready ....
              2. 0
                3 March 2022 14: 34
                When hunting wild boars .... where the law allows ...
                1. 0
                  3 March 2022 17: 40
                  Greetings Alexander. Apparently you are not a hunter at all))))) On the heel or chassis (it suddenly hits), or numbered (suddenly it hits you)))) or lobaznaya (the most expensive and costly, put feeders, build a lobaz, MOST IMPORTANT don’t oversleep))))) Maksimka on the storehouse is the very thing))))) Only our legislation is on hunting weapons and RULES !!!! hunting is getting funnier and scarier. This is a separate topic. And yes, congratulations to the owners of civilian weapons !!!! !!New rules for passing the medical commission have entered!!!!! The ore private security companies will swell, the hunters will roar. Thanks to the edru.
                  1. 0
                    4 March 2022 11: 18
                    I don’t know how, but according to the law, you can’t put storehouses less than 200 m from bait, so you can take game there. Otherwise you will lose your license forever.
                    1. 0
                      4 March 2022 16: 02
                      That's why I wrote that it's the most expensive))) They are placed on the escape-approach routes (paths). Then you sit out for days (we now have 1000 per society for a miss). a flock leaves the forest park for a year, then the exit and entry sections are flagged (we put flags for 25 km each).
              3. +2
                3 March 2022 18: 19
                Nikolaevich, I put it on the windowsill in a cool way and they will bypass you, but to the cops. I have a license to shoot rabbits. So I'm waiting for them to run
      2. -2
        3 March 2022 05: 54
        The Russian military should use the best and most modern. And speeches about the economy of war should be decided after victory.

        Idealism cannot be overcome))).
      3. -11
        3 March 2022 06: 00
        Iron can be riveted, there is no man.

        My personal experience says that people can be "riveted")). And you seem to be out of luck.

        To oppose "iron" and people is silly. Both have value (ask current UAF soldiers how they fight without heavy weapons and air support).
        1. +5
          3 March 2022 06: 34
          It’s not rational to ruin people. Still, it’s good that our Defense Ministry does not share your point of view. A unit of the 90th division with Terminators is on its way. This means that iron, not life, will be supplied for urban sweeps. And yes, there is enough insanity. There is such a UN special representative for Ukraine Masha (as she calls herself), so she made a proposal that the Russian soldiers, having surrendered, will receive money (for a lama of rubles) If with military equipment, then five.
          1. -3
            3 March 2022 06: 44
            It's not rational to kill people.

            And who proposes to coffin?
            It looks like you don't understand a simple thing. During any wars, they fight with the weapons that are here and now, and not with the best ones.
            It may be news to you, but "iron" does not grow in iron forests.
            Ultra-precise ammunition, aircraft, helicopters and even tanks must be produced.
            This takes both time and money. Everything is exactly like with living power.
            Therefore your opposition is naive. Like, we have all the most modern weapons in bulk - spend it, I don’t want it, at any moment we will get as much as we need. This is not true.
      4. +2
        3 March 2022 08: 48
        I have greatly increased respect for the General Staff of the Ministry of Defense due to the attitude towards personnel - they abandon equipment - they pull people out first of all

        Welcome.
        hi
        I support, very true and clear remark. Although because of this, their media were able to make a picture with our equipment, “abandoned”, but this allowed us to save lives! It's priceless!

        By the way, about the shooting and equipping them with collimators and sights. A lot of photos and videos come from groups of the DPR and LPR. And the equipment of their fighters is different.
        Let's look at ours:
        [center] [thumb] https://topwar.ru/uploads/posts/2022-
        1. -1
          3 March 2022 10: 37
          well, an AK sight from a number of EOTech-like ones, something like the 500 series.
      5. -3
        3 March 2022 11: 36
        A person's life is priceless only for his closest relatives.
    2. +3
      3 March 2022 06: 31
      Quote: Expert_Analyst_Forecaster
      Perhaps it makes sense to free warehouses from junk. Wasting the resource of obsolete equipment.

      What problems. Sell. Not the latest weapons, as they do, but like the Americans, outdated, obsolete. The world is full of states that will buy it.
      But do not arm your own, and even for the duration of the hostilities.
      1. -7
        3 March 2022 06: 46
        What problems. Sell.

        And if there is no possibility to sell, but there is a use. Moreover, use it with benefit in order to justify the cost of producing these weapons and save the most modern weapons, which are always in short supply.
    3. +4
      3 March 2022 07: 04
      Quote: Expert_Analyst_Forecaster
      As for the use of obsolete weapons (not about small arms).

      Perhaps it makes sense to free warehouses from junk. Wasting the resource of obsolete equipment.
      Cynical in relation to manpower, but no one canceled the economy.
      Yes, and there is a feeling that all the most modern weapons will still come in handy in battles with more technically advanced armies.
      It would not be rational to spend a resource in battles with the Armed Forces of Ukraine that cannot be increased quickly.


      The problem is that outdated weapons reduce effectiveness. Reduced efficiency does not allow you to win quickly. The longer a war goes on, the more likely it is to escalate into something bigger, like a skirmish with NATO. Or they will start sending more weapons, mercenaries, like, without directly intervening. The longer the economy will suffer losses from sanctions (there will be fewer of them after the victory, and the faster the victory, the more sanctions will be lifted - believe me). The worse the economy and the high-tech sector, the less modern weapons we can produce.
      1. -2
        3 March 2022 07: 15
        The problem is that outdated weapons reduce effectiveness. Reduced efficiency does not allow you to win quickly.

        You proceed from the fact that Russia has an abundance of modern weapons. And here I propose stupidity - to use some not the most effective means.
        Let's take an example.
        During the first days of the war, military columns were not accompanied by helicopters. We suffered increased losses in the "infantry". After the air defense of the Armed Forces of Ukraine was destroyed, and it is likely that it was partially destroyed by not the most modern ammunition, the columns began to be escorted by helicopters and losses decreased.
        If there were countless helicopters, they could be used to escort columns from the very beginning of the war. But, alas, we have a limited number of helicopters. Therefore, it is necessary to maneuver with available resources.
    4. +7
      3 March 2022 07: 55
      Your premise is not correct.
      The most valuable resource is people. The most valuable thing is their lives.
      This is not only an opportunity to return home safe and sound, although it is the most important thing. These are not the MISSING resources spent on training a person, his maintenance, his professional development.

      Such people are the backbone of the state and society. They should be given the very best as far as possible.
      1. -3
        3 March 2022 08: 00
        The most valuable resource is people. The most valuable thing is their lives.

        I absolutely agree with that.
        You can only try to save lives with the help of slogans.
        And it is possible with the help of the effective use of "iron".
        I am for the second way.
    5. 0
      3 March 2022 22: 58
      Just like the sale of military equipment after demilitarization, it is often easier and cheaper for the Defense Ministry to sell on the civilian market than to carry out a whole processing cycle, especially when military operations are "on the nose", plus you can save and make money and already on the gray / black markets outside the weapons operator country!
  3. -8
    3 March 2022 06: 52
    If preparations for the operation in Ukraine were carried out long before the start, then motorized rifle units underwent professional shooting training. With such preparation, it no longer matters which sight is on the machine. At a distance of 300-400 meters, one hundred percent defeat.
    1. +7
      3 March 2022 07: 07
      Quote: V.
      If preparations for the operation in Ukraine were carried out long before the start, then motorized rifle units underwent professional shooting training. With such preparation, it no longer matters which sight is on the machine. At a distance of 300-400 meters, one hundred percent defeat.


      Don't invent. Have you yourself tried to hit something at 300-400 meters? Under stress? And no optics?

      And aim always matters. Aiming is faster. Tired aim easier. You can shoot at a specific target location - in the head, for example, ignoring the bulletproof vest. Or in a protruding head, when the torso is not visible.

      With standard sights you should be able to see the target, front sight and rear sight (focus vision). And with a collimator - only the target, the point is always in focus.
      1. -2
        3 March 2022 11: 26
        I tried and now I shoot like that. 10000 shots made for military service.
        And what kind of stress does a professional contractor have? In fact, he lives in the war. In combat, he is like a fish in water. With a collimator, this is not entirely of course, this is shooting in greenhouse conditions. Plastic, glass, batteries are all subject to shock and other influences.
        After 400 meters you will clearly see nothing in the collimator. A sniper with a sniper rifle, yes, but that's another story.
        A quick shot with a hit in any part of the body is the main thing in battle. Or shooting in bursts so that the enemy does not raise his head while the unit is advancing to the intended line. soldier
        1. +3
          3 March 2022 15: 07
          Quote: V.
          ... With a collimator, this is not entirely of course, this is shooting in greenhouse conditions. Plastic, glass, batteries are all subject to shock and other influences.


          Yes, optics does not cancel open sights, but only as a reserve.

          Quote: V.
          After 400 meters you will clearly see nothing in the collimator. A sniper with a sniper rifle, yes, but that's another story.
          A quick shot with a hit in any part of the body is the main thing in battle. Or shooting in bursts so that the enemy does not raise his head while the unit is advancing to the intended line. soldier


          USA plans to introduce x1-8 sight + laser rangefinder and ballistic computer

          1. -1
            3 March 2022 15: 39
            Andrey V. we do not live in America and I have no idea where in a duffel bag or modern tactical backpack to place such a stray like this American three-in-one device. Again, plastic, glass, batteries plus a microcomputer. We have frosts over 30 how will all this work? By the way, the same collimator. But can a bayonet be attached to an American rifle? soldier
            1. -2
              3 March 2022 21: 03
              Quote: V.
              But can a bayonet be attached to an American rifle?

              Why? Do you see a lot of bayonets on Ak?
              1. +1
                3 March 2022 23: 07
                see a lot of bayonets on Ak?
                And a lot of people, in general, they will be able to use it in real combat, just like a cold one, and it doesn’t make much sense to poke into the Kevlar / aramid fibers of the package (ballistic fabric), the loss of time is only fraught !!!
                1. -1
                  4 March 2022 04: 45
                  A bayonet, at least for me, gives without conscious psychological confidence. This is the last chance in some melee conditions. Even just open a can of stew and cut a loaf of bread.
                  A sentry, or at checkpoints to restrain nervous refugees.
                  Melee weapons have not yet lost their relevance.
                  1. +1
                    4 March 2022 07: 49
                    Combat "cold", as the last chance, and then, if there are no options already, which, as it were, hints at the exhaustion of everything and everyone in a critical situation, although this is not very ... good! I do not argue that he has a high relevance.
                    Yes, and the versatility of this "tool", if used as a household.
                  2. 0
                    4 March 2022 09: 05
                    Quote: V.
                    A bayonet, at least for me, gives without conscious psychological confidence. This is the last chance in some melee conditions. Even just open a can of stew and cut a loaf of bread.
                    A sentry, or at checkpoints to restrain nervous refugees.
                    Melee weapons have not yet lost their relevance.

                    I meant the bayonet. Put on the machine. It is clear that no one forbids you to wear it behind the bootleg
            2. 0
              3 March 2022 23: 05
              We have frosts over 30 how will all this work?
              global warming, for many years, soon about -30 Celsius, we will read and listen in museums! feel
              Plastic, gun polyamide, has long caught up with alloys, it’s already the second decade of the 21st century, the stock and forend are made of polyamides and UUK compounds, and it doesn’t bother anyone who is in the subject ...
              Batteries, however, there are different ones in the civilian segment (obviously not household types, for home conditions), surprisingly, there are mikruhi in the ball calculators bully
    2. 0
      3 March 2022 08: 01
      As the MoD said earlier, contractors work there. They are not only financially motivated, but they are also required to have appropriate training-training. Otherwise, it is foolish to pay a person not small money, not to improve his skills and abilities.
    3. 0
      3 March 2022 10: 48
      Quote: V.
      At a distance of 300-400 meters, one hundred percent defeat.

      at a distance of 300 - 400 meters with a constant change of position in the city - this is suppression fire (only snipers are aimed), and then whom God sends (according to statistics, 1000 rounds of ammunition per 1 person) ...
  4. +6
    3 March 2022 07: 15
    The author, apparently, is a purely civilian person. Perhaps, "carried away" by small arms, but not really understanding how the use of "shooting" of different classes is carried out outside of competitive practice.
    If there is a shortage of collimator and optical sights in the warehouses of the Armed Forces of the Russian Federation, then it is necessary to quickly, according to simplified procurement procedures, purchase everything that is available from the quality on the civilian market in Russia and Belarus, which can effectively keep the recoil of 5,45x39 mm / 7,62x39 mm assault rifles , and send all this to the troops taking part in the special operation in Ukraine. Of course, you must not forget about the installed side rails (not all machines have them initially), brackets, rings, batteries and other devices and components necessary for installing sights on weapons and ensuring their operation.

    The market is saturated with a variety of sights: collimator, holographic, optical constant and variable magnification of various manufacturers. The design of the same type of products, by virtue of the foregoing, is also different, and only the principle of operation is common. Therefore, in this way, the troops will have a lot of sights that require a different approach when using them, starting from the simplest manipulations with them and ending with ways to enter aiming angles. With thermal imaging devices, the picture will be even more complicated.
    There is no desire to even mention the moment of organizing training for personnel in handling such a "zoo".
    Equipment and weapons must, must, be unified.
    1. +2
      3 March 2022 09: 46
      "equipment and weapons must, must, be unified," and fighters must be able to wield these weapons.
      For example, I "used" AK-74 in training, in kind there were "47", on the contract I have the same "74", but better than in training, a regular sight. Fighting began, they give me an AK 12 and some kind of collimator. I will benefit from 0 whole and 3 tenths.
      In training, as a rule, old machine guns and simple sights. In our time it was
      1. -2
        11 May 2022 23: 55
        Stalin once told his marshals that we would make a dozen tanks in a day, but we wouldn’t succeed in a soldier. But you can call from 16 to 70 years old. 16-year-olds are not afraid of anything, they are eternal. And 70-year-olds will give their lives easily, why does he need such a life. Schweik said that he had substituted himself for a shot and the enemy had fewer rounds of ammunition. And it is easier for the enemy to walk when there is no gravity. Therefore, we must proceed from the fact that old tanks are for 70-year-old fighters, new tanks are for 16-year-olds. And you don't have to worry about the economy. We will capture and here there are slaves for construction sites and factories, free of charge, just let's eat a minimum and make sure that they do not run away. Already now it is necessary to set up factories for slaves in the taiga. Where will they run away in the taiga if their master of the taiga is waiting. He also does not want to go hungry in the taiga, besides, there is no need to bury anyone, the owner of the taiga will recycle him for fertilizer, such trees will grow so feast for the eyes.
        1. 0
          12 May 2022 00: 06
          Quote: vladcub
          Fighting began, they give me an AK 12 and some kind of collimator. I will benefit from 0 whole and 3 tenths

          Mdya ... "some kind of kalimklitor" - you don’t need it if you’re not used to it.

          Quote: zenion
          you can call from 16 to 70 years old

          Whoa, yo! Cool! So I still have a chance laughing

          Quote: zenion
          old tanks for fighters 70 years old, new tanks for 16 year olds

          Old tanks are for extras, new ones are for pros. So it's more correct. 64B is enough for me, I'm used to it laughing

          Quote: zenion
          slaves for construction sites and factories, free, just let's eat a minimum and make sure that they don't run away. Already now it is necessary to set up factories for slaves in the taiga. Where will they run away in the taiga if their master of the taiga is waiting

          They'll make a mess. Slave labor is unpromising, it was proved in Egypt. ancient Yes
  5. 0
    3 March 2022 08: 49
    What can you do if officials are dumber than our sofas?
  6. -1
    3 March 2022 08: 57
    closed-type muzzle brakes-compensators (DTK) and / or silencers designed to work with supersonic cartridges
    Maybe, after all, 'subsonic', and they have been used for quite some time, haven't they?
    1. +3
      3 March 2022 09: 43
      Maybe, after all, 'subsonic', and they have been used for quite some time, haven't they?

      Silencers are used for subsonic ones, and low-noise firing devices (PMS) are used for supersonic ones.
      1. +1
        3 March 2022 10: 53
        Quote: riwas
        Silencers are used for subsonic

        PBBS is a device for silent and flameless shooting, if according to scientific ... soldier
        1. +1
          3 March 2022 23: 14
          Well, not everyone here reads scientific literature "on shooting", for lovers of cats and smoothies, terrible products of the Soviet-Russian military genius:



          1. +2
            4 March 2022 13: 01
            I like this one better... Plus 30-round magazines.
  7. 0
    3 March 2022 09: 18
    The article is generally correct. But all the author's reasoning is based on a single thesis: "So, based on the available information, sometimes one gets the impression that during a special operation in Ukraine, the latest weapons and equipment available to the armed forces (AF) of the Russian Federation are not always used." Those. "it seems so to me". And that's all ... Where are the statistics, evidence, at least some justification of why "sometimes one gets the impression" ....
  8. +1
    3 March 2022 09: 41
    Large-caliber sniper rifles allow you to destroy enemy fighters located behind shelters, hit the crews of machine guns, automatic grenade launchers, mortars and anti-tank guided missile systems (ATGM), hit lightly armored vehicles, conduct counter-sniper combat, and so on. Like automatic weapons, Russia will be able to produce such weapons under any sanctions, so Russian troops in Ukraine should be as saturated as possible with these weapons.

    The media slipped information about the supply of large-caliber sniper rifles by the West to Ukraine. Captures of British and American anti-tank weapons are reported, but nothing is heard of these rifles. Maybe they didn’t have time to teach possession?
  9. +5
    3 March 2022 10: 02
    Sorry, author, but all your theses do not stand up to scrutiny.
    1. The accuracy of the AK-12 compared to the AK-74 may be better by 20%, but only in the conditions of the training ground and then due to the sighting (collimators, optics). Structurally, they are identical. Fixed gas tube does not improve accuracy. And the picatinny bar in the conditions of combined arms operation is inferior in convenience to the dovetail.
    2. "Antimaterial" rifles are good in "trench" warfare. Carrying this drin is so-so pleasure. Accuracy allows you to confidently work only on targets such as a truck / armored personnel carrier.
    3. Our thermal imagers are based on imported matrices. I don't have my own microbolometers. And it won't be anytime soon. In addition, teplyaks are very sensitive to recoil. On large calibers, they are placed only through special brackets that dampen recoil. The price and complexity of such products will not allow them to be used in the army. Only for MTR at best.
    4. PBBs in the combined arms unit are not effective. Supersonic work poorly. And those with partitions negatively affect accuracy. Yes, the flash is extinguished, but this is only necessary in night combat conditions. In addition, the thing is heavy. I think a couple of extra stores will be more effective than this device.
    5. Optics with an honest unit, it's good. But again for MTR. Firstly, the price, secondly, it's too much. An ordinary constant in combination with a collimator will solve the problem. And the difference in price will massively saturate the units.
    1. -3
      3 March 2022 10: 58
      Quote: KSVK
      . The accuracy of the AK-12 compared to the AK-74 may be better by 20%, but only in the conditions of the training ground and then due to the sighting (collimators, optics).

      there are also pluses due to balanced automation.
      Quote: KSVK
      And the picatinny bar in the conditions of combined arms operation is inferior in terms of convenience to the dovetail.

      I agree with this, but people complain about the poor quality of the fastener itself (it needs to be sharpened) with the inability to put the adapter on the Weaver / Picatinny.
      1. +2
        3 March 2022 12: 32
        Quote: PSih2097
        there are also pluses due to balanced automation.

        AK-12 is made according to the classical scheme of automation with the removal of PG from the bore. There is no balanced automation there.
    2. +1
      3 March 2022 14: 49
      Quote: KSVK
      Sorry, author, but all your theses do not stand up to scrutiny.
      1. The accuracy of the AK-12 compared to the AK-74 may be better by 20%, but only in the conditions of the training ground and then due to the sighting (collimators, optics).


      Optics does not affect accuracy in any way. About 20% assumption indicated. But that's not bad either.

      Quote: KSVK
      Structurally, they are identical. Fixed gas tube does not improve accuracy.


      The AK-12 has a posted forearm, less influence on the barrel.

      Quote: KSVK
      And the picatinny bar in the conditions of combined arms operation is inferior in terms of convenience to the dovetail.


      It is quite possible, especially if you often shoot-put the sight. But there are also quick-detachable brackets on the weaver, so it’s more a matter of habit. YES, and you can often combine them.

      Quote: KSVK
      2. "Antimaterial" rifles are good in "trench" warfare. Carrying this drin is so-so pleasure.


      Why did it happen? On the Tigris / armored personnel carrier advanced, took up a position, hit the enemy's firing point and further. They don't go on foot.

      Quote: KSVK
      Accuracy allows you to confidently work only on targets such as a truck / armored personnel carrier.

      "In June 2017, a Canadian sniper set a record for a confirmed effective accurate shot made in combat conditions. With a TAC-50 12,7 mm rifle, a Canadian in Iraq killed a militant at a distance of 3540 meters."


      Depends on the rifle and the cartridge. Even if everything is worse with us, then you can work at 1000 meters.

      Quote: KSVK
      3. Our thermal imagers are based on imported matrices. I don't have my own microbolometers. And it won't be anytime soon.


      Yes.

      Quote: KSVK
      In addition, teplyaks are very sensitive to recoil. On large calibers, they are placed only through special brackets that dampen recoil. The price and complexity of such products will not allow them to be used in the army. Only for MTR at best.


      Not necessarily through a special bracket, at least according to the manufacturers.
      https://infratech.ru/thermal/thermal-sights/sight-it-310/

      The price - yes, not cheap, but not prohibitive either, it is possible, and not only in the MTR, but a little in the linear parts, to form groups of "sharp shooters".

      At least one per company. If he doesn’t get into a company, then into a battalion.

      Quote: KSVK
      4. PBBs in the combined arms unit are not effective. Supersonic work poorly. And those with partitions negatively affect accuracy.


      They work just fine if that's what they're designed for. The sound of a shot is reduced by 30-35 decibels, which is decent. Accuracy is not affected, sometimes the STP is shifted.

      Quote: KSVK
      Yes, the flash is extinguished, but this is only necessary in night combat conditions.


      So this is just critical, the modern army is distinguished by the fact that it can effectively fight at night, while outdated armies at this time are forced to simply waste time. Can you imagine the advantages of those who can attack at night, see the enemy in thermal imagers and night vision devices, and do not unmask themselves with flashes?

      Quote: KSVK
      In addition, the thing is heavy. I think a couple of extra stores will be more effective than this device.


      540 gr. on SVD, on 12,7 2300 gr., on AK - 340 gr. (titanium).

      Quote: KSVK
      5. Optics with an honest unit, it's good. But again for MTR. Firstly, the price, secondly, it's too much. An ordinary constant in combination with a collimator will solve the problem. And the difference in price will massively saturate the units.


      I agree.
    3. +1
      3 March 2022 23: 18
      PBBSs in a combined arms unit are not effective. Supersonic work poorly.
      They always worked poorly, even in the good old ones: Silence and Konareika, best of all with special. subsonic ammunition, which was made for this in the last century, namely to reduce acoustics and flash behind the muzzle !!!
    4. 0
      28 May 2022 14: 31
      And what prevents you from making a normal rifle for 12.7?
      The fact that ak 12 is known even after the first serious clashes.
  10. msm
    0
    3 March 2022 10: 39
    Now there is a battle for Mariupol, where the frenzied Nazis have settled. Tell me, are Bumblebee and Boer used in our troops (including the LDNR)? Or it's not humane, or they don't fucking exist!
    1. -2
      3 March 2022 11: 27
      https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=EzxdGx5GRTM
  11. 0
    3 March 2022 13: 23
    The sound of the shot is also significantly reduced - in the carbine of caliber 308 Win. with a barrel length of 350–415 mm, the sound of a shot is similar to a shot from a howitzer

    I would like to ask the author, don’t take it for a joke, but where did you manage to find a rifle / carbine under .308 with such a barrel length? I absolutely agree with you about silencers, shooting is more comfortable and game does not break away ..
    1. +1
      3 March 2022 14: 24
      Quote: AlexFly
      The sound of the shot is also significantly reduced - in the carbine of caliber 308 Win. with a barrel length of 350–415 mm, the sound of a shot is similar to a shot from a howitzer

      I would like to ask the author, don’t take it for a joke, but where did you manage to find a rifle / carbine under .308 with such a barrel length? I absolutely agree with you about silencers, shooting is more comfortable and game does not break away ..


      https://kalashnikov.market/product/201400901231/sajga-308-isp-46-308-win-350-mm

      https://kalashnikov.market/product/201400901221/sajga-308-isp-61-308-win-415-mm

      There is something about them on this channel:
      1. 0
        3 March 2022 14: 27
        I shoot 400 in half a year .. A 350-415 barrel is NOT FOR HUNTING !!!!
        1. 0
          3 March 2022 14: 29
          Quote: AlexFly
          I shoot 400 in half a year .. A 350-415 barrel is NOT FOR HUNTING !!!!


          On this topic, disputes in specialized forums have been going on for years. PMSM, if there are people who successfully hunt with such weapons, and everything suits them, then there is nothing to argue. It’s just that the wording is changing, not “NOT FOR HUNTING !!!”, but “it’s inconvenient for me to hunt with such a short barrel”, or something like that.
          1. 0
            3 March 2022 15: 42
            And who are these people? The animal should be KILLED, not tortured... Didn't you go for wounded animals? And I, you know, had to ...
            1. 0
              3 March 2022 20: 14
              Quote: AlexFly
              And who are these people? The animal should be KILLED, not tortured... Didn't you go for wounded animals? And I, you know, had to ...


              Here is a table from guns.ru



              The difference in muzzle energy is not critical. The range of effective shooting on the hunt is slightly reduced, it already depends on the hunter - he must choose the range and weapon acceptable for his skills and type of game. And if you take cartridges with fast-burning gunpowder, then there will be almost no difference at all.

              Sig Sauer has developed a version of the MCX Raptor with an 8" barrel or 200!!! mm, which is much shorter than even the version of the civilian carbine Saiga 308 isp. 46 with its barrel length of 350 mm, while the muzzle energy there is high, the cartridge is even more powerful than .308.
              1. 0
                4 March 2022 11: 08
                The energy of a bullet for a reliable defeat of an animal is measured at a distance of 100 m from the muzzle. For a confident defeat of an animal, the energy must be at least 2200 J (wild boar), for an elk, which means even higher .. From your table it can be seen that almost all short trunks are already in the red zone .. unacceptable or undesirable.
  12. +1
    3 March 2022 20: 29
    Quote: AVM

    Optics does not affect accuracy in any way. About 20% assumption indicated. But that's not bad either.


    For technical accuracy from the machine, yes, nivapros. But accuracy is issued by the weapon-shooter-ammunition complex. But in the complex, the sight is even very influential.

    Quote: AVM

    The AK-12 has a posted forearm, less influence on the barrel.


    Yes posted. But IMHO, with our quality of ammunition, this is not significant.

    Quote: AVM

    It is quite possible, especially if you often shoot-put the sight. But there are also quick-detachable brackets on the weaver, so it’s more a matter of habit. YES, and you can often combine them.


    IMHO, with AK accuracy, picatinny is redundant. Dovetail is cheaper, more reliable, more convenient. And with a lid a la RPK, you don’t have to bother, and this is also a cost. You can combine, the question is why? What does it give?

    Quote: AVM

    Why did it happen? On the Tigris / armored personnel carrier advanced, took up a position, hit the enemy's firing point and further. They don't go on foot.


    Well, there are no tasks for large-caliber rifles in an infantry unit. For work on manpower, power is excessive, and accuracy is insufficient. And technically, the power is already insufficient. BTR / BRDM / BMP in the frontal projection hold 14,5 * 114. On a moving "shahidmobile" you still need to get into a "kill zone" such as an engine / driver, just like a truck. The same tasks are completely solvable by SVD / microwave. RPGs solve this problem even better.

    Quote: AVM


    "In June 2017, a Canadian sniper set a record for a confirmed effective accurate shot made in combat conditions. With a TAC-50 12,7 mm rifle, a Canadian in Iraq killed a militant at a distance of 3540 meters."


    This is an exception. Which confirms the rule. A hit from a handgun at a distance of over 800 meters on a growth target is a matter of probability.

    Quote: AVM

    Depends on the rifle and the cartridge. Even if everything is worse with us, then you can work at 1000 meters.


    At 1000 meters, you can work with a regular x54 cartridge. The cartridge only has to be of the appropriate quality. It is in the quality of the cartridge that you need to invest FIRST of all, and not in a new body kit for the AK-74. wink

    Quote: AVM

    The price - yes, not cheap, but not prohibitive either, it is possible, and not only in the MTR, but a little in the linear parts, to form groups of "sharp shooters".

    At least one per company. If he doesn’t get into a company, then into a battalion.


    Teplyak is a necessary thing, maybe even necessary. But while there are no completely our matrices, I'm afraid it's useless to discuss.

    Quote: AVM

    They work just fine if that's what they're designed for. The sound of a shot is reduced by 30-35 decibels, which is decent. Accuracy is not affected, sometimes the STP is shifted.


    With partitions affect. And how. And besides the STP, the balance is also changing. The sound of a shot of the x39 cartridge, which is seven, which is five, is quite tolerable. Especially in open areas.

    Quote: AVM

    So this is just critical, the modern army is distinguished by the fact that it can effectively fight at night, while outdated armies at this time are forced to simply waste time. Can you imagine the advantages of those who can attack at night, see the enemy in thermal imagers and night vision devices, and do not unmask themselves with flashes?


    An effective flame arrester, coupled with a high-quality cartridge, will completely solve the problem of muzzle flash. Yes

    Quote: AVM

    540 gr. on SVD, on 12,7 2300 gr., on AK - 340 gr. (titanium).


    Titanium PBBS on AK? Massively? Original. lol

    Once again, FIRST OF ALL, money needs to be spent on improving the QUALITY of AMMUNITION. Moreover, gunpowder and primers have already “pulled themselves up” in quality to the world level. It is necessary to finish the brass sleeve, well, the bullets. We have a problem with bullets ...
  13. -1
    3 March 2022 22: 04
    This is not an article. This is the nonsense of a retired goat drummer. It is disgusting to read this, especially now, when the officers and soldiers of the Russian army are performing their duties in Ukraine.
    Edition VO! You probably already know that you even dispersed the echo of Moscow, which was a bogey of the so-called. "freedom of speech". Dispersed correctly. Incl. and for the dissemination of such materials.
  14. 0
    April 7 2022 11: 07
    Quote: KSVK
    Quote: AVM

    Optics does not affect accuracy in any way. About 20% assumption indicated. But that's not bad either.


    For technical accuracy from the machine, yes, nivapros. But accuracy is issued by the weapon-shooter-ammunition complex. But in the complex, the sight is even very influential.

    Yes posted. But IMHO, with our quality of ammunition, this is not significant.

    IMHO, with AK accuracy, picatinny is redundant. Dovetail is cheaper, more reliable, more convenient. And with a lid a la RPK, you don’t have to bother, and this is also a cost. You can combine, the question is why? What does it give?

    Well, there are no tasks for large-caliber rifles in an infantry unit. For work on manpower, power is excessive, and accuracy is insufficient. And technically, the power is already insufficient. BTR / BRDM / BMP in the frontal projection hold 14,5 * 114. On a moving "shahidmobile" you still need to get into a "kill zone" such as an engine / driver, just like a truck. The same tasks are completely solvable by SVD / microwave. RPGs solve this problem even better.

    This is an exception. Which confirms the rule. A hit from a handgun at a distance of over 800 meters on a growth target is a matter of probability.

    At 1000 meters, you can work with a regular x54 cartridge. The cartridge only has to be of the appropriate quality. It is in the quality of the cartridge that you need to invest FIRST of all, and not in a new body kit for the AK-74. wink

    Teplyak is a necessary thing, maybe even necessary. But while there are no completely our matrices, I'm afraid it's useless to discuss.

    With partitions affect. And how. And besides the STP, the balance is also changing. The sound of a shot of the x39 cartridge, which is seven, which is five, is quite tolerable. Especially in open areas.

    An effective flame arrester, coupled with a high-quality cartridge, will completely solve the problem of muzzle flash. Yes

    Titanium PBBS on AK? Massively? Original. lol

    Once again, FIRST OF ALL, money needs to be spent on improving the QUALITY of AMMUNITION. Moreover, gunpowder and primers have already “pulled themselves up” in quality to the world level. It is necessary to finish the brass sleeve, well, the bullets. We have a problem with bullets ...

    1. Optics does not affect the accuracy of weapons, no doubt. But it affects the range of detection and identification of the enemy, increases the accuracy of single firing (bursts with optics, apparently, only from the machine can be fired).
    2. As for the posted (cantilever) barrel on the AK-12: You are right, in the current realities, given the "quality" of ammunition, this is an unnecessary feature. Need high quality bulk cartridges.
    3. The problem of picatini on Kalashoids is not in price, but in the design of the machine. And so the dovetail is a piece of duralumin, like a picatinny. Swallow-picatinny designs have always amazed with their tomb design. The solution is only the cover of the receiver on the transverse bolt behind the rear sight block and fixing it rigidly in the butt area (something like "Anti-aircraft guns" or AK-12).
    4. The best large-caliber sniper system in the infantry IMHO - "Kord". For technology and other shahid-mobiles - RPG and RPO.
    5. Warmers are needed, like night vision devices, and are needed massively.
    6. As for the PBS-s, I fiercely plus, any mandala hanging on the trunk disgustingly changes the balance, that "silencer", that bipod. Titanium PBS - also neighing, especially if we talk about the mass model.
    7. Ammo and more ammo! the Americans loaded their SCAR Heavy with our 7,62x51 Barnaul cartridges and spat, loaded with remington (also not the ultimate dream, not Lapua) and it shoots like a Kalashmat!
  15. 0
    26 May 2022 17: 53
    I don’t agree with the statistics, except for the column of the Second World War, there the spirits {militants} did not have enough artillery, aviation {even occasionally flying}, therefore in Afghanistan and Chechnya there are more bullet and mine ~ explosive. Here, according to statistics, the Second World War and the Korean War are much closer. Only adjusted for the fact that unmanned aircraft are often used as reconnaissance. This pushes the shooter to the 2nd plan. I think that with the air defense knocked out, it was necessary {to} make a bet on drones, preferably reconnaissance~shock. With a sufficient number of them, there would be no broken columns, and with a large number, it is possible to arrange artillery and aviation terror in full.