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The second fighter Su-30CM joined the flight tests

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At the aerodrome of the Irkutsk Aviation Plant, a branch of Irkut Corporation OJSC (part of UAC), flight tests of Su-30SM multi-role fighters developed by Sukhoi Design Bureau and intended for the Russian Defense Ministry continue.

As already reported, on September 21, the first Su-30CM made its first flight.

According to a joint press release from the Irkut Research and Production Company and the Sukhoi company, on September X, a second fighter joined the flight tests. The flight lasted 25 hour 1 min. and passed without comment. The plane was piloted by test pilots of the Sukhoi Design Bureau:

- crew commander - Sergey Kostin, test pilot of 1 class;

- navigator - Pavel Malovechko, honored test navigator of the Russian Federation.

The Su-30CM multipurpose super-maneuverable fighter is a further development of the Su-30MK family of combat aircraft. Experts of the Sukhoi Design Bureau have adapted the fighter to the requirements of the Russian Air Force in terms of radar systems, radio communications and state identification, ejection seat and a number of support systems. Also made changes to the composition of weapons.

The contract for the supply of 30 multi-purpose Su-30CM fighter aircraft to the Russian Federation Air Force in the period up to 2015 was signed by the Russian Ministry of Defense and Irkut Corporation in March 2012.
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  1. INTER
    INTER 25 September 2012 14: 32
    +8
    We urgently need to re-equip and arm ourselves. Since the world is arming itself. As they say, who had time he ate.
    1. Alexander Romanov
      Alexander Romanov 25 September 2012 14: 37
      +5
      Quote: INTER

      We urgently need to re-equip everything and arm

      It’s necessary, but the problem is that we have concluded contracts with foreigners and for ourselves we are doing a minuscule, and most of it goes over the hill. There will be more deliveries, only with the expansion of production. But will we have time .............. request
      1. INTER
        INTER 25 September 2012 14: 43
        +2
        Quote: Alexander Romanov
        But will we have time ..............

        I think that we will be in time, the main thing is political will! At least set a limit of 50% abroad, and 50 army of the Russian Federation. And at the same time, to increase production capacities, since the USSR had built plenty of military facilities in its time. Equipment is required, and somewhere reorientation of production. In addition, you can increase productivity in existing enterprises.
        1. Igorboss16
          Igorboss16 25 September 2012 14: 47
          +3
          the car is good, but so far they are almost not supplied to our air force
        2. nycsson
          nycsson 25 September 2012 14: 50
          +1
          Quote: INTER
          At least set the limit 50% abroad, and 50 the army of the Russian Federation.

          Quote: INTER
          I think that we will be in time, the main thing is political will!

          This will is not enough! Yes, and aviation was severely cut, airfields, technical staff, etc.
          1. INTER
            INTER 25 September 2012 15: 00
            +2
            Quote: nycsson
            This will is not enough! Yes, and aviation was severely cut, airfields, technical staff, etc.

            And remember the prewar years of the Second World War. It was also. I think that we’ll fix the matter of time, I would like to believe it, although I can’t believe that all this is not in our address (Syria, Iran ........). crying
            1. nycsson
              nycsson 25 September 2012 15: 49
              +1
              Quote: INTER
              although I can’t believe that all this is not in our address (Syria, Iran ........). crying

              Just like ours! One Romney with his sayings is worth it! God forbid him for president! Pret on the break!
              1. Nick
                Nick 25 September 2012 20: 59
                0
                Quote: nycsson
                Pret on the break!

                Maybe you can turn your neck ...
              2. INTER
                INTER 26 September 2012 08: 58
                0
                Quote: nycsson
                Just like ours! One Romney with his sayings is worth it! God forbid him for president! Pret on the break!

                He looks like a doll to me. He only has words. Maybe it even expresses a new course of the US financial elite. BUT ???? And so they say "A dog that barks a lot, does not bite!"
      2. nycsson
        nycsson 25 September 2012 14: 47
        -2
        Quote: Alexander Romanov
        It’s necessary, but the problem is that we have concluded contracts with foreigners and for ourselves we are doing a minuscule, and most of it goes over the hill. There will be more deliveries, only with the expansion of production. But will we have time ..............

        Discard them to hell! Of course, to apologize, as they say, his shirt is closer to the body! hi
      3. aksakal
        aksakal 25 September 2012 14: 55
        +12
        Quote: Alexander Romanov
        It’s necessary, but the problem is that we have concluded contracts with foreigners and for ourselves we are doing a minuscule, and most of it goes over the hill. There will be more deliveries, only with the expansion of production. But will we be in time

        - Stalin liked to do that for alarmist moods ... Do you understand ...
        Who is going to attack Russia? States? They can’t cope with El Fallujah, they simply erase it with the B-52, and in Russia every city will become El _ Fallujah. As many amer’s coffins cannot be overpowered, Russia can easily surpass Vietnam about ten times without this strain on this indicator. And the B-52 will not close its Fallujahs, even despite the small number of SU-30SM. This is only on conventional weapons. And there are still such guys with Chinese names - NW and TNW. So the probability of intervention generally tends to zero on the part of anyone. And the attacks of terrorist gangs - it’s not just that the SU-30 is redundant, they say the same about the SU-25 in the basic configuration. Specialists generally say that it’s the sweetest thing to do against terrorogs - to revive the IL-2, or something like that, piston and screw, only at the modern level - and it will be against the Wahhabis. Specialists and about tanks say that the T-55 is prettier against terrorists, the T-90 MS is very redundant. Yes, and against terrorists, they are Wahhabis, i.e. Sunnis, support Shiite Iran and its ally Syria - and drink yourself champagne. As long as Iran is alive, here these Wahhabis will be on trifles, a maximum of dozens. The special forces will cope.
        So drink valerian, catch your breath, everything is fine. No one is attacking Russia, there is no such idiot -))).
        1. INTER
          INTER 25 September 2012 15: 12
          -1
          Quote: aksakal
          Who is going to attack Russia? States?

          And then look and explode a nuclear bomb in the waters of the Pacific or Atlantic oceans and the war is over request
        2. nycsson
          nycsson 25 September 2012 15: 50
          +1
          Quote: aksakal
          Who is going to attack Russia? States?

          They will achieve their attack!
        3. Lord of the Sith
          Lord of the Sith 25 September 2012 18: 33
          +1
          Ahead of me, he wanted to write the same thing. Also, Stalin liked facts, not balobols to listen to.
        4. Vadivak
          Vadivak 25 September 2012 21: 09
          +3
          Quote: aksakal
          Nobody attacks Russia, there is no such idiot


          There were idiots, they are and they will be, Napoleon, Hitler, Harry Truman \\\\ and the Dropshot plan, and if the idiot of the nuclear weapons and we (for example) have a traitor in the Moscow region, then there will be no retaliation now and drink valerian
          1. Karish
            Karish 25 September 2012 21: 13
            +2
            Quote: Vadivak
            Harry Truman and the Dropshot plan, and if the idiot of a nuclear weapon and we (for example) have a traitor in the Moscow Region, then there will be no retaliation now and drink valerian

            Quote: Vadivak
            Quote: aksakal
            Nobody attacks Russia, there is no such idiot

            Idiots were, are and will be, Napoleon, Hitler, \\

            So, just to use some balance in the comments, Does the Russian Ministry of Defense have plans for a nuclear strike on America? And if the Pentagon is a spy?
            1. DIMS
              DIMS 25 September 2012 21: 18
              +1
              Of course they were. And not one. And now most likely there is. Well, what about the General Staff without a plan for any occasion. This is their direct responsibility.
            2. Vadivak
              Vadivak 25 September 2012 22: 01
              +2
              Quote: Karish
              And if the Pentagon is a spy?



              Yeah, Anna is being called and Chapman is her last name.
          2. DIMS
            DIMS 25 September 2012 21: 16
            0
            Was "Dropshot" accepted for execution?
            1. Vadivak
              Vadivak 25 September 2012 22: 08
              +3
              Quote: DIMS
              Was "Dropshot" accepted for execution?

              The war in Korea interfered, watched how the MiG-15 was given to the B-29 (the main carrier) and realized it wouldn’t work, and they missed the number of divisions
    2. Rustam
      Rustam 25 September 2012 15: 01
      0
      this is something Irkut is working at an accelerated pace as in the old Soviet times, while the delivery of 15 Yak-130 for the Air Force is still on the way
      really happy
      1. VAF
        VAF 25 September 2012 16: 42
        +8
        Quote: Rustam
        15 yak-130 for the air force is still on the way
        really happy


        Rustam, dear, why are you happy ????? recourse Now, if it were the other way around 15 su-30s, and two Yak-130s ... this is understandable, very happy ... and so ???? request
        1. Rustam
          Rustam 25 September 2012 18: 57
          +1
          hello at least something ??? men and a photo of the second SU-30SM have not yet appeared on the net ??? if there is a discard
        2. not good
          not good 25 September 2012 21: 49
          +1
          Yes, the speed of production is not inspirational, 1 plane per month. And how to form units and not get a flown squadron on two machines.
          1. Alex 241
            Alex 241 25 September 2012 21: 54
            +1
            Unfortunately, airplanes are not being assembled on an assembly line; earlier, the country's entire industry worked for this.
  2. sined0707
    sined0707 25 September 2012 14: 39
    +1
    I don’t understand why to test them if they have already been sold a lot.
    Tell me who knows
    1. Ustin
      Ustin 25 September 2012 15: 34
      +7
      I suggest that the car was made taking into account the customer's operating experience. In addition to the "brother-in-law", "harnesses", blind driving curtains, oxygen system, "SOK", a number of other systems have undergone changes, which, as can be seen from the first flights, increase the efficiency of the device. I am not a supporter of demonstrating the capabilities of the machine in real conditions (God forbid), but the plane will show itself more than once. For skeptics and "specialists from the pr-va" Series at the plant is deployed.
      1. FID
        FID 25 September 2012 15: 43
        +8
        Quote: Ustin
        For skeptics and "specialists from the pr-va" Series at the plant is deployed

        You are obviously neither one nor the other. Improvements at the request of the customer are commonplace. During the operation of any aircraft, certain collisions arise that require improvements. But this is not a new plane. For example, Tu-22M2 and Tu-22M3. It seems that one figure has changed, and the planes are completely different. And the series is good. The plant is working, so the workers will not leave, then there will still be people who can build planes!
        1. Ustin
          Ustin 25 September 2012 16: 00
          +7
          Well, about the "specialists" you got excited, but I'm not offended, so do not apologize, it's a matter of everyday life, with "friends" take a look at the modernization of F 15, and other devices at your leisure, so maybe the right decision is modernization for this period And to find fault with everything we do on the Internet, it's cool! When I go to retire I will flood the same site and tell everyone how to build airplanes
          1. FID
            FID 25 September 2012 16: 05
            +6
            Yes, I’m almost retired, but on business trips everything is shaking. I work with large machines. The smallest is the Yak-130. About modernization - read, I wrote about Poseidon. It’s good that your factory is working! I have to go to others .....
      2. VAF
        VAF 25 September 2012 16: 47
        +8
        Quote: Ustin
        Except "brother-in-law", "harness", blind driving curtains, oxygen system, "SOK"


        Yes, the most important changes ...... for whom are you writing ????

        Blind driving blinds ?????? Maybe .. the flight ???? Or in the common people "flight in a closed cockpit"!

        You still would write a replacement for SHS on SHS series 3 wassat !!!

        not to tell people. that this aircraft is currently the only type that can already use Onyx RCC !!!

        And that’s all .. that’s enough, but it’s straightforward ..... some kind of kindergarten ..... one JSC was listed and that's it .....
        1. Botanologist
          Botanologist 25 September 2012 21: 12
          +1
          But the question for you as a specialist is that Su-34 cannot use anti-ship missiles? EMNIP, in the prospectuses there are a lot of what is available and promising ... Yes, and on the forums they often refer to the capabilities of Su-34 to work on naval targets.
          It can be seen that infa requires filtering request
          1. VAF
            VAF 25 September 2012 21: 54
            +2
            Quote: Botanologist
            Su-34 can not use anti-ship missiles?


            34th can ... and .X-31A (HELL) and X-59 (U) ...

            1. Windbreak
              Windbreak 25 September 2012 22: 17
              0
              X-35 (U) can? And the X-59 anti-ship X-59MK called
              1. VAF
                VAF 25 September 2012 23: 24
                0
                Quote: Burel
                And the X-59 anti-ship X-59MK is called


                What are you saying ??? So then ask a question about the entire range of weapons on the Su-34, which would be understandable. what do you mean!

                And for you, the X-35, U, UE missiles is news ???
                1. Windbreak
                  Windbreak 26 September 2012 09: 59
                  0
                  You wrote X-59 (U) earlier
          2. Vadivak
            Vadivak 25 September 2012 22: 11
            +2
            Quote: Botanologist
            Botanologist


            I respect such nicknames.
            1. Botanologist
              Botanologist 25 September 2012 22: 17
              +2
              Thank you.
              I am a nerd by profession. True, it was a long time ago.
              1. Vadivak
                Vadivak 25 September 2012 22: 23
                +2
                Quote: Botanologist
                I am a nerd by profession.


                A rarity, well, probably not working on a profile?
                1. Botanologist
                  Botanologist 25 September 2012 23: 02
                  +1
                  It also happens in profile - he participated in the development of new laws in the field of ecology, study guides and collections. Did a little red book.
                  Recently, I have been working more and more in the field of crisis situations (mediator in resolving conflicts), as well as political technology.
        2. saturn.mmm
          saturn.mmm 25 September 2012 22: 57
          0
          Quote: vaf
          Yes, the most important changes ...... for whom are you writing ????

          This is the second plane of the two promised in 2012, I agree with you it is extremely small, but I have positive emotions due to the fact that in this case the words do not differ from the deed, by the way there is time to make another third plane before the end of the year, and this there will be the latest history of Russia.
          1. VAF
            VAF 26 September 2012 00: 21
            -1
            Quote: saturn.mmm
            By the way, there is time to make another third aircraft before the end of the year, and this will be the latest history of Russia.


            It remains only to get up and soldier

            "When from the guard, others from the court
            They came here for a while:
            Women were shouting: hurray!
            And they threw their caps into the air! "

            A. S. Griboedov, “Woe from Wit,” I highly recommend .... it helps a lot ... and sobering! wink

            1. saturn.mmm
              saturn.mmm 26 September 2012 17: 48
              0
              Quote: vaf
              A. S. Griboedov, “Woe from Wit,” I highly recommend .... it helps a lot ... and sobering!

              Thanks for the recommendation, but I have already read A.S. Griboyedov's "Woe from Wit".
              Your comment turned out to be overly saturated in my opinion.
              The contract was signed in 2012, with the release of two (this is of course extremely few) cars in 2012, two cars are already undergoing flight tests, which is somewhat surprising amid the fact that several years in a row failed the state military order.
    2. askort154
      askort154 25 September 2012 15: 35
      0
      Each aircraft, leaving the manufacturer or repair plant, undergoes a test flight program (flyby). There is a whole
      a number of test flights: factory, certification, operational and others (until the end of the life of this aircraft).
      1. VAF
        VAF 25 September 2012 16: 58
        +2
        Quote: askort154
        certification


        Is it nothing that the su-30 is a war machine?

        Quote: askort154
        (until the end of the life of this aircraft).


        ?????? request
        1. askort154
          askort154 25 September 2012 17: 31
          +2
          VAF
          The man asked why to test flying aircraft, I briefly answered, not referring to the specific type.
          And until the end of the resource - also generalized (after repairs, replacement of engines,
          replacement or modernization of units, etc., until the aircraft glider develops a resource or a resource for landing, reloading, etc.) are carried out
          software tests, overflights. Something like that.
          1. VAF
            VAF 25 September 2012 19: 18
            +2
            Quote: askort154
            after repairs


            Yes! +!

            Quote: askort154
            engine replacement
            replacement or modernization of units, etc.,


            No! That's what flight is called - flyby after replacing the engine!

            Quote: askort154
            until the aircraft glider develops a resource or a resource for landings, overloads


            Then strength bulletins are issued and again .. only control flyby under program No. 1!

            Quote: askort154
            software tests, overflights.


            These are different things!

            Quote: askort154
            Something like that.


            That's something like wink drinks +!
    3. Alex 241
      Alex 241 25 September 2012 15: 44
      +2
      Factory revision after refinement called tests.
      1. Ustin
        Ustin 25 September 2012 16: 07
        +1
        Preliminary tests, now they call it that and they called it 60 years ago, then there are acceptance tests (PSI), Periodika, etc. In this case, the plant, although it could, didn’t lift the car, it is working on OKB according to its program.
        1. VAF
          VAF 25 September 2012 17: 07
          +3
          Quote: Ustin
          Preliminary tests, now they call it that and 60 years ago they also called it


          They never called that! But only a test flight after ...... and further on in the text! Go to the LIS and take an interest!
          You have a production car without changes in design, engines, fuel system, etc.!
  3. Sasha 19871987
    Sasha 19871987 25 September 2012 14: 46
    +1
    Yes, the engines are already good, the fierce stagnation of the 90s passed ....
  4. Su24
    Su24 25 September 2012 14: 51
    +3
    So, I will ask my question again: what are the differences between the Su-30M2 and the Su-30SM? People who only know that the "avionics composition" please do not worry.
    1. saturn.mmm
      saturn.mmm 25 September 2012 22: 36
      -1
      Quote: Su24
      So, I will ask my question again: what are the differences between the Su-30M2 and Su-30SM?

      The fact that the Su-30SM PGO is on the Su-30M2,
  5. FID
    FID 25 September 2012 14: 56
    +3
    They changed the "friend or foe" system, installed a new catapult, a new radio communication - and this is a new plane? I am ashamed of Poghosyan.
    1. leon-iv
      leon-iv 25 September 2012 15: 01
      +1
      Pogo Business has nothing personal. Omerikanechega do the same.
      But did the Su-30SM get worse?
      1. FID
        FID 25 September 2012 15: 04
        +4
        I did not, but where does the further development? Development of what?
        1. Alex 241
          Alex 241 25 September 2012 15: 08
          0
          Another marketing move, another modification of the Su 27. But there is reason to report, we made a new plane.
          1. Ustin
            Ustin 25 September 2012 15: 43
            +9
            They don’t report Unas at the enterprise, they make planes, according to Su 30 CM everything is not so simple, but alas, it is difficult for you to imagine. So flood further.
            1. Alex 241
              Alex 241 25 September 2012 17: 14
              +2
              Why I can’t imagine, I can imagine very well. You are honored and respected, sorry if I offended you.
          2. VAF
            VAF 25 September 2012 17: 11
            +4
            Quote: Alex 241
            Another marketing move, another modification of Su 27


            Sasha, YOU ARE WRONG HERE! I tell you this as an IBA specialist ... if there was no Taburetkin yet, but there was a "truncated" Irbis ... there would be no prices for airplanes, but for the sea ... so generally ... there are no words !!!
            1. Alex 241
              Alex 241 25 September 2012 17: 21
              +3
              Yes, Serezha agrees, he’s just hooked for a living, that’s offended a person. You know, I’ve got into a rage ...
              1. VAF
                VAF 25 September 2012 19: 27
                +3
                Quote: Alex 241
                .You know, got into a rage ..


                Himself such, + I can’t stand the same thing when things are called not by their proper names!

                Yes, you were interested in Amderma-2, i.e. Rogachevo ... almost oil painting crying

                641 giap left for Kilpy 10 years ago. can you imagine. what is there ... left, but housing is ... on piles ?!

                Here is another question ... where the materiel will be taken. who ... will be "undressed"?

                Where about 5 months ago, when there was another "quarrel" with approvals. I was proving. that we have such holes. that .... not that you can't get around. and not ... you will drive, and that the planned 100 MiG-31 by ... the eleventh year ... this is a minuscule, a drop in the ocean ... the whole North is naked. The South is the same ... only the Far East is more or less at the expense of Kipelovtsev. Yes from the former Sokolovka (now at the Central Corner) and that's all ..... well, if you take into account Savastleika and Kansk (such a miseo of living B-ek).
                But Khotilovo..it is under the kings ..... their nizya!

                And hello .. have arrived .. the remains of Monchegorsk on .. "paw" to share?
                1. Alan
                  Alan 25 September 2012 20: 45
                  +1
                  Quote: vaf
                  the whole North is naked.
                  I live in Mansi .. all the plates from the take-off were taken out by me not a flyer, but my heart was bleeding to look at it .. what was it for those who served here ...
                2. Alex 241
                  Alex 241 25 September 2012 21: 43
                  +1
                  Yelizovo should not be touched either.
                  1. Alex 241
                    Alex 241 25 September 2012 21: 47
                    +2
                    And in the end we have sewn, but you’re kumish ...
                  2. VAF
                    VAF 25 September 2012 22: 18
                    +1
                    Quote: Alex 241
                    Yelizovo should not be touched either.


                    Sanya. I meant Elizovo. here ... the pedal jumped off (in the head fool , mosquitoes ... with ... ki guzzled)! +! drinks
        2. Gemar
          Gemar 25 September 2012 16: 24
          0
          Quote: SSI
          Development of what

          Not for me, of course, to argue with you, but what about the "new" radar "Bars"? At the previous Sushki, it seems, "Irbis" is standing. The Indians somehow stated (they tried to find an article on the Internet, but did not find it, so if this does not contradict the principles, take my word for it) that the Americans refused to use the F-18 Growler (an electronic warfare aircraft) for a long time in joint exercises, for fear, that the Su-30MKI will effectively counteract it precisely because of the new radar.
          Can it be that even Barsik and the presence of GLONASS navigation cannot be considered a significant improvement? It seems that the Su-30SM did not claim to be recognized as a radically new aircraft.
          Quote: leon-iv
          Omerikanechega do the same
          I agree! +++
          Look, did the Americans take the F-15E? carried vertical plumage from the longitudinal axis, painted with radar absorbing paint and called it F-15SE (Silent Eagle). It is now offered to Korea at a higher price than the F-15E.
          I would like to hear the authoritative opinion of a specialist, that is yours, SSI.
          Thank you in advance!
          1. FID
            FID 25 September 2012 16: 47
            +6
            Quote: Gamar
            I would like to hear the authoritative opinion of a specialist, that is yours, SSI.
            Thank you in advance!

            Yes, I already wrote, the refinement of aircraft based on the results of operation is a common thing. The avionics (on-board radio-electronic equipment) is changing, the interior of the cabin (ergonomics) is changing, the suspension components of the weapons are changing, but there are many examples. But this is not a NEW plane! In the USSR, Tupolev created the Tu-22 (Shilo), then the Tu-22M2 - a completely NEW plane, then the Tu-22M3 - also a New plane, although only the indices changed! Modified, improved, but you can call it anything. But in general, all this is nonsense! At least some plant works and builds planes! And it pleases!
          2. VAF
            VAF 25 September 2012 17: 14
            +3
            Quote: Gamar
            At the previous Sushki, it seems, "Irbis" is standing.


            Gamer, who told you that ?????? Irbis, complete only on the Su-35S, and the rest ..... the old Sword, Bars is already ancient, like my life. but not bad ......!
            1. Gemar
              Gemar 25 September 2012 18: 00
              +1
              I do not understand, but what is the Su-30MKI? Leopard? Is it just now that they began to put on our Sushki-30?
              Quote: vaf
              Irbis, complete only on the Su-35S

              The mood below the baseboard.
              1. VAF
                VAF 25 September 2012 19: 29
                +1
                Quote: Gamar
                Is it just now that they began to put on our Sushki-30?


                +! crying

                Now .. down ..... the enemy ..... "overhears"! lol General Secrets ... Damn! wassat
    2. Alex 241
      Alex 241 25 September 2012 15: 10
      +2
      About Poghosyan, I want to say that this is just a manager like Chubais, who created a powerful lobby for pushing his cars and crushing other design bureaus.
      1. FID
        FID 25 September 2012 15: 13
        +3
        Greetings, Alexander! Yes, in general, I don’t know his cars! Although they say that he was a designer. It's just that the Soviet developments, which are not demolished, are modernizing and modernizing, and neatly so as not to harm!
        1. Alex 241
          Alex 241 25 September 2012 15: 21
          +1
          I am not against these modifications, even with two hands. But somehow strange it turns out, we see the Su 27 in front of us, but it is already SU 30 with a bunch of cracking names, it will soon reach the point of putting a stub and calling this aircraft Su40z. stormy activity, as it happened chaotically, but I hope you caught my thoughts. And excuse me, Sergey did not say hello: good day.
          1. Alex 241
            Alex 241 25 September 2012 15: 26
            +1
            Moreover, I would like to say about flight tests, if it was a really new plane they were carried out in the LII, and so this is a factory flight after revision.
          2. FID
            FID 25 September 2012 15: 26
            +2
            That is how it is! New developments are just slogans: create! we will design! we will transport! rearm! Current managers need to demonstrate vigorous activity, while receiving decent salaries, but without creating and not producing ANYTHING. After all, if you do something, it may turn out to be bad, and you will be scolded for it. And so ...
            1. leon-iv
              leon-iv 25 September 2012 15: 46
              +5
              Guys that you are attached to the indices.
              Who in the know that in the know. And to the broad masses of people that H001 that Irbis monographically. They absolutely do not care. But beautiful pictures are important for them. You can place them on your desktop and they will be seen by their child or schoolchild will change their choice in the profession. Advocacy is just as important as combat characteristics.
              1. Alex 241
                Alex 241 25 September 2012 15: 48
                +2
                God forbid, if the SU will show off on the desktop and not Merc or Bentley. Personally, I have a MiG-31 wink
                1. leon-iv
                  leon-iv 25 September 2012 16: 08
                  +2
                  I have a t-50 and at home mi-28
                  1. Alex 241
                    Alex 241 25 September 2012 16: 11
                    +2
                    Big +++ you buddy, then not all is lost wink
                2. Vadivak
                  Vadivak 25 September 2012 22: 28
                  +3
                  Quote: Alex 241
                  Personally, I have a MiG-31


                  Lucky, but the daughter of the sleeping fat cat got me, even though I'm not very fat IMHO
                  1. VAF
                    VAF 25 September 2012 23: 29
                    +4
                    Quote: Vadivak
                    and the daughter of a sleeping fat cat has set me, even though I'm not very fat


                    Vadim, and you put this ..... and tell your daughter ..... crushed by greed, not overpowered poor little cat, +! wink

              2. FID
                FID 25 September 2012 15: 56
                +3
                ++ Indexes are nothing, photographs are everything!
              3. VAF
                VAF 25 September 2012 17: 16
                -1
                Quote: leon-iv
                And to the general public that H001 that Irbis monographically


                here only +! I forgot about Urya, but everything is in the subject! wink
          3. Karish
            Karish 25 September 2012 21: 23
            +3
            Quote: Alex 241
            t until they put a stub and call this aircraft Su40z.

            Rides a new Russian in 600 Meren. suddenly he sees the same 600 in front of him, but with the Russian letter Ts. He is inexplicable where such a bells and whistle is chasing him, stops. and says
            Bro. say like the Mercier are the same, like the most sophisticated. but why do you have the letter C? He shows him the headrest - Do you see the Depression? That - well, I see.
            So this is for CHAIN laughing
            1. Alex 241
              Alex 241 25 September 2012 21: 27
              +2
              I unsubscribed on the events in Latvia, take a look good
    3. askort154
      askort154 25 September 2012 15: 45
      0
      In aviation, there was always a new letter designation carried the status of a new
      type with mandatory retraining of flight and technical personnel, and for
      KB offset.
    4. aksakal
      aksakal 25 September 2012 16: 26
      +2
      Quote: SSI
      I am ashamed of Poghosyan

      - And where does Poghosyan? There Irkut is a fierce competitor to Sukhoi. Sukhoi is SU-35S, and Irkut is SU-30 for all these eastern countries. Planes are completely different, you don’t look at the glider, everything inside is different, right down to the filisofia.
      Sukhoi even has civilian aircraft - the Sukhoi Superjet. Irkut has its own program, MS-21.
      I don’t know the subtleties, maybe they are in the same company as part of the UAC holding, well, even being in the same holding, they are not friends and drown each other. So what does Poghosyan have to do with it?
      1. FID
        FID 25 September 2012 16: 30
        +2
        MS-21 - can be more detailed, I do not know what happened to him? I understand that when Fedorov commanded Irkut, and now the chairman of the board of directors of OAO Irkut, someone M. Pogosyan Namesake, it seems.
        1. aksakal
          aksakal 25 September 2012 19: 03
          +1
          Quote: SSI
          and now the chairman of the board of directors of OAO Irkut is someone M. Poghosyan
          - Well, I'm sorry, not in the know. Something they fly from chair to chair - you can’t follow.
          As far as I knew, Poghosyan is always Sukhoi, and Fedorov is Irkut, and they competed, creating two completely different types of aircraft on the same base.
          Maybe someone will enlighten in detail on personnel rotation in our valiant military aircraft industry? And then - oops - to those of you, was Fedorov, became Poghosyan.
          1. FID
            FID 26 September 2012 10: 18
            +1
            But there is no military aircraft industry! There are UAC, with all that it implies. Mikhail Aslanovich steers with all the money, and since the super project still incurs only losses .. Decide for yourself.
  6. Alex 241
    Alex 241 25 September 2012 15: 34
    +1
    Seryozha, what kind of new seats do you know?
    1. FID
      FID 25 September 2012 15: 48
      +4
      Do not know. I’ve been doing more civil work lately. The military does not pull. They only gave me a passport in 2010. While I’ll rest, though, the Yak-130 already has to deal with it, though I don’t go to military unit, well, them. I’m afraid that soon I will have swans again ... I won’t be sad!
      1. Alex 241
        Alex 241 25 September 2012 15: 51
        +2
        Just at one time in the LII there was no flying laboratory for armchairs, they tested it on the ground. Well, and so greetings from Vnukovo-3!
        1. FID
          FID 25 September 2012 15: 57
          +1
          Vnukovo-3? SLO is like Vnukovo-2, but where is the treshka?
          1. Alex 241
            Alex 241 25 September 2012 16: 00
            +1
            ABT in Borovka, there are signs.
            1. FID
              FID 25 September 2012 16: 06
              +3
              Former factory 400?
    2. VAF
      VAF 25 September 2012 20: 07
      +3
      Quote: Alex 241
      and what kind of new seats, not in the know?


      K-36D 3,5, +! soldier
      1. Alex 241
        Alex 241 25 September 2012 21: 18
        +2
        Thanks Seryozha.
  7. ShturmKGB
    ShturmKGB 25 September 2012 15: 37
    0
    30 pieces to 2015 is not enough ... I already thought once every three days the plane) ...
    1. nycsson
      nycsson 25 September 2012 15: 51
      -1
      ShturmKGB
      30 pieces to 2015 is not enough ... I already thought once every three days the plane) ...

      But for export for 7 years 290 pieces + 400 helicopters! request
  8. patsantre
    patsantre 25 September 2012 15: 49
    -1
    Situevina does not develop very well. Not only is the pace of procurement sad, so we are also late by 5 years.
    The Su-30SM plane is without a doubt very good. But what happens? We are arming ourselves with a modernized 4th generation, while amers are purchased by the 5th generation (F35 is produced, although it has not been adopted yet). Now we need to produce PAK FA, well, well, it has not yet been created, then at least the Su-35. And after 2015 in general - only the T-50 for itself. To produce airplanes, which in 15 years will become the last century, is not very promising, and modernization will not help much here.
    1. Feanor
      Feanor 25 September 2012 17: 38
      +1
      patsantre,
      Well, unfortunately, we don’t have the 5th generation until 2015, and we needed aircraft for the army yesterday, so there’s no choice, so long as the 4th generation is better.
  9. lesnik.
    lesnik. 25 September 2012 15: 51
    +1
    The second fighter Su-30CM joined the flight tests

    And where does the SU-35 in the photo?
    1. VAF
      VAF 25 September 2012 17: 24
      0
      Quote: lesnik.
      And where does the SU-35 in the photo?


      And even more so BM from the very first experimental batch. who are already years old ....... +! recourse
      1. lesnik.
        lesnik. 25 September 2012 18: 27
        +2
        Your truth yes
        1. VAF
          VAF 25 September 2012 19: 32
          +2
          Quote: lesnik.
          Your truth


          Well it would be stupid ..... wink +!

          Two "famous" remaining Su-35BMs ... I can tell ... the fate of 2 more, No. 903 and 904 (there were 4 of them in the series)!
          1. lesnik.
            lesnik. 25 September 2012 22: 55
            +2
            Thank. I don’t know anything about No. 903, and the board 904 at the Dzemgi airfield crashed, year 8 or 9.
  10. crambol
    crambol 25 September 2012 15: 58
    +2
    How, already the second? And what will we do with them?
  11. pepelacxp
    pepelacxp 25 September 2012 17: 26
    +1
    crambol,
    show at exhibitions
  12. Feanor
    Feanor 25 September 2012 17: 35
    +1
    Finally, our factory in Irkutsk began to make airplanes for our Air Force, otherwise all the Indians were assembled mainly.
  13. shoroh
    shoroh 25 September 2012 18: 01
    0
    hundreds of them must be done, and not one exhibition copy. but expensive cars at the price of half an airplane are bought by the powers that be ...
  14. f4b2
    f4b2 25 September 2012 18: 40
    +1
    I could be wrong, but the SU-30SM is a two-seater.
    The photo is clearly not SU-30SM
  15. segamegament
    segamegament 25 September 2012 18: 43
    +1
    And in a nutshell, what is the difference between the Su-27 and Su-30SM?
    1. VAF
      VAF 25 September 2012 19: 33
      +6
      Quote: segamegament
      And in a nutshell, what is the difference between the Su-27 and Su-30SM?


      Well, if in TWO then: Air and Earth (water)! +! soldier
  16. aksakal
    aksakal 25 September 2012 20: 59
    +1
    Quote: segamegament
    And in a nutshell, what is the difference between the Su-27 and Su-30SM?
    - In a nutshell - use Google. Here are two words.
    SU-27 - if you mean the base plane, its TTX is available on the Internet. For example, I just don’t remember its characteristics, but in my opinion, if I’m not mistaken, the engine thrust does not exceed 9,5 tons, the bomb load is a little more than 4000 kg.
    The SU-30 family was born in India. There, it seems that the ubiquitous Israelis were noted in the modernization of the SU-27, which influenced the terms of reference of the Indians for Irkut. The changes affected almost all aircraft systems - avionics. Avionics and other, and even a glider - note - instead of root nodules on the wing, the SU-30 has such small wings, I don't remember what they are called. The thrust increased to 12 kN, the bomb load - up to 500 kg. The latest modifications of the SU-6000 family, including the SU-30SM, already carry 30 kg and can carry the Bramos anti-ship missiles (the Russian version of this anti-ship missile is Onyx).
    SU-35S - a further continuation of the SU-27 line in the "Sukhov" interpretation. The thrust of the engines for the SU-35S is 14 kN, the bomb load is 500 kg. All aircraft systems were also modernized.
    According to experts, the differences between the SU-30 and SU-35S families are so significant that it is hardly logical to call one of them the abbreviation “SU”.
    And both of these aircraft are significantly different from the base SU-27 and engines with much greater thrust, all avionics systems, avionics, wearable bomb load, etc. These are simply much more advanced aircraft.
    1. VAF
      VAF 25 September 2012 22: 04
      +2
      Quote: aksakal
      The SU-30 family was born in India.


      Throw that Google where you found it in a garbage can! There is the place for him!

      That prompted the creation of the Su-30 and the Indians. But at the air show, their commander then did not want the Su-27, because. he did not work on land, and especially on ships.
      And then Barkovsky and the brigade gave birth to the Su-30, and A. Kvochur raised it!

      And it is not correct to compare the Su-30 and Su-35 are fundamentally different machines for their intended purpose! soldier
      1. aksakal
        aksakal 25 September 2012 22: 18
        +2
        Quote: vaf
        Throw that Google where you found it in a garbage can! There is the place for him!
        - Google will reflect your words, here are here. Why then in the trash? -))))

        Quote: vaf
        That prompted the creation of the Su-30 and the Indians. But at the air show, their commander then did not want the Su-27, because. he didn’t work on the ground, and especially on ships. Then A Barkovsky and the brigade gave birth to the Su-30, and A. Kvochur raised it!
        - I remember that there were no Israelis. Thank. I just read the version of the birth of the SU-30 family in such an interpretation. No way Pimpled or Professor outlined under a different nickname, I read -)))).




        Quote: vaf
        And it is not correct to compare the Su-30 and Su-35 are fundamentally different machines for their intended purpose
        - actually wrote about it,
        Quote: vaf
        the differences between the SU-30 and SU-35S families are so significant that it is hardly logical to call one of them the abbreviation "SU"
        - with which I am pleased that here.
        Only two questions. Both the SU-30 and SU-35 are multifunctional systems designed both to gain air supremacy and to intercept, as well as to perform work on the ground, i.e. bombing and even to some extent assault missions. Why not compare them then? Well, or if not difficult, then more about the differences in purpose - I will be grateful.
        And by the way, what are those wings of the SU-30 called?
        1. VAF
          VAF 25 September 2012 23: 42
          +2
          Quote: aksakal
          And by the way, what are those wings of the SU-30 called?


          PGO, +!

          Quote: aksakal
          Both SU-30 and SU-35 are multifunctional complexes


          Here, only one is tailored to the surface-air principle, and the second is air-surface!

          And one already flies in full, and many can do everything, but the Su-35S is (or is still in testing) for now! So by and large ... it's too early to compare!


          Quote: aksakal
          Well, or if not difficult, then more about the differences in purpose - I will be grateful.


          Respectfully and with great pleasure, but ... in the light of extreme events ... LOW !!! And then suddenly I’ll give something secretive, huh?

          And in old age, to the joyful exclamations of idiots ... along the tundra along a wide road?



          No dear, thank you ... I’m better off to the side, I’ll see how fast it is now .. I’ll scribble ... after all, what kind of carte blanche was given to them, huh?

          A little something immediately enemy shpien, yeah. it was he who made Taburetkin admit that the Mace is still .... not the Mace, well, and all in the same vein! bully
          1. aksakal
            aksakal 26 September 2012 00: 31
            +1
            Quote: vaf
            And in old age, to the joyful exclamations of idiots ... along the tundra along a wide road?
            - Thank you, for me, as an amateur, more than ...
            And by the way, the landscape is very beautiful, in vain you are so scared -)))). You can live for some time, but lovers will remember and thank -)))
      2. Vadivak
        Vadivak 25 September 2012 22: 20
        +3
        Quote: vaf
        Throw that Google where you found it in a garbage can!


        I see you are fluttering, got the minuses
        1. Alex 241
          Alex 241 25 September 2012 22: 28
          +1
          He doesn’t bother, he’s just a caring person, and a practitioner ... and not a theorist.
          1. Vadivak
            Vadivak 25 September 2012 22: 32
            +4
            Quote: Alex 241
            just a caring person, and a practitioner

            Yes, I know how the warning starts to fly with a saber, and warnings flew, and without it (as I say it is an egoist) it’s boring or rather not interesting — Kars saves me but the tanker is closer to me, but I didn’t get into the pilots, they cut off the commissions
            1. Alex 241
              Alex 241 25 September 2012 22: 43
              +3
              Well, now it’s a matter of desire, though it’s worth the money.
              1. Vadivak
                Vadivak 26 September 2012 08: 26
                +1
                Quote: Alex 241
                it is a matter of desire, the truth is money.

                In those days, the distant now almost \ epic .... money did not play a role
        2. VAF
          VAF 25 September 2012 23: 53
          +2
          Quote: Vadivak
          I see you are fluttering, got the minuses


          Vadim is Vinka with "companions" taking revenge wassat Today I dipped him headlong into ... well, yes, into this very article about the POVshniks' streams in the North, and Andrey from the South Urals ... well ... so like a man ... specifically .. a face about the table !!!! angry

          That freaks out .. a fool!

          Well, the cons, well, well .. it's normal .. shows the level of education in a particular issue!

          But now I will deprive them of this pleasure, although I will not play the same in "urya2, but I will not breathe more calmly, otherwise the poor" complained "to the Tsar with petitions running around.

  17. tambu
    tambu 25 September 2012 23: 16
    +2
    The car is certainly good, but it's time to do something completely new ...
  18. Gemar
    Gemar 27 September 2012 16: 57
    0
    I just noticed ...
    I look at the photo of the article, and I can’t understand .... Why are they shown 2 single Dryers? Su-30 like a double (in any configuration)?
    Tell me, please, someone. Thank you in advance!