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The situation around the Caspian in the event of a coalition strike on Iran

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For years, the situation around the Caspian Sea has remained rather difficult. After the collapse of the USSR and the emergence of independent states from the former Union Republics on the world map, the problem of dividing the Caspian resources among the coastal states has not been resolved. Today, almost every country is trying to lobby its own opinion regarding the division of the Caspian Sea and its depths, but this opinion is often divided on the demonstrative inviolability of opinions of other states. The problem may turn into a completely different plane if the operation of the western coalition against Iran begins.

Let us try to figure out what can happen with the so-called Caspian dispute if Iran is still under attack by the military power of the United States, Israel and other states.



So, first we need to say about Iranian ideas about the division of the wealth of the Caspian Sea, as well as about the division of its waters. So, official Tehran offers other four Caspian states (Russia, Azerbaijan, Turkmenistan and Kazakhstan) to solve the problem as follows: just take and share both the subsoil and the waters of the Caspian Sea between all countries equally. It would seem that the proposal is very constructive, and it is strange that it is not supported by other Caspian states ... But if you pay attention to the map of the Caspian region, it becomes clear that Tehran is clearly cunning. The fact is that its coastline is almost 2 times less than the Russian one and 2,3 times less than the Kazakhstan one. But even the length of the coastline is a stumbling block in the issue of the division of Caspian resources. Strongly against the Iranian proposal is Azerbaijan, which borders with Iran. According to Baku, if the Caspian Sea is divided "equally", as proposed by the Tehran authorities, Iran may have claims to own offshore hydrocarbon deposits, which Azerbaijan is now effectively securing. At the same time, Baku cannot agree with Ashkhabad on who has the right to own the Serdar-Kapaz field. Today, even scientists are not exactly able to answer exactly which state is more likely to qualify for these Caspian subsoil. In this regard, the situation is often aggravated to the limit: not so long ago, Azerbaijani border vessels made it clear to the Turkmen research vessel that he had nothing to do at Kapaza ... But if you are guided by Tehran’s thoughts that the Caspian should be divided into five equal parts (like the water area and the bottom), it’s no longer a fact that only Turkmenistan and Azerbaijan will claim Serdar-Kapaz. The official authorities in Baku oppose the Iranian proposal for equal shares when dividing the Caspian Sea.

It turns out that all the Caspian states (from among the former Union Republics) may even benefit from the operation of the coalition forces against the Iranian nuclear facilities ... As they say, one country is less in undiminished dispute over maritime expanses and subsoil. But is this judgment so obvious? ..

On the one hand, it seems, really, while Ahmadinejad tries to oppose something to a possible American-Israeli attack, it is possible to agree on dividing the Caspian Sea in a narrower circle of states. But only at the time of the hypothetical campaign against Iran is unlikely the rest of the littoral states will be exclusively concerned with the problem of the resources of the Caspian Sea. Here you can give an example: five neighbors could not share a common courtyard between themselves, then people came from another courtyard and the house of one neighbor was set on fire ... Of course, at this point you can start delimitation, but in this case it is better to think about how to do so so that the fire does not turn all the buildings surrounding the yard into ashes.

In other words, if aggression against Iran is launched, the region will face a large-scale humanitarian catastrophe with all the ensuing consequences that are unlikely to leave time for Russia, Azerbaijan, Turkmenistan and Kazakhstan to discuss who and what proportion in the Caspian Sea will get.

It should be expected that in the direction of the border with Azerbaijan and Turkmenistan there will be floods of refugees from Iran, the number of which is difficult to predict, but that it can amount to hundreds of thousands of people is quite likely. At the same time, the population density in the northwestern part of Iran is greater than in the rest of the country, and therefore Iranian refugees will go in the direction of Azerbaijan, Armenia, and then Georgia and Russia, filling the already troubled Caucasus region.

It turns out that the invasion of the Western coalition into Iran could provoke a new phase of the Caucasian conflict. Obviously, the one who plans to launch an air strike together with the ground operation in Iran clearly scrolls through the option of total destabilization of the Caucasian territories, and destabilization will clearly lead to the need to force and money to the region from the Russian Federation. Even if these forces and means succeed in completely closing the southern border of Russia in Dagestan, it is not a fact that it neutralizes the threat by 100%. Moreover, Armenia, already a member of the CSTO, is in the region. Therefore, any destabilization in this country will a priori push other countries of the Collective Security Treaty Organization to participate in the conflict.

In addition, one should not lose sight of the fact that countries that are preparing to strike at Iran’s nuclear facilities only at nuclear facilities are unlikely to stop. They, as they say, need everything at once: the destruction of nuclear facilities, Iranian oil, Iranian military targets, well, they may well want to give the Caspian a hand too - why refuse what Iran itself claims ...

It turns out that today's Iranian claims for a fifth of the resources of the Caspian Sea are, of course, a problem, but a much bigger problem is that the new forces, instead of the current official authorities of Iran, will dictate their demands in the region. As they say, we do not need such an alignment ...
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  1. INTER
    INTER 25 September 2012 08: 17
    +11
    Perhaps if Syria lasts and Iran they can not take. And everything is clear with Azerbaijan, they want to grab a big chunk.
    1. Alexander Romanov
      Alexander Romanov 25 September 2012 08: 30
      +7
      Quote: INTER
      And everything is clear with Azerbaijan, they want to grab a big piece

      And what will Azerbaijan get? A piece of a destabilized region, part of which will yell for independence and at the same time will shoot in all directions. It’s not a benefit, it’s rather a pain in the neck and concrete, there are enough problems with Karabakh.
      1. klimpopov
        klimpopov 25 September 2012 08: 44
        +6
        Good morning everyone!
        In general, it is strange that this topic is so rarely raised. Iran’s claims are understandable, but it’s not fair to get the guys to divide and divide equally. Maybe all the same based on the size of the coastline? Or so all the same leave neutral waters.
        1. Yarbay
          Yarbay 25 September 2012 08: 57
          +7
          Quote: klimpopov
          Good morning everyone!
          In general, it is strange that this topic is so rarely raised. Iran’s claims are understandable, but it’s not fair to get the guys to divide and divide equally. Maybe all the same based on the size of the coastline? Or so all the same leave neutral waters.

          Good morning!!
          Somehow here Omar gave visual cards taking into account the wishes of the countries !!
          Iran has very interesting appetites !!
          Actually, to a larger Iran, it understands the futility of its desires!
          The main goal of Iran is to pull as much as possible with the final legal status of the Caspian Sea in order to prevent as much as possible the development of Caspian deposits by foreign companies!
          1. klimpopov
            klimpopov 25 September 2012 09: 21
            +5
            Iran’s main goal is to pull as much as possible with the final legal status of the Caspian,

            But it’s all the same to decide, now it’s possible without bloodshed, and make some concessions to Iran, while not offending Azerbaijan (I don’t know how to do this in practice, for that is the Foreign Ministry). With Kazakhstan and Turkmenistan, I think it is easier for Russia to come to an agreement, and every five years to appoint a "duty officer" for the Caspian, by default Russia, and indeed to create the Commonwealth of the Caspian States to begin with, after all, this is an internal lake of five states, four of which were united. Everything can be solved, but for this it is necessary to decide ...
            In general, it is still Azerbaijan itself that can make claims to Iran if that ....
            1. Yarbay
              Yarbay 25 September 2012 09: 32
              +7
              Quote: klimpopov
              But it’s all the same to decide, it’s possible now without bloodshed, and make some concessions to Iran, while not offending Azerbaijan (I don’t know how to put this into practice, the Foreign Ministry does)

              As far as I know, the three countries Russia, Kazakhstan and Azerbaijan have already agreed, that is, they have come to a common opinion !!
              Because of the * Kapaz-Sardar * deposit, Turkmenistan is still persistent !!
              But Iran actually wants something, something that not one country can agree to !!
              For the most part, everyone understands that the biggest force in the Caspian is Russia!
              And Russia, if it wants, will sell the option that it sees fit !!
              1. Alexander Romanov
                Alexander Romanov 25 September 2012 09: 36
                +2
                Quote: Yarbay
                Because of the * Kapaz-Sardar * deposit, Turkmenistan is still persistent !!

                Hi Alibek, still America against laughing
                Quote: Yarbay
                And Russia, if it wants, will sell the option that it sees fit !!

                Well, yes, if he wants, and if the Turkmen buy does not listen to the amers.
                1. Yarbay
                  Yarbay 25 September 2012 09: 42
                  +5
                  Quote: Alexander Romanov
                  Well, yes, if he wants and if the Turkmen buy does not listen to the amers

                  Hi Sanya !!
                  Honestly funny !!

                  I repeat, it’s not amers matter, just Turkmenistan is capricious, and Russia, in principle, is not opposed so that while Turkmenistan is capricious))
                  The fact is that it is not profitable for a large and Russia too that Western companies are deployed even more in the Caspian, so they do not seriously pressure Turkmenistan!
                  1. Alexander Romanov
                    Alexander Romanov 25 September 2012 10: 02
                    +1
                    Quote: Yarbay
                    I repeat, it’s not amers matter, just Turkmenistan is capricious, and Russia, in principle, is not opposed so that while Turkmenistan is capricious))

                    Well, why not in the amers, most recently the amers said that the Caspian is US interests what I don’t know which side, and Turkmenistan, like Uzbekistan, is trying to eat fish and not to wash the pan, but I’m afraid in the end Turkmenistan will lose everything. When the redistribution of the world of the Turkmen bai begins, they will not ask about his desires and whims hi
                    1. Yarbay
                      Yarbay 25 September 2012 10: 10
                      +4
                      Quote: Alexander Romanov
                      I don’t know which side, and Turkmenistan, like Uzbekistan, is trying to eat fish and not to wash the pan, but I am afraid that in the end Turkmenistan will lose everything.

                      I agree with this, I simply do not believe that the amers have a great influence on the leadership of Turkmenistan!
                    2. Ascetic
                      Ascetic 25 September 2012 11: 32
                      +24
                      Quote: Alexander Romanov
                      Well, why not in the amers, most recently the amers said that the Caspian is US interests


                      The US plan is clear. After Syria, they crush Iran, go to the Caspian Sea, crush Central Asian oil and gas resources and the ways of their transportation through Transcaucasia. After that, they gain control of all world oil and gas reserves in the world, except for Russian ones. To begin with, they will sharply lower prices and Russia will fly into the pipe. You can be taken without war with your bare hands
                      The world now lives by the law of the jungle. Strong imposes its rules. And we must be ready to stand up for ourselves, including with the use of nuclear weapons. Another option is to give up immediately. I think in the second case the end of the Russian nation will come much earlier than in the first.
                      I am sure that Putin will not personally surrender. But he alone is not enough that he can. It depends on the environment. And there are many people with pro-Western views or people who are negligent, unable to work effectively and to the good of the cause. And in a critical situation, these people can fail, both for ideological reasons and for personal qualities. A good example is the current discussion of the events of August 2008, which shows that there was an internal sabotage of decisions already made on the defense of South Ossetia
                      But if Putin’s entourage already has an understanding that if they lose, they lose everything, then they will tear the veins, but fight for our country, stepping over ideology and laziness. Therefore, there is hope that we can win. Of course, it would be better if Putin carried out a massive purge of the state apparatus and the media from the fifth column, as Stalin did in his time. Then our victory would be guaranteed.
                      1. Beck
                        Beck 25 September 2012 11: 55
                        -9
                        Ascetic.

                        Respected. Your regional apocalypse is blacker than black. Well, why should the United States spend a breakthrough in money, lay down its soldiers for the fact that they can easily, with much lower costs, buy from Venezuela, Saudi Arabia, Qatar, Indonesia, Nigeria, Libya if Russia needs to. Especially with today's turmoil in the US economy.
                      2. INTER
                        INTER 25 September 2012 15: 18
                        +2
                        Quote: Ascetic
                        Of course, it would be better if Putin carried out a massive purge of the state apparatus and the media from the fifth column, as Stalin did in his time.

                        It’s time to start this work, otherwise everyone started up in their offices .......... By the way, steps are being taken, they began with the deputy, and then the process goes on.
                      3. tommytros
                        tommytros 27 September 2012 09: 47
                        0
                        you must always start with yourself!
                      4. Melchakov
                        Melchakov 25 September 2012 17: 28
                        +2
                        Quote: Ascetic
                        Therefore, there is hope that we can win. Of course, it would be better if Putin carried out a massive purge of the state apparatus and the media from the fifth column, as Stalin did in his time. Then our victory would be guaranteed.

                        I've already started. soldier
                      5. 25 September 2012 21: 30
                        +1
                        Quote: Melchakov
                        I've already started.

                        And it is frankly happy! I hope to be consistent in my actions
                      6. Oleg0705
                        Oleg0705 26 September 2012 19: 49
                        -3

                        America really needs Azerbaijan. But not because of oil. There is too little of it in the Azerbaijani sector of the Caspian to turn Azerbaijan into a "second Kuwait", and it lies too deep. For eight years now, Western companies have been holding drilling platforms in Azerbaijani waters, and they produce only ten million tons a year.

                        True value is the geopolitical position of the former Azerbaijan SSR. Having its own regime here, the United States has an excellent opportunity to put pressure on a growing Iran, which has huge oil and gas reserves, but no pro-American government. The US is interested in blowing up Iran from within and ruining it, bringing the pro-American regime to power. For the sake of this, the idea of ​​uniting the former Azerbaijan SSR and the so-called Iranian Azerbaijan, in which almost 15 million Azerbaijanis live, is three times more than in the territory controlled by Baku. That is, it is possible to turn Azerbaijan into a base of operations against Iran, into a lair of separatism. Aliyev satisfies these aspirations of Washington, and therefore they forgive him a lot: strangeness with the elections, and rampant corruption in the state apparatus. After all, the United States intends to deploy a strong NATO airbase near Baku (Nasosnoe market town).

                        The oil business in this sense is secondary.
                      7. Karish
                        Karish 26 September 2012 20: 03
                        +1
                        Quote: Oleg0705
                        Its in the Azerbaijani sector of the Caspian is too small to turn Azerbaijan into a "second Kuwait"

                        Azerbaijan has enough oil for second Kuwait
                        Quote: Oleg0705
                        Having its own regime here, the United States has an excellent opportunity to put pressure on a growing Iran, where there are huge reserves of oil and gas, but no pro-American government.

                        No, rather, Russia's desire to squeeze Azerbaijan, as an unnecessary competitor in the oil and gas market. As well as a possible transit supplier of Turkmen gas.
                        Quote: Oleg0705
                        pressure on growing Iran

                        I think the United States and Azerbaijan agree on this. Azerbaijan is a neighbor like Iran, the same is not good.
                        Quote: Oleg0705
                        For the sake of this, the idea of ​​combining the former Azerbaijan SSR and the so-called Iranian Azerbaijan, in which almost 15 million Azerbaijanis live, is three times more than in the territory controlled by Baku

                        No fairy tales.
                        Quote: Oleg0705
                        Aliyev satisfies these aspirations of Washington, and therefore he is forgiven for a lot: strangeness with the elections, and rampant corruption in the state apparatus. After all, the United States intends to deploy a strong NATO airbase near Baku (Nasosnoe market town).

                        Whose base in Russia are they planning to open? , after all
                        Oddities with elections and corruption in the state apparatus in Russia will probably be even more.
                      8. Oleg0705
                        Oleg0705 26 September 2012 20: 53
                        -1
                        Quote: Karish
                        Azerbaijan has enough oil for second Kuwait

                        Dreams, dreams, where is your sweetness?

                        1) a drop in oil production in January 2011 by 4% compared with the same period last year;
                        2) a decrease in gas production by 10% compared with the same period last year;
                        3) a drop in gas pumping through Baku-Erzurum by 27% compared to the same period last year;
                        4) oil production growth in 2010 was only less than 1% compared to 2009, when annual growth was 13%.



                        Quote: Karish
                        I think the United States and Azerbaijan agree on this. Azerbaijan is a neighbor like Iran, the same is not good.

                        It is also an excellent springboard for further destabilization of the south of the Russian Federation and the entire North Caucasus. The Americans have already shown that they did not intend to give Putin complete freedom of action in Chechnya and were already using Georgia to the full, discussing the prospects of bringing peacekeeping forces to Chechnya. Here, Azerbaijan for the United States becomes the most necessary space. The main goal of the operation is to permanently drive the Russian Federation out of the Caspian Sea and the eastern Black Sea region.

                        Quote: Karish
                        No fairy tales.

                        Tales drive you crazy that sometimes come true

                        Quote: Karish
                        Whose base in Russia are they planning to open? , after all
                        Oddities with elections and corruption in the state apparatus in Russia will probably be even more.


                        He smiled, a transfer point of equipment without the presence of the military themselves, this is not the base.
                        You were misinformed.

                        And about oddities, this is to the State Department and the media under control
                      9. Kamilla
                        Kamilla 26 September 2012 22: 14
                        +2
                        Quote: Oleg0705
                        the former Azerbaijan SSR and the so-called Iranian Azerbaijan, in which nearly 15 million Azerbaijanis live - three times more than in the territory controlled by Baku. T


                        35 million ethnic Azerbaijanis live in Iran ... but not 15 ... in the Republic of Azerbaijan - 9 million.

                        Quote: Oleg0705
                        Aliyev satisfies these aspirations of Washington


                        He has repeatedly stated that we will not give territory for the deployment of military bases against Iran.
                      10. Oleg0705
                        Oleg0705 26 September 2012 23: 30
                        -2
                        Quote: Kamilla
                        35 million ethnic Azerbaijanis live in Iran ... but not 15 ... in the Republic of Azerbaijan - 9 million


                        Let's take the middle ground. My numbers are underestimated, yours are overestimated, there are 27 million Azerbaijanis there. Colossal fifth column, right?

                        Quote: Kamilla
                        He has repeatedly stated that we will not give territory for the deployment of military bases against Iran.


                        Azerbaijan was also the first Muslim country to send troops to serve shoulder to shoulder with US troops in Iraq. So?
                        “There are close ties between the USA and Azerbaijan. We jointly work in various fields, including energy, economics, security and democratic reforms, ”the representative of the US embassy told reporters the head of the public relations department of the US Embassy in Azerbaijan, Thierry Davidson. Also elite finances are in whose banks?
                        Where is the guarantee that the president of Azerbaijan will not change his mind and speak out for military bases on the territory of Azerbaijan?
                      11. Ataturk
                        Ataturk 27 September 2012 00: 43
                        +1
                        Quote: Oleg0705
                        Azerbaijan was also the first Muslim country to send troops to serve shoulder to shoulder with US troops in Iraq. So?

                        No not like this. Turkey is. Plus in Iraq, according to information during the war, a storm
                        in the desert, among the American troops, there were Saudis.
                        They didn’t serve shoulder to shoulder, they were not in the offensive coalition there
                        troops. In Afghanistan, your allies also stand shoulder to shoulder with the Americans
                        , I mean it and Armenians? They, too, shoulder to shoulder with NATO and study
                        and are prepared and?

                        Quote: Oleg0705
                        There are close ties between the USA and Azerbaijan.

                        Not as much as Gorbachev and Reagan! According to some information, the latest
                        Russian presidents also play along with them, which can be said with the refusal of the S-300
                        for Iran and Helicopters for Syria. AND?

                        Quote: Oleg0705
                        Also elite finances are in whose banks?

                        In those banks where Russian oligarchs keep money. Starting from Miller and Abramovich to Putin. AND?

                        Quote: Oleg0705
                        Where is the guarantee that the president of Azerbaijan will not change his mind and speak out for military bases on the territory of Azerbaijan?

                        Where is the guarantee that Putin will not be the second Gorbachev and Yeltsin? Though,
                        little news, where does Russia help America in Afghanistan? Tell a business.
                        So we have a business. You may have and we do not?

                        in this matter, if President Aliyev decides that in Azerbaijan
                        there should be an American base and they give a 100% guarantee that Karabakh is for us
                        help return, then personally I will be the first FOR, like any other normal
                        person. Since you have been eating noodles for 20 years. And the result is zero.
                        Before taking offense at my words or answering, imagine your country
                        instead of Azerbaijan and then imagine how Azerbaijan feeds noodles
                        this OSCE.
                      12. Oleg0705
                        Oleg0705 27 September 2012 21: 14
                        -1
                        Quote: Ataturk
                        Where is the guarantee that Putin will not be the second Gorbachev and Yeltsin?

                        Do not even dream, he is tailored in Russian, the people elected him, and the throne passed from father to son.

                        Quote: Ataturk
                        In those banks where Russian oligarchs keep money. Starting from Miller and Abramovich to Putin. AND?

                        I am sure that Putin does not have accounts there, proof of this, the screech that rose before the elections by all Western countries and their media.

                        Quote: Ataturk
                        Is Russia helping America in Afghanistan?


                        This is not help, but an indicative slap in the face of the coalition, i.e. the whole world should know how they were paid and how helpless they should be, for one, to be cassette.


                        Quote: Ataturk
                        in this matter, if President Aliyev decides that in Azerbaijan
                        there should be an American base and they give a 100% guarantee that Karabakh is for us
                        help return, then personally I will be the first FOR, like any other normal
                        human.


                        Well, if you want to make a training ground from Karabakh, and possibly from all of Azerbaijan, to test new types of weapons, then, bitten sheen, put those in your hand, vote for NATO bases. Russia will not allow this and you know it.

                        P.S. do not drain the dirt on GDP. There are a lot of crap on the IGA
                      13. Altay
                        Altay 2 October 2012 00: 24
                        0
                        Sounds like the truth, but too harsh and rude! Amer knows that an attempt to direct access to the Caspian Sea threatens a war with Russia. So the option disappears, since they were always afraid of the Russians and never went to head-on collisions.

                        Remember how one Western journalist asked Putin: "Does he (Putin) consider the Nabucco pipeline an alternative to South Stream? Putin replied:" Nobody can guarantee that anything will flow through the pipeline. "

                        Moral: Nabucco European pipe (Turkey, Hungary, Romania). Way: Azerbaijan, Turkey, Europe. The Turks under the cap of the USA, Hungary and Romania are not players, there is not enough control over the Azeris and that’s it! The US is not against the pipe, but everything should be under control, and the Russians against.

                        But where does Iran?
                        1) Iran is simply an ally of Russia.
                        2) Iran leads anti Amer. the game.
                        3) Despite the many-year embargo, Iran does not stagger, they have their own market, their customers. Moreover, the Iranian client is clearly too tough on the Americas.
                        And they do not need new masters of Asia in the form of China and Europe in the form of Russia.
                  2. Karish
                    Karish 25 September 2012 16: 12
                    +3
                    Quote: Yarbay
                    The fact is that it is not profitable for a large and Russia too that Western companies are deployed even more in the Caspian, so they do not seriously pressure Turkmenistan!

                    Well, here is the answer.
                2. Odessa
                  Odessa 25 September 2012 11: 10
                  +2
                  Alexander Romanov,
                  Well, yes, if he wants, and if the Turkmen buy does not listen to the amers.

                  Hardly.
            2. Ataturk
              Ataturk 25 September 2012 10: 20
              +1
              Quote: klimpopov
              In general, it is still Azerbaijan itself that can make claims to Iran if that ....


              Ah well done. Everything is correct. +
          2. Ataturk
            Ataturk 25 September 2012 10: 19
            +4
            Quote: Yarbay
            Somehow here Omar gave visual cards taking into account the wishes of the countries !!


            I can lay it out again.

            The green stripe is Iran’s desire.
            Black strip - the desire of Turkmenistan
            The red bar is what has been for 80 years.

            All damn woke up ...

            1. Kamilla
              Kamilla 25 September 2012 10: 29
              +8
              Quote: Ataturk
              The green stripe is Iran’s desire.


              their appetites ... I'll tell you !!!

              Quote: Ataturk
              The red bar is what has been for 80 years.


              it should remain so.
              1. Ataturk
                Ataturk 25 September 2012 10: 35
                +5
                Quote: Kamilla
                their appetites ... I'll tell you !!!

                heard a saying, greed fraer ruined? This is about them.
                My dear, there is God, there is karma that you sow and reap.

                As Nevsky said, whoever attacks with a sword will die from the sword.
                Our fleet in the Caspian is far from weak. They bought rockets from Russia, from Israel,
                so it’s not enough for Iran to appear in the Caspian. Our Air Force is not cheap. We can protect the sea!

                The only power in the Caspian is Russia. And with Russia, we have no problems in the Caspian.

                You see, we are a small country, that’s why everyone has a tooth for us. But they don’t understand one thing, that even a jackal can kill a lion if it is correctly bitten, but God sees, we have this jackal which is very painful to bite Iran. and NOT ONE!
                1. AIvanA
                  AIvanA 25 September 2012 16: 59
                  0
                  You have it, everything’s super-powerful, take off your pink glasses respected and look back a bit at history, Iran doesn’t need too much, Iran needs an unstable region in the rear and precisely without the participation of Britain and the USA, then you can remove some forces later against a potential enemy and the whole business . But if you remove the ambition and decide only the world and in a good neighborly way, the question is automatically removed for all.
            2. nycsson
              nycsson 25 September 2012 10: 37
              +3
              Quote: Ataturk
              All damn woke up ...

              Do not put a finger in your mouth, they will bite off your elbow!
              1. Ataturk
                Ataturk 25 September 2012 10: 40
                +4
                Quote: nycsson
                Do not put a finger in your mouth, they will bite off your elbow!


                Yes, yes, that's right)))
                by the way good morning)
                1. nycsson
                  nycsson 25 September 2012 11: 11
                  0
                  Quote: Ataturk
                  by the way good morning)

                  Good morning! hi
                2. Odessa
                  Odessa 25 September 2012 11: 13
                  +4
                  Ataturk,
                  by the way good morning)

                  Good morning everyone and have a great day!
                  1. Ataturk
                    Ataturk 25 September 2012 11: 32
                    +4
                    Quote: Odessa
                    Good morning everyone and have a great day!

                    Good kind Esther.

            3. Ascetic
              Ascetic 25 September 2012 10: 54
              +13
              Quote: Ataturk
              All damn woke up ...


              They took advantage of the weakening of Russia and started moving, especially Iran and the Turkmen basmachi, the bash-boys want to snatch an extra piece out of the way. In my opinion, the red bar is the most optimal option, and everything else applies only to Russia of Azerbaijan and Kazakhstan, which are able to put in place the excessive claims of Turkmenbashi

              1. Ataturk
                Ataturk 25 September 2012 11: 10
                +6
                Quote: Ascetic
                They took advantage of the weakening of Russia and started moving, especially Iran and the Turkmen basmachi, the bash-boys want to snatch an extra piece out of the way. In my opinion, the red bar is the most optimal option, and everything else applies only to Russia of Azerbaijan and Kazakhstan, which are able to put in place the excessive claims of Turkmenbashi


                Hello dear Vladislav. How are you? I haven’t seen you for a long time.
                What can I say about your post .... BRAVO

              2. Bekzat
                Bekzat 25 September 2012 11: 59
                +4
                I welcome everyone, I agree with Ascetic, the borders should be left as they are.
            4. Karish
              Karish 25 September 2012 16: 14
              +2
              Quote: Ataturk
              The green stripe is Iran’s desire.

              Not frail such a desire fool
              1. Ataturk
                Ataturk 25 September 2012 16: 20
                +1
                Quote: Karish
                Not frail such a desire

                here I am about the same. I am very pleased to see that there are fair on the forum
                position. Thanks Sasha)
          3. Karish
            Karish 25 September 2012 16: 11
            +3
            Quote: Yarbay
            The main goal of Iran is to pull as much as possible with the final legal status of the Caspian Sea in order to prevent as much as possible the development of Caspian deposits by foreign companies!

            Hello Alibek !!!!!!!!!
            There are so many countries that would like to prevent Azerbaijan from producing oil on its shelf, and you know perfectly well who and why is delaying the division of the Caspian Sea (and not just Iran). But the plant * Deep-water foundations * worked, is working and will work and Azerbaijan will be able to mine as much as it wants and no one will bother him., Nor those times drinks
            1. Yarbay
              Yarbay 25 September 2012 16: 21
              +3
              Quote: Karish
              There are so many countries that would like to prevent Azerbaijan from producing oil on its shelf, and you know perfectly well who and why is delaying the division of the Caspian Sea (and not just Iran). But the plant * Deep-water foundations * worked, is working and will work and Azerbaijan will be able to mine as much as it wants and no one will bother him., Nor those times

              Hi Sanya !!
              Of course I know!!
              There were times worse when coup attempts were openly underway, but the political will of the leadership and certainly some Western countries carried out the project of pipelines and the development of shelves !!
              All the same, Heydar Aliyev really was a genius !!
              When everyone was worried that it would be difficult and that there would be many problems, he was outwardly equanimous and always answered that no one could change anything, guaranteed !!
              1. Karish
                Karish 25 September 2012 16: 34
                +6
                Quote: Yarbay
                All the same, Heydar Aliyev really was a genius !!

                I will tell you my opinion. Heydar Aliyev always stood apart from this whole bunch of Kremlin hangers-on (in Brezhnev's times). And despite the fact that he once led the KGB, he did not stiffen, but led the country on the right road, and he raised his son correctly good
                1. Ataturk
                  Ataturk 25 September 2012 16: 38
                  +4
                  Quote: Karish
                  I will tell you my opinion. Heydar Aliyev always stood apart from this whole bunch of Kremlin hangers-on (in Brezhnev’s times)


                  I remember we had KVN))))))))) in short, like Heydar Aliyev flew to Moscow, and there Putin meets him and tells him, Heydar Aliyev, welcome, let’s I show you our Kremlin. And Heydar Aliyev speaks viciously, who did you decide to show the Kremlin to?)))))))))))))

                  Yes, he is a genius PLUS Moscow School of the Kremlin and the KGB.
                  You cannot fool with candy.
                  1. Karish
                    Karish 25 September 2012 16: 45
                    +1
                    Quote: Ataturk
                    you who decided to show the Kremlin?))))))))))))

                    (+) 100500
                  2. Yarbay
                    Yarbay 25 September 2012 16: 46
                    +1
                    Quote: Ataturk
                    Yes, he is a genius PLUS Moscow School of the Kremlin and the KGB

                    The question is not in the KGB and the Kremlin — this person was constantly working on himself, and in itself was an outstanding person !!
                  3. Ascetic
                    Ascetic 25 September 2012 19: 16
                    +3
                    Quote: Ataturk
                    Yes, he is a genius PLUS Moscow School of the Kremlin and the KGB.



                    How the KGB beat the head of the Ministry of Internal Affairs, or Why Schelokov’s coup failed

                    Katusev said that the selected employees of the republican KGB of Azerbaijan were involved in the work to overcome the Shchelokovs. Unfortunately, I don’t remember all the details and I can restore this version only from the old notebooks and manuscript, which was planned for newspaper publication, but was made by Glavlit and later cut out from the manuscript of the book “The Mafia of the Times of Lawlessness”. As far as I understand, Heydar Alirza oglu Aliyev was involved in this whole story, although he was the head of the KGB under the Council of Ministers of the Azerbaijan SSR (with the rank of major general) long before these events, from summer 1967 to summer 1969. And he dragged all the people loyal to him with him to Moscow. But, apparently, valuable personnel remained in Baku.

                    Full article on the link My webpage
                2. Yarbay
                  Yarbay 25 September 2012 16: 44
                  +2
                  Quote: Karish
                  I will tell you my opinion. Heydar Aliyev always stood apart from this whole bunch of Kremlin hangers-on (in Brezhnev's times). And despite the fact that he once led the KGB, he did not stiffen, but led the country on the right road, and he raised his son correctly

                  Here is the honest word of some privileges I did not have and do not have from the authorities, but I swear I simply admired this man, his stamina, courage, knowledge and memory !!
                  A man who did not forget the good and did not forgive the bad!
                  He really possessed knowledge in various fields, I am sure that our country was small for the scale of his personality !!
        2. nycsson
          nycsson 25 September 2012 09: 00
          +2
          Quote: klimpopov
          Maybe all the same based on the size of the coastline?

          I agree completely! This must be taken as a principle!
      2. Yarbay
        Yarbay 25 September 2012 08: 54
        +4
        Quote: Alexander Romanov
        And what will Azerbaijan get? A piece of a destabilized region, part of which will yell for independence and at the same time will shoot in all directions. It’s not a benefit, it’s rather a pain in the neck and concrete, there are enough problems with Karabakh.

        Sanya, you are ahead of me!
        Quite right, moreover, a piece where people with a completely different mentality live!
        Why extra hemorrhoids !! ??
    2. Ataturk
      Ataturk 25 September 2012 10: 16
      +1
      Quote: INTER
      And everything is clear with Azerbaijan, they want to grab a big chunk.

      Which piece? Whose piece is it? in your card, below the red bar, Azerbaijanis also live in the first. A piece of who tore it off was Iran. And in the 1nd, not in some structures of Azerbaijan to this day it is not said that perhaps Azerbaijan will attack. This is the Americans themselves say what horrible. If, as you say, it would be, then we would raise the price of GAZ on the orders of GAZPROM, but we didn’t, because we thought about our citizens who live there. No need to say anything on behalf of Azerbaijan. Azerbaijan has 2 enemy, and this is Armenia, and we don’t want a piece but a part of our occupied land. This is what we say everywhere. Have you heard Aliyev say that about Iran?
      1. Simon bolivar
        Simon bolivar 25 September 2012 10: 35
        -1
        What kind of proceedings can there be? The whole Caspian belongs to Russia. And no flaws have any right to them.!
        1. klimpopov
          klimpopov 25 September 2012 10: 48
          0
          Thick !!! One must understand the political realities ...
        2. Bekzat
          Bekzat 25 September 2012 12: 02
          -1
          I hope Simon you wrote it like that for the "fun"?
          1. SAMEDOV SULEYMAN
            SAMEDOV SULEYMAN 1 October 2012 10: 10
            +1
            Quote: Bekzat

            I hope Simon you wrote it like that for the "fun"?

            Most likely not for fun, but for the next buzz on the site!
      2. nycsson
        nycsson 25 September 2012 10: 41
        +1
        Quote: Ataturk
        Oh strip also Azerbaijanis live it in 1's. A piece of who tore it off was Iran.

        But this is the moment of truth! And when did they tear it off? Remind please.
        Quote: Ataturk
        And in the 2s, not in some structures of Azerbaijan to this day it is not said that maybe Azerbaijan will attack. It is the Americans themselves who say horrible.

        The situation in the world is changing so quickly ........... You do not know what will happen in a year, but what year it will be, in a month .........
        1. Ataturk
          Ataturk 25 September 2012 10: 57
          +5
          Quote: nycsson
          But this is the moment of truth! And when did they tear it off? Remind please.


          After 2 Treaties of Turkmenchay and Gulustan

          Quote: nycsson
          The situation in the world is changing so quickly ........... You do not know what will happen in a year, but what year it will be, in a month .........

          Right. They muddy the water.
          1. klimpopov
            klimpopov 25 September 2012 12: 32
            +1
            After 2 Treaties of Turkmenchay and Gulustan

            Exactly!!
    3. Maks111
      Maks111 25 September 2012 11: 01
      +1
      Now there will be elections in the USA, Toda and see who plans what and what will happen next))
      1. Ataturk
        Ataturk 25 September 2012 11: 12
        +5
        Quote: Max111
        Now there will be elections in the USA, Toda and see who plans what and what will happen next))


        Who cares who the president will be there, they all serve the same master. Whoever the president is, even a Muslim mall will become the head of the United States, and he will declare war on Muslims.

        Whoever the president of the United States is, a Republican or der mo-krat, they all serve the same shaitan from Walt Street. They swear in public, and behind the curtains they kiss in a hickey.
        1. nycsson
          nycsson 25 September 2012 11: 43
          +3
          Quote: Ataturk
          Who cares who the president becomes

          Gold words! I’ll also add that there will not appear a random person!
          1. Ataturk
            Ataturk 25 September 2012 11: 48
            +3
            Quote: nycsson
            Gold words! I’ll also add that there will not appear a random person!


            Thanks buddy. That's right!
        2. Bekzat
          Bekzat 25 September 2012 12: 07
          +2
          Dear Ataturk, tell the truth, whoever becomes the president in tan, one devil will serve the "master-shaitan". + To you.
          1. Ataturk
            Ataturk 25 September 2012 12: 29
            +3
            Quote: Bekzat
            Dear Ataturk, tell the truth, whoever becomes the president in tan, one devil will serve the "master-shaitan". + To you


            Sure. Who says that there is a diaspora and influence. This is all bullshit!
            Behind the scenes of the United States, other people rule. The White House, these are pawns in their hands.

            They have a DOLL printing press in their hands.

            As one person said. Give me the opportunity to print money
            and I do not care about the laws of this country !!!!
      2. nycsson
        nycsson 25 September 2012 11: 13
        0
        Quote: Max111
        Now there will be elections in the USA, Toda and see who plans what and what will happen next))

        That's for sure!
    4. wax
      wax 25 September 2012 17: 12
      +2
      To get five military fleets in the Caspian - this was not what the drunk in Belovezhskaya Pushcha thought about.
    5. Apollo
      Apollo 25 September 2012 17: 15
      +2
      Dear INTER! hi

      In my opinion, first you need to talk about Iranian ideas about the division of the wealth of the Caspian Sea, as well as the division of its water area. So, official Tehran invites the other four Caspian states (Russia, Azerbaijan, Turkmenistan and Kazakhstan) to solve the problem as follows: simply take and divide both the subsoil and the Caspian water among all countries equally. It would seem that the proposal is very constructive, and it is strange that other littoral states do not support it ... But if you pay attention to the map of the Caspian region, it becomes clear that Tehran is clearly disingenuous. The fact is that its coastline is almost 2 times smaller than the Russian one and 2,3 times smaller than the Kazakh one.
    6. harrymur
      harrymur 25 September 2012 20: 45
      +2
      and what we have-
      1 Russians + Kazakhs = USSR we are responsible
      2 Azerbaijanis also from the USSR = we are responsible
      3 Turkmen also = we are responsible
      4 Iran = Islamists + their story (dig assassins = martyrs)
      for me so, while nothing can be redrawn, let it be as it is + our guard with winged calibers
      our 1,2 and 3 solution should be offered, Iran shouldn’t do it there, he still reproaches, he thought about playing chess, let the south look at the Caspian, we will decide everything ourselves, anyway the Russians will be to blame, so at least we will support our own from the USSR
      1. Yarbay
        Yarbay 25 September 2012 20: 59
        -1
        Quote: harrimur
        4 Iran = Islamists + their story (dig assassins = martyrs)

        How???
        how did they become martyrs ??
    7. Isr
      Isr 26 September 2012 11: 54
      +1
      The article refers to the invasion of Iran by the Western coalition as a fact, practically accomplished. Where such confidence? Who will "invade"? Which side? From the sea? From Azerbaijan? And move in tank columns towards Tehran?
      Since these are all assumptions, and the whole article is based on a mythical "invasion", everything that is written is an unrestrained flight of the author's imagination. The only thing that deserves discussion is Tehran's appetites and how much patience the neighbors will have to listen to these crazy proposals.
      The most correct opinion was expressed by Yarbay: Iran’s main goal is to pull as much as possible with the final legal status of the Caspian in order to prevent the development of Caspian deposits by foreign companies as much as possible!

  2. Sasha 19871987
    Sasha 19871987 25 September 2012 08: 18
    0
    hmm, crap guns everywhere, parasites ... given the start of an economic war against Iran, such a war already exists .... although God forbid, it won’t happen .....
  3. nycsson
    nycsson 25 September 2012 08: 46
    +4
    "It turns out that all the Caspian states (from among the former Union Republics) may even benefit from the operation of the coalition forces against Iranian nuclear facilities ... As they say, one country less in the unquenchable dispute over the sea and subsoil."

    Well yes! NATO will come to Iran and divide !!! laughing Iran must not be surrendered! Otherwise there will be a complete kapets ........
  4. Yarbay
    Yarbay 25 September 2012 08: 53
    +4
    ** It should be expected that flows of refugees from Iran will pour in the direction of the border with Azerbaijan and Turkmenistan, the number of which is difficult to predict, but that it can be hundreds of thousands of people is quite likely ** - one hundred thousand is not a problem for Azerbaijan! I'm afraid there will be more !
    ** It turns out that the invasion of the Western coalition in Iran could provoke a new phase of the Caucasian conflict ** - I would like to know from the author, how ??
    ** In addition, one cannot overlook the fact that countries preparing to strike at Iran’s nuclear facilities are unlikely to stop at nuclear facilities. They, as they say, need everything at once: the destruction of nuclear facilities, Iranian oil, Iranian military targets, well, you might also want to take a hand at the Caspian - why give up what Iran claims to ** - this is without a doubt and absolutely true!
    1. nycsson
      nycsson 25 September 2012 08: 59
      0
      Quote: Yarbay
      this is without a doubt and absolutely true!

      That's why Iran can’t be surrendered! Otherwise, ships flying the flags of NATO countries will sail in the Caspian!
      1. Yarbay
        Yarbay 25 September 2012 09: 08
        +3
        Quote: nycsson
        That's why Iran can’t be surrendered! Otherwise, ships flying the flags of NATO countries will sail in the Caspian!

        How???
        1. mongoose
          mongoose 25 September 2012 09: 22
          +1
          by train through almost NATO Georgia and Azerbaijan
          1. nycsson
            nycsson 25 September 2012 09: 49
            +1
            Quote: mongoose
            by train through almost NATO Georgia and Azerbaijan

            They will figure something out how to keep the region under their total control! Georgia, Azerbaijan, Uzbekistan! It remains in Iran to change the power and the matter is in the hat!
          2. Yarbay
            Yarbay 25 September 2012 09: 59
            +2
            Quote: mongoose
            by train through almost NATO Georgia and Azerbaijan

            Not serious!!
          3. Kamilla
            Kamilla 25 September 2012 10: 06
            0
            and let's train through you ...? one less troll ... bully
        2. nycsson
          nycsson 25 September 2012 09: 39
          +1
          Quote: Yarbay
          How???

          Well, with the flags of NATO, maybe I got excited! With pro-NATO flags!
        3. Beck
          Beck 25 September 2012 11: 28
          +2
          The article is kind of scary. with predictions of the drying up of the Caspian and destabilization of the entire Caspian region. The usual zhurnalyugsky method.

          My vision, with the worst development of the situation.

          Iran, with its atomic ambitions, is bringing the matter to the line. Why would the West send troops and occupy Iran. The victims are great, the costs are huge. The West does not set the task of regime change. The task is to prevent the appearance of nuclear weapons in Iran. Western aviation is ruining Iran’s entire nuclear infrastructure. That's all. The task of preventing the appearance of nuclear weapons in Iran will be completed. If the Iranian army snarls, making its retaliatory strikes on the territory of other countries - Saudi Arabia, Qatar, Israel, the aviation of the West will turn into scrap the entire technical component of the Iranian army. Well, maybe, if you turn up your arm, the ranks of orthodox, terrorist-minded ayatollahs will be tidied up. ALL. Security of the region from a nuclear threat will be ensured.

          And no flows of refugees, no destabilization of the Caucasus, no Caspian dividers.

          Iran’s nuclear threat is not only to Israel and the Sunnis. The nuclear threat to the entire Caspian Sea. That Russia, Azerbaijan, Turkmenistan, Kazakhstan, before the cut, need Iranian nuclear weapons on the southern coast of the Caspian. If now Iran is not listening to a collective proposal on borders, then with nuclear weapons it will simply send everyone to hell. Then, to stop Iran, there will be no means other than nuclear weapons of Russia. And who of us needs a nuclear apocalypse.
          1. DIMS
            DIMS 25 September 2012 11: 31
            +2
            Bombing nuclear objects is a very bad idea.
            1. Beck
              Beck 25 September 2012 11: 44
              +1
              Dimsu.

              I spoke of nuclear infrastructure .. Then the West has a network of specialists for how and how to destroy infrastructure without causing damage to the environment. And if such are inevitable, then how to minimize them. Example. Fukushima. The consequences are neither global nor catastrophic.
            2. Beck
              Beck 25 September 2012 18: 58
              -2
              Add.

              If even without military action. The earthquake in Iran. If Bushehr does not collapse, a nuclear bomb may fall from a shelf. It’s bad if the wind in the Indian Ocean carries a radioactive cloud. Even worse if north, northeast or northwest. Why then will we take cover with sheets.
          2. Yarbay
            Yarbay 25 September 2012 11: 46
            +4
            Quote: Beck
            Why would the West send troops and occupy Iran. The victims are great, the costs are huge.

            I agree!
            Quote: Beck
            The West does not set the task of regime change.

            Moreover, this is a very difficult task and generally difficult to accomplish!
            Quote: Beck
            If the Iranian army snarls, making its retaliatory strikes on the territory of other countries - Saudi Arabia, Qatar, Israel, the aviation of the West will turn into scrap the entire technical component of the Iranian army.

            For any, this will be one of the goals !!
            Quote: Beck
            That Russia, Azerbaijan, Turkmenistan, Kazakhstan, before the cut, need Iranian nuclear weapons on the southern coast of the Caspian. If now Iran is not listening to a collective proposal on borders, then with nuclear weapons it will simply send everyone to hell.

            But not everyone is going to see it, only because Iran is against amers !!
            1. Beck
              Beck 25 September 2012 12: 10
              +1
              Yarba.

              Respected. Thanks for support. You say it right. Due to the lack of love for amers, some want to put a heap on their own head.
          3. Volodin
            25 September 2012 14: 00
            +2
            A typical "chitalyugsky" comment (since the "zhurnalyuga" wrote an article) - just to blur it out for the rating, without reading to the end - well, honestly ... Where are the predictions about drying out? What nonsense ...
            1. Beck
              Beck 25 September 2012 14: 26
              -1
              Volodin.

              Respected. "Dried up" is an allegory. The fact that if Iran is forced to abandon nuclear weapons by military means, then a regional apocalypse will happen. Thousands will flee to Azerybajan, in the Caucasus, on the peak of Elbrus, the banner of the Wahhabis will be hoisted, etc. what is written in the article.

              And I applied the term "journalist" to distinguish it from true journalists. "Journalists are those who in their articles, programs unreasonably breed the ends of the world, alien forces who have settled in the brain of people, bring celebrities to heart attacks with messages about their pregnancies and sexual orientation to amphibians, etc.
              1. Volodin
                25 September 2012 14: 38
                +4
                And I used the term "reader" to distinguish it from true readers, who express their point of view, but at the same time do not descend to insults, even if the author's opinion does not coincide with their own.
                1. Beck
                  Beck 25 September 2012 14: 55
                  0
                  Volodin.

                  You are close to the line of dislike. And if you read my first comment, it does not say specifically about the "Journalists", but about the "journalist" method. create horror stories to raise the rating.
              2. Cosmos-1869
                Cosmos-1869 25 September 2012 22: 01
                0
                The term "journalist" was introduced in 2006 as follows:
                "Media professionals fall into two categories:
                - zhurnalyugi;
                - Journalists ".
                Thus, a "journalist" is just a strong, real journalist.
            2. Volodin
              25 September 2012 14: 37
              0
              And I used the term "reader" to distinguish it from true readers, who express their point of view, but at the same time do not descend to insults, even if the author's opinion does not coincide with their own.
            3. Isr
              Isr 26 September 2012 13: 12
              +1
              Your article is an example of the incompetence characteristic of today's Russian society. There is a standard set of "horror stories" with which you scare yourself, conspiracies, a distorted understanding of the economic processes taking place in the world, distortions of your own history. Particularly incomprehensible are the great-power attempts and imperial ambitions. The article began well, and then something fell through and went on a knurled track.
              Quote: Volodin
              They, as they say, need everything all at once: the destruction of nuclear facilities, Iranian oil, Iranian military targets, well, you might also want to take a hand in the Caspian - why give up what Iran claims to be ...

              What a flight of thought! Mindflow! Who is "them"? How will "they" do all this? "they" are not the USSR (and now Russia), which was capable of this. In short, complete nonsense.
          4. Isr
            Isr 26 September 2012 13: 00
            0
            You are the only one on this site who correctly described the situation. I agree with every word.
      2. with
        with 25 September 2012 09: 15
        0
        Quote: nycsson
        That's why Iran can’t be surrendered! Otherwise, ships flying the flags of NATO countries will sail in the Caspian!

        Damn, honestly, maybe NATO ships and "FLOAT"Although I doubt it very much !!!
        FATTY and BIG minus !!!
        1. Yarbay
          Yarbay 25 September 2012 09: 19
          +3
          Quote: met
          Damn, chis.slovo, maybe NATO ships and "FLOAT", although I very much doubt it !!!
          BOLD and BIG minus !!!

          Birds of a feather flock together))))))))))))))
          You can immediately see the black beret))))))))))
          1. with
            with 25 September 2012 09: 36
            +2
            Quote: Yarbay
            Birds of a feather flock together))))))))))))))
            You can immediately see the black beret))))))))))

            Alibek! hi
            Well, you understand me !!!
        2. DIMS
          DIMS 25 September 2012 09: 25
          +3
          Our ships go, they float. What, in fact, is the problem?
          1. with
            with 25 September 2012 09: 35
            +2
            Quote: DIMS
            Our ships gothey are swimming. What, in fact, is the problem?

            Big and Bold A PLUS!!!!))))
            I didn’t laugh like that for a long time !!!! good
            1. nycsson
              nycsson 25 September 2012 09: 44
              0
              Quote: met
              Big and Fat PLUS !!!!

              Well, if this is so important for you, then let them go, not swim! Although for me, which has nothing to do with the sea and ships, it is somehow not natural!
        3. nycsson
          nycsson 25 September 2012 09: 41
          +2
          Quote: met
          Damn, chis.slovo, maybe NATO ships and "FLOAT", although I very much doubt it !!!

          I’m not a sailor, maybe they don’t swim correctly, but somehow differently ?!
          Quote: met
          BOLD and BIG minus !!!

          Thank you! laughing
          1. Alexander Romanov
            Alexander Romanov 25 September 2012 09: 44
            +5
            Quote: nycsson
            I’m not a sailor, maybe they don’t swim correctly, but somehow differently ?!

            Hi Nixon, walk right wink , but in the case of NATO, the NATO is floating ......... There are not many mistakes in the prince.
            1. with
              with 25 September 2012 10: 15
              +4
              Quote: Alexander Romanov
              Hi Nixon, winks go right, but in the case of NATO, the NATO is floating ......... There are not many mistakes in the prince.

              AND YOU Alexander, as a lover of BEER !!!!))) drinks
              1. Alexander Romanov
                Alexander Romanov 25 September 2012 11: 37
                +3
                Quote: met
                AND YOU Alexander, as a lover of BEER !!!!))

                Thanks Matt, I got it all, I enjoy it laughing
                1. Odessa
                  Odessa 25 September 2012 11: 47
                  +3
                  Alexander Romanov,
                  Thanks Matt, I got it all, I enjoy it

                  You are on the topic, write without flooding! Caspian fish is so good!
                  1. Alexander Romanov
                    Alexander Romanov 25 September 2012 11: 51
                    +3
                    Quote: Odessa
                    ! Caspian fish is so good!

                    Esther, and a hedgehog it’s clear that the fish is Caspian, and the Astrakhan beer is all in color wink
                  2. Yarbay
                    Yarbay 25 September 2012 12: 04
                    +2
                    Quote: Odessa
                    You are on the topic, write without flooding! Caspian fish is so good!

                    Caspian sprat)))))))
                    1. Odessa
                      Odessa 25 September 2012 12: 07
                      +2
                      Yarbay,
                      Caspian sprat)))))))

                      In tomato? Now it turns out what’s the matter, the whole thing is in sprats, and with the Balts in sprats. laughing
                      And I like the Black and Azov Sea!
                      1. Yarbay
                        Yarbay 25 September 2012 12: 09
                        +2
                        Quote: Odessa
                        In a tomato?

                        I remember in childhood they bought for 20 cents a huge box of dry kilk))))))
                        Older guys clapped him with beer)))
                        And we are with lemonade))))))))
                        I assure you if you once see the beach of the Caspian Sea, then you forget about Black exactly, I did not see Azov)))
                2. vorobey
                  vorobey 25 September 2012 12: 13
                  +2
                  Quote: Alexander Romanov
                  Thanks Matt, I got it all, I enjoy it


                  Are you in the Caspian this summer?
            2. nycsson
              nycsson 25 September 2012 10: 26
              +3
              Quote: Alexander Romanov
              Hi Nixon, walk right

              Hello! OK! Knocked on the nose! Thanks!
              Quote: Alexander Romanov
              but in the case of NATO, the NATO is floating ......... There are not many mistakes in the prince.
              good laughing
          2. with
            with 25 September 2012 10: 13
            +2
            Quote: nycsson
            Quote: met
            BOLD and BIG minus !!!

            Thank you!

            Pleasant adequate people on the site !!! drinks
            Prize YOU !!! good
            1. Yarbay
              Yarbay 25 September 2012 10: 16
              +4
              Quote: met
              Pleasant adequate people on the site !!!
              Prize YOU !!!

              Now have to bother everywhere to ply Comrade Nixon, the man was not afraid of the fat minus))))))))))))))))
              1. with
                with 25 September 2012 10: 22
                +2
                Quote: Yarbay
                Now have to bother everywhere to ply Comrade Nixon, the man was not afraid of the fat minus))))))))))))))))

                Well, these are "figurines" !!!)))
                I sometimes (read constantly) disagree with him !!!))))
                1. nycsson
                  nycsson 25 September 2012 10: 48
                  +5
                  Quote: met
                  Well, these are "figurines" !!!)))

                  laughing How to live now, I don’t know !!! laughing
                  Quote: met
                  I sometimes (read constantly) disagree with him !!!))))

                  I sincerely appreciate your point!
                  1. with
                    with 25 September 2012 10: 53
                    0
                    Quote: nycsson
                    I sincerely appreciate your point!

                    I am yours too, but you can’t so thickly attack the GDP !!!)))
                    Recoil can torture !!)))
                    1. nycsson
                      nycsson 25 September 2012 11: 17
                      +1
                      Quote: met
                      I am yours too, but you can’t so thickly attack the GDP !!!)))

                      That's for sure! I will take note! But who needs me with my opinion! I swim too shallow.
                    2. Alexander Romanov
                      Alexander Romanov 25 September 2012 11: 26
                      +4
                      Quote: met
                      Recoil can torture !!))

                      Like little children, it's time to grow up wink
                      1. nycsson
                        nycsson 25 September 2012 11: 45
                        +2
                        Quote: Alexander Romanov
                        Like little children, it's time to grow up wink

                        That's right! hi
                2. Yarbay
                  Yarbay 25 September 2012 10: 58
                  +3
                  Quote: met
                  I sometimes (read constantly) disagree with him !!!))))

                  Well, not you alone)))
                  He’s stubborn)))))))))
                  1. with
                    with 25 September 2012 11: 04
                    +1
                    Quote: Yarbay
                    Well, not you alone)))

                    I do not claim to be in the center of the universe !!)))
                    Although in the Caucasus it is so !!

                    Quote: Yarbay
                    He’s stubborn)))))))))

                    That is, that is, and it is pointless to deny it !!!)))
                  2. nycsson
                    nycsson 25 September 2012 11: 20
                    0
                    Quote: Yarbay
                    He’s stubborn)))))))))

                    Do you need to agree with you on everything? I just have my point of view on what is happening in the country and beyond. I do not pretend to the truth, because I look at everything from a small bell tower! But how really things are going on I don’t know! hi
                    1. Yarbay
                      Yarbay 25 September 2012 11: 37
                      +3
                      Quote: nycsson
                      I just have my point of view on what is happening in the country and beyond. I do not pretend to the truth, as I look at everything from a small bell tower! And how things really are I don’t know

                      Yes, I do not mind!
                      It’s just that sometimes in a discussion you, in spite of everything, repeat the same thing that you yourself believed and then this is no longer a discussion of !!
                      And so I respect any opinion, a normal person!
                      1. nycsson
                        nycsson 25 September 2012 11: 47
                        +2
                        Quote: Yarbay
                        It’s just that sometimes in a discussion you, in spite of everything, repeat the same thing in which you yourself believed, and then this is not a discussion of the result !!

                        I will try to get better!
                        Quote: Yarbay
                        And so I respect any opinion, a normal person!

                        Mutually! hi
                3. Ascetic
                  Ascetic 25 September 2012 11: 06
                  +4
                  Quote: met
                  Well, these are "figurines" !!!)))
                  I sometimes (read constantly) disagree with him !!!))))


                  1. with
                    with 25 September 2012 11: 20
                    +2
                    Ascetic,
                    Wee did not justify ....
                    ASKET, ASKETISHCHEman. from BIG LETTER!!!! hi
                    What kind of trust ????
                    I am a simple person living in this Country and, as far as possible, help her !!!
                    You are one of the fairest modders ((low bow to you (without ernism)), just say WHAT, after all, a couple more bans and you won’t see me on this site (in the sense I don’t scare), but as a law-abiding person you would BE MUCH upset this !!! crying
                    1. Yarbay
                      Yarbay 25 September 2012 11: 39
                      +2
                      Quote: met
                      ASKET, ASKETISHCHE-pers. with BIG LETTER !!!!

                      PERSONS WITH A HUGE LETTER !!
                      THE BIGGEST LETTER-BIG DOES NOT HAPPEN !!
                      1. with
                        with 25 September 2012 11: 49
                        +1
                        Quote: Yarbay
                        THE BIGGEST LETTER-BIG DOES NOT HAPPEN !!

                        It happens Alibek, it happens !!!
                        And you understand this, like no one else !!!)))
                        Man is very grateful that he IS in this world, something like that !!!!
                        There’s not even a demor (I haven’t found it yet), but it’s just that BIG and human are from me THANK YOU
                      2. Yarbay
                        Yarbay 25 September 2012 12: 02
                        +2
                        Quote: met
                        It happens Alibek, it happens !!!

                        I meant that it doesn’t get better)))
                        Quote: met
                        Man is very grateful that he IS in this world, something like that !!!!
                        You know, when I see people like Stanislav, I understand that everything is not in vain!
                      3. with
                        with 25 September 2012 12: 21
                        +2
                        Quote: Yarbay
                        You know, when I see people like Stanislav, I understand that everything is not in vain!

                        You know Alibek, even though it’s the middle of the day, but I’ll take and raise 150 grams (vodka) for Ascetic!!!
                        It is a pity that after my words, he will not be able to remove warnings from me, admins can understand IT incorrectly !!!
                        ASKET, but still for you, you rarely meet such people !!!!
                      4. Yarbay
                        Yarbay 25 September 2012 12: 24
                        +1
                        Quote: met
                        You know Alibek, even though it’s the middle of the day, but I’ll take and raise 150 grams (vodka) for Ascetic !!

                        I will pray for him !!)))
                    2. Ascetic
                      Ascetic 25 September 2012 12: 11
                      +3
                      Quote: met
                      What kind of trust ????


                      This is just a comment. Your relationship to Nixon, who as a whole I support, he does not justify trust in your eyes ..


                      Quote: met
                      You are one of the fairest modders ((low bow to you (without ernism)), just say WHAT, after all, a couple more bans and you won’t see me on this site (in the sense I don’t scare), but as a law-abiding person you would BE MUCH upset this !!!




                      In general, when the flood is too much, the meaning of comments on the topic under discussion is lost, but live communication, humor and irony are also important. BUT everywhere you need a GOLDEN MIDDLE.
                      1. with
                        with 25 September 2012 12: 32
                        0
                        Quote: Ascetic
                        BUT everywhere you need a GOLDEN MIDDLE.

                        Sorry Ascetic, but there is a GUY ( Spender, and do not hesitate to write with a capital letter), and so he wrote to me that there is NO GOLD midpoint !!!))
                        But you know better, and I already accepted 150 for you, despite important negotiations, in half an hour !!!!
              2. nycsson
                nycsson 25 September 2012 10: 46
                +1
                Quote: Yarbay
                Now have to pester everywhere to ply Comrade Nixon, the man was not afraid of the fat minus

                You won’t come from you. Some cons! laughing
            2. nycsson
              nycsson 25 September 2012 10: 45
              +1
              Quote: met
              Prize YOU !!!

              Oh, thanks! good Wow, what ........ laughing
            3. Alexander Romanov
              Alexander Romanov 25 September 2012 11: 23
              +3
              Hi Met, I’ve got a warning about this yesterday laughing
              1. with
                with 25 September 2012 11: 35
                +1
                Quote: Alexander Romanov
                Hi Met, I’ve got a warning about this yesterday

                Alexander! hi
                Shura, I will give you parabelum(a saying like that in KVIMU we had) !!!)))
                Watch from 1,18 and from 2.26 !!)))

            4. bachast
              bachast 25 September 2012 12: 05
              +2
              Megan cool wink
      3. Ataturk
        Ataturk 25 September 2012 10: 24
        +7
        Quote: nycsson
        That's why Iran can’t be surrendered!


        Here it is to God, I do not understand Russian. I swear I don’t understand. That day I watched a program about the shipbuilding of the Soviet Union. I did not even know, it turns out, back in the late 80s, this is the mall of the regime, more than once in the Persian Gulf they wanted to attack the warships of the Soviet Union. How can you, my dear ones, protect someone who, 30 years ago, tried to drown your ships with the Americans?

        I will find a video to show. Transfer Military Affairs.
        1. with
          with 25 September 2012 10: 35
          +2
          Quote: Ataturk
          Here it is to God, I do not understand Russian.

          Lobster! hi
          Yes, we ourselves sometimes do not understand ourselves !!!!
          Yo mine !!!)))

          Quote: Ataturk
          Here it is to God, I do not understand Russian. I swear I don’t understand.

          And how can we understand us ????)))
          Suck I wanted Antipetyan from Pupyrchaty, and I received a warning from Vadim Smirnov I ???)))
          AND TWO IMMEDIATELY!!!!
          Here is the question, so the question ???)))
          How can I understand this ????)))
          1. Yarbay
            Yarbay 25 September 2012 10: 44
            +5
            Quote: met
            Antipetyan wanted to suck Pupyrchaty, and I RECEIVED warnings from Vadim Smirnov I ???)))

            By the way, I also received a warning but one thing, on the same issue))))))))))))))))
            Mind Russia does not understand))) in the sense of the last bans)))))))))))
            1. with
              with 25 September 2012 10: 49
              +2
              Quote: Yarbay
              Mind Russia does not understand))) in the sense of the last bans)))))))))))

              Ну "LOVES" Smirnov Vadim !!!))) bully
              Soon completely banned !!!! (((( crying
              1. Ataturk
                Ataturk 25 September 2012 10: 53
                +5
                Quote: met
                Well, Smirnov Vadim "LOVES" me !!!)


                I do not agree buddy. Smirnov is a very good man. Always related
                with understanding. Probably we made a srach. Imagine, among the military, the hungry military, usually the military are hungry for a woman, but here they offer to suck for one refutation. That's all fussed ....
                And Smirnov really doesn’t like srach in the site, and that has cooled us down.

                I don’t know how you are now without a woman. One(((((((((((((((((((((((((((((((((((
                1. Yarbay
                  Yarbay 25 September 2012 11: 01
                  +2
                  Quote: Ataturk
                  And Smirnov really doesn’t like srach in the site, and that has cooled us down.

                  You too?)))))))))))
                  And are you also hungry there in Scandinavia?))))))))))
                  1. Ataturk
                    Ataturk 25 September 2012 11: 17
                    +3
                    Quote: Yarbay
                    You too?)))))))))

                    do not put salt on my wound. As soon as the documents are ready,
                    my job
                    end and fly to Baku. 3 DAYS I will not be. So take care
                    sex
                    so that from the screams of my woman, the whole building would shake, so that the neighbors in the morning
                    I was ashamed to look in the face. I already ordered, a kilo of real dry
                    fruit and pomegranate juice.

                    I’ll arrange something that little will not seem to anyone. Yes, and your beauty too
                    I'll bring it. At first, the azer was frightened of her; I say calmly a gagul.
                    You lie, and she will have you))))))))))))
                    1. Yarbay
                      Yarbay 25 September 2012 11: 49
                      +3
                      Quote: Ataturk
                      . I already ordered, a kilo of real dry
                      fruit and pomegranate juice.

                      I hope you there in Scandinavia add bromine to your food?)))))))))))
                      1. Ataturk
                        Ataturk 25 September 2012 12: 07
                        +3
                        Quote: Yarbay
                        I hope you there in Scandinavia add bromine to your food?))))

                        No brother. I love everything IVF. Drink pomegranate 1 week in a row
                        juice in a glass a day then see what happens))))))))

                        Here is the source of energy.

                        Take it .... and into small pieces



                        mix everything with real honey. In the morning 3 spoons.
                        And in the afternoon, this is real



                        the effect will be like that. Constantly)))))) checked. 15 a day.

                      2. Yarbay
                        Yarbay 25 September 2012 12: 12
                        +1
                        Quote: Ataturk
                        the effect will be like this

                        Yes, I believe you brother))
                        You just said that you were abstaining now, so I thought why do you need aphrodisiacs?)))))))))))))
                      3. Ataturk
                        Ataturk 25 September 2012 12: 35
                        +1
                        Quote: Yarbay
                        I thought why do you need aphrodisiacs?)

                        This is not for me but for you !!! Azer is already sunbathing. He wants his skin like
                        then go under it. From the solarium does not come out. HAHAHAHAHAHA))))))))))))))))))
                        he was delighted with her.

                        I’m taking her for Azer. And then he goes out with everything before his eyes. Can't look at
                        his torment.



                        So what do you need? There is constant light. She will show her teeth at night, as from
                        light bulbs 10 wadded. Savings)))) plus a little thing still that)))) Honey help
                        took it. She has no AIDS and Ebola. Pure)))
                      4. Yarbay
                        Yarbay 25 September 2012 12: 39
                        +1
                        Quote: Ataturk
                        Pure)))

                        I understand, lives at the bathhouse))))))))))))
                      5. Odessa
                        Odessa 25 September 2012 12: 44
                        0
                        Ataturk,
                        What difference does it make? Here in Israel, some Ethiopians marry Muslim children, Israeli Arabs, some change their religion, some do not. So if people are happy we don’t blame them. I didn’t find the photo, see postcard.
                      6. vorobey
                        vorobey 25 September 2012 12: 23
                        +2
                        Quote: Ataturk
                        Here is the source of energy.

                        Take it .... and into small pieces


                        Omar welcome. This is more pissed off than Romanov and Mat with his beer.

                        When I cook pilaf, I add dried apricots, raisins and prunes to it, and sprinkle pomegranate seeds on top of the dish. goes with a bang. and nuts with honey for dessert. the effect is about the same.
                      7. Yarbay
                        Yarbay 25 September 2012 12: 27
                        +1
                        Quote: vorobey
                        and nuts with honey for dessert. the effect is about the same

                        my uncle added as he said * a drop * of cognac)))))
                        Black quiche and pomegranate juice are also very useful !!!!!
                        In general, Omar is right)))))))))))))))
                      8. with
                        with 25 September 2012 12: 35
                        +1
                        Incoming Messages | Sent Messages | send a message
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                        Online
                        Smirnov Vadim Today, 12:30 | Site Violation Warning


                        You violated the rules of the site, admitted in the comment:
                        "Flood, pictures and discussion off topic!" in the article Situation around the Caspian in the event of a coalition strike on Iran
                        .

                        You have 1 violations. Site rules
                        EVERYTHING, guys, I told you that Vadim Smirnov-LOVES me "!!!
                        I extinguish the light !!!)))
                      9. Yarbay
                        Yarbay 25 September 2012 12: 40
                        +1
                        Quote: met
                        You violated the rules of the site, admitted in the comment:
                        "Flood, pictures and discussion off topic!" in the article Situation around the Caspian Sea in the Event of a Coalition Strike on Iran.
                        You have 1 violations. Site rules
                        EVERYTHING, guys, I told you that Vadim Smirnov-LOVES me "!!!

                        Well, that means we will get (((
                      10. with
                        with 25 September 2012 12: 46
                        +1
                        Quote: met
                        EVERYTHING, guys, I told you that Vadim Smirnov-LOVES me "!!!

                        Сmyrnov, Well you Answer you about Iran ?!))))
                        After all, I already wrote on it, NOT OUR is the country, well, that's just not ours !!!)))
                        I understand that I AM, but they didn’t teach me differently !!!
                        So HERE and ban to your pleasure !!! (((
                      11. Ataturk
                        Ataturk 25 September 2012 12: 47
                        0
                        I again got a warning ............ (((((((((((((((
                        I'll go until they banned me ((((((((((((((((((((((((((((((((
                      12. Odessa
                        Odessa 25 September 2012 12: 36
                        +1
                        Yarbay,
                        In general, Omar is right)))))))))))))))

                        I also noticed that he is in many respects right, and he welcomes healthy food. By the way, olives are also very useful both themselves and olive oil.
                      13. Ataturk
                        Ataturk 25 September 2012 12: 42
                        0
                        Quote: Odessa
                        By the way, olives are also very useful both themselves and olive oil.


                        Oh Esther, you are my dear, GMO olives everywhere. It is hard to find eco products.
                        I always try to take what is eco. After transferring GENE SCORPIO
                        in general, it was frightening to eat something (((((((((((

                        Look

                      14. Odessa
                        Odessa 25 September 2012 12: 34
                        +1
                        vorobey,
                        and nuts with honey for dessert.

                        You can chop the apples into cubes and fry them in a frying pan without oil, stirring constantly, and add half a teaspoon of cinnamon, a mug to unsweetened tea, and very useful!
              2. Yarbay
                Yarbay 25 September 2012 11: 00
                +4
                Quote: met
                Soon completely banned !!!!

                Can we organize a trade union, unjustly banned?)))
                1. Apollo
                  Apollo 25 September 2012 12: 19
                  +2
                  Quote: Yarbay
                  Can we organize a trade union, unjustly banned?)))


                  initiative on the site is punishable in the worst case, but at best it will be ignored.
              3. Apollo
                Apollo 25 September 2012 12: 22
                +1
                Quote: met
                Soon completely banned !!!! ((((


                don't think Mr. Smirnov does what is prescribed to do BUT, sometimes not consistent ..
          2. Ataturk
            Ataturk 25 September 2012 10: 49
            +4
            Hi Met. How are you buddy?

            Quote: met
            Antipetyan wanted to suck Pupyrchaty, and I RECEIVED warnings from Vadim Smirnov I ???)))
            AND AT ONCE TWO !!!!


            By God I came late at all. I see they are offering this, but what, I think they are offering it for one text. I went in search of a refutation of this information, and in the morning I received a WARNING from the administration.

            I really have 1 warning.

            Quote: met
            How can I understand this ????)))

            The administration may have been mistaken.

            Or maybe you got into a conversation and also stood in line as I did?
            Or he resisted the business of others. Here they suggest it, and you probably
            business undermined.

            Well I do not know))))))))
            1. Alexander Romanov
              Alexander Romanov 25 September 2012 10: 55
              +5
              Quote: Ataturk
              and in the morning I received a WARNING from the administration.

              Hi Omar, few people left Saita without warning yesterday, admins raged yesterday in earnest to see the reason was laughing
              1. Yarbay
                Yarbay 25 September 2012 11: 02
                +5
                Quote: Alexander Romanov
                Hi Omar, few people left Saita without warning yesterday, admins raged yesterday in earnest to see the reason was

                Prepare us)))))))))
                Hard time))))))))))
                1. with
                  with 25 September 2012 11: 06
                  +3
                  Quote: Yarbay
                  Prepare us)))))))))
                  Hard time))))))))))

                  Saved for spenders, but I give it to you !!)))
                  1. Odessa
                    Odessa 25 September 2012 11: 40
                    +2
                    with,
                    What do you think is the only one with warnings? A few days of ban will fly by and you won’t notice, by the way, you can also go to the site from the phone.
                    1. Apollo
                      Apollo 25 September 2012 12: 14
                      +2
                      Quote: Odessa
                      What do you think is the only one


                      Greetings to Esther and everyone else! hi Why, I also got an 1 warning. So you're not alone. laughing
                      1. Ataturk
                        Ataturk 25 September 2012 12: 38
                        0
                        Quote: Apollon
                        Why, I also got an 1 warning. So you're not alone.


                        I told you, free cheese only happens in a mousetrap? (((((((
                        Such a feeling was given to everyone on syphilis)))))))
                  2. Yarbay
                    Yarbay 25 September 2012 11: 51
                    +4
                    Quote: met
                    Saved for spenders, but I give it to you !!)))

                    This is so unexpected))))))))))))
                    the hair stood on end))))))))))))
                    thanks of course))))))))
                    Alexey lost a lot))
                2. Alexander Romanov
                  Alexander Romanov 25 September 2012 11: 07
                  +2
                  Quote: Yarbay
                  Prepare us))

                  It depends on what, if it’s kind of like this, salt lists and all that is already stocked up, and if it’s an eternal ban, then nothing lasts forever under the Moon laughing
              2. Ataturk
                Ataturk 25 September 2012 11: 20
                +5
                Quote: Alexander Romanov
                Hi Omar, few people left Saita without warning yesterday, admins raged yesterday in earnest to see the reason was


                Hello my dear. What did I miss again? Well, in vain the administration is so violent
                punished. They must understand our situation.

                Imagine the barracks, the hungry military, and then one came out and said to whom
                to suck? Imagine the faces of all the military?

                Immediately ARAAAAAAAAAAAA ARAAAAAAAAAAAA)))))))) Halyava
                1. Alexander Romanov
                  Alexander Romanov 25 September 2012 11: 34
                  +3
                  Quote: Ataturk
                  Imagine the barracks, the hungry military, and then one came out and said to whom
                  to suck? Imagine the faces of all the military?

                  Well, there it’s clear, a long service, but some at the Olympics, but right at all wassat
              3. Apollo
                Apollo 25 September 2012 12: 17
                +1
                Quote: Alexander Romanov
                Yesterday, few left Saita without warning,


                Greetings to Alexander! hi Amazing even restless received xnumx warning xa laughing
                1. Odessa
                  Odessa 25 September 2012 12: 25
                  +1
                  Apollo,
                  Surprisingly even the restless received 1 warning HA

                  And Igor, a coffee pot, also gotten into trouble. He went to the site and greeted unsuccessfully!
                  Oh, these Mongol tanks! laughing
              4. vorobey
                vorobey 25 September 2012 12: 24
                +2
                Quote: Alexander Romanov
                see the reason was


                Everyone answered for the bazaar. drinks
        2. klimpopov
          klimpopov 25 September 2012 10: 49
          +2
          If we ourselves understood, oh, in what state we lived now, but don’t think not all of them.
          1. Ataturk
            Ataturk 25 September 2012 11: 00
            +9
            Quote: klimpopov
            If we ourselves understood, oh, in what state we lived now, but don’t think not all of them.


            I believe that in Russia there will be a holiday. I do not believe that Russia will fade away.
            Russia is obliged to live better than anyone with such wealth.

            There are simply nations in the world, thieves, murderers, greedy peoples, give them everything and give it if it weren’t for them, I’m sure Russia would be the first Dubai.
            No minds? No power? Just enough. It's just that these bastards find traitors among the people, so they use them.

            May God grant your country prosperity.
            1. klimpopov
              klimpopov 25 September 2012 11: 18
              +4
              Thank you for your kind words addressed to Russia. I also believe that it will rise and rise in spite of it! And at the expense of traitors, everything is true, absolutely support. I want to go to Baku next year, they say it’s not bad for tourists now. Do you need a visa?
              1. Kamilla
                Kamilla 25 September 2012 11: 37
                +4
                Quote: klimpopov
                Do you need a visa?


                no no need ... CIS for now. come, we will be happy. drinks
              2. Ataturk
                Ataturk 25 September 2012 11: 41
                +4
                Quote: klimpopov
                I want to go to Baku next year, they say it’s not bad for tourists now. Do you need a visa?


                A visa is not needed. Come over.
                Look at this show and you’ll understand. To friends, our doors are open day and night.



                Only you do not stay in one Baku. Go to

                Gabala


                Lip


                Ismayilli



                Sheki ... eat PITI there ((((((((((mmmmmmmmmmmmmm salivating and flowing



                for one and baklava. They make such baklava))) mmmmmmmmm

                For one look at the very first Christian monastery in the Caucasus


                Should I continue? I’ll tell you such places, you blame
                1. Kamilla
                  Kamilla 25 September 2012 11: 51
                  +3
                  Quote: Ataturk
                  For one look at the very first Christian monastery in the Caucasus


                  yes, this is an Albanian church ..) the village of Kish, Sheki.

                  In the oldest of the villages of Azerbaijan - Kish, there is a unique ancient monument - the ancient Albanian temple. It has a special status among Christian Albanian monuments. It has value not only as an architectural monument, but also has outstanding historical value. The official date of its laying is the XNUMXst century AD, the time when the territory of Azerbaijan was part of the Caucasian part of Albania. Historians suggest that the temple was founded by the apostle Elisha, who brought Christianity to Albania: “Elisha received an inheritance east, directing his way from Jerusalem to Persia, begins to preach with three disciples, was persecuted and arrived in Kish, where he built a church and made a bloodless sacrifice”
                  Inside the Temple it is cool even in the hottest weather, and the air here is as if saturated with antiquity and as if God's presence is felt. All comers throw coins in a special niche, making their own ideas. The inner walls of the Temple, unfortunately, were peeling and dilapidated. But in one place a layer of ancient stucco has been preserved. There is a belief that if a coin attached to this place sticks, the desire will come true. The courtyard of the Temple is also of interest. Here is an ancient burial covered with a transparent plastic dome. Look at the bones of ancient people lying at a depth of several meters. There are many similar graves in the temple. Apparently, the ministers of the temple or holy people who have earned the right to be buried at the foot of the "house of God" are buried here. The growth of buried people (at least two meters) is amazing.

                  One of the few surviving ancient temple of Caucasian Albania - the church of St. Elisha in the village of Kish, is today a monument to the centuries-old Christian culture of the Transcaucasian region.

                  Another Christian temple of the Albanian period, dating from the VI-VII centuries, is located in the village of Horta-Zeysit in the vicinity of Sheki.
                2. Ataturk
                  Ataturk 25 September 2012 12: 00
                  +5
                  klimpopov here is another video for you. See where you like it, tell me
                  I will tell you where this place is. This is a new video.



                  The main thing is to dress simply as a tourist. Everywhere say that you are a student and tourist
                  not to sing with the price. If you tell the student you will also be helped))))))))

                  Do you like fishing? You can go to the gay gel. It's beautiful there and dofiga trout



                  You can fly to Nakhchivan. This is our city. The truth is far, but
                  there are noah's movzales. This is the place where he lived.


                  Soon Noah’s ark approached another higher mountain, and the one that had previously come in his way was given the name “Inam Dag” (translated from the Azerbaijani language as “Mountain of Faith”). It is located in Nakhichevan, only 30 kilometers from Agrydag (Ararat in Armenian). According to biblical texts, when the waters receded, Noah and his family went down the mountain and headed to the blooming land of gardens, where he settled and died. This land was called "Place, From Noah Descended", (Noah Chyhan) the word "Nakhichevan" is translated. Sailed, saw, inherited ...

                  And most importantly, eat our dolma more. From grape leaves and vegetables, tomato, eggplant and pepper. Have a shish kebab. Go to Gobustan
                  there are traces of ancient people


                  You can visit the temple of fire worshipers. shortest enough. And most importantly here.

                  1. klimpopov
                    klimpopov 25 September 2012 12: 37
                    +3
                    Thanks!!! I've watched the program on My planet, so I started thinking, and not far from us. Resolved !!! next vacation there! This is not muddy Egypt, and not corrupted Turkey, with "Tagil" - there is a real thing !!!))) Will a Russian passport be enough, as to Belarus?)

                    And the kitchen is a separate conversation !!! Well, you are to us! I don’t advise in dombai, but Arkhyz is what you need! Shishkin worked there!





                    1. Kamilla
                      Kamilla 25 September 2012 13: 48
                      +3
                      very beautiful!! thanks for the invitation ... somehow, be sure! hi
                      1. Ataturk
                        Ataturk 25 September 2012 13: 53
                        +3
                        Quote: Kamilla
                        very beautiful!! thanks for the invitation ... somehow, be sure!


                        I support. +1 Wow, how beautiful. Where is it?
                      2. klimpopov
                        klimpopov 25 September 2012 14: 09
                        +1
                        It is not far from the village of Arkhyz, the places are amazing, nature is almost untouched, although now the road is being built, but it is slightly lower. From CMS (Mineralnye Vody Airport, about three hours will be by car, from us of course less)
                        And by the way, the Iranian theme and these places even though it is covenantly touches ...


                      3. Ataturk
                        Ataturk 25 September 2012 14: 18
                        0
                        Quote: klimpopov
                        I love the Caucasus very much, so I want to visit Baku, and


                        Wow that's the beauty. Super. Damn how good our creator is,
                        by creating such beauty, and how bad his slave is,
                        what destroys such beauty.

                        Quote: klimpopov
                        to visit, and Yerevan ..

                        Before traveling to Yerevan, contact the Azerbaijani authorities,
                        they will give you a detailed map of the attractions of RUIN, where
                        should go. True, many have already been destroyed to the ground.
                      4. klimpopov
                        klimpopov 25 September 2012 14: 22
                        +2
                        We do not know how to enjoy this beauty unfortunately, this is truly Paradise. Now I think it’s clear why this is a zone of US national interests? And how much is all underground here ...
                        Of course, I apologize to the administration for the flood, and if I broke something, I’m ready to be punished, but I can’t answer.
                      5. Ataturk
                        Ataturk 25 September 2012 14: 27
                        +5
                        Quote: klimpopov
                        We do not know how to enjoy this beauty unfortunately, this is truly Paradise.


                        We can, they just don’t give us pleasure, envious people, greedy people.

                        Quote: klimpopov
                        Now I think it’s clear why this is a zone of US national interests?


                        The national interest of these ........... is such that, destroy Russia.
                        Because
                        I know RUSSIAN would rather die standing than live on her knees under
                        US leadership. Russia is the only country that can
                        put them on your knees. And therefore, to discourage patriotism, thoughts,
                        faith in religion, they created this debauchery that you see and we see
                        in our countries. Alas. And when you want to destroy a nation, you have to
                        destroy his culture. What they do very, very efficiently
                        thanks to the traitors.

                        For them, like a 220 volt, a smart Russian patriot is dangerous.

                        We have a good administration, just the above persons, REDISK, write to them
                        they get them, they bomb the PM, so they explode. They do not punish us
                        and them, if you want a dry forum, RECEIVE. What are we doing? We joke, we communicate,
                        get to know each other. And they who write to administrators themselves cannot be friends
                        AND OTHERS ARE NOT GIVEN !!! TOAD PRESS !!! Here comes the result!
                      6. klimpopov
                        klimpopov 25 September 2012 14: 39
                        +2
                        We can, they just don’t give us pleasure, envious people, greedy people.

                        Yes, here it is, as it were, controversial, without the Russians they will begin to clarify relations with each other ("local peoples") The United States is simply skillfully using long-standing disagreements and controversial issues, and without the infusion of funds, chaos will simply begin.
                        And if you look at the Krasnodar, Stavropol Territory and the Republic of Karachay-Cherkessia, it’s like three different states, on the one hand which is quite successful Krasnodar, Stavropol more or less, but in the KCR, I’ll put an ellipsis ...
                      7. Ataturk
                        Ataturk 25 September 2012 14: 51
                        +3
                        Quote: klimpopov
                        Yes, here it is, as it were, debatable, without the Russians, they will begin to clarify relations with each other ("local peoples")


                        My dear, for this you need to give a couple of provocateurs zvizdyuley, powerfully give,
                        then they come to their senses. Why in the USSR it turned out to grow educated
                        society? Yes, because the laws were such that, not only you have
                        power, but also until the third generation of your family. I remember how they said
                        and fingers poked at those who were sitting. Their children could no longer work in the organs.
                        Alas, a person understands the language of a whip when he behaves badly. Maybe we are animals
                        so? Not just the same Darwin considered our ancestors monkeys? In us
                        there is an animal instinct, so the further you go, the closer we get to animals. Here is the topic of genocide. Can a man kill a child?
                        No, he is not a man; he is an animal. Lions when they mark new territories, they kill
                        and babies lion and more. In another topic, there is about Americans who
                        peed on corpses. Is this a man? No it's a hyena, they do the same.
                        The farther, the more we move away from human truth. That’s the trouble.


                        Quote: klimpopov
                        And if you look at the Krasnodar, Stavropol Territory and the Republic of Karachay-Cherkessia, it’s like three different states, on the one hand which is quite successful Krasnodar, Stavropol more or less, but in the KCR, I’ll put an ellipsis ...


                        In Soviet times, they lived as they should. They knew that for any not respect
                        get on the head, and so that their life does not seem raspberry. Was
                        justice. And now? That's the question.

                        Now people don’t know how to make money on bread, do you want to hand in an interview,
                        Then what the hell did I study? Etc.

                        In general, this is a long and painful topic.
                      8. klimpopov
                        klimpopov 25 September 2012 15: 01
                        +2
                        In general, this is a long and painful topic.

                        That is yes. And by the way in KCR with cars and houses it was easier. My father told me how a cousin came to him from the Volga region, and what kind of eyes he had when they went to his relatives in Erkin Shahar ... It was allowed by pain ...
                        But I propose to finish the discussion, because the admins will be angry.
                        Generally next year to you, and we are always glad to see you!
                3. nycsson
                  nycsson 25 September 2012 14: 59
                  +1
                  Quote: Ataturk
                  Should I continue? I’ll tell you such places, you blame

                  Of course go on! The beauty! yes
                4. Karish
                  Karish 25 September 2012 16: 18
                  +1
                  Omar, you can forward the cauldrons by e-mail. Pliz !!!!!!!!! good
                  1. Ataturk
                    Ataturk 25 September 2012 16: 22
                    +3
                    Quote: Karish
                    Omar, you can forward the cauldrons by e-mail. Pliz !!!!!!!!!

                    Quote: nycsson
                    Of course go on! The beauty!


                    I hope they do not punish me. Here's a video. Take a look. Remember what moment
                    and I will tell you where it is.



                    waiting for you to visit. It is better to have 1 true friend than 100 unnecessary relatives.
                5. Isr
                  Isr 26 September 2012 13: 20
                  +1
                  Everything is very beautiful and tasty, no words. But for now, it is not safe for us Israelites to travel with you. Let's hope for the best.
                  1. Ataturk
                    Ataturk 26 September 2012 13: 31
                    +1
                    Quote: Isr
                    But for now, it is not safe for us Israelites to travel with you.

                    I’ll tell you one secret. How immigrants from Azerbaijan flew from Israel to
                    Baku is still flying, even this year there was a jump.

                    Was there at least 1 case when a tourist was killed in Baku or Azerbaijan
                    From Israel? Or in general anyone?

                    There are no security problems in Azerbaijan.
                    1. Isr
                      Isr 26 September 2012 13: 53
                      0
                      Quote: Ataturk
                      Was there at least one case when a tourist from Israel was killed in Baku or Azerbaijan altogether? Or in general anyone?

                      This is true, but more recently there was some story with the Iranians who were preparing a terrorist attack against the Israeli national football team, but yours and our special services have sorted them out.
                      1. Ataturk
                        Ataturk 26 September 2012 14: 47
                        +1
                        Quote: Isr
                        This is true, but more recently there was some story with the Iranians who were preparing a terrorist attack against the Israeli national football team, but yours and our special services have sorted them out.


                        In in. Only in this case, the Iranians not only in relation to you but also to us
                        drink blood. So don’t worry. Welcome.
                6. minvard
                  minvard 26 September 2012 14: 52
                  -3
                  Can I find out what the monastery is called?
                  1. Ataturk
                    Ataturk 26 September 2012 15: 02
                    0
                    Quote: minvard
                    Can I find out what the monastery is called?


                    No, I'm sorry. So that later around the world they write that he is Armenian?
                    Sorry I can not answer. And so I will say, he is AZERBAIJANI
                    from the foundation to the roof. We also built.

                    We also have a deed of purchase and land registration. So don't worry
                    he is our 100%.
                    1. kNow
                      kNow 26 September 2012 15: 07
                      +3
                      Ataturk,
                      don't offend david wink
                    2. Argentum
                      Argentum 26 September 2012 22: 36
                      +1
                      The man asked for the name of the monastery, so answer him, but don’t snarl and then appear in front of others white and fluffy. By the way, how can a monastery be Azerbaijani? You are Muslims laughing
              3. Ascetic
                Ascetic 25 September 2012 19: 30
                +4
                Quote: klimpopov
                I want to go to Baku next year, they say it’s not bad for tourists now


                A friend rested in Nabran, was satisfied, said that in Azerbaijan it is the best resort.
                1. Ataturk
                  Ataturk 25 September 2012 20: 06
                  0
                  Quote: Ascetic
                  A friend was relaxing in Nabran

                  Oooo Nabran :) Your friend knew where to go.
                  Pick up this sea, this is nature and forests, these are discos with famous
                  DJs, Nabran is sturgeon and caviar at black prices. Get it, it's heaven.

                  The road to Nabran



                  Resort between the sea and the forest



                  This is the Sea





                  Cottages



                  1. Yarbay
                    Yarbay 27 September 2012 06: 26
                    +1
                    Omar I do not like the beach there)))
                    There are no sand stones alone and the road is two meters away)) Cars drive dust by dust !!)))
                2. Yarbay
                  Yarbay 27 September 2012 06: 25
                  -1
                  Quote: Ascetic
                  A friend rested in Nabran, was satisfied, said that in Azerbaijan it is the best resort.

                  I would say the most advertised!
                  And there is tourist infrastructure since the days of the USSR!
                  Maybe I'm spoiled, but I don’t really like it there, I think there are better places!))
            2. nycsson
              nycsson 25 September 2012 14: 58
              +2
              Quote: Ataturk
              May God grant your country prosperity.

              Thanks for the kind words! And all the best to you! drinks hi
            3. Melchakov
              Melchakov 25 September 2012 18: 14
              +1
              Ataturk,
              And don’t say the fifth column works for wear. There’s a wave on the Internet that they want to replace brigades with battalions. It is strange that the only source that informed us of this was Glance. The rest of the articles are copied from the article exactly look. Although there is no decree on the MO website on the reorganization of brigades into battalions, etc.
              1. nycsson
                nycsson 25 September 2012 20: 20
                0
                Quote: Melchakov
                There’s a wave on the Internet that they say they want to replace brigades with battalions.

                It was a deal! These brigades cannot be staffed! They say the lack of 30-50% !!! So much for the army of constant combat readiness !!!
        3. nycsson
          nycsson 25 September 2012 10: 52
          +1
          Quote: Ataturk
          How can you, my dear ones, protect someone who, even 30 years ago, tried to drown your ships with the Americans?

          30 years ago we lived in the same country! Now what?
          Time does not stand still. Together with him, the situation in the world is changing! hi
          Quote: Ataturk
          I will find a video to show. Transfer Military Affairs.

          You can not look, I willingly believe!
          1. Ataturk
            Ataturk 25 September 2012 11: 23
            +6
            Quote: nycsson
            30 years ago we lived in the same country!

            Elegantly lived. And now I don’t know what. Everything is like dogs have become. All
            biting. All behaved peacefully. What I adored the USSR for is that
            cultivated a cultural society. Proud that at least he did not live much
            in such a power. The military guarded us, under an iron shield, from everything
            western der ma! Eeeeehhh

            Quote: nycsson
            You can not look, I willingly believe!

            Thank you for your trust.
            1. nycsson
              nycsson 25 September 2012 11: 55
              +1
              Quote: Ataturk
              And now I don’t know what. Everything is like dogs have become. Everything
              biting.

              That's it! And I do not know what is happening! Everything fell off the chain! Everyone is looking for their own benefit !!! Khan all of us alone! The Anglo-Saxons will not spare anyone, neither you nor us! hi
              1. Ataturk
                Ataturk 25 September 2012 12: 10
                +1
                Quote: nycsson
                Khan all of us alone!

                Quote: nycsson
                The Anglo-Saxons will not spare anyone, neither you nor us!


                All right, my dear. Everything is clear. I said a thousand times for me
                better the latest Russian than the best American.

                We got along, got married and married each other. Helped.
                We were friends and served together. Pad la Gorbachev.

                Damn it to the Hague, you need to give
                1. nycsson
                  nycsson 25 September 2012 14: 28
                  +2
                  Quote: Ataturk
                  Pad la Gorbachev.

                  I'm sick of this surname! He surrendered us to the fullest!
                  1. Ataturk
                    Ataturk 25 September 2012 14: 52
                    +2
                    Quote: nycsson
                    I'm sick of this surname! He surrendered us to the fullest!

                    eeeeeeeeeeeee brother ((((((((((((generally. Pad la he!
  5. Trailer
    Trailer 25 September 2012 09: 03
    0
    I’m looking at our sea from the window now - a little worried! Apparently, he feels that something is missing ... Yes, yes, yes! Disaster is coming, coming ... Oktoberfest! But seriously, the article is extremely one-sided! For the fact of what will happen to another large body of water - the Mediterranean Sea is not taken into account!

    "If Israel attacks Iranian nuclear facilities, then even before Tehran has to retaliate, resistance organizations, especially Hezbollah, which is closer to Israel, will do so," senior military adviser to Iran's supreme leader Ihya said on Saturday Safavi.

    According to the former commander of the IRGC, Lebanon and Syria are expanding the strategic space of the Islamic Republic and will respond in the event of an attack on Iran.

    "A country whose people are not afraid of becoming martyrs cannot be occupied," Safavi said.

    He also spoke unflatteringly about all Arab peoples. "If the Arabs had enough courage, no one would ever have occupied Palestine. Iran defends Palestine out of strategic interests," the MIGnews adviser quotes.

    Earlier, the leader of the Lebanese Shiite group, Sheikh Hassan Nasrullah, said that Hezbollah does not have chemical weapons, but that it can inflict colossal damage to Israel with its arsenal. Hezbollah missiles can, according to the leader of the group, hit any target in Israel. Nasrullah noted that even if Israel, in the event of a war, manages to destroy most of the group's missiles during the first strike, "there will still be missiles for a retaliatory strike."
    "Even the small number of missiles left will be enough to turn the lives of hundreds of thousands of Israelis into a real hell."
    1. Yarbay
      Yarbay 25 September 2012 09: 11
      +2
      Quote: Karavan
      He also spoke unflatteringly about all Arab peoples. "If the Arabs had enough courage, no one would ever have occupied Palestine. Iran defends Palestine out of strategic interests," MIGnew adviser quotes

      but where is the courage and courage of the Persians was in '45 when during the week the Soviet and British troops completely occupied Iran ??
      1. DIMS
        DIMS 25 September 2012 09: 15
        0
        Did they really want to resist?
        1. Yarbay
          Yarbay 25 September 2012 09: 16
          0
          Quote: DIMS

          Did they really want to resist?

          And what courage and love for the motherland then speech ???
          1. DIMS
            DIMS 25 September 2012 09: 22
            0
            They showed their courage when they cleared minefields during the Iran-Iraq.

            Everything that happened during the Second World War is absolutely separate. Unable to resist the inclusion of Iran in the orbit of the Axis countries, part of it is watered. the elite agreed to the assistance of the anti-Hitler coalition, which it intended to provide exclusively in the form of temporary occupation.
            1. Yarbay
              Yarbay 25 September 2012 09: 34
              +2
              Quote: DIMS

              They showed their courage when they cleared minefields during the Iran-Iraq

              This courage was not at the national level, but at the religious !!
              There many children who died were not Persians !!
              so again the question is, the elite agreed, but where was their courage national ??
            2. Ataturk
              Ataturk 25 September 2012 10: 28
              +4
              Quote: DIMS
              They showed their courage when they cleared minefields during the Iran-Iraq.


              or maybe you’ll tell us how their warships, together with the NATO ones, attacked Soviet ships ..... all the more so not so long ago. About 30 years ago.

              Will you tell me?
              1. nycsson
                nycsson 25 September 2012 10: 56
                0
                Quote: Ataturk
                or maybe you’ll tell us how their warships, together with the NATO ones, attacked Soviet ships ..... all the more so not so long ago. About 30 years ago.

                So what? Or maybe you will tell how 30 years ago were part of the USSR. Now look into the mouth of Turkey and Israel! And practically turned into our enemy! hi
                1. Ataturk
                  Ataturk 25 September 2012 11: 28
                  +5
                  Quote: nycsson
                  So what? Or maybe you’ll tell us how 30 years ago they were part of the USSR.

                  if you return the USSR in the same vein as it was, I am with arms and legs for the USSR.
                  The fact that we stood in the direction of Turkey and Israel, that we did not stand for strangers.
                  As Russia is close to Belarus and Ukraine, culturally and spiritually, so are we
                  Turkey is close. No more. Personally, I do not support Turkey in the Syrian issue.
                  I do not support Turkey that it openly goes against Israel. Although they say this is a concert, but still.

                  And why Israel, not because I love Shemon Peres, and then what, for me there is no bad nation in the world, there are bad people. Our citizens live in Israel.
                  All of them have 2 passports. How can I blame the Jews when I have Jews friends. For me, bread is very sacred, I ate with them at the table. But I don’t throw bread on the floor. That’s what I am.

                  I ate Russian friends, my mother cooked when I was still young, how can I go against them when my mother called them sons? They were my friends.
                  Do I have friends from Russia who participated in all my troubles, shared my successes with me? I'm not

                  I will never go against the Russians, Jews and Turks. The reasons are not geopolitical but cultural.

                  I hope you understand me.
                  1. nycsson
                    nycsson 25 September 2012 12: 00
                    0
                    Quote: Ataturk
                    I hope you understand me.

                    Yes, I understand perfectly! The people, as a rule, do not solve anything! Decides the manual! It sets the direction of the country's development, tasks, priorities, etc.
                    They just want to tear us apart from each other to the maximum, quarreling the entire CIS space! Damn knows what's going on! Enemies Around! Together we must stick, individually to all the Khan!
                    1. Ataturk
                      Ataturk 25 September 2012 12: 12
                      +1
                      Quote: nycsson
                      They just want to tear us apart from each other to the maximum, quarreling the entire CIS space!


                      vooooooooooooooooooooooooooooo. true. Right. A plus.

                      Quote: nycsson
                      Enemies Around! We gotta stick together

                      May God grant your family health and happiness so right
                      raised a son.

                      My respect to them.
                      1. nycsson
                        nycsson 25 September 2012 14: 34
                        0
                        Quote: Ataturk
                        May God grant your family health and happiness so right
                        raised a son.

                        Thanks! And your all the best! This correctness and principle in life comes to me sideways! They love toadies, but there are none like me! hi
                      2. Ataturk
                        Ataturk 25 September 2012 14: 54
                        +1
                        Quote: nycsson
                        Thank! And your all the best! This correctness and principle in life comes to me sideways!


                        In the 21 CENTURY it is very dangerous to be right. Nobody likes the honest.
                        Not in the USA, not in Russia, not in Azerbaijan.

                        Quote: nycsson
                        They love toadies, but there are none like me!

                        It goes without saying. They need a dumb society and half hungry. Manage them
                        and manipulation is very easy.
                      3. nycsson
                        nycsson 25 September 2012 17: 11
                        0
                        Quote: Ataturk
                        In the 21 CENTURY it is very dangerous to be right. Nobody likes the honest.
                        Not in the USA, not in Russia, not in Azerbaijan.

                        In Russia, exactly!
                        Quote: Ataturk
                        It goes without saying. They need a dumb society and half hungry. Manage them
                        and manipulation is very easy.

                        I agree!
      2. klimpopov
        klimpopov 25 September 2012 09: 25
        +3
        This is a national trait of the Persians (I don’t want to offend anyone, but look at the history, but they fought successfully inside the region, but they gave in to the external enemy)
        1. Yarbay
          Yarbay 25 September 2012 09: 36
          +1
          Quote: klimpopov

          This is a national trait of the Persians (I don’t want to offend anyone, but look at the history, but they fought successfully inside the region, but they gave in to the external enemy)

          I did not understand a bit what do you mean when you speak inside the region ??
          1. klimpopov
            klimpopov 25 September 2012 09: 46
            +1
            Central Asia, the Persian Gulf, to some extent the Caucasus.
            1. Yarbay
              Yarbay 25 September 2012 10: 00
              +1
              Quote: klimpopov

              Central Asia, the Persian Gulf, to some extent the Caucasus.

              But aren't they also external opponents, or did you mean Europeans ??
              1. klimpopov
                klimpopov 25 September 2012 10: 15
                +2
                Yes, I had in mind Western culture, excuse me from far away. But this is my personal opinion.
                Now it can be formulated as follows: for centuries they fought for dominance and leadership in the region (Turkey - Iran), and did not go beyond it, now we can already say that Iran is approaching this status, and it naturally has appetites as a leader, but the region it’s not stable and it’s difficult to maintain a position here, there are too many serious players, and the heterogeneity of the population is affecting.
                I see this region as calm only at two extremes, either its complete apostasy (the Russian language is truly powerful) or ultra-extremism bordering on fanaticism (again, my opinion, nothing personal), it is clear that the second leads to what is known ... Well as it is clumsy, but formulated ....
                1. Yarbay
                  Yarbay 25 September 2012 10: 26
                  +1
                  Quote: klimpopov
                  Yes, I had in mind Western culture, excuse me from far away. But this is my personal opinion.

                  Now it’s clear))) in principle, if you look at the story, then it is !!
                  Quote: klimpopov
                  I see this region as calm

                  I don’t see peace in this region without nuclear weapons in one of the countries !!))
                  1. klimpopov
                    klimpopov 25 September 2012 10: 51
                    +1
                    I don’t see peace in this region without nuclear weapons in one of the countries !!))

                    But I’m still against nuclear weapons in this region, but you are probably right, but nuclear weapons already exist in one country;)
                    1. Yarbay
                      Yarbay 25 September 2012 10: 57
                      +3
                      Quote: klimpopov
                      Here I am, after all, against nuclear weapons in this region, but you are probably right, but nuclear weapons already exist in one country;

                      I am also against)))) and in my opinion it is enough that that country has))))
                      As in the movie * watch out for the car * is the leg of the one you need)))))
      3. Trailer
        Trailer 25 September 2012 09: 28
        +3
        Arab Persians. I will not go into this vinaigrette of the form "who owes what to whom?" I just read a little about the topic you raised and realized that the Persians did not really have a reason to resist:

        The USSR thrice - 26 June, 19 July and 16 August 1941, warned the Iranian leadership to activate German agents in the country and proposed to expel the territory of all German nationals (among them there were many hundreds of military specialists), since they conduct activities incompatible with Iran’s neutrality . Tehran rejected this request.
        He denied the same demand to the British. Meanwhile, the Germans in Iran developed their activity, and the situation became more and more dangerous for the anti-Hitler coalition every day.
        25 August morning in the 4 hour 30 minutes the Soviet ambassador and the British envoy jointly visited the Shah and handed him notes of their governments about the entry of Soviet and British troops into Iran.


        29 January 1942 was signed on the Treaty of Union between the USSR, Great Britain and Iran. The Allies pledged to "respect the territorial integrity, sovereignty and political independence of Iran." The USSR and Britain also pledged to "defend Iran with all the means at their disposal against any aggression on the part of Germany or any other power." For this task, the USSR and England received the right to "maintain in the Iranian territory land, sea and air forces in such quantities as they consider necessary." In addition, the Allied states were granted unlimited right to use, maintain, protect, and in the case of military necessity control over all means of communication throughout Iran, including railways, highways and dirt roads, rivers, airfields, ports, etc. Under this agreement, through Iran began to deliver allied military technical cargoes from the ports of the Persian Gulf to the Soviet Union.

        Iran, in turn, has committed itself to “cooperate with the Allied states with all the means at its disposal and in all possible ways so that they can fulfill the above obligations”.

        The treaty established that the troops of the USSR and Britain should be withdrawn from the territory of Iran not later than six months after the cessation of hostilities between the allied states and Germany and its accomplices. (In 1946, the troops were completely withdrawn). The Allied powers guaranteed Iran that they would not require the participation of its armed forces in military operations, and also pledged at peace conferences not to approve anything that would damage the territorial integrity, sovereignty or political independence of Iran. The presence of allied forces in Iran, the neutralization of German agents (*), the establishment of control over the main communications in the country significantly changed the military-political situation on the Soviet southern frontiers. The threat was removed to the most important oil region, Baku, which produced about three-quarters of all the oil produced in the USSR. In addition, the Allied military presence had a deterrent effect on Turkey. And the Soviet command was able to remove part of the forces from the southern borders and use them on the Soviet-German front. All this testified to the effectiveness of the cooperation of the great powers united in the fight against fascist aggression.
      4. Ataturk
        Ataturk 25 September 2012 10: 27
        +5
        Quote: Yarbay
        but where is the courage and courage of the Persians was in '45 when during the week the Soviet and British troops completely occupied Iran ??


        And you know that most of all, the rich world of the Caspian is destroyed precisely from Iran. They catch fish on a huge scale, especially sturgeon, and all for export. They do not eat this fish because of the antennae. Like haram. And caviar for export. They don’t have any sturgeon farms there.
      5. Kasym
        Kasym 25 September 2012 21: 33
        +2
        Hello Alibek! Let me correct you. Soviet and British troops occupied Iran a little earlier, in 42g. in my opinion, otherwise there would be no conference in Tehran in 1943. . Sincerely .
    2. mongoose
      mongoose 25 September 2012 09: 24
      +3
      why occupy? can be driven into the Stone Age, the population will quickly decline significantly, without communications, medicine, roads, bridges, industry.
      zs By the way, this is greatly facilitated by the atrocities of Muslims, primarily in Europe (they themselves, so to speak, prepare the ground in the public mood of "civilized" countries)
    3. Karish
      Karish 25 September 2012 16: 26
      0
      Quote: Karavan
      Earlier, the leader of the Lebanese Shiite group, Sheikh Hassan Nasrullah, said that Hezbollah does not have chemical weapons, but that it can cause colossal damage to Israel with its arsenal. Hezbollah's missiles can, according to the group leader, hit any target in Israel.

      Nick does not doubt it. From me to Lebanon 35 km, hail finishes in the lungs. It’s just that Nasrallah doesn’t say, but what will remain of Lebanon? Likely to compare incomparable things is somehow ridiculous. Israel will suffer great damage. Lebanon will come p.
      And he knows that very well. therefore, for 6 years now he has been sitting in his bunker without any climbs, he doesn’t climb out and communicates exclusively on TV. *WINNER* laughing
      Quote: Karavan
      According to the former commander of the IRGC, Lebanon and Syria are expanding the strategic space of the Islamic Republic and will respond in the event of an attack on Iran.

      Oh well . especially Syria especially now fool
  6. gregor6549
    gregor6549 25 September 2012 09: 13
    +4
    The people, how and what they want to chop off Iran in the Caspian Sea, is difficult to say, but what they want is undoubtedly. And they have a big grudge against Russia since the war, when the USSR brought its troops into Iran without bothering with the permission of the Iranians. And here, next to it, another tooth is sharpening on Russia, but already Turkish. Moreover, both "teeth" are very biting and grow all the time. For some time I worked at a Melbourne enterprise next to an Iranian, Doctor of Technical Sciences. His opinion is the same, but he is often in Iran and is aware of not only what is said from the high stands, but also what the Iranian street is talking about. And the Iranian street, with a few exceptions, is convinced that a small war will not interfere with it at all and will even help to reduce not only new, but also old accounts, and at the same time get its hands on a couple of three southern republics of the former Union.
    The fact that Russia is helping Iran now absolutely does not mean anything to Iran. As at one time she did not mean for Egypt. It was profitable for him to receive from the Union thousands of tanks, guns, aircraft, etc., he was friends with the Union, staff members began to pay more, he was friends with them. Eastern Bazaar, in kind.
    It is the same in Afghanistan and everywhere else. Help, they say, yours will not hurt us, but your head, comrade. Gyaur, it’s clearly pushing you. It would be necessary to remove the load from the shoulders.
    By the way, the same idea, very seditious at that time, was expressed by my political economics teacher, Madame Gurinovich, back in 1967. And she knew what she was talking about. was the wife of the then Minister of Foreign Affairs of Belarus, comrade Gurinovich, traveled around the world with him and saw what was about in the newspapers then neither ..
    1. klimpopov
      klimpopov 25 September 2012 09: 28
      +2
      Eastern Bazaar, in kind.

      Exactly!!! A thousand pluses.
      Just to clarify, Iran has sharpened a tooth on Russia since the time of Peter, I guess. And the Caucasus, as you recall, is the zone of confrontation between Turkey and Iran.
    2. nycsson
      nycsson 25 September 2012 09: 57
      0
      Quote: gregor6549
      but also the old accounts and at the same time seize a couple of the three southern republics of the former Union.

      Which for example? I think that Iran is not in a position to have such plans! He would have to save his territory! The Kurdish question, and Azerbaijan does not indifferently look at its north-west! And it is populated by ethnic Azerbaijanis!
      1. Yarbay
        Yarbay 25 September 2012 10: 11
        +1
        Quote: nycsson
        and Azerbaijan does not indifferently look at its north-west! And it is populated by ethnic Azerbaijanis!

        Above, Alexander Romanov answered these speculations very correctly !!
        It is unlikely that there would be anyone in Azerbaijan who would have thought like you!
        1. nycsson
          nycsson 25 September 2012 10: 23
          +1
          Quote: Yarbay
          Above, Alexander Romanov answered these speculations very correctly !!

          Maybe speculation! Only your country has a clearly anti-Iranian position. This is what my "conjectures" are based on! Plus I read several articles on this topic!

          Quote: Yarbay
          It is unlikely that there would be anyone in Azerbaijan who would have thought like you!

          Well, thank God! I am only happy about this! Although I have big doubts about this.
          1. Yarbay
            Yarbay 25 September 2012 10: 46
            +2
            Quote: nycsson
            Only your country has a clearly anti-Iranian position

            So there are objective reasons and real desires !!
            Why not stick to them, and all to impose on us a piece that we can’t digest ????
            And what are you happy with?))
            1. nycsson
              nycsson 25 September 2012 11: 25
              +2
              Quote: Yarbay
              And what are you happy with?))

              Quote: Yarbay
              It is unlikely that there would be anyone in Azerbaijan who would have thought like you!

              This one .......
              Quote: Yarbay
              Why not stick to them, and all to impose on us a piece that we can’t digest ????

              Yes, no one is forcing you! And he warns! That's for sure - don't digest! hi
        2. T72B
          T72B 25 September 2012 10: 41
          +2
          Quote: Yarbay
          It is unlikely that there would be anyone in Azerbaijan who would have thought like you!


          Here you are not quite right. About a week and a half or two ago, in the discussion of one of the articles by Omar and Kamilla, this was precisely the opinion expressed.
          1. Yarbay
            Yarbay 25 September 2012 10: 53
            +1
            Quote: T72Б
            Here you are not quite right. About a week and a half or two ago, in the discussion of one of the articles by Omar and Kamilla, such an opinion was expressed

            Hello Isaiah!
            I am sure that you or I misunderstood or the respected people you called !!
            Do not confuse the desire to eliminate the regime with the desire to join part of Iran!
            By the way, Comrade Nixon often sins this))
            1. T72B
              T72B 25 September 2012 11: 09
              +2
              Good day, dear Alibek. You know, I am not yet in such a "blooming" age, when they already confuse God's gift with eggs. I understand it could have been said in the heat of the moment. But it was. I just don't want to start a dispute right now, go into the archive and delve into all the articles, looking for these very comments. If you think that I am wrong and confuse something, I will not argue, but my memory has not let me down yet. I think dear people themselves remember this. If they deem it necessary to say that it never happened, well ...
            2. nycsson
              nycsson 25 September 2012 15: 06
              +1
              Quote: Yarbay
              By the way, Comrade Nixon often sins this))

              We are all sinners on this planet!
              Quote: Yarbay
              Do not confuse the desire to eliminate the regime with the desire to join part of Iran!

              One does not interfere!
          2. Kamilla
            Kamilla 25 September 2012 10: 54
            +3
            Quote: T72Б
            About a week and a half or two ago, in the discussion of one of the articles by Omar and Kamilla, this was precisely the opinion expressed.


            what is it about?
            1. T72B
              T72B 25 September 2012 11: 01
              +2
              I don’t want to go so far back now and look for your quotes, but it was about that it would not be bad, if something happened, to reunite with Iranian Azerbaijanis.
              1. Yarbay
                Yarbay 25 September 2012 11: 07
                +1
                Quote: T72Б

                I don’t want to go so far back now and look for your quotes, but it was about that it would not be bad, if something happened, to reunite with Iranian Azerbaijanis.

                I understand it is difficult to search and reluctance, but I seem to know well the position of both Omar and Camilla !!
              2. nycsson
                nycsson 25 September 2012 11: 28
                +2
                Quote: T72Б
                I don’t want to go so far back now and look for your quotes, but it was about that it would not be bad, if something happened, to reunite with Iranian Azerbaijanis.

                In Karabakh - that's for sure!
                1. T72B
                  T72B 25 September 2012 11: 41
                  +1
                  Quote: nycsson
                  In Karabakh - that's for sure!


                  Well, in Iran too. It may be rash, but it was. Moreover, I never gave any assessments to either the Iranian or Azerbaijani leadership, as for this you need to have more complete knowledge and desire to do it. I have neither one nor the other.
                  1. nycsson
                    nycsson 25 September 2012 15: 10
                    0
                    Quote: T72Б
                    Well, in Iran too. It may be rash, but it was.

                    I don’t remember that! I’m trying to prove it to them! What about Iran have such plans. Maybe I'm certainly wrong, but still! Yarbay fundamentally disagrees with my point of view! As they say, wait and see! hi
                2. Yarbay
                  Yarbay 25 September 2012 11: 54
                  +3
                  Quote: nycsson
                  In Karabakh - that's for sure!

                  in terms of???
                  there can be no two opinions on Karabakh !!
                  1. nycsson
                    nycsson 25 September 2012 14: 36
                    +2
                    Quote: Yarbay
                    in terms of???

                    You want to return it to yourself by hook or by crook.
                    Quote: Yarbay
                    there can be no two opinions on Karabakh !!

                    I have long understood your opinion.
          3. Ataturk
            Ataturk 25 September 2012 11: 07
            +3
            Quote: T72Б
            About a week and a half or two ago, in the discussion of one of the articles by Omar and Kamilla, this was precisely the opinion expressed.


            I don’t know who you are, but I think you are Russian. Now ask you a question. Respond in good faith.

            1. How do you feel about a neighboring country, which often violates the airspace of your country?

            As far as I remember, you shot down the ROCKET scout and then exchanged it for a spy. And then there was the case of Boeng South Korea covered all and people on the plane.
            But I want to hear your position.

            2. What will you do if they start killing Russians in a neighboring country? And the police and the authorities will be the killers?



            3. What will you do if your neighbors were silent in a rag for 80 years and suddenly woke up and decided to chop off your wealth at sea?

            4. What will you do if the Slavs begin to help the Chechens? Let’s say the Belarusians will begin to help the Chechens?
            Iran is doing the same thing. Helps Armenia and talks about Islam.

            5. What will you do if Ukraine or Belarus begins to dictate to you how you should live? What to wear, who should come to your country and who should not? Otherwise, threatens you with terrorist attacks?

            6. What will you do if they teach you who to be friends with and who not, and if you disobey you will be given a head off.

            Respond in conscience and honor?

            Should I continue this list?
            1. T72B
              T72B 25 September 2012 11: 24
              +2
              Omar, the Russian I or not Russian does not matter. Did I evaluate your attitude to Iran or its government? I just recalled your and Camille’s comments about Iranian Azerbaijanis. I am not going to argue further on this topic, much less give you any ratings or recommendations. You are completely convinced that you are right, and it is not my part to convince you of my goals. Since you think that Carthage should be destroyed, then it is your right to think so. And my right, I hope, if I see some discrepancies - to speak or not to talk about it.
              1. Ataturk
                Ataturk 25 September 2012 11: 47
                +1
                Quote: T72Б
                Do you think that Carthage should be destroyed

                No dear, let Carthage stand where it stands, but on our lands and the bottom, let them not stare. Am I asking a lot? Of course not.

                I am for peace. And they will raise their fingers, tear off their hand and many will help us in this.
                Even Russia. Although it helps, selling us the best.

                My respect to ROSOBORONEXPORT. hi
                1. T72B
                  T72B 25 September 2012 12: 02
                  +3
                  Quote: Ataturk
                  Let Carthage stand where it stands


                  Carthage is just my speech figure.

                  Quote: Ataturk
                  I am for peace.


                  So I, kind of, for the world. I never understood and will never be able to understand those who rejoice in the war (as a rule, these are those who have never slurped mud in the face).

                  Quote: Ataturk
                  My respect for ROSOBORONEXPORT


                  Thanks for that. It will be a good excuse in case of accusations of not quite targeted use of working time.
                  1. Ataturk
                    Ataturk 25 September 2012 12: 22
                    +2
                    Quote: T72Б
                    Thanks for that. There will be a good excuse in case of accusations

                    And where are the charges? EMBARGO stands on Azerbaijan. We and the Armenians cannot sell weapons. And Russia spits on them. To the western embargo. Us
                    it flatters. Very grateful for that. Like Israel, which also sells
                    us weapons.
                    1. Yarbay
                      Yarbay 25 September 2012 12: 29
                      +2
                      Quote: T72Б
                      Thanks for that. It will be a good excuse in case of accusations of not quite targeted use of working time.

                      Omar finally))))))))))))))))))))
                      You can buy * Poplar *)))))))))))
                      1. Ataturk
                        Ataturk 25 September 2012 12: 45
                        +3
                        Quote: Yarbay
                        You can buy * Poplar *))))))))

                        I swear if Azerbaijan buys Topol-M, I personally get a garage
                        where will Topol-M stand. I’ll wash his tires with beer.
                        I will caress him like a woman, I will dedicate poetry, I will look after him
                        like a woman. This is my dream.
                      2. with
                        with 25 September 2012 12: 49
                        +1
                        Quote: Ataturk
                        This is my dream.

                        Omar, dream about the good !!))
                      3. Kamilla
                        Kamilla 25 September 2012 14: 21
                        +2
                        Quote: Ataturk
                        I personally get a garage
                        where will Topol-M stand.


                        yeah? I thought you wanted something else what


                        Quote: Ataturk
                        I will caress him like a woman, I will dedicate poetry, I will look after him
                        like a woman


                        for poplar? don’t have to, dear .... poplar, if you can’t tell, though it’s a good thing ... but not a woman .. smile
                      4. Ataturk
                        Ataturk 25 September 2012 14: 33
                        +3
                        Quote: Kamilla
                        yeah? I thought you wanted something else

                        It does not interfere. I see how I sit on Topol-M
                        I call him a big big pi-finger !!!

                        Quote: Kamilla
                        don’t need dear .... poplar, if not cool, though
                        a good thing ... but not a woman ..


                        My dear, Poplar-M, like a bitch woman. Will overtake anyone.
                        Thing is good. Calm down hot heads can be in an instant.
                        When you caress her, your fingers feel the power of this bitch.
                        A man will show his ......... and she will show him the best X-R-R
                        so such that this will be the last dick in the life of hot heads.
                      5. nycsson
                        nycsson 25 September 2012 15: 12
                        +3
                        Quote: Kamilla
                        for poplar? don’t have to, dear .... poplar, if you can’t tell, though it’s a good thing ... but not a woman ..

                        That's what a WOMAN means! good
                      6. Ataturk
                        Ataturk 25 September 2012 15: 22
                        +4
                        Quote: nycsson
                        That's what a WOMAN means!

                        She is more than a WOMAN to me. I was lucky with her.
                        As if God himself sent her in the person of ANGEL to support me in everything
                        In this life. For which I am grateful to her.

                        They say every successful man is a woman.
                        I never believed. Now I believe.
                      7. nycsson
                        nycsson 25 September 2012 16: 31
                        +3
                        Quote: Ataturk
                        She is more than a WOMAN to me. I was lucky with her.

                        Yeah! So you know her not only from avatars? laughing But also in life!
                      8. Ascetic
                        Ascetic 26 September 2012 01: 33
                        +2
                        Omar, read the post and recalled a case from his army service, how in the year 90 that the USSR was formally still, during a stop on the march, Armenians came to the BO post and offered for 10 MILLION. SOVIET RUB. sell APU Poplar,
                        which they were lucky to see with their own eyes from afar (it is impossible to approach closer than 200m). They were lucky that we thought it was a joke and they got off with a slight fright and exile without the use of physical measures and subsequent surrender to the military counterintelligence agencies (the special officer, having learned, swore with the last words). I will describe in more detail the time in paints in the section "Soldier's Tales" there Zadornov is resting, but in fact, as it turned out, everything is very sad, our senior communications officer, an Armenian by nationality, when they told him about this case, uttered a long monologue in Armenian that no one essno understood, but in its translation into Russian it meant only one phrase-
                      9. Ataturk
                        Ataturk 26 September 2012 02: 01
                        0
                        GHGHGHGHGHGHGH

              2. Yarbay
                Yarbay 25 September 2012 11: 56
                +2
                Quote: T72Б
                I’m not going to argue further on this topic, let alone give you any ratings or recommendations.

                Dear Isaiah!
                My personal opinion is that if my compatriots want to separate from Iran, then let them build their state !!
                I think a friendly new country and good neighborly relations with a neighbor are good !!
                And I join categorically against !!
                1. Kamilla
                  Kamilla 25 September 2012 12: 06
                  +2
                  Quote: Yarbay
                  And I join categorically against !!


                  and I, for joining! we must return our lands ... and the territory should be what it was under Uzun-Hassan ...! under the Safavids ...!
                  1. Yarbay
                    Yarbay 25 September 2012 12: 15
                    +1
                    Quote: Kamilla
                    and I, for joining! we must return our lands ... and the territory should be what it was under Uzun-Hassan ...! under the Safavids ...!

                    I would not mind, only I understand that if this happens in the near future, it will be to the detriment of our country !!
                    And it is not known who will steer in such a country!
                    And generally unpredictable where to slide !!
                    We must take a sober approach to these issues !!
                    By the way, Isaiah, I really did not know that Camille and Omar think so !!
                    1. Ataturk
                      Ataturk 25 September 2012 12: 27
                      +1
                      Quote: Yarbay
                      By the way, Isaiah, I really did not know that Camille and Omar think so !!


                      Brother, if they were sitting quietly, the Persians, would not stir up the water, I personally go beyond those borders
                      which are recognized by the international community.
                      If Iran starts to stir up the water again, I am for it so that they get on the head.
                      Camila, patriot and ardent. Plus a historian. Plus she is a direct descendant of Panah Ali
                      Khan, in fact, Karabakh belongs to her family. Rod Javanshirov.

                      What do you think, what does it feel like to know what it is like when you have chopped off the land,
                      and even killed your citizens. Therefore, she hates any aggressor.

                      And if they behave like people, let them live. But no, Iran is
                      can't live in peace. They don’t like our clothes. Then they are our friends
                      do not like. And with whom are they friends? Muslims? With Russia? With us?
                      Pakistan? Afghans? The Chinese do not support them because they are experiencing
                      love for them, but because they need their oil.

                      It turns out all the bad and only the Iranians are good? Their friends are Armenians. That's all.
                      said !!!
                      1. nycsson
                        nycsson 25 September 2012 15: 21
                        0
                        Quote: Ataturk
                        Brother, if they were sitting quietly, the Persians, would not stir up the water, I personally go beyond those borders

                        Why did the Persians not please you?
                      2. Yarbay
                        Yarbay 25 September 2012 15: 32
                        +3
                        Quote: nycsson
                        Why did the Persians not please you?

                        Well 100 times already written !!
                        Honestly, the murder of these terrorists from the hezbollahs of Zia Buniyatov will never forgive them!
                        A man reached Berlin with a penal battalion commander, but then some villains were killed!
                      3. nycsson
                        nycsson 25 September 2012 16: 32
                        +1
                        Quote: Yarbay
                        Well 100 times already written !!

                        Not strong in history!
                      4. Yarbay
                        Yarbay 25 September 2012 16: 39
                        +2
                        Quote: nycsson
                        Not strong in history!

                        De is not about history speech))
                        I'm talking about the site))))
                      5. Ataturk
                        Ataturk 25 September 2012 15: 57
                        +2
                        Quote: nycsson
                        Why did the Persians not please you?


                        1. They fought with us. Our lands were taken.
                        2. They oppress ours in Iran and kill and do not allow ours to open their schools, communicate on Azeri, though they are being sent.
                        3. They support our enemies. They want to sound that we are brothers. Let your brotherhood shove somewhere further. If they closed the door, as Turkey did, then Karabakh would be returned without a bullet.
                        4. They do not allow us to be friends with Israel. At the same time, dogs are silent about their friendship with Armenia.
                        5. They are blackmailing and threatening us. Like, if you hold a concert in Baku, we will arrange a terrorist attack.
                        6. They wind up the Talyshs so that they make a coup in Baku.
                        7. They help our enemies.
                        8. They not only occupied my land, but also give them the bottom of the Caspian.
                        9. Their ambassadors in Baku speak for us and in Armenia for Armenians. Hypocrites.
                        10. They often violate the territorial waters and airspace of Azerbaijan.

                        Is that enough for you to call them enemies? If not, replace Azerbaijan with Russia and Iran with China, then answer again, would you consider them enemies?

                        Here is my people who live in Iran, they say poems about Azerbaijan
                        dream to unite. 30 million desires enough for Camila’s words to have power?


                      6. nycsson
                        nycsson 25 September 2012 16: 37
                        +1
                        Quote: Ataturk
                        Here is my people who live in Iran, they say poems about Azerbaijan
                        dream to unite. 30 million desires enough for Camila’s words to have power?

                        Quote: Ataturk
                        Well 100 times already written !!

                        Quote: Ataturk
                        Is that enough for you to call them enemies? If not, replace Azerbaijan with Russia and Iran with China, then answer again, would you consider them enemies?

                        Yeah! Of course enough! All this only proves my point! If you take all your posts about Karabakh and Iran, then you do not have to be seven spans in your forehead to draw the appropriate conclusions! I will not repeat myself!
                      7. Ataturk
                        Ataturk 25 September 2012 16: 57
                        +2
                        Quote: nycsson
                        Yeah! Of course enough!

                        Thank you for understanding. It means a lot to me.
                        But the thing is different. We have 2 options.

                        1. We, as losers, bow our heads before, may everyone forgive me, including the Armenians, in front of a poor country who have nothing of their own and will look at their lands from the side, how they lived there in poverty and will live silently in a rag, if we used to be called rams, then this will still be deservedly lo-ha-mi.

                        2. We will still endure to a convenient moment. And this moment may be when Iran will be attacked or when Russia will be busy with something else in order to conduct a quick war and win.

                        3. A very dangerous option. This will make the Russian authorities understand what the policy of double standards promises. This would deprive the radar, not buy weapons, hold a trans-Caspian pipeline, and so on. This will of course have 2 outcome options.

                        a) THE AUTHORITIES of Russia will think (given their love of wealth) and why we support Armenia where there is no benefit. Then there will be discussions on how to return Karabakh, while not to offend the Armenians, to them broad autonomy. As Heydar Aliyev said.

                        b) Enmity, which promises to all, God alone knows. Then the west will come and that’s it. and this is the 3rd world 100%

                        The question is different: is Russia ready to support the aggressor to the end? Occupant? Killers of children? And one of the conditions of Azerbaijan is the last 2 presidents of Armenia to judge in the Hague and the Minister of Defense. For the genocide in Khojaly.

                        That's all the cards revealed.
                      8. nycsson
                        nycsson 25 September 2012 17: 24
                        +1
                        Quote: Ataturk
                        And this moment may be when Iran will be attacked or when Russia will be busy with something else in order to conduct a quick war and win.

                        Both! This is what you are waiting for! Iran will certainly be attacked, and Russia will be occupied by Dagestan!
                        Quote: Ataturk
                        This will deprive the radar, not buy weapons, hold a trans-Caspian pipeline, and so on.

                        I don’t know about the pipeline, but the radar was almost deprived, and you buy weapons mainly in Israel!
                        Quote: Ataturk
                        The question is different: is Russia ready to support the aggressor to the end?

                        But this is known to a narrow circle of people, not to you and me!
                      9. Yarbay
                        Yarbay 25 September 2012 15: 46
                        +3
                        Quote: Ataturk
                        Their friends are Armenians. That's all.
                        said !!!

                        Certainly!
                        Although they are close in religion to me, while they are friends with the Armenians and act against my country, they are my enemies !!!
                      10. tekinoral
                        tekinoral 25 September 2012 16: 41
                        +1
                        Hi Yarbay. Do you have a big accent with them?
                      11. tekinoral
                        tekinoral 25 September 2012 16: 53
                        +2
                        in a short strategy it may not work, it will join, but in a long one it will be 100% connected
                      12. Yarbay
                        Yarbay 25 September 2012 16: 56
                        +3
                        Quote: tekinoral

                        Hi Yarbay. Do you have a big accent with them?

                        I wouldn’t say, but I immediately determine the Iranian, their dialect is similar to the dialect and accent of those Azeri who live in the south of Azerbaijan !!
                        Immigrants from Iran live in villages around Baku!
                      13. Beck
                        Beck 25 September 2012 19: 56
                        -1
                        Yarba. Ataturk.

                        Dear enlighten. I know for sure that Karachais and Balkars are Caucasian peoples in their genotype. I brought them a tongue from the Kipchaks.

                        But how are the Azerbaijanis? There are different sources, and if the sources are different, then opinions are different. Sorry, but not another way. Are Azerbaijanis a Turkic people or is it an arbitrary Iranians?

                        Only for interest and horizons.
                      14. Kamilla
                        Kamilla 25 September 2012 21: 50
                        +2
                        Quote: Beck
                        I know for sure that Karachais and Balkars are Caucasian peoples in their genotype. I’m a language brought from the Kipchaks.


                        Kypchaks, these are also Turks.


                        Quote: Beck
                        Sorry, but not another way. Are Azerbaijanis a Turkic people or is it an arbitrary Iranians?


                        Azerbaijanis, the Turkic people, we are the Turks ... Azeri Turk .... but not the expropriated Iranians.
                      15. Beck
                        Beck 25 September 2012 23: 58
                        0
                        Camille.

                        My regards.

                        Kivchaks are Türks, this is without a doubt.

                        Azerbaijanis are Turks. Thanks for the info. And then in different sources it is written differently.
                      16. Ataturk
                        Ataturk 25 September 2012 17: 01
                        +3
                        Quote: tekinoral
                        Hi Yarbay. Do you have a big accent with them?


                        Yes, of course we have an emphasis. For example ... when Lezgin speaks Azerbaijani, we immediately find out that he is Lezgin.
                        We have the city of Shyaki in the Northwest. When they speak Azerbaijani, we immediately find out that they are from Sheki.
                        Those who border Georgia also have an accent. They often use the word DANA after the verb)))))) Suppose GYAL DANA come here and the word DANA has no translation))))))
                        Talysh, this is southern Azerbaijan, they also have their own emphasis.
                        Central Azerbaijan and even there is an emphasis. Its specific.
                        The Karabakh people have their own accent.
                        But the Nakhchevans, in many words, replaced the letter H with the letter C. This is their emphasis.
                        Even the native Baku people have their own accent.
                      17. tekinoral
                        tekinoral 25 September 2012 17: 06
                        +2
                        honestly, I understand their beam, we also have a different emphasis on this and asked http://youtu.be/m1a1pEOZMl4
                      18. Ataturk
                        Ataturk 25 September 2012 17: 17
                        +2
                        Quote: tekinoral
                        honestly, I understand their beam, we also have a different emphasis on this and asked http://youtu.be/m1a1pEOZMl4

                        Azerbaijanis also live in Iran and Turks, and therefore they have not forgotten the language. Communicate.
                        But most of all I was surprised when Moldovans spoke my language. Gagauz.
                      19. Yarbay
                        Yarbay 25 September 2012 17: 28
                        +2
                        Quote: Ataturk
                        Gagauz.

                        Karachais too)))))))
                      20. tekinoral
                        tekinoral 25 September 2012 17: 28
                        +2
                        they are our brothers only Christians, like Karaites
                      21. Yarbay
                        Yarbay 25 September 2012 17: 34
                        +1
                        Quote: tekinoral
                        they are our brothers only Christians, like Karaites

                        In my opinion, Muslims!
                      22. Ataturk
                        Ataturk 25 September 2012 17: 40
                        +2
                        Quote: Yarbay
                        In my opinion, Muslims!

                        as far as I know, Gagauz Muslims.
                      23. Yarbay
                        Yarbay 25 September 2012 17: 48
                        +3
                        Quote: Ataturk
                        as far as I know, Gagauz Muslims.

                        most Christians!
                      24. Beck
                        Beck 25 September 2012 19: 27
                        0
                        Yarba.

                        Moreover, Orthodox. But the language is Turkic Oguz group.
                      25. Kamilla
                        Kamilla 25 September 2012 19: 27
                        +3
                        Quote: Ataturk
                        as far as I know, Gagauz Muslims


                        No, they are Orthodox.
                      26. tekinoral
                        tekinoral 25 September 2012 17: 48
                        +3
                        no Muslims, Karaites are also Turkic-speaking people, but they believe in Judaism
                      27. Yarbay
                        Yarbay 25 September 2012 17: 56
                        +2
                        Quote: tekinoral

                        no Muslims, Karaites are also Turkic-speaking people, but they believe in Judaism

                        I know about the Karaites, but I doubt about the Karachais!
                        I remember met them in Kislovodsk !!
                      28. tekinoral
                        tekinoral 25 September 2012 18: 17
                        +2
                        Karachais Muslims
                      29. Beck
                        Beck 25 September 2012 19: 33
                        0
                        Tekinoralu.

                        If for reference, you yourself may know.

                        Karaites are in the past a cross between Jews who moved to Khazaria from Iran and the Khazars themselves. So they left themselves the language of the Khazars, the faith of the Jews. Most of them, after the fall of the Khazars, lived in Crimea. It seems that Prince Vytautas relocated them to Lithuania, as the basis of light cavalry.
                      30. Yarbay
                        Yarbay 25 September 2012 18: 36
                        +4
                        Quote: Ataturk
                        DANA has no translation))

                        Well why))) ??
                        Dana is a representative of cattle)))))))))))))
                        Bull)))
                      31. tekinoral
                        tekinoral 25 September 2012 19: 06
                        +2
                        in our given calf
                      32. Ataturk
                        Ataturk 25 September 2012 19: 17
                        +2
                        Quote: tekinoral
                        in our given calf


                        shame on my gray head, in our opinion this is also a calf (((((
                      33. Bekzat
                        Bekzat 26 September 2012 00: 06
                        +2
                        And yet we are all Türks, I am from Kazakhs, Kipchaks. I met both Turks and Azerbaijanis at work, the language, more precisely, many words are very similar. In Kazakhstan, we consider our Kyrgyz relative to be close, the languages ​​are very similar.
                    2. nycsson
                      nycsson 25 September 2012 15: 19
                      0
                      Quote: Yarbay
                      By the way, Isaiah, I really did not know that Camille and Omar think so !!

                      Not only them! Not once read articles on this subject! Your Aliyev’s plans are Napoleonic .............. hi
                      Quote: Yarbay
                      I would not mind, only I understand that if this happens in the near future, it will be to the detriment of our country !!

                      And this will depend on your leadership! It depends on what role you play in the "showdown" with Iran!
                      1. Yarbay
                        Yarbay 25 September 2012 15: 25
                        +3
                        Quote: nycsson
                        Not only them! Not once read articles on this subject! Your Aliyev’s plans are Napoleonic .........

                        On the contrary, it is Aliyev and our government that are not so eager !!
                        Could you give me at least one article ?? It is advisable not for the Armenian author and not for Stanislav Tarsov !!
                        In any case, there will be sure a link to the authors I have named !!
                        This is just provocation!
                        And where did you see Aliyev’s plans ??
                      2. nycsson
                        nycsson 25 September 2012 16: 58
                        +1
                        Quote: Yarbay
                        And where did you see Aliyev’s plans ??

                        Of course I did not see them! I guess their essence! In relation to Karabakh and Iran!
                        Quote: Yarbay
                        Could you give me at least one article ?? It is advisable not for the Armenian author and not for Stanislav Tarsov !!

                        Well, inosmi publishes:
                        1.http: //www.inosmi.ru/caucasus/20120329/189321126.html True author Armenian!
                        2.http: //www.mgfedayi.info/2/3/1671/

                        US confirms plan to merge Iran with Azerbaijan BAKU, August 28.

                        The conviction of a number of experts that the United States is ready to annex the territories of northern Iran populated by ethnic Azerbaijanis to Azerbaijan in exchange for Baku’s participation in the military operation against Iran on the side of the West has found new confirmation.
                        Trend reports today that the US Department of State has confirmed receipt of a letter from Congressman Dan Rorobacher to Secretary of State Hillary Clinton regarding the need to support the struggle for the independence of South Azerbaijan from Iran and the possibility of unification with the Republic of Azerbaijan.
                        This was announced at a briefing by State Department spokeswoman Victoria Nuland. According to Nuland, the secretary of state answered the letter of the congressman, however, the details of the correspondence will not be announced.
                        "We stand for the observance of the principle of territorial integrity," Nuland said, answering a question from journalists about the likelihood of US support for the struggle for the independence of South Azerbaijan.
                        Recall that in the north of Iran, in the region centered in Tabriz, there are several times more ethnic Azerbaijanis than in Azerbaijan itself. Against the background of plans to divide Iran's territory into several states, the United States and Israel are increasingly talking about them as an "oppressed minority." However, Azerbaijanis are widely represented in the Iranian elite. Thus, the spiritual leader of Iran, Ayatollah Khamenei, is an ethnic Azeri.
                        For the first time, Iranian lands were called "South Azerbaijan" by parliament members in Baku earlier this year. This happened after the deterioration of relations between Tehran and Baku against the background of unprecedented supplies of Israeli military equipment and weapons to Azerbaijan and a sharp deterioration in bilateral relations. Thus, the Mejlis hinted at the possible annexation of part of its territory after the partition of Iran.
                        According to a number of British and Israeli media, Israel last year agreed to use Soviet airfields located in Azerbaijan near the border with Iran to refuel its air forces.
                        More details: http://www.rosbalt.ru/exussr/2012/08/28/1027390.html
                      3. Yarbay
                        Yarbay 25 September 2012 17: 15
                        +1
                        Quote: nycsson
                        True author Armenian!

                        Of course, an Armenian !!))
                        what I told you about))))))
                        Various events that are not related to each other are connected into one and here is a sensation))))
                        Quote: nycsson
                        the conviction of a number of experts is

                        I wonder who these experts are?))))))))
                        I am sure again the same Armenians and people close to them!
                        Quote: nycsson
                        The US Department of State confirmed receipt of a letter from Congressman Dan Rorobacher to Secretary of State Hillary Clinton regarding the need to support the struggle for the independence of South Azerbaijan from Iran and the possibility of unification with the Republic of Azerbaijan.

                        What is more, Aliyev and the Azerbaijani government itself? A clear attempt at provocation against the background of deteriorating relations connected with the arrest of two young poets accused of alleged ** crimes * but after the decisive interference of the Azerbaijani Foreign Ministry !!
                        Quote: nycsson
                        This was announced at a briefing by State Department spokeswoman Victoria Nuland. According to Nuland, the secretary of state answered the letter of the congressman, however, the details of the correspondence will not be announced.
                        "We advocate respect for the principle of territorial integrity," Nuland said.

                        Isn't the answer clear ??
                        Is there ambiguity ??
                        Quote: nycsson
                        So, the spiritual leader of Iran, Ayatollah Khamenei, is an ethnic Azerbaijani.

                        Ayatollah Khamenei is not an ethnic Azerbaijani!
                        In his speeches, he calls himself an Arab!
                        Once in his speech he said that one of his grandfathers was a Turk!
                        Quote: nycsson
                        For the first time, Iranian lands were called "South Azerbaijan" by parliament members in Baku at the beginning of this year.

                        Have you ever wondered why ???
                        There were rallies organized by Iran in Iran against Eurovision and where Azerbaijanis were insulted, as well as the elite of Iran raised a howl about hijabs in schools !!
                        You need to know when they said what and for what !!
                        The question there was not only the Israeli weapons !!
                        Consider what Zhirinovsky said about Ukraine, something !!
                        Quote: nycsson
                        Thus, the Mejlis hinted at the possible accession of part of its territory after the partition of Iran.

                        How did the speech of one deputy become a hint of the entire Mejilis ???
                        Quote: nycsson
                        According to a number of British and Israeli media, Israel last year agreed to use Soviet airfields located in Azerbaijan near the border with Iran to refuel its air forces.
                        Taken from a single source, reprinted and unverified by anyone !!
                        Do you now see how people are being manipulated ??
                      4. nycsson
                        nycsson 25 September 2012 18: 36
                        +1
                        Quote: Yarbay
                        Taken from a single source, reprinted and unverified by anyone !!

                        Well I do not know! I do not presume to judge! Maybe you are right. Time will tell. I read a lot of articles on this topic! I want to say that all this has a basis. And the comments of Camille and Omar, a lot of talk about! At least for myself, I made certain conclusions whether they are right or not, time will tell.
                        Before this article, I did not know that you and Iran have such friction! From the whole flow of information I draw a reasonable conclusion that for Azerbaijan the fall of Iran is just a fairy tale! And then, you can "fantasize" as you like! This is for Iran. Well, with Karabakh, everything is clear anyway! hi
                      5. Yarbay
                        Yarbay 25 September 2012 18: 51
                        +3
                        Quote: nycsson
                        I want to say that all this has a basis

                        here you are again about yours))))))))))))
                        Where is the soil ??))))
                        In * expert * views of Armenians and people close to them ??))
                        Quote: nycsson
                        From the entire flow of information, I make a reasonable conclusion that for Azerbaijan, the fall of Iran is just a fairy tale

                        Of course, with the fall of this criminal regime, the solution to our problem will be faster !!
                      6. nycsson
                        nycsson 25 September 2012 20: 30
                        +2
                        Quote: Yarbay
                        here you are again about your

                        And you about yours!
                        Quote: Yarbay
                        Where is the soil ??)))

                        Everywhere! Enough of Camila and Omar! Not to mention other information. Just as you continue to insist on your own, not paying attention to obvious facts, others have long agreed with me! And say I'm stubborn!
                        Quote: Yarbay
                        In * expert * views of Armenians and people close to them ??

                        Not only them! Infa is full! It is only necessary to score in a search engine!
                        Quote: Yarbay
                        Of course, with the fall of this criminal regime, the solution to our problem will be faster !!

                        Vooooooooooooooooooooooot !!! More confirmation of this !!! hi
                      7. Yarbay
                        Yarbay 26 September 2012 14: 51
                        +1
                        Quote: nycsson
                        Vooooooooooooooooooooooot !!! More confirmation of this !!!

                        Once again, you confuse the attitude to the regime with the attitude to the territorial integrity of the state!
                      8. Yeraz
                        Yeraz 25 September 2012 19: 52
                        +4
                        Quote: nycsson
                        Not only them! N

                        That's right. Add me more)
                        Quote: nycsson
                        Your Aliyev’s plans are Napoleonic ..............

                        And here you bro were mistaken. The Aliyev regime is panicky afraid of this reunion.
                        South Azerbaijanis are extremely religious Shiites. And Aliyev is not popular among many Azerbaijanis of the north, well, with the exception of Yarbaya and his associates) and among the south and even more) It is enough to look at the neckline and mini of his wife and daughters))
                      9. Yarbay
                        Yarbay 25 September 2012 20: 21
                        +2
                        Quote: Yeraz
                        South Azerbaijanis are extremely religious Shiites. And Aliyev is not popular among many Azerbaijanis of the north, well, with the exception of Yarbaya and his associates) and among the south and even more) It is enough to look at the neckline and mini of his wife and daughters))

                        Really ???)))
                        And where are your associates ???
                        You know, do not drive the blizzard !!
                        Aliyev is not a banknote to please everyone !!
                        I support his foreign policy, partly domestic and everything he does to strengthen the homeland and our armed forces!
                        And who many Azerbaijanis do not support Aliyev ?? you ??
                        Are you probably the one who supports Elchibey ??
                        We have already seen what such a country has led to !!
                      10. Yeraz
                        Yeraz 25 September 2012 21: 02
                        +5
                        Quote: Yarbay
                        Really ???)))

                        Yes!
                        Quote: Yarbay
                        You know, do not drive the blizzard !!

                        Alibek do not cross the border.
                        Quote: Yarbay
                        Aliyev is not a banknote to please everyone !!

                        Yes, he is the owner of these banknotes.
                        Quote: Yarbay
                        I support his foreign policy, partly domestic

                        Well, support further)) Are you forbidden to che?
                        Quote: Yarbay
                        all that he does to strengthen the homeland and our armed forces!

                        I am rephrasing to maintain and strengthen my clan and associates. I don’t need to prove who this person is. In any other country, when more than 50 soldiers die in a year and the majority in non-combat losses and suicides are allegedly unregulated, it’s not like the defense minister of the president himself together we would have dispersed the party, and we have anarchy. Askeys (soldiers) are like pieces of paper from chocolates !!! The blood of our martyrs is on his conscience.
                        Quote: Yarbay
                        And who many Azerbaijanis do not support Aliyev ?? you ??

                        Many !! But in authoritarian regimes, everyone will swear in love to him is a minus. It's a minus of these modes it is difficult to determine who hates you. Unlike those who are not in words but in support, in fact, their heads will fly first when they come to an end mode.
                        Quote: Yarbay
                        Are you probably the one who supports Elchibey ??

                        I support Elchibey as a person. He would have approached the post of Minister of Culture soon)
                        Quote: Yarbay
                        We have already seen what such a country has led to !!

                        We also saw that with the advent of Heydar Aliyev during the year we lost almost all areas around Nagorno-Karabakh. Our country saw how to transfer power from father to son and much more.
                      11. Kamilla
                        Kamilla 25 September 2012 21: 16
                        +2
                        Quote: Yeraz
                        I support Elchibey as a person. He would have approached the post of Minister of Culture soon)


                        I hope you are joking ... ???? belay
                      12. Yeraz
                        Yeraz 25 September 2012 21: 44
                        +2
                        Quote: Kamilla
                        I hope you are joking ... ????

                        And in what part do you mean? Because of support as a person or as a minister of culture?))
                      13. Yeraz
                        Yeraz 25 September 2012 21: 49
                        +3
                        Well, and who put me cons? Purely for fun.
                      14. Kamilla
                        Kamilla 25 September 2012 22: 00
                        +3
                        Quote: Yeraz
                        Well, and who put me cons? Purely for fun.


                        I don’t put our cons ... so they don’t write ... if you don’t notice, I’m just a plus.
                      15. Yeraz
                        Yeraz 25 September 2012 22: 49
                        +4
                        It’s not myself that I rarely put the pros and cons. Only when it really catches. Often I want to put Omar well, stupidly, I don’t have time to comment on him and often I can’t sit here)
                      16. Yeraz
                        Yeraz 25 September 2012 23: 12
                        +3
                        And some kind of rat puts everything)
                      17. nycsson
                        nycsson 26 September 2012 08: 55
                        -1
                        Kamilla,
                        And not ours ??? bully
                      18. Kamilla
                        Kamilla 25 September 2012 21: 59
                        +3
                        Quote: Yeraz
                        And in what part do you mean? Because of support as a person or as a minister of culture?))


                        like, the Minister of Culture of course ... as a person, I heard, was not bad ... but, weak as a leader .... plus his addiction to alcohol ... yes, and in general, he was disgraced in the end. .. his entourage was ugly ... at least take the prime minister (who was the former devil of the Satan) ... who ran around the cabinet of ministers ... and looked for entry .. ((((I won’t translate .. this is for ours. ...
                      19. Yeraz
                        Yeraz 25 September 2012 22: 47
                        +4
                        Quote: Kamilla
                        like, Minister of Culture of course.

                        just for this he came up. he was a mad patriot of our country. but alas, being a patriot is not enough. He as a leader was weak, too trusting and naive and the vile environment used this. And his qualities are what the Minister of Culture needs)
                      20. Kamilla
                        Kamilla 26 September 2012 22: 01
                        +1


                        the Minister of Culture ... must be a creative person ... a cultured person, and a cultured person will not choose the environment he chose ... Elchibey did not fit this position ... he was a good teacher ... patriot, I agree. ..but too weak ... mired in his vices .. ((
                      21. tekinoral
                        tekinoral 25 September 2012 23: 40
                        +3
                        Kamilla his ideas in Turkey were also appreciated, and I know the Azerbaijanis who still respect him very much, and what kind of leader of the country he was, you know better
                      22. Yarbay
                        Yarbay 26 September 2012 14: 10
                        +1
                        Quote: tekinoral
                        Kamilla his ideas in Turkey were also appreciated, and I know the Azerbaijanis who still respect him very much, and what kind of leader of the country he was, you know better

                        Drunk !!
                      23. Yeraz
                        Yeraz 26 September 2012 20: 57
                        +2
                        Quote: Yarbay
                        Drunk !!

                        He was a patriot of his country, unlike the CARTERGER AND Aliyev !!!!
                      24. Yarbay
                        Yarbay 26 September 2012 21: 08
                        +1
                        Quote: Yeraz
                        He was a patriot of his country, unlike the CARTERGER AND Aliyev !!!!
                        Patriot !! ???
                        He was not a patriot, was a weak-willed alcoholic demagogue !!
                        Did you play CARDS with him ????
                      25. Yeraz
                        Yeraz 27 September 2012 19: 26
                        +5
                        Quote: Yarbay
                        Patriot !! ???

                        Was)
                        Quote: Yarbay
                        Did you play CARDS with him ????

                        no, but the whole republic knew about it, and why the casinos closed in Baku unexpectedly, the scandals with Turkish businessmen that they brought up because of Ilhamchik's debts.
                        Have you been drinking with Elchibey?

                        ps somehow my teacher Colonel Tatar asked us Azerbaijanis in the group, and yours is still playing)))
                      26. nycsson
                        nycsson 25 September 2012 20: 34
                        0
                        Quote: Yeraz
                        And here you bro were mistaken. The Aliyev regime is panicky afraid of this reunion.

                        I do not agree!
                        Quote: Yeraz
                        South Azerbaijanis are extremely religious Shiites. And Aliyev is not popular among many Azerbaijanis of the north, well, with the exception of Yarbaya and his associates) and among the south and even more) It is enough to look at the neckline and mini of his wife and daughters))

                        Explain your thoughts! I do not catch the connection!
                      27. Yeraz
                        Yeraz 25 September 2012 21: 11
                        +5
                        Quote: nycsson
                        Explain your thoughts! I do not catch the connection!

                        I will explain the Azerbaijanis in this state of communism, we are disappointed, in the west too. And now where is between Islam and something secular. And people are looking for themselves.
                        in the north they don’t like him for total corruption for the injustice and infringement of his people and complete impunity. South Azerbaijanis are much more religious and the secularism of the Aliyevs will be added to those problems that the north does not suit. Well, excuse me for an Azerbaijanian to look wildly and ashamed to see the first lady of Muslim Azerbaijan walk in a mini and deep neckline. It’s wrong this is the face of the country !!! Putin’s and Sargsyan’s wife are not allowed such a thing !!! Well, maybe our objection is much more beautiful than Putin’s and Serge’s wives, sorry if this is a reason to dress me even I don’t want to talk to this person.
                        South Azerbaijanis will make the north more Islamic. And Aliyev will not stay there because they are at least 2 times more this time and secondly it will be a convenient occasion for the northerners to remove him and his clan. And believe such a lot.
                      28. nycsson
                        nycsson 26 September 2012 08: 59
                        0
                        Quote: Yeraz
                        And believe such oh how many.

                        Thanks! And I thought you had a national hero !? hi
                      29. Yeraz
                        Yeraz 26 September 2012 20: 59
                        +4
                        Quote: nycsson
                        Thanks! And I thought you had a national hero !?

                        this is far from the case))) his power is held only thanks to oil and the fact that he is profitable to everyone outside of Azerbaijan. The main thing is that oil is quietly pumped to the West)
                        Moreover, there is total surveillance of the population. If you were in Azerbaijan and they asked me about I. Aliyev, I would praise him and write about him on the Internet only that how happy my people are that Allah sent such a ruler to him) But there I tried do not discuss it at all)
                        But I’m not there, I don’t have many close relatives there, the family’s business is not there either, so I can afford it. So I understand in a sense people are afraid of them.
                        I’ll give an example I don’t know whether I wrote here earlier or not. When I served there and we waited for the Georgian president to arrive, we all stood at our posts and one granny came up to me and started saying how long you were standing here?
                        I’m here already 7 hours.
                        SHE asks who is going?
                        I say the President of Georgia.
                        SHE so that his feet fall off our poor guys are standing here in the cold waiting for him.
                        I hey grandmother, the president of Georgia comes to us once a year, and we are waiting for our president every day like that.
                        She immediately changed her face and started saying that we have a wonderful president, I’m ready to give my life for him, may Allah protect him.
                        Of course, I began to say yes, you’re right, but I almost died with my laughter. People are so afraid that it’s a complete kryndets. And I won’t be surprised if he himself believes that everyone loves him. Everything around is a lie and a lie because people are afraid to express opinion, because you can be in near places.
                      30. Yeraz
                        Yeraz 26 September 2012 23: 21
                        +4
                        Ah jackals who put the cons. I even guess what kind of gang it is. But I tell you, put your cons in one place. Generals are high-profile children.
                      31. tekinoral
                        tekinoral 25 September 2012 21: 15
                        +2
                        they are extremely religious and for the regime, be a different regime, I think young people will quickly be more moderate
                      32. Yeraz
                        Yeraz 25 September 2012 21: 21
                        +6
                        Yes, they are moderate, why should the religious be necessarily a radical ?? They live according to Sharia. And we live according to the constitution and laws that apply to people, but not to people with a big wallet. Our adates distort and instill Western crap, and Islam stupidly crush or keep in check. I want Azerbaijan to soon return to normal. Believe me, the more Islam they keep, they’ll suppress them somewhere so that it doesn’t seem enough. And then there will be radical Islam. This trend is in the republic.
                      33. tekinoral
                        tekinoral 25 September 2012 21: 24
                        +2
                        very many there also do not want to live according to Sharia, but such a regime is forced
                      34. Yeraz
                        Yeraz 25 September 2012 21: 43
                        +3
                        I’m not for living according to Sharia. And living according to the Adat according to the laws in force. Full democracy is anarchy. Is there some kind of pedophile why should he be in prison ?? He must be cruelly executed !! Why can a Muslim woman go to or openly? Such people are drowned in the Caspian. Adatas and norms of Islam !! That's all. Everything else is anarchy and degradation of the nation !!!
                      35. nycsson
                        nycsson 26 September 2012 09: 01
                        +1
                        Quote: Yeraz
                        Some kind of pedophile, why should he be in prison ?? He must be brutally executed !!

                        Gold words! These ghouls are not only in prison, but also spend state. facilities! Smear your forehead with greens, that's all!
                      36. Ataturk
                        Ataturk 26 September 2012 10: 17
                        +3
                        Quote: Yeraz
                        And Aliyev is not popular among many Azerbaijanis of the north, well, with the exception of Yarbaya and his associates)


                        You know Stalin, too, many hated, but in the end? So break through.
                      37. Yeraz
                        Yeraz 26 September 2012 21: 01
                        +4
                        Quote: Ataturk
                        You know Stalin, too, many hated, but in the end?

                        Millions killed and repressed)
                        And it’s incorrect to compare them. Stalin himself came to power with his own labor, and did not inherit everything) And by the way, I hope you don’t have to remind how Stalin died)
                    3. Kamilla
                      Kamilla 25 September 2012 20: 06
                      +5
                      Quote: Yarbay
                      And it is not known who will steer in such a country!


                      Yes, of course, the struggle will begin.


                      Quote: Yarbay
                      And generally unpredictable where to slide !!


                      this will happen if we lose ..
                      1. nycsson
                        nycsson 26 September 2012 09: 03
                        0
                        Quote: Kamilla
                        Yes, of course, the struggle will begin.

                        And you, as I look, not everything is going smoothly !?

                        Quote: Kamilla
                        this will happen if we lose ..

                        In which direction? In Karabakh or Iranian?
                  2. nycsson
                    nycsson 25 September 2012 15: 14
                    0
                    Quote: Kamilla
                    and I, for joining! we must return our lands ... and the territory should be what it was under Uzun-Hassan ...! under the Safavids ...!

                    Here from this moment on in more detail! And many of you share your point of view ???
                    1. Ataturk
                      Ataturk 25 September 2012 15: 35
                      +6
                      Quote: nycsson
                      Here from this moment on in more detail!

                      In order to understand Camila Khanum, you need to find out who she is.
                      I can’t reveal all the cards, but I’ll say who her ancestor is.
                      I'll tell you about her ancestor. She is a direct descendant of this man.

                      Founder of the Karabakh Khanate, the well-known commander and statesman Panahali bey Sarydzhaly Dzhevanshir, was born in a noble family of the Djevanshirov family in Karabakh.

                      In Karabakh, Panah Khan in a bitter struggle with local emirs and Meliks opposing the centralization of power creates the Karabakh khanate. The Karabakh-Ganja Beglyarbekstvo, founded in 1551 by a family of the Djevanshirov family in Karabakh.

                      According to historian Mirza Jamal, Haji Celebi Khan, leaving said: "Panakh Khan was a khan. We came, fought with him and could not defeat him. We are returning, making him shah.". Subsequently, Panah Khan builds a new metropolitan fortress in the town of Shahbulag, not far from modern Agdam and continues to unite and expand at the expense of neighboring khanates of the land of Karabakh. The authority of Panah Khan is growing. Sheki, Ganja, Yerevan, Tabriz and Karadag khans are looking for alliance and friendship with him.

                      Panakh Khan has far-reaching plans, but for their fulfillment he must be calm about his family and the treasury, and he decides to build a third fortress for the capital, this time completely impregnable. The place for the fortress is chosen by experts invited from different places. In 1750, in a dense forest surrounded by rocks, a fortress was laid, originally named after Panakh Khan by Panakhabad, and then after the neighboring village of Shushoi. For the construction of fortress walls and the city, architects and builders are imported from all over Azerbaijan; residents of neighboring villages move to the new capital. The khan's palace, mosques, baths and, finally, a mint are being built. Coins of the "Panahabadi" Karabakh Khanate are minted here. Coins are in circulation in all Azerbaijani khanates and in Iran along with other coins.
                      1. Ataturk
                        Ataturk 25 September 2012 15: 44
                        +3
                        That is, nycsson, I can firmly tell you that her personality and her personality
                        families are much higher than I can imagine. If you knew who
                        her parents, you wouldn’t ask these questions, but I can’t say accordingly.
                        One thing I can say, her parents, the standard of aristocracy and humanity. She and her
                        relatives, have excellent education, upbringing and culture. She is an ardent patriot
                        her country, she, like no other, knows what it is like when your house is taken away,
                        and even kill your citizens. She knows what the Persians are. Who
                        such Persians I will tell you. Persians and Armenians are the same faces. Faith only
                        they have different. Which they acknowledge to our government officials. Exactly
                        from the city of MARAGA, in Persia, the Armenians were settled on our lands about 220-250 years ago.



                        Monument "Maragha-150", erected in 1978 in Karabakh in honor of resettlement of the first Armenians in Karabakh 150 years ago (that is, since 1828). In 1988 the inscription "Maraga-150" was destroyed, and the monument itself was redesigned. So the Armenians tried to erase the tracesbut you won’t erase photos from the state fund ...



                        My question is, imagine yourself in Camila’s place, what would you do?
                      2. nycsson
                        nycsson 25 September 2012 17: 02
                        +1
                        Quote: Ataturk
                        My question is, imagine yourself in Camila’s place, what would you do?

                        I would listen to the mind!
                      3. Yarbay
                        Yarbay 25 September 2012 17: 18
                        +3
                        Quote: nycsson
                        I would listen to the mind!

                        like in 41 year?
                      4. nycsson
                        nycsson 25 September 2012 18: 40
                        0
                        Quote: Yarbay
                        like in 41 year?

                        Explain ............. In 41 there was an aggression of pure water! There are two completely different situations!
                      5. Yarbay
                        Yarbay 25 September 2012 18: 48
                        +1
                        Quote: nycsson
                        Explain ............. In 41 there was an aggression of pure water! There are two completely different situations!

                        We are precisely the victims of the same aggression !!
                      6. nycsson
                        nycsson 25 September 2012 20: 39
                        +1
                        Quote: Yarbay
                        We are precisely the victims of the same aggression !!

                        I knew you would answer that! As far as I imagine the situation, the population of Karabakh is mainly Armenians and they did not want to live in Azerbaijan! Absolutely different things! Did Karabakh attack Azerbaijan ??? He just wanted independence !!! The situation with Chechnya is one to one!
                      7. Yarbay
                        Yarbay 25 September 2012 20: 52
                        +2
                        Quote: nycsson
                        I knew you would answer that! As far as I imagine the situation, the population of Karabakh is mainly Armenians and they did not want to live in Azerbaijan! Absolutely different things! Did Karabakh attack Azerbaijan ??? He just wanted independence !!! The situation with Chechnya is one to one!

                        Quote: nycsson
                        I knew you would answer that! As far as I imagine the situation, the population of Karabakh is mainly Armenians and they did not want to live in Azerbaijan! Absolutely different things! Did Karabakh attack Azerbaijan ??? He just wanted independence !!! The situation with Chechnya is one to one!

                        Your opinion is completely wrong !!
                        It all started first with the expulsion of hundreds of thousands of Azerbaijanis from Armenia !!
                        Then attempts to expel Azerbaijanis from Karabakh !! Attacks on Azerbaijani villages, killings of people and government officials !!
                        Terrorists arrived from all over the world, a huge amount of weapons !!
                        And this is not aggression ??
                        What do you mean did not want to live in Azerbaijan ??
                        They didn’t want a tablecloth to go where they wanted to live !!
                        Killing civilians and driving them out of their homes wanted independence ??? exploding regular buses and helicopters ?? Killing women and children?
                        There is no similarity with Chechnya even !!
                        Chechens lived for centuries on their land!
                        Armenians are newcomers, there is a photo of the monument upstairs, where you can see when they arrived !!
                        They conquered Chechnya, and Russia placed Armenians on our land !!
                      8. Karish
                        Karish 25 September 2012 21: 48
                        +4
                        Quote: Yarbay
                        Chechens lived for centuries on their land!
                        Armenians are newcomers, there is a photo of the monument upstairs, where you can see when they arrived !!
                        They conquered Chechnya, and Russia placed Armenians on our land !!

                        Hi Alibek, I think you climb into the jungle from which it’s hard to get out and demagogues will drive you into a corner.
                        There is one principle - Karabakh - the territory of Azerbaijan and let Armenians or aliens from Alpha Centauri live there. They want to identify themselves (nationally) Please, either as part of Azerbaijan or forward, 100 km west to Armenia. Or a rocket and to Alpha Centauri. Principe of inviolability of borders is a guarantee of the absence of armed conflicts. What do you want? Well, what about the Armenians. Armenia - a mono-state - forward there, and in the neighborhood with other nationalities you can live in peace and speak your own language and develop your culture. What prevented them from being part of Azerbaijan?
                      9. Kamilla
                        Kamilla 25 September 2012 22: 11
                        +3
                        All right, dear Alexander !! You are a big plus !! Thank! drinks good

                        that's it ... what bothered them ??? yes, there, everything was written in Armenian! .. they managed to write, let’s say, the party’s district committee ... Arm. SSR .. imagine ?? and everything got away with them ...! they had the best security in the republic! sat on the posts! in Baku, in the best apartments, in the city center lived ..! so here.
                      10. Neutral
                        Neutral 26 September 2012 11: 10
                        -4
                        What kind of new principle is this:
                        Principles of not breaking borders


                        Something like Azerbaijani "territorial integrity"?

                        They want to identify themselves
                        - Armenians have never had problems with identification. This is called the "Right of Nations to Self-Determination".
                      11. Ataturk
                        Ataturk 26 September 2012 11: 15
                        +1
                        Quote: Neutral
                        then what kind of new principle is this:


                        Russian at the level, YOU must learn. FORPOST !!!!
                        and then seeing how they write in Russian, I want to cry.
                      12. Neutral
                        Neutral 26 September 2012 11: 21
                        0
                        Read the post above Karisha.
                        From there and the prince)))
                        And you started talking in poetry)))))
                        Russian at the level, YOU must learn

                        Are you worried?
                      13. Ataturk
                        Ataturk 26 September 2012 11: 29
                        +3
                        Quote: Neutral
                        Are you worried?


                        I am a citizen independent country. And you ran away from your "GREAT MOTHERLAND"

                        I speak 5 languages ​​- and your fellow tribesmen in Armenia, except for Armenian, do not know any other language in their entire mass. The forum is evidence of this.

                        I am educated - I won’t say about yours who robbed all of Europe. It will be necessary to prove.

                        We have a strong army, we buy everything for money and our president does not run around the world with outstretched hands.

                        My country is not an outpost!

                        Our women in Armenia do not eat prostitution, and your shouting Turks are enemies, they flee to Turkey as they are inhabited.

                        In our country, everything is ours and you have everything Russian.

                        You say we’ll start a war and we don’t hope for anyone, and you always, US will save the CSTO. Warmly Armenian under the skirt of Mother Russia?

                        So who should worry?
                      14. Neutral
                        Neutral 26 September 2012 11: 32
                        -2
                        So start the war already.
                        And that’s all: we say, we that, we this.
                        If you speak five dialects of Azerbaijani)))))), this does not mean that you know five languages.
                        Your women go to the UAE, they pay more there.
                        So don’t worry.
                        God forbid, the time will come, by deed you will prove how educated and brave you are.
                      15. Ataturk
                        Ataturk 26 September 2012 11: 36
                        +4
                        Quote: Neutral
                        So start the war already.


                        And what about the world now?

                        Quote: Neutral
                        Your women go to the UAE, they pay more there.


                        It’s not good to give to oneself. The main thing is not to go to Armenia. And so survive.

                        Quote: Neutral
                        God forbid, the time will come, by deed you will prove how educated and brave you are.


                        http://gdb.rferl.org/30D10E2A-3829-4AF2-930E-07CA063ABDEF_mw800_s.jpg

                        think now.
                      16. nycsson
                        nycsson 26 September 2012 09: 09
                        -1
                        Quote: Yarbay
                        Your opinion is completely wrong !!

                        Attention!
                        Quote: Yarbay
                        It all started first with the expulsion of hundreds of thousands of Azerbaijanis from Armenia !!
                        Then attempts to expel Azerbaijanis from Karabakh !! Attacks on Azerbaijani villages, killings of people and government officials !!

                        Well, you had to defend yourself!
                        Quote: Yarbay
                        And this is not aggression ??

                        This is an internal conflict!
                        Quote: Yarbay
                        Killing civilians and driving them out of their homes wanted independence ??? exploding regular buses and helicopters ?? Killing women and children?
                        There is no similarity with Chechnya even !!

                        One to one! They acted like that too!
                        Quote: Yarbay
                        Chechens lived for centuries on their land!
                        Armenians are newcomers, there is a photo of the monument upstairs, where you can see when they arrived !!
                        They conquered Chechnya, and Russia placed Armenians on our land !!

                        This is another question!
                      17. Yarbay
                        Yarbay 26 September 2012 14: 19
                        +2
                        Quote: nycsson

                        Well, you had to defend yourself!

                        But what is there to defend ourselves if even hunting weapons are seized from our population ??
                        So we defended ourselves as best we could in that situation !!
                        Quote: nycsson
                        This is an internal conflict!

                        How was the Armenian SSR our territory, did bandits and weapons arrive from there ?? Until now, the armed forces of Armenia have been involved in Karabakh in the most active way since the first day!
                        Syria Lebanon where did the terrorists come from, was it Azerbaijan?
                        In the units located in Armenia and in Nagorno-Karabakh, the personnel was mainly staffed by Armenians! The current Minister of Defense and the bloody executioner served in the 366th regiment and many others !!
                      18. nycsson
                        nycsson 26 September 2012 15: 01
                        0
                        Quote: Yarbay
                        But what is there to defend ourselves if even hunting weapons are seized from our population ??
                        So we defended ourselves as best we could in that situation !!

                        They don’t wave their fists after the fight!
                      19. Yarbay
                        Yarbay 26 September 2012 21: 23
                        +2
                        Quote: nycsson
                        They don’t wave their fists after the fight!

                        You see, you are inattentively reading me))))
                        And who said that the fight is over?)))
                        The fight is not over yet)))))))))))))
                        She God forbid to continue soon !!))
                        The sooner the better for me !!!
                      20. Neutral
                        Neutral 26 September 2012 11: 15
                        -2
                        Your opinion is completely wrong, Alibek.
                        from the expulsion of hundreds of thousands of Azerbaijanis from Armenia!

                        Why not millions? or billions?
                        Attacks on Azerbaijani villages, killings of people and government officials

                        Are you talking about Operation Ring? So there, they tried to expel the Armenians.
                        Terrorists arrived from all over the world, a huge amount of weapons !!

                        Are you talking about Basayev, Afghan Mujahideen and:

                        Most of the troops of the former Soviet Army in the Caucasus were deployed in Azerbaijan. As a result of the division of Soviet military property, the 4th Combined Arms Army (four motorized rifle divisions), three air defense brigades, a special-purpose brigade, four air force bases and part of the Caspian Sea Flotilla came under control of Baku. In addition, Azerbaijan got all the ammunition depots (strategic in Kilazi, district in Agdam and Pump, divisions in Gyuzdek, Ganja, Lenkoran, Nakhichevan). The total amount of ammunition in these depots is estimated at 11 wagons. The transfer of property of the 000th Army and the 4th arsenal to Baku was completed in 49.

                        The withdrawal of the remaining parts of the former Soviet Army to Russia was accompanied by the seizure of part of their weapons by the Azerbaijani side. Among the most significant are the looting of military property of the 19th Air Defense Army.

                        In 1992, Armenian armed forces seized part of the armaments of the 366th motorized rifle regiment of the 23rd motorized division of the 4th army in Nagorno-Karabakh, which came under the control of Azerbaijan.

                        In Armenia, the division of the military property of the former ZakVO was the most civilized. Of all the Transcaucasian states, when dividing military property, Armenia was in the most disadvantaged position, since the smallest number of troops of the Transcaucasian military district was on its territory. In 1992, the arms and military equipment of two of the three divisions (15th and 164th) of the 7th combined arms army of the former USSR were transferred under the control of Yerevan. If we talk about ammunition, then about 500 wagons departed for Armenia.

                        Armenians are newcomers, blah blah blah.
                        Once the aggressor got a lyule.
                        Apparently a little.
                        He wants one more time.
                        Well. As it has already been written more than once "you are welcome."
                      21. kNow
                        kNow 26 September 2012 11: 50
                        +4
                        Quote: Neutral
                        Why not millions? or billions?

                        this is not the number of genocidal Armenians
                      22. Kamilla
                        Kamilla 25 September 2012 21: 36
                        +3
                        Quote: nycsson
                        then the population of Karabakh is mainly Armenians and they did not want to live in Azerbaijan


                        no, not only Armenians lived there ... and if, speaking of the nation’s right to self-determination and the will of the minority .... why didn’t the opinion of Azerbaijanis in Karabakh be taken into account ??? !!! did not want to live ??? perfectly !! it was necessary, then the leadership, and the union and ours, to find out how many buses they need to reunite with their mother Armenia, and not tsatski to play with them!



                        Quote: nycsson
                        Did Karabakh attack Azerbaijan ???


                        excuse me, of course, but this is babble ... no, I didn’t attack ... they just started expelling Azerbaijanis from Armenia ... from Karabakh, provocations ... the first killings of civilians ... it all started on the Armenian side !!!


                        Quote: nycsson
                        He just wanted independence !!!


                        nothing just happens ... you know yourself.
                      23. nycsson
                        nycsson 26 September 2012 09: 17
                        0
                        Quote: Kamilla
                        excuse me, of course, but this is babble ... no, I didn’t attack ... they just started expelling Azerbaijanis from Armenia ... from Karabakh, provocations ... the first killings of civilians ... it all started on the Armenian side !!!

                        Do not think, I do not protect them! Especially since I was not there during those terrible events!
                        Quote: Kamilla
                        not tsatski play with them!

                        It was necessary .......... Since then, a lot of water has flowed! I do not argue, maybe the truth is yours, but the situation in the world has changed a long time ago, especially at your borders! You should weigh everything well and not make mistakes!
                        Quote: Kamilla
                        nothing just happens ... you know yourself.

                        It is obvious!
                      24. Neutral
                        Neutral 26 September 2012 11: 06
                        -3
                        then why was the opinion of Azerbaijanis in Karabakh not taken into account ??? !!!


                        Did they have an opinion?
                      25. Kamilla
                        Kamilla 25 September 2012 21: 08
                        +3
                        Quote: nycsson
                        I would listen to the mind!


                        and what does your mind tell you? to me, for example, to return our lands, internally displaced persons to their lands .... rebuild everything destroyed, rebuild !!! .... one, Agdam, completely destroyed! and how much is destroyed .. (((((((((((how much (((((so, there is a lot of work ahead of us .... so.
                      26. nycsson
                        nycsson 26 September 2012 08: 38
                        0
                        Quote: Kamilla
                        and what does your mind tell you?

                        Seven times measure cut once! We say so!
                        Quote: Kamilla
                        me, for example, to return our lands, internally displaced persons to their lands .... rebuild everything destroyed, rebuild !!! ....

                        This is not the mind! It's like a bull and a red rag! Reason is when everything is weighed properly, all options and consequences are calculated during their execution, etc.
                        And in you personally it is not reason that speaks, but hatred, anger and resentment! What reason are you talking about?
                        Quote: Kamilla
                        .one, Agdam, completely destroyed! and how much is destroyed .. (((((((((((how much (((((so, there is a lot of work ahead of us .... so.

                        Well, is that really the mind? This is a thirst for revenge! hi
                      27. Beck
                        Beck 26 September 2012 10: 11
                        -1
                        Nixon, Yarbai, Ataturk, Neutral.

                        The Karabakh problem is a big problem. If you always remember the past, even the righteous, even the unrighteous, but mostly remember the unrighteous, there will be no road to the future.

                        Without war, grief, devastation, maternal and children's tears, Karabakh cannot be returned. Without war, grief, devastation, maternal and children's tears, Karabakh cannot be defended.

                        Azerbaijan has Nakhichevan, separated from Azerbaijan by Armenian territory. And it causes the corresponding difficulties.

                        Given the current positions of Armenia and Azerbaijan - ALL or NOTHING Karabakh problem can not be solved.

                        My personal opinion and my vision. Karabakh must be divided. With concessions back and forth, but divided. Assume equally. Then Armenia will cede part of its land between Nihichevan and Azerbaijan to Azerbaijanis. The Armenians compensate for these lands with some part of the already divided Karabakh. Nakhichevan will cease to be an enclave, geographically unite with Azerbaijan.

                        I think one cannot do without this. If you choose Azerbaijan between NOTHING and HALF, then the choice is probably clear. If you choose Armenia between HALF and WAR with the loss of everything, then the choice is probably also clear.

                        I emphasize again, this is only my opinion.
                      28. Ataturk
                        Ataturk 26 September 2012 10: 37
                        +3
                        Quote: Beck
                        If you always remember the past, even the righteous, even the unrighteous, but mostly remember the unrighteous, there will be no road to the future.


                        From the time of its creation to this day, both past and present, this land belongs only to Azerbaijan. Even its name.


                        Quote: Beck
                        Azerbaijan has Nakhichevan, separated from Azerbaijan by Armenian territory.


                        What? Sorry, I didn’t understand what you wrote? Nakhchivan whose territory?
                        Say this in Baku, you will be cut into pieces. This is originally an Azerbaijani land. Never say this anywhere. Azerbaijanis lived there for centuries. Armenia was not in the Caucasus. Never!
                        You please choose the words !!!

                        Quote: Beck
                        My personal opinion and my vision. Karabakh must be divided.

                        Let's do it, you better worry about Kazakhstan, which for a couple of years will completely lose its identity, and we will figure it out ourselves.

                        You wrote yesterday that you were rudely answered by a spender, I am in a very good mood, after your words it turned bad. But I will not be rude. Just ask, never say that. Never. Under Azerbaijanis, do not throw a hint, or you can lose your life !!!! We built these lands on our sweat and blood.

                        WE WILL NOT GIVE ANYONE ANYONE !!!! Maximum autonomy. We agree - excellent, but no, it will continue to strangle their economy until a convenient day, and then BANZAI and whatever happens!

                        If you are ready to give your house to those who killed your children, then this is your right. Better to die standing than to live on your knees.

                        There will never be a 2nd Armenian state on our land !!!!

                        Lobster.
                      29. Ataturk
                        Ataturk 26 September 2012 11: 01
                        +2
                        Armenian propaganda, the media and historians often emphasize the fact that Armenians were expelled from Nakhchivan en masse, especially recently the Armenians often raise the question that they were allegedly enforced by en masse exiled from Nakhchivan. At the same time, the Armenians claim that they were there an indigenous indigenous population. Not far from the Russian city of Rostov, in the place of compact residence of Armenians, there is a settlement of Nakhichevan-on-Don. Now, in connection with its accession to the growing city, this name has been eliminated, however, the Armenians do not cease to make claims against Azerbaijan and its indivisible part - Nakhchivan.
                        For this purpose, the New Nakhichevan Diocese of the Armenian Apostolic Church was created in Moscow, which unites the Armenian parishes of the South of Russia and the North Caucasus. However, the Nakhichevan-on-Don and the New Nakhichevan Diocese have no relation to the Nakhchivan Autonomous Republic of Azerbaijan. In Soviet times, the late academician Ziya Buniyatov conducted extensive research and exposed on the basis of Arab sources the lies of Armenians about their expulsion from Nakhchivan on the territory of the Republic of Azerbaijan.
                        The Armenians who lived during the Caliphate in the village of Nakhchivan in the territory of Northeast Turkey and its environs were resettled by the Arabs to the Crimea, and after this region became part of the Ottoman Empire, the Armenians from here began to move towards the city of Rostov. I note that it was the betrayal and separatism of the Armenians that caused them to be evicted during the Arab Caliphate, the Ottoman Empire and much earlier - during the Roman, Byzantine and other empires of the region. Armenians who settled on the Don near Rostov called this place Nakhichevan-on-Don, since their ancestors were once resettled from the village of Nakhichevan in Turkey, which is not related to the toponym and the territory of Nakhchivan on the territory of Azerbaijan.
                      30. Neutral
                        Neutral 26 September 2012 11: 23
                        -2
                        Lobster
                        Buniyatov is still a plagiarist.
                        For reference, type in Google: "plagiarist Ziya Buniyatov" - you will learn a lot.
                        It is not surprising that after he led the Academy of Sciences of the Azerbaijan SSR, your ancestors became half the world))))))))))))))))))))))))))
                      31. Ataturk
                        Ataturk 26 September 2012 11: 30
                        +4
                        Quote: Neutral
                        Buniyatov is still a plagiarist.


                        Whose cow would mumble)))))) Or should I remind you what great people say
                        about the Armenians? Yes, and the Armenians themselves?
                      32. Neutral
                        Neutral 26 September 2012 11: 37
                        -3
                        Great people, unlike you, speak for themselves in their own words.
                        All that you can, take other people's words, change the mind and wishful thinking.
                        Lobster.
                        Finish "mazut" no one in the world will give you a hand.
                        The price of "greased with fuel oil" friendship is not high.
                        Time will pass - you will be convinced of this.
                      33. Ataturk
                        Ataturk 26 September 2012 11: 39
                        +1
                        Quote: Neutral
                        Great people, unlike you, speak for themselves in their own words.

                        I also say it myself, they don’t pay me for it.

                        Quote: Neutral
                        The price of "greased with fuel oil" friendship is not high.

                        The main thing is that you do not have it. And the rest is something we survive.
                      34. Neutral
                        Neutral 26 September 2012 11: 42
                        -2
                        The main thing is that we can do without it))))
                        But what will happen to "sun-like" Azerbaijan)))) when the fuel oil runs out - this is a big question.
                        And everything will be simple - immersion in the Middle Ages.
                      35. Ataturk
                        Ataturk 26 September 2012 11: 58
                        +4
                        Quote: Neutral
                        The main thing is that we can do without it))))

                        As a gypsy your president around the world with outstretched hands, this
                        you think well?

                        Quote: Neutral
                        But what will happen to "sun-like" Azerbaijan)))) when the fuel oil runs out

                        We have discovered a gas field knew? There is a huge supply. So
                        that you will not wait.

                        Quote: Neutral
                        And everything will be simple - immersion in the Middle Ages.

                        You think so? I personally do not



                        You will wait a long time in the Middle Ages)))

                        By God, David, remembering you how you want agri-dag from Turkey, we have Karabakh,
                        at Georgia Javakh I remember this movie



                        and you remind me of this man

                      36. kNow
                        kNow 26 September 2012 11: 42
                        +3
                        Neutral,
                        "Clever", except for you, no one calls him that laughing as soon as a meager mind does not allow to scientifically refute his works - so immediately howl is a "plagiarist" laughing
                      37. Neutral
                        Neutral 26 September 2012 11: 46
                        -4
                        Georgian historian G. Beradze claims that Buniyatov appropriated the work of the famous Indian orientalist Hadi Hassan about Falaki Shirvani.

                        According to the British journalist Thomas de Waal, with reference to the American historian Robert Husen, Buniyatov published two articles in 1960 and 1964 (a preface and commentary to the "Albanian Chronicle" by Mkhitar Gosh and "On the chronological discrepancy between the chapters of the" History of Aghvan "by Moses Kagankatsvatsi") , which were plagiarized (without attribution) articles of two American scientists: CFJ Dowsett "The Albanian Chronicle of Mxitar Gosh" (1958) and Robert Hewsen, "On the Chronology of Movses Dasxuranc'I", (1954). It should be noted that Buniatov in his preface to the "Albanian Chronicle" indicates that the text of the chronicle of Gosh itself is a translation of the English edition of Dowsett, and also gives references to this edition, while the preface and comments are indicated as the author's.

                        A.G. Margaryan, analyzing Buniyatov's publication of the "Albanian Chronicle", also claims that the preface and commentaries contain repetitions of Dowsett's provisions, often word for word and at the same time with translation errors. So, according to Margaryan, Buniyatov translated from English into Russian, "Whit Sunday" (Holy Trinity Day) as "White Sunday", literally writing: "27 Tre 588 of the Armenian era - White Sunday 11 June 1139. AD ". The title of the book by the XNUMXth century Armenian author David "Book of canons" he translated as "Book of cannons".
                      38. Neutral
                        Neutral 26 September 2012 11: 51
                        -4
                        But from the Azerbaijani http://forum.bakililar.az/index.php?showtopic=13476
                        In his reprint of a Russian translation of the history of Karabakh, written in the 18th century by the Armenian patriarch of the Holy See in Gandzasar (Karabakh), academician Zia M. Buniyatov, head of the Azerbaijan Academy of Sciences, was systematically and explicitly “Armenian” replaced by “Albanian”. Note 3 (hereinafter in the original text): For example, see Yesai Hassan-Jalalyan “A Brief History of the Country of Albanian, 1702-1722.” (Baku: Elm Press, 1989), p. 35, where instead of the original “Armenian state” Buniyatov wrote “Albanian state.
                        (This refers, for example, to the following passage. The Armenian source says: “hamarelov nor norogeal zishxanutjun hayoc” - “considering the Armenian state to be restored.” In the Russian translation edited by Buniyatov it says: “considering the Albanian state to be restored. I also add that the publications Today’s Azerbaijani historians often remake the author’s name - Yesai Hassan-Jalal instead of Yesai Hassan-Jalalyan, while he himself is presented as an Albanian, who by the 18th century had been gone almost like a thousand years ago - T.)

                        There is a lot, it doesn’t fit here, it's easier to follow the link hi
                      39. kNow
                        kNow 26 September 2012 14: 03
                        +2
                        Quote: Neutral
                        clearly "Armenian"


                        That is, surnames end in "yang"? Udis live in Gabala (which was the capital of Albania). And all surnames end in "yang".
                        It turns out that Albania was Armenia, and the Udins, not the Udins, but the Armenians? laughing
                      40. Ataturk
                        Ataturk 26 September 2012 14: 53
                        +3
                        Quote: kNow
                        That is, surnames end in "yang"?

                        Paul Persians on YAN last name ends. But they recognize that blood
                        they have one, but different faith.

                        Only here are the names like Allahverdyan? Where is this from?
                        Melikyan? Suleimanyan and so on ...
                      41. kNow
                        kNow 26 September 2012 14: 40
                        +2
                        Quote: Neutral
                        But from the Azerbaijani http://forum.bakililar.az/index.php?showtopic=13476

                        We follow the link and see that
                        Quote: Neutral

                        But from the Azerbaijani http://forum.bakililar.az/index.php?showtopic=13476
                        In his reprint of a Russian translation of the history of Karabakh, written in the 18th century by the Armenian patriarch of the Holy See in Gandzasar (Karabakh), academician Zia M. Buniyatov, head of the Azerbaijan Academy of Sciences, was systematically and explicitly “Armenian” replaced by “Albanian”. Note 3 (hereinafter in the original text): For example, see Yesai Hassan-Jalalyan “A Brief History of the Country of Albanian, 1702-1722.” (Baku: Elm Press, 1989), p. 35, where instead of the original “Armenian state” Buniyatov wrote “Albanian state.
                        (This refers, for example, to the following passage. The Armenian source says: “hamarelov nor norogeal zishxanutjun hayoc” - “considering the Armenian state to be restored.” In the Russian translation edited by Buniyatov it says: “considering the Albanian state to be restored. I also add that the publications Today’s Azerbaijani historians often remake the author’s name - Yesai Hassan-Jalal instead of Yesai Hassan-Jalalyan, while he himself is presented as an Albanian, who by the 18th century had been gone almost like a thousand years ago - T.)

                        this garbage is written by user Tigran laughing By the way, in the same place the user Ziyadi answered
                      42. Ataturk
                        Ataturk 26 September 2012 14: 55
                        +3
                        Quote: kNow
                        user Tigran writes this garbage By the way, in the same place user Ziyadi answered


                        They always do that. Visit our forums, find someone
                        from Lezgins or Talysh, and they will start to stir up the water.

                        I saw all the lowest deeds in them.

                        Especially when they call Turkey and the floor of their population there.
                      43. kNow
                        kNow 26 September 2012 13: 57
                        +2
                        Quote: Neutral
                        that Buniatov in his preface to the Albanian Chronicle

                        Quote: Neutral
                        at the same time, the preface and comments are indicated as copyright

                        What is there to comment on?
                        Quote: Neutral
                        which were plagiarized

                        Quote: Neutral
                        (translation without attribution)

                        Quote: Neutral
                        that Buniatov, in his introduction to the Albanian Chronicle, indicates that the text of the Gauche chronicle itself is a translation of the English edition of Dausett, and also provides links to this publication,

                        Quote: Neutral
                        So, according to Margaryan, Buniyatov translated from English into Russian, "Whit Sunday" (Holy Trinity Day) as "White Sunday"

                        "smart guy", and this is in your opinion a sufficient reason to accuse a person of plagiarism?
                      44. Beck
                        Beck 26 September 2012 11: 16
                        -1
                        Ataturk.

                        What is so nervous and excited. And do not read everything carefully.

                        First, I mentioned that what I write is my personal opinion. You have a different opinion. Due to the fact that you have a different opinion, I can't and I have no right to shut your mouth - "don't say that, etc."

                        I did not write that Nakhchivan is Armenian territory. I wrote that Nakhchivan is separated from Azerbaijan by Armenian territory. Read carefully.

                        I will never understand the message to another when there is a conversation about the first. When it comes to Kazakhstan, then we will talk about it. By your logic, then nothing can be discussed on this site. When the topic is about the accident in Moscow, the Russians will tell us - you better worry about Kahastan and Azerbaijan. When the topic is about a border incident on the Sino-Kazakh border, Kazakhs will talk to everyone on the site - you better worry about Russia. When the topic is about Syria, the Syrians can also say - you better worry about your North Caucasus. What are we going to talk about?

                        You can lose your life even if you get under a tram that you can’t ride on a tram now. Your opinion - we will never give back Karabakh. And I understand that this is your opinion. Because of this, I don’t speak with you nervously and in raised tones. Well, you do not expect another option, and well, it is your right to see the situation as you see it.

                        We are not on the battlefield. Disputes primarily see the opponent, not the enemy.

                        Here you are for the return of Karabakh at all costs. Some Armenian for leaving Karabakh at any cost. God forbid you agree without blood.
                        After all, there has already been a lot of blood on both sides.
                      45. Ataturk
                        Ataturk 26 September 2012 11: 33
                        +3
                        Quote: Beck
                        What is so nervous and excited.

                        I will answer you a little later. Now there will be a lesson in the history of Armenia.
                        By the way, you can read too.

                        Quote: Beck
                        By your logic, then nothing can be discussed on this site.


                        So you are for democracy? It's good! Only sometimes, the West often says, we have democracy, and here we are making a caricature of Mohamed. Freedom of Speech.

                        Only they did not take into account, one must say so, so as not to hurt people's hearts. Freedom of speech should bring joy and happiness and not pain and murder. So is the theme of Karabakh and Nakhchivan; it cannot be separated from Azerbaijan. It is sacred to us and it is not discussed. Do you like it if you start to prove that Alma-Ata is the original land of the Mongols? Although they captured Kazakhstan. But we will not say that, we respect the Kazakhs, considering them blood brothers.


                        Quote: Beck
                        Here you are for the return of Karabakh at all costs. Some Armenian for leaving Karabakh at any cost. God forbid you agree without blood.
                        After all, there has already been a lot of blood on both sides.


                        all of course beautifully written, but alas, I doubt it.
                      46. Beck
                        Beck 26 September 2012 12: 08
                        -1
                        Ataturk.

                        If someone says that Almaty is the true land of the Mongols, I will think that this person does not know history, is mistaken, or deliberately distorts the past. Even if it distorts, then in a dispute I will try to prove it wrong. But I will not say "you do not say that" "you will be torn to pieces in Almaty." I'm not sitting in a trench.

                        Here you are with the Neutral words are now pronounced on the verge. If you assume that the Karabakh decision is only in your hands, then the Karabakh problem will never be resolved. Karabakh will change hands, absorbing more and more human blood. Because the economic, military, human potentials of you are approximately equal.

                        I expressed only my ASSUMPTION how to solve the problem. And this is my assumption is not an indication of action. To solve Azerbaijan and Armenia. Well, still there can be no millennial enmity. Then all the neighbors would cut each other. And to solve the problem peacefully is preferable.
                      47. Ataturk
                        Ataturk 26 September 2012 12: 17
                        +1
                        Quote: Beck
                        If someone says that Almaty is the true land of the Mongols, I will think that this person does not know history, is mistaken, or intentionally distorts the past.


                        That's right, I agree. Now tell me if the Mongols start
                        say it for 100 years and at all levels, then what? Little of
                        will do so to chop off your land? Here we have the same thing

                        Quote: Beck
                        Assuming that the Karabakh decision is only in your hands, the Karabakh problem will never be resolved.


                        We agreed on the condition that we give Karabakh the widest autonomy.
                        Self management. Like Tatarstan. What else can we do for them?
                        Although this is a lot for them. I would generally kick them out of my land.
                        And you ask them, where did the word Yerevan come from? See what they answer.
                        By the way, this city is called in honor of its KHAN Ryavan Khan. And now
                        listen to their fables.

                        Quote: Beck
                        I expressed only my ASSUMPTION how to solve the problem.

                        1. They accept the terms of Autonomy. They live quietly and peacefully. To the Hague
                        the tribunal of the last 2 presidents and the minister of defense.
                        2. The war.

                        There is no other solution!


                        Quote: Beck
                        And to solve the problem peacefully is preferable.

                        20 years trying not enough? Who solved land problems peacefully?
                      48. Yarbay
                        Yarbay 26 September 2012 14: 34
                        +2
                        Quote: Beck
                        After all, there has already been a lot of blood on both sides.

                        Apparently a little !!
                      49. Yarbay
                        Yarbay 26 September 2012 14: 29
                        +3
                        Quote: Beck
                        Without war, grief, devastation, maternal and children's tears, Karabakh cannot be returned.
                        I think so too!!!
                        There is no other way!
                        Quote: Beck
                        Given the current positions of Armenia and Azerbaijan - ALL or NOTHING Karabakh problem can not be solved.
                        This position does not change!
                        Quote: Beck
                        My personal opinion and my vision. Karabakh must be divided. With concessions back and forth, but divided. Assume equally. Then Armenia will cede part of its land between Nihichevan and Azerbaijan to Azerbaijanis.

                        Quote: Beck
                        My personal opinion and my vision. Karabakh must be divided. With concessions back and forth, but divided. Assume equally. Then Armenia will cede part of its land between Nihichevan and Azerbaijan to Azerbaijanis.
                        In 96 there was such a plan, similar !! At the last moment, the Armenians refused and Thank God!
                        Quote: Beck
                        I think one cannot do without this. If you choose Azerbaijan between NOTHING and HALF, then the choice is probably clear. If you choose Armenia between HALF and WAR with the loss of everything, then the choice is probably also clear.

                        Quote: Beck
                        I think one cannot do without this. If you choose Azerbaijan between NOTHING and HALF, then the choice is probably clear. If you choose Armenia between HALF and WAR with the loss of everything, then the choice is probably also clear.

                        Quote: Beck
                        I think one cannot do without this. If you choose Azerbaijan between NOTHING and HALF, then the choice is probably clear. If you choose Armenia between HALF and WAR with the loss of everything, then the choice is probably also clear.

                        I assure you this is not so !!
                        If Armenia acted alone, it would have agreed to less, but there are other forces who benefit from just such a situation!
                        Quote: Beck
                        I emphasize again, this is only my opinion.

                        The opinion is balanced, but the opinion of a third-party person who does not know well the mentality of the parties !!
                      50. Beck
                        Beck 26 September 2012 16: 54
                        -1
                        Yarba.

                        Respected. Of course I can’t know all the nuances, you know better. What I said is only. my opinion is how to get out of all this without extra blood. Because neither Azerbaijanis nor Armenians have anywhere to move. Fate and history have ordered you to live together. And somehow we need to agree.
                      51. nycsson
                        nycsson 26 September 2012 15: 05
                        +1
                        Quote: Beck
                        I emphasize again, this is only my opinion.

                        I agree! Only one way is to sit down at the negotiating table! No clanging weapons to solve the problem! Whoever said that an armed nation cannot be defeated!
                      52. Kamilla
                        Kamilla 26 September 2012 21: 48
                        +3
                        Quote: nycsson
                        Well, is that really the mind? This is a thirst for revenge!


                        where do you see a thirst for revenge .. ?? a lot of work awaits us ... yes, it is! we must restore, everything that the Armenians destroyed !! but they destroyed ... believe me, a lot!


                        Quote: nycsson
                        Seven times measure cut once! We say so!


                        thanks for the advice ... we don’t sit idiots ... they know what they are doing.
                      53. Neutral
                        Neutral 25 September 2012 22: 29
                        -2
                        Lobster.
                        You are on your own lies and you catch yourself.
                        Here you write
                        In Karabakh, Panah Khan in a bitter struggle with local emirs and meliksopposed to the centralization of power creates the Karabakh Khanate. The Karabakh-Ganja Beglyarbekstvo, founded in 1551 by a family of the Djevanshirs clan in Karabakh.

                        Maybe you didn’t know that Melik was a prince in Armenian.
                        Next you write
                        Monument "Maragha-150", erected in 1978 in Karabakh in honor of the resettlement of the first Armenians to Karabakh 150 years ago (that is, since 1828). In 1988, the inscription "Maraga-150" was destroyed, and the monument itself was rebuilt. So the Armenians tried to erase the traces, but the photographs from the state fund cannot be erased after all ...

                        I will not comment that photographs of Armenian monuments make up the state fund of the site turkist.org))), but I note
                        that Panah Khan wouldn’t really understand you.
                        So he was married to an Armenian and fought for power with the Meliks in Karabakh, and you, after so many years, decided that the Armenians were not there))))
                        Want to take away the glory of Camilla’s ancestor?
                      54. Kamilla
                        Kamilla 25 September 2012 22: 40
                        +5
                        Quote: Neutral
                        Melik is a prince in Armenian.


                        Melik ... that means Bek ... a man of noble birth, so it was with the Albanians, with our ancestors.... we have the surname Melikov, Melikli ... Melik-zade.


                        Quote: Neutral
                        So he was married to an Armenian


                        I think that your ancestors were married to Armenians .. Panah Khan was not married to an Armenian.
                      55. Neutral
                        Neutral 25 September 2012 22: 59
                        0
                        Kama.
                        You’ll call me when you’re finished deciding on your ancestors:
                        Albanian-Medes-Tatars-Turks-etc. etc. laughing
                      56. Neutral
                        Neutral 26 September 2012 11: 49
                        -1
                        It would take me several years of scientific research and knowledge of several ancient languages ​​to form a competent judgment on the "Albanian problem". Fortunately, I was assisted by Professor Robert Hewsen of Rowan College in New Jersey, a leading expert on this period in the history of the Caucasus. In his elegant, carefully composed answer to a whole list of my questions, I caught the intonation of a man who overcame the reefs of Caucasian historical politics throughout his scientific career.

                        Husen sent me his 1982 paper on an analysis of the original sources. He severely reprimanded Buniyatova for the poorly presented story, but also criticized Mnatsakanyan for his selective approach to testimony (12). In his letter, he stressed that there is actually little evidence of Caucasian Albania, but he agreed with the statement that by the XNUMXth century the Albanians most likely had already disintegrated: "since, according to Strabo, the Albanians formed an alliance of twenty-six tribes, it is generally began to disintegrate during the period of the Arab conquest and by the XNUMXth century it had completely ceased to exist; the Albanian ethnos may have existed longer, but we do not know that. "

                        Traces of the Albanians are difficult to find, Husen said. Many scholars suggest that the Udins, a small Christian people that once inhabited the northern part of modern Azerbaijan, were descendants of the Albanians. They spoke a primordial Caucasian language close to Lezgin. In addition, several fragments of texts have survived, which still require decryption. There is almost no evidence to support the accusation that the Armenians deliberately destroyed the Albanian literary monuments. If "Albania" survived, it was in the form of a separate branch of the Armenian church with the center in Karabakh. Finally, we approached the Karabakh prince Hasan-Jalal. Professor Hewsen concludes: "I have not found the slightest evidence that [meliks] ever called themselves other than Armenians, although they belonged to the Albanian branch of the Armenian church."

                        Husen also traced the genealogy of Hasan-Jalal and found that there were almost exclusively Armenians in his family: "The origin of [Hasan-Jalal] can be traced back to the 1th century, and representatives of the following houses are found in his family: in the male line: 2) princes ( later kings) of Syunik.On the line of several princesses who married his ancestors, Hasan-Jalal descended 3) from the kings of Armenia or the Bagratuni dynasty, with the center in Ani; 4) from the Armenian kings of Vaspurakan of the Artsruni dynasty, with the center in the Van region; 5 ) the princes of Gardman; 6) the Persian dynasty of the Sassanids and 7) the Arshakids, the second royal house of Albania, who in turn were the descendants of 13) the kings of ancient Parthia (XNUMX).

                        All this proved that, probably, there was no doubt: the person on whose dagger, which is stored in the Hermitage’s collection, has an inscription in Armenian, really, was not a newly-born Caucasian Albanian. But to prove this, it took the intervention of a scientist from New Jersey.
                      57. kNow
                        kNow 26 September 2012 14: 18
                        +3
                        Quote: Neutral
                        Robert Husen

                        Robert Husen (Husnyan) is an American Caucasian scholar of Armenian descent, a specialist in the study of the history of Armenia and Caucasian Albania.

                        And if in essence - NOBODY except Armenians accuses Buniyatov of plagiarism. Beradze laughing first look for such a Georgian historian ....

                        Quote: Neutral
                        Professor Robert Hugsen of Rowan College, New Jersey, Leading Specialist in this Period in the History of the Caucasus


                        and so good flooded laughing And everyone thinks - such a bald authoritative American professional laughing He is a plagiarist. And a forger in addition ....
                      58. Ataturk
                        Ataturk 26 September 2012 00: 17
                        +5
                        Quote: Neutral
                        Maybe you didn’t know that Melik was a prince in Armenian.


                        You have in Armenian, if you do not know about 6000 words TURKISH.
                        The word MALIK is also Armenian as a dinosaur.

                        Even in Hindi - the word malik means CHIEF, BOSS, the highest person and so on.

                        Further your nonsense did not begin to read.
                        According to your fables and Cheops's peramid your
                      59. nycsson
                        nycsson 25 September 2012 17: 05
                        +1
                        Quote: Ataturk
                        In order to understand Camila Khanum, you need to find out who she is.

                        Hard case! Precisely troubles cannot be avoided! Anglo-Saxons do everything with the wrong hands!
                      60. Ataturk
                        Ataturk 25 September 2012 17: 20
                        +3
                        Quote: nycsson
                        Anglo-Saxons do everything with the wrong hands!

                        Well, what to do (((((((((Such is life.
                      61. nycsson
                        nycsson 25 September 2012 20: 40
                        +1
                        Quote: Ataturk
                        Well, what to do (((((((((Such is life.

                        Under the total !!! Died, so dead! In cold blood .........
                    2. tekinoral
                      tekinoral 25 September 2012 17: 22
                      +2
                      Today it may not be enough, but tomorrow there will be more, but it pleases, and in the south already 70% want it
                    3. Yeraz
                      Yeraz 25 September 2012 19: 59
                      +5
                      Quote: nycsson
                      Here from this moment on in more detail! And many of you share your point of view ??

                      Well, how to say many. The Aliyev regime is categorically against it.
                      The common people are for it. And some of today's youth are against it because they understand the reunification of the southerners will be more and they are very religious therefore they will spread Islam very strongly and some "girls" will not be able to calmly walk along the boulevard in mini and leggings))
                      but nevertheless the majority is against it, people are tired of the fact that all sorts of sluts get naked videos and photos of which they walk around the republic, who later speak on TV and tell us what a mother is, what a real Azerbaijani hanym is. I’m sick of these and even grew up to a secular family and secular society, but I understand that the degradation of the nation will be stopped only by Islam. Real Islam, and not the one that Wahhabis spread.
                      1. nycsson
                        nycsson 26 September 2012 09: 21
                        0
                        Quote: Yeraz
                        Aliyev’s regime is categorically against.

                        Mode!!! Even so? Very interesting!
                  3. Yeraz
                    Yeraz 25 September 2012 19: 38
                    +2
                    Well done little sister. It is necessary to return and unite our people and our lands !!!!
                    1. nycsson
                      nycsson 26 September 2012 09: 22
                      0
                      Quote: Yeraz
                      It is necessary to return and unite our people and our lands !!!!

                      At the same time, firewood wouldn’t break! hi
                  4. nycsson
                    nycsson 26 September 2012 08: 51
                    -1
                    Quote: Kamilla
                    and the territory should be what it was under Uzun-Hassan ...! under the Safavids ...!

                    And what was she like ???
                    1. Ataturk
                      Ataturk 26 September 2012 10: 13
                      +1
                      Quote: nycsson
                      And what was she like ???


                      Believe it is big. good

                      1. Neutral
                        Neutral 26 September 2012 11: 05
                        0
                        Lobster.
                        If your nomadic ancestors somewhere passed with a flock of sheep, this does not mean that this land belongs to them.
                        And it turns out interestingly - the confederation of nomadic tribes begins to claim rights to land that belongs to others.
                        Silenok enough to "resolve issues"? laughing
                      2. Ataturk
                        Ataturk 26 September 2012 11: 13
                        +3
                        Quote: Neutral
                        If your nomadic ancestors somewhere passed with a flock of sheep, this does not mean that this land belongs to them.

                        hmm. Well, if so, let's go. Listen to your story.

                        The myth of the first adoption of Christianity by Armenians as a state religion


                        The cornerstone of Armenian mythologized history is the assertion of Armenia as the first country in the world to adopt Christianity in 301 as the state religion. However, science has long known that at the end of the II century, i.e. More than a century before the Armenians, Christianity became the official religion in the Aramaic-speaking kingdom of Edessa (Osroen).
                        In 165, King of Edessa Abgar Bar Manu (Abgar V or Manu VIII) converted to Christianity, as he was convinced by a Palestinian missionary, St. Fadey (Addai), (Cheetham, Samuel, “A History of the Christian Church During the First Six Centuries” , Macmillan), and his successor on the royal throne, Abgar VIII, turned Christianity into the state religion of Osroen (Lockyer, Herbert, “All the Apostles of the Bible”, Zondervan (1988), p. 260.). However, some sources write that this was done by Abgar IX (Adshead, Samuel Adrian Miles, “China in World History”, Macmillan (2000), p. 27.), which also laid the foundations of Christian poetry.
                        In 1905, the German historian and theologian Adolf von Harnack wrote: “... there is no doubt that even before 190 Christianity was actively spreading throughout Edessa and its surrounding areas, and (soon after 201 or even earlier) the royal court also adopted the church ( i.e., Christianity) ”(Adolph von Harnack,“ The Expansion of Christianity in the First Three Centuries ”, Williams & Norgate (1905), p. 293.). Irfan Shahid writes about Abgar VIII as the first ruler of the Middle East state, who converted to Christianity. (Shahid, Irfan, Rome and the Arabs: A Prolegomenon to the Study of Byzantium and the Arabs, Dumbarton Oaks Trustees for Harvard University (1984), p. 96.).

                        After all these facts, how did the Armenians become the “first” Christian nation in the world?

                        And now let's talk about when our herds of sheep grazed across the Caucasus, alas, our shepherds did not see Armenians there. To prove? Listen !!!
                      3. Ataturk
                        Ataturk 26 September 2012 11: 18
                        +2
                        The myth of the autochthonousness of Armenians in the South Caucasus

                        Now David, I will expose you, according to your own sources. Read.

                        Armenian science often also refers to the ancient Greek geographer Strabo, who allegedly noted the autochthonous nature of the Armenians in the South Caucasus. Even in those days, Strabo noticed the tendency of Armenians to seize foreign lands and wrote in his book: “Armenia, which used to be a small country, was increased by the wars of Artaxia and Zariadria.

                        They were originally commanders of Antiochus the Great, and later, after his defeat, they became kings (the first - the king of Sophena, Akisena, Odomantida and some other areas, and the last - the king of the country around Artaxata); together they expanded their holdings, cutting off part of the regions of the surrounding nationalities (Strabo, "Geography", XI, XIV, 5.). Moreover, Strabo emphasized that on the conquered lands the Armenians tried to assimilate the conquered peoples (Strabo, “Geography”, XI, XIV, 5.12).

                        So??? And now

                        In Armenia, the words of Strabo are interpreted quite amusingly. According to their logic, if the Armenian kings conquered the territories of other nations, then the Armenians in these lands immediately became "autochthons." It should be noted that as an independent state, Armenia lasted a relatively short time. (according to your HAI sources)

                        History knows that, having existed in the beginning of AD a little more than two decades as an independent state, Armenia, having lost independence, turned into Roman-Parthian possession, because after 63 years under the agreement between Rome and Parthia double independence of Armenia was established (G. Melikishvili “On the History of Ancient Georgia”, Tbilisi, 1959 p. 344)

                        So how long have you lasted? Judging by your sources, even 50 years is not. Let's go further ....
                      4. Ataturk
                        Ataturk 26 September 2012 11: 22
                        +1
                        All subsequent centuries until 1918, it was either in vassal, or in absolute dependence on other powers - the Persian, Roman, Ottoman, Russian empires.
                        There is no scientific evidence of the spread of control of the Armenian kings to part of the territory of modern Azerbaijan.

                        Here you can recall that under the authority of the Azerbaijani rulers there was even Baghdad at a certain time ... Well now, according to the logic of Armenian scientists, do we need to make claims on this city?

                        Another thing is important - nowhere does Strabo say that in Orkhisten, which at different periods of history could be ruled by different kings, the Armenians lived. Strabo does not have a word about the ethnic composition of Karabakh and, especially, about the autochthonousness or alienness of its population! But there are many other sources and testimonies of other authors, which refer specifically to the Albanian population of Karabakh. In the same 11th section of the book, Strabo notes that the Cyrus (Kura) River flowed through Albania (Strabo, Geography, XI, IV, 1.13).

                        So do not drive here !!!!
                      5. Neutral
                        Neutral 26 September 2012 11: 20
                        +1
                        My friend. Your herds migrated no earlier than the 11th century.
                        By that time, half the world had become Christians.
                        Even "your ancestors" are Albanians)))))))))))
                        You are an interesting people, you have so many ancestors: Albanians, Medes, Turks, Tatars, would have already decided.
                        I am impressed with how you refer to Strabo)))))
                        I read it myself, or did Alibek tell in a teahouse? )))
                      6. Ataturk
                        Ataturk 26 September 2012 11: 34
                        +1
                        Quote: Neutral
                        Even "your ancestors" are Albanians)))))))))))
                        You are an interesting people, you have so many ancestors: Albanians, Medes, Turks, Tatars, would have already decided.


                        This speaks of our rich history. And not just what you, dolma Armenian, nakhchivan Armenian, even the word MELIK Armenian))))))))))))))

                        but about the fact that 6000 of your words are Turkic, you will not say anything about this.
                      7. Neutral
                        Neutral 26 September 2012 11: 40
                        -2
                        It speaks of our rich history.


                        Alas, Omar.
                        This suggests that you are trying to "sit on 10 chairs with one booty"
                        As a result, either the priest breaks, or the chairs break)))))))
                      8. Ataturk
                        Ataturk 26 September 2012 11: 50
                        +3
                        Quote: Neutral
                        As a result, either the priest breaks, or the chairs break)))))))


                        Well, for now, the priest in your country is torn at the seams along the side.
                        Even the feces that shit do not belong to you. So alelu.

                        Quote: Neutral
                        This suggests that you are trying to "sit on 10 chairs with one booty"

                        And this is what the Armenian writes to me, whose country

                        Turkey - Agra Dag (which you changed to Ararat), Georgia Javakh, Azerbaijan Karabakh,
                        I'm sure the list is not yet complete.

                        Well, how do you sit right on 3 chairs? All Caucasians hate you.
                        Do you even know about this?

                        I'll tell you a story .... I have one friend, wrote to me yesterday, Omar
                        how you were right about the Armenians. I say what happened? In short, Europe already understands who you are.
                        Telling is not a hunt. If interested, I’ll tell you.

                        We say .... Sychmadygy Kol-Galmada. That is, there was no bush wherever you spoil.
                        Wait another 5 years, nothing will remain of your imaginary history. Just be patient. Little is left !!!!

                        Every year, US presidents throw you.
                        Russia made an outpost of you and took everything.
                        Your false propaganda no longer rolls

                        but to all this ... a highlight ... read.



                        This is called a kick with the words, who are the Armenians? let's uh goodbye!
                        Now you see what life-giving fuel oil does? And we have a lot of it!

                      9. Neutral
                        Neutral 26 September 2012 11: 56
                        -2
                        At a meeting with Azerbaijani ambassadors to foreign countries, Ilham Aliyev openly stated that maximum efforts would be made to gain loyalty in the international arena, which indicates that the Azerbaijani authorities are seriously concerned about the constant pressure from the international community, the deputy chairman said in an interview with the Azadlig newspaper Party of the Popular Front of Azerbaijan (PFPA) Fuad Gahramanli.

                        According to him, Ilham Aliyev and his team understand that serious attention of the international community will be given to Azerbaijan in the 2013 presidential election, and they have already begun to prepare.

                        “The world press has done its job. The essence of the Azerbaijani authorities is fully exposed in the international press. Therefore, Ilham Aliyev openly called on the ambassadors to spare no efforts to gain loyalty and attached importance to working with the foreign press on this issue. However, the efforts of the authorities are not convincing. Even “caviar diplomacy” is of dubious success and is unlikely to be effective, ”said the PFPA functionary.

                        F. Gahramanli also emphasized that Ilham Aliyev’s statements about cooperation with international structures are in reality blackmail. “Ilham Aliyev talks about bilateral cooperation. But he considers it inappropriate even the requirements of those structures in which he is not represented. Here he primarily refers to the European Union. It is known that the EU has a clear position on democracy and human rights. There on the agenda is the issue of determining sanctions against Azerbaijan for a gross violation of human rights. Ilham Aliyev knows well that pressure will only increase during the presidential election, so he decided to go on the offensive.

                        Blackmailing the European Union and international structures in solidarity with him, the head of state states that the presence of Azerbaijan in these structures is not a priority. This means that cooperation with international structures that have a principled stand on the issue of democracy can be suspended. Definitely, Ilham Aliyev for personal purposes considers isolation of Azerbaijan from the whole world acceptable, ”the Azerbaijani politician emphasized.
                      10. Ataturk
                        Ataturk 26 September 2012 12: 19
                        +3
                        Quote: Neutral
                        Ilham Aliyev openly stated at a meeting with Azerbaijani ambassadors to foreign countries

                        And what is so terrible he said? Everything is clear.

                        Quote: Neutral
                        Blackmailing the European Union and international structures
                        joint with him

                        And they don’t understand another language. They learned from them. With wolves live by
                        wolf howl. In war, all means are good. Especially true for us.
                      11. nycsson
                        nycsson 26 September 2012 15: 09
                        -1
                        Quote: Ataturk
                        Believe it is big.

                        Well, your girlfriend’s appetites !!! That's who do not put a finger in your mouth, just bite off the shoulder !!! wassat
                      12. Ataturk
                        Ataturk 26 September 2012 15: 43
                        +2
                        Quote: nycsson
                        Well, your girlfriend’s appetites !!!

                        Her man’s appetites are big and accordingly his woman’s appetite will rise feel We ask for our own and how much we can eat and how much our appetite allows. Is it really bad when the country's borders increase?
                        Not. And here it is such a thing that almost half of their population is ours.

                        Good and quiet countries are not in vogue today. Get on the head.
                        And so we are all guests in this world. And live or die like that with music)
                        Moreover, there is our music and history and people) So it will be fun.
                      13. nycsson
                        nycsson 26 September 2012 18: 44
                        0
                        Quote: Ataturk
                        Her man’s appetites are big and accordingly his woman’s appetite will rise

                        Even so?! smile As I understand it - you are her man !? bully feel

                        Quote: Ataturk
                        We ask for our own and how much we can eat and how much our appetite allows. Is it really bad when the country's borders increase?
                        Not. And here it is such a thing that almost half of their population is ours.

                        And you explain it to Yarbai! I tell him the same thing, but he unlocks, or maybe he’s embarrassed to admit, or maybe he will not accept me for that! bully

                        Quote: Ataturk
                        Good and quiet countries are not in vogue today. Get on the head.
                        And so we are all guests in this world. And live or die like that with music)
                        Moreover, there is our music and history and people) So it will be fun.

                        Well, finally, the masks are removed !!! Here it is the truth !!! Or maybe you tell me a secret when we start to have fun? You can write in a personal, I will be very grateful!
                      14. Kamilla
                        Kamilla 26 September 2012 21: 26
                        +3
                        Quote: nycsson
                        finally masks are removed !!! Here it is the truth !!! Or maybe you will tell me a secret when we start to have fun? You can write in a personal, I will be very grateful!


                        and who are you so worried about ?? for the Iranians ... us ... Russians? just wondering....
                      15. nycsson
                        nycsson 26 September 2012 21: 45
                        0
                        Quote: Kamilla
                        and who are you so worried about ?? for the Iranians ... us ... Russians? just wondering....

                        If you have the same eyes as on the profile picture, then I’m definitely worried about you !!! love
                        Well, for Omar a little bit! And so, of course, for the Russians! See what’s going on in Dagestan?
                      16. Ataturk
                        Ataturk 26 September 2012 22: 12
                        +1
                        Thank you for your concern. God grant everything will be fine.
                      17. Ataturk
                        Ataturk 26 September 2012 22: 10
                        +2
                        Quote: nycsson
                        As I understand it - you are her man

                        Well, dear, such a woman cannot have her without a man, and only God knows who her man is. I have no right to say who he is.

                        Quote: nycsson
                        I tell him the same thing, but he unlocks, and maybe he’s embarrassed to admit

                        Dear, do you really think that I have just written what it will be so?
                        I do not solve these issues, but God sees, I would like it to be so.
                        And our masks don’t put on, we threaten openly, we trade openly, we are friends openly
                        evidence of this in the media.

                        Did I lie that in the modern world, they are afraid and respect the strong?
                        Doesn't that laziness want to chop off the land of your neighbor?

                        These must be beaten severely in order to repulse the desire. But in our case, we
                        we ask Karabakh. Iran we did not ask. This is written and said by the Americans.

                        It is the Iranians who write that Azerbaijan is North Iran. And you will like it
                        if the Mongols will write that Russia is ours?

                        When you ask me questions, I ask you, first ask this question
                        yourself, instead of Azerbaijan, put your country and you will understand me
                        and you will have all the answers.


                        Regards Omar
                      18. nycsson
                        nycsson 26 September 2012 22: 18
                        -1
                        Quote: Ataturk
                        Dear, do you really think that I have just written what it will be so?

                        Of course not! But this all goes!
                        Quote: Ataturk
                        I do not solve these issues, but God sees, I would like it to be so.

                        This is the main thing for me!
                        Quote: Ataturk
                        Regards Omar

                        Mutually! As they say, wait and see.
                2. T72B
                  T72B 25 September 2012 12: 12
                  +2
                  Alibek, dear, you know better on the spot what is there and how to do it. I am simply always for the state and order, as a counterbalance to chaos and ruin. And I never rejoice in the destruction of the state, especially the neighboring one: it is fraught with big problems for ourselves.
                  1. Yarbay
                    Yarbay 25 September 2012 12: 20
                    +3
                    Quote: T72Б
                    And I never rejoice in the destruction of the state, especially the neighboring one: it is fraught with big problems for ourselves.

                    I have the same opinion !!
        3. Yeraz
          Yeraz 25 September 2012 19: 37
          +3
          For example, I think so. I am for the connection. Although in my case I am in the Russian Federation)) therefore I can’t find me in Azerbaijan))
  7. Yarbay
    Yarbay 25 September 2012 09: 18
    +5
    in the Caspian, the Iranian fleet is very weak !!
    1. Trailer
      Trailer 25 September 2012 09: 46
      0
      I’m embarrassed to ask, what does the NATO fleet in the Caspian look like? There, in principle, there is no one to expect a strike from Iran! Everything is peaceful there. And here’s what’s in the Persian Gulf near Iran:
      However, the main forces of the Iranian Navy, of course, are concentrated all the same in the Persian Gulf. Of the 11 naval bases, 6 are located here.
      At the end of November 2011, the Iranian Navy adopted three new Qadir-class submarines, as stated by the Deputy Commander of the Iranian Navy, Rear Admiral Golam Reza Khadem-Bigam. With them, the number of submarines in the Iranian Navy has already reached 14 units - although this figure may turn out to be inaccurate.
      As part of the surface forces, the Iranian Navy has 4 patrol ships (frigates), 3 corvettes, more than 20 missile boats, several landing and mine sweeping ships, and about 30 auxiliary vessels. Of the new warships in the Navy, the destroyer Jamaran-1 of its own construction (took part in the current Velayat-90 exercises), in December 2011, the Iranian fleet received the second modern warship - the destroyer Jamaran-2, which has armed with a rocket ground-to-air, ground-to-ground and torpedoes.
      So, in January 2011, it became known that the Iranian Armed Forces adopted new coast-based missile systems with Kader missiles capable of hitting targets at a distance of 200 km.
      In February 2011, the commander of the Islamic Revolutionary Guard Corps, Brigadier General Mohammad Ali Jafari, announced that Iran would soon begin mass production of anti-ship ballistic missiles. According to him, missiles are capable of speeds up to three times the speed of sound, and are invisible to enemy radars.
      In addition, taking into account threats from the sea, as reported by the Iranian agency ISNA, in 2011, the creation of a radar with a passive phased array was completed, the range of which is 1100 kilometers. Radar production will begin in 2012.
      In late August, 2011 r in Iran announced the completion of three large military projects at once. At the presentation of new achievements of the Iranian military-industrial complex dedicated to the Day of the Defense Industry of the Islamic Republic of Iran, Gader missiles, Azhdar torpedo launcher and the latest power plant for warships were presented. According to Iranian television, the Gader sea-and coast-based missile has a range of up to 200 kilometers and is intended to hit targets at sea and onshore enemy targets. Torpedo "Azhdar" has a weight of 220 kilograms, is capable of destroying large sea targets, can be used in all weather conditions at shallow and deep depths and is intended for installation on submarines. The Bonn-1 warship engine is the first such development of the Iranian defense industry.
      Also in the fall of 2011, the Iranian Navy adopted the new Qader anti-ship cruise missile. This was stated by the Minister of Defense of Iran, General Ahmad Wahidi. According to him, the missile can be launched both from a special coastal installation and from the board of several types of ships that are in service with the Navy. At the same time, Qader allows you to hit both surface and coastal targets at ranges up to 200 kilometers. In addition, Khalij-e-Fars and Tondar anti-ship missiles are being developed.
  8. with
    with 25 September 2012 09: 26
    +4
    It turns out that the invasion of the Western coalition in Iran could provoke a new phase of the Caucasian conflict.

    And I LOVE the Caspian Sea and will not give it to anyone !!!
    1. Yarbay
      Yarbay 25 September 2012 09: 37
      +4
      Quote: met
      It turns out that the invasion of the Western coalition in Iran could provoke a new phase of the Caucasian conflict.

      How??
      I also love the Caspian Sea and also do not intend to give it to anyone))))
      1. Karish
        Karish 25 September 2012 16: 28
        +3
        Quote: Yarbay
        I also love the Caspian Sea and also do not intend to give it to anyone))))

        And I love caviar)))))))))))))))
        1. Ataturk
          Ataturk 25 September 2012 16: 33
          +2
          Quote: Karish
          And I love caviar)))))

          I know a place where they sell for 250-300 dollars per kilo)
          Beluga besides)))))))))
          1. Karish
            Karish 25 September 2012 16: 41
            +2
            Quote: Ataturk
            I know a place where they sell for 250-300 dollars per kilo)
            Beluga besides)))))))))

            Do not pour me salt on the wounds crying 300 bucks a kilo, damn spoons would eat crying
            Omar in a cauldron, obviously lamb, looks just fly away What is it called? Cheeks?
            1. Ataturk
              Ataturk 25 September 2012 17: 05
              +2
              Quote: Karish
              Omar in a cauldron, obviously lamb, looks just fly away What is it called?

              This is called Petit. It is super cooked by Shekintsy, although not a little in Baku.
              Take lamb meat. Where meat and fat must be present.
              Then potatoes, peas, water, spices. Everything is necessarily in clay kufshin.
              At night they put it on a shallow fire, and cook for 12 hours. When you eat meat
              it hides in your mouth. Like potatoes and everything else. Super delicious.

              1. Karish
                Karish 25 September 2012 21: 57
                +2
                Quote: Ataturk
                This is called Petit. It is super cooked by Shekintsy, although not a little in Baku.
                Take lamb meat. Where meat and fat must be present.
                Then potatoes, peas, water, spices. Everything is necessarily in clay kufshin.
                At night they put it on a shallow fire, and cook for 12 hours. When you eat meat
                it hides in your mouth. Like potatoes and everything else. Super delicious.

                Omar. just fly away. But the Day of Judgment has come for us, and all Orthodox Jews should fast for a day, and here - PETIT. I feel until the morning I can’t endure - I NEED THAT TO EAT drinks
                Israel closed its airspace on Tuesday and suspended traffic due to the most important date on the Jewish calendar, Yom Kippur. Yom Kippur, or Judgment Day, starts at about 17 p.m. local time on Tuesday, but it ends after 18 p.m. on Wednesday, NEWSru Israel reports.
                During this time, Israeli airports stop sending and receiving flights. Air traffic was interrupted on Tuesday shortly after noon. The resumption of flights, both international and domestic, is expected at approximately 21:00 on Wednesday.
                Public transport is interrupted on Tuesday at about 14 p.m. and resumes on Wednesday after 00 p.m. An exception is made only for police cars, ambulances and fire brigades.
                Train traffic is interrupted on Tuesday, after 11:00, and will resume after midnight (from Wednesday to Thursday).
                Also on Judgment Day in Israel, all ports and land checkpoints are closed, radio and television do not work, and without exception, all trading and entertainment establishments are closed.
                In the Pentateuch, Yom Kippur is also called Saturday of Saturdays. On this day, as ITAR-TASS reports, all Saturday bans must be observed, and there are also five more taboos: you can’t eat, drink, wash, indulge in carnal pleasures, or wear leather shoes. Bans can only be violated if it comes to saving lives
                1. Ataturk
                  Ataturk 26 September 2012 00: 40
                  +1
                  Quote: Karish
                  Omar. just fly away.

                  Sometimes I’ll pamper everyone with recipes, the main thing is that admins don’t get angry and
                  they didn’t blame me. And it’s a shame somehow, you try and there they punish.

                  It is necessary to create a separate topic for the talk, for flooding.
                  1. Ataturk
                    Ataturk 26 September 2012 00: 56
                    +1
                    Karish, dear to you, one of my favorite dishes.
                    I apologize to the forum users for the flood. Try it all.
                    A nice dish, but insanely tasty.

                    Called ARPA.





                    Eat cold and cook yellow peas in advance. Delicious too.
                    Believe me, this is paradise food.
              2. Odessa
                Odessa 26 September 2012 00: 27
                +3
                Ataturk,
                Omar, thanks for the recipe. I’ll definitely cook it, in Israel this pea is called hummus (in Arabic too), so that all the ingredients are available. Even pita bread is there, but the Arabs call it hubez Lebnan (Lebanese bread).
                1. Ataturk
                  Ataturk 26 September 2012 00: 35
                  +1
                  Quote: Odessa
                  Omar, thanks for the recipe.


                  You're welcome Esther.
                  Cook, this is a very tasty dish. Plus is helpful.
                  Bon appetit.

                  Be sure to expose. Look forward to.
              3. 12061973
                12061973 26 September 2012 17: 18
                +1
                Do you eat dotur and cure?
                1. Yarbay
                  Yarbay 26 September 2012 21: 27
                  +1
                  Quote: 12061973
                  Do you eat dotur and cure?

                  what is dotur ?? cure eat, but not everyone loves)))
          2. Yarbay
            Yarbay 25 September 2012 16: 48
            +2
            Quote: Ataturk
            I know a place where they sell for 250-300 dollars per kilo)
            Beluga besides)))))))))

            I look forward to seeing you in Baku))))
            1. Ataturk
              Ataturk 25 September 2012 17: 25
              +1
              Quote: Yarbay
              I look forward to seeing you in Baku))))

              One of my aunt's pharmacies is located in .......... the market. There are often fishermen who
              they sell fish, go to her, and sometimes she gives them medicine for free.
              And they, in turn, the aunt say what you need, say. In short for a good price
              somewhere for 10 manats (10 euros) for a kilo sturgeon takes. When I flew to Baku
              in my honor the table was opened and there they did it for me. True, when I was at the restaurant I ah .... ate from 2 pieces of 40 manat per sturgeon. Although it’s my fault, I went to a restaurant where not everyone goes. And then my aunt brought black caviar to me with a liter bottle. Often these fishermen bring ours. So, I want a shish kebab and sturgeon from UGRA. Really want to.

              Azik promised good vodka. I told him, I'd better bring the Absolute, but
              he promised that the ABSOLUTE will be better. We'll see.
              1. Yarbay
                Yarbay 25 September 2012 17: 35
                +3
                Quote: Ataturk
                Azik promised good vodka. I told him, I'd better bring the Absolute, but
                he promised that the ABSOLUTE will be better. We'll see.

                He speaks the truth))))))
                Although I do not drink)))))))))
          3. Kamilla
            Kamilla 25 September 2012 20: 48
            0
            Quote: Ataturk
            I know a place where they sell for 250-300 dollars per kilo)


            drooling now ... I also want crying .... the last time in June I ate, toyda ..... but, it was that one ... you know ..))))
          4. 12061973
            12061973 26 September 2012 17: 16
            +2
            I love home-made caviar with (snot) do you have one ?, otherwise the fish is gone and garbage is pressed.
            1. Kamilla
              Kamilla 26 September 2012 21: 23
              +1
              I also love this ... yes, I used to ... now I don’t even know .. but, very expensive .. sad
              1. Yarbay
                Yarbay 26 September 2012 21: 28
                +1
                Quote: Kamilla

                I also love this ... yes, I used to ... now I don’t even know .. but, very expensive

                Even poachers profitable to pass the state)))))))))))))))
    2. nycsson
      nycsson 25 September 2012 09: 50
      +2
      Quote: met
      And I LOVE the Caspian Sea and will not give it to anyone !!!

      In this case, you can sleep peacefully! Matt will deal with everyone, in which case !!! good
    3. Ataturk
      Ataturk 25 September 2012 10: 30
      +7
      Quote: met
      And I LOVE the Caspian Sea and will not give it to anyone !!!


      That's it! A plus!
    4. Vito
      Vito 25 September 2012 20: 54
      +1
      met (8)Man, after the still life you laid out, for some reason I really want to gasp cognac 200-300 grams!
      We will stand for the Caspian Sea to the end! hi drinks
  9. baltika-18
    baltika-18 25 September 2012 09: 43
    +3
    The author raised an interesting problem, the problem of the Caspian. It can and probably will be another stumbling block. I believe that orthodox regimes, such as the authority of ayatol in Iran, can have neither friends nor allies. Russia needs to sing praises now, and then legs will be wiped out and go on. They have a different mentality, they believe that Allah created the world for them, and the infidels, that is, we, is a mistake of nature.
    1. nycsson
      nycsson 25 September 2012 10: 19
      +2
      Quote: baltika-18
      I believe that orthodox regimes such as the power of ayatol in Iran cannot have any friends or allies. Russia now needs to sing praises, and then their feet will be wiped out and go on.

      And who will ask them what they want? This regime in Iran will be overthrown by hook or by crook! Everything goes to this! Iran is like a bone in the throat with its own regime! Sooner or later, they will get to him. Now they act mainly by economic methods, but as we know, they are not so far from the military!
      The situation has long gone beyond the interests of the Caspian basin countries!
      1. Yarbay
        Yarbay 25 September 2012 10: 29
        +3
        Quote: nycsson
        This regime in Iran will be overthrown by hook or by crook!

        And any other regime in the coming years will not be capable without the support of the clergy !!
    2. Beck
      Beck 25 September 2012 11: 37
      0
      The Baltic.

      Briefly, intelligibly, objectively. Straight to the unintelligent heads of the morons.
  10. gregor6549
    gregor6549 25 September 2012 09: 53
    +2
    I am afraid that things will not be limited to the Caucasus alone. Iran is aiming at much more extensive territories, and Israel, for example, is not at all a target for it. He is more attracted to places where there is oil (i.e. Iraq, Saudi Arabia, Azerbaijan, etc.). And Israel is a very good ideological cover for true goals, because everyone understands that Israel can only be destroyed (in principle) and there is nothing to take from it except sand. Therefore, for the Sunni Saudis to fall under the rule of the Sunni Persians is more terrible than an atomic war. Therefore, the Saudis will close their eyes to any strikes on Iran, no matter who strikes them and will also “shine a candle”. Therefore, they are urgently building pipes across the Arabian Peninsula, bypassing the Strait of Hormuz. And as soon as enough pipes are built to ensure that at least 50% of the oil that is now transported by tankers across the Strait of Hormuz is pumped through them, write your letters. The war has gone. I will be glad if I'm wrong. And yet, it is a bad habit to sit in Chinese on a high mountain, rub your hands and wait for two or more tigers in the valley to bite each other (which is what many "defenders" of Iran sin today). One of the tigers, after all, can climb their mountain. Even foolishly
    1. Kamilla
      Kamilla 25 September 2012 10: 15
      +4
      Quote: gregor6549
      Therefore, for Saudi Saunis, falling under the power of Sunni Persians is worse than nuclear war.


      Sunni Persians ?? they are Shiites.
      1. klimpopov
        klimpopov 25 September 2012 10: 21
        +2
        Absolutely right!!! Dear apparently confused something. +
    2. Yarbay
      Yarbay 25 September 2012 10: 30
      +4
      Quote: gregor6549
      Sunni Saudis

      Actually, you do not confuse the Sunnis with the Wahhabis !!
      1. klimpopov
        klimpopov 25 September 2012 11: 41
        +1
        By the way, yes, parallels are superfluous ... +
      2. gregor6549
        gregor6549 25 September 2012 13: 07
        +1
        I am to blame, of course I confused. But the essence of my comments remains the same. It would be nice to remember another Akhmidezhan by the name of Shiklgruber. He, too, was already at the borders of the USSR, but many still firmly believed that he would fight only against the damned Anglo-Saxons. And he, the bastard, what did he do? What is the difference between these "guys" If anyone sees such a difference, I would like them to come to Australia and look at the crowds of raging Muslim fanatics demanding to behead everyone who does not respect their Prophet. What happens? Is it enough for someone somewhere to arrange a stupid provocation (maybe even to the Muslims themselves) as the brakes away and let's chop off everyone's heads? Or are you, dear, naively hoping that this plague is only on our homes? I'm afraid that at all homes, including at home, quite normal and adequate Muslims
    3. nycsson
      nycsson 25 September 2012 15: 24
      0
      Quote: gregor6549
      Iran swings to much wider territories and the very Israel is not a goal for him at all.

      I beg of you! Yes, he does not swing at anyone! The country lives, develops, gives birth to children, etc. But the world elite does not like it, they are too independent ........
      This is all their swings ...
      1. Yarbay
        Yarbay 25 September 2012 15: 44