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Standing on the Ugra 2.0: what can be agreed with the West without war

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Photo: Russian Ministry of Defense


Trying to hear the obvious


The leaders of the NATO countries frequented Moscow. First, Macron tried to win "peacemaker" points in the election race, now Chancellor Olaf Scholz has come to the Kremlin. Vladimir Putin talked with the first for five hours, with the second for only three, but in both cases the dialogue did not go very well. With such results and such a distance between the leaders (in the truest sense of the word), it was possible to hold negotiations in an online format.

However, the very fact of building a line of dialogue between Russia and Europe already inspires confidence that the West has heard the demands after all. Unfortunately, the Kremlin has recently had to talk to foreign "colleagues" from a position of strength.

In any planning, it is necessary to take into account the possible moves of the enemy. In its confrontation with NATO, Russia initially placed itself in a privileged position, putting forward unfeasible demands - to withdraw the bloc's forces to the 1997 lines and guarantee non-expansion to the east.

From the very beginning it was clear that Brussels and Washington would not accept these conditions. But the Kremlin's response was difficult to predict - the so-called "black swans" have always been the calling card of the country's leadership.

At the same time, the moment of presenting the ultimatums was chosen by Moscow as an opportune moment, although there were some paradoxes here as well.

On the one hand, the build-up of NATO's presence in Europe began even before Biden. Deliveries of lethal weapons Trump also started in Ukraine, he initiated the nuclear arms race, made scandals in NATO due to shortfalls in funds and, to put it simply, rowdy in the military-political space. Moscow appreciated Donald's provocations inside the country when he failed to get re-elected - one storming of the White House was worth something.

In general, talking with Trump in a raised voice and with bared daggers was clearly dangerous. The former financial tycoon is impulsive and prone to making rash decisions. Including a military one - everyone remembers his Tomahawk strike on Syria only because of his daughter's hysteria about Assad's "chemical attack."

Old Biden is more adequate in this sense, although he confuses Ukraine, Syria and Afghanistan in conversations. In addition, the current US president's portfolio of unresolved tasks includes China's growing nuclear potential, an internal crisis in the country, and a rumpled image due to their flight from Afghanistan. Despite publicly insulting Putin (“whoever calls names, that’s what they call”), Biden extended the START-3 Treaty and still has not blocked Nord Stream-2.

So the Kremlin decided that this character can be put under pressure without fear of the degradation of relations to the state of nuclear war. In this sense, Trump was very similar to the current Ukrainian leader Zelensky. It was better not to have a dialogue with the first from a position of strength, and it was not worth talking to the second at all because of incompetence. Unsurprisingly, Trump is a businessman accustomed to going all-in, while Zelensky is just a retired comedian. Both have a very indirect relationship to big politics.

It is noteworthy that Biden is so uninitiative and cautious that in the current aggravation he did not even try to project force on Russian partners. How welcome would be military actions somewhere in Syria, demonstrating the determination of the United States. But no, only the already unfortunate Ukrainian people decided to intimidate.

Biden the peacemaker


Not only the leaders of France and Germany flew to Moscow to seek permission, but Joe Biden also turned to the Russians on the evening of February 15. The speech turned out to be unexpectedly optimistic. The President of the United States, in particular, said:

“We do not threaten the Russians and do not want destabilization in Russia. I appeal to the citizens of Russia - you are not our enemies. And I do not believe that anyone wants a bloody and destructive war against Ukraine, a country with which you have such close ties, a common история and culture. 77 years ago, our peoples fought side by side to end the worst war in history."

Do you feel mood swings?

Suffice it to recall the "sanctions from hell" with which Biden, even before he was president, threatened Russia. Or about the threat of technological sanctions aimed precisely at the quality of life of ordinary Russians. And now Biden remembered the joint struggle of Russians and Americans with the Nazis. The only thing left to do is glimpse…

It seems that the old man with the company in the White House exhaled in unison and with relief after the failed Russian offensive on Kiev on February 15th. Biden, in his speech, reached the point of the previously unthinkable - he told the country that possible sanctions against Russia could ruin the life of the Americans themselves. And this is a new stage in the development of the situation. It is also important to note the clear absence of victorious rhetoric in the words of the American president. He does not perceive the withdrawal of Russian forces that has begun as a sign of weakness in the Kremlin, at least not yet.

The Kremlin's response, voiced by Dmitry Peskov, is also unusually conciliatory:

“We can welcome that the President of the United States, one of the largest countries in the world, one of the most powerful states, really thinks about the Russian people. This, perhaps, should impress us. Of course, we would prefer, however, not to listen to various threats about what will happen to us if we do something there that we are not going to do.

Is it time to celebrate victory?


"Standing on the Ugra 2.0", which is so aptly called the current crisis on the borders of Ukraine, ends with an obvious profit for Russia. Without imitation of a large-scale offensive by forces fleet and the ground forces, the conversation with the NATO countries did not develop. Recall last year, when Russia defiantly broke off relations with the North Atlantic Alliance, expelled the information bureau and the NATO military mission from Moscow. This is a typical diplomatic demarche, signaling to the "partners" that something urgently needs to be changed in the relationship. It did not work - there was no progress.

The second phase of the actions of Russian diplomacy resulted in Russia's December proposals to roll back the alliance's forces several hundred kilometers to the west. Again, they did not understand and did not take steps towards. It remains only, as Biden said, to concentrate up to 150 fighters on the border, so that they still sit down at the negotiating table.

What can be expected from the coming détente in Russia-NATO relations? It's easier to say what not to expect.

It is not worth waiting for some fundamental agreements in the manner of "guarantees of non-expansion of NATO." Firstly, the West is not ready to lose its reputation, and secondly, all these agreements on paper are worthless. The history of compliance with the "Molotov-Ribbentop Non-Aggression Pact" is the clearest confirmation of this. Only agreements can be seriously considered, the execution of which can be checked by sudden inspections. For example, free access to Romanian and Polish Mk-41 installations, in which on paper there is an anti-missile Standard Missile 3, but potentially there may be Tomahawks.

We must be ready, in turn, to provide access to our Iskanders, so that our “colleagues” can sleep peacefully. The Americans already stuttered about this when they proposed resuming the dialogue on the control of medium-range and shorter-range missiles. In general, if you carefully look at the response letter of the Americans to the Russian ultimatum, then there are much more proposals for dialogue in it than negative ones. And there are no less diplomatic negotiations here for a couple of years ahead.

The bottom line is only one bitter pill - Russia at the beginning of 2022 spent its last argument in forcing the West to talk on an equal footing. Will the hotheads of the North Atlantic Alliance believe in the seriousness of the Kremlin's intentions when the Russian army and navy are once again concentrated on the western frontiers? Or will preventive strikes, which our hotheads have already demanded so much, already be needed for this?
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  1. Far B
    Far B 20 February 2022 05: 23
    +61
    In the confrontation with NATO, Russia initially placed itself in a privileged position, putting forward unfeasible demands - to withdraw the bloc's forces to the 1997 borders.
    Wow. I, out of my own stupidity, always thought that putting forward demands that were impossible to fulfill in advance was a sign of inadequacy, but it’s out there, Mikhalych. It turns out that this is a way to put yourself in a privileged position.
    At that time, the to-do list for tomorrow is:
    1. come to the employer and demand that he sharply raise my salary to 1 million rubles. In a day;
    2. require the wife to go to bed a virgin every night;
    3. demand from the body that it does not bother me with the liver, lower back, headache and other nonsense;
    4. demand from banks that they forgive my loans...
    The list can be continued indefinitely.
    And, here they suggest that they will put me in a fool for all this. BUT! they also suggest that this is a channel in big politics, but in the life of a simple layman - figs there. Pity, very pity. I just got into a frenzy.
    the actions of the Kremlin were difficult to predict - the so-called "black swans" have always been the calling card of the country's leadership
    Tochnyak. The population of the country feels this especially clearly. Right now I can name a couple of such "swans": "pension reform", raising VAT ... If you remember, then the list for a whole novel the size of "War and Peace" will be typed.
    But in fact, when the actions of someone (including the leadership of a country) become difficult to predict, this also speaks of only one thing - inadequacy.
    1. AUL
      AUL 20 February 2022 05: 39
      +13
      Quote: Dalny V
      Wow. I, out of my own stupidity, always thought that putting forward demands that were impossible to fulfill in advance was a sign of inadequacy, but it’s out there, Mikhalych. It turns out that this is a way to put yourself in a privileged position.

      Absolutely agree. You also need to know how to bluff. Otherwise, just make people laugh.
      1. Aerodrome
        Aerodrome 20 February 2022 05: 56
        +27

        "Standing on the Ugra 2.0", which is so aptly called the current crisis on the borders of Ukraine, ends with an obvious profit for Russia.
        I already choked on tea ... again "victory" ..? what will "break off" us? taxes will be removed idiotic, or housing and communal services will be taken for "gills"? or the prices in networkers will be adequate for "manure"?
        1. Doccor18
          Doccor18 20 February 2022 09: 40
          +16
          Quote: Aerodrome
          ..what will "break off" us? taxes will be removed idiotic, or housing and communal services will be taken for "gills"? or prices in networkers will be adequate for "dung"?

          Yes, yes, blessed are those who believe...

          The former financial tycoon is impulsive and prone to making rash decisions. Including a military one ... Old Biden is more adequate in this sense ...

          How funny it is when they exaggerate the role of the individual in modern politics, overestimate the role of politics in the economy and underestimate the role of the economy in politics...
        2. Hypertension
          Hypertension 20 February 2022 11: 27
          +12
          Quote: Aerodrome
          or prices in chains will be adequate

          Or...
          Producers in the Russian Federation began to reduce the volume of product packaging in order to contain prices.
          According to the interlocutor of the edition, Nestle's assortment now includes Rossiya chocolate weighing 82 grams (previously the weight was 85 grams). Danone's Activia drinkable yoghurts have dropped from 270g to 260g. Makfa has introduced pasta in 400g packs instead of the usual 450g, and Heineken has begun offering beer in a 0,43-liter can, the source said.

          With chocolate "Russia" it turns out especially cynically ...
        3. TermNachTer
          TermNachTer 20 February 2022 13: 11
          +15
          Do you think your life is bad? Come to Ukraine, live for a couple of months, you will understand that Russia is an impossible dream. Imagine that if Russia now "turns on the back" - everything will immediately work out and there will be "peace, friendship, chewing gum"?))) There wasn’t, there won’t be. The collective West did not need the USSR (Russia), because it is large and has many resources. In the same way, Russia is not needed, for the same reasons. And the West has always worked for the collapse of Russia and will not stop until it either destroys it or breaks itself.
          1. Revival
            Revival 20 February 2022 14: 16
            +1
            Favorite excuse!
            There are worse! And this is an achievement!
            Let me, according to your logic, give you more reasons to be proud ... and the fact that everything is Ukraine, yes Ukraine ..
            But in Yemen, right?
            But in North Korea...
            People do not appreciate self-care
            1. TermNachTer
              TermNachTer 20 February 2022 17: 15
              +9
              This is not an excuse. I live in Ukraine, and my godfather in Nizhny Novgorod left because there was no work - a computer scientist))) There is nothing to even compare how Russia lives under sanctions and how Ukraine lives, which is helped by "the whole world". Everything is known in comparison - someone has stale bread, and someone has small diamonds, but both are unhappy)))
              1. Pivot
                Pivot 20 February 2022 20: 30
                +2
                This is a person who always lacks something, I spend a lot of time in Europe, there are also a lot of dissatisfied people, many houses see only the bad and in another place only the good, in a couple of years people in the new place see the bad too, such is the essence of man
                1. Kushka
                  Kushka 21 February 2022 00: 00
                  +2
                  What is good where we are not?
                  So we'll get there right now!
              2. Revival
                Revival 20 February 2022 21: 06
                -3
                Yes, but there is one caveat.
                We seem to be equal to being a Superpower, but how to measure the standard of living, so Ukraine and Zimbabwe at once ..
                It is strange, but I have not heard any arguments from the authorities in the United States, such as "how well you live with me, even a little better than in North Korea, etc. ..".
            2. p0pulivox
              p0pulivox 20 February 2022 17: 59
              -2
              Sergei! You're wrong, that's not their favorite excuse! It's just stupid propaganda... lol
          2. 72jora72
            72jora72 20 February 2022 17: 08
            +2
            Come to Ukraine
            And in Africa, blacks are starving .... (c)
            1. TermNachTer
              TermNachTer 20 February 2022 20: 37
              +1
              I don’t worry about blacks, but in Ukraine people really starve and die, including from diseases, because there is no money for a hospital and medicine.
              1. Kushka
                Kushka 21 February 2022 00: 18
                -4
                Lie, do not lie.
                On Tuesday, I took my wife (64 g) to the hospital -
                (gallstones) on Tuesday and operated on
                (in a new way, without abdominal surgery - four small
                punctures in different places of the abdomen). Picked it up on Friday, on the way
                got up to "accompany" the surgeon in his clinic.
                The surgeon who performed the operation also called there.
                No money was paid anywhere. The hospital is bright and comfortable.
                "As a gift" a tablespoon of stones, they look like buckwheat.
                My wife has 1000 hryvnia virtual card in her smartphone for
                vaccination. 300 hryvnia "spent" in a pharmacy on funds
                home care - bandage, cotton wool, alcohol, iodine, disposable bandages, etc.
                Not the capital - a town in the center of Ukraine (230 thousand)
                We are sitting at home, learning how to cook broccoli, egg white soufflé,
                You can half a banana and drink a lot.
                1. TermNachTer
                  TermNachTer 21 February 2022 13: 26
                  +1
                  So maybe you don’t live in Banderland, but in the USA))) there are a lot of people who love Banderland very much, but only from afar)))
                  1. Kushka
                    Kushka 21 February 2022 14: 58
                    +1
                    And sho, it's not clear from the IP address what it is
                    Kropyvnytskyi (former Kirovograd)?
                    Although, I'm not strong in geography, maybe in
                    The USA is such a city. Is there there
                    Odessa.
              2. Kushka
                Kushka 21 February 2022 00: 33
                -6
                but in Ukraine people are really starving and dying,
                OUTSTANDING LIE!!!!
                I am 70 (in March) My wife is 54 (yesterday) I work as a signalman (11500 in my hands)
                + pension 5800. Wife works as a storekeeper, 0,5 rate - 3000 +
                pension 2500. We have FOUR children - a daughter and three sons - ALL WORK
                and live normally - dressed, shod, housing, cars. Well, all sorts
                tsatski computer. Grow FOUR grandchildren together (from 8 to 19).
                Everywhere, people around us - at work, at the entrance - dozens, hundreds -
                WHO IS HUNGRY? WHERE DIE?
                Come to me! Point your finger!
                DO YOU HAVE A CONSCIENCE?
                1. TermNachTer
                  TermNachTer 21 February 2022 13: 04
                  +2
                  Look at the official (very false) statistics on Banderland - mortality and birth rates. Pension - UAH 5? Where do such nishtyaki come from?))) Mom worked all her life in a foundry - 800, and then, it was recently added, it was 2. Free advice to Kuev propagandists - when you lie, then lie at least close to the truth))) Why didn’t fairy tales sound that utility tariffs in Banderland are the lowest in the world?))))
                  1. TermNachTer
                    TermNachTer 21 February 2022 13: 24
                    +2
                    PS Regarding affordable medicine))) chipped in to a work colleague. They removed a ventral hernia, I suffered for a long time, but lately it has become completely unbearable. All together, almost 14 thousand UAH. His monthly salary. What about paying rent? What about eating? And the sick leave will be given in two or three months. You citizens can lie to those who live in Russia, they do not know our realities. And the locals are "fading" with your nonsense)))
                  2. Kushka
                    Kushka 21 February 2022 14: 13
                    +1
                    Caught? I confess - I lied in a hurry.
                    I open the last SMS (pension on the 23rd)
                    Verbatim:
                    21.01.2022
                    ACNT 262035-00
                    Sum 5779,03 UAN
                    Zarakhuvannia pennsiinih vyplatu
                    Lied a little?
                    Where are these goodies from?)))
                    born 1952 I have been working since 1969. I retired in 2012, but I still work - 53 years of experience. All my life, (including in the Navy 1971-1974) - signalman (BCH 4)
                    Today these are optical communication channels (VOC) of the Internet (GPON), local area networks of companies and institutions (LAN). It was time to work in
                    two or three companies. Today in one, not the health of the stairs
                    jump and climb ceilings - in March, 70 tons will be.
                    By the way, I’m waiting for indexation in March, I didn’t understand that Wax was surprised.
                    (banks, trading houses, etc.).
                  3. Kushka
                    Kushka 21 February 2022 14: 29
                    -1
                    Tariffs nowhere and no one likes.
                    One German was asked, incl. for water.
                    Answered - even if I'm on vacation for
                    skiing in Switzerland and find out what's DRIPPING
                    faucet, interrupt vacation.
                    As for me personally, I pay for our
                    with his wife kopeck piece with autonomy in winter 1400-1600 UAH.
                    The eldest two sons already have mustaches, one sold
                    house in the suburbs, bought an apartment and managed himself.
                    The middle one lives in a private house on the part of his wife and
                    everything is fine too. But the smaller one I still "nurse"
                    Settled in my father's house in the private sector and cry
                    for him a communal apartment - in the winter about 3000 UAH.
                    Once again 11500 ZP +5800 P they allow me to do this, but in the summer
                    and even more so.
                  4. Kushka
                    Kushka 21 February 2022 14: 55
                    +1
                    My wife had exactly the same as your mother - it was 2200,
                    became 2400. Born in 1958 - worked from school, i.е. same way
                    like me - since 1988 - 54 years of experience. And what side is it
                    to my situation? If the basis of the pension "sits" Soviet "
                    salary, no matter what it is, and no matter how much experience,
                    sense 0- pension for any will be small.
                    I "scored" in my pension only the gross salary, i.e. after
                    1991 I collected TWO sets of documents just for business
                    in 2012 One "Soviet", for the 7 best years, when
                    I earned up to 230 rubles. And the second "Ukrainian" - for the last five
                    years, i.e. 2008-2012. I bring it to the pension and give it to the inspector.
                    She looked at both and said to throw out the first one - it is 7 years old,
                    seven columns of 12 positions (months) and strange numbers in UAH.
                    0 kopecks, 02 kopecks, up below total for the year 0,03 UAH. And the whole document
                    says that (name earned for a period (7 years) - 0,17 UAH.
                    THOSE. I'm in the USSR FOR SEVEN YEARS, GETTING 230 rubles per month
                    (7 x 12 = 84 months) EARNED 17 KOPEKS IN HRYVNA!???
                    Well, what would be the pension? So this set of documents
                    and has been lying around in my archive since 2012, as a keepsake, as an assessment of my
                    labor contribution to the USSR - 17 kopecks.
              3. Kushka
                Kushka 21 February 2022 00: 47
                +2
                They brought me, even to my wife in the second post
                took off for 10 years. God bless her!
          3. ViacheslavS
            ViacheslavS 20 February 2022 22: 20
            -10
            Come to Ukraine, live for a couple of months, you will understand that Russia is an impossible dream.


            Moscow, of course, and the average Kharkov, Odessa will not be much worse (not a pipe dream) of the average Novosibirsk, Voronezh.

            And the West has always worked for the collapse of Russia and will not stop until it either destroys it or breaks itself.


            The West is very different, what specific West are you talking about? And is it the West in Russia who put the head, the traffic police who built a palace with golden toilets, or Western bandits from the professional military received tribute? The West is not to blame for the corruption in Russia.
            1. TermNachTer
              TermNachTer 20 February 2022 23: 27
              +3
              Kharkov or Odessa not much worse?))) In Odessa, people have already protested against utility tariffs, while there were few of them. Ask the residents of Kharkiv what part of their salary they give for housing and food?
              1. Mordvin 3
                Mordvin 3 20 February 2022 23: 36
                -1
                Quote: TermNachTER
                Ask the residents of Kharkiv what part of their salary they give for housing and food?

                Well, what?
                1. TermNachTer
                  TermNachTer 21 February 2022 13: 30
                  0
                  Go to the official websites, everything is painted there - sq. m. of heating, a cold cube, a hot cube, a gas cube, etc. The prices of retail chains are also on the Internet "Silpo" or ATB. The official average salary for Banderland or Kharkov and the region is also on the Internet. Here, count. I would like to point out to you right away that Kharkiv, by the standards of Ukraine, is not a cheap city.
                  1. Mordvin 3
                    Mordvin 3 21 February 2022 15: 08
                    0
                    And why should I go to sites, you are hinting at horrors here. If anything, then half my salary goes for a communal apartment, for one heating three rubles, for January, I laid out 6,5 thousand.
                    1. TermNachTer
                      TermNachTer 21 February 2022 18: 44
                      +1
                      Well, without websites, a two-room "Khrushchev" in Zaporozhye, for January 2022, "without kopecks" - 3000 UAH. So that you do not suffer with the transfer of $ 110 into rubles. A normal "kopeck piece" in a nine-story panel building, already more than 4000 UAH. It's scary to even think about a full-length movie.
                      1. Mordvin 3
                        Mordvin 3 21 February 2022 18: 53
                        +1
                        Well, I now pay about 62 bucks for a communal apartment for a three-ruble note of 150 squares.
                      2. TermNachTer
                        TermNachTer 21 February 2022 22: 45
                        0
                        You pay 150 for a three-ruble note, and in Ukraine the same amount for a kopeck piece. And the three-ruble note will already be somewhere around 200. And let's talk about the cost of food, and then about salaries?
                      3. Mordvin 3
                        Mordvin 3 21 February 2022 22: 47
                        0
                        Then somehow. There are more fun topics here. Putin LDNR recognized.
                      4. TermNachTer
                        TermNachTer 21 February 2022 22: 48
                        0
                        Yes, I read it, it makes me happy. When will the rest of Ukraine be liberated?
                      5. Mordvin 3
                        Mordvin 3 21 February 2022 22: 51
                        +1
                        No idea.
              2. ViacheslavS
                ViacheslavS 20 February 2022 23: 44
                -6
                Well, in Russia (not in Moscow) the situation is not much better.
    2. carstorm 11
      carstorm 11 20 February 2022 06: 19
      +1
      Seriously?) This practice is thousands of years old) putting forward impossible demands is a strategy))) More precisely, part of it. In business, politics, everyday life. Well, in order not to write for a long time, study, for example, scenario management or something ...
      1. BastaKarapuzik And
        BastaKarapuzik And 20 February 2022 10: 08
        +6
        There is nothing that can't be done. Who said that it is not feasible to withdraw the NATO bases?
        And here is an example with a salary in REAL life, which the author of the comment cited as an example of absurdity (in his opinion).
        Worked at ZAO. The head of the section quit, came to the office, right to the meeting where the directors and all the others were.
        Statement on the table and says:
        - Guys, your salary does not suit me.
        -How much do you want?
        He writes the amount on a piece of paper, the directors confer and sign for dismissal.
        And the dismissed person opens his own enterprise, where he does the same thing that he did at his previous job. At the same time, he becomes a competitor to his former bosses.
        Anything can be demanded, of course, one cannot expect that it will be fulfilled. But who said that Russia is counting on this?
        1. Stas157
          Stas157 20 February 2022 10: 54
          -2
          Quote: BastaKarapuzikI
          There is nothing that can't be done. Who said, that not feasible withdraw NATO bases?

          When will they perform? Already going?
          1. BastaKarapuzik And
            BastaKarapuzik And 20 February 2022 16: 21
            +10
            Not going to and not feasible, are they different concepts? Don't find?
            Everyone understands that Russia's statement about bases on the territory of neighboring countries,
            absolutely legal, just and justified.
            And the same America fully understands what is at stake, but they pretend that the requirements are something strange. They know perfectly well that Russia is in its legal right.
            They also tell the criminal - stop, I will shoot, lay down your weapons and go out one by one. No enemy will stand if he has the option to run away and so on.
            But this is a logical, correct and only true formula.
            PS / All the cheese is boron because of the very first comment.
      2. Stas157
        Stas157 20 February 2022 11: 03
        -1
        Quote: carstorm 11
        Seriously?) This practice is thousands of years old) putting forward impossible demands in advance is a strategy)))

        It happens before a fight. Who will be beaten?
        1. carstorm 11
          carstorm 11 20 February 2022 12: 36
          -1
          No idea. I have no input for such an analysis. I wrote on a specific phrase that it is a sign of inadequacy to make demands knowing that they will not be fulfilled. It's just nonsense. They did it, they do it, and they will continue to do it. Sometimes even you) There are such techniques in raising children, for example) But I was not going to develop the rest of the topic)
    3. The leader of the Redskins
      The leader of the Redskins 20 February 2022 09: 07
      +10
      I subscribe to your every word!
      This written speech was very reminiscent of an unpleasant moment when, six years ago, at some kind of summit, with our "galley rower" no one did not want sit at the same table for breakfast. All the presidents and ministers clustered together and talked in threes or fours, and only ours sat with thoughtful silence in splendid isolation ....
      Kiselev then immediately turned everything upside down in such a way, they say, as a Great ruler and servants! ....
      So now the author presents the "visit of European firefighters" to the source of political "spontaneous combustion" as a victorious victory! ....
      1. bk0010
        bk0010 20 February 2022 09: 50
        +2
        Quote: Leader of the Redskins
        at some summit, with our "galley rower" no one wanted to sit at the same table for breakfast.
        What a loss! By the way, do they have breakfast there like in a pioneer camp, everything is a bunch and on schedule?
        1. The leader of the Redskins
          The leader of the Redskins 20 February 2022 11: 11
          0
          In the political world, yes. Loss. Image, face, position.
          Try to even try on yourself - you come to work, and no one wants to say hello to you, they refuse to talk, they look at you with disgust ...
          How will you feel?
      2. Siberian54
        Siberian54 20 February 2022 14: 47
        +4
        By the way -of all those who held their nose and hid their hand in politics remained ONE PUTINand it seems to be Trudeau, who is now a nightmare with the complete silence of the press, his voters.
    4. Jose
      Jose 20 February 2022 09: 32
      +2
      There is one "but". You are dependent on your employer, wife and banks, and this dependence is documented. And you a priori cannot put any demands on these people or organizations if they have not violated anything on their part.
    5. BastaKarapuzik And
      BastaKarapuzik And 20 February 2022 09: 39
      +6
      Sharpen off the point.
      The author of the article wrote what an ordinary journalist could write.
      This article is indirectly related to real politics, nothing more.
      Impossible requirements? What is impossible in the demand to withdraw NATO bases?
      Everything is doable. And in the same way they demand from the criminal that he lay down his arms and come out with his hands up. Or during the chase, they demand that the enemy's car stop.
    6. Living7111972
      Living7111972 20 February 2022 11: 57
      -2
      if in a fool, then everyone will be defeated
    7. Wertgan
      Wertgan 20 February 2022 16: 24
      -1
      So the Americans are your employers or what? Then you are their agent. Yes
    8. Hagen
      Hagen 20 February 2022 20: 15
      +1
      Quote: Dalny V
      I, out of my stupidity, always thought that putting forward demands that were impossible to fulfill in advance was a sign of inadequacy, but it won’t, Mikhalych

      A sign of inadequacy is an attempt to think aloud on topics about which, for quite objective reasons, there is neither knowledge nor skills. In science, this is called the Dunning-Kruger effect. I would be more impressed by the position of "observer with reasonable care." Because it is clear that most of the "iceberg of foreign policy relations" is not available to us in principle. And only with time does the intention of "non-obvious" solutions become approximately clear. So, Michael, be patient. Someday, in someone's memoirs, we may find out the context of decisions made today.
    9. segamegament
      segamegament 20 February 2022 23: 38
      +1
      And if there is not enough oil in your head to understand the decisions of the leadership and their vector, then this only speaks of the presence of a nanobrain in your cranium
    10. nickname7
      nickname7 21 February 2022 05: 03
      +2
      Chancellor Olaf Scholz came to the Kremlin. Vladimir Putin spoke with the first for five hours, with the second for only three

      In general, it is not clear why EU officials go to talk to the Kremlin, because the initiator of the events related to the war, the United States, Scholtz had to submit petitions to Biden and Congress, unless Scholtz made some separate deals behind the backs of the Americans, his curators, or the trip is a distraction.
      If we outline the approximate alignment of the situation, then the states are trying to unleash a war between the Criminal Code and the Russian Federation, the latter is rather a passive participant, tactically trying to stop threats, but the initiative is with the United States, in this regard, conversations with the victim of American exceptionalism are incomprehensible.
      Recently, NBC wrote a message from Blinken that the United States had de-escalated the conflict and then there was a video news about sending 8500 Marines to Ukraine by the Pentagon, like this de-escalation by sending troops and weapons. For example, Lavrov will say, "don't send troops and don't set the Criminal Code on us," and the American will say, "otherwise what? What will you do? Nothing, it means they pitted you and we will do it." Such strange negotiations are going on, if translated from the bird's diplomatic language. According to their mentality, if they make requests in an imperative mood, then you must either offer money or threaten to be listened to. So "standing on the Ugra" is not over, it continues, the author rejoices early.
  2. bober1982
    bober1982 20 February 2022 06: 05
    +9
    The result of standing on the Ugra, correctly mentioned by the author of the article, was the beginning of a new historical era - the revival of the Russian state. The Golden Horde lost its former status and integrity.
    1. Blackmokona
      Blackmokona 20 February 2022 08: 53
      +1
      And the current standing still gives huge profits to the consolidation of NATO. I feel the Swedes and Finns will soon refuse to join the Alliance
    2. Igor Litvin
      Igor Litvin 20 February 2022 10: 15
      +1
      I’m wondering - do you even have any idea where the Ugra River is located and the border with which state it was for the Moscow principality?
  3. nikvic46
    nikvic46 20 February 2022 06: 57
    +2
    I am not at all interested in the weaknesses of the west. Our weakness lies in a large amount of private property. Even today, this problem makes it difficult to accommodate refugees so that they live in warmth and comfort. Thousands of private houses are empty, and refugees deserve to be treated I don't want to think about a big collision, but things like this will make things look a lot worse.
    1. tralflot1832
      tralflot1832 20 February 2022 12: 36
      -6
      In order to take away private property, do you propose to stir up the revolution, and the owners of strong households to Siberia?
      1. nikvic46
        nikvic46 21 February 2022 05: 51
        -3
        I don't want to spoil anything. And Siberia has nothing to do with it. In every city there is a huge number of privatized buildings that are not used in any way. Whether we like it or not, there will be a law on the conversion of private property into public property .. Otherwise, even during natural disasters, someone will sit, like a dog in the manger. Neither myself nor people.
    2. Hagen
      Hagen 20 February 2022 20: 30
      +1
      Quote: nikvic46
      Our weakness lies in the large amount of private property. Even today, this problem makes it difficult to accommodate refugees so that they live in warmth and comfort.

      You are a little confused in the concepts that define the socio-economic formation (if you follow the postulates of Marxism). Private property is objects that bring profit and for which no small taxes are levied in all countries of the world. If it were empty where you mean, the owners would go bankrupt. What you are talking about is personal property (residential buildings or houses in summer cottages). In any case, the state could provide for some temporary lease of this fund as an element of mobilization measures, and the issue could be resolved fairly quickly and to the benefit of all parties. Having such a fund is not a weakness. On the contrary, it can be a serious help with a reasonable attitude towards it and a creative approach to solving problems.
  4. avia12005
    avia12005 20 February 2022 07: 05
    +6
    It remains simply to be surprised at the naivety of such a point of view, which is set out in the article. When did the West fulfill its promise? Right, it's funny. If Russia wants to survive in this world, the West must be fought with its own methods. Break apart from the inside. Putin will leave, "Yeltsin Version 2.0" will come, and Russia will be finished off. Can you forget about Russians in Donbass and Ukraine? So? Let's kiss the West on the gums. Shaw again?
    1. alone
      alone 20 February 2022 08: 03
      +19
      Quote: avia12005
      It remains simply to be surprised at the naivety of such a point of view as set out in the article

      This is not naivete .. This naivety has a name - Propaganda.
      1. avia12005
        avia12005 20 February 2022 08: 37
        +19
        This is not propaganda. This is a desire to make some invisible victory out of nothing)
        1. alone
          alone 20 February 2022 09: 31
          +10
          Quote: avia12005
          This is a desire to make some invisible victory out of nothing)

          We are talking the same thing with you .. This is like one of the types of propaganda hi
      2. BMP-2
        BMP-2 20 February 2022 16: 33
        0
        Propaganda is secondary. The main thing is only business.
        1. Hagen
          Hagen 20 February 2022 20: 42
          +4
          Quote: BMP-2
          The main thing is only business.

          Looking at how today in the West politicians are pushing through businessmen and making decisions that are obviously not beneficial for the population, one can doubt the primacy of business (as a manifestation of the materialistic part of the basis). Although, if you dig to the fullest, then "unprofitable decisions" are made by individual top-level politicians based on quite material motivation - career advancement (within the EU bureaucracy, for example), just a desire not to lose a "feeding" position, and even primitive corruption (pay final beneficiaries to officials on whom decision-making depends). Then it can be stated that at the current level of development of Western civilization, the EU bureaucracy ensures its material well-being by betraying the interests of its people. Then it turns out that you and Marx are quite right - matter is primary in relation to consciousness. The only thing that should be clarified is whose business is more important. Today it seems to me that the main business is North American. But Europe will have to part with the privileges. I am not talking about Russia, we have been under the pressure of European civilization for centuries. For us, this is a familiar state. I think that our leadership fully understands how hostile our Western (and not only Western) partners are to us. The main thing is for us to understand this when we review the lists of candidates before the elections.
          1. BMP-2
            BMP-2 21 February 2022 02: 31
            -1
            Yes, if business is a way to increase your resources, then power is a way to increase your resources without doing anything special! laughing Well, as for the true beneficiaries, it is now customary to say that national capital is no longer in trend. Now transnational capitalists are in charge, and they are not tied to any particular territory. For them, everything is theirs. lol And yes: understand and remember.
    2. ViacheslavS
      ViacheslavS 20 February 2022 22: 23
      -7
      If Russia wants to survive in this world, the West must be fought with its own methods.


      And first of all, get into the habit of electing a new president at least once every 8-12 years.
      1. Repellent
        Repellent 20 February 2022 22: 36
        +4
        Quote: ViacheslavS
        first of all, get into the habit of electing a new president at least once every 8-12 years

        Um. Looking at the "first persons" of today's USA, England and Germany, for some reason I begin to doubt the effectiveness of the recipe you have given laughing
        1. ViacheslavS
          ViacheslavS 20 February 2022 23: 28
          -6
          England and Germany are not superpowers, and at least Germany does not even pretend to this role, but as for the United States, let's see, one thing they know for sure is how long the president will be in the White House.
          1. Repellent
            Repellent 20 February 2022 23: 43
            +3
            So what? How does this belie the fact that regular elections are no guarantee of good leadership?
            1. ViacheslavS
              ViacheslavS 20 February 2022 23: 47
              -8
              There is no guarantee, but a guarantee of a legitimate and, most importantly, predictable change of leadership. The problem is not that there is a “poor-quality” leadership, but that if there are no clear rules that limit the time in power, then this “poor-quality” one begins to cling to power to the last.
              1. Repellent
                Repellent 20 February 2022 23: 54
                +2
                Quote: ViacheslavS
                No, not a guarantee, but a guarantee of a legitimate and most importantly predictable change of leadership

                That is, you are for general, direct democratic elections laughing

                Look at Ukraine, get an idea of ​​what such elections lead to. Mechanics, I hope, do not need to explain?

                Quote: ViacheslavS
                The problem is not that “poor quality” leadership

                May I remind you how much Medvedev managed to do (seemingly quite manual) in just 4 years of his presidency? wink
                1. ViacheslavS
                  ViacheslavS 21 February 2022 00: 02
                  -4
                  That is, you are for general, direct democratic elections laughing

                  Look at Ukraine, get an idea of ​​what such elections lead to. Mechanics, I hope, do not need to explain?

                  And why look exclusively at Ukraine, which is not an independent country and is in the zone of interests of various external forces, and not at the United States, which saw the Russian Empire, the USSR and now modern Russia, and during Putin's rule there have already been five US presidents.

                  May I remind you how much Medvedev managed to do (seemingly quite manual) in just 4 years of his presidency? wink


                  And how much Putin (who is not a manual type) managed to heap up. And by the way, Putin himself in the distant 2000s said that it is bad to sit in power for a long time, he is talking about German Chancellor Kohl:
                  “With one leader, even as strong as Kol, any people, even as stable as the Germans, will get tired in 16 years.”


                  And just recently we have seen how people in Kazakhstan are tired of another Sun-faced. And I remember the conversation was about the fact that the West would beat them with weapons in the United States, it is difficult to arrange a Maidan or a color revolution, their president has not been in power for more than eight years.
                  1. Repellent
                    Repellent 21 February 2022 00: 20
                    +2
                    Quote: ViacheslavS
                    And why look exclusively at Ukraine, which is not an independent country and is in the zone of interests of various external forces, and not at the United States

                    Because the machine that prints the bucks (for which the presidency is bought in the case of "direct democratic") is located just in the USA. "Direct democratic" in Ukraine were bought by the United States. You seem to want the same fate for the Russian Federation.

                    Quote: ViacheslavS
                    the conversation was about how the West would beat them with a weapon

                    Leapfrog of presidents has absolutely nothing to do with it laughing
                    1. ViacheslavS
                      ViacheslavS 21 February 2022 09: 58
                      -6

                      Because the machine that prints the bucks (for which the presidency is bought in the case of "direct democratic") is located just in the USA. "Direct democratic" in Ukraine were bought by the United States. You seem to want the same fate for the Russian Federation.


                      And how much did Trump buy the presidency for? And even in Ukraine, the arrival of Zelensky was the result of real elections, for the United States then (and now) Poroshenko was beneficial.

                      You seem to want the same fate for the Russian Federation.


                      No, I don’t want the fate of the USSR for Russia, both the final one, when the state completely collapsed, and the “intermediate” ones, when after the death of Stalin there was an undercover struggle for power in which Khrushchev defeated Beria, then he himself was removed as a result of intrigues, in both cases a larger-scale struggle could flare up, then the stagnation of Brezhnev, with a leapfrog of dying general secretaries and the arrival of Gorbachev, and again the same removal of Gorbachev and the general collapse of the state.

                      Leapfrog of presidents has absolutely nothing to do with it laughing

                      There is no leapfrog, this is Andropov and Chernenko after Brezhnev, and here they also have a strictly regulated procedure for elections to the House of Representatives, elections are held every two years.
                      1. Repellent
                        Repellent 21 February 2022 10: 14
                        +2
                        Quote: ViacheslavS
                        And how much did Trump buy the presidency for?

                        Wake up and read carefully:

                        Quote: Repellent
                        "Direct Democratic" (elections) in Ukraine were bought by the USA

                        And what about Trump?

                        Quote: ViacheslavS
                        No, I don’t want the fate of the USSR for Russia ...

                        You are again inattentive, the question was "do you want the fate of Ukraine for the Russian Federation." Wake up and read carefully:
                        1. The regular change of the president does not guarantee that a quality leader will be elected. An example is Biden.
                        2. An attempt at "democratic" elections in the Russian Federation will lead to exactly the same thing that it led to in Ukraine. I gave reasons.

                        If you wish, you can try to challenge these two points, so far you are succeeding ... somehow not very request
                      2. ViacheslavS
                        ViacheslavS 21 February 2022 10: 19
                        -5
                        Wake up and read carefully:

                        Then I will reformulate the question for how much Zelensky bought the presidency and why Poroshenko could not do it, as a more interesting candidate for the United States?

                        1. The regular change of the president does not guarantee that a quality leader will be elected. An example is Biden.


                        I already wrote above, it does not guarantee in any way, but it guarantees that the president will not sit for life and this is much more important.
                        2. An attempt at "democratic" elections in the Russian Federation will lead to exactly the same thing that it led to in Ukraine. I gave reasons.


                        Your example directly refutes your own thesis, Zelensky won against the wishes of the United States, as did Yanukovych before that, by the way.
                      3. Repellent
                        Repellent 21 February 2022 10: 29
                        +1
                        Quote: ViacheslavS
                        Then I will reformulate the question for how much Zelensky bought the presidency

                        Once again - read carefully:

                        Quote: Repellent
                        "Direct Democratic" (elections) in Ukraine were bought by the USA

                        And what about Zelensky and Poroshenko? Both puppets.

                        Quote: ViacheslavS
                        1. The regular change of the president does not guarantee that a quality leader will be elected. An example is Biden.

                        I already wrote above, it does not guarantee in any way, but it guarantees that the president will not sit for life and this is much more important

                        Funny. The quality does not matter, even from shit and sticks, just to be (every day, preferably) new. So what do you think? It turns out that way request

                        Quote: ViacheslavS
                        Zelensky won against the will of the United States

                        The United States didn't give a damn about the personalities of the "presidents" 404, they are all under external control.
                      4. ViacheslavS
                        ViacheslavS 21 February 2022 10: 36
                        -5
                        Once again, please read carefully:

                        So who bought it specifically? Who paid for Zelensky's presidency and why Poroshenko could not find such a person? And even more surprising is who in the US paid for Yanukovych. Another interesting point is how anti-American forces won the elections in occupied Iraq.

                        And what about Zelinsky and Poroshenko? Both puppets.

                        Whose puppets, whom personally? Why then does Zelensky not extradite Kolomoisky to the USA?

                        Funny. It doesn't matter, even from shit and sticks, as long as it's new. So what do you think? It turns out that so request


                        In general, yes, with a working system of separation of branches of power, checks and balances, another option is the recently deceased USSR.
                      5. Repellent
                        Repellent 21 February 2022 10: 46
                        +1
                        Are you boring? Oh well laughing

                        Quote: ViacheslavS
                        Who paid for Zelensky's presidency and why Poroshenko could not find such a person? And even more surprising is who in the US paid for Yanukovych

                        The US paid for control of Ukraine. After that, it doesn't matter who becomes president there. Is that clearer?

                        Quote: ViacheslavS
                        Whose puppets, whom personally? Why then does Zelensky not extradite Kolomoisky to the USA?

                        Stupid question, see above.

                        Quote: ViacheslavS
                        Funny. It doesn't matter, even from shit and sticks, as long as it's new. So what do you think? It turns out that way


                        In general, yes, with a working system of separation of branches of power, checks and balances ...

                        Yes, in a world of unicorns and pink ponies in a vacuum. I repeat:

                        Quote: Repellent
                        2. An attempt at "democratic" elections in the Russian Federation will lead to exactly the same thing that it led to in Ukraine. I gave reasons.

                        If this time it doesn’t come, be your own doctor, I don’t treat the hopeless request
                      6. ViacheslavS
                        ViacheslavS 21 February 2022 14: 49
                        -5
                        The US paid for control of Ukraine. After that, it doesn't matter who becomes president there. Is that clearer?


                        Who exactly did the US pay to control Ukraine? And what kind of control if they cannot achieve the extradition of Kolomoisky?

                        Yes, in a world of unicorns and pink ponies in a vacuum. I repeat:


                        Tell that to Trump, who couldn't even get his Republican Secretary of State of Georgia to tweak the election results a little.

                        If this time it doesn’t come, be your own doctor, I don’t treat the hopeless

                        Yes, I understand everything, it is more reliable to rally around the immortal leader
  5. Sergey Nikiforov
    Sergey Nikiforov 20 February 2022 07: 12
    +23
    From my point of view, all these ultimatums and so on, this is a prelude to the elections of 2024 Like, we need a savior of the fatherland And here all means are good, especially the people Keeping so many military personnel on the border, this is how much money it costs Hedgehogs understand that the requirements put forward to NATO are impossible , but from the point of view of our leadership, it’s even good that no one is going to fulfill them. Now, the insidious West can be blamed for all our problems. The Savior of the Fatherland is ready for another 12 years Curtain
    1. Lech from Android.
      Lech from Android. 20 February 2022 07: 23
      -2
      From my point of view, all these ultimatums and stuff, this is a prelude to the elections of 2024

      It is very similar to this, and the Americans, as it were, play along in this. what
      I think that some kind of gingerbread will be thrown to the people before the elections ... we'll see what it will be smile.
      Those in power somewhat underestimate their people in terms of understanding current events.
    2. ViacheslavS
      ViacheslavS 20 February 2022 22: 30
      -7
      Of course, all this is a show for domestic consumption, to show that the insidious NATO is getting closer and we need to rally even more around our leader, but it is worth noting that the United States also took advantage of the occasion and forced Biden to say how he defended Ukraine, his ratings are now lower even than Trump.
    3. nickname7
      nickname7 21 February 2022 05: 26
      +2
      Keeping so many troops on the border, what money does it cost

      On the one hand, you should not hide under the bed, seeing NATO in every rustle, but on the other hand, I will remind you that the army of the Criminal Code is located near the border and who knows, but obeying the curators from the United States, it can erase several Russian cities, then whom will you blame for the wrong assessment situation, the generalisimo is still blamed for not preparing for war. There is a danger, another thing is that politicians can use this to raise ratings, but the guarantor will not leave his post for a couple more terms without any ratings anyway.
      For the United States, a war that is safe for them on another continent is needed to write off the debt.
  6. Thrifty
    Thrifty 20 February 2022 07: 36
    -1
    Eugene, Trump is a businessman to the core. Whatever he does, the essence of his actions is making a profit. Hence the contracts with the Saudis for hundreds of billions of dollars for the supply of weapons, and the sale or sanctions of the f35 aircraft stuffed profit in the head! And, as for talking with Trump from a position of strength, first you need to re-equip the army with new weapons and equipment, and not impose on it at least and modernized, but junk like bmp1basurmanin,! And where are the long-term construction like Kurganets, Boomerang, Almaty?" On tests "? Again, our sea 10-15-day rachitics with 8 missiles against Arly Berkov. So, when we build a good army and a strong navy, then we will become almost equal to the Chinese in this regard, and we can speak with any US president from a position of strength, having this strength available.
    1. Blackmokona
      Blackmokona 20 February 2022 08: 55
      +1
      Heh, heh. Trump is no longer president, and in the United States, in general, another party is in power
      1. Thrifty
        Thrifty 20 February 2022 09: 04
        -1
        BlakMikola - only, nothing has changed on our part, the same silence, where HARD rhetoric is needed, and the same HARD actions!
        1. Blackmokona
          Blackmokona 20 February 2022 09: 14
          +4
          But will our weak and small economy be enough for these harsh rhetoric and the same actions, or will we tear our asses from attempts?
          1. Thrifty
            Thrifty 20 February 2022 10: 26
            -2
            BlakMikola, is it my fault in such a deplorable state of the economy, only me, me again, or is it someone else?
            1. Blackmokona
              Blackmokona 20 February 2022 11: 07
              +6
              I'm talking about living within your means. And then there is a lot of show-off and ambition, but there is no money for this show-off. A bunch of billions to Syria, a bunch of billions to Venezuela, we even send humanitarian aid to the USA, loans to these non-repayers, other non-repayers. And there is no money inside the country, but you hold on and you are in a good mood. No need to dress up in the clothes of an important superpower, give money to half the world, and try to solve every problem when there is no money.
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          3. 72jora72
            72jora72 20 February 2022 17: 16
            +3
            And our weak and small economy will be enough for these harsh rhetoric and the same actions
            Then why was it necessary to expose yourself to ridicule, draw red linesif we have neither the strength nor the money, nor the political will for a tough answer ....
            1. Shahno
              Shahno 20 February 2022 17: 22
              -6
              I don’t know .. I think it’s a reason to think that you can, like Ivan 3.
              Ps. True, this is dumb, we have long been able, like Solomon, and further. The world has changed.
  7. Undecim
    Undecim 20 February 2022 07: 40
    +17
    "Standing on the Ugra 2.0", which is so aptly called the current crisis on the borders of Ukraine, ends with an obvious profit for Russia

    If the "profit" is obvious to anyone, then this is exclusively for turbopatriots.
    Therefore, I would like the author to at least concisely, point by point, outline this "obvious profit".
    The easiest way is in the form of a plate - the first column is the parameter, the second is its state "before standing", the third - "after standing". So that the people can clearly see what they "survived" there.
    1. The leader of the Redskins
      The leader of the Redskins 20 February 2022 09: 10
      +17
      "Standing on the Ugra 2.0..."
      Viktor Nikolaevich, it seems to me alone that the score on the scoreboard is not in our favor? ...
      1. Undecim
        Undecim 20 February 2022 09: 13
        +2
        You see, for reasons known to you, it is difficult for me to answer your question both in the affirmative and in the negative sense.
      2. Stas157
        Stas157 20 February 2022 10: 28
        +1
        Quote: Leader of the Redskins
        "Standing on Acne 2.0 ... "
        Viktor Nikolaevich, it seems to me alone that the score on the scoreboard is not in our favor? ...

        I don't understand this analogy either. Here our side will be closer in its actions to the Great Horde. Especially if the troops are withdrawn from Ukraine.

        I don’t understand why Ukraine should attack the Donbass at the moment when there is a loaded pistol at the temple?

        If Ukraine does not attack, what will Putin do in this case? How will he look with his statements and the evacuation of the population of Donbass?
        1. The leader of the Redskins
          The leader of the Redskins 20 February 2022 11: 08
          0
          Well, here, I think for the layman they will find the simplest answer - the "exercises" are over)))
          The options are much worse if, after all, provocations in the Donbass (it doesn’t matter on whose part) serve as an impetus for "pulling the trigger" of the gun "at the temple." What happens after that....
        2. Simple
          Simple 20 February 2022 12: 00
          -2
          Quote: Stas157
          I don’t understand why Ukraine should attack the Donbass at the moment when there is a loaded pistol at the temple?


          The US forgot to ask the Ukrainian government.
          The thrush has long spilled butter when a regime with Bandera ideology came to power - openly directed against Russia.
          The problem with the United States is the "inadequacy" of Russia.
          But not "trouble" - not dragged, so cut.
        3. BMP-2
          BMP-2 20 February 2022 16: 41
          +2
          Quote: Stas157
          If Ukraine does not attack, what will Putin do in this case? How will he look with his statements and the evacuation of the population of Donbass?
          So and here everything is just obvious: if it doesn’t attack, they will say that the correctly chosen strategy worked, which made the attack meaningless. And if he attacks, they will say that all the preparatory actions were correct. By the way, this trick with two equally win-win options in Ukraine has been demonstrated with enviable constancy for eight years already. laughing
        4. BastaKarapuzik And
          BastaKarapuzik And 20 February 2022 16: 51
          +6
          What will Putin look like if Ukraine attacks and the population is not evacuated?
          In fact, Ukraine may not have a goal to attack and win right now, but she will have to go for a provocation, because she is under pressure from the United States.
          And the forces of the LDNR will respond to the provocation, they will have to respond.
          Therefore, the population was evacuated.
          Quote: Stas157
          I don’t understand why Ukraine should attack the Donbass at the moment when there is a loaded pistol at the temple?

          In the long term, they are not going to peacefully solve the problem of the LDNR. There are no signs to indicate this.
          They do not fulfill the Minsk agreements, and have not been going to fulfill them for a single day. Not a single step has been taken towards Minsk. On the contrary, Ukraine is gathering large military forces, buying and accepting weapons systems from the West. All of them cooking indicate that the only solution acceptable to them is military. What exactly have been preparing for 8 years.
          Zelensky called the inhabitants of Donbass "individuals". And he urged them all to leave for Russia. People who live on their land for a dozen generations.
          They refuse to acknowledge the existence of other Ukrainians with opinions different from their own. Why they call the LDNR militia Russian occupiers. Signs of the fascist system in Ukrainian society.
          Grozny is cited as a role model, how it was destroyed as a result of hostilities. They say that this is a crime of Russia, but they themselves are going to do exactly the same. By the principle, you can Why can't we.
          They are also inspired by the Armenian-Azerbaijani conflict, the fact that Azerbaijan achieved its goal by military means.
          You don't have to be an analyst to see that Ukraine is not following the path of Minsk. SHE CHOOSE A DIFFERENT PATH.
        5. nickname7
          nickname7 21 February 2022 05: 41
          +2
          I don’t understand why Ukraine should attack Donbass

          They don’t want to either, the cunning ones take the money, but they don’t want to die, sabotaging the plans of their master, but the sheriff never worried about the problems of blacks, the United States may still force the lads to be graved.
          If Ukraine does not attack, what will Putin do in this case?

          And if it attacks and there are casualties, and so that you don’t blame Putin later, it’s better to evacuate, it’s better to worry in advance, run back and forth and stay alive, right? And hang problems on the initiators of the war and their puppets, Russia is correctly evacuating the population.
      3. populist
        populist 20 February 2022 12: 47
        +2
        Quote: Leader of the Redskins
        "Standing on the Ugra 2.0..."
        Viktor Nikolaevich, it seems to me alone that the score on the scoreboard is not in our favor? ...

        The question is not for me, but I will express my point of view.
        While the game is going one way. The bet on Biden's weakness did not materialize. The Kremlin no longer has peaceful arguments. There was only one argument left - the liberation of Novorossiya. Geographically, it should be almost to Kiev from the east and south. Method, as in Libya, approximately.
        The geopolitical situation is now more or less favorable and will not get better. There probably won't be another case like this.
        1. Undecim
          Undecim 20 February 2022 13: 31
          0
          The question is not for me, but I will express my point of view.

          It would be better if you read Publius Syrah. Publii Syri muni sententiae.
        2. Roma 1977
          Roma 1977 21 February 2022 09: 00
          +1
          February-March is not the best time. The earth is muddy, the rivers are flooded. It is necessary to attack either at a clearly negative temperature, or at a clearly positive temperature. They don't like tanks around zero.
  8. Sergey Zhikharev
    Sergey Zhikharev 20 February 2022 07: 44
    +5
    Weak and naive.
    Particularly pleased (laughed), about the relief that Russia did not invade Ukraine on February 15th
  9. parusnik
    parusnik 20 February 2022 07: 57
    -10
    "The thunder of victory is heard" (c) .. "And the enemy is running .. running .." (c) laughing SP-2 will start working after a while, the good will not disappear, passions will subside, everything will return to normal. smile Ukraine, with the transit of gas, flew through its territory. Actually, because of what all this was started. Gazprom came out the winner. smile
    1. Thrifty
      Thrifty 20 February 2022 08: 21
      +11
      Yes? With Gazar, your beloved almost came out victorious over the people of Russia. Uk-roin doesn’t give three billion dollars - hang this money on our Russians! He doesn’t want to pay for gas - we’ll get off our own! COMMISSION for paying for gas !!!! Not bad, right? Your rotten gyazprem, using his manopolism, decided to rob the population of the country even more, to compensate for my and other funds for the fact that they will never be given back Moldova, not UK-roin! A good lawyer will say that we won’t see this money for a couple of million more years! Only, it didn’t work at the Gyazprem, the people were indignant, the commission was declared illegal and canceled! .
      1. parusnik
        parusnik 20 February 2022 09: 22
        +12
        Your rotten geezprem, using his manopolism, decided to rob the population of the country even more
        Gazprom is a national treasure laughing Rewind the tape, many years ago, analyze the events, and you will understand that this is all a bodya and went because of the interests of Gazprom .. And the emoticons set by me apparently did not pass through in the previous comment, and will not work in this one. Wars between capitalists are fought for the interests of the companies, not the interests of the people. Something like this..
        1. Thrifty
          Thrifty 20 February 2022 10: 29
          +3
          Sailboat '-Gazprom is a private shop with a bunch of foreigners on the board of directors! In Russia they pay TAXES, but they can even put profits and dividends on Chinese accounts!
          1. parusnik
            parusnik 20 February 2022 10: 53
            +9
            As I understand it, emoticons denoting sarcasm, you do not understand. And I put it especially for you. Can you specifically write what you disagree with?
            here profits and dividends can even be put on Chinese accounts!
            "Lie down" - there is no such verb. That is, there is something on the market, but for you and me - no! Goluushka, Taisiya Nikolaevna, how could one not know this? Do not protect your authority, so spare other people's ears! .. "(c) xf "We'll live until Monday" wink
      2. nickname7
        nickname7 21 February 2022 05: 47
        -1
        point-COMMISSION for gas payment!!!

        Top management could get away with bonuses and bonuses, but they have increased their bonuses and are paying themselves record dividends.
  10. ivan2022
    ivan2022 20 February 2022 08: 38
    +19
    In vain the author mentioned the Molotov-Ribbentrop pact. Under this pact, the USSR regained part of the possessions of the Republic of Ingushetia and moved to the West, and not to the East.
    Diplomacy must bear fruit, not a moral advantage in a chess game. So far, the non-recognition of the republics has led to a flow of refugees into the Russian Federation, and not to the deployment of troops within the DPR and LPR to protect their populations. We see that our diplomacy has been serving not the advancement of the interests of the Russian Federation, but the advancement of NATO to the East for decades.
  11. BastaKarapuzik And
    BastaKarapuzik And 20 February 2022 09: 32
    +2
    Biden is a peacemaker
    Then Hitler is a fighter for human rights
  12. 1536
    1536 20 February 2022 09: 54
    -2
    K. Marx wrote in Capital that one of the main slogans of every capitalist, every capitalist nation is "After me, at least the flood."
  13. Shuev
    Shuev 20 February 2022 10: 11
    -2
    Quote: Dalny V
    Won cho, Mikhalych

    Mikhail Sergeevich Gopkalo Nobel Peace Prize Winner
  14. Stas157
    Stas157 20 February 2022 10: 16
    +4
    . Will the hot heads of the North Atlantic Alliance believe in the seriousness of the Kremlin's intentions?when will the Russian army and navy once again be concentrated on the western borders?

    It all depends on what happens this time. The assembled fist will be activated or simply pulled back.

    I still don’t understand, the author believes that they concentrated troops on the borders with Ukraine just to talk to the West? Expensive bluff comes out.
    1. parusnik
      parusnik 20 February 2022 11: 06
      +10
      Expensive bluff comes out.
      By the way, many have already forgotten. It is incomprehensible to the mind how much dough they stole, together both "theirs" and ours are on this. And now the "shooters" are clogging. laughing Cherry on the cake, just like that, the hero of labor, Miller would not have been given. smile As the late Zadornov said, "it's all because of money." smile
  15. Cosmemedic
    Cosmemedic 20 February 2022 11: 15
    0
    No need to build hope. Set up already in the nineties. We need a DISTANCE, political in the first place. Exit European structures and throw out the fifth column of their country. This will reduce the influence of the enemy, partner v.m.
    1. Gardamir
      Gardamir 20 February 2022 12: 49
      +8
      throw out the fifth column of their country
      You see, when the fifth column comes to power. Patriots become enemies.
  16. riwas
    riwas 20 February 2022 11: 24
    +1
    Unfortunately, the Kremlin has recently had to talk to foreign "colleagues" from a position of strength.

    So the West does not understand another language. Moreover, he perceives it as a sign of weakness.
    1. Sergey Nikiforov
      Sergey Nikiforov 20 February 2022 12: 18
      +4
      And what is the manifestation of strength then.? We've been holding a huge group at the border for half a year. You can imagine how much money this flies into the budget Guess three times how they will compensate What else To threaten with a nuclear club and prepare for paradise.? I think that such idiots are not enough. What else.? What else can you show strength in?
      1. nickname7
        nickname7 21 February 2022 06: 48
        +1
        You can imagine how much money this flies into the budget
        Is this the Russian army, is it supported by the budget in any case, or do you propose disbanding the army in order to save money?
  17. ERsytype
    ERsytype 20 February 2022 12: 36
    +4
    The US, Britain and Canada are heavily pumping lethal weapons into Ukraine. In response to the Russian ultimatum (which was rejected by the way) they threatened with tough sanctions in case of an attack on Ukraine.
    And it turns out it's a win. Of course, I read a lot of strange articles, but in this article the author seems to generally consider readers to be complete downs.
    Where is the win??? Ukraine will not be taken into NATO in the next 10 years? And was it going to be taken there in the foreseeable future?
    1. Michael HORNET
      Michael HORNET 20 February 2022 20: 17
      +3
      So after all, the author for this opus has already received his well-deserved Olginsky 7 rubles and the passing title of “deep throat of a journalist”. Why does he need anything else?
      Happy as an elephant)))
      In fact, before the "ultimatum"
      1. NATO is fragmented. Slightly afraid of RF.
      2. Weapons in Anti-RF supplied at least
      3. Deployed 60 US troops in Europe, mostly in Germany
      4. Not enough US and NATO strategic bombers and overall forces for a serious strike
      5. The Russian Federation has a certain authority in the world
      6. The territory of Donbass is sluggishly shelled

      AFTER the "ultimatum" and "standing on the Ugra 2.0"
      1. NATO consolidated like never before. Everyone is determined to fight back by all means. ABSOLUTELY NOBODY is afraid of the Russian Federation, the rhetoric is as cocky and humiliating as possible (“if you want less NATO, get more NATO”)
      2. Much more weapons were delivered to Anti-RF than in all 8 years earlier. Javelins, new grenade launchers, anti-bunker weapons, MANPADS, anti-artillery radars, drones (+ open joint production), millions of rounds of ammunition!
      3. Deployed 85 thousand troops, building up at the expense of the most combat-ready units. British Troops - in the Baltics
      4. 20+ strategists and many fleet forces have been transferred to Europe. Real consolidation of forces
      5. The Russian Federation is exposed in the world as a pariah, any of its actions in defense of its interests is regarded as an "offensive of the totalitarian regime." One gate play. Whatever the Russian Federation does, it is a 100% aggressor in the eyes of the whole world
      6. Intensive shelling of the territory of Donbass, which even led to the evacuation. Powerful explosions of a gas pipeline, a gas station, facilities critical to life support infrastructure. Shells fall on the very territory of the Russian Federation. No, it's all right, we'll carry on.

      TOTAL: Mr. long gentle tongue (for the party in power), lick them something else, all of a sudden you forgot something else.
      1. nickname7
        nickname7 21 February 2022 07: 32
        +2
        AFTER the "ultimatum" and "standing on the Ugra 2.0"
        1. NATO consolidated like never before.

        You seem to have listened to the echo of Moscow, in which the Russian Federation is to blame for moving its borders to NATO bases. The West, by inertia, compresses and compresses the rings of the anaconda, do you advise to endure and be silent?
        An ultimatum is a media term, while the Foreign Ministry did not officially issue ultimatums. They kind of asked the general public of Europe how long you will press and what do you want to achieve, drive the Russians into the reservations like Indians?
        Secondly, "more than ever" is your ignorance of the situation, the statement of the Ministry of Foreign Affairs has borne fruit, Germany and Hungary are thinking in the EU and do not want to send troops to participate in the American adventure.

        Much more weapons were delivered to Anti-RF than in all 8 years earlier

        This is the US initiative to start a war, they accelerated the process of escalation of the Criminal Code,
        To stop what the Foreign Ministry actually spoke, on security issues.
        British Troops - in the Baltics

        Again, to the wrong address, petition Boris-Johnson, the Russian Federation cannot control foreign troops.

        Intensive shelling of the territory of Donbass, which even led to the evacuation

        For this you again place the blame on the Russian Federation?
        Your example shows the power of the Western propaganda machine, when the West initiates a war, but blames us, and the "echoes and rain" being foreign agents hang some kind of blame on the Russian Federation, whitewashing their masters.
        PS
        Europe in the past discovered that the Indians in the North American continent were a threat, so civilized Europeans moved to another continent and drove the Indians into reservations, today they are doing almost the same thing against us, and you are on their side.
  18. Normal ok
    Normal ok 20 February 2022 12: 43
    +1
    Fedorov - that says it all ...
  19. iouris
    iouris 20 February 2022 12: 45
    +1
    Quote: "Standing on the Ugra River - hostilities in 1480 between the troops of Khan of the Great Horde Akhmat and the troops of the Grand Duke of Moscow Ivan III, which completed the overthrow of the Mongol-Tatar yoke in Russia, in particular in its northeastern part, where it lasted the longest and where the process of formation of a unified Russian state was going on. End of quote.
    Abisnite, who is a tributary, who is the Horde?
  20. Jager
    Jager 20 February 2022 13: 46
    +5
    VO began to give off terry "yellowness" in articles ...
  21. crossbow
    crossbow 20 February 2022 13: 49
    +5
    The collective West does not want to agree on anything with us. He wants us to comply unconditionally with his terms. There is nothing further to discuss. Everything else is from the evil one.
  22. Bat039
    Bat039 20 February 2022 13: 51
    +6
    I did not see anything interesting for the Russian Federation in the US proposals. You can replace the SM-3 with Tomahawks in the Mk-41 within a few hours, nothing prevents you from getting a ride from the train or by plane. Now, if they were completely dismantled, then there would still be something to talk about, and so, empty air shaking and blurring the interests of the Russian Federation
  23. Karabin
    Karabin 20 February 2022 14: 19
    +4
    The so-called "black swans" have always been the calling card of the country's leadership.
    Okay, swans are black, as long as the cuckoo does not go.
  24. Alsur
    Alsur 20 February 2022 15: 24
    -1
    Quote: Far In

    At that time, the to-do list for tomorrow is:
    1. come to the employer and demand that he sharply raise my salary to 1 million rubles. In a day;
    2. require the wife to go to bed a virgin every night;
    3. demand from the body that it does not bother me with the liver, lower back, headache and other nonsense;
    4. demand from banks that they forgive my loans...
    The list can be continued indefinitely.

    Quote: BastaKarapuzikI
    There is nothing that can't be done. Who said that it is not feasible to withdraw the NATO bases?
    And here is an example with a salary in REAL life, which the author of the comment cited as an example of absurdity (in his opinion).
    Worked at ZAO. The head of the section quit, came to the office, right to the meeting where the directors and all the others were.
    Statement on the table and says:
    - Guys, your salary does not suit me.
    -How much do you want?
    He writes the amount on a piece of paper, the directors confer and sign for dismissal.
    And the dismissed person opens his own enterprise, where he does the same thing that he did at his previous job. At the same time, he becomes a competitor to his former bosses.
    Anything can be demanded, of course, one cannot expect that it will be fulfilled. But who said that Russia is counting on this?


    I fully agree with the second author that it is quite normal to demand a high salary from an employer if you are a specialist, a highly skilled worker. Of course, the perception of your requirements by the employer is influenced by the labor market, the form of organization, the state. organizations (Transneft, Gazprom, Russian Railways), everything is more difficult and they will not be able to raise salaries much there. And private traders may well go for it, or you quit and find yourself something to do for a higher salary.
  25. faterdom
    faterdom 20 February 2022 15: 44
    +5
    Some article smells strongly ...
    As if the same authors wrote it as the answer to our proposals, how good it would be to exchange checks in Romania (?) For checks on our territory.
    That's when we put our TPM containers in Cuba, then there will be some point in mutual inspections. Cuba and Romania.
    But not in Kaliningrad.
  26. VicktorVR
    VicktorVR 20 February 2022 17: 40
    -1
    For some reason, they keep silent about other visits of the presidents at the same time - Hungary, Argentina and Brazil.
    Hungary is a member of NATO, Latin America is the backyard of the USA...
  27. Radikal
    Radikal 20 February 2022 19: 23
    -2
    Quote: BlackMokona
    I'm talking about living within your means. And then there is a lot of show-off and ambition, but there is no money for this show-off. A bunch of billions to Syria, a bunch of billions to Venezuela, we even send humanitarian aid to the USA, loans to these non-repayers, other non-repayers. And there is no money inside the country, but you hold on and you are in a good mood. No need to dress up in the clothes of an important superpower, give money to half the world, and try to solve every problem when there is no money.

    And where did they go? Aaah, dzenkuyu, I ask the sir - they are in American securities, and offshore around the world! lol wassat sad
  28. Michael HORNET
    Michael HORNET 20 February 2022 20: 13
    +1
    I hope the author for this opus has already received his well-deserved Olginsky 7 rubles and the challenge title of “deep throat of a journalist”
    In fact, before the "ultimatum"
    1. NATO fragmented
    2. Weapons in Anti-RF supplied at least
    3. Deployed 60 US troops in Europe, mostly in Germany
    4. Not enough US and NATO strategic bombers and overall forces for a serious strike
    5. The Russian Federation has a certain authority in the world
    6. The territory of Donbass is sluggishly shelled

    AFTER the "ultimatum" and "standing on the Ugra 2.0"
    1. NATO consolidated like never before. Everyone is determined to fight back by all means.
    2. Much more weapons were delivered to Anti-RF than in all 8 years earlier. Javelins, new grenade launchers, anti-bunker equipment, anti-artillery radars, drones were delivered (+ joint production was opened)
    3. Deployed 85 troops, building up with the most combat-ready units
    4. Strategists and many of the forces of the fleets have been transferred to Europe
    5. The Russian Federation is exposed in the world as a pariah, any of its actions in defense of its interests is regarded as an "offensive of the totalitarian regime"
    6. Intensive shelling of the territory of Donbass, which even led to the evacuation. Powerful explosions of a gas pipeline, a gas station, facilities critical to life support infrastructure. Shells fall on the very territory of the Russian Federation. No, it's all right, we'll carry on.

    TOTAL: Mr. long gentle tongue (for the party in power), lick them something else, all of a sudden you forgot something else.
  29. TatarinSSSR
    TatarinSSSR 20 February 2022 22: 17
    +1
    Either the author received an inheritance that is not weak, or he is simply not adequate ... I do not see any positive moments for Russia over the past two years in relations with the United States, NATO and the West in general. Russian business and Russian officials are driven from everywhere, interrupting and withdrawing major contracts. Russian goods are blocked in every possible way, economic ties are being destroyed. Huge funds from the budget of the Defense Ministry were put into distillation and movement of more than half of the army and everything that is only capable of moving in it to the western borders, in response to the strengthening of the presence of US troops in NATO countries and, in general, a more cohesive position of this bloc. The pumping of Ukraine with weapons continues. Russia received hundreds of thousands of refugees from the Donbass. New sanctions will gradually be introduced further against Russia. Russia's demands (obviously stupid) were rejected, and the US is ready to engage in dialogue with Russia only on those points that are beneficial to them in advance and not beneficial to Russia. Further pressure from the West on the Russian economy will only increase from year to year. So the author - where are the privileges you found, where is the detente of relations with NATO, etc.? Brad, not an article. Bitter pill, yes. This is a clownery with publicized "demands to the US and NATO" and squeals about an urgent response to them with "not talking" - the West's answer was just quickly received, without any chatting. He was clear - No. No. And no. And away we go - the Russian response to the West's response, the West's response to Russia's response to the West's response to Russia's demands, Russia's response to the West's response to Russia's response to the West's response to Russia's demands, and so on. It is Russia that is engaged in chattering. Now she "requires an honest dialogue on the requirements of Russia" in the person of Ivanov .... Well, where is the adequacy? Further only worse.
    1. nickname7
      nickname7 21 February 2022 08: 09
      0
      I do not see any positive moments for Russia over the past two years in relations with the United States, NATO and the West in general

      I don’t know who you think you are, but to put it mildly, the states perceive you, me or the population of the Russian Federation as Papuans, whose opinion they are not interested in.
      The United States is a hegemon, they do what they want, play off and bomb whom they see fit, and the opinion of the victims will not be asked. The only thing that remains is how it spins in an attempt to minimize the damage.
      But inflation has sharply increased there, indices have jumped, perhaps the debt pyramid is collapsing, for which they need a war, who knows, maybe we will be able to buy time and the pyramid will collapse before the war begins.
      Russian business and Russian officials are being persecuted
      Russian goods are blocked in every possible way, economic ties are being destroyed

      Woe to the vanquished, alas.

      Russian demands (obviously stupid) were rejected

      Do you have Stockholm Syndrome or what, do you want to trade everything for yourself a better reservation?
  30. Dkuznecov
    Dkuznecov 20 February 2022 23: 22
    -1
    Russia at the beginning of 2022 spent its
    last argument in coercion
    West to talk on an equal footing

    Mistake.
    It happened on February 25, 1991.
    Dissolution of the Warsaw bloc.
    The last argument.
    Since then, the gap has only widened.
    Does the "author" live in some kind of his own world?
  31. APASUS
    APASUS 21 February 2022 09: 04
    0
    “We can welcome that the President of the United States, one of the largest countries in the world, one of the most powerful states, really thinks about the Russian people. This, perhaps, should impress us. Of course, we would prefer, however, not to listen to various threats about what will happen to us if we do something there that we are not going to do.

    I remember how American presidents think about the people of Russia! In the 90s, he drank enough worries, democracy, rights and freedoms.
  32. kriten
    kriten 21 February 2022 13: 08
    0
    Or maybe the opinion of Katz won over us, who offered to surrender?