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The Ministry of Defense announced the blocking of Kiev from the western direction

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The Russian armed forces blockaded Kiev from the western direction, the main forces of the Airborne Forces connected with the advanced group in the Gostomel area. This is reported by the Ministry of Defense.


According to the report, the main forces of the airborne troops united with units of "yesterday's" landing in the Gostomel region, thereby blocking the capital of Ukraine from the western direction. As explained in the military department, on Thursday, an assault force was landed in the area of ​​​​the Gostomel airfield, which held the bridgehead until the arrival of the main forces.

About 200 Russian helicopters were involved in the operation, the air defense system of Ukraine was suppressed, electronic warfare systems were operating in the area of ​​combat operations

- said in a statement.

It is noted that during the capture of the airfield, a unit of nationalists from the special forces of Ukraine was destroyed. There were no casualties among the Russian servicemen during the operation. The Ministry of Defense also confirms the encirclement and blocking of the city of Chernihiv. According to the report, the armed forces have completed the blockade of the city, and measures are being taken to prevent casualties among the civilian population. Details of the operation are not given. The head of the Chernihiv Regional State Administration says that the columns of Russian armored vehicles have advanced to Kiev - to the northeast direction.

Meanwhile, the Armed Forces of Ukraine began to place installations of the Grad MLRS right among the residential areas of Kiev, the installations are aimed at Gostomel. As stated in the Russian military department, the Ukrainian military decided to hide behind the civilian population as a human shield. In addition, in Kiev they freely distribute weapon. Footage of the distribution of weapons appeared on the Web, machine guns are simply unloaded from trucks and distributed to everyone, without even asking for passports. In this regard, even Yulia Tymoshenko expressed concern, saying that it is dangerous to issue weapons even without documents, since it is not clear who these people are - "perhaps they will go looting when many apartments and houses in Kiev are empty."
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  1. woffka
    woffka 25 February 2022 16: 07
    +29
    Push to the end!!!!!
    1. Anachoret
      Anachoret 25 February 2022 16: 13
      +38
      Right now, the streets of Kiev are empty, only drunks with machine guns and the military are still Ukrainian)
      Surely looting will begin in the evening, since in reality weapons are distributed to everyone
      Or during the operation of the Russian military to clean up Kiev from scumbags, everything will look like Redneck Rampage
      1. Trapp1st
        Trapp1st 25 February 2022 16: 42
        +8
        they actually hand out weapons to everyone
        A bloody harvest of these weapons has already begun in Kiev, there are casualties among the civilians ... How are they going to distinguish their own from their opponents?
        1. VSO-396
          VSO-396 25 February 2022 16: 56
          -47
          Quote: Trapp1st
          they actually hand out weapons to everyone
          A bloody harvest of these weapons has already begun in Kiev, there are casualties among the civilians ... How are they going to distinguish their own from their opponents?

          How? In the pictures, the prisoners and the dead grew up. military personnel wear red shin bandages. There must be some identification.
          1. Trapp1st
            Trapp1st 25 February 2022 17: 01
            +10
            In the pictures, the prisoners and the dead grew up. military personnel wear red shin bandages.
            Those. The DRG puts on a tracksuit and becomes a ter. defense? Hold the witch!!!
            1. karish
              karish 26 February 2022 13: 35
              -3
              Quote: Trapp1st
              In the pictures, the prisoners and the dead grew up. military personnel wear red shin bandages.
              Those. The DRG puts on a tracksuit and becomes a ter. defense? Hold the witch!!!

              Of course, they dress up as locals.
              Normal practice of RDG.
          2. avg avg
            avg avg 25 February 2022 17: 48
            +11
            I forgot about two more signs: Russian paratroopers in rubber boots and unshaven!
          3. gurzuf
            gurzuf 25 February 2022 17: 59
            +5
            The most offensive thing about this will be that when everything is over, people like you will run away with statements about joining a united Russia.
        2. Piramidon
          Piramidon 25 February 2022 17: 26
          +19
          Quote: Trapp1st
          How are they going to distinguish theirs from their enemies?

          No one on a global scale will distinguish, but now a neighbor who made a remark to you because you ate gorilka and urinated in a children's sandbox, or a saleswoman who looked askance at your drunken face, can now be soaked very simply. And then blame everything on the "Russian occupiers" and give interviews on Ukrainian TV channels
        3. faiver
          faiver 25 February 2022 17: 30
          0
          there are our victims ... sad
      2. Pandiurin
        Pandiurin 25 February 2022 16: 48
        +9
        Quote: Anchorite
        Right now, the streets of Kiev are empty, only drunks with machine guns and the military are still Ukrainian)
        Surely looting will begin in the evening, since in reality weapons are distributed to everyone
        Or during the operation of the Russian military to clean up Kiev from scumbags, everything will look like Redneck Rampage


        If a civilian is given a machine gun, cartridges, grenades, vodka, the absence of an evil sergeant.
        Wonder why they wait for dark?
        Surely the robbery had already begun, only without shooting at gunpoint. In the evening there will already be looting, banditry and lawlessness.
        1. Roma 1977
          Roma 1977 25 February 2022 17: 47
          +10
          Marinate for a couple of days without going in. Then the Kyyans themselves will call: "Putin, bring in the troops!"
        2. VSO-396
          VSO-396 25 February 2022 18: 10
          -34
          Quote: Pandiurin
          Quote: Anchorite
          Right now, the streets of Kiev are empty, only drunks with machine guns and the military are still Ukrainian)
          Surely looting will begin in the evening, since in reality weapons are distributed to everyone
          Or during the operation of the Russian military to clean up Kiev from scumbags, everything will look like Redneck Rampage


          If a civilian is given a machine gun, cartridges, grenades, vodka, the absence of an evil sergeant.
          Wonder why they wait for dark?
          Surely the robbery had already begun, only without shooting at gunpoint. In the evening there will already be looting, banditry and lawlessness.

          Online cameras in Kiev work. You can see the silence and order. Don't confuse Kiev with Chita.
          1. Pandiurin
            Pandiurin 25 February 2022 18: 30
            +5
            Quote: VSO-396
            Quote: Pandiurin
            Quote: Anchorite
            Right now, the streets of Kiev are empty, only drunks with machine guns and the military are still Ukrainian)
            Surely looting will begin in the evening, since in reality weapons are distributed to everyone
            Or during the operation of the Russian military to clean up Kiev from scumbags, everything will look like Redneck Rampage


            If a civilian is given a machine gun, cartridges, grenades, vodka, the absence of an evil sergeant.
            Wonder why they wait for dark?
            Surely the robbery had already begun, only without shooting at gunpoint. In the evening there will already be looting, banditry and lawlessness.

            Online cameras in Kiev work. You can see the silence and order. Don't confuse Kiev with Chita.


            Yes of course )

            Any metropolis has a center where, as you say, there are cameras and it is well guarded, illuminated, monitored and there are secondary streets, sleeping areas, etc.
            Taking into account the fact that mostly wealthy people left Kiev, there are a lot of apartments in which there is something to take left without owners.

            All security forces will be concentrated on the main highways, single police officers will not appear in remote areas, only in a crowd, and such a patrol can be seen from afar.

            Now a gangster shootout will attract attention, after a few minutes the security forces will arrive and begin to sort it out.

            When they start making noise in queues in all parts of the city, no one will / will not be able to respond.

            Especially after a couple of patrols are shot and frostbitten, for example, for cartridges and a short barrel. Everyone has machine guns, but they didn’t hand out a short barrel, you can only pick it up as a trophy.

            Civility from Kiev will merge quickly.
          2. MMX
            MMX 25 February 2022 18: 40
            +17
            Don't confuse Kiev with Chita.


            Yes, how are you confused. Chita is much calmer.
          3. Paranoid50
            Paranoid50 25 February 2022 22: 51
            +4
            Quote: VSO-396
            silence and order.

            ,
            And now he's run away.
          4. Suhow
            Suhow 26 February 2022 13: 25
            -1
            I confirm in Kyiv calmly.
          5. Charik
            Charik 27 February 2022 00: 05
            -3
            But what didn’t cover you in 72, did you work from the hut, were you transferred to a remote location? Lucky, we hope not for long, luck.
      3. NIKN
        NIKN 25 February 2022 16: 57
        +11
        Quote: Anchorite
        only drunks with guns

        Since they are drunk and with machine guns, it means they have already got a drink with the help of a machine gun, it remains to take a walk around the lordly ....
      4. Anatoly 288
        Anatoly 288 25 February 2022 17: 11
        -15
        It looks like we will get our Idlib in Lviv
    2. Alex Nevs
      Alex Nevs 25 February 2022 16: 20
      +16
      Let's turn kuev into Kiev. There is seriously pulling the masses out of the media vacuum. Each advertisement on ALL TV should be broadcast by TRIBUNAL LUGANSK, TRIBUNAL DONETSK. All 8 YEARS broadcast.
    3. 210ox
      210ox 25 February 2022 16: 26
      +40
      Night march from Baranovichi to Kiev. The guys are worthy of their great-grandfathers, who moved from Berlin to Prague.
      1. Alex777
        Alex777 25 February 2022 19: 10
        +6
        Quote: 210ox
        The guys are worthy of their great-grandfathers, who moved from Berlin to Prague.

        May God help them!
        1. Vasia West
          Vasia West 25 February 2022 21: 41
          0
          And here is the Almighty? Training, experience, and healthy arrogance, that's how it is!
    4. Pravodel
      Pravodel 25 February 2022 16: 50
      +12
      Push to the end!!!!!

      Now the most important thing is to prevent the bastards from escaping ... Everyone needs to be caught and crushed
      Do not forget about the bunny and the mayor of Kyiv, without the brains of Klyuchko
      1. Machito
        Machito 25 February 2022 17: 19
        +6
        Quote: The Truth
        Push to the end!!!!!

        Now the most important thing is to prevent the bastards from escaping ... Everyone needs to be caught and crushed
        Do not forget about the bunny and the mayor of Kyiv, without the brains of Klyuchko

        Klitschko on point. laughing lol am good
        1. Sanichsan
          Sanichsan 25 February 2022 17: 50
          +4
          Quote: Bearded
          Klitschko on point.

          By the way, where is Klitschko? he seemed to be going to defend his Ukraine with weapons in his hands?
          1. Alex777
            Alex777 25 February 2022 19: 13
            0
            Quote: SanichSan
            By the way, where is Klitschko?

            Why do we need Klitschko? We don't need him. hi
            1. 210ox
              210ox 25 February 2022 19: 33
              +5
              This character (in my opinion he is the most harmless among those fools) is like the "elusive cowboy Joe". Who the hell gave up.
              1. Alex777
                Alex777 25 February 2022 19: 57
                +2
                He was a bandit and still is.
                From bandits became a boxer, and back.
                1. 210ox
                  210ox 25 February 2022 20: 00
                  +2
                  He tries to become one, but the mind does not reach the level of a bandit
                  1. Alex777
                    Alex777 25 February 2022 20: 02
                    +1
                    I personally know how he is a team of "athletes"
                    for rent, for disassembly, handed over. For money...
                    1. 210ox
                      210ox 25 February 2022 20: 09
                      +1
                      Well, I didn't know. I have a relationship with sports only as a father and grandfather. I'm trying to accustom the offspring to the usual sport. No "frills"
                      1. Alex777
                        Alex777 25 February 2022 20: 15
                        +1
                        Many acquaintances in Ukraine. I've heard enough.
                        My story about brigades dates back to 2012. hi
      2. Vasia West
        Vasia West 25 February 2022 21: 44
        -1
        Your words are in the right ears, the main thing is that they don’t wag, so that it’s not in vain !!!
    5. Third district
      Third district 25 February 2022 17: 00
      -1
      The news said that Shoigu was flying to Minsk for negotiations. Haven't finished anything yet. It turns out that people died in vain.
      1. 210ox
        210ox 25 February 2022 17: 03
        +7
        With an ultimatum, he flies.
        1. the lord
          the lord 26 February 2022 03: 58
          -2
          Don't be so sure that Putin has a fad not to bring some things to an end, where the Russians can greatly increase. Either Grozny did not return to the Russian Cossacks, despite a clear victory over the Ichkers, then he sent the Georgians into free swimming, reaching Tiflis, but not overthrowing the Saakashenko and not returning Georgia to the sphere of influence of the Russian Federation, then he thwarted the offensive of the militias in 2014, climbing together with the Chechen Dudayev nicknamed marmots with their peaceful initiatives, which right now only cause allergies in everyone and a desire to strangle another bastard who suddenly dares to offer to return to them .... So from our darkest everything you can expect up to hugs with Tymoshenko or similar and new reconstruction of Bandera incubators.
      2. Romul_78
        Romul_78 25 February 2022 17: 04
        -16
        Western partners and elite money work wonders
        1. 210ox
          210ox 25 February 2022 17: 38
          +7
          Do you think that the "partners" and the elite still have weight? The train left.
          1. Alex777
            Alex777 25 February 2022 19: 14
            +6
            Trolls don't think. They're on a mission.
      3. sustav75
        sustav75 25 February 2022 18: 06
        +1
        There is only one condition - the complete surrender of the troops of the Armed Forces of Ukraine ...
    6. den3080
      den3080 25 February 2022 17: 11
      +4
      laughing
      Julia pissing
      laughing
      the lane has been accumulated and people came home to it in the last Maidan, they barely strayed away ...
      even began to call then to shoot people in the Crimea from atomic weapons (the meaning is preserved, the quote may be inaccurate, but then I was surprised by its woodenness)
      1. Alex_Bora
        Alex_Bora 25 February 2022 17: 48
        +1
        She then, together with Shufrich, "blabbed" in order to later merge the record. To get through for their own for the Natsiks.
        Shufrich "changed his shoes" a long time ago - it turns out for the third time ... Yulia has yet to ...
        Well, she is a lady with generals who knows how to negotiate - she will not be lost
      2. The comment was deleted.
      3. Charik
        Charik 27 February 2022 00: 23
        -3
        To shoot Russians with atomic weapons, she said, it’s not enough to put a rat on a stake for this.
    7. Looking for
      Looking for 25 February 2022 17: 51
      -13
      According to UkroSMI reports, the Russian landing.landed in Gastomel.destroyed.WHO SHOULD I BELIEVE?
      1. sustav75
        sustav75 25 February 2022 18: 08
        +6
        All day I worried about our guys in Gostomel. Looks like they're alive! This is great! They are real heroes. More films will be made about them.
      2. faiver
        faiver 25 February 2022 18: 15
        +5
        They announced its destruction several times...
      3. Vasia West
        Vasia West 25 February 2022 21: 53
        0
        Russia 24 later but they will say (well, not Ear Moscow time)
      4. Charik
        Charik 27 February 2022 00: 23
        -3
        where read there and believe.
    8. codexgigas
      codexgigas 25 February 2022 18: 21
      0
      Only V. Putin for some reason agreed to negotiate!!! I wonder why?
      1. kostavit
        kostavit 25 February 2022 23: 08
        -3
        Xi Jinping and Putin discussed Ukraine over the phone. Xi recommended urgent negotiations. Why ? - read Chinese media.
    9. Maz
      Maz 25 February 2022 21: 56
      +2
      Cauldron Kiev suitcase.
      Against this background, the hryvnia rolled to thirty per dollar, and the ruble won back from almost 90 to 83.
    10. Maz
      Maz 25 February 2022 22: 26
      +7
      In connection with the latest news, I have the following to say:

      While the Russian soldier *
      There are bullets, matches, moonshine -
      Suck forge, NATO soldiers,
      Tremble with fear, Pentagon.

      * I am a Russian soldier
      [Center]
      Cover of the month

      Julia Vityazeva pleased
  2. Romul_78
    Romul_78 25 February 2022 16: 10
    +1
    The meaning of the resistance that exists is that Ze and Co. hope that the Western partners will push the power up. They will make you talk about the topic and everything will start again. Therefore, you need to go to the end and go faster. Where they dug in and do not give up, squeeze out with heavy flamethrower systems. Kharkov should have already been taken
    1. Romul_78
      Romul_78 25 February 2022 16: 13
      -39
      and in vain they sent the Kadyrovites. This is not Syria. The local population only scare
      1. Trapp1st
        Trapp1st 25 February 2022 16: 17
        +15
        and in vain they sent the Kadyrovites.
        There is a suspicion that this is an element of the information war. Caucasians began to arrive there earlier than February 22, but this was not covered. And here is the video posted...
        1. dr.mel51
          dr.mel51 25 February 2022 20: 24
          +3
          Ramzan announced for Natsiks and cash prizes, and they would have announced for provocateurs and trolls
      2. mark1
        mark1 25 February 2022 16: 21
        +13
        Quote: Romul_78
        The local population only scare

        Sometimes this contributes to discipline and order among the population - for Kiev, just
        1. Romul_78
          Romul_78 25 February 2022 16: 22
          -35
          So are we liberators or invaders? Liberators don't scare
          1. Tomcat_Tomcat
            Tomcat_Tomcat 25 February 2022 16: 30
            +16
            Quote: Romul_78
            Liberators don't scare

            so the liberators and TOSs do not fry in residential areas. You yourself what you offer, remember?
            Quote: Romul_78
            extrude with heavy flamethrower systems
            1. Romul_78
              Romul_78 25 February 2022 16: 33
              -27
              and that CBT only hits cities? There are a lot of places where the Armed Forces of Ukraine stand in the field, why not smoke there
              1. Tomcat_Tomcat
                Tomcat_Tomcat 25 February 2022 16: 36
                +3
                Where
                Quote: Romul_78
                APU in the field are

                aviation and MLRS work on them. For those who voluntarily did not lay down their arms.
          2. mark1
            mark1 25 February 2022 16: 30
            +3
            Quote: Romul_78
            So are we liberators or invaders?

            Yes, at least someone - order in a city with an armed population accustomed to pots must be maintained in any case.
          3. master39
            master39 25 February 2022 16: 41
            +3
            And why are you speaking on behalf of real liberators, couch pusher?
            1. Romul_78
              Romul_78 25 February 2022 16: 44
              -26
              because I live in the same country that is now liberating. I, like millions of people in the fall of the standard of living, will feel all this. And it's one thing when there is a great goal, and another thing when there is something incomprehensible
              1. sustav75
                sustav75 25 February 2022 18: 11
                +4
                Don't lament too much! These scum should have been crushed a long time ago! I couldn't bear it anymore...
              2. Okolotochny
                Okolotochny 25 February 2022 21: 16
                +5
                Suitcase, train station, London. There your ass will be in comfort.
          4. den3080
            den3080 25 February 2022 17: 22
            +8
            Quote: Romul_78
            So are we liberators or invaders? Liberators don't scare

            You are definitely not a liberator.
            And what better way to post here, they would be engaged in pulling out the threads from the pattern on the embroidered shirt, so that by the time the liberators arrive, you would be wearing a simple, white shirt.
            smile
      3. Sergey M. Karasev
        Sergey M. Karasev 25 February 2022 16: 49
        +3
        The local population only scare

        Only, not the local population, but Banderlog.
        1. alexmach
          alexmach 25 February 2022 19: 56
          0
          It’s not easy to distinguish one from the other, in the same Kiev.
          And neither to frighten nor frighten the population will be possible, and so intimidated.
    2. Trapp1st
      Trapp1st 25 February 2022 16: 13
      +2
      Ze and co hope that Western partners will push the government through. They will make you talk about the topic and everything will start again.

      Russia is ready to send a delegation to Minsk for negotiations with Ukraine, Peskov said.
      Cart VO
    3. Vladimirets
      Vladimirets 25 February 2022 16: 16
      +3
      Must, must... the monitor always shows better what to do and where to attack from.
      1. Romul_78
        Romul_78 25 February 2022 16: 18
        -16
        time factor. The longer, the higher the probability of not capitulation, but Minsk 3, and this will be a disaster
        1. Vladimirets
          Vladimirets 25 February 2022 16: 21
          +3
          Yes, this is understandable. Only there, as far as I remember, one of the most prepared, including ideologically, Ukrainian formations. What to do? Kharkov MLRS or TOS to iron? Or to drive your soldiers into urban areas with a hussar swoop?
          1. Romul_78
            Romul_78 25 February 2022 16: 23
            -18
            yes, send it to the city building, it will still have to be done, they will not come out on their own. Yes, according to the mind, neatly, but you have to clean it up
            1. Vladimirets
              Vladimirets 25 February 2022 16: 29
              +9
              So
              Quote: Romul_78
              wisely, neatly

              or
              Quote: Romul_78
              should have been taken

              ??? How do you imagine cleaning up a one and a half million city in a day?
              1. Romul_78
                Romul_78 25 February 2022 16: 34
                -22
                there one and a half million soldiers?
                1. Vladimirets
                  Vladimirets 25 February 2022 16: 36
                  +14
                  Clearly, there is nothing more to discuss, all the best to you.
              2. Thrifty
                Thrifty 25 February 2022 16: 36
                +4
                Vladimerets '-here it is necessary to work from the air ubpl, pointwise, use Lancets for military equipment in the city, it is better not to meddle with tanks, and they will burn from the roofs of houses! Ordinary troops in the second echelon, special forces are ahead.
                1. Vladimirets
                  Vladimirets 25 February 2022 16: 42
                  +6
                  Yes, this is understandable, only a comrade proposes to clean up a city with an area of ​​​​350 square kilometers and a population of almost 1,5 million per day. And with a bunch of restrictions on weapons and their use.
                  1. Looking for
                    Looking for 25 February 2022 17: 57
                    -2
                    The population in the city of Kiev for 2022 is 2 people. !!!!!
              3. viktortarianik
                viktortarianik 25 February 2022 16: 41
                +8
                Yes, this Romul does not represent in any way, he does not want to think.
                1. Kesha1980
                  Kesha1980 25 February 2022 17: 24
                  +11
                  Yes, this Romul does not represent in any way, he does not want to think.

                  Students, na. Clearly I haven't seen this scene in person.
            2. Alex 34091
              Alex 34091 25 February 2022 17: 38
              +1
              Quote: Romul_78
              yes, send it to the city building, it will still have to be done, they will not come out on their own. Yes, according to the mind, neatly, but you have to clean it up

              No, no, no, entering the city is an unjustified loss, a ring and a corridor with a filter are the best way. We don’t need Grozny 2, and the “ideological” ones will not be able to sit indefinitely
              1. Looking for
                Looking for 25 February 2022 18: 02
                0
                and you turn out to think strategically. That's right, hunger very quickly makes people compliant .. and if you add the lack of.gas.light.heat and water.then -....
          2. Alexander Seklitsky
            Alexander Seklitsky 25 February 2022 18: 21
            +1
            Orions and lancets and no one should be sent to urban areas.
        2. A_Mazkov
          A_Mazkov 25 February 2022 16: 26
          -23
          I believe that "Minsk 3" is exactly what the GDP was counting on. But if they don’t agree on a quick one, then there will definitely be a disaster ...
          1. Romul_78
            Romul_78 25 February 2022 16: 30
            -7
            Minsk 1, 2 ended in nothing, Minsk 3 ended in nothing. Only capitulation and change of power and denazification. All this will not happen under Minsk
            1. A_Mazkov
              A_Mazkov 25 February 2022 16: 40
              -17
              Quote: Romul_78
              Minsk 1, 2 ended in nothing, Minsk 3 ended in nothing. Only capitulation and change of power and denazification. All this will not happen under Minsk

              Well, if Zelensky capitulates, this does not mean automatic capitulation of the national battalions. They are still something good, and they will arrange partisanism! The ground operation is already stalling, and in general there will be a long, sluggish conflict.
              Yes, and something judging by the videos, Ukrainians are not particularly happy to see Russian soldiers. The attitude is rather cool-neutral, but there is clearly no approval.
              And again, what are we going to do with Ukraine, support it at our own expense?
              So the budget of the Russian Federation is not rubber.
              1. Romul_78
                Romul_78 25 February 2022 16: 42
                -4
                An abscess has formed, it needs to be opened. Denazification is impossible without complete surrender, the Russophobic authorities will remain - all this will happen again
                1. Looking for
                  Looking for 25 February 2022 18: 05
                  -1
                  therefore. the main thing is a change of leadership
                  1. cat Rusich
                    cat Rusich 25 February 2022 22: 04
                    0
                    Quote: Seeker
                    therefore. the main thing is a change of leadership
                    Who will we change?
                    I watched Shariy's video - about Lyosha Goncharenko, who began his political life
                    In 2001 in the youth wing of the party Green Ukraine
                    In 2005, the chairman of the city branch of the party "Union" - for the union of Ukraine with Russia and Belarus, the federalization of Ukraine, the Russian state language ...
                    In 2006 the party "Regions"
                    etc
                    And there are those ALL
              2. RED_ICE
                RED_ICE 25 February 2022 17: 22
                -1
                Under Minsk, 3 dill will be required to leave the territories of the DPR and LPR
                1. Roma 1977
                  Roma 1977 25 February 2022 17: 51
                  0
                  And from the territory of the Ukrainian SSR. No options. Otherwise, our children will have to re-show their children this Marleson ballet every time.
              3. Egg
                Egg 25 February 2022 18: 48
                +7
                Quote: A_Mazkov
                The ground operation is already stalling,

                Is it slipping? The 2nd day has not yet passed, and the troops have already passed half of Ukraine, the Ukrainian troops have been demoralized, the airfields have been bombed, air defense has been suppressed, communications have been destroyed, ours are already at Kyiv. Didn't confuse anything? For contrast, compare this brilliant operation with the NATO carpet bombing of Yugoslavia, when cities and towns were wiped to dust by tomahawks and bombers ... and Yugoslavia is much smaller in territory.
                1. A_Mazkov
                  A_Mazkov 25 February 2022 22: 31
                  -4
                  Yes, they've gone. And now there are battles in this territory.
                  Some of the personnel of the Armed Forces of Ukraine did not plan to particularly resist, but about "demoralized", you are not right.
                  There are no flowers for the Russian liberators in the hands of the enthusiastic citizens of Ukraine.
                  Well, they surrounded Kiev, and not only him, so what?
                  Ukraine is a "suitcase without a handle", and even populated by citizens who are not loyal to Russia and want to join the European Union and NATO.
                  Have you already forgotten how long they fought in Chechnya, and how many people died there?
                  I'm not talking about the financial side of things. It is the states that can afford to spend as much money on military operations as they need, they will still print them for themselves, but our country does not have such opportunities.
                  How much money has already been poured into this dubious enterprise does not bother you at all?
                  1. Egg
                    Egg 26 February 2022 05: 08
                    +1
                    Quote: A_Mazkov
                    There are no flowers for the Russian liberators in the hands of the enthusiastic citizens of Ukraine.

                    Videos filmed by residents of Ukraine and posted on the Internet refute your words, yes, they may not be met with flowers, but they are frankly happy and welcome the troops of the Russian Federation. Yes, there are opposing opinions, how could it be without this ... otherwise, where would the national battalions come from? But most are ok.
                    Quote: A_Mazkov
                    I'm not talking about the financial side of things. It is the states that can afford to spend as much money on military operations as they need, they will still print them for themselves, but our country does not have such opportunities.
                    How much money has already been poured into this dubious enterprise does not bother you at all?

                    What are you doing with money? There are things more expensive than any money and it is a pity that you do not understand this.
              4. Charik
                Charik 27 February 2022 00: 32
                -3
                Well, you’re an uncle and a strategist, did you serve in the General Staff in any way? The second day of the operation, and you are already stalling? Can you lead military operations, where did you go to the capital of the country on the second day?
                1. A_Mazkov
                  A_Mazkov 27 February 2022 11: 03
                  -3
                  And what's the point that we went to her?
                  Our General Staff had a stupid calculation: the Armed Forces of Ukraine would not want to fight and would surrender en masse, and the grateful population would be greeted with flowers, as in the 45th. And all that remains is to carry out a cleansing from the especially stubborn Natsiks.
                  Everything went wrong, or rather, not at all.
                  Time passes, no one greets us with enthusiasm, the Armed Forces of Ukraine do not surrender directly commendably, and even resist.
                  There is nothing to write about the Nazis, everything is clear with them.
                  Taking into account the latest news, about the desire of the Europeans to help Ukraine with weapons, and the imposition of sanctions against Russia, we have already lost strategically.
                  The military operation, in itself, has already lost some meaning, even if we take Kyiv.
                  Whoever planned this really screwed up!
                  And his mistake will cost Russia too much, primarily in the lives of people.
                  It's not even worth talking about political and economic losses.
                  1. Charik
                    Charik 27 February 2022 14: 08
                    -1
                    Well, that means Russia will be dragged into Ukraine and they will begin to bring terrorists from all over the world there and it will be extinguished there to the last, because the Anglo-Saxons have a plan to destroy the Russians and take all the territory
        3. Tomcat_Tomcat
          Tomcat_Tomcat 25 February 2022 16: 35
          0
          Quote: Romul_78
          The longer, the higher the probability not of capitulation, but of Minsk 3

          this is not a time factor, this should be the position of the Russian leadership. Ze and Co. already understand that “game over”, to delay further is only to produce unnecessary sacrifices for anyone on both sides. Negotiations can start now, or in three days, and I see no reason why the demands of the Russian side could change in these three (five) days. Why would? Will the Armed Forces of Ukraine regroup and inflict a decisive defeat, and even go on a counteroffensive? Time is playing against Ze...
          1. Romul_78
            Romul_78 25 February 2022 16: 40
            -9
            Because there is no surrender, which means there is an excuse to set conditions
            1. Tomcat_Tomcat
              Tomcat_Tomcat 25 February 2022 16: 49
              0
              Damn... conditions and so will set the strongest. What - we do not know. What we want and what we can put forward can be very different. But in any case, the Ukrainian side will be forced to agree to them. As I understand it, there is not even a question here whether Ze will remain in power - definitely not - we are talking about how his skin will be treated. And the longer the question drags on, the less chance he has of a favorable outcome (with the conditions of the situation) for him. They can lynch their own. Maybe a rocket to demolish the head, by accident. The time factor is important not so much for us as for Ukraine. The sooner everything is over, the more favorable conditions she can negotiate for herself.

              Of course, I would like to count on an occupation (let them call it that) administration, completely pro-Russian. The rest are subject to a show trial, all those responsible for unleashing the war in the Donbass must be tried in public so that no one forgets (the corpse will be forgotten quickly, but a loud and show trial will not). We need a kind of Nuremberg so that war criminals answer for their actions
        4. Sergey M. Karasev
          Sergey M. Karasev 25 February 2022 16: 55
          0
          and it will be a disaster

          Well, not exactly a disaster. In any case, the Armed Forces of Ukraine will have to leave the entire territory of the Luhansk and Donetsk regions. And this is the result.
        5. Sergey Stavr
          Sergey Stavr 25 February 2022 16: 55
          +1
          The third time on a rake?, should not.
    4. Kolesnikov Valery
      Kolesnikov Valery 25 February 2022 16: 18
      +2
      Why take Kharkiv, let them sit, they just bypass it
      1. Romul_78
        Romul_78 25 February 2022 16: 19
        -12
        All cities will be bypassed, and then what?
        1. Kolesnikov Valery
          Kolesnikov Valery 25 February 2022 16: 20
          +2
          after Kiev they will begin to surrender themselves
          1. Romul_78
            Romul_78 25 February 2022 16: 24
            -11
            To surrender, you need to go to Kiev and how is it different? And these won't give up
        2. Charik
          Charik 27 February 2022 00: 35
          -3
          GSH number or personally give BB? They will tell you what is planned
      2. Trapp1st
        Trapp1st 25 February 2022 16: 23
        -1
        Why take Kharkiv, let them sit, they just bypass it
        Logistic hub, I'm not sure that serious resistance was expected in Kharkov.
        1. Kolesnikov Valery
          Kolesnikov Valery 25 February 2022 16: 26
          0
          We don’t forget the tank factory there, you can roll out a group, I think, not everything is in full repair there, something can drive and shoot, a big expense would go on them and not a comic battle
      3. Alemax
        Alemax 25 February 2022 16: 53
        +2
        Why take Kharkiv, let them sit, they just bypass it

        So he's already been passed over. And then all the heavy shnyaga will be squeezed out of it. As questions come in. The task is different.
        1. Kolesnikov Valery
          Kolesnikov Valery 25 February 2022 17: 29
          +1
          What I wanted to say...
    5. alexmach
      alexmach 25 February 2022 16: 21
      +2
      Kharkiv is actually a million-strong city. Can you imagine what it means to "squeeze out" it with flamethrower systems?
      1. Romul_78
        Romul_78 25 February 2022 16: 25
        -10
        I did not offer to beat the city with a flamethrower. For those in the field
        1. alexmach
          alexmach 25 February 2022 16: 28
          +2
          So the whole difficulty is that they organize defense in large cities, in the same Kharkov and Chernigov. And most importantly in Kiev.
          1. Romul_78
            Romul_78 25 February 2022 16: 28
            -8
            well, they still won't come out, you'll have to smoke
            1. RED_ICE
              RED_ICE 25 February 2022 17: 24
              +4
              Yes, no one will take the city! What are you bringing the blizzard?
              1. Tomcat_Tomcat
                Tomcat_Tomcat 25 February 2022 18: 50
                -1
                Quote: RED_ICE
                Yes, no one will take the city! What are you bringing the blizzard?

                don't be so categorical. Anything can happen. Here, for example, Ze will resign and accept surrender. and the gang entrenched in the city will not want to lay down their arms. What are you, will you wait a month until their food runs out, and then they don’t want to go out under a human shield?
                Terrible to recall?
                Do not produce hype on moods, you are clearly not a military man, since you argue like that.
                1. RED_ICE
                  RED_ICE 25 February 2022 22: 42
                  -1
                  What is HYIP?
                  1. Repellent
                    Repellent 25 February 2022 23: 20
                    +1
                    Quote: RED_ICE
                    What is HYIP?

                    It's kind of like sex: a little indecent, quite funny and very, very nice (c) laughing
                    1. Charik
                      Charik 27 February 2022 00: 37
                      -2
                      apparently someone imagines sex differently
                      1. Repellent
                        Repellent 27 February 2022 00: 40
                        +1
                        Quote: Charik
                        apparently someone imagines sex differently

                        In the original, not sex, but love. Schwartz, Ordinary Miracle.
                2. RED_ICE
                  RED_ICE 25 February 2022 22: 45
                  -4
                  Ukraine is not Chechnya and Kiev is not Grozny. No need to be confused. We just don't have that much power. And so the losses are great.
                  1. Tomcat_Tomcat
                    Tomcat_Tomcat 25 February 2022 23: 20
                    -2
                    Quote: RED_ICE
                    Ukraine is not Chechnya and Kyiv is not Grozny. No need to be confused.

                    here, don't get confused. And it's not about the power.
                    It seems that by the evening the ukrovoyaks have pulled up. Haven't everyone been brainwashed yet?
                    1. RED_ICE
                      RED_ICE 26 February 2022 21: 04
                      -1
                      Did you think they are waiting for us in Ukraine? No one is waiting for us there for a long time except for Donbass and Luhansk
                      1. Repellent
                        Repellent 27 February 2022 00: 46
                        +1
                        Quote: RED_ICE
                        Did you think they are waiting for us in Ukraine?

                        В Ukraine. And a Freudian slip... laughing
                  2. Charik
                    Charik 27 February 2022 00: 38
                    -3
                    And so we bear big losses. - share the data?
        2. Roma 1977
          Roma 1977 25 February 2022 17: 52
          0
          And I would suggest. With the simultaneous creation of humanitarian corridors for civilians. Cleaning up the whole of Ukraine according to a rigid scheme is vital.
        3. Looking for
          Looking for 25 February 2022 18: 09
          0
          and in the field to offer the Armed Forces of Ukraine to be built in a square. Well, that would be all in one fell swoop. Yes?
          1. Romul_78
            Romul_78 27 February 2022 08: 49
            -3
            Yes, offer to either surrender or line up
    6. Alemax
      Alemax 25 February 2022 16: 28
      +3
      No need to go faster. As Vladimir Vladimirovich said, - "We have time until ...".
      The main thing is reasonable, with minimal, and better WITHOUT losses among our boys and without losses of the peaceful.
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    7. Tomcat_Tomcat
      Tomcat_Tomcat 25 February 2022 16: 28
      +3
      Quote: Romul_78
      Where they dug in and do not give up, squeeze out with heavy flamethrower systems.

      In my opinion, you contradict the goals of the operation, which were determined in Moscow. If there was a task to raze everything to the ground, they would have razed it already, with the first strike, with another three or four hundred missiles. There is no task from Kiev (or any other city in Ukraine) to make Grozny, there is a task to minimize losses among civilians. Have you seen where and how the Armed Forces of Ukraine deploy their firepower? Do you propose to work out TOSs and aviation in residential areas?
      1. Romul_78
        Romul_78 25 February 2022 16: 31
        -9
        well, there was a video of the application of CBT, apply again, but not in the city
        1. Tomcat_Tomcat
          Tomcat_Tomcat 25 February 2022 16: 53
          +1
          I think you are too bloodthirsty. Agree, no one needs the dead from either side. In general, I am against war - if at least one person dies or is injured in it. But there are no such wars. But there is no need to produce victims unnecessarily - although I perfectly understand the feelings of everyone (and they are the same for me) who see at least one killed or wounded Russian soldier. Burn everything to hell! But that's not how it's done. It is necessary to force the enemy to capitulate - and for this it is not necessary to burn city blocks with TOS and napalm.
          Quote: Romul_78
          Well, there was a video of using TOS

          link please
      2. Kesha1980
        Kesha1980 25 February 2022 17: 31
        -4
        This is the problem - there are few lancets, and the rest of the point we have only Caliber and Daggers, in fact. They cannot be used in cities. I hope the Lancets are now tightened up.
        Threat I will laugh for a long time if we start using captured Bayraktars in Kiev
        1. Tomcat_Tomcat
          Tomcat_Tomcat 25 February 2022 17: 53
          +1
          Quote: Kesha1980
          if we start using captured Bayraktars in Kiev

          and they still exist, these same Bayraktars ???
          Quote: Kesha1980
          I will laugh for a long time

          I'm not going to laugh at all anyway. Who was in the war that does not laugh.

          Quote: Kesha1980
          there are few lancets, and the rest of the point we have only Caliber and Daggers, in fact. They cannot be used in cities.

          Kesha, wake up! Have you watched the media? This is a real war, not your cartoons. What calibers are in the city? In your stupidity, rockets will fly among the houses, looking for a target? Everything will be completely different there. Kesha, I'm not arguing with you, but you. I'm sorry, I wrote nonsense.

          PS Forgive me if something is wrong, but the sofa iksperds really got it. You at least be human, since you don’t understand anything anywhere.
          1. Kesha1980
            Kesha1980 25 February 2022 18: 11
            -1
            Firstly: I wrote that Daggers and Calibers cannot be used around the city. Lancets (obviously) we still have little.
            Secondly: only 4 Bayraktars were shot down, and there were at least about 20 of them. Learned operators - you can persuade them, because they could also use aliexpress quadras with IEDs in LDNR - this happened more than once.
            Thirdly: when you remember shelling (in a war, shooting is more common, they don’t kill so often - I have the right to say), then you can later remember a lot of fun. You can only fight in tension for 4 days - then the cuckoo rides (real studies). Therefore, without jokes and jokes anywhere.
            I once sat in a forest ambush for 4 days in vain without food and watched ants crawling on a tree. This is bad. And shelling is still trifles. If you don't give in.
            1. Tomcat_Tomcat
              Tomcat_Tomcat 25 February 2022 18: 33
              +1
              Quote: Kesha1980
              I once sat in a forest ambush for 4 days in vain without food and watched ants crawling on a tree. This is bad.

              in ambush for whom? For a boar? Kesha, I understand from your speeches that you were not in the war.
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            2. Tomcat_Tomcat
              Tomcat_Tomcat 25 February 2022 19: 56
              0
              Try them, Kesha, try them as war criminals. So that no one would like it. Stick a stalk from a shovel in one place and judge. And nefig pity those who do not want to voluntarily lay down their arms.
          2. Charik
            Charik 27 February 2022 00: 49
            -3
            in-in grinded do not understand what
        2. Charik
          Charik 27 February 2022 00: 48
          -3
          They piled everything up, Lancets, apparently you refer to pinpoint (or high-precision after all) weapons, or is it still a carrier, Calibers and Daggers, as it were, are different both in terms of carriers and in purpose, where you got hold of - "captured Bayraktars" , I only heard about their destruction. Well, after all, there is aviation for delivering high-precision strikes with guided high-precision weapons (if you need to knock out equipment in the city).
  3. Serving the Fatherland
    Serving the Fatherland 25 February 2022 16: 11
    +7
    Yes, it will be hard for civilians, Nazis, criminals, military equipment in residential areas. We don't even need to capture the city, everything is right, to block. And there Nazis and criminals will shoot each other.
    1. Romul_78
      Romul_78 25 February 2022 16: 14
      -12
      and what will the locals eat and at what cost?
      1. Cananecat
        Cananecat 25 February 2022 16: 19
        +21
        And the locals will eat themselves. Don't push for pity. You deserve it.
        1. Romul_78
          Romul_78 25 February 2022 16: 21
          -11
          I'm actually from Russia and I beg you, you might think that someone asks ordinary people. Zelensky became president because he promised to end the war and his population supported him. What can an ordinary person do then?
          1. Alex Nevs
            Alex Nevs 25 February 2022 16: 25
            +1
            Actually, you have a reasonable grain. But! I have, but. What will be delivered there? Hunger should not be allowed, but there should be tension. Only when many deprivations are felt, the Brains turn on. Well, cut down on the media. The media is the FRONT.
            1. Romul_78
              Romul_78 25 February 2022 16: 26
              -9
              this is a struggle for minds, if you behave like an enemy, then the attitude will be like an enemy
              1. indy424
                indy424 25 February 2022 16: 34
                -10
                strange. and I thought there was to crush civilian vehicles with people inside with armored vehicles, then they would meet with flowers
          2. Vavilov
            Vavilov 25 February 2022 16: 37
            +1
            we say - at whose expense, and yet yes, I beg you, the citizens of Israel think about it first of all
          3. Myths
            Myths 25 February 2022 17: 44
            0
            The usual one can take the machine gun that they give and protect their relatives by sending Natsiks in the forest. But I don’t think that after the issuance of weapons they will give people the right to choose ...
            1. Tomcat_Tomcat
              Tomcat_Tomcat 25 February 2022 17: 59
              +1
              Quote from Mitos
              But I don’t think that after the issuance of weapons they will give people the right to choose ...

              You don't think that everyone who wants weapons is handed out, do you? Ideological. Not all brains have been drunk there yet. For example, a brother you don't know comes up to you and says - give me a barrel and five magazines, and you will give it? And if he is from the DRG or just starts shooting at you right here? There, too, they were not made at all with a finger, understand ... some kind of checks take place. otherwise there would be no all this.
          4. Tomcat_Tomcat
            Tomcat_Tomcat 25 February 2022 17: 55
            0
            Quote: Romul_78
            Zelensky became president because he promised to end the war

            but eventually untied it
            Quote: Romul_78
            What can an ordinary person do then?

            one nothing, but grouped - a lot. Do not go looting, but g ... to knock out.
            1. A_Mazkov
              A_Mazkov 25 February 2022 23: 25
              -7
              but eventually untied it

              That is, it was Ukraine that attacked Russia?!
              1. Tomcat_Tomcat
                Tomcat_Tomcat 25 February 2022 23: 27
                0
                Where did I say that, quote? So as not to pass for p ... empty talk.

                Look, the ukrotrolls have come to life.
                1. A_Mazkov
                  A_Mazkov 25 February 2022 23: 36
                  -5
                  I don’t know who the “ukrotrolls” are, and I have nothing to do with Ukraine.
                  Zelensky really did not intend to fulfill the Minsk agreements, but he also did not intend to unleash a war. He generally talked more than he did. Moreover, he chatted so much and off topic that he even tired his overseas friends.
                  And in the end, it was Russia who attacked Ukraine, not the other way around.
                  1. Tomcat_Tomcat
                    Tomcat_Tomcat 25 February 2022 23: 42
                    0
                    i.e. mine Are you unable to provide a quote? So why grind with your tongue, idler?
                    This Ze and Co. are waging war against the Donbass, that's what kind of war we are talking about - but you didn’t know? Russia came out in their defense.
                    You still say that Russia attacked Georgia in 2008, nonsense
                    1. A_Mazkov
                      A_Mazkov 25 February 2022 23: 58
                      -6
                      Firstly, the war in the Donbass was purely civil. It could not be otherwise, since even Russia did not recognize the LDNR (and in vain, by the way).
                      Secondly, Zelya and Co. is not a gift, but Gunpowder was much worse in this regard.
                      Zelya was not going to win anything.
                      In 2008, Georgia unleashed a war with Russia, even the European Union recognized this.
                      In 2022, Russia unleashed a war with Ukraine.
                      1. Tomcat_Tomcat
                        Tomcat_Tomcat 26 February 2022 00: 03
                        0
                        Firstly, Ze promised to stop the war in Donbass, you are such nonsense. What do we see as a result? Shelling from the APU.
                        Secondly, Russia did not attack Ukraine, it forces it to peace, and does not enslave it. How forced Georgia. Some do not understand words, like you, for example. If the Armed Forces of Ukraine were in the format of Minsk, no one would have done anything. You hit the sky with your finger again, bullshit.
                      2. A_Mazkov
                        A_Mazkov 26 February 2022 00: 28
                        -7
                        There were shelling by the Armed Forces of Ukraine for all 8 years, and it was only our fault, if we had recognized the LDNR earlier and sent troops there, there would have been no shelling.
                        At the same time, Zelensky did not plan any large-scale military operation against the LDNR, since Poroshenko had already burned himself on this option.
                        As for Zelensky's promises, Putin and Medvedev could and can promise a lot of things here, and now what? In general, politicians can promise a lot of things for the sake of support, and then stupidly score on these promises.
                        And, yes, by showing some kind of gouging shed, Russia started a war with Ukraine by inflicting sudden missile attacks on its territory.
                        You can write a lot about Zelya (talker, warmth, worthless president), but the initiator of the war is the president of our country.
                        And by the way, at whose expense is this banquet?
                      3. OgnennyiKotik
                        OgnennyiKotik 26 February 2022 00: 33
                        -2
                        Quote from Tomcat_Tomcat
                        Ze promised to end the war in Donbass

                        Purely technically, the war in Donbass will end in a few days. So it's not a lie.
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        2. alekseykabanets
          alekseykabanets 25 February 2022 16: 48
          -21
          Quote: Canecat
          And the locals will eat themselves. Don't push for pity. You deserve it.

          I never would have thought that so many fascists hang around the site. It is strange to hear such statements in a country that defeated fascism.
          1. Cananecat
            Cananecat 25 February 2022 16: 59
            +11
            Quote: aleksejkabanets
            that there are so many fascists on the site

            This is not fascism .... whoever could, he left, the rest, in the event of riots, are worthy of these very riots, for Hatuskrai, for indifference to what is happening, for Berkut on their knees and torchlight processions
            1. alekseykabanets
              alekseykabanets 25 February 2022 17: 18
              -7
              Quote: Canecat
              This is not fascism....

              Then what is it?
              Quote: Canecat
              And the locals will eat themselves ......




              Quote: Canecat
              who could, he left, the rest in the event of riots are worthy of these very riots, for Khatuskrai, for indifference to what is happening, for Berkut on their knees and torchlight processions

              Who couldn't leave? Circumstances are different for everyone, and often there is simply nowhere to go. As for Berkut, torchlight processions, etc. Tell me, can an ordinary simple person greatly influence what is happening? Say a single mother with a couple of kids? Yes, and the same men, who will feed their families when they are imprisoned or the Nazis beat them up? The people are always divided and do not influence anything in a fascist, semi-fascist state.
              1. Cananecat
                Cananecat 25 February 2022 17: 57
                +1
                Quote: aleksejkabanets
                Tell me, can an ordinary simple person greatly influence what is happening?

                That's why Donbass survived and it SHOULD be helped ... let the rest slurp, because it's so easy to hype on dislike for Russia ...
                1. alekseykabanets
                  alekseykabanets 25 February 2022 18: 33
                  -2
                  Quote: Canecat
                  let the rest sip, because it’s so easy to hype on dislike for Russia ...

                  Yeah, which means "the rest", that is, civilians, women, children, should be responsible for a miserable bunch of Nazis? How did you write it
                  Quote: Canecat
                  will eat themselves

                  This is the real fascism. It was people like you who, with exactly the same contempt for other people, burned people who thought differently in Odessa, shot at civilians in the Donbass, and beat up “Colorados” on the Ukrainian streets. So if you want to see a fascist, just look in the mirror.
              2. Alex_Bora
                Alex_Bora 25 February 2022 18: 04
                +1
                Quote: aleksejkabanets

                Tell me, an ordinary simple person can greatly influence what is happening? Say a single mother with a couple of kids? Yes, men too...

                I hope that soon there will be a great opportunity to influence the events that took place then for both men and women: to report information, facts, evidence on all involved and "distinguished" nationalists, scumbags and their patrons to the appropriate, I repeat - I hope, educated authorities.
                1. alekseykabanets
                  alekseykabanets 25 February 2022 18: 36
                  -4
                  Quote: Alex_Bora
                  I hope that soon there will be a great opportunity to influence the events that took place then for both men and women: to provide information, facts, ....

                  The main thing is that they all live up to this moment.
            2. Tomcat_Tomcat
              Tomcat_Tomcat 25 February 2022 18: 03
              +1
              Quote: Canecat
              who could, he left, the rest in the event of riots are worthy of these same riots,

              who couldn't? Don't you think that situations are different? And not all who remained are adherents of fascism?
              Mirnyak has nothing to do with it. Even if he is a bad layman. These need to be treated with sticks, this is the business of the police and other services and at other times. If he was caught with a gun and clearly did not go to the pharmacy for "aspirin" - then a different conversation. Why do you all blizzard one size fits all? This is the extreme complexity of operations when bandits, military and civilians are mixed in one heap.
          2. Looking for
            Looking for 25 February 2022 18: 14
            -2
            this is not fascism. this is great power chauvinism.
            1. alekseykabanets
              alekseykabanets 25 February 2022 18: 57
              -3
              Quote: Seeker
              this is not fascism. this is great power chauvinism

              When it concerns civilians, including women and children, then this is already fascism. How is it, "they will eat each other"? Here is an IT forum, https://www.maultalk.com/topic390307s0.html how do they feel there, what can be answered, "You got it, bro"? I have a father from the Donbass, an aunt and a cousin in Zaporozhye, what is there "let them eat each other"? How can you write like that?
      2. Alexander Salenko
        Alexander Salenko 25 February 2022 16: 40
        +1
        And the locals will put pressure on the Ukrainian military and persuade them to surrender. In Crimea, it was not quite the same, but for example, at the end of the artillery unit, only two submachine gunners were guarding, sunbathing on an armored personnel carrier
        1. Tomcat_Tomcat
          Tomcat_Tomcat 25 February 2022 18: 06
          +1
          Quote: Valentina Salenko
          And the locals will put pressure on the Ukrainian military

          if you motivate the locals correctly, then yes. And it will be the coolest thing. And therefore, in the light of the whole situation, I do not understand the silence of the domestic propaganda organs. It must be said from all loudspeakers that the Armed Forces of Ukraine are surrendering, that control over the Russian army, that resistance is useless and entails only unnecessary victims ... Why is this not?
        2. Looking for
          Looking for 25 February 2022 18: 15
          -1
          the poppy was in 2014. Now time is lost.
      3. Incvizitor
        Incvizitor 25 February 2022 18: 34
        0
        The locals will get hungry themselves, the invaders will be brought down.
    2. Lech from Android.
      Lech from Android. 25 February 2022 16: 15
      +4
      Enough work for the special services ...
      Eh, there is no complete picture of the events taking place ... some fragments from different places and a bunch of misinformation. smile what
      1. Yura
        Yura 25 February 2022 16: 43
        +1
        Quote: Lech from Android.
        Eh, there is no complete picture of the events taking place ... some fragments from different places and a bunch of misinformation.

        How is it not. It seems that in June last year, the SBU summoned Shoigu for interrogation in order to conduct investigative actions within the framework of a criminal case. So everything is logical Shoigu with a team of military lawyers is going to conduct investigative measures. It was a joke, but seriously, only two days from the start of the operation, not everything can be talked about publicly, uncertainty, uncertainty, uncertainty, lack of reliable information is a destabilizing factor for the enemy.
    3. private person
      private person 25 February 2022 16: 24
      +2
      And there Nazis and criminals will shoot each other.

      And isn't it the same person? So to say 2 in 1.
  4. antivirus
    antivirus 25 February 2022 16: 12
    +7
    we must pray for the teachers of the Russian language and literature, who were supposed to teach 20-40 years ago ... and put the right turns of speech into the heads of the boys.
    now those chickens SHOULD SHORTLY AND UNLIMITEDLY SAY ON THE GREAT AND POWERFUL CONDITIONS OF THE CAPITULATION of the Bandera outskirts

    according to the classics
    If, the way is broken with his father’s sword,
    You are wound with salty tears,
    If in a hot fight I experienced that how much, -
    So, you read the necessary books as a child!
  5. Odysseus
    Odysseus 25 February 2022 16: 14
    +7
    It would be very nice to send to clean up Kyiv not good Russians, but Chechen fighters.
    Then they will shed all the tears of Donbass for 8 years .....
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  6. Babermetis
    Babermetis 25 February 2022 16: 14
    +3
    Weapons are weapons, the main thing is that they don’t distribute cartridges
    1. Looking for
      Looking for 25 February 2022 18: 17
      0
      well, a pig will find a bite.
  7. Ermak_Timofeich
    Ermak_Timofeich 25 February 2022 16: 14
    +1
    an assault force was landed, which held the bridgehead until the arrival of the main forces.

    Yes, you will not envy. In truth - "... my military fate is the soldier's ways ...".
    .
  8. tralflot1832
    tralflot1832 25 February 2022 16: 15
    +7
    I am looking at the situation with the negotiations. This is tough trolling on our part. NATO members should be in a slump from this action of Putin VV on the diplomatic front.
    1. Shahno
      Shahno 25 February 2022 16: 18
      -10
      Do you listen to news channels at all? CNN, BBC, German, English, Italian. It seems that NATO and the EU will be more accommodating ..
      You really think that no one understands how the information war is being waged.
      1. Alex Nevs
        Alex Nevs 25 February 2022 16: 26
        +2
        Of course yes,
      2. Gust
        Gust 25 February 2022 16: 45
        +5
        Is Israel conducting many negotiations with Syria? We have been waiting for 8 years, just like you and Assad's dad...
    2. Cananecat
      Cananecat 25 February 2022 16: 21
      +3
      Quote: tralflot1832
      The sooner we finish with the Nazis, the NATO members will be more accommodating

      It's time to start dictating conditions to some presumptuous.
  9. Evil 55
    Evil 55 25 February 2022 16: 16
    +2
    Now Kiev is really the Mother of Russian cities ... How many boys from all over Russia gathered to free him from enemies and traitors.
  10. Jacket in stock
    Jacket in stock 25 February 2022 16: 16
    +2
    Ukrovoyaks are trying to increase the number of victims. And preferably among the civilian population. To show the "atrocities of the Kremlin regime" later. And at the same time to increase the number of blood offended.
  11. Bolt cutter
    Bolt cutter 25 February 2022 16: 18
    +1
    Just now - Klitschko announced that he would go to the Kiev militia laughing
    1. Evil 55
      Evil 55 25 February 2022 16: 31
      +6
      He imagined himself to be Immortal, you see .. Or a brain with a nut does not allow to analyze the situation.
    2. Vavilov
      Vavilov 25 February 2022 16: 32
      +2
      with wooden...
      1. Bolt cutter
        Bolt cutter 25 February 2022 16: 37
        +3
        with wooden...
        What? Automatic, or something belay ? So he was photographed for the cover of a German magazine for roosters yes .
        1. Vavilov
          Vavilov 25 February 2022 16: 42
          +1
          What? Automatic, or what belay?

          it's all there in the complex. x., automatic and head
    3. Sergey M. Karasev
      Sergey M. Karasev 25 February 2022 17: 02
      +2
      Quote: Bolt Cutter
      Just now - Klitschko announced that he would go to the Kiev militia laughing

      Yeah ... In hand-to-hand combat, he will have no equal! laughing
    4. Poetry
      Poetry 25 February 2022 17: 20
      +2
      Don't stress yourself, Mr. Klitschko.
      Otherwise you'll break the point.
      Couldn't get over this character.
  12. kakvastam
    kakvastam 25 February 2022 16: 19
    +6
    The saddest thing is that you can’t explain to people that the one who distributes weapons to former non-combatants and installs MLRS installations in residential areas does not protect them at all, rather, on the contrary.
    That is, you will have to get out, trying to avoid civilian casualties, but the population will not appreciate it ...
    1. gansales
      gansales 25 February 2022 16: 37
      +2
      Quote: kakvastam
      The saddest thing is that you can’t explain to people that the one who distributes weapons to former non-combatants and installs MLRS installations in residential areas does not protect them at all, rather, on the contrary.
      That is, you will have to get out, trying to avoid civilian casualties, but the population will not appreciate it ...

      I think, as such, there will be no classic assault on Kyiv .. Small groups of RDGs will penetrate (under the guise of locals and with weapons, after all, they were handed out to everyone right and left) And they will simply point-destroy the most greyhounds screaming "glory to Ukraine", etc. .
      1. kakvastam
        kakvastam 25 February 2022 17: 02
        +1
        But the number of criminal trunks from this will not greatly decrease. Banditry will rise, the arms trade will revive ...
        And people will blame Russia for this.
      2. Looking for
        Looking for 25 February 2022 18: 26
        -4
        but you know. how insulting it was to watch Ukrainian videos today with shot Russian DRGs.
  13. Vavilov
    Vavilov 25 February 2022 16: 21
    0
    blockade of the city of Chernihiv

    oh, flyers with railway troops
    without even asking for passports.

    went essny selection
  14. Vovanych007
    Vovanych007 25 February 2022 16: 31
    +4
    Now I think Zelensky realized that KVN was much more fun than SVO.
    1. Alex Nevs
      Alex Nevs 25 February 2022 16: 48
      +2
      Instead of your ATO, get CBO.
  15. north 2
    north 2 25 February 2022 16: 33
    +1
    the discovered MLRS should be destroyed before they fire a salvo at our paratroopers holding the Gostomel airfield. What, the inhabitants of those houses cook borscht in the kitchen and will watch how the MLRS shoots in one gulp. There is a military operation and the inhabitants of Kyiv had time to leave the city. What, they did not understand that denazification involves the mandatory arrest or destruction of Nazi power. And if the main nests of this Nazi power are in Kyiv, then it was necessary for civilians to flee from this Kyiv, and not admire from the fifth floor how the Bandera MLRS would shoot at Russian paratroopers in one gulp. Or maybe the ambition does not allow the horses to drape from the Muscovites from Kyiv? Then all the more it is necessary to cover these RZSO near the houses until they have fired a volley. Russian mercy in war can be costly...
  16. gansales
    gansales 25 February 2022 16: 33
    +12
    announced the blocking of Kiev from the western direction

    I used to love to yell and wave my saber, like we’ll take Kiev in a week, etc.
    Turns out I'm a pessimist wassat was..
    Kiev was surrounded in less than two days, the main military facilities were destroyed by the group of the Armed Forces of Ukraine with the national battalions in the cauldron on the border of the LDNR .. And all this in two days!
    PS I understand that the most difficult thing is the cleanup, but still the Brilliant operation is designed and non-standard. !!!
    God bless our soldiers, they are destroying the neo-Nazi reptile for the truth and for the sake of our descendants. They suffered so much humiliation from these scum and their owners ..
    1. HAM
      HAM 25 February 2022 16: 45
      +2
      You are somewhat mistaken: soon CNN will say that it was on their maps and at the prompt of the General Staff of the Russian Federation that they carried out operations .... drinks
      1. gansales
        gansales 25 February 2022 16: 49
        +4
        Quote: HAM
        You are somewhat mistaken: soon CNN will say that it was on their maps and at the prompt of the General Staff of the Russian Federation that they carried out operations .... drinks

        I understand your sarcasm, that's for sure. good drinks
        Then it turns out that the West has long warned Russia about the Nazis who settled in Kyiv, but we dragged on for 8 years and did nothing, etc. laughing
    2. sbuskets
      sbuskets 25 February 2022 17: 45
      -3
      something doesn’t look like it, they settled in the cities, before the battles for Kiev, they still need to wait for reinforcements from the east, and there ours were far bogged down in battles
  17. Livonetc
    Livonetc 25 February 2022 16: 35
    +1
    Quote: Romul_78
    and in vain they sent the Kadyrovites. This is not Syria. The local population only scare

    They go to deal with the Nazis of Azov.
    Their audio message is available online.
    Listen up
    Orientally polite, intelligible, convincing.
    hi
    1. Alex Nevs
      Alex Nevs 25 February 2022 16: 47
      0
      Yes. It will be fun there. Will go through the sides of the diapers.
    2. VSO-396
      VSO-396 25 February 2022 16: 59
      -15
      Quote: Livonetc
      Quote: Romul_78
      and in vain they sent the Kadyrovites. This is not Syria. The local population only scare

      They go to deal with the Nazis of Azov.
      Their audio message is available online.
      Listen up
      Orientally polite, intelligible, convincing.
      hi

      And therefore, there is already an unspoken order not to take Kadyrovites prisoner.
      1. MMX
        MMX 25 February 2022 18: 45
        +2
        And therefore, there is already an unspoken order not to take Kadyrovites prisoner.

        Logically. Prisoners cannot take other prisoners.
  18. Romul_78
    Romul_78 25 February 2022 16: 36
    -15
    LIGHTNING: Putin is ready to start negotiations with Ukraine

    All sailed
    1. Vavilov
      Vavilov 25 February 2022 16: 46
      0
      proofs? winked if so, we are being fooled
      1. Romul_78
        Romul_78 25 February 2022 16: 46
        -9
        https://svpressa.ru/politic/news/326340/
        1. Vavilov
          Vavilov 25 February 2022 16: 55
          +1
          hi I do not like it
        2. avg avg
          avg avg 25 February 2022 18: 02
          +1
          We found someone to listen to ... that garbage dump!
    2. Paranoid50
      Paranoid50 25 February 2022 17: 44
      +1
      Quote: Romul_78
      sailed

      Fussed, hysterical, eventually sailed somewhere ... request However, remission... laughing
  19. VLR
    VLR 25 February 2022 16: 39
    +4
    Regarding the farewell free gifts of the Nazi regime to its people in the form of machine guns:
    A. Blok, "Twelve:
    "Close the floors,
    Today there will be robberies"
  20. Gust
    Gust 25 February 2022 16: 47
    0
    We need photos of these installations in residential areas ... If so, the world should see the "heroes" and their "protection" of the civilian population ..
    1. Myths
      Myths 25 February 2022 17: 12
      +1
      In Kherson, the same thing happened and there is a video. Europe with their human rights (only what kind of person) us ... be.
  21. VSZMK
    VSZMK 25 February 2022 17: 00
    0
    US intelligence said Kiev would be taken within 92 hours.
  22. tihonmarine
    tihonmarine 25 February 2022 17: 01
    0
    Yulia Tymoshenko, stating that it is dangerous to issue weapons even without documents, since it is not clear who these people are - "perhaps they will go in for looting when many apartments and houses in Kiev are empty."
    From time immemorial, with a difficult situation in the country, a weakening of power, wholesale robbery, banditry began - and then they give you weapons for free for this (or maybe this is done intentionally by the authorities).
  23. BISMARCK94
    BISMARCK94 25 February 2022 17: 06
    -2
    Listen to our Ministry of Defense, they are there for a walk.
    "No losses" (C)
  24. rocket757
    rocket757 25 February 2022 17: 09
    0
    . In this regard, even Yulia Tymoshenko expressed concern, saying that it is dangerous to issue weapons even without documents, since it is not clear who these people are - "perhaps they will go looting when many apartments and houses in Kiev are empty."
    . Well, the most "sweet" huts are just deputy and other "hard-working" faces!!!
    There, not only golden loaves will be found, much more! And the "law enforcement officers" will help them, most likely!
    In general, the result will soon be noticeable to EVERYONE!
    That's just an obvious question ... what to do with all this later, those who will lead and clean up all this mess ???
  25. Alexey G
    Alexey G 25 February 2022 17: 14
    -1
    Yes, I really want to see the work of our unmanned aircraft, both reconnaissance and strike! And vaunted lancets too! Especially for the Nazis hiding in the settlements!
    This high-precision weapon is the best advertisement for our weapons!
    It's time to make money in the war! And it's time to think about what the nation will get from this!
  26. Dzafdet
    Dzafdet 25 February 2022 18: 00
    0
    It will be necessary to surround Kiev and provide humanitarian corridors for the exit, and only then carry out a cleansing operation. And slam the evil dwarf in his palace.
  27. Dzafdet
    Dzafdet 25 February 2022 18: 02
    0
    Quote: North 2
    the discovered MLRS should be destroyed before they fire a salvo at our paratroopers holding the Gostomel airfield. What, the inhabitants of those houses cook borscht in the kitchen and will watch how the MLRS shoots in one gulp. There is a military operation and the inhabitants of Kyiv had time to leave the city. What, they did not understand that denazification involves the mandatory arrest or destruction of Nazi power. And if the main nests of this Nazi power are in Kyiv, then it was necessary for civilians to flee from this Kyiv, and not admire from the fifth floor how the Bandera MLRS would shoot at Russian paratroopers in one gulp. Or maybe the ambition does not allow the horses to drape from the Muscovites from Kyiv? Then all the more it is necessary to cover these RZSO near the houses until they have fired a volley. Russian mercy in war can be costly...



    People are driven away from the trains at the station. Do you think Nazis are stupid? They need a civilian shield.
  28. tolmachiev51
    tolmachiev51 25 February 2022 18: 13
    0
    Too much with weapons, but it looks like agony - maybe someone will protect !!!
  29. 23424636
    23424636 25 February 2022 18: 16
    0
    You understand that lawlessness is being launched by a drug-ridden implant. But the site purrs quietly, giving the opinion of a rare American prostitute Grigyan-kapitelman.
  30. codexgigas
    codexgigas 25 February 2022 18: 20
    0
    At the expense of losses, this is of course not true. There are losses there, and not a few. And the technicians were lost, there are a lot of proofs in the cart.
  31. Looking for
    Looking for 25 February 2022 18: 30
    -2
    Quote from gansales
    Kiev was surrounded in less than two days, the main military facilities were destroyed by the group of the Armed Forces of Ukraine with the national battalions in the cauldron on the border of the LDNR .. And all this in two days!

    Unfortunately, in fact, everything is far from being so good. Even to say, everything is very bad.
    1. MMX
      MMX 25 February 2022 18: 47
      0
      Quote: Seeker
      Quote from gansales
      Kiev was surrounded in less than two days, the main military facilities were destroyed by the group of the Armed Forces of Ukraine with the national battalions in the cauldron on the border of the LDNR .. And all this in two days!

      Unfortunately, in fact, everything is far from being so good. Even to say, everything is very bad.

      What exactly is bad? You know?
  32. opposite28
    opposite28 25 February 2022 20: 30
    0
    In this regard, even Yulia Tymoshenko expressed concern, saying that it is dangerous to issue weapons even without documents, since it is not clear who these people are - "perhaps they will go looting when many apartments and houses in Kiev are empty."
    Even Yulka’s peanuts trembled, she was worried about the real estate of the state and remembered the life of the electorate, the bitch was beautiful. love repeat bully
  33. Roman1970
    Roman1970 25 February 2022 21: 25
    0
    Hmm, about handing out weapons to everyone ..... If this is true, then this is just crazy ...
  34. Andrew's Answer
    Andrew's Answer 25 February 2022 23: 18
    0
    There will be a rampage of banditry, in essence - the policy of the ruling regime of Ukraine for its own people[center]
  35. Arabfun
    Arabfun 26 February 2022 01: 20
    0
    Quote: Alex777
    Redneck Rampage

    so is it a bandit or a businessman
  36. Arabfun
    Arabfun 26 February 2022 02: 41
    0
    Quote: Seeker
    but you know. how insulting it was to watch Ukrainian videos today with shot Russian DRGs.
    yes, they shot their own !!! I thought there were no Urals in Ukraine, so I believed at first! and then I looked at their appeal from the bunker that no, these are fakes about the DRG, then I googled "Ural cars in Ukraine" full of their parts and looked that there was an anti-aircraft gun in the back to shoot down planes ... why do our anti-aircraft guns, if the air is clean, shoot at the floors peaceful?! Maybe after that they warned the people of Kiev from the bunker so that they would not soak their own. Find such anti-aircraft guns in our troops in Ukraine - no! in Russia there are, but in Ukraine they are or not in our Urals, who has anti-aircraft guns? we have 200 helicopters to fight aircraft, why do we need anti-aircraft guns
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  37. Arabfun
    Arabfun 26 February 2022 02: 50
    0
    Quote: Roman1970
    Hmm, about handing out weapons to everyone ..... If this is true, then this is just crazy ...

    it was planned, for the riots according to the Kazakh scenario, to sow chaos, and indeed in such a war a typical situation is when, by mistake, "Mavlyar officially announced that the Russian military seized several cars and other equipment of the Armed Forces of Ukraine, changed into Ukrainian uniforms and rush to the center of the capital from Obolon (Obolonsky district of Kyiv)." "After some time, the information from Mavlyar was refuted by other Ukrainian functionaries - David Arakhamia and Oleksiy Arestovich. But it was already too late and something urgently needed to be done with the bodies of Ukrainian soldiers (for ethical reasons, we do not show photos). Literally immediately, the Ukrainian authorities began to actively spread a fake about the destruction of Russian saboteurs in Kyiv, thereby covering themselves."
    or deliberately wet their own
  38. vlad forged
    vlad forged 26 February 2022 07: 17
    +1
    Shoigu was summoned to the Kyiv court - Shoigu arrived hello!
  39. tech3030
    tech3030 26 February 2022 10: 24
    0
    God forbid that there would be as few losses as possible ...
  40. Arabfun
    Arabfun 27 February 2022 04: 19
    0
    Quote: BISMARCK94
    Listen to our Ministry of Defense, they are there for a walk.
    "No losses" (C)
    this photo with the Ukrainian Urals exposed two fakes at once - the Ukrainians shot not the DRG, but their anti-aircraft gunners in Kyiv, and the fake from the mt-lb in Konotop has a round symbol on board here and there
    see telegram channel "War against fakes"
  41. Arabfun
    Arabfun 27 February 2022 05: 09
    0
    whose helmet is this? ours, Ukrainian, German, American .. they say that the Russian Guard, but I don’t agree, it closes up to their necks, which is logical, but these are mechanized military units, I bow Ukrainian



    It looks like it’s not Russian, which means a video where the burnt military men on the bridge of the river. Irpin is the Ukrainian military, while one of the Ukrainians is filming a video and shouting that this is the Russian Guard. Ukrainian helmet.
    1. Repellent
      Repellent 27 February 2022 05: 16
      +1
      Quote: Arabfun
      whose helmet is this? .. claim that the Russian Guard

      A simple question: what should the Russian Guard do in Ukraine?
  42. Arabfun
    Arabfun 27 February 2022 05: 50
    0
    Quote: Repellent
    Quote: Arabfun
    whose helmet is this? .. claim that the Russian Guard

    A simple question: what should the Russian Guard do in Ukraine?

    it was an eyewitness shouting, and I’m here at the computer ... but the Ukrainian helmet closes more in height from the sides


    it seemed to me that in the cart they did not convincingly prove that this was a fake, where terrible shots of burned +18 .. .
    with a konotop it’s easier there is a round Ukrainian sign O, not Z
    Irpen - there on a helmet and maybe a machine gun
    and it looks like an airstrike on the destruction from above
    the weather seemed to meet the requirements, although it was winter, but it was dry and above zero for almost a week there
    1. Repellent
      Repellent 27 February 2022 06: 05
      +2
      Quote: Arabfun
      Irpin

      I have seen these footage. And then he asked what the Russian Guard was doing there. The question is rhetorical, the National Guard could not be there. It's fake.