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The State Duma adopted a draft resolution of an appeal to the President on the recognition of the republics of Donbass

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The State Duma adopted a draft resolution of an appeal to the President on the recognition of the republics of Donbass

The State Duma has chosen a draft resolution on the recognition of the self-proclaimed republics of Donbass, the vote took place today during the plenary session.


Two versions of the address to the president were put up for a vote, one of them was developed by the communists, and the second by deputies from United Russia. The whole difference between the projects lay in the procedure: the communists proposed sending the appeal to the president immediately, while United Russia proposed first sending the draft for consultation to the Foreign Ministry, and then to the president.

As a result, the communist version won, 351 deputies voted for it, and 310 deputies voted for the United Russia project. Voting was carried out by a simple set of votes, whoever gets the most - he won. Immediately after the voting procedure, State Duma speaker Vyacheslav Volodin announced that the draft appeal would be sent to the Russian president for consideration "immediately."

The draft appeal to Vladimir Putin on the recognition of the self-proclaimed Donetsk and Lugansk republics as sovereign states was developed by a group of deputies from the Communist Party back in January of this year. The project was submitted to the State Duma for consideration, after discussion within the factions, it ended up in the State Duma Committee on CIS Affairs. As a result, the project was supported by all the deputies, and it was only necessary to choose the option of appeal, since United Russia offered to first discuss the project with the Russian Foreign Ministry.

According to the deputies, official recognition will protect the people of the republics from external threats and the policy of genocide on the part of Ukraine. The deputies assume that after the recognition of the republics by Russia, a mechanism of international recognition will be launched.
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  1. sen
    sen 15 February 2022 15: 14
    +4
    The State Duma adopted a draft resolution of an appeal to the President on the recognition of the republics of Donbass

    The United States finished the game, now Russia will officially be able to supply weapons to the LDNR, but the Minsk agreements are over.
    1. paul3390
      paul3390 15 February 2022 15: 20
      +20
      It's not a fact that the guarantor will sign... For now - it's more like a means of pressure, like - see how it can be if I sign? We're all set. For now - I will not do this, for the sake of world peace and other nonsense .. But - I can change my mind at any moment.
      1. nnm
        nnm 15 February 2022 15: 25
        +9
        Colleague, I do not think that EP would vote "for" without first understanding the prospects for signing.
        1. paul3390
          paul3390 15 February 2022 15: 29
          +17
          As they say, so they will vote .. You might think that our thought may even have its own opinion ..

          And so - maybe about 8 years ago with the right to send troops abroad. To accept - they accepted, but they didn’t send anyone anywhere .. So it may be now - to designate a threat.

          For in all these decisions they do not explain the main thing - within what boundaries to recognize something ??? And without this - a rotten market is about nothing ..
          1. AUL
            AUL 15 February 2022 15: 42
            +6
            Quote: paul3390
            For in all these resolutions they do not explain the main thing - within what boundaries to recognize something ???

            So I was waiting for an explanation on this issue - but alas ... And without a solution to this issue - all the steam is in the whistle. Didn't our dumaks even think in this direction?
            1. New Year day
              New Year day 15 February 2022 15: 59
              +1
              Quote: AUL
              So I was waiting for clarification on this issue - but alas ...

              Within the actual occupied territories. Or do you think that, at the call of the State Duma of the Russian Federation, Ukraine will voluntarily liberate the territories under its control? Or fight for them?
              1. paul3390
                paul3390 15 February 2022 16: 57
                +5
                Donbass will agree to this. In general, this is epic stupidity - to voluntarily give up so many Russian territories and populations to the enemy.
                1. New Year day
                  New Year day 15 February 2022 21: 07
                  -2
                  Quote: paul3390
                  Donbass will agree to this.

                  Who will ask him? The conversation will go between the Russian Federation and the United States
              2. Alexander Seklitsky
                Alexander Seklitsky 15 February 2022 18: 23
                +3
                What is incomprehensible? We recognize them as independent republics. Why do we need to deal with their borders. And then there will be their territorial disputes with Ukraine.
          2. g1v2
            g1v2 15 February 2022 17: 07
            +5
            The borders of the republics are marked as the borders of the regions by their parliaments. So recognition automatically means that Ukraine is occupying their territories. Tch is not the end of the war.
          3. bobba94
            bobba94 15 February 2022 17: 24
            +1
            Oil painting ..... The Duma voted, the presidential administration will begin to prepare documents for its own signature, and in the end it turns out that all documents refer to the borders of the LPR and DPR in the old administrative boundaries of these regions ...
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      2. New Year day
        New Year day 15 February 2022 15: 58
        -10
        Quote: paul3390
        For now - it's more like a means of pressure, like - see how it can be if I sign?

        What pressure? The United States and Ukraine will gladly throw off this burden from their shoulders: to maintain, restore the destroyed - it costs money. On the other hand, border redrawing and sanctions
        1. Alexander Seklitsky
          Alexander Seklitsky 15 February 2022 18: 25
          -1
          What prevented throwing off this ballast for eight whole years? If they are happy to do it
          1. New Year day
            New Year day 15 February 2022 21: 06
            0
            Quote: Alexander Seklitsky
            What prevented throwing off this ballast for eight whole years?

            It's simple: it's one thing if you refuse yourself, it's another thing if they took it away from you. You immediately become a victim.
      3. Free Island
        Free Island 15 February 2022 16: 39
        -5
        Will sign for sure.
      4. g1v2
        g1v2 15 February 2022 17: 05
        +4
        EP has a constitutional majority. Without a command from above, it will not even fart. If the EP voted for this project, then the team has arrived. They just let the communists in as skirmishers. Kind of their idea. And then all the concentration of forces and means at the border immediately becomes clear. And an ultimatum too. Who needs to show "just rock the boat." And judging by the actions of the West, everything is agreed with Bidon. Compromise. We do not demolish the Saloreikha regime and so far we confine ourselves to the recognition of the republics and the refusal of the dill to join NATO. And Bidon shows himself as a dude who saved the world from a new world war. The United States and Russia as a whole are in profit, and pay for ukram. It's just that it's just a step. Recognition of the republics means that Ukraine is occupying the territories of sovereign new states. And the war for their return will continue. But now we will be able to openly supply the necessary weapons to the republics. The same Shells and Torahs, for example.
        1. AUL
          AUL 15 February 2022 19: 27
          -2
          Quote: g1v2
          If the EP voted for this project, then the team has arrived. They just let the communists in as skirmishers.

          And if something unpleasant happens - and all the demand is from the communists, and the whole thing is in a white tailcoat!
    2. knn54
      knn54 15 February 2022 15: 34
      0
      Say thanks to Biden and Co.
      -The mono-majority in the Rada and their competitors (and not the opposition) in the person of Tymoshenko. Poroshenko, Lyashko openly do not recognize the Minsk agreements
      .-The United States and Co. refuse to give written guarantees about the non-proliferation of NATO to the East ...
      True, there is one BUT. It was the Communist Party of the Russian Federation that came up with THIS initiative, which means that there is no FINAL decision in the Kremlin on the recognition of the LDNR,
    3. New Year day
      New Year day 15 February 2022 15: 55
      +5
      Quote: sen
      USA played out

      In what? Why is this bad for the US?
      Quote: sen
      now Russia will officially be able to supply weapons to the LDNR

      And it didn't happen before?
      Quote: sen
      but the Minsk agreements are over.

      that's for sure!
    4. Thrifty
      Thrifty 15 February 2022 16: 18
      0
      And how long to wait until it is signed? And then how - for ratification, or for consideration through the Supreme Council ???
    5. dauria
      dauria 15 February 2022 17: 13
      +4
      USA played out

      Russia played out. And the US won on all counts. They grabbed a kusyara from Russia, dividing Ukraine fraternally. "To hell with you, Crimea and the stub of Donbas is yours" (since you couldn't snatch the whole piece), but the rest will be in NATO in the near future. Now peace-friendship is chewing gum and we continue to live and trade. As with the Poles, for example. That is, the government in Kiev will never become pro-Russian. But let's leave a splinter - figs to you, and not the official recognition of the Crimea for Russia.
      And how beautiful. Not Ukraine violated something, but Russia itself treacherously tore off the DPR-LPR. Learn, Lavrov, how to. And look in the mirror, saying your famous "de ... ly, ... lyad."
      The cowardice of the big-bourgeois elite, headed by the president of 14, has finally ended in a logical end. Amen.
      1. Alexander Seklitsky
        Alexander Seklitsky 15 February 2022 18: 28
        -8
        Quote: dauria
        but the rest in NATO in the near future
        Yes of course laughing It's not funny to carry such nonsense. Yes, and such an unstable ally in NATO is worse than a fierce enemy. lol
    6. flicker
      flicker 15 February 2022 17: 18
      -2
      now Russia will officially be able to supply weapons to the LDNR
      Not only to supply, but also, in case of applying for military assistance from the LDNR, will provide it with military assistance.
      As soon as they twitch, then Russia will immediately receive legal grounds for military assistance.
      If they don’t twitch, then the Minsk agreements.
      1. AUL
        AUL 15 February 2022 19: 33
        +3
        Quote: flicker
        As soon as they twitch, then Russia will immediately receive legal grounds for military assistance.
        If they don’t twitch, then the Minsk agreements.

        Well, things are incompatible here! Or cowards, or a cross! (c) If we recognize the independence of the LDNR, then what the hell are the Minsk agreements?
        1. karish
          karish 15 February 2022 19: 42
          -8
          Quote: AUL
          Quote: flicker
          As soon as they twitch, then Russia will immediately receive legal grounds for military assistance.
          If they don’t twitch, then the Minsk agreements.

          Well, things are incompatible here! Or cowards, or a cross! (c) If we recognize the independence of the LDNR, then what the hell are the Minsk agreements?

          here it is exactly. recognition of the independence of the LDNR automatically removes Russia from the Normandy 4 and puts an end to Minsk.
          Bingo. fellow
        2. flicker
          flicker 15 February 2022 21: 11
          -2
          If we recognize the independence of the LDNR
          It will enter into force only after signing by the President.
          And you can sign it right away if the military situation in the LDNR requires it, or later, if the Armed Forces of Ukraine do not twitch and there will be no hostilities in the LDNR.
    7. Looking for
      Looking for 15 February 2022 18: 03
      +1
      but much more important is that the recognition of the Russian Federation "republics" will create for Ukraine "If Putin supports the appeal of the State Duma of the Russian Federation on the recognition of the self-proclaimed republics, Ukraine will receive additional territorial claims."
      The head of the EU Delegation to Ukraine, Matti Maasikas, said that if Russia recognizes the "DPR" and "LPR", new territorial claims to Ukraine will arise. He wrote about this on Tuesday, February 15, on Twitter. And a country with territorial problems is NOT NEEDED either in the EU or in NATO.
    8. lis-ik
      lis-ik 15 February 2022 19: 23
      +2
      Quote: sen
      The State Duma adopted a draft resolution of an appeal to the President on the recognition of the republics of Donbass

      The United States finished the game, now Russia will officially be able to supply weapons to the LDNR, but the Minsk agreements are over.

      No, not the end. Putin commented on this project in terms of the fact that the possibilities of the Minsk agreements have not yet been exhausted and ..... blah ... blah .... blah, then another chatter. Does anyone else have any hopes or doubts?
      1. flicker
        flicker 15 February 2022 23: 47
        0
        Does anyone else have any hopes or doubts?
        What are the hopes and doubts?
        The purpose of the adopted project is to stop the highly probable attack of the Armed Forces of Ukraine on the LDNR. Since the adoption of this project changes the legal basis for Russian military assistance to the LDNR in the event of the outbreak of hostilities by Ukraine.
        If before the adoption of this draft (and it comes into force after signing by the president), our military participation in protecting the population of the LDNR from the point of view of world law could be regarded as an act of Russia's attack on Ukraine, then with the new draft this will already be a legal basis for military assistance to independent republics.
  2. DymOk_v_dYmke
    DymOk_v_dYmke 15 February 2022 15: 15
    +6
    As a result, the communist version won, 351 deputies voted for it, and 310 deputies voted for the United Russia project.

    Good sign!
    I expected the opposite.
    1. nnm
      nnm 15 February 2022 15: 23
      0
      Yes, surprised too. In general, I do not understand the logic of EP. They voted "for" both one (KPRF) and their second (EP) version of the appeal. Apparently, in order not to be mistaken in understanding the party line
      1. Joker62
        Joker62 15 February 2022 16: 28
        -9
        Quote: nnm
        Yes, surprised too. In general, I do not understand the logic of EP. They voted "for" both one (KPRF) and their second (EP) version of the appeal. Apparently, in order not to be mistaken in understanding the party line

        And what is there to be surprised if in the United Russia the majority are degenerates of the former CPSU. Someone must have awakened a conscience, so the alignment of voting has changed.
        1. Azis
          Azis 15 February 2022 18: 21
          -2
          Quote: Joker62
          degenerates of the former CPSU
          Well, why did you immediately diagnose them, they are simple renegades
      2. g1v2
        g1v2 15 February 2022 17: 08
        +2
        The meaning is that "it was not our idea". Like it's all the communists came up with, and so supported the EP. Democracy fellow
    2. Emergency
      Emergency 15 February 2022 16: 09
      +5
      Don't be fooled. So it had to be. It would not have been necessary as it was. laughing
  3. 210ox
    210ox 15 February 2022 15: 15
    +1
    I'm interested in what's next. Will the GDP send a request to the Ministry of Foreign Affairs, or will it make a decision on its own? Yesterday there was a message that this issue could not be resolved without a decision from the Ministry of Foreign Affairs.
    1. nnm
      nnm 15 February 2022 15: 26
      0
      They accepted the appeal in the version without consultations with the Foreign Ministry, as suggested by EP.
      1. Norbert
        Norbert 15 February 2022 15: 42
        +3
        read the article:
        "The whole difference between the projects lay in the procedure: the communists suggested sending the appeal to the president immediately, while United Russia suggested sending the project first for consultation to the Foreign Ministry, and then to the president."
        1. nnm
          nnm 15 February 2022 15: 44
          0
          First read what I wrote .... this is exactly the same as in your quote.
    2. 1976AG
      1976AG 15 February 2022 15: 51
      +5
      Quote: 210ox
      I'm interested in what's next. Will the GDP send a request to the Ministry of Foreign Affairs, or will it make a decision on its own? Yesterday there was a message that this issue could not be resolved without a decision from the Ministry of Foreign Affairs.

      What is the point of sending a request to the Foreign Ministry if foreign policy is determined not by the Foreign Ministry, but by the President?
      1. 210ox
        210ox 15 February 2022 16: 03
        -2
        I do not argue. I'm talking about the fact that yesterday there was a discussion on the site and it was said (I will not climb and search) that in any version, the President on this issue will listen to the opinion of the Foreign Ministry.
        1. New Year day
          New Year day 15 February 2022 16: 05
          +2
          Quote: 210ox
          in any version, the President on this issue will listen to the opinion of the Foreign Ministry.

          Putin is primary, Lavrov is secondary. Lavrov's opinion coincides with Putin's
          1. for
            for 15 February 2022 20: 40
            +1
            Quote: Silvestr
            Putin is primary, Lavrov is secondary. Lavrov's opinion coincides with Putin's

            The bureaucracy is still the most important.
        2. 1976AG
          1976AG 15 February 2022 16: 14
          0
          Well, then on all serious serious issues, he consults and not only with the Foreign Ministry.
      2. Looking for
        Looking for 15 February 2022 18: 05
        0
        But it is the Ministry of Foreign Affairs that is implementing this policy.
  4. VORON538
    VORON538 15 February 2022 15: 16
    0
    What will happen next? The fact that the Western world does not recognize the LDNR is understandable, the question is how the republics themselves will live now. Will Russia take them into its structure or ...
    1. 210ox
      210ox 15 February 2022 15: 25
      0
      Most likely, the first agreement on cooperation and defense. Well, then ... It all depends on the leadership. Wow, they still can't unite.
      1. VORON538
        VORON538 15 February 2022 15: 34
        -3
        Here the question will already arise that the locals cannot agree among themselves on who will lead. Someone will have to give in, and the decisive vote will come from Moscow, as one of the conditions for recognition.
      2. populist
        populist 15 February 2022 17: 53
        0
        Quote: 210ox
        Wow, they still can't unite.

        They did not unite, because there was no team from Moscow. And there was no team, in turn, because this would violate the Minsk agreements.
        Now a new situation has developed and both republics must be recognized with the supply of the necessary funds to them. It turns out that part of the territory of the two sovereign and independent republics of Donbass is occupied by Bandera Nazi Ukraine. She has a territorial conflict and NATO does not shine for her.
        But in this case, there is no need to join. Such an unification will confuse a clear political picture, and without unification it is much easier.
        I think he will sign a confession. Many factors point to this.
        1. 210ox
          210ox 15 February 2022 17: 57
          0
          And I hope so. There, Scholz is now diverting attention from the pressing ..
    2. Azis
      Azis 15 February 2022 18: 24
      -1
      Quote: VORON538
      how will the republics themselves live now
      Like PMR, South Ossetia, Abkhazia. Some Vanuatu recognizes them internationally.
    3. DymOk_v_dYmke
      DymOk_v_dYmke 15 February 2022 18: 59
      +1
      Quote: VORON538
      What will happen next? The fact that the Western world does not recognize the LDNR is understandable, the question is how the republics themselves will live now. Will Russia take them into its structure or ...

      To begin with, it is enough that, if recognized, Russia will be able to respond to their requests as states and be able to take them under protection.
  5. SKVichyakow
    SKVichyakow 15 February 2022 15: 16
    +2
    To what extent will they be recognized? In fact, or according to their documents.
  6. Romario_Argo
    Romario_Argo 15 February 2022 15: 17
    -3
    78% issued - FOR
    waiting for GDP
    then we can legally provide military assistance, or draw up a union treaty
    or even take to the CSTO
    recognition of LDNR does not mean what are our subjects
    * "serfs" are already officially at risk tough get
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  8. nnm
    nnm 15 February 2022 15: 18
    +15
    It is very important what will follow this decision:
    1. Will the president sign;
    2. If yes, then:
    2.1 will the republics appeal on the issue of joining the Russian Federation or will we limit ourselves to half-measures by analogy with Abkhazia.
    2 2. In fact, this will be a way out of the Minsk agreements. And, accordingly, sanctions. Are we ready for them and shouldn't we immediately accept the republics as part of the Russian Federation, so as not to "go twice".

    In fact, I would like that after 8 years, the republics would become part of Russia, regardless of any sanctions, and we have already finished this murder of the civilian population of the LDNR by the Ukronazis and began to restore peaceful life.

    And if these are just political games that will end just with some kind of exchange, or half-measures in the form of simply recognizing independence, then this will be extremely unfair in relation to the inhabitants of the LDNR.
    1. Xnumx vis
      Xnumx vis 15 February 2022 15: 27
      +2
      Quote: nnm
      2. If yes, then:
      2.1 will the republics appeal on the issue of joining the Russian Federation or will we limit ourselves to half-measures by analogy with Abkhazia.

      I really want this option to be. Accepted into Russia without any other options .. options.
    2. Aag
      Aag 15 February 2022 15: 29
      +4
      Quote: nnm
      It is very important what will follow this decision:
      1. Will the president sign;
      2. If yes, then:
      2.1 will the republics appeal on the issue of joining the Russian Federation or will we limit ourselves to half-measures by analogy with Abkhazia.
      2 2. In fact, this will be a way out of the Minsk agreements. And, accordingly, sanctions. Are we ready for them and shouldn't we immediately accept the republics as part of the Russian Federation, so as not to "go twice".

      In fact, I would like that after 8 years, the republics would become part of Russia, regardless of any sanctions, and we have already finished this murder of the civilian population of the LDNR by the Ukronazis and began to restore peaceful life.

      And if these are just political games that will end just with some kind of exchange, or half-measures in the form of simply recognizing independence, then this will be extremely unfair in relation to the inhabitants of the LDNR.

      "... In fact, this will be a way out of the Minsk agreements ..."
      This will be point 1! With all the consequences. No one will be interested in who and how did not fulfill the Minsk agreements for many years before, Moscow will be immortalized as a violator.
      1. nnm
        nnm 15 February 2022 15: 39
        +6
        Yes exactly. And, therefore, SP-2 is likely to be closed, and many sanctions will be introduced. That's why I say, I hope that this will not be a half-hearted decision, painful for our economy, but a full-fledged one, which will allow the LDNR to become part of the Russian Federation and end these murders of Donbas residents.
        To receive sanctions, so at least for something really, worthwhile.
      2. anzar
        anzar 15 February 2022 15: 50
        +1
        "... In fact, this will be a way out of the Minsk agreements ..."
        This will be point 1! With all the consequences. No one will be interested in who and how did not fulfill the Minsk agreements for many years before, Moscow will be immortalized as a violator.

        Yes, stupid again. Eto unties the hands of Kiev, Russia is losing all of Ukraine. Besides, what are the limits? They could also cite Kosovo as an example - Serbia still has a path to the EU.
        Or they could recognize as independent the subsidiaries of the establishment by Ukraine of a "special status" (federalization), i.e. implementation of agreements. And then ... an attempt to fulfill them will itself split them, but now to the west of Kiev.
      3. VORON538
        VORON538 15 February 2022 15: 54
        +4
        Moscow is always to blame for them even without this. hi
    3. tihonmarine
      tihonmarine 15 February 2022 15: 39
      -4
      Quote: nnm
      1. Will the president sign

      In the wording of the Communist Party, Putin is unlikely to sign.
      1. nnm
        nnm 15 February 2022 15: 40
        +3
        Given the fact that the United Russia faction voted for the Communist Party version, I would not be so sure of this.
        1. Smoker
          Smoker 15 February 2022 16: 01
          -8
          Quote: tihonmarine
          Quote: nnm
          1. Will the president sign

          In the wording of the Communist Party, Putin is unlikely to sign.



          Quote: nnm
          Given the fact that the United Russia faction voted for the Communist Party version, I would not be so sure of this.



          And what is the difference between EP and the Communist Party, except to throw dust in the eyes of the voter? laughing
          1. nnm
            nnm 15 February 2022 16: 07
            +1
            The fact that in the Communist Party of the Russian Federation, not everyone is on the payroll of the authorities. For example, Bondarenko, Rashkin. But in general, taking into account Zyuganov, they are the same, but in profile.
        2. tihonmarine
          tihonmarine 15 February 2022 20: 15
          0
          Quote: nnm
          Given the fact that the United Russia faction voted for the Communist Party version, I would not be so sure of this.

          I do not know what to say, but life will show. As in the saying "Spring will show ...."
    4. Alexander Seklitsky
      Alexander Seklitsky 15 February 2022 17: 10
      -1
      Quote: nnm
      In fact, this will be a way out of the Minsk agreements. And, accordingly, the sanctions

      And what is Russia listed as a party to the conflict in those agreements? Moscow did not sign any agreements there, if anything. Moscow side is the arbitrator. Just like France and Germany. And the Ukrainians were supposed to do it. With regard to SP2 and sanctions. If they could introduce them, they would long ago have introduced and strangled Russia. But this is not even a shot in the foot, but a shot in the stomach right away. And for the Germans, and in general in the head. laughing
      1. DymOk_v_dYmke
        DymOk_v_dYmke 15 February 2022 19: 10
        +1
        Quote: Alexander Seklitsky
        And for the Germans, and in general in the head.

        It can be clarified: a shot of the striped ones in the German head is the head of a competitor.
        1. Alexander Seklitsky
          Alexander Seklitsky 15 February 2022 19: 15
          -1
          of course ... not for this they actively promoted this project in order to abandon it. According to the balanced rhetoric of Berlin, this is understandable, and even by actions
    5. paul3390
      paul3390 15 February 2022 17: 47
      +5
      And, accordingly, sanctions.

      Then it all makes no sense. Since we’ll rake one hell of a lot, we must honestly deserve them. Taking ALL Little Russia. Otherwise, it will be very disappointing - to pay for a small piece as for a large one.
  9. prior
    prior 15 February 2022 15: 18
    -1
    How messed up everything is - draft resolution of the appeal

    It looks like the Duma is not a legislative body at all, but a kind of sycophant of the president.
    But they could immediately adopt a resolution on recognition, in the first reading.
    Everything is tricky.....
    1. nnm
      nnm 15 February 2022 15: 22
      +4
      They could have done it 8 years ago. But they cannot adopt a law, since the constitution provides for the signing of a decree by the president on the basis of an appeal from the State Duma
    2. SKVichyakow
      SKVichyakow 15 February 2022 15: 25
      -1
      Quote: prior
      How messed up everything is - draft resolution of the appeal

      It looks like the Duma is not a legislative body at all, but a kind of sycophant of the president.
      But they could immediately adopt a resolution on recognition, in the first reading.
      Everything is tricky.....

      Nobody wants to take responsibility, and they won't.
  10. Lontus
    Lontus 15 February 2022 15: 19
    +5
    Better late than never.
    But unfortunately, this is only the beginning of the process, but the LDNR must be recognized as quickly as possible.
  11. Split
    Split 15 February 2022 15: 38
    -6
    It’s strange somehow against the background of news about the withdrawal of troops from Belarus what
    But in my opinion, GDP is tired of pulling pleasure by the tail ... because you can break
  12. 501Legion
    501Legion 15 February 2022 15: 44
    -4
    There will be no Recognition, because it will complicate everything specifically for Russia, well, they recognize Novorossia Kiev will refuse to comply with the Minsk agreements, either war or new agreements But Kiev will already dictate its terms here, so it’s good to recognize it - but there will be more problems for the Russian Federation
    1. VORON538
      VORON538 15 February 2022 15: 57
      0
      Who knows more about what is happening than those people who have access to information from all over the world? Perhaps the recognition of the republics is a chance to avoid massacre, who knows more on the forum than in the Kremlin and the White House? There will be problems in any case, the only question is what they will be and what will be the means of their solution.
      1. Plate
        Plate 15 February 2022 22: 27
        0
        who knows more on the forum than in the Kremlin and the White House

        Yes, don’t ask anyone who is popular - everyone knows. So in vain you are so bullied on the forum wink
    2. Alexander Seklitsky
      Alexander Seklitsky 15 February 2022 16: 59
      +3
      But Kuev refuses to fulfill them anyway. And in a brazen and cynical manner. How long can you put yourself in a miserable light and bleat about some kind of dead agreements? Even the platform for negotiations in Minsk is no more and will not be.
  13. Norbert
    Norbert 15 February 2022 15: 46
    -11
    this had to be done either much earlier or much later (depending on the development of the situation)
    and now it is the sabotage of the Minsk agreements and the outbreak of war
    1. Alexander Seklitsky
      Alexander Seklitsky 15 February 2022 16: 56
      +3
      And what did these Minsk agreements give you? Any adequate person understands that this is just an empty phrase.
      1. Norbert
        Norbert 15 February 2022 18: 04
        +1
        the Minsk agreements themselves are good:
        1. Russia is not a party to the conflict; Russia is the referee
        2. France and Germany have obligations to create a banking infrastructure for the LDNR
        3. ukraine has obligations to de-escalate
        4. LDNR has de-escalation responsibilities

        The Minsk Agreements have been adopted by the UN. this creates a precedent that we can refer to in similar situations throughout the post-Soviet space and the world, and in which case we can solve the problem of conflicts in a similar way

        it is clear that the problem is that no one except the LDNR fulfills their duties and which is very unpleasant, purely from a human point of view.
        BUT emotions have no place here, you need to force them to fulfill their duties (this has not yet worked out)
        or force them to leave, and then we have complete freedom of action (from the height of the UN), and you can recognize, conquer, impose sanctions and punish reptiles

        Further, if we now recognize the LDNR, a number of questions arise:
        1. then we violate the Minsk agreements and become not an arbitrator, but definitely a party to the conflict
        2. within what limits?
        3. Where does the legitimacy of the LDNR come from?
        4. Do we recognize the legitimacy of Ukraine's current power over the remaining territory?
        5. Do you think that the shelling will end immediately?
        6. How to put things in order in the rest of Ukraine?

        and yet, the problem with Ukraine is that we have Slavic fascists at our side, i.e.
        1. these fascists can quite successfully wage a sabotage war on our territory
        I mean terrorist attacks, swindling people for money over the phone, harassing our services with imaginary mining, etc.
        2. they may try to unleash a sluggish war on the territory of Eastern Europe and the countries of the former USSR (be sure that the same Western Europeans will help them with pleasure)
        3. The Europeans brainwashed the Ukrainians and made Nazis out of them, it is necessary to stop this inhuman experiment on the Slavs, or there is no need to talk about any center of concentration of control and the Russian World with a policy in Russia.
        well, actually, etc.
        1. Alexander Seklitsky
          Alexander Seklitsky 15 February 2022 18: 19
          +2
          Quote: norbert
          BUT emotions have no place here, you need to force them to fulfill their duties (this has not yet worked out)

          It's like appealing to the conscience of an unbelted gopnik. No, until he gets punched in the face, he won't listen.
          Quote: norbert
          1. these fascists can quite successfully wage a sabotage war on our territory
          I mean terrorist attacks, swindling people for money over the phone, harassing our services with imaginary mining, etc.
          2. they may try to unleash a sluggish war on the territory of Eastern Europe and the countries of the former USSR (be sure that the same Western Europeans will help them with pleasure)

          What is stopping them from doing it now? Again, the analogy with the gopnik is just as appropriate here. A vivid example is with Georgia. But they also pulled the tiger's whiskers for a long time and stubbornly. Now it's quiet.
          Quote: norbert
          the Europeans brainwashed the ukrams and made them fascists, it is necessary to stop this inhuman experiment on the Slavs

          Well, not for everyone, far from everyone. Many will gladly change their shoes in the air with a change in the center of forces. Wedding in Malinovka is a direct documentary about Ukraine laughing
      2. Repellent
        Repellent 15 February 2022 18: 25
        0
        Quote: Alexander Seklitsky
        it's just an empty sound

        And in the meantime:

        German Chancellor Olaf Scholz, after talks with Russian President Vladimir Putin in the Kremlin, said that Ukrainian leader Volodymyr Zelensky had firmly pledged that within the framework of the contact group, all bills on the status of Donbass and changes to the constitution will soon be discussed

        1. Alexander Seklitsky
          Alexander Seklitsky 15 February 2022 18: 32
          0
          At headquarters, they have already denied this. No one promised anything.
          1. Repellent
            Repellent 15 February 2022 19: 01
            0
            Quote: Alexander Seklitsky
            No one promised anything

            Did I understand correctly that German Chancellor Olaf Scholz is blatantly lying? laughing
            1. Alexander Seklitsky
              Alexander Seklitsky 15 February 2022 19: 05
              0
              let's just say .. deluded.
              1. Repellent
                Repellent 15 February 2022 19: 25
                0
                Quote: Alexander Seklitsky
                let's just say .. delusional

                Weird. For a politician of this rank - well, just very strange. Okay, let's look at the sequel...
                1. Alexander Seklitsky
                  Alexander Seklitsky 15 February 2022 19: 28
                  -1
                  because it's all shaking the air.
            2. Plate
              Plate 15 February 2022 22: 31
              0
              Is German Chancellor Olaf Scholz brazenly lying?

              Of course he's lying! The Germans are traitors, haven't you heard? They don’t want to give weapons to the only defender of democracy in Europe, they don’t impose sanctions against barbarians, and even cooperate with them! Of course, such soulless creatures will blatantly lie wassat
  14. Crimean partisan 1974
    Crimean partisan 1974 15 February 2022 15: 49
    +2
    Finally the ice is gone...
  15. nikvic46
    nikvic46 15 February 2022 16: 06
    -2
    I am cold about this recognition. And not because these republics of Donbass are not recognized by others. There are even unrecognized states by other countries. And they live nothing. Recognition is one thing, but taking on the rise of these republics is another matter. And if without widespread help, then this is just a declaration.
  16. Alexander Ra
    Alexander Ra 15 February 2022 16: 46
    +4
    Need to acknowledge. And it is right to look at this not only from the present moment, but recognizing the centuries-old genocide of the Slavs in Europe. More than once Russia-Russia reflected the adversary from Europe. The Belovezhskaya collusion was missed, this is a serious defeat (about separatism, fragmentation into Russia, Ukraine, Belarus). Not to restore the unity of the people - to allow further dismemberment of us.
  17. Autocorrect
    Autocorrect 15 February 2022 17: 05
    +1
    I really hope that the appeal to the president with a request to think and make a decision is just a formality. The solution is obvious - recognize as soon as possible.
  18. p0pulivox
    p0pulivox 15 February 2022 19: 45
    -4
    The State Duma adopted a draft resolution of an appeal to the President on the recognition of the republics of Donbass
    Accurate forecasts are not possible right now. So let's wait and see. For now:
    “I will proceed from the fact that we must do everything to solve the problems of Donbass, but do it the way the Federal Chancellor said, primarily based on the not fully realized opportunities to implement the Minsk agreements,” Putin added.
    1. karish
      karish 15 February 2022 19: 47
      -11
      Quote: p0pulivox
      I will proceed from the fact that we must do everything to solve the problems of Donbass, but do it the way the Federal Chancellor said, primarily based on the not fully realized opportunities to implement the Minsk agreements," Putin added.

      and under the Minsk agreements - LDNR - part of Ukraine.
      I think they are destined for the fate of S. Ossetia and Abkhazia.
      No luck.
  19. Sloboda0
    Sloboda0 15 February 2022 22: 38
    -1
    A bunch of bastards are to blame for all this chaos. In 2014, after the main Maidan, a memorandum was signed between the Yanyk and the "type of opposition" in the presence of figures from the EU. If this were observed, then now the whole picture would be different, and radically. From that moment on, there were no real reasons to continue the Maidan. But the group of degenerates continued, in order to collect as many political dividends as possible. As a result, the war, the international crisis, millions of broken destinies. The question is ... why are all these Poroshenkos and other Parubias (and their curators, of course) still alive.
  20. eehnie
    eehnie 15 February 2022 22: 48
    -2
    This is very good news for the residents of Donetsk and Luhansk.

    Russia's recognition of the Donetsk and Lugansk Republics will have important benefits for the populations of the Republics, which could be one step closer to joining Russia along the Crimea route. It is positive that the ethnically and linguistically Russian population is joining Russia.

    Even without the recognition of the Republics, Russia would be able to provide military assistance to the Donetsk and Luhansk Republics in the same way that the United States helped Taiwan (not officially recognized by the United States).

    But with recognition, the legitimacy of military assistance to the Donetsk and Lugansk Republics becomes higher.

    (Automatically translated from English. Below is the original commentary in English)

    This is very good news for the citizens of Donetsk and Lugansk.

    A recognition by Russia of the Republics of Donetsk and Lugansk will have important benefits for the population of the Republics, that can be one step closer to the incorporation to Russia following the way of Crimea. It is positive that ethnically and lingustically Russian population join Russia.

    Even without recognition of the Republics Russia would be albe to provide to the Republics of Donetsk and Lugansk military help, by the same way used by the United States to help to Taiwan (not officially recognized by the United States).

    But with the recognition, the legitimacy of the military help to the Republics of Donetsk and Lugansk is superior.