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Finnish historian: Russia will require Finland to confirm the obligations given by the USSR

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Russia has begun the restoration of the USSR, all the latest actions carried out by the Kremlin speak of this. Moscow will soon require Finland to confirm the commitments made during the Soviet Union. The Finnish historian Jukka Seppinen came to this conclusion.


In his article for Talouselämä, the former diplomat writes that Russia has moved on to the stage of "returning" the USSR. As part of this stage, it has already captured the Crimea and in the near future may launch an offensive against Ukraine. According to the historian, the collapse of the Soviet Union in Russia is perceived as a "geopolitical catastrophe", so Moscow began to take steps towards its revival. However, there is no complete certainty that Russia will be able to win in Ukraine. Western countries will not allow Putin to revive the USSR and again divide it into spheres of influence.

Seppinen considers the situation from Finland's side and estimates what will happen when Russia demands from Finland to renew the Treaty of Friendship, Cooperation and Mutual Assistance, signed in 1949 and in force until 1992, i.e. before the collapse of the Soviet Union. This agreement implied military cooperation between the two countries in the event of a military clash, first with West Germany, and then with NATO, and obligated Finland to independently make defense efforts if the attack on the USSR went through Finnish territory.

Most of all, the Finnish historian is afraid that Russia, on the path to restoring the USSR, will require Finland to sign something similar to this treaty, and the country's leadership will sign it and thereby be drawn into the conflict. The ex-diplomat urges the government not to do this under any circumstances.

The demand to renew the treaty is already on the lips. It must be abandoned

- he sums up.
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  1. aybolyt678
    aybolyt678 17 February 2022 15: 10
    -30
    Today's Russia will not pull what the USSR pulled... In fact, we don’t even need Ukraine, we don’t have any money or specialist managers for it.
    1. Olkhovsky
      Olkhovsky 17 February 2022 15: 16
      +33
      In fact, we don’t even need Ukraine, we don’t have any money or specialist managers for it.

      You, office managers, do not need anything at all, just "would * opa be warm." You measure everything with money.
      1. Thrifty
        Thrifty 17 February 2022 15: 33
        +11
        What a sadness for the Finns? If only the ships would continue to go to Russia, and vodka was available there. wassat
        1. Tatyana
          Tatyana 17 February 2022 17: 51
          +4
          All Western analysts - henchmen of the United States - as if by choice, are trying to shield the aggressive policy of NATO, which is supported by the United States. Some do it directly, others indirectly.
          At the same time, some "analysts" scare the population of Europe with an armed attack by Russia on NATO countries, others are insane - with the revival of the USSR! And all this boils down to their supposedly FAIR support for the Bandero-Nazis of Ukraine.

          Meanwhile, in the theory of warfare, there are unshakable RULES for the aggressor to prepare the aggressor for a war of conquest. Namely.

          1. The aggressor must have ALLIES in his CONQUEST war.

          2.The aggressor must promise his allies an attractive share of the profits from participation and in case of victory in the CONQUERIAL war of the main aggressor.
          Then, by the right of the strong, the MAIN aggressor can REFUSE to fulfill the promise to the allies.

          3. CONQUEST WAR in relation to the victim country should look from the side of the coalition of aggressors as a JUST punishment of the victim of aggression for her disobedience and disobedience to the MAIN invader-aggressor in protecting his national interests.

          4. For this, firstly, the aggressor needs to DEMONIZE the victim of aggression - the country and its state forming the people - in the eyes of the international community.[
          For, secondly, the governments of the aggressor countries need the CONSENT of their own population and the population of the allied countries on their direct active participation in the war for the national interests of the MAIN instigator of aggression.
        2. seregatara1969
          seregatara1969 17 February 2022 17: 57
          +2
          This agreement implied military cooperation between the two countries in the event of a military clash, first with West Germany, and then with NATO, and obligated Finland to independently make defense efforts if the attack on the USSR went through Finnish territory.

          and now Finland will not be able to defend itself on its own? they are Europeans
      2. Decadence
        Decadence 17 February 2022 15: 37
        -12
        I will upset you, but with bare *opy, as you put it, and imperialist ambitions in the 21st century you will not go far, the economy is one of the pillars of the prosperity of the state.

        And moreover, to condemn a person for wanting to live well is the pinnacle of disgust.
        1. Dude
          Dude 17 February 2022 16: 02
          +6
          Quote: Decadence
          I will upset you, but with bare *opy, as you put it, and imperialist ambitions in the 21st century you will not go far, the economy is one of the pillars of the prosperity of the state.

          And moreover, to condemn a person for wanting to live well is the pinnacle of disgust.

          You know, your nickname resonates very well with what you declare... repeat
          1. Decadence
            Decadence 17 February 2022 16: 26
            -10
            Actually, my full name was supposed to be Visual Decadence, and it was more of a reference to my being a Visual Kei fan, but the underscore as an alternative to a space insidiously sabotaged my plan.
            1. Dude
              Dude 17 February 2022 17: 12
              +2
              Quote: Decadence
              Actually, my full name was supposed to be Visual Decadence, and it was more of a reference to my being a Visual Kei fan, but the underscore as an alternative to a space insidiously sabotaged my plan.

              For some reason I’m not surprised.
              1. Decadence
                Decadence 17 February 2022 17: 13
                -7
                Are you familiar with the above aesthetic trend?)
                1. Dude
                  Dude 17 February 2022 17: 15
                  +6
                  Quote: Decadence
                  Are you familiar with the above aesthetic trend?)

                  You will not believe, but my horizons are quite wide.
                  Only to call this aesthetic trend, I would be careful hi
                  1. Decadence
                    Decadence 17 February 2022 17: 22
                    -10
                    Well, androgyny and shock-rock are quite aesthetics, the question is purely in the eye of the beholder.) I would say that this is a very Japanese phenomenon, going deep into Japanese culture and the Japanese themselves's craving for bizarre beauty and androgyny. Tellingly, the latter is highly correlated with attractiveness to the opposite sex.
                    1. Dude
                      Dude 17 February 2022 18: 26
                      +4
                      . Tellingly, the latter is highly correlated with attractiveness to the opposite sex.

                      Excuse me, but are there only two genders? I, the other day, heard that there are almost a dozen dozen, according to the mainstream? belay
                      1. Decadence
                        Decadence 17 February 2022 18: 57
                        -9
                        To simplify, there are:

                        1 - Biological sex is the XX / XY chromosome and a couple of extremely rare exceptions, for example, people with congenital hermaphroditism, of which 2-3 percent of the entire population of the earth will be typed.

                        2 - Gender, in other words, social gender or how a person feels, that is, whether he associates himself with a man or a woman, as well as with one or another social and gender role traditionally assigned to this gender.

                        For example, if a person was biologically born a man but feels like a woman, and as a result of the cognitive dissonance that has arisen between him, he suffers, and then performs a sex change operation and feels good, this is a transgender.

                        There are people who do not associate themselves with any gender, the same queer persons. In general, everything is not so complicated, and in fact a great many genders are an attempt to cover all spectrums of perception of groups of people.

                        In my opinion, the attempt is disastrous, because how many people, so many options. And some of the cases really require qualified medical assistance from a psychiatrist, but I emphasize not forcible, and without attempts to make "Schaub like a normal person was" but simply qualified assistance.
                      2. Titus_2
                        Titus_2 18 February 2022 11: 27
                        +4
                        Pomoymu you got lost and apparently got to the wrong site.
      3. aybolyt678
        aybolyt678 17 February 2022 20: 14
        +3
        Quote: Olkhovsky
        am, office managers

        Why am I an office manager? who measures the loot?? Well, let's say we took Ukraine, put locals in posts? They will plunder and make us guilty .. Put your own, too, they will write off the dough for local specifics. In Crimea, for how many years we have been trying to live according to the laws of the locals !! and it almost doesn't work! they are used to it!
        We have a managerial crisis since the collapse of the USSR! socialistically - we can't! did not learn money! And there is a lot to be invested in!
        1. Olkhovsky
          Olkhovsky 17 February 2022 23: 24
          -1
          In Crimea, for how many years we have been trying to live according to the laws of the locals !! and it almost doesn't work! they are used to it!
          We have a managerial crisis since the collapse of the USSR! socialistically - we can't! did not learn money! And there is a lot to be invested in!

          And now what? Scatter Russian lands ?? If our ancestors would have thought so, then they would have remained within the Moscow principality. "You need to look at problems more broadly" and be more decisive.
    2. Starover_Z
      Starover_Z 17 February 2022 15: 16
      +23
      Quote: aybolyt678
      In fact, we don’t even need Ukraine

      Not that it is not needed, it is necessary to develop your own, it is simply IMPOSSIBLE to give it to the West.
      Okay, neutral, but not Western!
      Otherwise, the States will not calm down until they register their military there!
      1. vitvit123
        vitvit123 17 February 2022 16: 42
        +6
        There is nothing neutral (country) .. there are always interests ... therefore ...
    3. neri73-r
      neri73-r 17 February 2022 15: 19
      +10
      Quote: aybolyt678
      Today's Russia will not pull what the USSR pulled ..

      For now, everything has its time. The union didn’t get stronger right away either, tell a person from the USSR in 1920 about the USSR in 1953, for example, or in 1961!
      1. alekseykabanets
        alekseykabanets 17 February 2022 16: 52
        -7
        Quote: neri73-r
        For now, everything has its time. The union didn’t get stronger right away either, tell a person from the USSR in 1920 about the USSR in 1953, for example, or in 1961!

        Yeah, you’d better tell him about the Russian Federation in 2021.)))) We’ve been getting stronger and stronger for 30 years already, minus 1 million a year of the population, how long is it left to get stronger? Comparing the Russian Federation with the USSR is stupid and inappropriate in this context, because the Russian Federation is an antagonist state of the USSR, do you really understand this?
        1. mitroha
          mitroha 17 February 2022 19: 15
          +1
          You will find shit in a gold mine. Everyone understands this
          1. alekseykabanets
            alekseykabanets 17 February 2022 19: 27
            +1
            Quote: Mitroha
            You will find shit in a gold mine. Everyone understands this

            And you, instead of getting personal, try better to refute my comment! Tell us that the Russian Federation - takes care of its citizens, like the USSR, defeated unemployment, like the USSR, made universal accessible and free education, like the USSR, made a hospital bed fund, more than in the USSR, the birth rate in the Russian Federation exceeded the birth rate in the USSR, what is not ? Can you refute the fact that the Russian Federation is an antagonist state of the USSR? So, that this is not a gold mine, but shit, it is - shit.
            1. mitroha
              mitroha 17 February 2022 20: 02
              +1
              You haven't proven anything yet to disprove. And I'm just stating the very fact of the constant pouring of slop, on your part, on my country
              1. alekseykabanets
                alekseykabanets 17 February 2022 20: 14
                0
                Quote: Mitroha
                And I'm just stating the very fact of the constant pouring of slops on my country

                Do not distort! I have never poured slop on our common country, I love my Motherland! But I do not consider this state to be my own and I see that it is slowly but surely killing my Motherland and the people to which I belong.
              2. Titus_2
                Titus_2 18 February 2022 11: 33
                -1
                And let me inquire about the property you have from that country or were able to buy yourself. I got an apartment from that Country, and the current state imposes fines, taxes, etc., but the obligations are somehow not very good.
        2. Sebastian Aristarkhovich Pereira
          Sebastian Aristarkhovich Pereira 18 February 2022 09: 47
          +3
          So you need to multiply, and not run around clubs with iPhones and dump sissy on tik-tok to idiotic dances! We ourselves are the creators of our own today and there is nothing to nod at the USSR, where every young man paid money for childlessness, if you remember or know ....
          1. Titus_2
            Titus_2 18 February 2022 11: 35
            0
            And what percentage of a communal apartment were paid and what we are paying now.
            1. Sebastian Aristarkhovich Pereira
              Sebastian Aristarkhovich Pereira 18 February 2022 12: 31
              +2
              So you choose, live and multiply, as your ancestors bequeathed, or live to pay a communal apartment ... what
              1. Titus_2
                Titus_2 18 February 2022 13: 57
                0
                Are you hard on logic? I have two daughters and a stepdaughter, there are some difficulties with the youngest and my wife does not work, but frankly she wants another child, at least there would be a smaller communal apartment and the price increase is not so intense ..,.. Yes, just if I felt that the state needs its own citizens, not migrants. In the USSR we were a resource, now we are the second oil. About all sorts of mats. Don’t say capital, everything went to the stepdaughter’s studies. After the birth of the youngest, I was surprised how many stakes only the woman who gave birth needs to collect, and, moreover, all in a limited time.
                1. Sebastian Aristarkhovich Pereira
                  Sebastian Aristarkhovich Pereira 19 February 2022 22: 12
                  +1
                  You are strange ... where are your problems ?! We basically do not want to have children. They want to fly to Egypt, build up asses and earn money by "blogging" about how they build them up! Everything is clear about your attitude to the state ... the banal "we are oil", resources, mingrants is a song that has stuck on the teeth of those who see the refrigerator as the main meaning of life and are sad about the small capital! It's strange how
                  we gave birth to our children for free, taught them ourselves later, and at the same time did not consider that our country is bad ... And yet, how many certificates a woman who has just given birth should collect at lightning speed, very interesting ?! I need to ask my daughter what ordeals she went through, maybe she still collects them?!
                  1. Titus_2
                    Titus_2 20 February 2022 15: 51
                    0
                    Perhaps I am strange, but by my own example I wanted to show the attitude of the state towards the people. About some things, thanks for thinking of the type of oil and other relevant topics for me. I don’t think much about abroad .... once, although the health of the youngest requires the sea. By the way, you gave birth in another state, apparently, but drown for the current one. I do not presume to judge and I do not advise you, but you should not generalize everyone.
                    1. Sebastian Aristarkhovich Pereira
                      Sebastian Aristarkhovich Pereira 20 February 2022 21: 40
                      +1
                      We gave birth in this, although there can be no difference for me. A person has one homeland, regardless of changes in the economy and politics. Oddly enough, despite the fact that life was much harder then than it is now, we loved it no less and did not point at the authorities and the oligarchs! I wish you to solve your daughter's health problems and understand that there is no bad Motherland, but what it is and what we will leave to our children, it depends on you and me!
    4. Smoker
      Smoker 17 February 2022 15: 23
      +17
      Quote: aybolyt678
      Today's Russia will not pull what the USSR pulled....

      And under the USSR, Russia pulled almost everything, and from that it lived poorer than the same Georgians, Balts, Uzbeks, etc.



      Quote: aybolyt678
      In fact, we don’t even need Ukraine, we don’t have any money or specialist managers for it.

      Ukraine is needed as a union state with a strong economy in order to gain a consumer market from the former republics, to 250 million consumers.. at least... Otherwise, we cannot withstand global economic competition. Otherwise, our market will remain at most Central Asia, perhaps Iran, the same Afghanistan is a beggar .... China will not let us into its market ...
    5. ioan-e
      ioan-e 17 February 2022 15: 36
      +10
      Quote: aybolyt678
      Today's Russia will not pull what the USSR pulled

      The one who does nothing does not pull!

      In fact, we don’t even need Ukraine, we don’t have any money or specialist managers for it.

      Remember the situation in the country after the end of the civil war, now the situation is much better in all aspects! You just need to stop believing in liberal stories and remember what subsistence farming is - everything vital must be produced domestically in sufficient quantities, set yourself this goal and go for it! And then the road will be mastered by the walking one! And whining won't help!
      PS And most importantly - to drive all "effective managers" from all sectors of the national economy! Economists should serve the interests of production, and not vice versa!
      1. Camel
        Camel 18 February 2022 20: 06
        +1
        I support the postscript most of all! Agree one hundred percent!
      2. Jager
        Jager 18 February 2022 21: 45
        -4
        I will only say one thing. The successes of the USSR since 1920 and the USSR of 1952 somehow cannot be compared at all with the "successes" of the Russian Federation of the 1992 model and the Russian Federation of 2022. Even in the conditions of the Civil and Great Patriotic War.
        What liberals, what recovery, wake up! You just look at the main shareholders of Gazprom and who sits in the ministers. What questions can there be after that?
    6. kind
      kind 17 February 2022 15: 38
      +16
      Quote: aybolyt678
      Today's Russia will not pull what the USSR pulled... In fact, we don’t even need Ukraine, we don’t have any money or specialist managers for it.

      It's true. There were 37 ministers in the USSR and everything was managed. Deputies of the USSR worked at plants, factories, institutes. If a person was elected to the Supreme Council, this did not mean that he was leaving his place of work. The deputy continued to work, however, in addition to the main work, he still made decisions, worked for the benefit of the people who elected him.
      A deputy in the USSR is not a job, but the trust of citizens who have elected a person to this high post.
      The deputies of the USSR did not receive money. All they had was wages at the plants and factories where they worked. Of course, there were travel allowances and compensation for attending sessions, but the deputies didn't have salaries.
      Most of the time people worked at machine tools, in mines, worked as welders. The time came when it was necessary to go to Moscow and make a decision. This happened infrequently - only a few times a year. Then everyone gathered and worked on the laws, and then returned back to their enterprises.
      Now the deputies are working against their people!
      1. prior
        prior 17 February 2022 15: 59
        +11
        If only the deputies!
        Can the Central Bank or Sberbank act for the benefit of the people?
        You might think that the pension fund cares about pensioners.
        Ministry of Education about education,
        Ministry of Health about health....
        At work I tried to certify a simple welded, but responsible part.
        Drowned in GOSTs, regulations, regulations, standards and other instructions.
        There is no clear algorithm. Everything is thought up to finish off the production.
        The corruption component is 146%.
        One quality management system with its auditors is worth something.
        I would kill everyone...
        1. Jager
          Jager 18 February 2022 21: 52
          +1
          One can only talk about production and science in the Russian Federation without clinking glasses with a faceted glass ...
          This is a disaster... If the defense industry and oil and gas enterprises are excluded from the manufacturing sector, there will be little left in the country.
          There is almost no automobile production or completely on foreign components, the aviation industry is stagnating, the space industry is bent ...
          Locomotive building? At the very least, we are doing trunk lines, but as for high-speed traffic and breakthrough developments, here we are between Laos and Zimbabwe. "Ours" in fact turns out to be a licensed production of a foreign one with an extremely low degree of localization of the main components.
      2. Storog dvornik
        Storog dvornik 17 February 2022 16: 43
        +1
        And the deputies were elected by the labor collective, from the most intelligent and punchy ones, those who could express the problems of the workers to the factory director in person ... And God forbid, he would not take action ...
        And for those who tried to build personal gain or a career, through deputyship, there was a very serious leverage - the recall of a deputy mandate ... The current brakes of this kind are not stupid and close - he lied from three boxes, got out, and endure 4 years ...
        By the way, both party organizers and trade union leaders in the field were also completely social activists ...
        1. Jager
          Jager 18 February 2022 21: 58
          0
          At our research institute, the trade union is able to collect "tribute" and issue tickets for cultural events to the chosen and close ones. There is also "financial assistance" for the holidays. But when I calculated, it turned out that I could save up this financial assistance without deducting trade union dues for several months)
          In controversial and difficult situations, the trade union takes the pose "I have paws."
          1. Storog dvornik
            Storog dvornik 23 February 2022 17: 50
            0
            The meaning of the trade union, the protection of the rights of workers, you pay monthly dues for this ...
            Your questions about his incompetence ... are in your hands ... re-elect to the wilderness ... If your claims are correct and the labor collective supports, get elected or become the leader of the workers' union yourself ... They won't understand the bourgeois authorities, they won't understand, only download rights in production...
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    7. ivan2022
      ivan2022 17 February 2022 16: 34
      +3
      If a society is politically immature, it does not need anything from anyone, not only from the Finns, but even from its own state. He has no strength or even motives.
      Vegetables don't need anything. They just eat it.
    8. vitvit123
      vitvit123 17 February 2022 16: 40
      +6
      Of course it won't work now! And I will pull the Union in what year? In the 49th - they won the whole of Europe, the Finns could not refuse there .., and if the USSR had proposed such an agreement for a Finn in 88+ -, then I’m not at all sure that the USSR would have been pulled ...
    9. Alexfly
      Alexfly 17 February 2022 18: 54
      +4
      In Soviet times, Ukraine was of the most significant importance, since the most labor-intensive and modern production facilities were located there ... many of which were rebuilt after the Second World War.
  2. den3080
    den3080 17 February 2022 15: 13
    +9
    The Finns and Swedes confirmed their non-bloc status the other day. The Swedes, for the fortress, also held a meeting of the Riksdag and issued a corresponding statement.
    And in both countries the following opinion prevails: If anything, we are aloof from this movement, thank God.
    With a joyful intonation, like the last phrase in an advertisement: For knee pain - Dolgit cream in yellow packaging ... smile
  3. sen
    sen 17 February 2022 15: 14
    +19
    As part of this stage, she has already captured the Crimea

    Not captured, but returned the original Russian. The United States was already going to deploy its base there.
    1. GELEZNII_KAPUT
      GELEZNII_KAPUT 17 February 2022 15: 47
      +3
      Quote: sen
      Not captured, but returned the original Russian. The United States was already going to deploy its base there.

      Yeah, they were very surprised then, they still can’t calm down! laughing
  4. DmSol
    DmSol 17 February 2022 15: 21
    +20
    In fact, the USSR began with a national idea. Now this is not the case and we cannot offer people anything in this regard. Therefore, all this talk about re-creation is bullshit.
    1. Dart2027
      Dart2027 17 February 2022 15: 33
      -15
      In fact, the USSR began with a national idea.
      How tired of the lovers of ideas.
      1. DmSol
        DmSol 17 February 2022 15: 47
        +10
        Probably tired of the fact that we can’t shit our brains with any bullshit. Life, then it is moreover, every day shows the "bestial grin of capitalism." :)
        1. Dart2027
          Dart2027 17 February 2022 15: 52
          -9
          Quote: DmSol
          Life, then it is moreover, every day shows the "bestial grin of capitalism." :)
          And in the USSR, everything was just like in a fairy tale. "Animal grin" is just beautiful words, and people remain people with all their shortcomings, no matter what idea you proclaim.
          1. Storog dvornik
            Storog dvornik 17 February 2022 17: 03
            +2
            In the USSR, if a person worked, he didn’t drink, everything was ... My parents got apartments TWO times FOR FREE ... There was a VAZ-2103 in 1978, there was a summer house, a garage and annual holidays by the sea, from 1979 to 1982 my mother / teacher of biology in ShRM, traveled all over Eastern Europe ... Just don’t need to say that those close to the “trough” lived well, I repeat: live honestly, study - FOR FREE, work and don’t drink, and everything will be ... And stupid, loafers and drunks , and there was enough in the USSR, but even they had their own living space - FOR FREE ...
            1. Dart2027
              Dart2027 17 February 2022 17: 17
              -6
              Quote: Storog Dvornik
              My parents got apartments for FREE TWICE...

              Quote: Storog Dvornik
              Just don’t talk about the fact that those close to the “trough” lived well, I repeat: live honestly, study - FREE OF CHARGE, work and don’t drink, and everything will be ...
              Truth? I'm wondering why TWO times? That there were so many apartments there that no one needed them?
              1. Storog dvornik
                Storog dvornik 22 February 2022 13: 07
                0
                Citizen, the Soviet government appreciated and stimulated the workers ... Therefore, it could give housing to a valuable worker TWO or THREE times ... and paid salaries higher than those of the minister, sometimes at times ... a normal miner or fisherman, a fisherman, had a salary higher than the profile minister ...
                And loafers were imprisoned in the zone - a period of 1 year
                general regime for parasitism ...
                The principle of socialism: WHO DOES NOT WORK DOES NOT EAT ...
                Imagine a citizen - there were no homeless people and beggars on the streets, and there were no locks in the entrances of houses either ...
                1. Dart2027
                  Dart2027 22 February 2022 13: 12
                  -1
                  Quote: Storog Dvornik
                  Citizen, the Soviet government appreciated and stimulated the workers ... Therefore, it could give housing to a valuable worker TWO and THREE times
                  Truth? And why did he live in three apartments at once? I recalled a story heard in childhood that one clever veteran got an apartment, re-registered it for one of the children, she was given a second one, she re-registered it, received a third.
                  1. Storog dvornik
                    Storog dvornik 22 February 2022 13: 27
                    0
                    You fantasize about getting an improved living space due to the birth of a child (my case), the previous one gave up ... Or became a professor - get additional space, etc.
                    About the veteran, you have questions for the bourgeois Russian Federation, all the front-line soldiers had housing, here are those who lived in the private sector and were wiser after the USSR, although at 90 you don’t cheat much, all sorts of relatives ...
                    In the USSR, apartments were free for everyone ... There was an opportunity for a cooperative for money, or a house on the ground, respectively, people invested ...
                    1. Dart2027
                      Dart2027 22 February 2022 14: 39
                      -1
                      Quote: Storog Dvornik
                      You fantasize about getting an improved living space due to the birth of a child (my case), the previous one gave up ...

                      That is, it was not his own apartment, but a state one?
                      Quote: Storog Dvornik
                      About the veteran, it’s you who have questions for the bourgeois Russian Federation, all the front-line soldiers had housing, here are those who lived in the private sector and were wiser after the USSR
                      Bourgeois Russian Federation to history from the USSR?
                      Quote: Storog Dvornik
                      In the USSR, apartments were free for everyone ...

                      Quote: Storog Dvornik
                      There was an opportunity to co-op for money
                      So for free or for money?
                      1. Storog dvornik
                        Storog dvornik 23 February 2022 14: 18
                        0
                        Citizen, how old are you?
                        For the victims of the Unified State Examination, I explain in detail (they also turned off Google and Yandex) ...
                        1. In the USSR, the housing stock was state-owned and free of charge, everyone registered in the apartment lived in it indefinitely (until death in fact), they were discharged only for military service in the USSR Armed Forces, or to prison, but with the right to return registration after the term of service or zone. ..
                        2. In the USSR, all front-line soldiers, like all citizens, lived in free public housing, or in a private one built with their own money ... The bourgeois Russian Federation made it possible to manipulate ...
                        3. Cooperative apartments, citizens built for their own money, as they are now ... Example, my mother made a contribution of 500 rubles in 1966 (moved in 1968), paid the remaining 2500 for a single apartment until 1985 ... I bought it for my grandmother, who has a pension was 40 rubles ... The family lived in a free apartment ... One did not interfere with the other ...
                      2. Dart2027
                        Dart2027 23 February 2022 15: 26
                        0
                        Quote: Storog Dvornik
                        Citizen, how old are you?

                        For forty.
                        Quote: Storog Dvornik
                        1. In the USSR, the housing stock was state-owned and free, everyone registered in the apartment lived in it indefinitely
                        Especially in utilities.
                        Quote: Storog Dvornik
                        Cooperative apartments, citizens built for their money, as they are now
                        That is, there weren’t enough “free” ones for everyone and you had to spend your own.
                        Quote: Storog Dvornik
                        The bourgeois Russian Federation made it possible to manipulate ...
                        What?
                      3. Storog dvornik
                        Storog dvornik 23 February 2022 17: 19
                        0
                        Who is "over forty", I don't know I'm full 53 years old, soon 54 ...
                        Judging by the "blockages", you were born in the USSR at least turn around, turn around... Ask your parents how much dough and mortgages they gave for a place ...
                        - your conception... or on the train?
                        -------
                        In the USSR, the housing stock was state-owned and free, everyone registered in the apartment lived in it indefinitely - do not believe it, check in the primary sources ...
                        ------
                        Fools at 90 and still lie that there was a dictatorship in the USSR ... No ... My father received 500-700 rubles on business trips, and the relevant minister in Moscow - 550 rubles ... count? ...
                        In 1977, my father was offered a position in the ministry and moving to Moscow from Omsk ... he sent them ... He clearly lost money ...
                        In the USSR, Moscow was the center of ministries and speculators ... hemorrhoids ...
                      4. Dart2027
                        Dart2027 23 February 2022 19: 54
                        0
                        Quote: Storog Dvornik
                        Judging by the "blockages", you were born in the USSR at least turn around turn around turn around...
                        And even lived.
                        Quote: Storog Dvornik
                        Ask your parents how much money and mortgage they paid for the place... - your conception
                        Are you talking about a communal apartment in the basement? About the basement in the literal sense.
                        Quote: Storog Dvornik
                        In the USSR, the housing stock was state-owned and free
                        That is, everything belonged to the state.
                        Quote: Storog Dvornik
                        and the relevant minister in Moscow
                        And this profile minister also had such benefits that someone's father did not even dare to dream of.
            2. Alex Justice
              Alex Justice 18 February 2022 10: 38
              +1
              My parents got apartments for FREE TWICE..

              I can’t believe it.
              My relatives in St. Petersburg, three families, 9 people lived in one room.
              1. Storog dvornik
                Storog dvornik 22 February 2022 12: 52
                0
                Parents divorced, my mother left a child - my brother, she was given a 1-room apartment. apartment ... After 6 years they agreed, I was born, my father 5 years later in 1974, on New Year's Eve they received a 3-room apartment. apartment... City of Omsk...
                What your "relatives in St. Petersburg, three families, 9 people" did and where they worked, I don't know ... My father in the 70s, received 350 rubles. salary, and 500-700 r. on business trips, in which he was for half a year ... A man worked ...
                1. Alex Justice
                  Alex Justice 22 February 2022 19: 00
                  +1
                  Worked at the Kirov factory. I lived in a communal apartment too.
                  1. Storog dvornik
                    Storog dvornik 23 February 2022 14: 02
                    0
                    Normal workers ... Respect ... Father was constantly "in the North" ...
                    I'm from Omsk, we had "northern" salaries + 20%, if I'm not mistaken in Leningrad, respectively, no ...
                    In Omsk, housing by the number of family members, any builder in housing construction, received ONE YEAR after employment until 1989-90, many did so (a lot was built) ...
      2. Dude
        Dude 17 February 2022 16: 07
        +3
        Quote: Dart2027
        In fact, the USSR began with a national idea.
        How tired of the lovers of ideas.

        Doesn't it bother you that in Russian, the adjective "unprincipled" carries, among other things, a negative connotation? winked
        1. Dart2027
          Dart2027 17 February 2022 17: 19
          -4
          Quote: Dude
          But it doesn’t bother you that in Russian, the adjective "unprincipled" carries
          Anything can be in the language, but when ideas are put at the forefront, then over time these ideas become dogmas that conflict with the realities of life. And it always ends badly.
          1. Dude
            Dude 17 February 2022 18: 18
            +2
            Anything can be in a language

            You underestimate the importance of language. Language, in particular, is a reflection of consciousness.
            ...but when ideas come first...

            And when was it different?
            1. Dart2027
              Dart2027 17 February 2022 18: 21
              -5
              Quote: Dude
              And when was it different?
              That's why you don't need any great ideas.
              1. Dude
                Dude 17 February 2022 18: 27
                +1
                Quote: Dart2027
                Quote: Dude
                And when was it different?
                That's why you don't need any great ideas.

                I don't see where it comes from.
                1. Dart2027
                  Dart2027 17 February 2022 19: 36
                  -2
                  Quote: Dude
                  I don't see where it comes from.

                  Quote: Dart2027
                  when ideas are put at the forefront, then over time these ideas become dogmas that conflict with the realities of life. And it always ends badly.
                  YES, at first, the idea can captivate people, they light up and ... Time passes and you have to pay for initial success. Enthusiasts are replaced by careerists, dogmas are defended at the expense of facts and common sense, and one has to fight with one's own ideas.
                  1. Dude
                    Dude 17 February 2022 20: 16
                    -1
                    Quote: Dart2027
                    Quote: Dude
                    I don't see where it comes from.

                    Quote: Dart2027
                    when ideas are put at the forefront, then over time these ideas become dogmas that conflict with the realities of life. And it always ends badly.
                    YES, at first, the idea can captivate people, they light up and ... Time passes and you have to pay for initial success. Enthusiasts are replaced by careerists, dogmas are defended at the expense of facts and common sense, and one has to fight with one's own ideas.

                    Sophistry, nothing more.
                    1. Dart2027
                      Dart2027 17 February 2022 20: 56
                      +1
                      Quote: Dude
                      Sophistry, nothing more
                      Not at all. The fact that idealists are replaced by careerists can be easily traced, at least on the example of knightly orders - they started with ascetic pilgrims, and ended with usurers. Similarly, the fact that the idea put at the forefront begins to contradict the realities of life - for example, equality in the United States.
  5. Andrey Moskvin
    Andrey Moskvin 17 February 2022 15: 37
    +4
    Finnish dreamer. What Union? Today, we ourselves cannot really unite in the CIS, who else to join and how to lure?
  6. svp67
    svp67 17 February 2022 15: 40
    +1
    The Finnish historian Jukka Seppinen came to this conclusion.
    Historian????? This is to be doubted. What kind of a historian is he if he does not understand the difference between the RSFSR, which brought together the USSR, and the current Russian Federation?
    In Finland, that the USSR, that the current Russian Federation has invested a lot of money, so that it is even very worth clarifying the position of Finland ...
    1. Paranoid50
      Paranoid50 17 February 2022 15: 55
      +4
      Quote: svp67
      it’s even worth clarifying Finland’s position ...

      But what is there to clarify - after the Second World War, the Helsinki region of the Leningrad region always followed in the wake. yes laughing It is not for nothing that Finland (like Austria) was one of the most friendly capitalist countries to the USSR. Yes, and now not very moved away.
      1. svp67
        svp67 17 February 2022 16: 21
        +3
        Quote: Paranoid50
        Yes, and now not very moved away.

        But how can I say ... One desire to form a military alliance Sweden-Finland-Norway already says a lot
        1. Paranoid50
          Paranoid50 17 February 2022 16: 41
          0
          Quote: svp67
          One desire to form a military alliance Sweden-Finland-Norway already says a lot

          So let's drink to ensure that our desires coincide with our capabilities!(C) laughing
  7. Alien From
    Alien From 17 February 2022 15: 42
    +1
    Finnish comrade ate the wrong mushrooms wassat
  8. Decadence
    Decadence 17 February 2022 15: 46
    -11
    I've always tried to understand why so many people are so excited about the idea of ​​a huge country? "So that from sea to sea, and also the fields were earing! And they were also afraid of Schaub! And more rockets!" Especially at a time when there is virtually no money to develop what is available. (and if they exist, they are actively plundered)
    1. tihonmarine
      tihonmarine 17 February 2022 15: 53
      +2
      Quote: Decadence
      I've always tried to understand why so many people are so excited about the idea of ​​a huge country?

      Better don't try.
    2. Dart2027
      Dart2027 17 February 2022 15: 54
      +5
      Quote: Decadence
      I've always tried to understand why so many people are so excited about the idea of ​​a huge country?
      I wholeheartedly support the idea of ​​dividing the US into 50 small and independent states.
      1. Dude
        Dude 17 February 2022 16: 11
        +2
        Quote: Dart2027
        Quote: Decadence
        I've always tried to understand why so many people are so excited about the idea of ​​a huge country?
        I wholeheartedly support the idea of ​​dividing the US into 50 small and independent states.

        Take it higher - invite the world to return to a state system based on independent city-states wink
        That's progress, that's progress!
        1. Dart2027
          Dart2027 17 February 2022 17: 20
          +2
          Quote: Dude
          invite the world to return to a state system based on independent city-states
          Not necessarily the whole world, the US is enough.
    3. Paranoid50
      Paranoid50 17 February 2022 15: 57
      +5
      Quote: Decadence
      what is actually not

      What are you, hamster? request laughing
  9. tihonmarine
    tihonmarine 17 February 2022 15: 52
    0
    Most of all, the Finnish historian is afraid that Russia, on the path to restoring the USSR, will require Finland to sign something similar to this agreement, and the country's leadership will sign this and thereby be drawn into the conflict

    Sit straight on the priest, and do not twitch in front of the client, and no one will demand anything from the Finns. But a step to the side, a step back, then do not be offended.
  10. PalBor
    PalBor 17 February 2022 16: 02
    +6
    Some kind of nonsense, be neutral, and no one will touch you and force you to do anything. For the Great Patriotic War and for the camps for Russians, Stalin forgave you, but you shouldn't have. For one execution of a hospital in the Soviet rear, to apologize, not to apologize again ...
  11. faterdom
    faterdom 17 February 2022 16: 33
    +1
    And what, someone officially freed Finland from the treaty?
    no USSR?
    Russia, there is - the official successor.
    And the fact of Finland's hostile behavior before the Great Patriotic War, and, of course, during it.
    Yes, then they reoriented in time and became one of the winners, like the Romanians.
    So they didn’t take reparations from them, and they didn’t join the USSR as the former territory of the Republic of Ingushetia.
    Only in case of future military conflicts they demanded to choose the right side in advance.
    In my opinion, the Finns did not appreciate our kindness, just like the Germans.
    Will we show it next?
    Let them think.
    1. Vadim237
      Vadim237 17 February 2022 17: 15
      -7
      And the fact of Finland's hostile behavior before the Great Patriotic War, and, of course, during it. If the USSR had not unleashed a war with Finland in 1939, there would not have been any aggressive behavior on the part of Finland in 1941.
  12. Alexander Salenko
    Alexander Salenko 17 February 2022 16: 50
    0
    Those. this horse. dreams of wringing Karelia from Russia.
    1. Vadim237
      Vadim237 17 February 2022 17: 17
      -7
      There is nothing in this Karelia that Finland would be interested in.
      1. Alexander Salenko
        Alexander Salenko 17 February 2022 23: 35
        +3
        Well, of course, what is there in Crimea then that Ukraine is so interested in it? The question is not idle, because in Ukraine I only heard that Crimea is on subsidies and in general you are a burden, which, to put it mildly, is not true.
  13. Ross xnumx
    Ross xnumx 17 February 2022 17: 03
    0
    Russia began the restoration of the USSR, this is evidenced by all the recent actions carried out by the Kremlin.


    So, a casually thrown phrase begins to question the significance of the entire article. How did the restoration of the USSR manifest itself? In the nationalization of private, criminally acquired property, or in clarifying the circumstances of the location of the pseudo-owners of Russia's natural resources in London? Maybe in the dominance of the Kremlin by the elders in the likeness of the Politburo of the Central Committee of the CPSU, when they were taken out of it in a natural way with orders on a gun carriage?
    A good-neighborly environment is important for Russia today. Our country suffered a lot in the XNUMXth century and we no longer want to continue just such a policy of confrontation ... And today's Russia has plenty of funds to get rid of any aggressive neighbor with all its arsenal ...
    As for the “hot Finnish guys”, they should be concerned about how they live with their neighbor: peacefully visiting St. Petersburg through Vyborg or digging roots and picking berries along the surviving remains of the Mannerheim line ...
    hi
  14. puskarinkis
    puskarinkis 17 February 2022 17: 09
    +1
    The movement towards the USSR should have begun with class self-consciousness and the social policy of the state! Do not confuse the return of influence or lands that were previously part of the Republic of Ingushetia and the movement towards a socially just state (USSR). And contracts can be remembered if they are beneficial ...
  15. iouris
    iouris 17 February 2022 17: 56
    -2
    Niet Molotoff! Niet Molotoff!
  16. iouris
    iouris 17 February 2022 18: 21
    +1
    Russia will not be able to demand anything from Finland until it is recognized as a superpower. A superpower is not made from the outside, but from the inside. Citizens, do you feel that you live, study and work precisely so that the Russian Federation becomes such a superpower? Or do you dream of going to Finland for "permanent residence" or buying a dacha there? A?
  17. sanya_sergant
    sanya_sergant 17 February 2022 21: 16
    +9
    We need Finns as a neutral state
    1. iouris
      iouris 17 February 2022 23: 04
      0
      After the dissolution of the USSR, there are no more neutral states. Patamushta had only one superpower.
    2. iouris
      iouris 18 February 2022 01: 47
      +1
      I suspect that the only neutral state is the Russian Federation.
  18. Dkuznecov
    Dkuznecov 17 February 2022 22: 39
    -2
    Finns understand.
    Parting with 2% of GDP
    and hide behind NATO
    anything is better than going to the CSTO.
    And the funniest thing is collective security
    even Stalin came up with.
  19. Fisherman
    Fisherman 17 February 2022 23: 07
    +3
    Putin took into account the lessons of history, there will be no more USSR. There will be Russia and provinces in it. And that's it. They played enough of national giveaways with the locals ... now only full entry into Russia, whatever you call it like "Union State".
    1. Mordvin 3
      Mordvin 3 17 February 2022 23: 09
      -1
      Chechen province. Yeah.
      1. kebzuref
        kebzuref 17 February 2022 23: 50
        0
        You are already behaving like a coward with these words, as long as you are so afraid of the Chechens, this will not happen, but when you grow eggs and demand it, and strive for it, just like other people, in the end it will be, and if you are patient, then There will be nothing
        1. Mordvin 3
          Mordvin 3 17 February 2022 23: 54
          -4
          Quote: kebzuref
          as long as you are so afraid of the Chechens, this will not happen,

          It is Putin who is afraid of them. He gave them everything that Dudayev never dreamed of.
  20. kebzuref
    kebzuref 17 February 2022 23: 46
    +1
    Brain anti-communists, Russia is building the CSTO and the Eurasian Economic Union, there will be no USSR, Western people live in the past
  21. Alex Justice
    Alex Justice 18 February 2022 10: 25
    0
    not "return" of the USSR

    Return of Russia. What does the USSR have to do with it?
    Everyone is perverting.
  22. AB
    AB 18 February 2022 13: 10
    0
    It's so funny when people talk about the fact that Putin is trying to revive the USSR. It would be nice to write that to restore the borders as in the USSR or to return the territories that were in the USSR. To return the SSR is, first of all, to return the socio-economic structure. And the capitalists will never allow this to be done.
  23. Nitarius
    Nitarius 21 February 2022 05: 43
    0
    if they refuse .. then welcome to tsarist Russia! and the Finns were in it .. as part of Russia! when so!