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Farewell, old Ukraine!

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It is very peculiar to write about peace and peaceful prospects to the roar of Su-34s flying over the house from the Baltimore airfield, which is one and a half kilometers away. But we will talk about what will happen tomorrow, because "today" for Ukraine is actually over.


It is very pleasant to realize that the alignment on the air defense of Ukraine, which we made just recently, was completely justified. And all that is left to hope for in the Armed Forces of Ukraine is the Stingers, which we honestly admit, weapon close combat and in modern realities will not be as useful as we would like.

What we have in fact: the half-dead air defense system of Ukraine could not oppose anything to Russian aircraft and missiles. Now the air over Ukraine is at the complete disposal of the Russian Aerospace Forces, and one can seriously propose to stop even the appearance of resistance, because the tasks set will still be completed, it will just be more painful for the Armed Forces of Ukraine.

All these stories about the beautiful and mobile infantry of the Armed Forces of Ukraine, which will fight without tanks and BMP very bravely and effectively, were funny until February 24th. Today they look tragic, because even the Stingers (which still need to be able to use), if they reach the troops, will not be able to protect this infantry.

I would not want stupid losses and unnecessary deaths due to stupidity. But in general, the Ukrainian military, ships, according to the Ministry of Defense, do not ask for trouble and do not try to play Rambo.

This, in principle, was to be expected.

And now, when all our analytical calculations, which said that the Armed Forces of Ukraine are not capable of anything, are being confirmed, it is worth doing forecasts for the future.

After all, no matter what, we want Ukraine to have a future, don't we?

1. Despite all the promises and statements of Zelensky, the Armed Forces of Ukraine will not be able to provide absolutely no sane resistance. Separately taken units can still portray something heroic, but in general the APU will run as they did in other situations.

2. President Poroshenko entered history Ukraine, as having lost Crimea, President Zelensky will go down in history as having lost Donbass. And not only Donbass, perhaps.

Yes, Zelensky’s night performance was very good, but to recall that “together we fought a common enemy” from the lips of the president of a country where monuments to those who fought are being demolished – sorry, looks shameful and cowardly.

3. The West will not help Ukraine. It is obvious. Sanctions, super sanctions, mega sanctions. Ukraine is not a NATO country, so no one will stand up for it. Yes, and there is no infrastructure in Ukraine that would allow the effective use of NATO forces.

And here everything looks rather sad for the old Ukraine.

But there are also some very positive things.

If the Russian army begins to act according to the Georgian scenario (naturally, having improved it), then there will be nothing terrible. Yes, some of the military facilities have already been destroyed, something will be ground in the process.

By the way, in the case of Georgia, it sounded like "peace enforcement", now the process can be called "humanity enforcement".

And no shelling of cities with civilians. What the residents of Donetsk, Gorlovka, Yasinovataya and other settlements of the LDNR experienced, the residents of Ukraine will obviously not have to worry about.

The Russian army has already shown that it can work accurately, so there is no need to worry. The main source of concern is the Ukrainians themselves. What they bred on the Internet cannot be called anything other than mega-panic. He himself was a participant in a very intensive information exchange between Zaporozhye, Ternopil, Slavyansk, Kiev and Kharkov.

In Slavyansk they talked about the landing on Odessa, in Kiev they talked about the captured Mariupol and the landing in Kharkov, and so on. And there is no need for enemies, the Ukrainians themselves did a good job of organizing panic in the country.

So what's next.

After the Armed Forces of Ukraine are seated to sit and think about the situation, they will take up the terbats. Everything is simple there: you went to the battalion - you are already guilty. The only question is how much.

The government and the Rada will not have to be especially cleaned up, so those who are not in order with their nerves and the past will wind up on their own earlier. It will just be necessary to replace the vacant seats with more sane people with whom you can conduct a dialogue.

By the way, such a person as Mykola Azarov may well be useful to Ukraine. Yes, age, but an old horse is unlikely to spoil such a furrow as Ukraine. And the former twice Prime Minister of Ukraine is the person who can be heard and listened to in Ukraine.

But if Ukraine does not like the age-old Azarov, well, there is a younger candidate. Well-known to all Anatoly Shariy, who was in opposition to both Poroshenko and Zelensky. Why not use it?

In principle, in any country (with rare exceptions), where the population is more than one million people, you can find a certain number of sane and intelligent people with whom you can conduct a dialogue. And Ukraine is absolutely no exception.

But the frankly fascist elite of Ukraine had to be changed, and it should have been changed a long time ago.

Next we have the gentlemen of the Nazis. They also need to be taken seriously. Indeed, those who arranged everything there in May 2014 should answer for Odessa. And for all other things too. Here, of course, the SBU should work, they already know all this brethren, but there can also be many questions for the SBU.

And without these "Yes, I followed the order ...". Eichmann also said so, but it turned out how it turned out ...

Naturally, the issue of shelling the DNR and LNR will be removed. As well as the issue of the status of the republics will be removed. By the way, in the conditions of the new Ukraine, it will be possible to easily fulfill all the Minsk agreements. I don't see any barriers to this. Amnesties, Russian language, special status…

And, by the way, an amnesty or simply the destruction of the “non grata” lists from among those who supported the LDNR from the “Peacemaker” base.

In principle - that's all the problems. Then only the positives begin.

The main oil and gas problem of Ukraine will be solved. Due to the resumption of good-neighbourly relations between the two countries (if resumed), oil and gas will again be at the disposal of Ukraine and its inhabitants.

Ukrainian workers of Nikolaev will receive orders for the construction of ships. We need warships, especially if in Ukraine they have not forgotten how to build them and have not plundered factories.

The Nikolaev association "Zorya-Mashproekt" will be able to build engines for these ships again.

Zaporozhye (and not only Zaporozhye) engine builders from Motor Sich will receive stable orders for engines.

And most importantly, after cleaning up everything that the Nazis had done in the country, it is possible and necessary to open the borders. So that people can freely conduct business and visit relatives.

If the price for this is a certain number of spaced military facilities on the territory of Ukraine - why not pay?

Moreover, after all these measures to restore order, peace will finally reign in the Donbass. And it will be possible to calmly and jointly (naturally, these are not Russian barrels hollowed out in Donetsk all this time) to restore the Donbass.

Together, this means by the forces of Ukraine, but under the supervision of Russia. Of course, assistance will be provided, but not in such a way that we will restore at our own expense what we destroyed the Armed Forces of Ukraine.

There will be a lot of questions, especially to those who have successfully butchered all these years. But this does not mean at all that some kind of bloody terror will begin there, naturally, no.

It was just one big abscess, called the Nazi clique at the head of Ukraine. The abscess did not break through on its own, it had to be opened. But otherwise it was simply unrealistic to solve these problems, which have sprung up mainly at the expense of the Ukrainian side.

Solving a problem like this is also solving a problem. The prospect that exists in such a situation is not the worst prospect for Ukraine.

February 24, 2022 was an epochal day. We can definitely say goodbye to the old Ukraine. And it would be very nice to greet the new Ukraine from the bottom of our hearts. No Nazism, no fascism, no shelling of Donbass, no closed borders.
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  1. Vladimir_2U
    Vladimir_2U 24 February 2022 11: 32
    +23
    Naturally, the issue of shelling the DNR and LNR will be removed.
    The minimum program is completed! Congratulations, comrades!
    1. Flooding
      Flooding 24 February 2022 11: 41
      +26
      I sincerely wish Ukraine to get rid of the yellow-blaky symbolism.
      With "not yet died" and a trident, there can be no questions.
    2. SRC P-15
      SRC P-15 24 February 2022 11: 42
      +18
      Quote: Vladimir_2U
      The minimum program is completed! Congratulations, comrades!

      Russia's first "military-technical response" to the West! Wind on your mustache striped!
    3. Ingvar 72
      Ingvar 72 24 February 2022 11: 44
      +5
      Quote: Vladimir_2U
      The minimum program is completed!

      There is no minimum program. If we limit ourselves to two areas, everything will be as before. It needs to be completely demolished, as Strelkov says. Another question - what's next? The rise of the economy, the corralling into Kadyrov's stall, the restoration of medicine, education, industry, and culture? Or again the redistribution of wealth from some oligarchs to others?
      1. Vladimir_2U
        Vladimir_2U 24 February 2022 11: 54
        +15
        Quote: Ingvar 72
        There is no minimum program.
        Why do you think so? There may not be a maximum program, but the minimum, as I see it, IS, and it has already been completed. The women and children of Lugansk and Donetsk will not hide in basements from shelling already well. If you are against this, then it is a pity.
        1. Ingvar 72
          Ingvar 72 24 February 2022 12: 06
          +12
          Quote: Vladimir_2U
          If you are against this, then it is a pity.

          Why do you think so? I am opposed to limiting ourselves to half-measures. Otherwise, a hostile state will remain on our border. Geopolitically so-so achievement.
          1. Vladimir_2U
            Vladimir_2U 24 February 2022 13: 48
            +2
            Quote: Ingvar 72
            Why do you think so? I am opposed to limiting ourselves to half-measures.
            I'm glad I was wrong!
          2. Serg65
            Serg65 25 February 2022 08: 07
            +4
            Quote: Ingvar 72
            I'm against limiting myself to half-measures

            what Just yesterday, Igor, you were an ardent pacifist... how the world is changing rapidly! And yes ... the nationalist Strelkov is so revered by the Communists?
            1. Ingvar 72
              Ingvar 72 25 February 2022 08: 32
              +1
              I still think this is a big mistake. But if a fight has already begun, you need to fight to the end.
              1. Serg65
                Serg65 25 February 2022 08: 48
                +4
                Quote: Ingvar 72
                I still think it's a big mistake

                We can think anything, but our thoughts have little effect on changes in the world around us. The world is changing dramatically ... and very quickly! As a result of the reset, Ukraine will be under complete Russian influence and there is no way for it to go away, America will no longer help it ... and it won’t be able to!
                1. Ingvar 72
                  Ingvar 72 25 February 2022 08: 50
                  +1
                  Where will the people go? Forgotten the saying that you can't be nice by force?
                  1. Serg65
                    Serg65 25 February 2022 08: 59
                    +4
                    Quote: Ingvar 72
                    Where will the people go?

                    stay in place!
                    Quote: Ingvar 72
                    Forgotten the saying that you can't be nice by force?

                    Mercy is brought up only by fair force...and nothing else!
                    1. Civil
                      Civil 25 February 2022 09: 18
                      -1
                      Quote: Serg65
                      Mercy is brought up only by fair force...and nothing else!

                      If there are no questions with a military victory. Ukraine as it exists now will soon disappear, but the big question of a hostile population, Chechnya-2, is looming. Also support, protect, and they will officially squeeze out all Russians gradually, as in Chechnya.
                      1. Serg65
                        Serg65 25 February 2022 09: 56
                        +4
                        Quote: Civil
                        big question about hostile population

                        Igor, if the leader is removed from the pack of dogs. dogs become more obedient. In addition, the hostility of the population is greatly exaggerated by the media and the Internet community.
                        Quote: Civil
                        Chechnya - 2 looms

                        And how did it end? In addition, Ukrainians are not much Czechs!
                        Quote: Civil
                        all Russians will be officially squeezed out gradually, as in Chechnya.

                        You personally can safely go to Chechnya and just as calmly return home without any excesses!
                        Quote: Civil
                        Also contain

                        Start the industry, fill the stomachs and there will be happiness and prosperity! In Crimea, they haven’t brought them to Russian laws so far all their lives, the same dissatisfied people were decent, but right now they don’t even want to remember pre-Russian life.
        2. Grim Reaper
          Grim Reaper 24 February 2022 17: 30
          +4
          My matchmaker is from Lugansk. I've been visiting in the fall. What makes you think that in recent years they have been: "hiding in the basements from shelling" You should not believe everything in the media. But yes, the issue should have been resolved back in 2014.
          And even now they are not going from Lugansk to Yekaterinburg. Although he called and offered if everything was so bad. Not as bad as the media
          1. Vladimir_2U
            Vladimir_2U 24 February 2022 17: 59
            +6
            Quote: Grim Reaper
            What makes you think that in recent years they: "hiding in the basements from shelling"
            Your matchmaker may not have been hiding, if only because Luhansk is about 18 km from edge to edge and not every gun, and even more so a mortar, will throw a projectile at such a distance, even if it shoots from the very outskirts.
            Well, Lugansk settlements in L / DPR are not limited.
    4. antivirus
      antivirus 24 February 2022 12: 26
      0
      To the new Deputy Minister of Culture .... or information --- Glory!
      no kidding.. . many locals and those who left there from the outskirts of Voronezh, Kursk, Belgorod, Rostov - for positions in Kiev
    5. Thrifty
      Thrifty 24 February 2022 16: 22
      +9
      A novel, that Azarov, that Shariy are worthy of felling the forest beyond the Urals! It is from such Azarova Shariy that their Rada consists. It is mortally dangerous to allow a vegetable that is Yanyk to power, death with an atomic kasa, and all those who light up in their political freak show. Zakharchenko would be there, perhaps one of our military personnel in the reserve! They need a completely pro-Russian minded person, with intelligence and initiative. And, in any case, local authorities are contraindicated - they will sell us to the West for thirty euroshekels ...
      1. boni592807
        boni592807 26 February 2022 01: 49
        0
        Thrifty, February 24, 2022 16:22 PM, - "... Zakharchenko would be there, perhaps one of our regular military men in the reserve! They need a completely pro-Russian minded person, with intelligence and initiative. And, local authorities are contraindicated in any case - they will sell us to the West for thirty euroshekels ..."

        Do not learn history, colleague. To put those whom the Nazis spread rot, killed, burned relatives .... These will not be forgotten ...Well, there are reliable ones (Yermolovs), Starichkov and those who fought, from those places or relatives there ...
        Immediately share resettled raguli и locals to work with... Even in Nazi Germany, not everyone knew about the level of sadism in the "liberated" territories, work on counter-propaganda (from the plundered economy, this was APPRECIATED by many in the Okraiina, full information on the Nazis and the Armed Forces of Ukraine in Dombas, Odessa, and other places).
        Of course, prevention is better than cure. but there were metastases even under the USSR, who is darling Kravchuk and the like
        Yes Zepad project - Oh, the country bully it's time to CHANGE to historical Little Russia with the return of the Russian mentality - Little Russian, and not a Westerner - a Rogul - Bandera - a Nazi. am
    6. Vend
      Vend 24 February 2022 18: 20
      +1
      Do not see you again!
  2. Vavilov
    Vavilov 24 February 2022 11: 32
    +11
    this is a blow to the omerigi in the first place, still to cool the hot northern neighbors of the Balts
    1. Hypertension
      Hypertension 24 February 2022 12: 32
      +1
      Omeriga across the ocean. To sacrifice a pawn to her is a waste of time. And she will give up the Balts without hesitation in exchange.
      1. Cheshire
        Cheshire 24 February 2022 12: 43
        +3
        Quote: Hyperion
        And she will give up the Balts without hesitation in exchange.

        I wonder when it dawns on them that they can be next if they ask long and hard.
        1. Hypertension
          Hypertension 24 February 2022 12: 52
          0
          Quote: Cheshire
          they could be as follows

          Next in what sense? A nuclear power with a strong fleet, after all.
          1. Cheshire
            Cheshire 24 February 2022 13: 18
            +2
            Quote: Hyperion
            Next in what sense?

            The next ones, in the sense that if the Balts have enough foolishness to ask for the role of collective Ukraine-2.0 for a long time, as a result, you can get a land corridor to Kaliningrad. Well, almost without Poland)
            hi
            1. Hypertension
              Hypertension 24 February 2022 13: 52
              +3
              And, you're talking about the Baltic states...These yes. They can easily jump.
            2. nikon7717
              nikon7717 24 February 2022 23: 45
              0
              When Prussia was divided, about a third was given to Lithuania. They gave the leadership of the USSR because of the port of Klaipeda (Memel), because. Lithuania did not have its own port. In general, they did not deserve these territories. Can I return.
        2. Beregovic_1
          Beregovic_1 25 February 2022 00: 10
          -8
          The Tribals are members of NATO. It will not work. I feel that in a couple of days everyone’s enthusiasm will subside and sobering will come. The hell did you get in there? Now a century to rake in isolation. It would be better if they blocked the pipe .... And work trips.
  3. Aerodrome
    Aerodrome 24 February 2022 11: 34
    +14
    it’s not harmful to dream, as they say, but, Roman, I advise you to remember how long Germany turned into a Nazi one, and how long, in Ukraine, the population, and especially young people, were processed. so..."dreams...dreams..where is your sweetness.." it's complicated.
    1. 210ox
      210ox 24 February 2022 11: 53
      +11
      Nevertheless, I believe that Putin was right to call for "decommunization." In terms of the fact that we do not need SUCH Ukraine, and even the inhabitants themselves .. There must be Little Russia. Even as an autonomous republic within Russia. With Odessa, Nikolaev, Zaporozhye, etc.
      1. pin_code
        pin_code 24 February 2022 15: 53
        +5
        Only certain regions, not any republics ...
    2. Sergey2809
      Sergey2809 24 February 2022 11: 55
      0
      Well, the rollback was quite fast in the 45th.
    3. tihonmarine
      tihonmarine 24 February 2022 12: 23
      +7
      Quote: Aerodrome
      , for how long Germany turned into Nazi, and how long, in Ukraine, the population was processed

      Germany from 1923 to 1933 turned into a Nazi, only 10 years, and in Ukraine this period was from 1991 to 2014, already 23 years old, and in that time a new generation has grown up, who are now 32 years old and they already have children in school went. This is the most able-bodied and combat-ready population of any country. This is what Ukraine will have to live with for decades, and Russia must not forget this.
  4. Ross xnumx
    Ross xnumx 24 February 2022 11: 35
    +5
    February 24, 2022 was an epochal day.

    What can I say?
  5. Sergey Tkach
    Sergey Tkach 24 February 2022 11: 43
    0
    Roman, all right!
    1. Bad_gr
      Bad_gr 24 February 2022 13: 42
      +3
      Naturally, the issue of shelling the DNR and LNR will be removed. As well as the issue of the status of the republics will be removed. By the way, in the conditions of the new Ukraine, it will be possible to easily fulfill all the Minsk agreements. I don't see any barriers to this. Amnesties, Russian language, special status…...

      That is, to return again under the roof of Ukraine, and again become dependent on those who come to power there?
      It is more natural to go further and request to be part of Russia, as was the case with Crimea, especially since the first steps in this direction have already been taken (the regions of Ukraine have become independent republics that already have the right to do this)
  6. fiv
    fiv 24 February 2022 11: 43
    +11
    I think that the future in the article is described too rosy and beneficial for Ukraine. With such great confidence in the Russian Federation, this country will not be treated for a long time. Yes, and we will not pull such expenses. We will start the processes of demilitarization, denazification (much more difficult) and leave.
    1. antivirus
      antivirus 24 February 2022 12: 28
      -3
      it is also necessary to take money for the urgent construction of the Crimean bridge - 19 km and 100 km approaches.
      what about sanctions? lost profits?
      1. Cheshire
        Cheshire 24 February 2022 13: 22
        0
        Quote: antivirus
        it is also necessary to take money for the urgent construction of the Crimean bridge - 19 km and 100 km approaches.
        what about sanctions? lost profits?

        hi We are not the same as in the West, right? We have no goal of launching 404 around the world, anyway, there is no one to feed except us.
  7. rocket757
    rocket757 24 February 2022 11: 43
    +5
    But we will talk about what will happen tomorrow, because "today" for Ukraine is actually over.
    . Any state, first and foremost, is people who consider this territory their homeland.
    This is what you should think about now, and EVERYONE, from any side!
    1. Reptiloid
      Reptiloid 24 February 2022 13: 03
      +2
      Quote: rocket757
      .... Any state, first and foremost, is people who consider this territory their homeland ....

      hi hello, Viktor! hi I want to add --- they consider their homeland and want transformations, improvements, for this they are trying their best. Under the USSR, this happened twice. They called --- the Soviet economic miracle. Recovery, development after the Civil War, also after the Second World War.
      How prepared are people for this?
      1. rocket757
        rocket757 24 February 2022 13: 22
        +1
        Hi Dmitry soldier
        When they chose greenery, they also hoped for transformations ... alas, alas, politicians, this is one of the oldest professions, with all the ensuing consequences.
        Alas, alas, they chose with their ears and from movie clips !!!
        Although it was clear that there would be no talk!
        BUT they went against the former, stealing, got new ones, even worse!
        It often happens, unfortunately.
        1. Reptiloid
          Reptiloid 24 February 2022 13: 47
          +2
          .... chose greens ....

          Apparently, the scale of propaganda, mass hysteria, . among young people, apparently strongly. No wonder the sick Greta was launched
          ,,, you deprived us .. you took away from us .....

          Such refrains, forcing .... like one young man on TV --- I want a family, children, but this spoils the environment ... I don’t know how to be. And he really suffered from the insoluble
          1. rocket757
            rocket757 24 February 2022 13: 57
            +2
            Brain cleansing comes from a very, very, early age.
            Alas, alas, even normal, adequate parents need a lot of effort to level the influence of mass culture and propaganda!!!
            But there is no other way ... if we want to have normal, adequate descendants, hope and support later, and not a wild, inadequate herd!
            Now they themselves, only themselves, must take care of their future.
  8. ODERVIT
    ODERVIT 24 February 2022 11: 46
    +13
    One can agree with the opinion of Roman. But...
    No one else will ever place orders for the military-industrial complex in Ukraine. Yourself is more expensive.
    1. Alex Nevs
      Alex Nevs 24 February 2022 11: 52
      +3
      Not exactly like that, of course. But. To cast some blanks or "to edit half-slopes of wagons with a file", why not.
  9. Yuri V.A
    Yuri V.A 24 February 2022 11: 46
    +11
    This abscess had to be opened back in the fourteenth year, and now the main thing is to finish what we started and not be led to any calls for a truce
  10. Galleon
    Galleon 24 February 2022 11: 46
    +2
    History shows that Nazi or fascist regimes are opened only from the outside, there is no chance from the inside.
  11. Cosmemedic
    Cosmemedic 24 February 2022 11: 47
    -10
    No, there will be nothing of the kind in terms of the Renaissance. The printing press is not in Russia. And in general, the fukitide trap arose precisely because of this machine and the Bretton Woods system))
  12. musketon64
    musketon64 24 February 2022 11: 47
    +8
    Now it becomes clear why the Americans evacuated their missions and military specialists so hastily. And we thought that panic was catching up. Surely ours warned them in advance so that there would be no unnecessary excesses.
  13. tatarin1972
    tatarin1972 24 February 2022 11: 50
    +12
    Now the most interesting thing will begin, changing shoes in the air, they will hand over each other, if not worse.
    1. Sergei Fonov
      Sergei Fonov 24 February 2022 13: 25
      +5
      Already started. Karasev used to say that if the Russian language becomes the state language, then a war could break out in the country. Now is silent. They say Farion wrote a statement asking her to be reinstated in the CPSU, asking her to count the time of independence as a period of work in the underground.
      1. Kisa
        Kisa 24 February 2022 13: 46
        -3
        funny ... and also Zelya announced mobilization and their cops distribute weapons upon presentation of a passport ... haha
  14. Dmitry V.
    Dmitry V. 24 February 2022 11: 51
    +3
    Zaporozhye (and not only Zaporozhye) engine builders from Motor Sich will receive stable orders for engines.

    Acoustic author - Motor Sich China owns Beijing Skyrizon (Skyrizon Aircraft Holdings).
  15. Rutrick
    Rutrick 24 February 2022 11: 51
    +7
    It seems to me, no matter what, to relax and toss up caps early. Let's put aside the fact that what is happening is a tragedy. We must hope that we will be able to bring everything to the end as quickly as possible. People are sorry. This is just the beginning, in every sense.
  16. Sergey2809
    Sergey2809 24 February 2022 11: 52
    +4
    I didn’t understand what kind of statehood and the state of Ukraine we can talk about, what kind of people are the SBU, the Armed Forces of Ukraine, what kind of negotiations?
    Are we going to the Western borders or not?!
    1. maksbazhin
      maksbazhin 24 February 2022 12: 18
      +4
      What will we do in Lvov or Ivano-Frankivsk? Even with Kiev it is not clear ... Maximum search and arrest of war criminals. PS where su .. ka Turchinov?
      1. Vadim237
        Vadim237 24 February 2022 12: 39
        -3
        Installation of pro-Russian authorities and removal of all neobanders from Ukraine.
      2. Sergey2809
        Sergey2809 24 February 2022 13: 09
        0
        We left part of the territory, the viper will be there, but do we need it?
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  17. Flooding
    Flooding 24 February 2022 11: 55
    +2
    Roman, so we are neighbors!
    However, I can't hear planes.
    Excellent article.
    How much can be assessed by not reading very carefully. It is difficult to concentrate on reading when such events occur.
    I agree about Azarov.
    I think his team is ready.
  18. Emergency
    Emergency 24 February 2022 11: 55
    +1
    Change the top, give them the opportunity to work. As they will now have a muddy business with the West, ours may have to and will be spent. And in fifteen or twenty years, they will again want "lace panties." And there is no way to change it, to avoid it. Their nature is like that. One big plus will be that they can’t see the Donbass like their own ears. It would not be bad to "decommunize" Odessa and the Kherson region to Russia. But it's in the order of dreams. winked
    1. Sergey2809
      Sergey2809 24 February 2022 13: 11
      +1
      Well, if a piece of Hungary and Poland is torn off from Ukraine, and we rename ours to Little Russia, then nothing will happen, you can’t be offended by the whole world.
  19. Vavilov
    Vavilov 24 February 2022 11: 56
    +3
    I completely agree, there will be no occupation, they will leave, but! they will change the top, clean it from the Nazis and let them live under our supervision, and not under Amer’s control
    1. Sergey2809
      Sergey2809 24 February 2022 22: 12
      0
      Again from wallowing in this swamp, it's in their blood, and Polish blood
      1. Vavilov
        Vavilov 24 February 2022 22: 24
        0
        not only Polish, there are also Tatar and Jewish and Lithuanian
  20. Alex Nevs
    Alex Nevs 24 February 2022 11: 57
    +7
    First of all, in Luhansk or Donetsk, the War Criminals Tribunal (which is at the moment). And in the media, the Internet as quickly as possible. This will be a real epiphany for EVERYONE.
    1. Alexander Salenko
      Alexander Salenko 24 February 2022 20: 12
      0
      Definitely there, they have no moratorium on the death penalty.
  21. Luminman
    Luminman 24 February 2022 11: 59
    +15
    I hope to see powder, Zelensky and other sharovary g ... but in the dock. It would still be necessary to look for various Gordons and those responsible for burning people alive in Odessa ...
    1. Alex Nevs
      Alex Nevs 24 February 2022 20: 16
      +1
      Everyone in the DNR and LNR is waiting for the WAR CRIMINALS TRIBUNAL.
  22. Drako
    Drako 24 February 2022 11: 59
    +28
    Thank you, I'm from Zhytomyr, release us too. Change the main school curriculum, more and better stories, and return the Soviet heroes so that there is something to be proud of, and not any Bandera.
    1. prior
      prior 24 February 2022 12: 20
      +6
      Don't worry, countryman.
      Let's not forget about Zhitomir or Berdichev.
      Half of Russian Jews come from those parts.
      That you sho. How can you forget?!
    2. Blackbeard
      Blackbeard 24 February 2022 18: 26
      +1
      it's good to hear someone adequate
  23. woffka
    woffka 24 February 2022 12: 02
    +3
    plus +++++++
  24. tihonmarine
    tihonmarine 24 February 2022 12: 04
    +2
    February 24, 2022 was an epochal day. We can definitely say goodbye to the old Ukraine. And it would be very nice to greet the new Ukraine from the bottom of our hearts.

    Agree. Thanks Roman for the article, it came out on time. Short and clear.
  25. Drako
    Drako 24 February 2022 12: 04
    +6
    And yes, happy holiday) Let it be yesterday, but it has become relevant)
  26. laws70
    laws70 24 February 2022 12: 07
    +1
    Ukraine has an external debt of 20 billion non-rubles (thanks to Poroshenko and Zelensky). Who will give it?
    1. Alex Nevs
      Alex Nevs 24 February 2022 20: 19
      0
      waltzman. sell roshenka.
  27. Vavilov
    Vavilov 24 February 2022 12: 10
    +5
    Ukraine was a base of fooling, which was preparing for a future bloody war, it was destroyed, thereby saving our children, grandchildren, and Ukrainians from death, this is a very correct, maybe belated decision
  28. prior
    prior 24 February 2022 12: 18
    +7
    Ukraine cannot be revived in any form.
    In place of Ukraine, another country with a different name should be formed.
    From Ukraine, from Ukrainianism, nothing should remain, as from the fascist Reich and fascist ideology.
    New Russia and the ideology of the brotherhood of the Slavic peoples - this is what should be revived in the place of the former Ukraine.
    The words Ukraine, Ukrainian, Ukrainianism and all the rest with a Ukrainian root - should be put on a par with the words - Nazism, fascism, Hitler, Himmler, war.
    1. Alex Nevs
      Alex Nevs 24 February 2022 20: 21
      +1
      Many People's Republics. And in the future Many voices in the UN. Like with Yugoslavia.
  29. viktortarianik
    viktortarianik 24 February 2022 12: 33
    +3
    The article is too optimistic about the restoration of industry in Ukraine. Almost all factories and shipyards are old (nothing has been built in 30 years) or scrapped.
    1. Alex Nevs
      Alex Nevs 24 February 2022 20: 24
      0
      Come on. Let's break through. Not 45g.
  30. UVB
    UVB 24 February 2022 13: 21
    +5

    Naturally, the issue of shelling the DNR and LNR will be removed. As well as the issue of the status of the republics will be removed. By the way, in the conditions of the new Ukraine, it will be possible to easily fulfill all the Minsk agreements.
    What Minsk! What special status?! LPR and DPR are independent states recognized by the Russian Federation! Let Ukraine be at least three times white and fluffy, that's enough! The very word Ukraine is hateful!
    1. Alex Nevs
      Alex Nevs 24 February 2022 20: 25
      -1
      I am for Many People's Republics.
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  32. Per se.
    Per se. 24 February 2022 13: 40
    +6
    February 24, 2022 was an epochal day. We can definitely say goodbye to the old Ukraine. And it would be very nice to greet the new Ukraine from the bottom of our hearts.

    Roman, a very optimistic article, but what is happening is not only "goodbye old Ukraine", saying "A", now we have to go to the end, to the complete "reformatting", both of Ukraine and Russia, of all our relations with the West.

    We have entered what is called the "point of no return" or, even, "dashing time." It must be understood that this is not a "Crimean extravaganza", and in order to win it will be necessary to change the social system, Russian capitalism will not pull out the confrontation with the West, only socialism. Is our president ready to restore justice not only in Ukraine?
    There is no way back, we need to create a new, real pole of power, independent of the West, the WTO and the IMF, the clans of the world's super billionaire ghouls. Therefore, I would also say "goodbye old Russia." For us now, either a complete victory, without half-measures, or failure.
    1. Drako
      Drako 24 February 2022 14: 17
      +2
      This is not happening out of the blue.... I see 6 years of preparation, at least, and it's nice to understand. Yes, it’s late, but we prepared in such a way that you won’t dig in, which means there is a further plan. I would like to believe that it will be implemented.
  33. your vsr 66-67
    your vsr 66-67 24 February 2022 14: 23
    +15
    That's how you want, but I do not believe in the right Ukraine! They will quiet down, hide until some time and .... everything will start all over again! Believe me, I am not a nationalist, but from the height of the years I have lived, I can’t even imagine that a Ukrainian (real, not Russified) will ever come to terms with today! He will hold even more anger!
    ps. I imagine how much I will fly now. But I can't express my opinion.
    1. Per se.
      Per se. 24 February 2022 14: 43
      +6
      Quote: your vsr 66-67
      from the height of the years I have lived, I can’t even imagine that a Ukrainian (real, not Russified) will ever come to terms with today!

      There are no "Russified Ukrainians", there are "Polished" Russians. When creating the USSR, it was not necessary to use the word "Ukraine" (to the delight of those like Hrushevsky), there would have been a union of Belarus, Little Russia and Great Russia.
      The abscess is long overdue, it's time to understand that we are one Russian people. The nationalists, like their surzhik, are a pseudo-language for a pseudo-country, sucked from the finger. That they will not reconcile themselves, Bandera, let them think somewhere in Poland, whose slaves they were in life.
  34. bandabas
    bandabas 24 February 2022 15: 32
    +1
    Yeah. It would have been better if he didn't mention his grandfather. Grandfather was a man, unlike his grandson-kvnschik.
  35. Cats
    Cats 24 February 2022 15: 51
    +5
    After all, no matter what, we want Ukraine to have a future, don't we?


    No, we don't want to! Why the hell are we, this is an artificially created territorial entity, with invented ones: nation, language, history, etc. Yes, some more, a short time, the so-called. Ukraine will exist in order to settle the internal situation, and then everything, Novorossia and Little Russia (Chervonnaya Rus) - into native pinatas, into Russia. good
    1. Drako
      Drako 24 February 2022 19: 35
      0
      As I say, the borders in the Zhytomyr and Volyn regions, .... and in general, do not distract, write on business.
  36. Karabin
    Karabin 24 February 2022 19: 49
    +2
    It is very peculiar to write about the world and peaceful prospects
    It's too early to share the fat of an underslaughtered pig.
    By the way, in the conditions of the new Ukraine, it will be possible to easily fulfill all the Minsk agreements. I don't see any barriers to this. Amnesties, Russian language, special status…
    Roman believes in a beautiful new Ukraine!? Me not. Ukraine has always been, is and will be Anti-Russia. And the longer, the more. No matter who replaces the clown, sooner or later everything will return to normal. If the will, strength and ability are not enough to eliminate it, then at least reduce it to a safe size by depriving it of access to the sea. Implementation of the Minsk agreements, special status and TA-DAM amnesty?! This is beyond my understanding! 8 years of war for an amnesty? Amnesty cancels punishment, but implies guilt. So what are the Donetsk residents to blame for, Roman?
  37. DienBienPhu
    DienBienPhu 24 February 2022 20: 28
    +2
    After all, it is very difficult to change the consciousness of the Ukrainian people, look at Cambodia, today their people have a mentality of hatred towards the Vietnamese people, although the Vietnamese volunteer army moved to overthrow Pol Pot to help him.
    1. Usher
      Usher 25 February 2022 02: 58
      +1
      The result of US policy.
  38. DED_peer_DED
    DED_peer_DED 24 February 2022 21: 05
    +2
    "Ah, us for sho?" (from)
    My pre ... (bad thoughts) about deEkraina came true.
    She pissed everyone off. Reaps.
    In fact, everyone led her to the slaughter. Both those and these.
    It was supposed to happen.
    And this happened to the satisfaction of everyone, except for the Ukrainian regime, of course.
    Everyone else (except for dEkraina and stupid limitrophes who did not understand the meaning of current events) was satisfied with everything.
    Well, and goodies.
    Sorry brothers.
    The rest - no.
  39. O. Bender
    O. Bender 24 February 2022 21: 06
    0
    I would have said in the title: Farewell, sick Ukraine!
    1. DED_peer_DED
      DED_peer_DED 24 February 2022 21: 34
      -1
      Quote: O. Bender
      I would have said in the title: Farewell, sick Ukraine!

      Last remembered.
  40. DED_peer_DED
    DED_peer_DED 24 February 2022 21: 26
    0
    My correspondence today with Khokhlobelarus:
    Me - "How are you"
    He - "Everything is OK. Pioneer yours!!!" (instead of pioneers, insert according to the meaning, otherwise they will not insert me again)
    I - "According to the results, write back :). Belarusian Ukrainian."
    He - "No, no. UKRAINIAN Ukrainian."
    I - "Ah, where does the surname come from?"
    He - "Your Fuhrer played out."
    I - repost - "Your Fuhrer finished playing."
    For clarification, the surname of a citizen from Vna is Maglic. Those. directly not Ukrainian.
    Age in the region of 60 years. His father is a former military fighter pilot of the USSR.
    This is for the picture, for meat brought.
  41. DED_peer_DED
    DED_peer_DED 24 February 2022 21: 40
    0

    Somewhere near :)
  42. Baron pardus
    Baron pardus 24 February 2022 22: 25
    +3
    A soldier, or a sergeant, can count on the words "I carried out the order." But not out-of-shape gangsters who burned down the House of the Trade Union. MILITARY SERVICES of the Armed Forces of Ukraine, especially conscripts, have the right to count on compliance with conventions and on a fair trial: someone will clean up the sand in Kara Kum for 5 years, someone for 10, and someone for 20, and someone will go home in a couple of years. But the national battalions are not considered an ARMY, they DO NOT fall under the conventions, and you CAN and SHOULD do whatever your rich imagination wishes with them. To begin with, to slap everyone with 50 ramrods, and then 15 years of hard labor. But it seems to me that I am being too humane. In Iraq and Afghanistan, ours did not understand and multiplied by zero all suspicious personalities, I cannot say that I condemn this. And you can write down anyone as a "terrorist". No one has ever canceled an attempt to attack a convoy in order to seize weapons and an attempt to escape. nat baht should plow in full force for 20 years in hard labor (dead banderlogs cannot work for Russia. As the Great Genghis said, "The dead cannot pay tribute"). So with the military - to figure out who needs to be sent to hard labor for one or another period, and the rest - to be flogged like unreasonable children (20-30 ramrods), and go home. Dope out of the ass is best knocked out either by a sergeant's boot, or a father's or grandfather's belt, or a good spanking. So that later I would sleep on my stomach for a month and NEVER forget how shreds flew from my ass.
    1. Drako
      Drako 25 February 2022 00: 33
      +1
      Not very feasible in today's Ukraine... I have nephews, children, the main thing is to educate them. I can’t flog - there is control, a wife, a mother ... They cherish and cherish ... But ...
      There must be a school ... There must be education ... And, at worst, as my dad said - "If I don't educate you, then strangers will educate you ..."
      And this is much more painful, already verified.
      And he spanked me periodically.
      For which I am even grateful...
      1. Baron pardus
        Baron pardus 25 February 2022 01: 14
        +3
        It was to flog me with a belt that they didn’t flog me, or rather they flogged me, but rarely. As a rule, for serious jambs (for example, for being caught when I stole rare books from the store, I stumbled about 5 without problems, but then they caught me, I shouldn’t have returned to the same place so quickly) I was told that my craving for books was commendable but not theft. My excuse that my great-grandfather was a famous smuggler and safecracker and that his genes woke up in me did not help. I got 25 hits with a belt on the seat (not with a buckle, but with a belt). Grandfather brought up push-ups from the floor and jogging. Three - 20 push-ups from the floor. Four with a minus - 15 push-ups from the floor. Sometimes I got slapped and slapped on the back of the head. As a rule, when I was caught trying to hang noodles on the ears of the parents, I also received for forging a diary. The only thing for which I was not punished was for fights. Grandfather Joseph said, “If you don’t fight, then you are not a man and not a soldier.
        1. Drako
          Drako 25 February 2022 01: 49
          0
          I didn't have a grandfather. Grandfather's cousin was - a tanker ... And it should be so - a whip, and only then a carrot ...
          1. Baron pardus
            Baron pardus 25 February 2022 02: 01
            +1
            Grandfather Dima died of kidney failure before I was born (he received a splinter in the kidney in 1942). He was a tanker. First on the T-34, then on the Valentine, then on the Sherman. Grandfather Joseph - was a border guard. He rose to the rank of lieutenant colonel of the border troops. It was he who raised me, dad worked in the Kiev Kamerny (deputy thin hand) and in the evenings he was not at home.
            1. Drako
              Drako 25 February 2022 02: 10
              +2
              If I start telling how and where my grandfather and his brothers fought and how my grandmother survived, I can write a book based on real events, about the Second World War, but everyone has their own stories, I mean every family. I just said it and thank you for your understanding.
  43. Usher
    Usher 25 February 2022 02: 56
    +4
    Roman forgot about the zombie population. Did you watch the video with sound? Most filmers see only "Muscovites, Russians, Buryats, pigs, cotton wool, putler, etc.", and in the comments, in general, trash.
  44. Andrey Chizhevsky
    Andrey Chizhevsky 25 February 2022 05: 59
    0
    All right Roman! But it is necessary - I think the most important thing - to clear the minds of people living in the former Ukrainian SSR from the scum of Nazi propaganda. After all, for decades they have been called brains. I'm not talking about youth - they generally raised a generation in hatred for everything Russian. And not only for Russian .To everyone that has a different opinion.
  45. sleeve
    sleeve 25 February 2022 07: 08
    +1
    There are practically no political forces in Ukraine capable of finding support from the population. At the same time, the political fan is wide open. The whole question is how the post-operational policy in the country will look like (unless, of course, conciliation begins again and we are simply not deceived without lifting the sanctions, keeping the henchmen in power). Giving carte blanche to free elections, excluding the reactionary forces (Nazis) means leaving the same Caudle in power, since a party ranking with normal support simply does not exist. Rabinovich and Medvedchuk may add, but not decisively. Servants of the people are liquidated even if they are not dismissed, both because of electoral distrust and because of underfunding. It is impossible to limit the political landscape, since it is impossible to isolate a set of requirements for the party that meets the interests of Russia (eight years have not passed in vain, plus natural ambition). It is possible, and perhaps even necessary, to forcibly bring someone to power. And do not care about the subsequent difficulties of this "chosen" government. They will cope in any situation, all the more so with support of a different quality (Mother Russia is not your EU stepmother). But that means replacing the USA. Only and everything. Is it possible to find the zero option? Probably yes, if we put into circulation the factor of the division of Ukraine. One way or another, by dividing the country into East, West and Kyiv (maybe a few more regions), you can ideally demand neutrality from Kyiv, and "bleed air" through the Western regions. Moreover, the independence of the East and its integration into the Russian economy will lead to a joint defense treaty by itself.
    However, the wait is not long left ... We'll see.
  46. EvilLion
    EvilLion 25 February 2022 08: 13
    +1
    There will be no new Ukraine. Whatever it was, but not Ukraine.
  47. Paul Neumann
    Paul Neumann 25 February 2022 13: 02
    0
    Maybe the article should have been called "farewell, washed Ukraine"?
  48. Sir Galant
    Sir Galant 26 February 2022 11: 06
    0
    so we have a president for them - Yanukovych) and Azarov is a very experienced and authoritative politician - prime minister) it's time to remove naphthalene from them)
  49. romandostalo
    romandostalo 26 February 2022 17: 44
    0
    The issue of restoring Ukraine is of course important, but at whose expense? The guys themselves launched everything, and restore it yourself! And it's fair! Waiting for cons!!!
  50. ont65
    ont65 1 March 2022 13: 19
    +1
    Manilovshchina. Ukraine for 30 years has been decently cleared both in the state apparatus, and in the political field, and in law enforcement agencies. There are people, but they still need to be built into a working vertical, a trustworthy apparatus should be created at every level, and most importantly, the existing laws, executive and law enforcement agencies will be completely replaced, otherwise the nationalists will crush them not by washing, but by rolling. The whole country will have to be filtered, identifying and neutralizing this infection for years. The same current SBU is the headquarters of Bandera, like everything else in Ukraine.