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New amendments to the Criminal Code: protection of statehood or the hunt for objectionable?

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New amendments to the Criminal Code: protection of statehood or the hunt for objectionable?A few days ago, Russian lawmakers decided to take advantage of the clearly manifested crisis of creativity in the camp of the opposition and struck its representatives with a painful blow, as they say, below the belt. Such a blow lies in the fact that soon a special segment of the Criminal Code will be launched in the Russian Federation, which is aimed at strengthening the protection of state secrets, as well as at new measures to protect the constitutional order.

This bill was submitted to the State Duma by such a previously uncomfortable special agency as the Federal Security Service of the Russian Federation. Now, the Criminal Code is likely to be replenished with items not only about foreign spies, as well as individuals from among Russian citizens recruited by foreign intelligence services, but also about those who can be called intermediaries in divulging state secrets. Turning to more tangible objects, it can be stated that new articles or new paragraphs of old articles will be aimed at criminal prosecution of those who, with the financial support of foreign foundations and government organizations, conduct, more simply, “subversive” activities against the state. Such people can be called information mercenaries, you can be provocateurs, you can generally be called whatever you like, but the fact that the state decided to take revenge from overly active opposition movements for all the “Marches of millions”, “Control walks” and other actions that had such a clear goal as a weakening of the role of the authorities in the country. It would be quite possible to call this the opposition's power revenge for December 2011 - March 2012, if it were not for the information that the bill to toughen the fight against disclosing state secrets and shaking the country's constitutional base was submitted to the 2008 year. In this regard, it is absolutely impossible to say that he was concocted only after the recent opposition boom in the Russian Federation.

Another thing is that in 2008, this bill was sent by President Dmitry Medvedev for revision, since then it caused a serious discussion. Many four years ago, on which the light stands, criticized the FSB bill, so they considered it aimed at curtailing freedom of speech and thought in Russia, as well as at a peculiar version of the reincarnation of the famous 58 article of the Criminal Code of the RSFSR, which entered into force in 1927 year.

Recall that the 58 article of the Criminal Code of the RSFSR (its counterparts in the Criminal Code of other Union Republics under different numbers) defined such concepts as responsibility for counterrevolutionary activities, treason against the Motherland, failure to report on military traitors, counterrevolutionary sabotage, espionage, propaganda or agitation, which contain calls for the overthrow, undermining or weakening of Soviet power.

In general, if the words “counterrevolution” and “Soviet power” are removed, then it turns out that in the 2008 year, Medvedev, adhering to quite liberal principles in politics, sent for revision. Only in the 58 article there was nothing about assistance to foreign organizations in conducting hostile activities against the statehood of the country. In the new bill, which was considered by Russian lawmakers, there are such points.

By the way, if we talk about how the bill that was submitted to the State Duma four years ago was finalized, then we can say that there is almost nothing. It’s just that the situation in the country (and in the world as a whole) itself developed in such a way that the official needed the bill as an instrument of self-reinforcement, and therefore the deputies of the Lower House adopted it unanimously. As they say, someone else would have spoken against ... Then the sharp sting of political criticism would have immediately turned against this deputy, and the Ethics Committee could well have been able to remove this “apostate” from the cage with his tools.

In general, it is quite possible to say that the bill is quite tough, and it is aimed solely at protecting the very vertical that has been said so much lately. On the one hand, the zeal of the authorities in this direction is clear: I already want to arrange at the legislative level a real separation to representatives of extremely oppositional movements, who are accustomed at the expense of foreign funding to declare that those in power are right and wrong. I would like to bring all this organized by certain forces to the camarilla under the need to comply with the law.

But this bill has another side. Will our law enforcement system be able to quickly and efficiently understand such rather complicated matters as transferring some information from someone to someone, which, one way or another, could be the reason for the shaking of the constitutional order? Will the court be able to give an unequivocal answer to the question of why someone took money from foreigners: were these classic commodity-money relations or relations with the rationale for receiving certain structures outside the country of state secrets?

Obviously, if we are guided by the provisions of objective law, here any self-respecting lawyer can simply mix these kinds of accusations, as they say, with filth. Most of the cases that will be brought up under such an article can simply crumble, unless, of course, it comes to the application of the judicial system that existed in our country in the 30-40-s.

The complexity of the new draft law lies in the fact that, in essence, it does not regulate what to consider as a situation aimed at hostile activities against the Russian Federation. Here there are such words as punishment for bribery, blackmail, forcing a person to extradite state secrets, abduction of these same state secrets. But if so, then it turns out that now even an ordinary pickpocket, who fished out, for example, a wallet from an employee of the Center for Nuclear Physics, and there was a crumpled piece of paper with a code from the front door to the laboratory, can get a term as a state traitor ... Prove it that he just wanted to profit by a couple thousand rubles, but he didn’t even know about the code, he is unlikely to succeed if the justice system uses, as is often the case in our country, the presumption of guilt.

Therefore, it is worth saying that real provocateurs and persons willing to use their position to transfer information about state interests to outsiders will hardly be affected by the changes in the Criminal Code. Well, if they touch, then law enforcement will have to collect a serious legislative base, disassemble a mountain of terminological garbage, and we don’t like to do this somehow. But people who, by virtue of their official duties, are forced to contact directly with representatives of foreign countries, the changes can be completely affected. Would this not be a kind of tool for eliminating unwanted politicians, businessmen and public figures? ..
After all, seeing a person as an a priori enemy is only because he comes in contact with representatives of foreign countries, this is somehow in the style of the end of the last century's 30 ...

In this regard, it is to be hoped that lawmakers accept the draft law proposed by the FSB consciously and, realizing that, if desired, certain individuals can work against everyone; against each of the legislators themselves, including ... By the way, it’s worth expecting that if the bill is adopted and signed, then a smaller number of politicians will have a desire to speak frankly with the press: you never know what they will say ...
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  1. INTER
    INTER 25 September 2012 08: 02
    +30
    It is necessary to restore order in the country, otherwise they say that they do what they want. And no one is responsible for anything. And Western lobbyists need to trim the wings that they spread after the collapse of the USSR, let them crawl. am
    1. afire
      afire 25 September 2012 09: 10
      +7
      Nooo, there’s nothing for them to dirty our land with them, let them get out of here!
      1. INTER
        INTER 25 September 2012 15: 04
        -1
        Quote: afire
        Nooo, there’s nothing for them to dirty our land with them, let them get out of here!

        But what an ideal option is, let the traitors rot in the damp land. wassat am
  2. Sasha 19871987
    Sasha 19871987 25 September 2012 08: 13
    +10
    Yes, it’s time for all sorts of scum to go to jail ... and the press is leaking a lot of superfluous ...
    1. tronin.maxim
      tronin.maxim 25 September 2012 12: 04
      +3
      Quote: sasha 19871987

      Yes, it’s time for all sorts of scum to go to jail ... and the press is leaking a lot of superfluous ...

      I think this will be the topic:
      1. tronin.maxim
        tronin.maxim 25 September 2012 12: 05
        0
        And this is also from this list:
        1. Weekend
          Weekend 25 September 2012 13: 55
          +3
          The less you know the better you sleep ;)
  3. Pula
    Pula 25 September 2012 08: 23
    +5
    Again, talking about the Law, which they want to fit into all. The traitor or provocateur must be judged by the judges. The law should only evaluate the legal framework for protecting a person, not a state. The state already has enough leverage to suppress dissent. A thief should be in prison.
  4. Dictator
    Dictator 25 September 2012 08: 41
    +14
    This law has long been lacking; in the Caucasus, many children died, because they leaked their information, so that the flag in hand, let the current bring to mind.
  5. Uruska
    Uruska 25 September 2012 08: 43
    +2
    In general, all this is not bad, but the time has come to seriously think about how to protect carriers of state secrets from the removal of information by psi operators.
  6. vylvyn
    vylvyn 25 September 2012 09: 02
    +6
    It is not necessary to pass stupid laws, which have always been spit on by everyone and which have never been implemented in Russia, but to improve the system of protection of state secrets. Under Stalin, so that our latest technologies would not float away to the intelligence services of foreign states, all valuable minds sat in "sharazhki" and camps under the vigilant supervision of the NKVD. Of course, times have changed long ago and such methods are unacceptable today, but our FSB should, instead of engaging in lawmaking, work better and increase the level of security of classified information in practice, and not on paper. And then recently, you only read in the news about how the FSB, FSO officers kidnap people or work as gunners at the same time, protect authorities, do not hesitate to transport drugs with weapons. In general, they would have worked as expected and with full dedication (people, after all, they are military and have sworn to the Motherland to serve without sparing their strength and life) and the question of protecting state secrets would not come up at all, because the protection would be the most reliable.
  7. Brother Sarych
    Brother Sarych 25 September 2012 09: 03
    +3
    The authorities ruined the fever - it will not bring to good ...
    If we rewrite the law for each revealed case, then no law will act ...
    1. dimanf
      dimanf 25 September 2012 10: 40
      0
      insanity of power grows stronger !!!!!
      it would be better for the collapse of the industry introduced a punishment.
      otherwise we even buy bricks in China.
      1. neri73-r
        neri73-r 25 September 2012 12: 34
        +5
        By the way, the bill from the opera voiced by you !!! The collapse of the industry for the most part has been adjusted and implemented by our guys under the guidance of their guys.
        1. dimanf
          dimanf 25 September 2012 13: 04
          +1
          and now who leads your guys?
      2. Fox 070
        Fox 070 25 September 2012 14: 15
        +4
        Quote: dimanf
        it would be better for the collapse of the industry introduced a punishment.

        Well, the collapse of industry is also suitable for "treason", so there is no smell of insanity here.
      3. hohryakov066
        hohryakov066 26 September 2012 07: 48
        0
        insanity of power grows stronger !!!!!

        For once, the authorities took care of protecting their secrets. And at once there began screams about trampling on freedom and "democracy"! A long time ago it was high time to introduce such responsibility, otherwise all sorts of "ecologists" are completely mortified! And the fears that for a secret that was accidentally stolen from the purse of a secret carrier, they will be jailed as for espionage, should be hammered into any head tightly, because you don’t fumble through other people's wallets! It is enough to put a couple of reptiles far away and for a long time, and the rest will be very thoughtful! The article as a whole is informative, but from the position of the author it strongly obscures liberalism.
  8. Gorchakov
    Gorchakov 25 September 2012 09: 16
    +3
    The sovereignty of the state as never before requires protection from attacks from the outside and attempts to explode political stability from within ... No country in the world has such a rampant Western intelligence service as in Russia ... Only those people who, directly or indirectly, were afraid of adopting laws on national security involved in the collapse of a great power and trade in state secrets ... The author of the article "shakes his pants", fearing that this law will affect everyone, including him ... I think that these measures to strengthen state security have long been ripe and today this is the most important problem in Russia destroyed by enemies. The article is ordered and I give the author a minus ...
    1. Volodin
      25 September 2012 13: 54
      +2
      The minus is quite acceptable, but the "custom article" is your personal speculation. You know that now you can go to jail for libel. wink
      1. Gorchakov
        Gorchakov 25 September 2012 14: 16
        -1
        To court? And I agree ... Though now ... And what I wrote is my thoughts, for which I am ready to bear responsibility .. laughing Yes, kid, learn the law !!! It's too late for me .... And also study the law on libel ....
        1. Volodin
          25 September 2012 14: 29
          +2
          "Boy" is your "jurists", apparently, a normal address ... You, my friend, boor, and even impersonal (apparently, there is something to hide - das-s?)
          1. Gorchakov
            Gorchakov 25 September 2012 15: 14
            +2
            Judging by your profile picture, you are thirty-five years younger than me ... In addition, I wrote my opinion on the article, and you threaten the colonel with a grill ... Learn the law. Examine what there is slander, learn the sanctions for slander, and then threaten ... About people like you, I read in the book of life a long time ago, trained a lot of smart guys and I can certainly distinguish a provocateur from a normal Russian .. I may have been rude, calling You are what I called you, maybe I'm in your eyes and a boor, but I'm not a provocateur, unlike you ... Go ahead, young man !!! Great deeds and listeners are waiting for you on Bolotnaya !!!
            1. Volodin
              25 September 2012 15: 47
              +1
              Respect those around you, and if provocateurs seem to be all around, this is already a diagnosis. You already do not understand the jokes (about the law with slander), comradely colonel. Well, for sure, retirement in vain do not give ... If you are already older than 35 for years, then you are a troll as a cheerful young man ...
              1. Gorchakov
                Gorchakov 25 September 2012 16: 21
                +4
                You wrote an article, I expressed my opinion ... You promised to put me in jail. Then, answering Fox, you write that you are for freedom of speech and the press, and you are threatening me with bars ... Let me doubt the authenticity of your words, because if that were so, then there would be no threats on your part ... And I am not a troll, but you are a troll, directing public opinion in the direction you need. It’s not me, but you are imposing your point of view on the rejection of this law to people ... Not me, but you do not respect people and criticism towards you .... They taught you and others like you to take into account only your point of view, it is the only one for you and the right one ... So where is the freedom of speech when you ignore someone else’s opinion and even threaten with bars ... If you are a supporter of the freedom of such a word, then I’m not only not going to respect you, but I will oppose by all means and means, so as not to allow those like you to power ... First, learn to respect yourself, and then they will reciprocate ....
                1. Volodin
                  25 September 2012 16: 35
                  0
                  Okay, get excited and that's enough. Well, they didn't understand each other, it happens ... I am the first to shake my hand. Continuing to find out who is good and who is "radish" - personally annoys me. If I offended you with anything, I beg your pardon, otherwise both have gone far. What do you think?
                  1. Volodin
                    25 September 2012 17: 11
                    0
                    It is clear ... Colonel did not accept the hands of a comrade. Insulted honor and all that ...
              2. Ruslan67
                Ruslan67 25 September 2012 20: 02
                +1
                Volodin! If provocateurs seem to be around you need to look around - suddenly you accidentally wandered into the swamp surrounded by provocateurs
                1. Volodin
                  25 September 2012 20: 46
                  -1
                  I thought that the topic of mutual reproaches was closed, but, apparently, many are tempted to warm up the conflict. Mr. Ruslan67 (in English) - we have already passed.
                  1. Ruslan67
                    Ruslan67 26 September 2012 02: 00
                    +1
                    it’s a pity that they didn’t appreciate the joke, but maybe it was an unsuccessful
      2. Fox 070
        Fox 070 25 September 2012 14: 26
        +3
        Quote: Volodin
        "Custom article" is your personal speculation.

        Alexey, hello! I will not argue that it was written to order, but for all the apparent significance and NEED of the aforementioned law, your attitude towards it is somewhat strange! I would even say that from him (the relationship) smacks of terry liberalism. Previously, this was not noticed by you. request
        1. Volodin
          25 September 2012 14: 43
          +3
          Felix, I gave my opinion. At the end of the article, I speak directly about what worries me personally (once again - me personally): from endless conversations about spy mania, many politicians will simply find themselves in the frame when they are unlikely to go to more or less frank interviews. And if there is no contact between politics and the press, then the reader will also lose. If it smacks of liberalism, then it turns out that readers only need "correct" and "well-balanced" articles. You can blame me, but I am for freedom of speech and for freedom of the press.
          1. Fox 070
            Fox 070 25 September 2012 16: 28
            +1
            Quote: Volodin
            You can blame me, but I am for freedom of speech and freedom of the press.

            God forbid me to reproach you with anything. And I'm not going to encroach on freedom of the press. But regarding frank interviews with politicians, the situation is (in my opinion) more complicated. A politician of any rank in its importance and degree of harm (or benefit) is comparable to a military leader and therefore must be aware of what, where and how he says. And then, high-ranking politicians have access to top secret documents, and their disclosure is, excuse me, a betrayal of the homeland.
            Well, about the loss of readers, I think that not everything is so gloomy.
          2. VAF
            VAF 25 September 2012 16: 33
            0
            Quote: Volodin
            Felix, I expressed my opinion.


            Alexey, I put + for your article, although the news ...... full ass "vaunted democracy"!
            All the shit came out in the INTERA comment, read it carefully and understand everything right away, but you already understood and know everything, but as an example ... graphic ... illustration .... and not photoshop, but quite real, existing and acting !!!! bully



            There is no need to explain anything further, I hope?

            And GORCHAKOV is right at all 1000%! soldier And my advantages to him, like you ..my!
            1. Ascetic
              Ascetic 25 September 2012 19: 55
              +5
              Quote: vaf
              There is no need to explain anything further, I hope?


              In 2006, Sukhoi and Alenia signed strategic partnership agreement according to a well-known project program SuperJet 100 (RRJ)
              ZAO Sukhoi Civil Aircraft (CJSC “GSS”; English name: SCA, Sukhoi Civil Aircraft) is a Russian company engaged in the development, production, marketing, training of flight personnel, after-sales services, including the supply of spare parts and equipment for civil aircraft. Full name - Closed Joint-Stock Company Sukhoi Civil Aircraft.
              OJSC “Sukhoi Company” owns 75% -1 share of GSS, Alenia Aeronautics - 25% + 1 share.
              In mid-January 2008, Russian President Vladimir V. Putin signed a decree allowing the Italian company Alenia Aeronautica, which claims 25% of the company’s shares, to enter its capital. [1] In early April 2009, Alenia bought back an additional issue of GSS shares for $ 183,1 million

              So do not confuse TWO DIFFERENT companies OJSC “Sukhoi Company”(100% of the shares are owned by United Aircraft Corporation.) A purely Russian holding and ZAO Sukhoi Civil Aircraft which includes Italian Alenia with 25 percent of the shares

              Sukhoi holds 15,2% in monetary terms and 19,9% ​​in quantitative terms of world exports of new multi-functional fighters from 2012 to 2015. It is planned to supply 109 new Su fighters in 2012-2015. totaling $ 5,45 billion. In money terms, Sukhoi ranks third, behind Lockheed Martin ($ 9,13 billion) and the Eurofighter consortium ($ 15,91 billion).
              1. VAF
                VAF 25 September 2012 21: 06
                -1
                Dear Ascetic. always sincerely believed that someone who, and you do not suffer from "childhood"?
                Or am I wrong? But it’s you yourself. personally wrote. or rather .... we were honoring the article. Well, at least they themselves read the text ???

                Quote: Ascetic
                Sukhoi holds 15,2% in monetary terms and 19,9% ​​in quantitative terms of world exports of new multi-functional fighters from 2012 to 2015. It is planned to supply 109 new Su fighters in 2012-2015. totaling $ 5,45 billion



                Or do you naively believe that the GSS and OAO Sukhoi company is ... all and all ... different ?????
                1. Ascetic
                  Ascetic 25 September 2012 21: 44
                  +3
                  Quote: vaf
                  Or do you naively believe that the GSS and OAO Sukhoi company is ... all and all ... different ?????


                  In my opinion everything is clear and understandable Sukhoi OJSC has 75 percent in the GSS

                  The composition of the holding "Sukhoi"
                  50% + 1 share of Sukhoi Design Bureau OJSC
                  75,23% of OJSC KnAAPO im. Yu. A. Gagarin ”(Komsomolsk-on-Amur)
                  78,32% OAO NAPO im. Chkalova (Novosibirsk)
                  71,99% Sukhoi Civil Aircraft CJSC just in the face of OAO Sukhoi
                  9,97% of OJSC "Corporation" Irkut "" (Irkutsk)
                  30,39% of OJSC TANTK im. G. M. Berieva "(Taganrog)

                  United Aircraft Corporation OJSC (UAC, JSC UAC) is a Russian aircraft manufacturing company uniting the largest aircraft manufacturing enterprises in Russia. Registered on November 20, 2006.
                  This corporation owns 100 percent of Sukhoi shares.
                  The state represented by the Federal Property Management Agency owns 83,18% of the shares of OJSC UAC, Vnesheconombank - 9,77%, and private shareholders (including the co-owners of Irkut [3]) - 7,05%

                  Sometimes it’s useful to rummage through Wiki to feel the difference. Is it really that hard to find such meaningful hints first of all a path in three pines and not wander between them in ignorance.
                  1. VAF
                    VAF 26 September 2012 01: 07
                    -1
                    Quote: Ascetic
                    Sometimes useful


                    Sometimes it’s useful at least once to visit the design bureau and the factory, to see for yourself where, what and how ... interacts!

                    This is a wish! wink
    2. Weekend
      Weekend 25 September 2012 14: 21
      +2
      I subscribe to your words! Why, as soon as the state tries to protect itself from the influence of external sources, they immediately start screaming about "FREEDOM", YES this freedom has already lifted, all this shit that is pouring out of the zombie box, which is pushing the multi-colored media hard. And the funny thing is, gentlemen, here you are discussing the issue of state. secrets and you, for example, have admission in any form? If not, then this law does not concern you in any way because you do not multiply contact with information representing the state. secret. In general, it would be necessary to also toughen and re-qualify "Medical secret" into "Medical secret", and amend the Federal Law of the Russian Federation of July 27, 2006 No. 152-FZ "On Personal Data", in order to bring to life those people who process our you personal data and for modest money distribute them in the form of ready-made "Bases"!
  9. baltika-18
    baltika-18 25 September 2012 09: 20
    +6
    The article is unlikely to help put things in order. The judicial system itself is slow and dependent. We also like money very much. Salaries of judges have been raised, and bribes have grown. But for the authorities it’s very convenient, just to go to court, all to court. And the judges who .
  10. AK-74-1
    AK-74-1 25 September 2012 09: 37
    +3
    Absolutely true bill. It is necessary to regulate the activities of NGOs related to foreign financing, it is necessary to have information on grants and research conducted by NGOs with foreign financing. In general, in cases with foreign financing, the principle of presumption of guilt of the person receiving the financing (transmitting information to the non-resident providing the financing) should be implemented. In addition, the principle of publicity of receiving information by non-residents funding NGOs should be implemented. That is, the study and the intended results of this study should be published in the federal media with the amount of remuneration for the study. And this is only one of the parties to the regulation of the bill.
  11. anchonsha
    anchonsha 25 September 2012 09: 39
    0
    Many are for the adoption of such a law, but there are people against it. Where is the middle that will suit everyone, or rather the majority of society? After all, both some and other people have motivated answers. After all, the law should serve the people, but not against it, and given that odious individuals are at the helm of power, then any protest (and there are plenty of such cases now) of people who disagree with something will be immediately suppressed. After all, Sakharov was once defamed for his views on power, and his protests were recognized only after the CPSU was deprived of power in the country.
    1. Gorchakov
      Gorchakov 25 September 2012 12: 01
      +5
      If the state does not have legislation to preserve this state, if the laws protect the rights of people who trade secrets of national security and contribute to the collapse of the country from the inside, if, under the auspices of democracy, the country is attacked in all directions, if provocateurs, pederasts and foreign agents of all stripes press through the media our special services, namely the FSB and the Ministry of Internal Affairs, if the FSB seized the right to confront enemy intelligence under the rule of Gorbachev, if now the representatives of the West openly call us geopolitical enemy No. 1, then laws to restore the FSB’s activity are more relevant than ever .... Yes , and more ... Tell me a country in the world that, through social networks, discusses the activities of the CIA, MI6, MI5, Mossad and others? I think that they will shut down the Internet faster than they will allow office plankton to discuss bills related to national security .... These bills terrify those who are willing to trade their homeland and its secrets ......
  12. Kite
    Kite 25 September 2012 09: 47
    0
    Something chaotic, state secrets and human rights activists on the same list? Often spies began to "mow" under human rights activists and "green letters"?
    Now many commercial companies work for the military customer, it is impossible for them to work without access to the technical specifications, and without tests at the development sites, they cannot be completed. Relations should be streamlined by an updated law, the introduction of personal responsibility, but without intimidation by travel restrictions for vacation.
    1. mongoose
      mongoose 25 September 2012 12: 27
      +2
      it’s no secret that special services are happy to use all sorts of humanitarian and environmental organizations as a roof for implementation
      1. Ascetic
        Ascetic 25 September 2012 18: 55
        +3
        Quote: mongoose
        it’s no secret that special services are happy to use all sorts of humanitarian and environmental organizations as a roof for implementation


        For example, I will give the methods of work of the KGB of the USSR with the Western press and journalists
        A small newspaper, subsidized by the KGB (in France, India or Japan), publishes a note made in the KGB or in the international department of the CPSU Central Committee. TASS this article, which no one would have noticed, is distributed around the world. Thus, it is already becoming material of international importance. In the leading Western countries there was not a single structure in the least serious, in which there would not be our agents, including, of course, the leading media in this series. The task of this agency as a whole, without particulars, is to obtain through them information on political problems and trends in the country. And to place their materials in the journal, because if it publishes Pravda, it’s one attitude, if, for example, the German Spiegel is completely different.
        The KGB in Moscow courted many foreign journalists. SPIEGEL, TIME, NEWSWICK, etc. Any journalist working in Moscow is forced to maintain some kind of relationship with the government. If he wants to receive exclusive information, he must also give something in return. This is a normal process: "You are me - I am you." It’s not necessary to be an agent, absolutely not, just you need to be in such a relationship when you can be used to put information beneficial to the state. Or misinformation.
        By a similar method, someone pulled the sensational film "Innocence of Muslims" out of oblivion and spread all over the world. his colleagues from the Champs Elysees on their readiness to start an intervention in Syria regardless of UN decisions. Now, naturally, the beginning of the intervention should at least be postponed indefinitely.
        God forbid me from any specific conclusions, but the analogy can be traced interesting.
  13. vorobey
    vorobey 25 September 2012 09: 52
    +10
    Indiscriminate sex leads to sexually transmitted diseases.

    Rough? But how politically vital. Now they will begin to think and protect themselves, and most think that they will generally refuse random connections while protecting themselves from sexual infection of the brain.

    Maybe then those in power will turn to face their country and the people knowing that no one is safe from the bunks. Tired of these hard workers of the State Department. Although you can provide a choice of time or an ice ax, it’s high time to thin out.
  14. not good
    not good 25 September 2012 09: 52
    +4
    No matter how good the law is, it should be equally strict towards everyone, But today there is a situation where for some the law is applied to the maximum, while others do not seem to notice. You can enact hundreds more good laws, but their application should be headed the principle of binding. Until the government understands this, it will be the same as with the fight against corruption, those who are smaller will be planted, and those who are not higher will be noticed,
  15. xmike
    xmike 25 September 2012 10: 00
    -1
    Hooray comrades !!
  16. understudy
    understudy 25 September 2012 10: 17
    +1
    When the authorities turn their gaze in the direction of a certain chela, the laws that we have are quite enough. And none of the hysterical cries of Western and local "common people" are taken into account. Do you need examples? Personally, I see behind the discussed bill a sort of ephemeral intimidation of those who have not yet decided on their political sympathies. "Law just in case." But it is impossible to foresee all these cases. Measures of influence on any bastard are still quite enough. The problem is those who will determine the measure of "bastardism" ... by conscience or by phone call.
    I believe that there are more egregious issues that really rock statehood and require their speedy resolution. And most importantly, this is corruption and the receipt of excess profits by dubious methods, the corruption of youth, parasitism, the continued stratification of society ...
    1. mongoose
      mongoose 25 September 2012 12: 28
      0
      a good example of gudkov, why invent pretentious cases for the "politicians"? they already have something to take, and do not substitute, do not betray the Motherland
  17. Isk1984
    Isk1984 25 September 2012 10: 39
    0
    The law of the times of Stalin defended the state, and the current amendments are silenced by the dissatisfied and not just a swamp riffraff, but by an ordinary person, you see this law, so that the serfs are not indignantly angry, the Chilean junta is direct, but the FSB didn’t interfere with the protection of the state secret bureaucrats and yes, their own department, which of the children lives and works abroad and which real estate, otherwise those who pour it there and pass the secret protection law ... Yes, the CIA with MI-6 are so happy that they have you always pull the recruiting material at hand at any time and everyone will bring you on a silver platter, then historians, after years, will be horrified how much our leadership reflected the interests of far from our people, a simple example: they accept amendments to the tax holidays for the oil industry, but there’s no one inside the country’s tariff increase schedule doesn’t cancel, and the small business will get the hell out of it, and gas prices will also rise ...
    1. mongoose
      mongoose 25 September 2012 13: 20
      0
      are you sure about that? or do you think that the motherland barking zhurnalyugi barking at the request of the Berezovsky, Gusinsky and other descendants of the flaming revolutionaries? lying about half as much?
    2. Weekend
      Weekend 25 September 2012 14: 24
      -1
      Quote: Isk1984
      and to an ordinary person, here you see this law, so that the serfs are indignantly indignant,

      Do not carry nonsense! To shut up slaves, the law on state secrets does not need to be adopted;) slightly different areas like BE.
      1. Isk1984
        Isk1984 25 September 2012 18: 28
        +1
        Ordinary workers can work at defense enterprises and see the mess going on there, and if he wants, he wants to tell the truth to the uterus, but don’t bother to cut him back, otherwise we understand you right now ... it’s kind of nonsense ... ... but since we give three years for dancing, but for killing 9, then there’s nothing to be surprised at ....
        1. Ruslan67
          Ruslan67 25 September 2012 20: 09
          +2
          I would agree with you if you didn’t mention 3 years for dancing, I would have put together a dozen of strict regimen for them so that others wouldn’t be in disbelief and every bl knew - it would also make a long and tedious forest splash
        2. Weekend
          Weekend 26 September 2012 08: 11
          -1
          Isk1984 did you work at a defense enterprise? Have you ever had access to state. a secret? If not, then there is no point in continuing communication on this topic.
    3. spok
      spok 26 September 2012 11: 46
      0
      Isk1984
      TRUTH IN YOUR WORDS.
      EVERYTHING IS EXACTLY THIS!
  18. Download Do Re Mi
    Download Do Re Mi 25 September 2012 11: 10
    +4
    It's time, normal law!
  19. d.gksueyjd
    d.gksueyjd 25 September 2012 11: 17
    +1
    It is high time to restore order in the country in relation to foreign agents, who, after the "democrats" came to power, openly began to wage an information war in Rossi and not only an information war. Respectable citizens are not afraid of anything, I think there will be no criminal prosecution for the told anecdote against the authorities. Let them be afraid - Novodvorsk, Sobchaks and others hiding behind the idea of ​​fighting the authorities, their selfish interest from foreign intelligence services and traitors to Russia.
  20. sergo0000
    sergo0000 25 September 2012 11: 35
    +6
    This bill should have been passed "the day before yesterday"! Then maybe Bulava could have been kept secretly. And the article is a minus. Alexey is too concerned about simple thieves, this is called reinsurance and liberal snot!
  21. Lyokha79
    Lyokha79 25 September 2012 11: 43
    +3
    It is high time to stir up this "swamp". There will be a lot of noise. The wave will rise so that mom does not grieve, but the law is needed. It is also important that it be balanced and directed against those who shake the country, and not against those who criticize the authorities on the matter.
  22. Goldmitro
    Goldmitro 25 September 2012 11: 43
    +1
    The unlimited management of the pro-Western liberal crap in Russia, which imposed new "market" values ​​on society, has led to the fact that a whole layer of people has taken shape for whom the main reference point and goal in life is making a profit, often at any cost. "Give the loot", "Live in high", "Take everything from life" - these are their slogans. What kind of patriotism, what state secrets, the interests of the country can we talk with them about? They are not like secrets, they are ready to sell their mother, if only they paid well for it. This is the basis for the formation of the 5th column! Therefore, it is high time to have such a law in order to counteract the decay of society, openly sponsored from over the hill. And so that people who are simply struggling with bureaucratic lawlessness and chaos do not fall under this law, for that there is a court, who must be distinguished by who is "hu".
  23. na76
    na76 25 September 2012 11: 51
    +2
    The problem is not a bad law or a good one, but the fact that in our country nifig laws do not work, or they do not work like that. It is necessary to adopt not cruel laws but enforceable ones. And so it turns out that there are a bunch of terrible laws that violate everything, because it’s not possible to violate them, it’s just that the laws are so oak, or life is like that, and the tech who sits upstairs simply terrorizes everyone with the possibility of punishment - do not rock the boat or you will sit down or lose everything: here they put Khodorkovsky and Lebedev - correctly, by the way, they completely put him to work, but then they should put all the rest of our current oligarchs too and they live happily ever after; or deprived one prominent deputy of a mandate here, just don’t tell me that they have at least 10% of the people in the Duma who cannot be kicked out for the same, but they’re not persecuting them, but now they will take us with fear to make us even deeper this swamp will drag.
    We each, everyone who has at least something, and who does at least something, can be planted, pinched, deprived of everything at any time, and this is most sad.
    I’m here to a neighbor on the site, recently, roughly, I voiced the same thoughts, so he told me that I’m not right, that he’s nothing to take away from him, and that these are sitting, and there are a lot of those who have nothing and who have nothing but a bottle it is necessary, only the more such there are, the less likely our country is to achieve something real, and those who want to do something are under the constant pressure of the system. The saddest thing is people are leaving the country, they are already leaving the institute group for the second time out of 2 people, 26 more families just familiar to everyone for about 2 plus or minus 30 years, all with higher education, many will say yes they let the bastards go away .. , since they do not like their homeland, they only leave, mainly young, educated, active, initiative people, if they don’t see such prospects in their own country, then this is very bad for them and for the country.
  24. icecat
    icecat 25 September 2012 12: 06
    +2
    Recently arrived from the Russian Federation. You know, I don't want it to be in my country as well. All that I have seen and heard from the stories of Russians can be described in one word - "BARDAK". May God grant that these amendments to the Criminal Code would somehow change the situation, at least by 1%. Otherwise, the Russians will roll back the country to the state of 1920-22 (the situation, not the scenery) with what is going on away from Moscow. Very sad and insulting for the "older brother"
  25. tan0472
    tan0472 25 September 2012 12: 06
    +2
    Services that must return traitors to their homeland, for trial, or for organizing a heart attack, poorly perform their duties.
    In this case, it is enough for the traitor to escape from the country and that's all ... live as you want.
    1. Weekend
      Weekend 25 September 2012 14: 31
      +1
      Quote: tan0472

      Services that must return traitors to their homeland, for trial, or for organizing a heart attack, poorly perform their duties.

      Here, even, as it were, not so much "perform their duties poorly", but after the destructive rule of EBN (One story with "Vympel" is worth something), they are only reviving and starting to work;).
      1. Isk1984
        Isk1984 25 September 2012 20: 10
        0
        EBN ruled 13 years ago, it’s time for a hedgehog 7-8 years ago to recover ....
        1. Weekend
          Weekend 26 September 2012 08: 16
          +1
          Eh (((respected for 7-8 years, you can’t even restore / develop a football team, and the SVR units and their agent network may just begin to recruit / train candidates.
          1. spok
            spok 26 September 2012 11: 56
            +1
            That's for sure. At one time, everything was destroyed and accelerated so well that there is nothing to restore, it is necessary to build from scratch.
        2. spok
          spok 26 September 2012 11: 53
          0
          THAT'S FOR SURE!
          SYSTEM MAKES ABORTION PERIODICALLY PERIODICALLY!
          OR HER MISSION?
          WELL DON'T GIVE IT TO RESTORE!
  26. dmb
    dmb 25 September 2012 12: 15
    +5
    If you write about something, then you should at least consult, so as not to carry nonsense. But for modern journalism, this is very rare. Here and again, Mr. Volodin pleased with the know-it-all, bordering on illiteracy. Firstly. Why is the new draft being compared with Article 58, and not with the current Criminal Code or the Criminal Code of the RSFSR of 1960, or, say, the Cathedral Code? The fact is that, given the general propensity of today's journalists to superficiality, this comparison requires analysis. And here everything is just bloody Stalin with repressions, and even sane commentators begin to think about stifling freedoms. I want to calm them down. No strangulation is expected. The proposed project is quite clearly defined. in what cases will citizens be responsible, FORCING, to divulge the state secret. So Volodin's example with a nuclear physicist's wallet speaks only of his legal illiteracy. From the same series and his thoughtful conclusion that the bill is supposed to punish for contacts with foreigners. Where Volodin read this, one can only guess. After all, we are only talking about the fact that a citizen of the Russian Federation, causing harm to his country, will be responsible not only if he spies for the United States, but also for the benefit of, say, al-Qaeda. or the Soros Foundation. By the way, if anyone does not know, the damage from industrial espionage. committed in favor of any transnational corporation may be much more than Saakashvili's message that he was called a donkey in the Russian Foreign Ministry. The only thing that can be agreed in the article is the "incompleteness" of our judicial community, but this is a completely different story.
    1. Denzel13
      Denzel13 25 September 2012 12: 51
      +3
      Dmitry DMB is a huge plus, those who are close to jurisprudence will understand. Our legislation is full of holes and collisions - this draft law may (because it is not yet clear how it will work and whether the article will be "dead") will eliminate some shortcomings. And the groaning about "strangling freedoms" is nonsense, since it is not legislation that is stifling, but how the bodies carrying out operational-search activities, preliminary investigation and courts use it in their own interests. As DMB wrote above, this is a completely different story.
    2. Volodin
      25 September 2012 13: 57
      0
      This is a worthy answer for the all-knowing and super-competent readers. (well, since the journalists are here, then ...)
  27. neri73-r
    neri73-r 25 September 2012 12: 29
    +2
    as often happens in our country, the presumption of GUILTY.


    Aftar is far from jurisprudence and the reality of the situation in the judicial system.
  28. ivachum
    ivachum 25 September 2012 14: 01
    +4
    "Only in the 58th article there was nothing about assistance to foreign organizations in carrying out hostile activities on their part against the statehood of the country. In the new draft law, which was considered by Russian legislators, there are such points."

    Well, why ...

    58-1. Definition of counter-revolutionary activity.
    "Any action aimed at overthrowing, undermining or weakening the power of the workers 'and peasants' councils and ... the governments of the Union of Soviet Socialist Republics, union and autonomous republics, or to undermining or weakening the external security of the Union of Soviet Socialist Republics and the main economic, political and national gains of the proletarian revolution is recognized as counter-revolutionary."

    58-3. Contacts with a foreign state for "counter-revolutionary purposes" or its individual representatives, equally promoting in any way a foreign state that is in a state of war with the USSR or waging a struggle against it by intervention or blockade is punished under article 58-2.

    58-4. Assistance to the "international bourgeoisie", which does not recognize the equal rights of the communist system, seeking to overthrow it, as well as social groups and organizations under the influence or directly organized by this bourgeoisie, in carrying out activities hostile to the USSR: the punishment is similar to Article 58-2

    58-5. Declination of a foreign state or any public groups in it, to declare war, armed intervention in the affairs of the USSR or other hostile actionsin particular: to the blockade, to the seizure of state property, breaking diplomatic relations and other aggressive actions against the USSR: punishment similar to article 58-2

    58-10. Propaganda or agitation calling for the overthrow, undermining or weakening Soviet power or to commit certain counter-revolutionary crimes (Articles 58-2 - 58-9), as well as distribution or production or storage of literature of the same content entail - imprisonment for a term of not less than six months.
    The same actions during mass unrest or using religious or national prejudices of the masses, or in a military situation, or in areas declared martial law: the punishment is similar to Article 58-2.


    58-11. Any kind of organizational activity aimed at preparing or committing crimes provided for in this chapter, is equated with the commission of such and is prosecuted by the criminal code under the relevant articles.

    58-12. Failure to report reliably known, impending or perfect counter-revolutionary crime: from 6 months in prison.

    By the way, one now well-known punk band could go 58-10 drinks
  29. uizik
    uizik 25 September 2012 15: 35
    +1
    The article was clearly not written by a lawyer. It is not necessary to lump everything together, the 58th and the adopted now. Strengthening of responsibility is necessary, and so in the country there is complete "democracy" - a mess. No freedoms are infringed, everything is done in the interests of the country. Howls about Stalinism - the cry of rotten Italy with white flags-bows
  30. Uncle
    Uncle 25 September 2012 15: 39
    +1
    the state decided to take revenge on overly active opposition movements for all the "March of Millions", "Control Walks" and other actions that had such a clear goal as weakening the role of the current government in the country. And correctly decided.
    that in 2008, Medvedev, adhering to fairly liberal principles in politics, sent for revision. He was tortured by his liberalism, thank God, was replaced, barely waited.
    Will our law enforcement system be able to quickly and efficiently understand such rather complex cases as transmitting from someone someone some information that, one way or another, could cause the shaking of the constitutional order? What's so complicated? The defendants in the case are known to everyone, they were so unbelted from Impunity that they act quite openly.
    whether it was a classic commodity-money relationship or whether it was a relationship with the background of certain structures outside the country of state secrets.
    Loosening the state system and state secrets, I would not tie together. Shares of snacks and walks along the boulevard cannot be compared with the sale of military technology to the West.
    And anyway, when will the order be? When state TV channels will stop throwing mud at our homeland, rotting children and youth with vile programs, and fucking their brains with advertising. When will it be possible to be proud not only of the past of our country, but also of its present?
    1. d.gksueyjd
      d.gksueyjd 25 September 2012 16: 13
      +4
      What can you do, for 20 years of the formation of "democracy" in Russia - there is nothing to be proud of! If anyone is against, name (please do not name the throw in Kosovo on the remains of fuel)! I want to be proud of my Motherland, as I was proud of living in the USSR. Now B. Berezovsky lives quietly on the money stolen from the people, Serdyukov is destroying the Armed Forces, Fursenko has failed education, the Zurab people have health care. Chubais, Gaidar and Yeltsin robbed an entire state, etc. When comes responsibility for the crimes committed
      1. Uncle
        Uncle 25 September 2012 17: 05
        0
        Quote: d.gksueyjd
        When is the responsibility for the crimes committed

        Not them, so their children will answer. Remember the children of Suslov and Brezhnev, you will not envy.
        1. Nicola
          Nicola 25 September 2012 20: 28
          0
          Maybe they will answer, but not us. Not our children and grandchildren will not live humanly. Tired of believing in a bright future.
      2. Nicola
        Nicola 25 September 2012 20: 24
        0
        These people built a feudal state and want to remain untouchable as long as possible. They saw and will continue to saw the country. Many more will come up with various threats and laws that protect against any encroachments of the so-called electorate. The new law will not protect anything, they will simply hide those who disagree in very remote places. It is not in vain that anyone who has the opportunity to flee the country. An interesting replica of Medvedev (as president) has more than half of the government has dual citizenship. The main, now operating sawmills of the budget, will fly home, at any time. And these same people take more and more new laws. I don’t believe them for some reason. Self-interest is everywhere. Everything is ruined by them, and they shout- keep a foreign agent, that is. Vanka from the street
      3. spok
        spok 26 September 2012 12: 09
        0
        NEVER. AT EXISTING MODE.
  31. gusev_sa
    gusev_sa 25 September 2012 20: 41
    0
    Volodin-liberalist and liberal articles issues.
    Here he writes about justice of the 30s and 40s. This is horror, apparently from his point of view.
    By the way, then 10% of acquittals were handed down by the courts; for comparison, now we have 0,5%.
    Justice was normal. The Stalinist state and the laws of that state protected the country and normal citizens from parasites and scum.
    1. Volodin
      25 September 2012 20: 53
      0
      Well, firstly, this is an insult, which according to the rules of the site is clearly not encouraged (and if you read articles more often, then I assure you would know better about Volodin and about the rules of communication between intelligent people). Secondly, once again I am convinced that if the opinion of the reader and the author is different, then many of the publics simply cannot do without insults. But tell me, you will like it, if for your opinion I call you someone's henchman or ordinary cattle. I think not ... Therefore, before you rivet insults - think that they will not add you success in life.
  32. DIMS
    DIMS 25 September 2012 21: 00
    0
    Dear author, have you read the text of the bill? Just wondering.
  33. Volodin
    25 September 2012 21: 05
    0
    I hope that you also read it and made your conclusions. The conclusions of the author in the material.
    1. DIMS
      DIMS 25 September 2012 21: 07
      0
      Do you think that the clarification of articles of the Criminal Code is a movement towards the notorious article 58? For me, it's the other way around, the less clearly spelled out, the more opportunities for "extended interpretation"
      1. Uncle
        Uncle 25 September 2012 21: 54
        +1
        .
        Quote: DIMS
        the less clearly spelled out, the more opportunities for "extended interpretation"
        Lawyers need to be taken with hedgehogs and put in a state of siege, because this intellectual bastard often fouls. IN AND. Lenin.
  34. Magadan
    Magadan 26 September 2012 01: 20
    +1
    It is clear that you can accidentally fall under the enemy of the people, although you stole, say, not a state secret, but accidentally with your wallet pulled out a new nuclear bomb scheme. So what's next? It’s a pity such a pickpocket, but not to hell on someone else’s wallets to climb. Unlucky - his problems, hi sits for life means. Such, damn it, selyavy.
    Quote: Uncle
    Lawyers need to be taken with hedgehogs and put in a state of siege, because this intellectual bastard often fouls. IN AND. Lenin

    I do not like Lenin, but it is said well
  35. adolph1
    adolph1 26 September 2012 11: 34
    0
    The entire policy was governed by the famous foggy albion !!! But the revolution in Russia and the Troubles in particular has not ended since 1917. And if you are objectionable to the system, they will kill you, put you in prison, or send you to a psychiatric hospital and in a couple of miracles of injections you will be a vegetable!
  36. spok
    spok 26 September 2012 12: 12
    0
    FSB cleaning should be started from its own ranks and leaks will stop