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An open meeting of the Security Council of the Russian Federation is devoted to the issue of possible recognition of the DPR and LPR

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For the first time in recent years, an open meeting of the Russian Security Council is being held. In addition to the president of Russia, the director of the FSB, the minister of defense, the chief of the General Staff, the head of the Foreign Ministry, the chairmen of the upper and lower houses of parliament and other top federal officials take part in it.


A remarkable episode took place during the meeting. Russia's representative in the Trilateral Contact Group Dmitry Kozak, answering a question from Russian President Vladimir Putin about Ukraine's readiness to implement the Minsk agreements, replied that Kiev was not going to implement these agreements. And it is not going to fulfill them under any circumstances.

At the same time, Dmitry Kozak, at the end of his speech, offered to express his opinion on an important, as he himself noted, issue.

Kozak:

I would like to speak on the subject of joining the Donbass or not.

To join or not to join...

Vladimir Putin looked inquiringly at the official and asked a question:

Ну и что?

Kozak did not continue further. And President Putin suggested to Kozak that "we stop at this part of the speech for the time being."

During the meeting of the Security Council of the Russian Federation, Defense Minister Sergei Shoigu spoke. He pointed out that along the entire line of contact, the number of attacks by Ukrainian troops increased, approaching the intensity of the 2014-15 model. According to Shoigu, a number of national battalions are not controlled by the command of the Armed Forces of Ukraine and the National Guard.

Putin:

The issue of recognition of the Donetsk and Lugansk Republics was raised long ago.

After that, the president gave the floor to Dmitry Medvedev, who holds the post of deputy head of the Security Council of the Russian Federation.

Medvedev:

Ukraine, as we see, does not need the territories of Donbass. The people living in these territories, and this is 800 thousand Russians, are deprived of benefits by Ukraine. Ukraine is not going to implement the Minsk measures. It is not profitable for the current regime in Ukraine, namely the incumbent president, to follow the agreements. The President of Ukraine himself claims that the Minsk agreements are harmful.

According to Medvedev, Zelensky is fooling his foreign colleagues.

Medvedev:

I remember 2008. Then I had to make a decision to recognize South Ossetia and Abkhazia. This has saved the lives of hundreds of thousands of people living there. This was a lesson for NATO. That you can't do that to Russia. Today, in some ways, it is more difficult, and it can be easier. More difficult - the conflict is incomparable in scale. Easier - because we know what will happen. We understand how to resist sanctions pressure. We have 14 years of experience for the future. It will be difficult, but after a while the tension that is now vibrating around our country will subside. They themselves will ask us to return to the discussion of questions of strategic security. Like Bulgakov: never ask for anything - they themselves will come, they themselves will offer.

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  1. anjey
    anjey 21 February 2022 17: 56
    +21
    GDP show this rotten, Russophobic West its place.
    1. Murmur 55
      Murmur 55 21 February 2022 18: 08
      +9
      The West needs this, right now recognition will be equated with aggression and the train of sanctions will rush with renewed vigor, it’s not clear why they dragged on for 8 years, they gave so many lives not for a sniff.
      1. Vitaly161
        Vitaly161 21 February 2022 18: 12
        +13
        Quote: Murmur 55
        The West needs this, right now recognition will be equated with aggression and the train of sanctions will rush with renewed vigor, it’s not clear why they dragged on for 8 years, they gave so many lives not for a sniff.
        delayed the sanctions train to give the economy time
        1. alekseykabanets
          alekseykabanets 21 February 2022 18: 25
          -17
          Quote: Vitaliy161
          delayed the sanctions train to give the economy time

          And how is the economy? On the rise? Import substitution started to work? Has agriculture begun to work with its seeds? Etc. Enough already, your excuses are getting funnier and funnier.
          1. Vitaly161
            Vitaly161 21 February 2022 18: 28
            +2
            Quote: aleksejkabanets
            Quote: Vitaliy161
            delayed the sanctions train to give the economy time

            And how is the economy? On the rise? Import substitution started to work? Has agriculture begun to work with its seeds? Etc. Enough already, your excuses are getting funnier and funnier.

            it works in critical areas, damn it, we plant dill seeds, you look for positive in your Krajina, and we are Russians somehow ourselves
            1. alekseykabanets
              alekseykabanets 21 February 2022 18: 36
              -18
              Quote: Vitaliy161
              works in critical areas,

              Does not work! There is no import substitution in IT, neither in agriculture, nor food security, because they work with Western seeds and Western breeding stock, etc. etc. You can list a lot, nothing, by and large, has been done since 2014.
              Quote: Vitaliy161
              We plant dill seeds, you look for positive in your Krajina, and we are Russians somehow ourselves

              Do you have any arguments other than how to get personal? And yes, I lived and live in the Russian Federation, and more and more often I have to be ashamed of "Russians" like you.
              1. Vitaly161
                Vitaly161 21 February 2022 18: 54
                +4
                Quote: aleksejkabanets
                Quote: Vitaliy161
                works in critical areas,

                Does not work! There is no import substitution in IT, neither in agriculture, nor food security, because they work with Western seeds and Western breeding stock, etc. etc. You can list a lot, nothing, by and large, has been done since 2014.
                Quote: Vitaliy161
                We plant dill seeds, you look for positive in your Krajina, and we are Russians somehow ourselves

                Do you have any arguments other than how to get personal? And yes, I lived and live in the Russian Federation, and more and more often I have to be ashamed of "Russians" like you.

                I’m ashamed of you, but we have Atommash in 3 shifts, the oil plant, which has been standing since 95, was launched in 2 years, the windmill plant was opened, and 3 stations have already been built (our technologies), the plant for the full cycle of fertilizer production has almost been completed, and this is in my provincial town)
                about IT, why don’t Baikals suit you? There is an OS of its own, yes, based on Linux, but there is, and 8 years is not a time for the economy at all, but you need everything at once
                1. alekseykabanets
                  alekseykabanets 21 February 2022 19: 15
                  -7
                  Quote: Vitaliy161
                  about IT, why don’t Baikals suit you?

                  Have you seen his price tag? And his characteristics suit you?
                  Quote: Vitaliy161
                  There is an OS of its own, yes, based on Linux, but there is,

                  I have been sitting on Linux for 15 years and I feel great, but tell me, in order to take an open source system, finish it a little and make it paid for organizations, it should take so many years? Are there already domestic Linux distributions in schools? In municipal institutions? The only thing I saw in the hospital was some kind of domestic system based on Debian.
                  Quote: Vitaliy161
                  I’m ashamed of you, but we have Atommash in 3 shifts, the oil plant, which has been standing since 95, was launched in 2 years, the windmill plant was opened, and 3 stations have already been built (our technologies), the plant for the full cycle of fertilizer production has almost been completed, and this is in my provincial town)

                  I don’t know about your “provincial town”, but in my hometown of Labinsk, one of the oldest sugar factories in the Kuban is closed, a third of the employees at the butter factory have been laid off, etc. And I don’t want to talk about Armavir at all.
                  1. Vitaly161
                    Vitaly161 21 February 2022 19: 21
                    0
                    Quote: aleksejkabanets
                    Quote: Vitaliy161
                    about IT, why don’t Baikals suit you?

                    Have you seen his price tag? And his characteristics suit you?
                    Quote: Vitaliy161
                    There is an OS of its own, yes, based on Linux, but there is,

                    I have been sitting on Linux for 15 years and I feel great, but tell me, in order to take an open source system, finish it a little and make it paid for organizations, it should take so many years? Are there already domestic Linux distributions in schools? In municipal institutions? The only thing I saw in the hospital was some kind of domestic system based on Debian.
                    Quote: Vitaliy161
                    I’m ashamed of you, but we have Atommash in 3 shifts, the oil plant, which has been standing since 95, was launched in 2 years, the windmill plant was opened, and 3 stations have already been built (our technologies), the plant for the full cycle of fertilizer production has almost been completed, and this is in my provincial town)

                    I don’t know about your “provincial town”, but in my hometown of Labinsk, one of the oldest sugar factories in the Kuban is closed, a third of the employees at the butter factory have been laid off, etc. And I don’t want to talk about Armavir at all.

                    we are neighbors, Volgodonsk is my provincial town) at the price of Baikal, so you want your own, but it is expensive, piece goods are like that, now ours are mastering 28nm technologies, yes, the last century, but at least something, our distributions went to the Police, medicine, and it seems like government bodies, and in obligatory, and by the way, the police are very dissatisfied with the new software, I didn’t use Linux, although I’ve been working with PC all my life, but I’m more into hardware, so not everything is so bad in our kingdom, although it could be better, there's no arguing
                  2. DymOk_v_dYmke
                    DymOk_v_dYmke 21 February 2022 19: 43
                    -2
                    Quote: aleksejkabanets
                    I don’t know about your “provincial town”, but in my hometown of Labinsk, one of the oldest sugar factories in the Kuban is closed, a third of the employees at the butter factory have been laid off, etc. And I don’t want to talk about Armavir at all.

                    I will add. Urzhum Kirovskaya. Butter and cheese plant has long been closed, but this is a "trifle".
                    There is no longer a resuscitator in the district center in the Central District Hospital => all serious operations are now either in other district centers or in the regional one.
                    PS And uryakly - keep uryakly.
                  3. 210ox
                    210ox 21 February 2022 19: 43
                    +6
                    Was in Labinsk last year in a sanatorium. And here, in Belaya Glina, the shift plant has been operating for the third year. This is to your words that everything is in aha ..
                    1. swnvaleria
                      swnvaleria 21 February 2022 20: 30
                      +2
                      the water park is good!
                      1. 210ox
                        210ox 21 February 2022 20: 39
                        +1
                        Welcome this summer! hi
                      2. swnvaleria
                        swnvaleria 21 February 2022 21: 51
                        +1
                        I will definitely go! on the way to the Crimea we will stop by, I will bring the children to the water park, it is beautiful here. everything works, many have their own greenhouses, many who go to the seas come to you and everyone likes you.
                      3. 210ox
                        210ox 21 February 2022 22: 00
                        0
                        There is a comrade from Labinsk who is complaining... However, I understand him. I was there more than once, with problems with roads, with infrastructure ... I barely found a Sberbank ATM ... And so you can relax there in the "Lab" on Vodoistochnaya. There are thermal waters all year round. In Belaya, we may be lucky with local patrons, so to speak .. The same water park is a matter of their money.
                      4. swnvaleria
                        swnvaleria 21 February 2022 22: 19
                        +1
                        I don't know what to complain about? let him go to the Voronezh region, or at least to the north of the Rostov region further from m 4, so his lab will seem like honey to him, and this year for the New Year holidays we went to the thermal waters under the virgin in gratifying, the same is not bad but cheaper than in Mostovskoy and Labinsk, many of my friends have moved from us to you, they like it here, and I'm only passing through your region.
                  4. anjey
                    anjey 21 February 2022 19: 45
                    +4
                    Armavir fascinated me as a child, the Kuban River, in the city park a room of laughter (crooked mirrors) apricots in the courtyard of a tree house laughingWhy is everything so bad now?
                    1. andranick
                      andranick 21 February 2022 20: 34
                      +3
                      Yes, not much good. Armavir, my hometown, is dying out after 21, empty on the streets. Although earlier in the evening the center and squares were full of young people. For me, this is an indicator. Yes, the taverns are not empty even now, but still the taverns are not that, it is not "all the people are having fun and walking."
                      1. anjey
                        anjey 21 February 2022 20: 44
                        +1
                        Come to us in the Urals, since you have such a bummer in life and nature laughing
                      2. andranick
                        andranick 21 February 2022 21: 00
                        +1
                        Only a tourist! laughing Honestly, I really want to visit your area. But for now, Abkhazia (I haven't seen my friends for a long time) and Karelia are next in line.
                        since you have such a bummer in life and nature

                        I'm not whining, I'm just talking about my feelings. And finally, before somehow the grass was greener laughing
                      3. anjey
                        anjey 21 February 2022 21: 15
                        0
                        And beer is tastier and vodka is softer and stronger laughing
                      4. swnvaleria
                        swnvaleria 21 February 2022 21: 54
                        +1
                        And what were the girls...
                    2. alekseykabanets
                      alekseykabanets 21 February 2022 20: 57
                      +1
                      Quote: anjey
                      Why is everything so bad now?

                      Worse than bad. Such unique factories were closed, one ZIM was worth what, during the USSR, there were two of these, in my opinion, in the USSR, unique testing machines were made. I came from the army to work at AETZ, they made electric motors there, about four thousand people worked there. I don’t want to talk about industry, only bakeries and shopping centers remain.
                      Quote: anjey
                      the Kuban river, in the city park a room of laughter (crooked mirrors) apricots in the courtyard of a tree house

                      Well, all this is there, except for the laughter room, the Kuban is still beautiful and the apricots are still lying underfoot.))))
                      1. anjey
                        anjey 21 February 2022 21: 21
                        +2
                        Listen, but agricultural complexes in the Krasnodar Territory are somehow well-known, everything can have its time, there is a drawdown in the economy everywhere in the world, all the more look at the strongest external competitive pressure on Russia. during the Great Patriotic War .. And how do we live now ???
                      2. alekseykabanets
                        alekseykabanets 21 February 2022 23: 04
                        0
                        Quote: anjey
                        Listen, but agricultural complexes in the Krasnodar Territory are somehow well-known, everything can have its time

                        Agrocomplexes, say, here is a simple example. My wife's grandfather, Kravchenko Semyon Evdokimovich (there is an article about him on Wikipedia), he created, made the Labinsky family farm a millionaire. the state farm, there was everything, gardens, ponds, cowsheds, pigsties, fields, sown pastures, etc. 4 large settlements worked, all hard workers lived in abundance, there was always a shortage of labor, they gave apartments to milkmaids and pigs, etc. Today (I lived for 15 years in one of these villages), when my wife and I bought housing there, the dairy herd in the village of Novolabinskoye had more than 100 heads, today there are about 20, there is nowhere to graze, plowed "under the very gardens", the village is dying out. The local latifundist, who now owns almost all the land of the former collective farm, grows grain and sells grain to Turkey. And there are no more pigsties (one remained), cowsheds, fish ponds, gardens, etc., only grain to Turkey and that’s all, and grain in Russia is sold at such a price that it’s not profitable to keep chickens for an egg, feed for broilers costs more than 40 rubles. per kg., what a joy to me that our grain is sold at world prices?
                        Quote: anjey
                        especially look at the strongest external competitive pressure on Russia

                        Always has been, always will be, as in other countries. In general, this is a separate big topic. Do not be lazy, read, as soon as you have free time, Lenin's work "Imperialism, as the highest stage of capitalism", despite the fact that there are a lot of numbers - it is easy to read. There he gives an idea of ​​how the economy and political system works in developed capitals. countries.
                        Quote: anjey
                        You know that you can’t intimidate us with this, just for example, Blockade Leningrad during the Great Patriotic War .. And how do we live now ???

                        You are making a huge logical mistake by putting the current Russian Federation and the USSR on the same level, these are antagonist states. The Russian Federation should be put on the same level with the Republic of Ingushetia and, God forbid, today is a war, and especially a protracted and bloody one .... Have you read Mayakovsky's poem "To you"? We will have exactly the same thing, there are no other options. And the Russian Federation can end in the same way as the Republic of Ingushetia, only the Bolsheviks are not observed on the horizon.
                      3. andranick
                        andranick 22 February 2022 08: 58
                        +1
                        Why was the person downvoted? For the fact that you can’t buy fresh milk in the villages? There are no cows among the population. Or for the fact that you can’t buy normal pork for barbecue? Or for the fact that fat goes at the price of meat, and even then look for a normal one, at least three fingers long? Villagers do not keep pigs, weaned them with swine flu. There are only bacon breeds of pigs, but it’s not for anyone who doesn’t know what meat should be - yes, it will come in. Or a minus for the fact that in the villages they sell potatoes bought in Krasnodar at the wholesale market?
                      4. andranick
                        andranick 21 February 2022 23: 16
                        +1
                        Agriculture and processing, yes, at a good level, it’s a sin to complain. But it would be a mistake to consider the Kuban as a whole only an agrarian region. The industry is still there and in a fairly significant volume. And although most of the large industrial enterprises have sunk into oblivion, new ones have appeared. And Armavir is primarily large industrial the city (was), for which we are talking.
                  5. Looking for
                    Looking for 21 February 2022 19: 55
                    -7
                    you are by chance not one of the supporters of "Kuban is Ukraine"
                    1. anjey
                      anjey 21 February 2022 20: 47
                      +2
                      Are you not one of the supporters - Rabinovichi is the exclusive property of Israel around the world? laughing
          2. Kesha1980
            Kesha1980 21 February 2022 18: 44
            +11
            And how is the economy? On the rise? Import substitution started to work? Has agriculture begun to work with its seeds?

            Well, where to go, then? There is clearly not enough for all minks. The next sanctions have already been written. So, "it's time, brother - it's time." The charge of the battery of "patriotism" has sat down since the age of 14. We start a new round. But there is nowhere to go. By the way, today China announces sanctions to the States for supplying weapons to Taiwan - so it should be in a forced mainstream.
            Poop is to be answered with poop, not worries
            1. moscowp
              moscowp 21 February 2022 18: 50
              -12
              That's right, but we can throw a poop, and in return they can pile on a bunch of shit in which we will choke
              1. Kesha1980
                Kesha1980 21 February 2022 19: 09
                +6
                The norm of shit has already been measured out to us (even the Baltic states and the Czech Republic are squealing). Read the news - even Scholz has already declared Putin a murderer. So what, should we apologize and move troops beyond the Urals (as suggested by Blinken)?
                1. Machito
                  Machito 21 February 2022 20: 10
                  +1
                  Quote: Kesha1980
                  The norm of shit has already been measured out to us (even the Baltic states and the Czech Republic are squealing). Read the news - even Scholz has already declared Putin a murderer. So what, should we apologize and move troops beyond the Urals (as suggested by Blinken)?

                  Yeah, send the entire army to Kolyma. Let the deer graze.
                  It's high time to go ahead. Forward to the West. (C) Only old people go into battle. soldier
              2. Victorio
                Victorio 21 February 2022 20: 33
                +1
                Quote: moscowp
                That's right, but we can throw a poop, and in return they can pile on a bunch of shit in which we will choke

                ===
                so assets to the homeland, or to asia
                1. moscowp
                  moscowp 21 February 2022 20: 42
                  0
                  The problem is not in assets, I worry about my homeland)
                  1. Victorio
                    Victorio 21 February 2022 20: 43
                    +1
                    Quote: moscowp
                    The problem is not assets, I worry about my homeland )

                    ===
                    this is normal )
          3. aybolyt678
            aybolyt678 21 February 2022 19: 41
            +3
            Quote: aleksejkabanets
            ? Has agriculture begun to work with its seeds?

            okay seeds, harvesters imported by 80%
          4. Alex Justice
            Alex Justice 22 February 2022 18: 37
            0
            Essence of a person:
      2. anjey
        anjey 21 February 2022 18: 16
        +7
        They maneuvered, this is politics .... They maneuvered to the last. They waited for counter Western alternatives, but alas ..., only the Force is clear to them .... We are not at war with Ukraine, but with the USA and NATO.
      3. Tank jacket
        Tank jacket 21 February 2022 19: 27
        +2
        Quote: Murmur 55
        The West needs this, right now recognition will be equated with aggression and the train of sanctions will rush with renewed vigor, it’s not clear why they dragged on for 8 years, they gave so many lives not for a sniff.

        Sanctions will be imposed anyway, don't you understand?
        Sanctions will be imposed anyway, whether there will be a war or not, they will be introduced anyway. If we had Economic Growth, then there would be no Ukrainian problem, the entire Oligarchy would feed here, and the entire European Oligarchy would line up, Those who impede economic growth, in fact, kindle this War, Do everything to prevent growth. "Pruvet" Nabiullina and Siluanov laughing
      4. smart ass
        smart ass 23 February 2022 13: 31
        0
        For 8 years they listened to promises, and now they realized that it is useless to talk with a wolf pack, they only obey a hunter with a gun
    2. Vitaly161
      Vitaly161 21 February 2022 18: 22
      -3
      Quote: anjey
      GDP show this rotten, Russophobic West its place.

      all foreign fake throwers will explode today with a fountain of feces towards the Russian Federation, you need to stock up on popcorn
      1. anjey
        anjey 21 February 2022 18: 28
        +2
        They will drown in their feces. Perhaps now is the time to take the West by the breasts and let it blow away with its historical arrogance, lies and swagger.
      2. Gardamir
        Gardamir 21 February 2022 18: 34
        +4
        gotta stock up on popcorn
        You make yourself out to be a poutriot and immediately dream of your native American popcorn. Before the arrival of the pro-Western bourgeoisie in Russia, no one was interested in corn.
        1. anjey
          anjey 21 February 2022 18: 37
          +3
          And Khrushchev??? laughingDo not find fault with Americanisms in philology, today the important question is whether we will move the American hegemon on the world stage or not.
          1. Gardamir
            Gardamir 21 February 2022 18: 44
            +2
            I had a book, "Face to Face with America", about Khrushchev's trip to America, and that's where Nikita had seen enough of corn. But no one told this idiot. that the north of the USA, excluding Alaska. south of our Sochi.
            1. anjey
              anjey 21 February 2022 18: 59
              +2
              Khrushchev had, as they say now, creative ideas, but I don’t consider him a moron, he put the United States on treason well (the Caribbean crisis) and achieved stabilization in the world just as creatively.
          2. 2 Level Advisor
            2 Level Advisor 21 February 2022 18: 45
            -8
            what are you going to move? I can answer you in advance - no. The USSR and that in the end could not, and the Russian Federation is its faded shadow
            1. anjey
              anjey 21 February 2022 19: 09
              +6
              Hitler once also considered the USSR a colossus with feet of clay, if such extraordinary personalities are mistaken, I don’t know what to say about you at all ... But Russia is still the legal successor and worthy, I believe we will return the Union, but updated laughing
              1. Essex62
                Essex62 21 February 2022 19: 25
                +2
                The bourgeois RF cannot be the legal successor of the Soviet Union. A casuistic invention of the "young reformers" and the drunkard, at the suggestion of spiritual mentors from behind a puddle.
                1. Repellent
                  Repellent 21 February 2022 19: 44
                  -2
                  Quote: Essex62
                  The bourgeois Russian Federation cannot be the legal successor of the Soviet Union

                  In the UN, for example - maybe there is. And not only there. And this is a medical fact (tse).

                  Essex is a county in the southeast of England. Part of the East of England region. The administrative center is Chelmsford

                  Whose will you be, "communist friend"? laughing

                  PS: uuuu... sashenko offended, presses on the minus. Yes, at least hug yes
                  1. Essex62
                    Essex62 21 February 2022 20: 06
                    +1
                    First, I did not put you minuses. The second is not a friend of the communists, namely a communist, kondovy, convinced, not the one led by Uncle Zyu along the corridors of thought through the corridors of commercial interests.
                    Third, the ESSEX-class of US Navy aircraft carriers is a favorite topic in youth and youth, in bench modeling. Hence the nickname. As they say, no politics or territorial binding.
                    1. Repellent
                      Repellent 21 February 2022 20: 14
                      -2
                      Quote: Essex62
                      First, I didn’t give you minuses

                      Yes, do not care about them.

                      Quote: Essex62
                      The second is not a friend of the communists, namely a communist, kondovy, convinced, not the one led by Uncle Zyu through the corridors of thought through the corridors of commercial interests

                      I do, even though I'm not one of them. I had decided that you were "near the Tatra", apparently, I was mistaken.

                      Quote: Essex62
                      Hence the nickname

                      Understood. My apologies for the words, the comment can no longer be corrected, unfortunately. The question is settled, I suppose?

                      And about the "successor of the Union" - you were mistaken, the Internet is to help ...
                      1. Essex62
                        Essex62 21 February 2022 20: 20
                        +1
                        Is accepted. hi
                        As for succession, everything is not clear here, of course. I just wanted to convey the idea that the tasks of the systems are directly opposite and bourgeois usurpers cannot represent a socialist state. And so, yes, in fact. International affairs, debt payment, this and that.
                2. anjey
                  anjey 21 February 2022 20: 57
                  -1
                  , THE WORLD is changing, wake up laughing
                  1. Essex62
                    Essex62 21 February 2022 23: 36
                    0
                    The world is constantly changing, since "creation". And mainly by force of arms. But it is not clear how the tasks of systems opposite in sign have changed.
              2. 2 Level Advisor
                2 Level Advisor 21 February 2022 20: 07
                +1
                Quote: anjey
                Hitler once also considered the USSR a colossus with feet of clay, if such extraordinary personalities are mistaken, I don’t know what to say about you at all ...

                and you compare the USSR of the fortieth year and the Russian Federation of the 22nd .. and questions about the relevance of the comparison and the capabilities of countries will disappear .. then the USSR on all fronts of development is like a rocket into space lane .. and for me Hitler is not an authority, excuse me .. and you again about the USSR, which we are not ..
                Quote: anjey
                But Russia is still the successor and worthy, I believe we will return the Union, but updated

                I would like to believe too, but the thinking is too critical - I don’t see the prerequisites and possibilities .. about the successor - the lyric - "the father of the Olympic champion has his son, he is his successor - lives in his apartment - even is a member of the house council, but he is completely not an Olympic champion at the same time by birth and should not be respected just because his dad was a champion, no matter how much he wanted to."
                I’m talking about the country now (USSR / RF) .. our people are excellent, but in the world they look not at the people, but at the country and its capabilities as a whole as a whole ..
                1. Victorio
                  Victorio 21 February 2022 20: 39
                  0
                  Quote: Level 2 Advisor
                  and you compare the USSR of the fortieth year and the Russian Federation of the 22nd ..

                  ===
                  so the United States is no longer the same, China is different, India, and much is already different. I think the light has not converged like a wedge in the Russophobic West.
                2. anjey
                  anjey 21 February 2022 21: 05
                  0
                  Listen, there has never been an ideal in the Russian state, from the word never, not under the tsars, councils and now.
                  It seems that everything is the same in the whole World, there are no ideal democracies (USA, Europe), that strong countries live off the resources of the weak. And the rest of the demagoguery of pseudo-democracy is from the Evil One ... Especially the West never, if we bend under it, never won't make us a second Switzerland laughing This is bulk infantilism from the US State Department that we just need to surrender to the mercy of the enemylaughing
        2. Vitaly161
          Vitaly161 21 February 2022 18: 48
          -4
          Quote: Gardamir
          gotta stock up on popcorn
          You make yourself out to be a poutriot and immediately dream of your native American popcorn. Before the arrival of the pro-Western bourgeoisie in Russia, no one was interested in corn.

          and what does patriotism and corn have to do with it? can I still not wear sneakers and jeans? do not use shampoo? insanity smacks of you
          1. Gardamir
            Gardamir 21 February 2022 19: 04
            +4
            sneakers and jeans
            Yes! yes, and even cars in the yards. How easily you fire. I won't be surprised. your favorite songs and movies are western too. So you are a foreign fake.
            1. Vitaly161
              Vitaly161 21 February 2022 19: 09
              -3
              Quote: Gardamir
              sneakers and jeans
              Yes! yes, and even cars in the yards. How easily you fire. I won't be surprised. your favorite songs and movies are western too. So you are a foreign fake.

              yeah, the logic is you have a 3 year old child, eat popcorn means a traitor to the motherland, it's normal
              1. Gardamir
                Gardamir 21 February 2022 20: 36
                +2
                Well, if you like popcorn. then I bon appetit to you. Only I am Russian. born in Russia, it would never occur to me to say, "we are stocking up on popcorn."
                1. Vitaly161
                  Vitaly161 21 February 2022 20: 39
                  0
                  Quote: Gardamir
                  Well, if you like popcorn. then I bon appetit to you. Only I am Russian. born in Russia, it would never occur to me to say, "we are stocking up on popcorn."

                  you read my first message, understand its essence, and maybe it will tell you that the main idea there is completely different, and you got to the point of the only anglicism in the sentence, good luck to you
              2. Victorio
                Victorio 21 February 2022 20: 49
                +3
                Quote: Vitaliy161
                eat popcorn means a traitor to the motherland

                ===
                I don’t approve either, especially this zhrachka in the cinema.
    3. Terenin
      Terenin 21 February 2022 18: 24
      +28
      Something SVR, Naryshkin went to bed with his ... back and forth tolerance. So far, I haven’t received it from Putin.
      1. Terenin
        Terenin 21 February 2022 18: 25
        +15
        Minister of the Ministry of Internal Affairs of Russia Kolokoltsev - well done! Everything is clear, without snot.
        1. Terenin
          Terenin 21 February 2022 18: 28
          +8
          Zolotov, the Russian Guard said that Ukraine should not be limited, but it is necessary to go further.
          1. NIKN
            NIKN 21 February 2022 18: 40
            +8
            Quote: Terenin
            that Ukraine should not be limited, but it is necessary to go further.

            In my opinion, they recognize it within the boundaries of the former, and not in these, which is now. It should go to this. In this case, Ukraine is already becoming an occupier....with subsequent conclusions. And the sanctions are still the same.
          2. faiver
            faiver 21 February 2022 18: 43
            +2
            well, yes, the grandson was offended in Britain lol
          3. LiSiCyn
            LiSiCyn 21 February 2022 19: 20
            +7
            The Grand Security Council discussed the recognition of Donbass:

            • Lavrov - recognize
            • Bortnikov - recognize
            • Shoigu - recognize
            • Medvedev - if there is no improvement, recognize
            • Volodin - recognize
            • Matvienko - recognize
            • Patrushev - give Biden 2-3 days, if it doesn't help - admit
            • Mishustin - if there is no improvement, recognize
            • Naryshkin - recognize
            • Bells - recognize
            • Shchegolev - recognize
            • Zolotov - recognize
          4. Mordvin 3
            Mordvin 3 21 February 2022 19: 42
            +2
            Quote: Terenin
            Zolotov, the Russian Guard said that Ukraine should not be limited, but it is necessary to go further.

            So let him go along with his guard.
      2. Observer2014
        Observer2014 21 February 2022 18: 30
        -16
        Something SFR Naryshkin went to bed with his ... back and forth tolerance.
        Now you will dream of a kabzdets! In everything that I believed and knew! You and your friends are a kabzdets! Russia recognizes the Russian Donbass!
        1. Terenin
          Terenin 21 February 2022 18: 33
          +9
          Quote: Observer2014
          Something SFR Naryshkin went to bed with his ... back and forth tolerance.
          Now you will dream of a kabzdets! In everything that I believed and knew! You and your friends are a kabzdets! Russia recognizes the Russian Donbass!

          It is necessary to have a bite.
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          1. Looking for
            Looking for 21 February 2022 19: 58
            -2
            And by what right do you cling to such labels?
            1. Repellent
              Repellent 21 February 2022 20: 01
              +2
              Quote: Seeker
              and by what right

              Who are you to ask? wink

              Need details - in a personal.
      3. anjey
        anjey 21 February 2022 18: 32
        +7
        This is a real scout, he flies between Heaven and Earthlaughing
        1. Machito
          Machito 21 February 2022 20: 14
          +2
          Quote: anjey
          This is a real scout, he flies between Heaven and Earthlaughing

          Between Earth and Sky... War. (FROM)
      4. spirit
        spirit 21 February 2022 18: 38
        +6
        Something SVR, Naryshkin went to bed with his ..

        Of course, you will forgive me, but it was more like a schoolboy getting nervous in front of the teacher and almost fainted from excitement. And this is the head of intelligence ? lol
      5. Vladimir61
        Vladimir61 21 February 2022 18: 59
        +4
        Quote: Terenin
        something SVR, Naryshkin went to bed with his ... back and forth tolerance
        Impromptu and excitement from a historic moment! He even let slip about the desire to join us to Russia!
        My wife and I sat, almost without breathing .....
        1. flicker
          flicker 21 February 2022 20: 13
          +1
          sat, hardly breathing.
          And in the end?
      6. den3080
        den3080 21 February 2022 19: 27
        +2
        Quote: Terenin
        Something SVR, Naryshkin went to bed with his ... back and forth tolerance. So far, I haven’t received it from Putin.

        Yes. Somehow he was confused, he was very worried and ... accepted the DPR / LPR into the Russian Federation as a result.
        1. DymOk_v_dYmke
          DymOk_v_dYmke 21 February 2022 19: 57
          +1
          I remember: "Stirlitz put his hand in his pocket and realized - this is the end."
          1. Machito
            Machito 21 February 2022 20: 15
            +1
            Quote: DymOk_v_dYmke
            I remember: "Stirlitz put his hand in his pocket and realized - this is the end."

            Where's the gun? laughing lol good drinks
        2. Essex62
          Essex62 21 February 2022 20: 15
          0
          And dad Muller (L. Armored) hands are shaking. Did you shoot the scene from a hangover? I've watched it a thousand times, I just noticed it now.
    4. flicker
      flicker 21 February 2022 18: 31
      +4
      Putin has just confirmed that today he will sign the recognition of the LDNR.
      1. Terenin
        Terenin 21 February 2022 18: 36
        +23
        Quote: flicker
        Putin has just confirmed that today he will sign the recognition of the LDNR.

        Yes, Putin held an unprecedented meeting of the Russian Security Council. He forced everyone to speak out under the cameras without preparation. From some, it may now smell like Corvalol.
        1. Vitaly161
          Vitaly161 21 February 2022 18: 59
          +4
          Quote: Terenin
          Quote: flicker
          Putin has just confirmed that today he will sign the recognition of the LDNR.

          Yes, Putin held an unprecedented meeting of the Russian Security Council. He forced everyone to speak out under the cameras without preparation. From some, it may now smell like Corvalol.

          Matvienko would seem to have buried her desire for 50g in herself after each completed sentence, a joke of course, it’s clear that she was worried))
        2. flicker
          flicker 21 February 2022 20: 11
          +2
          Yes, Putin held an unprecedented meeting of the Security Council of Russia. He forced everyone to speak out under the cameras without preparation.
          And, by the way, it was informative to listen to them and see, first of all, their psycho-emotional state, and, of course, their position.
      2. Looking for
        Looking for 21 February 2022 20: 00
        +2
        thank God and Russia.
    5. LiSiCyn
      LiSiCyn 21 February 2022 18: 49
      +1
      Quote: anjey
      GDP show this rotten, Russophobic West its place.

      I heard your opinion, the decision will be made today.

      Vladimir Putin, President of Russia, addressing members of the Security Council.
    6. Cananecat
      Cananecat 21 February 2022 18: 52
      +4
      Quote: anjey
      show GDP

      Of course, the GDP will show ... but I am ashamed of some members of the Security Council. It's a shame that they were mumbling while standing in front of the microphone. Is this our Security Council? What are all those bastards doing there? Leave Bortnik, Lavrov and Shoigu. with Kolokoltsev .. send the rest to learn to clearly express their thoughts.
      1. Vladimir61
        Vladimir61 21 February 2022 19: 01
        +3
        Quote: Canecat
        Leave Bortnik, Lavrov and Shoigu. with Kolokoltsev.
        Matvienko, Medvedev, Volodin expressed themselves clearly and unconditionally!
      2. Repellent
        Repellent 21 February 2022 19: 23
        +4
        Quote: Canecat
        I am ashamed of some members of the Security Council. It's a shame that they were mumbling while standing in front of the microphone. Is this our Security Council?

        This is filtering. Who will pass - will remain, others will be replaced. I think so.
      3. anjey
        anjey 21 February 2022 19: 38
        +1
        You understand that foreign intelligence is always between a rock and a hard place, a barrage position between two opposing sides, maybe Naryshkin knows more than he says, so an imbalance has occurred, for example now, and time will tell what will happen next.
    7. DymOk_v_dYmke
      DymOk_v_dYmke 21 February 2022 19: 54
      +1
      Quote: anjey
      GDP show this rotten, Russophobic West its place.

      I would like and could - I would have shown a long time ago.
      An and now an open meeting of the Security Council covered himself.

      He also pulled out a bear eaten by moths, which, apart from puffing out his cheeks and saying "well, hang in there," is hardly capable of anything.
  2. Murmur 55
    Murmur 55 21 February 2022 17: 57
    +12
    Here it is the hour "H".
    1. LiSiCyn
      LiSiCyn 21 February 2022 18: 53
      +3
      Quote: Murmur 55
      Here it is the hour "H"

      ZZ.0Z.ZZ
      1. tralflot1832
        tralflot1832 21 February 2022 20: 05
        +1
        Any song ZZ tor, I will dance on the Wishlist of the West, if they are left.
  3. Ren
    Ren 21 February 2022 17: 57
    +14
    After the words of Shoigu, I am almost sure that the LPR / DPR will be recognized today and the operation to enforce peace will begin in the near future! drinks
    1. Vasily Onischuk
      Vasily Onischuk 21 February 2022 18: 37
      +5
      to peace and adequacy.
      1. Kisa
        Kisa 21 February 2022 19: 56
        -1
        and Zelya recently announced that for Kiev there would be an optimal solution if the Kremlin recognizes ... then Minsk is canceled and the game will start from scratch
    2. Terenin
      Terenin 21 February 2022 18: 37
      +13
      Quote: Ren
      After the words of Shoigu, I am almost sure that the LPR / DPR will be recognized today and the operation to enforce peace will begin in the near future! drinks

      Lavrov - passed the post! hi
      Shoigu - accepted the post! soldier
      1. Clear
        Clear 21 February 2022 18: 40
        +4
        Quote: Terenin
        Quote: Ren
        After the words of Shoigu, I am almost sure that the LPR / DPR will be recognized today and the operation to enforce peace will begin in the near future! drinks

        Lavrov - passed the post! hi
        Shoigu - accepted the post! soldier

        Zelensky, Volodenka, the toilet is right along the corridor and to ... the right.
        1. tralflot1832
          tralflot1832 21 February 2022 20: 07
          +2
          It's better with a stone around your neck, and don't forget to take the anvil in your hands. I understood dad.
    3. Looking for
      Looking for 21 February 2022 20: 04
      0
      I think. will do without surgery. The Kiev regime. with snarling.
      1. Cananecat
        Cananecat 21 February 2022 20: 11
        0
        Quote: Seeker
        I think. will do without surgery. Kiev regime. with snapping. but will take the APU

        If within the administrative boundaries, then they will resist, trying to inflict maximum damage. Generals don't sit in trenches.
  4. Thrifty
    Thrifty 21 February 2022 17: 58
    +6
    I hope that the decision on immediate recognition, and as a result, on the provision of military assistance to the Donbass, will not only be made today, but, as they say, will be put into practice! from the usa
    1. Tavrik
      Tavrik 21 February 2022 18: 08
      -14
      Before you "put everyone in a stall" you need to buy more dollars. And then I wonder how much it will cost then ...
      1. anjey
        anjey 21 February 2022 18: 25
        +7
        Imagine a day when any bank notes will be just pieces of paper laughing
      2. Thrifty
        Thrifty 21 February 2022 18: 47
        +4
        Dvutavrik, haven’t you tried to live without a dollar? I never had them, and it’s okay !!!
    2. gurzuf
      gurzuf 21 February 2022 18: 48
      +6
      Still it is necessary to force the Old Man to restrict the trade in fuels and lubricants with the outskirts. Let Europe provide this "black hole".
  5. vervolk
    vervolk 21 February 2022 17: 59
    +6
    finally! the question is only first independence or immediately to the native harbor? and tomorrow 22.02.2022/XNUMX/XNUMX to protect and ensure security. Rushed. We are waiting for Comrade Xi's statement on Taiwan. we are watching how the Bendera people will be wound on the landing gear of aircraft.
    1. Barberry25
      Barberry25 21 February 2022 18: 00
      +9
      I think initially independence ... But to join ... then instead of South Ossetia and Abkhazia, so as not to go twice.
      1. Dude
        Dude 21 February 2022 20: 19
        +1
        Quote: Barberry25
        I think initially independence ... But to join ... then instead of South Ossetia and Abkhazia, so as not to go twice.

        Transnistria more! They have been asking to join for the longest time, since 1991! (Then back to the RSFSR.)
        1. Barberry25
          Barberry25 21 February 2022 22: 05
          -1
          everything has its time!
  6. paul3390
    paul3390 21 February 2022 17: 59
    +15
    Extremely harsh rhetoric, this has never happened before.. It seems that everything has already been decided. Let's hope that this is so - how long can you endure all this ??
  7. KAVBER
    KAVBER 21 February 2022 17: 59
    +5
    Damn, it's been a while!!!
    1. Tavrik
      Tavrik 21 February 2022 18: 10
      -3
      What's next?
      1. paul3390
        paul3390 21 February 2022 18: 17
        +7
        Apparently what's next is already a question for our generals ... It looks like the time of politicians is up.
        1. ODERVIT
          ODERVIT 21 February 2022 18: 59
          +3
          They have everything ready and ready. wink
      2. Rikochet
        Rikochet 21 February 2022 19: 48
        +2
        And then there will be Syria, it was not in vain that daggers were sent there, all ships from the north came to Tartus to unload, and Shaigu quickly flew off, today the Syrian Foreign Ministry visited, and a paper to the UN so that the Yankees and the Turks would get away. So the whole batch is there, it’s not for us to fight here, everything will be quiet here and ours.
        1. KAVBER
          KAVBER 21 February 2022 20: 12
          +1
          When it blazes in one place, it’s not scary, the perfect storm is when there are a lot of places at once, and Syria and Dombas and Karabakh and the Chinese, for their part, and who knows where else, then the partners’ brains will swim
  8. vitvit123
    vitvit123 21 February 2022 18: 00
    +7
    Two areas are very small . Of course, I’m very happy if we recognize it now, but I hope we’ll take the rest of our regions later .. when I couldn’t even imagine how Crimea could be part of Russia .. I argued with one Svidomo and he mocked that Crimea was theirs and we they should be "silent in a rag" .. and there it is how it turned out .. maybe we will still live when we take all our lands in Ukraine and Belarus will come to our common house!
    It’s also curious how things will be with the LDNR border, where it will take place .. it will be cool if the Ukrainians run away from their positions to the LDNR borders ..
    Naryshkin is even more interesting than Kozak !!!
    1. Murmur 55
      Murmur 55 21 February 2022 18: 06
      +5
      Thrifty hi, most likely EVERYTHING is already ready Wait just sign (if they sign) and go. But tomorrow a howl will begin among the "Russians" of certain political views, Syria, Ossetia, sanctions and so on, so on, so on, in general, will begin.
      1. Vasily Chernyshev
        Vasily Chernyshev 21 February 2022 18: 20
        +3
        There will be a howl, there is no way without it .. I think we will survive this somehow ... good
      2. Thrifty
        Thrifty 21 February 2022 18: 49
        -2
        Murmur55 hi -I would single out 10 hectares of taiga for these whining people, and so that they clean the snow there in the winter in the snow!!! am
    2. LiSiCyn
      LiSiCyn 21 February 2022 19: 24
      +3
      Quote: vitvit123
      It’s also curious how things will be with the LDNR border, where it will take place .. it will be cool if the Ukrainians run away from their positions to the LDNR borders ..

      President Zelensky was presented with a plan to capture Lugansk and Donetsk in two days - the operation plan was presented by the commander of the Joint Forces Operation in Donbass Oleksandr Pavlyuk.

      Yermak convinced Zelensky not to make any decisions on the Donbass in the near future, to wait for Putin to recognize the LNR and the DNR - then the problem with the Minsk agreements will be solved by itself. Zelensky even agrees that the LPR and DPR, as a result of hostilities, expand to the limits of the administrative borders of the Luhansk and Donetsk regions.

      The Office of the President believes that this is the most optimal solution to the situation with Donbass.
      1. Dude
        Dude 21 February 2022 20: 11
        -1
        President Zelensky presented a plan to capture Lugansk and Donetsk in two days

        It would not hurt to put a link to a quote, as is customary with the rules of good manners wink
  9. Cron
    Cron 21 February 2022 18: 00
    +9
    Everything I hear so far at the Security Council indicates that they recognize
    1. 210ox
      210ox 21 February 2022 18: 34
      +2
      A glimpse, distracted and I did not understand who spoke. Recognize within the administrative boundaries of the regions.
      1. Cron
        Cron 21 February 2022 18: 38
        +8
        Quote: 210ox
        A glimpse, distracted and I did not understand who spoke. Recognize within the administrative boundaries of the regions.

        Interior Minister Kolokoltsev
        1. 210ox
          210ox 21 February 2022 18: 41
          +8
          Thanks. He correctly said.
  10. Vasily Chernyshev
    Vasily Chernyshev 21 February 2022 18: 01
    +7
    Medvedev said correctly, although he rarely succeeds good
    1. 210ox
      210ox 21 February 2022 18: 35
      +8
      The iPhone was taken away .. And if without banter, then he spoke correctly. He even noted his merits in August 2008 ...
      1. faiver
        faiver 21 February 2022 18: 46
        +3
        and there were his merits? laughing
        1. 210ox
          210ox 21 February 2022 19: 05
          +2
          Whom to praise, how to yourself ..
          1. gurzuf
            gurzuf 21 February 2022 19: 45
            +1
            So there is something to praise. There is for that and ... not to praise.
    2. gurzuf
      gurzuf 21 February 2022 18: 51
      +5
      Yes! The rarest case when I listened to his speech with respect.
      1. Vadim237
        Vadim237 21 February 2022 19: 37
        +2
        And it must be admitted that Medvedev's speech was the best without stammering, clear and confident.
  11. megadeth
    megadeth 21 February 2022 18: 06
    +6
    After the annexation of Crimea, the most joyful news about the recognition of the LPR, DPR, and of course, do not forget to provide military republics with assistance !!! IMHO
  12. urik62
    urik62 21 February 2022 18: 08
    +11
    The case of Motorola, Givi and other heroes lives on, most likely they will recognize it.
    1. Murmur 55
      Murmur 55 21 February 2022 18: 11
      +17
      Kingdom of Heaven to the brave people who died for their Donbass, it's a pity that they didn't live to see this, it's a pity.
    2. Machito
      Machito 21 February 2022 20: 27
      +1
      Quote: urik62
      The case of Motorola, Givi and other heroes lives on, most likely they will recognize it.

      But what about the socialist poet Mozgovoy?
  13. rocket757
    rocket757 21 February 2022 18: 11
    +4
    An open meeting of the Security Council of the Russian Federation is devoted to the issue of possible recognition of the DPR and LPR
    . The mood of the residents of Donbass is the main thing now... The security of many, many of our compatriots depends on Russia's decision.
  14. gansales
    gansales 21 February 2022 18: 18
    +8
    The decision has already been made and for a long time and appropriate actions are being taken ..
    It's just for politics showed. There is no other way out, and ours knew that it was useless to negotiate, etc.
    I consider a historical moment for Russia ..!
    And here is another Zhirinovsky (God bless him) Chatterbox, of course, is still the same, but his political instinct works clearly and not for the first time ..
    God bless Russia-Novorossia ..

    Break through ..
    1. Vasily Chernyshev
      Vasily Chernyshev 21 February 2022 18: 24
      +6
      Zhirinovsky only in appearance is a clown, and so a literate man. Many of his speeches came true, although at the time of their pronunciation, they seemed ridiculous what
    2. volodimer
      volodimer 21 February 2022 18: 28
      +2
      Today I saw this video on another site. No matter how you treat him, but about February 22 .. Did you know or guessed?
      1. gansales
        gansales 21 February 2022 18: 39
        +5
        Quote: volodimer
        Today I saw this video on another site. No matter how you treat him, but about February 22 .. Did you know or guessed?

        He has good informants and he has an outstanding analytical mind .. Here's the truth is too emotional and goes too far
        It is for this that he collects votes in the elections of the common people, like "And let him give them a thrush there .."..
        Let's see, but his predictions came true to the point, I read about it yesterday .. And today the Security Council of Russia confirms this.
    3. Simple
      Simple 21 February 2022 18: 34
      +3
      It's not just for "politics".
      This is for history.
  15. paul3390
    paul3390 21 February 2022 18: 18
    +9
    Oops!!!! Finally, it was officially announced - it must be recognized within the ADMINISTRATIVE boundaries !!
    1. volodimer
      volodimer 21 February 2022 18: 25
      +1
      It sounded like that, but it seems that they will look for some other wording. It is interesting what will be announced in the end, but what they recognize, I have no doubt.
  16. PSih2097
    PSih2097 21 February 2022 18: 21
    0
    Well, peace enforcement will soon begin ...
  17. Tank jacket
    Tank jacket 21 February 2022 18: 22
    +12
    Sergey Naryshkin somehow strangely showed himself at a meeting of the Security Council, he began to get confused, stumble ... bully
    What was it? I have not seen such a show with changing shoes and throwing from side to side for a long time. laughing
    Speak directly (s)
    1. vitvit123
      vitvit123 21 February 2022 18: 27
      +3
      Maybe the truth didn’t have time to prepare .. and everything happens in reality ... that is, they understood what everything was going to (because the decision would be made today), but they didn’t have time to prepare a speech, suddenly they were called ..
    2. dimy44
      dimy44 21 February 2022 18: 30
      +5
      Worried, it happens.
      1. Tank jacket
        Tank jacket 21 February 2022 18: 31
        +2
        Or wanted to be identified? wink They say I'm your bourgeois ... I kind of said this under pressure ...
    3. paul3390
      paul3390 21 February 2022 18: 30
      +8
      I think this is an open demonstration of the type of unity of our tops, and, so to speak, "binding with blood" .. Everyone should publicly speak out in favor, thereby incurring thunder from heaven from Western partners. And their reaction is obvious. Here some are afraid - they understand that now their capital and property will be taken right after this. And if you didn’t manage to snykat everything? In addition, it is not a fact that everyone sincerely supports such an alignment. Surely full of supporters of capitulation to the West. Here they are breaking down from the nerve ..
      1. Tank jacket
        Tank jacket 21 February 2022 18: 36
        +2
        So didn't you and your comrades say that Putin is omnipotent and denied the existence of various competing groups in the upper echelons? Now there is an understanding in management? Or is it different?...
        1. paul3390
          paul3390 21 February 2022 18: 48
          +4
          I???? Wake up ... I'm a communist, such nonsense would never have occurred to me .. No brainer - our tops are a kublo with completely different interests ..
      2. Simple
        Simple 21 February 2022 18: 51
        0
        Quote: paul3390
        I think this is an open demonstration of the type of unity of our leaders, and, so to speak, "blood binding" ..


        And I would have formulated this meeting in a different way:

        There is only a moment between the past and the future,
        It is called life.
      3. Pandiurin
        Pandiurin 21 February 2022 19: 02
        +2
        Quote: paul3390
        I think this is an open demonstration of the type of unity of our tops, and, so to speak, "binding with blood" .. Everyone should publicly speak out in favor, thereby incurring thunder from heaven from Western partners. And their reaction is obvious. Here some are afraid - they understand that now their capital and property will be taken right after this. And if you didn’t manage to snykat everything? In addition, it is not a fact that everyone sincerely supports such an alignment. Surely full of supporters of capitulation to the West. Here they are breaking down from the nerve ..


        The next stage, the fifth column traditionally hammers specifically on GDP, Putin should have recognized the LDNR, now sanctions, no blue cheese and lobsters. Now you have to change your shoes and roll it to the Security Council and the State Duma, and not only united Russia.

        Well, everyone had to speak out, it is obvious that changes will now take place in foreign and domestic policy. Especially internal affairs, it seems that personnel issues can be resolved more radically, he gave up the slack, immediately to the exit.

        Recently, Mishustin changed the criteria for evaluating the work of officials, now it is tied to the income of the population, investments, taxes.
        Those. earlier it was possible to do nothing, formally follow the instructions, ruin the business. If they didn’t get caught on bribes, then they were excellent civil servants. Now you can send this with a pendal.
    4. faiver
      faiver 21 February 2022 18: 48
      +2
      nobles, what to take from them ...
    5. gansales
      gansales 21 February 2022 18: 59
      +3
      Quote: Tank jacket
      Sergey Naryshkin somehow strangely showed himself at a meeting of the Security Council, he began to get confused, stumble ... bully
      What was it? I have not seen such a show with changing shoes and throwing from side to side for a long time. laughing
      Speak directly (s)

      I also noticed ... And Putin is well done, how is he .. Say YES or NO!
      And everything became clear, then you would have turned out like you didn’t understand me correctly, etc. The decision is historical and a clear answer is needed here ..
      The time for chatter is ending, it's time to act, otherwise Russia will be rotten and torn apart.
      1. Tank jacket
        Tank jacket 21 February 2022 19: 09
        +1
        To those who think that he got excited, I will say a simple thing. It was about recognizing the independence of the republics of Luhansk and Donetsk, which gives us room for maneuver and an advantage. Naryshkin, on the other hand, proposed to include the republics in the Russian Federation, which contradicts the interests of Russia both in tactical and strategic terms. So the president corrected him. These are the pies...
        1. Machito
          Machito 21 February 2022 20: 30
          0
          Quote: Tank jacket
          To those who think that he got excited, I will say a simple thing. It was about recognizing the independence of the republics of Luhansk and Donetsk, which gives us room for maneuver and an advantage. Naryshkin, on the other hand, proposed to include the republics in the Russian Federation, which contradicts the interests of Russia both in tactical and strategic terms. So the president corrected him. These are the pies...

          Naryshkin said everything correctly. Include all of New Russia in the Russian Federation.
          1. Tank jacket
            Tank jacket 21 February 2022 20: 32
            0
            War is a way of deceit...
            Did you do martial arts?
            Or I'll ask another question. Do you want a taxi or checkers?
            1. Machito
              Machito 21 February 2022 20: 38
              0
              Quote: Tank jacket
              War is a way of deceit...
              Did you do martial arts?
              Or I'll ask another question. Do you want a taxi or checkers?

              I want Nikita Sergeevich Khrushchev with a shoe. So that Zhenya Psaka and Liza Trass crap out of fear. laughing
              And they didn't give a fuck. lol drinks
              1. Tank jacket
                Tank jacket 21 February 2022 20: 44
                0
                The corn maker began to break up the USSR, made an agreement with Lena-Goldfields, swore allegiance to his grandmother Lisa, banned artels, fucked up the trans-Arctic railway, etc.
                1. Machito
                  Machito 21 February 2022 20: 46
                  +2
                  Quote: Tank jacket
                  Kukuruznik began to break up the USSR, agreed with Lena-Goldfields, banned artels, fucked up the trans-Arctic railway, etc.

                  Agree. Messed up.
                  I'm talking about something else now. I'm talking about the shoe at the UN. Inadequate with nuclear missiles will force Lisa Truss to learn geography by heart.
                  1. Tank jacket
                    Tank jacket 21 February 2022 20: 47
                    0
                    So we have Zhirinovsky wink
        2. ada
          ada 21 February 2022 22: 12
          0
          Quote: Tank jacket
          To those who think that he got excited, I will say a simple thing. It was about recognizing the independence of the republics of Luhansk and Donetsk, which gives us room for maneuver and an advantage. Naryshkin, on the other hand, proposed to include the republics in the Russian Federation, which contradicts the interests of Russia both in tactical and strategic terms. So the president corrected him. These are the pies...

          The director of the "spies", even in his sleep, is playing an uninterrupted reconnaissance game with himself, not to mention the show. Whom they are now catching on a bait (rather with a net), and to whom what signal they are sending, I think we will not know, if at all the information for posterity is preserved. These people sneeze even then, according to the scenario of behavior, and only nerves and reservations are all for the observer, and through the "tilivizer" - for everyone (the staff of the Foreign Intelligence Service will have to be increased). The general direction and boundaries of the issue are marked, and so it is clear to everyone. White's double move, but along the same line.
          1. Tank jacket
            Tank jacket 21 February 2022 22: 17
            0
            We play cards in pairs, backgammon, sea battle, virus and Go at the same time...
            Chess is for show.
        3. gansales
          gansales 22 February 2022 19: 23
          +2
          Thanks got it..! I think all this is ahead and will definitely be when we take Kiev
    6. LiSiCyn
      LiSiCyn 21 February 2022 19: 28
      +3
      Quote: Tank jacket
      Sergey Naryshkin somehow strangely showed himself at a meeting of the Security Council, he began to get confused, stumble ...
      What was that?

      Naryshkin "misspoke", He said to include in the composition ... wink
      And then, I realized that I was in a hurry ... laughing
    7. Ural resident
      Ural resident 21 February 2022 19: 44
      +2
      Quote: Tank jacket
      Sergey Naryshkin somehow strangely showed himself at a meeting of the Security Council, he began to get confused, stumble ... bully
      What was it? I have not seen such a show with changing shoes and throwing from side to side for a long time. laughing
      Speak directly (s)

      just not a public person, it’s hard to speak against a million audience, I know from my own experience, I got used to speaking in front of the audience for a long time, at first you can’t say a word, you get used to it over time
      1. Mordvin 3
        Mordvin 3 21 February 2022 21: 42
        0
        Quote: Resident of the Urals
        just not a public person, it’s hard to speak against a million audience, I know from my own experience, I got used to performing in front of the hall for a long time,

        Yeah, how to sing songs, so he is public.
  18. Badabum
    Badabum 21 February 2022 18: 23
    0
    Again we beat the postman, but we need to beat the sender of letters.
    We can’t openly, but we need to start in a quiet one, do garbage to them and apologize that this is accidental, they misunderstood.
    1. gurzuf
      gurzuf 21 February 2022 18: 58
      +1
      I understand that it is not necessary to start with the LDNR, but with Alaska? winked
      1. Badabum
        Badabum 21 February 2022 20: 54
        -1
        They didn’t understand correctly, I’m for quiet sanctions, without officialdom, to reduce the sale of secondary resources in the United States, and if they start accusing us of something, let’s say that this is a misunderstanding, a mistake, everything is being sold as before.
  19. evgen1221
    evgen1221 21 February 2022 18: 25
    +3
    So so so, from the moment - part of the armed formations, I note, does not obey the sun and others. But aren't such formations classified as terrorists and gangs all over the world? With all the consequences of this.
  20. Vasily Onischuk
    Vasily Onischuk 21 February 2022 18: 28
    +3
    The Security Council spoke FOR the Recognition of the Republics. So we are waiting.
  21. sledak
    sledak 21 February 2022 18: 32
    +5
    Zolotov at the end, well done, with all the frankness about the fact that we have a common border not with Ukraine, but with the United States!
    Although they say different things about him, but well done, he said the right thing, no bluntness! Feels without preparation, as he thinks. And I agree with him!
    1. PSih2097
      PSih2097 21 February 2022 18: 34
      +3
      so he added that it was necessary not only to take away the republics, but to move on ...
      1. sledak
        sledak 21 February 2022 18: 43
        +2
        Quote: PSih2097
        so he added that it was necessary not only to take away the republics, but to move on ...

        Yes, I also noticed this.
        1. PSih2097
          PSih2097 21 February 2022 19: 36
          +3
          I personally think that we must go to the end (go to the borders of the USSR with Poland and Moldova with Hungary, Romania, Slovakia), otherwise it will be a cesspool worse than Kosovo (and Kosovo will be so, baby talk).
  22. 501Legion
    501Legion 21 February 2022 18: 37
    +6
    We live in an interesting time, we are waiting for the final result and how it will most likely affect the whole world.
  23. Simple
    Simple 21 February 2022 18: 42
    +4
    Remarkably, in the air space of Ukraine, according to flightradar24,
    no US and UK reconnaissance aircraft are observed.

    Disabled transponders?
    1. MrFYGY
      MrFYGY 21 February 2022 18: 43
      +1
      Afraid to be grounded.
      1. Simple
        Simple 21 February 2022 18: 45
        -1
        It's strange, because they have to "help" their own.
        1. MrFYGY
          MrFYGY 21 February 2022 18: 52
          +3
          For the sake of the Ukrainians, no one will go to the loss of such equipment.
        2. Tank jacket
          Tank jacket 21 February 2022 19: 25
          +3
          In Kabul, they helped their people get on the chassis wassat
    2. Dude
      Dude 21 February 2022 20: 28
      +1
      Disabled transponders?

      Likely.
  24. alesmart
    alesmart 21 February 2022 18: 43
    +1
    I think everything will be as planned, everything is leading to this, today we recognize that tomorrow the troops will be in the Republics.
  25. Pavel57
    Pavel57 21 February 2022 18: 49
    0
    Mariupol from the sea landing, and further to the administrative borders.
  26. kakvastam
    kakvastam 21 February 2022 18: 50
    +5
    I got the impression that Mr. Putin took into account the lessons of the Security Council meeting in the fourteenth and decided to let everyone speak live so that there were no surprises.

    And it was unexpected.
    1. Tank jacket
      Tank jacket 21 February 2022 19: 26
      +1
      Valuable comment good
  27. ODERVIT
    ODERVIT 21 February 2022 18: 51
    +3
    The decision has been made, although it has not yet been announced.
    I think it's right, it's time.
    1. Dude
      Dude 21 February 2022 20: 30
      0
      Now is the time

      Yes, it's been eight years!
  28. Essex62
    Essex62 21 February 2022 18: 52
    -2
    Quote: anjey
    They will drown in their feces. Perhaps now is the time to take the West by the breasts and let it blow away with its historical arrogance, lies and swagger.

    It is necessary to take Berlin again, with transit through Warsaw and the island to the bare stone, by a bulldozer, no matter what towers, piccadiliums, government offices, plains.
  29. Azis
    Azis 21 February 2022 19: 00
    +2
    In general, the Party's policy is clear - to recognize the LNR and the DNR. BUT! Within what limits? And Naryshkin, for some reason looking pale, stammered. Although, his last reservation - "to accept the Republic as part of Russia (not verbatim and corrected by Putin), impresses me.
    1. Essex62
      Essex62 21 February 2022 19: 08
      -1
      It is to return to Russia, everything to the Lviv (Polish region). Went to drill holes in the belt. The times are restless, ascetic, but interesting.
      And it will also be very fun for that part of the bourgeoisie who is not part of the clan of wrestlers. Here they were set up, they definitely have all the assets and kids there.
      1. Azis
        Azis 21 February 2022 19: 24
        +1
        Quote: Essex62
        that part of the bourgeoisie who is not part of the fighter clan will have a lot of fun. Here they were framed
        Do not worry about them, they are there, no matter what "enemy propaganda" broadcasts. And it's time to drill the holes.
        1. Essex62
          Essex62 21 February 2022 19: 29
          -1
          So after all, it will be necessary to trample on someone if they managed to pull everything and everyone out. I wonder where the director's daughters are today?
  30. Vladimir61
    Vladimir61 21 February 2022 19: 04
    +2
    With the exception of some, almost everyone is ready to hug and kiss! I don’t know the solution, but I hope it will be for the Russian world, for our common MOTHERLAND!
  31. Atim80
    Atim80 21 February 2022 19: 19
    +4
    On the one hand, it’s spectacled, somehow, I don’t really want a war ...
    On the other hand, if we are to start, then it would be good for other small mongrels that yapped at Russia to hit the cabbage soup
    1. Vadim237
      Vadim237 21 February 2022 19: 42
      0
      We won’t fight for Ukraine for Ukraine, we just need to recognize the LDNR to bring peacekeepers there, and if the Armed Forces of Ukraine start bullying, we’ll just smash the entire APU grouping in the Donbass in Georgia and the war will end, and for Kiev and Zeleboba a political catastrophe will begin.
    2. Looking for
      Looking for 21 February 2022 19: 49
      0
      If not now, then tomorrow it will be too late. And it will get worse every day.
  32. Sailor
    Sailor 21 February 2022 19: 23
    +4
    I think they will recognize it within the administrative boundaries and give them 48 hours to withdraw the occupying Armed Forces of Ukraine from the Donbass, then whoever did not hide will be hit after the holiday, the majority will go over to the side of Russia, whoever does not have time will either run away or be buried.
    1. Pandiurin
      Pandiurin 21 February 2022 20: 25
      0
      Quote: Sailor
      I think they will recognize it within the administrative boundaries and give them 48 hours to withdraw the occupying Armed Forces of Ukraine from the Donbass, then whoever did not hide will be hit after the holiday, the majority will go over to the side of Russia, whoever does not have time will either run away or be buried.


      Usually such things fix the status quo along the borders existing at the time of recognition. If within administrative boundaries, then this is an ultimatum with a declaration of war in case of refusal to comply with it.
      It seems that Russia tried to get away from the hostilities, and the recognition of the LDNR was simply a way to avoid the same hostilities.
      Therefore, there are big doubts about "within the administrative boundaries." But let's see, they promised to make a decision today, only a few hours left.
  33. Looking for
    Looking for 21 February 2022 19: 47
    +2
    at the moment, the whole of Ukraine froze in fear - does it recognize the explosives of the "republic" or not !!?? Vladimir Vladimirovich!!! - RECOGNIZE!! And you will be grateful.
  34. ivanov.qwert67
    ivanov.qwert67 21 February 2022 19: 53
    +1
    We recognize, we do not recognize, all the same, there will be sanctions, so what is the point of not recognizing? .... we will be hammered with sanctions ... we must admit and score on their sanctions ...)))
  35. w70
    w70 21 February 2022 19: 54
    -7
    Grandpa Vova is just bored. He finally decided that the whole world was meant for him. How many times has this happened in history Nero, Ivan the Terrible, Hitler
    1. Paranoid50
      Paranoid50 21 February 2022 20: 05
      +2
      Quote: w70
      Nero, Ivan the Terrible, Hitler

      belay Sasha Nevzorov, is that you? wassat wassat wassat
    2. Dude
      Dude 21 February 2022 20: 35
      +3
      How many times has this happened in history Nero, Ivan the Terrible, Hitler

      Ivan the Terrible should not be soiled with such a blasphemous neighborhood!
      Few leaders of Russia have done more for its benefit than he.
      1. Essex62
        Essex62 21 February 2022 20: 56
        -1
        What kind of Russia, boyar. Where is a bunch of ghouls like cheese in butter, and a serf's whip?
        1. Dude
          Dude 21 February 2022 23: 56
          +2
          Quote: Essex62
          What kind of Russia, boyar. Where is a bunch of ghouls like cheese in butter, and a serf's whip?

          Not only. Ask what first in Russia it appeared precisely under Grozny in society and the state system. He was a very progressive monarch. Even with jumps.
          Well, look what territorial acquisitions Russia received during his reign. hi
          1. Essex62
            Essex62 22 February 2022 01: 02
            +1
            A man plowing, for his uncle, from dawn to dusk, feeding fleas on an earthen floor, in a thatched hut, is on the ear with the territorial acquisitions of the owners of life, who treat him like a thing.
            1. Dude
              Dude 22 February 2022 01: 20
              0
              Tie up with flood.
              1. Essex62
                Essex62 22 February 2022 01: 24
                +1
                This, comrade, is a life position. I do not accept a backbone, in any form. And the Russian peasant destroyed tsarism a hundred years ago, with all its "achievements" for his, only his, tsarism, benefit.
                1. Dude
                  Dude 22 February 2022 01: 46
                  0
                  I understood your position, and there is undoubtedly a homespun meaning in it; but, IMHO, in this case, it is unnecessarily radical.
                  I’m talking about flooding in the sense that our dialogue has gone far from the topic of the article.
                  1. Essex62
                    Essex62 22 February 2022 02: 15
                    0
                    In this position, the absolute meaning of Capitalism is evil, social inequality is not acceptable. This also leads to the attitude towards the actions of the heirs of the usurper. Including everything in the subject.
            2. Repellent
              Repellent 22 February 2022 01: 44
              0
              Quote: Essex62
              To a man plowing, for his uncle, from dawn to dusk, feeding fleas on an earthen floor, in a thatched hut

              You exaggerate, now this is not found. And you forgot to mention "a bowl of chowder" yes

              Quote: Essex62
              in the ear

              good I'll take it, if you don't mind.

              Quote: Essex62
              masters of life who treat it like a thing

              Well, here's how to tell you... everyone is the master of his own life. And things are very different, from very cheap to unimaginably expensive. As a result, they have different attitudes.

              Everyone can make their life better, not everyone can force themselves to do it. I think so.
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              2. Essex62
                Essex62 22 February 2022 02: 06
                0
                Quote: Repellent
                Quote: Essex62
                To a man plowing, for his uncle, from dawn to dusk, feeding fleas on an earthen floor, in a thatched hut

                You exaggerate, now this is not found. And you forgot to mention "a bowl of chowder" yes
                This is about the times of Ivan the Terrible. Although even today it’s not a problem to portray this, he bucked-death. You can really stay without a population at all.
                Quote: Essex62
                in the ear

                good I'll take it, if you don't mind.
                Please hi

                Quote: Essex62
                masters of life who treat it like a thing

                Well, here's how to tell you... everyone is the master of his own life. And things are very different, from very cheap to unimaginably expensive. As a result, they have different attitudes.

                Everyone can make their life better, not everyone can force themselves to do it. I think so.

                I would argue here. Social relations determine the degree of freedom and opportunities for each of the citizens. No, he can give his life, of course, he is the master here, of course. But then the process stops.
                1. Repellent
                  Repellent 22 February 2022 02: 14
                  +1
                  Quote: Essex62
                  Public relations determine the degree of freedom and opportunities for each of the citizens.

                  It certainly is. Just like that the water is wet laughing

                  I didn't mean that. A person is always able to make the "thing" that he is dearer to others. Expensive things are appreciated. But to make such a "thing" is worth a lot of effort, and the main problem is to force yourself to apply these efforts systematically. To yourself, beloved.

                  I would not speak if I had never done it myself and had not seen how others do it. Difficult, but quite possible.
                  1. Essex62
                    Essex62 22 February 2022 02: 21
                    +1
                    That's for sure. Good things, in general, are few. In modeling, I always strive for maximum copy and try to do what others don't have. This is a lot of time, burned nerves, cut fingers, sleepless nights, but the output is a thing.
  36. north 2
    north 2 21 February 2022 19: 56
    -1
    there will be no war. Simultaneously with the recognition of Donbass, Putin will present Zelensky with an ultimatum to withdraw the Ukrainian army to the borders of the Luhansk and Donetsk regions on the state of the 2014 border. Ten hours to fulfill the ultimatum. There is a distance of a couple of hundred kilometers. The Ukrainian army sat on the equipment and forward. Otherwise, Russian troops will enter the Donbass tomorrow at noon, at the invitation of the recognized republics of Donbass by Russia. And the army of Ukraine will leave tonight. How many times have I said that all the victories of Russia under Putin are unlike one another, not patterns, exclusive and permanent. God forbid, and this victory in the Donbass will not be an exception.
    1. Essex62
      Essex62 21 February 2022 20: 39
      0
      Well, how will the Nazis resist and stand up as detachments, taking the families of the Armed Forces of Ukraine as hostages?
  37. Radikal
    Radikal 21 February 2022 20: 14
    0
    Quote: Vitaliy161
    Quote: Murmur 55
    The West needs this, right now recognition will be equated with aggression and the train of sanctions will rush with renewed vigor, it’s not clear why they dragged on for 8 years, they gave so many lives not for a sniff.
    delayed the sanctions train to give the economy time

    Dali? sad
  38. Vladimir61
    Vladimir61 21 February 2022 20: 17
    0
    Quote: flicker
    And in the end?
    We'll see, we have hope!
  39. Radikal
    Radikal 21 February 2022 20: 21
    +2
    Quote: anjey
    They maneuvered, this is politics .... They maneuvered to the last. They waited for counter Western alternatives, but alas ..., only the Force is clear to them .... We are not at war with Ukraine, but with the USA and NATO.

    Sound signs of war with them - we are investing money in American securities, gas - in Europe. Is this a war? lol Ahh, apparently you meant blah blah for 22 years? Then it was, as it is in Russian, yeah - profanity, and imitation! wassat sad
  40. faiver
    faiver 21 February 2022 20: 23
    0
    That's it, "Vladimir Putin's address in the near future"
  41. Volzhanin64
    Volzhanin64 21 February 2022 20: 26
    0
    Naryshkin behaved like a girl with low social. responsibility. Both ours and yours. This is not how a responsible official should behave. Or he calculated the time he would need to resolve his selfish issues related to the reaction of the West. It seems that the GDP needs to think about whether the person heads the Foreign Intelligence Service
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  43. Essex62
    Essex62 21 February 2022 20: 35
    +1
    Quote: Vadim237
    And it must be admitted that Medvedev's speech was the best without stammering, clear and confident.

    Well, Duc, a friend warned in advance that the check "for lice" was being prepared impromptu. An iPhone was prepared, the text was memorized. The rest of the wheels answered, worried.
  44. Amateur
    Amateur 21 February 2022 20: 38
    -2
    Quote: aleksejkabanets
    Quote: Vitaliy161
    works in critical areas,

    Does not work! There is no import substitution in IT, neither in agriculture, nor food security, because they work with Western seeds and Western breeding stock, etc. etc. You can list a lot, nothing, by and large, has been done since 2014.
    Quote: Vitaliy161
    We plant dill seeds, you look for positive in your Krajina, and we are Russians somehow ourselves

    Do you have any arguments other than how to get personal? And yes, I lived and live in the Russian Federation, and more and more often I have to be ashamed of "Russians" like you.

    Why be ashamed. Fall on Ukraine. Or to Poland. You can even in the US.
  45. opposite28
    opposite28 21 February 2022 22: 42
    0
    The issue of recognition of the Donetsk and Lugansk Republics was raised long ago.
    Monday is a hard day repeat recourse drinks
  46. sniperino
    sniperino 21 February 2022 22: 46
    0
    That's what they recognized.
  47. Denis Denis
    Denis Denis 23 February 2022 16: 14
    0
    Putin is beautiful!!! Respect to him