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Israel Blocks US Delivery of Iron Dome Anti-Missile System to Ukraine

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Ukraine will not receive the Israeli Iron Dome missile defense system, Israel managed to stop the transfer of the complex to Kiev, started by the Americans. This is reported by the publication "Yediot Ahronot".


According to the newspaper, the United States intended to transfer to Ukraine the Iron Dome complex previously delivered by Israel, since it was not possible to "fit" it into the American air defense system. According to available information, last spring Kiev requested from the United States the supply of Patriot systems and the Iron Dome missile defense system, and Washington was inclined to a positive decision on this request, at least with regard to the Israeli system.

However, Israel, not wanting to spoil relations with Russia, took a series of steps aimed at preventing the Iron Dome from getting into Ukraine, and it succeeded. The United States reportedly accepted the position of the Israeli authorities, and Kiev has already expressed disappointment with this outcome.

Perhaps the Ukrainian authorities already knew that the Iron Dome missile defense system would not arrive in Ukraine and began to "prepare the ground" for explaining this refusal. There is no other way to explain the statement of Ukrainian Defense Minister Oleksiy Reznik, made at the beginning of February of this year, that Ukraine does not need the Iron Dome missile defense system. Moreover, Reznikov explained all this by saying that the "Iron Dome" was supposedly not capable of solving the tasks assigned to the country's air defense.

According to Reznikov, the Iron Dome system cannot provide protection for strategic facilities, since it is designed to protect against slow missiles flying over short distances, that is, made in "garages in neighboring countries." Therefore, it is not suitable for covering nuclear power plants, airfields and other important facilities.

Talk about the Israeli system was not conducted in an empty place, last year the Ministry of Defense of Ukraine announced its desire to acquire the Israeli Iron Dome anti-missile system, but recognized it as too expensive, but accepting it as a gift from the United States to protect "from Russia" in Kiev would did not refuse.
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  1. seti
    seti 15 February 2022 14: 02
    +6
    Well, it’s not in vain that our large landing craft unloaded in Tartus. Jews definitely know something :)
    1. Civil
      Civil 15 February 2022 14: 13
      +15
      Jews believe that Ukraine should still buy Kumpol, and not get it for free laughing
    2. knn54
      knn54 15 February 2022 14: 19
      +12
      A couple of days ago, the Russian military, in the course of repelling an Israeli Air Force attack on targets near Damascus, used a NEW (not in service) electronic warfare system deployed in the SAR.

      After a powerful exposure to radio emission, the operation of anti-missile defense was disrupted, the IDF cannot detect missile launches from Syria, Iran and Lebanon. The impact was felt at a distance of up to 300 km.
      As evidence of the impact of electronic warfare, data from the FR24 service is also given, which reflects violations in determining the GPS coordinates of aircraft in the area of ​​Ben Gurion Airport in Tel Aviv.
      1. Letun
        Letun 15 February 2022 14: 36
        +8
        Quote: knn54
        A couple of days ago, the Russian military, in the course of repelling an Israeli Air Force attack on targets near Damascus, used a NEW (not in service) electronic warfare system deployed in the SAR.

        After a powerful exposure to radio emission, the operation of anti-missile defense was disrupted, the IDF cannot detect missile launches from Syria, Iran and Lebanon. The impact was felt at a distance of up to 300 km.
        As evidence of the impact of electronic warfare, data from the FR24 service is also given, which reflects violations in determining the GPS coordinates of aircraft in the area of ​​Ben Gurion Airport in Tel Aviv.

        The same source of information that reported about the sailors of the American destroyer "Donald Cook" who filed reports for dismissal, frightened by the overflight of the Su-24? The syllable is very similar laughing
        1. Charik
          Charik 15 February 2022 15: 17
          +3
          there is a source written there that confirmed that ZHIPIES was "buggy" - data from the FR24 service, but from what it remains to be guessed
      2. Vitaly gusin
        Vitaly gusin 15 February 2022 15: 51
        +1
        Quote: knn54
        A couple of days ago, the Russian military, in the course of repelling an Israeli Air Force attack on targets near Damascus, used a NEW (not in service) electronic warfare system deployed in the SAR.

        Let's separate the fly cutlets.
        Yes, there was a glitch in the GPS, and it was
        1 February.
        The failure was only in the air and did not concern work on the ground. This interfered with civil aviation aircraft, but they also have other means of navigation. The reasons are not known, to a request to the VKS there was an answer that they did not include anything.
        This does not interfere with the actions of the Israeli Air Force.
        The event you are describing was February 9 and yes the Rubella-4 system worked.
        But this did not prevent in any way from making two visits to the targets and destroying them, but it may have had an effect on the Syrian air defense system. according to the Syrian media, the strike was from the west, and the air defense missile was fired to the south. And only then, in response to a missile that flew into Israeli airspace, 10 ground-to-ground missiles were launched from the Golan Heights and the radar and battery from which the missile was fired were destroyed.
      3. And Us Rat
        And Us Rat 16 February 2022 01: 47
        -1
        Quote: knn54
        A couple of days ago, the Russian military, in the course of repelling an Israeli Air Force attack on targets near Damascus, used a NEW (not in service) electronic warfare system deployed in the SAR.

        Which did not affect the course of the attack in any way, since the IDF uses electro-optical GOS and INS. As a result, all the intended targets were destroyed, the rest is from the evil one.

        Quote: knn54
        After a powerful exposure to radio emission, the work of anti-missile defense was disrupted, the IDF cannot detect missile launches from Syria, Iran and Lebanon.


        But dreaming is not bad.

        Quote: knn54
        As evidence of the impact of electronic warfare, data from the FR24 service is also given, which reflects violations in determining the GPS coordinates of aircraft in the area of ​​Ben Gurion Airport in Tel Aviv.

        This is your violation of GPS coordinates, Ben Gurion Airport is located in Lod.
        In general, disrupting the operation of unprotected civilian equipment is, of course, an "achievement", you can't say anything.
        You just reminded me of the ukroshumers, the style is similar.
    3. And Us Rat
      And Us Rat 15 February 2022 14: 48
      +17
      Quote: seti
      Jews know exactly what

      The Jews know what a mess is going on in Ukraine, and they fear that the technology will leak to the enemies of Israel, for a bottle of moonshine the ensign of the Armed Forces of Ukraine. No.
      Therefore, they decided that "technology in the hands of the natives" should not be in principle.
      1. paul3390
        paul3390 15 February 2022 15: 18
        +2
        I think that's not the point. And in the hardware that would immediately end up in Iran if Israel agreed to such a transfer.
        1. El Chuvachino
          El Chuvachino 15 February 2022 15: 25
          +4
          I think so too. First of all, they will think about their safety before giving something.
  2. Thrifty
    Thrifty 15 February 2022 14: 03
    +1
    I am sure that the Yankees did not just return the dome to the Israelis. It is possible that some kind of weapon, maybe outdated, or Israeli Tamir armored personnel carriers will be put into the army instead. The Yankees do not give back anything to anyone and never, if it is impossible to get a gefesht from such a step.
    1. AUL
      AUL 15 February 2022 14: 48
      +3
      Quote: Thrifty
      I am sure that the Yankees did not just return the dome to the Israelis.

      What did they return? Where is the information from?
    2. And Us Rat
      And Us Rat 16 February 2022 01: 51
      -1
      Quote: Thrifty
      Israeli BTR Tamir

      What kind of beast is this? belay
  3. Cananecat
    Cananecat 15 February 2022 14: 06
    +11
    took a series of steps aimed at preventing the "Iron Dome" from getting into Ukraine, and he succeeded.

    Possible reasons for refusal:
    1. Discrimination of the ZhK by Russian weapons systems.
    2. Sale by Ukraine of technical documentation to Russia.
    3. The main reason, in my opinion, is the further maintenance and maintenance of the LCD at the expense of the country of origin. laughing
    1. Trapp1st
      Trapp1st 15 February 2022 14: 29
      +4
      4. The US was not going to give it to Ukraine.
    2. URAL72
      URAL72 15 February 2022 14: 53
      +9
      Possible reasons for failure:

      There is only one reason: the possibility of the complex falling into the hands of Russia, in case of war.
      1. Paranoid50
        Paranoid50 15 February 2022 23: 06
        0
        Quote: URAL72
        There is only one reason: the possibility of the complex falling into the hands of Russia, in case of war.

        Yes, there was a need... laughing Anti-Barmaley air defense in the RF Armed Forces is already available. But to be shattered without a single return shot - yes, this is already unplanned additional costs for a kosher manufacturer (you can write it all together), both image and financial. The latter is already from the category of "eternal values", which the Israelis will not allow anyone to swipe at. am yes
        1. And Us Rat
          And Us Rat 16 February 2022 01: 54
          -1
          Quote: Paranoid50
          shattered without a single return shot

          wink
  4. APASUS
    APASUS 15 February 2022 14: 08
    +17
    Israel prefers to keep its secrets secret, and giving Ukraine such a significant system means sharing their information with the whole world. And the fact that they chose a position that would not quarrel with the Russians is simply the best excuse.
  5. Zaurbek
    Zaurbek 15 February 2022 14: 08
    +12
    However, Israel, not wanting to spoil relations with Russia, took a series of steps aimed at preventing the Iron Dome from getting into Ukraine, and it succeeded.


    to the Russian Federation in no way sideways .... this is a defensive system and is not against the Russian Federation (it will not help against volleys of GRAD systems) and 152mm howitzers according to the standards) ... they are simply afraid of a technology leak.
    1. Vadim237
      Vadim237 15 February 2022 15: 16
      -8
      What technologies are leaking - all the technical solutions that have been used in the Iron Dome for a long time and everyone knows there are no unique technical solutions of interest there.
      1. Zaurbek
        Zaurbek 15 February 2022 19: 44
        +1
        I agree ... the question is efficiency, gunpowder and brains, etc.
  6. And Us Rat
    And Us Rat 15 February 2022 14: 08
    -1
    Why are you so hard at once???
    The sect of "witnesses of enemy Zion" will break the pattern. Corvalol is not enough for everyone. belay
    1. VORON538
      VORON538 15 February 2022 14: 17
      +3
      [[/i]So what will the citizens of Israel say, who for the most part support Ukraine on the forum? lolDid your government do the right thing by not giving unpredictable Ukraine access to weapons? Or was it supposed to support Ukraine? winked
      PS: the Israelis (I suspect with Ukrainian roots) silently minus lol
      1. And Us Rat
        And Us Rat 15 February 2022 14: 43
        +7
        Quote: VORON538
        Israeli citizens, who for the most part support Ukraine on the forum

        Is that what you decided for them?
        I will upset you, for most Russian-speaking Israelis, in general, in parallel to the Russian-Ukrainian showdown, their position is "a plague on both of your houses", this conflict interferes with business and tourism. And 80% of Hebrew speakers don't even know about them, since the Israeli media do not touch on this topic, it does not bring a rating.
        1. VORON538
          VORON538 15 February 2022 14: 59
          -6
          Here are funny ..., a little something, they are on the sides with shouts of "but we don't know what to do here" :))) There were enough of yours here to draw conclusions.
          1. And Us Rat
            And Us Rat 16 February 2022 01: 34
            -5
            Quote: VORON538
            do not pg than

            Are you parodying Lenin? wassat
    2. And Us Rat
      And Us Rat 15 February 2022 14: 40
      +5
      Py.Sy. And finally stop replicating illiterate nonsense about the "position of Tel Aviv", Tel Aviv cannot have any position, since this city does not have any status.
      If beliefs do not allow writing Jerusalem - there are still a lot of turns of speech, you can write "the position of Israel", or "the position of the Israeli capital."
      The first rule of honest journalism is not to compose something that is not there, you can hush it up, engage, and so on. These are legitimate tricks, but writing outright lies is yellow with an orange tint.
      Pearls about Tel Aviv are nonsense and ignorance from a purely syntactical point of view. fool
      1. Repellent
        Repellent 15 February 2022 14: 55
        +4
        Quote: And Us Rat
        Pearls about Tel Aviv are nonsense and ignorance purely from a syntactical point of view

        Come on...

        Quote: Vysotsky
        And he said this, well, it’s so beautiful,
        That I almost fell into the paws Tel Aviv.
        1. And Us Rat
          And Us Rat 16 February 2022 01: 31
          -2
          Quote: Vysotsky
          And he said this, well, it’s so beautiful,
          That I almost fell into the paws Tel Aviv.

          In his case, it was sarcasm.
          1. Repellent
            Repellent 16 February 2022 09: 06
            0
            Quote: And Us Rat
            it was sarcasm

            "Paws of Tel Aviv" is (somewhere) an idiom, still Soviet times. Don't you know? wink

            The tail is huge in the study
            Of the people, perhaps a hundred
            The bear was told "no"
            Well, I - "please",
            He shouted: "There's a mistake
            It's me - a Jew!
            And they say to him: "Not very much here!
            Get out of the door! "
      2. Lionnvrsk
        Lionnvrsk 15 February 2022 15: 18
        +4
        Quote: And Us Rat
        Pearls about Tel Aviv are nonsense and ignorance from a purely syntactical point of view.

        I agree with you, but these pearls are not only about Tel Aviv. It's just that a lot of illiterate journalists have divorced, who just want to press the fried news faster and don't even think about stopping to think about what they scribbled. yes
        I remember there was such Olga Nikitina in the View. So she wrote how two terrorists were arrested in four cities and how the hydraulics on the plane fell. laughing
        1. Paranoid50
          Paranoid50 15 February 2022 22: 56
          +3
          Quote: LIONnvrsk
          and how the hydraulics in the plane fell.

          And she fell with a swift jack, following the arrow of the oscilloscope. fellow wassat
  7. nnm
    nnm 15 February 2022 14: 09
    +6
    Yes, Ukraine, already two weeks ago, apparently, having received an unspoken negative answer from Israel, it already depicted that "I didn’t really want to" and said that the LCD did not suit her))))
    They are now drooling already on THAAD)))
    That's all the same, clearly the saying "impudence - the second happiness!" invented by lazy and greedy non-brothers.
    I think their application so directly says "preferably with money in small denominations for offshore."
  8. Split
    Split 15 February 2022 14: 10
    0
    The main thing is that the dome doesn’t fall on them ... it’s one thing to fire at Syria from Lebanon ... and another thing to get a hat laughing
  9. pavlov viahislav
    pavlov viahislav 15 February 2022 14: 16
    +3
    The iron dome was generally created as a stationary air defense system against primitive missiles. How is it with protection against interference, interception of low-flying missiles, counteraction to strikes by front-line aviation? I suspect not.
    1. Dym71
      Dym71 15 February 2022 14: 53
      +2
      Quote: pavlov viahislav
      The iron dome was generally created as a stationary air defense

      There are also sea-based ones, they use the ship's locator.
      Quote: pavlov viahislav
      interception of low-flying missiles, counteraction by front-line aviation

      These goals are not for the Iron Dome, but for the Sling of David, a layered air defense-missile defense system is being created in Israel, directly subordinate to the country's Air Force commander.
      1. pavlov viahislav
        pavlov viahislav 15 February 2022 15: 14
        +1
        So it seems like a ground version of a particular complex is being discussed. In response, you talk about the capabilities of the Israeli military-industrial complex in general, which no one doubts, the question is the quality / efficiency ratio. Israel, like all Western countries, suffers from the excessive price of high-tech products, which, in principle, are not capable of meeting the needs of a war of attrition.
        1. Dym71
          Dym71 15 February 2022 15: 25
          +5
          Quote: pavlov viahislav
          So it seems like a ground version of a particular complex is being discussed.

          A specific complex for Ukraine, like a dead poultice, there is nothing to integrate it into the Armed Forces of Ukraine.
          Quote: pavlov viahislav
          Israel, like all Western countries, suffers from the excessive price of high-tech products, which, in principle, are not capable of meeting the needs of a war of attrition.

          Israel will not have a war of attrition, they either pan or disappear, and the Americans at one time, in addition to their own needs, also had enough for Lend-Lease.
    2. And Us Rat
      And Us Rat 16 February 2022 02: 14
      -2
      Quote: pavlov viahislav
      How is it with protection against interference, interception of low-flying missiles, counteraction to front-line aviation strikes?

      Radar EL / M-2084 is considered one of the best and most noise-proof Radar station in the world (in the air defense / missile defense segment), and purchased by many camps. This is an AFAR capable of detecting an artillery shell at a distance of more than 100 km, and an aircraft at a distance of 500 km, capable of escorting and to process more than 1000 targets at once.

      Quote: pavlov viahislav
      I suspect not.

      And on what is this delusion based? Tell us how you came to this idea? wink
  10. sen
    sen 15 February 2022 14: 17
    +4
    Ukraine will not receive the Israeli Iron Dome missile defense system, Israel managed to stop the transfer of the complex to Kiev, started by the Americans.

    There are many reasons. Economic - let them buy from us for extra money.
    The Ukrainians refused - they demand the American THAAD.
    And maybe Israel remembers how Bandera Jews were killed in Ukraine during WWII.
  11. Amateur
    Amateur 15 February 2022 14: 20
    +4
    Finally, in Israel, they remembered who Bandera, Shukhevych was, and who were shot and buried alive by the lads from Nachtigall. Maybe in Israel they will also remember Zelensky’s nationality and ask him for the processions of nationalists with swastikas in Kiev.
    1. Krasnodar
      Krasnodar 15 February 2022 14: 36
      -4
      The same Syrian Nazis, legalized by him in 2005, with their national battalions fighting on the side of Bashar, pass by in Damascus, ziguet at the portrait of Assad.
      This is not the point - Israel does not want to take sides in the superpower conflict over the Eastern European hole, which is useless as a goat's milk. Everything is very simple hi
      1. D16
        D16 15 February 2022 16: 11
        +2
        the Syrian Nazis legalized by him in 2005 with their national battalions fighting on the side of Bashar are zigging at the portrait of Assad.

        The ancient Romans began to zigzag, welcoming Caesar and pretty much inherited in those places. So the Syrians greet their Caesar without departing from ancient traditions. When the Indians drew the prototype of the swastika, they did not hope in their hearts that in a few thousand years this symbol would be used by some Nazis. Now the heirs of the ancients should abandon the symbol of the sun? laughing
        1. Krasnodar
          Krasnodar 15 February 2022 16: 28
          -3
          Quote: D16
          The ancient Romans began to zigzag, welcoming Caesar and pretty much inherited in those places

          In the 20th century, the Germans repeated them in other places, and the Syrian Nazis from the SSNP followed them - here is a link to them: https://m.lenta.ru/articles/2017/03/20/syrian_ns/
          , also a hymn to the motive of Deutschland Deutschland, and the slogan - Syria is above all, etc. and the party is called social-rationalist - probably from ancient times? lol
          1. D16
            D16 15 February 2022 18: 56
            +1
            Deutschland Deutschland,

            Till Steiger in the song Deutschland also sang Deutschland Deutschland uber alles. Nazi? No, patriot. laughing .
            the party is called social rationalist

            Saad's plans were to separate religion from power, forbid the clergy to interfere in politics, remove contradictions between religious movements, put an end to feudalism and create a strong army. In the West, such a political movement would be quite conformist, but for the Lebanese and Syrians it was new. (c)
            Definitely damn foshizdy. laughing
            And the fact that at the beginning of the article some American narrow-minded journalist got a turnip in Beirut, the current is not good with his charter to climb into someone else's monastery. Serves right. I read the whole article and did not find anything reprehensible in the methods and goals of this organization.
            “The SSNP concept of a secular Syrian nation, consisting of equal nationalities and religious communities, makes it possible to satisfy the demands of various parts of society and maintain a single state,” Nikolai Sukhov, senior researcher at the Institute of Oriental Studies of the Russian Academy of Sciences, expert of the club, told Lente.ru Valdai. Just think about it, is it possible? Where is the Hague Tribunal looking??? lol laughing wassat .
            1. Krasnodar
              Krasnodar 15 February 2022 20: 21
              -3
              Quote: D16
              Till Steiger in the song Deutschland also sang Deutschland Deutschland uber alles. Nazi? No, patriot. .

              Ramstein has a slightly different melody lol , and the Syrian social-nationalists have exactly the one from the 30s))
              Quote: D16
              Definitely damn foshizdy.

              Why Fascists Are Nazis fellow National socialism + living space of Greater Syria, including the territories of Turkey, Iraq, Kuwait, Israel, Palestine and Sinai with Cyprus yes
              Quote: D16
              Just think about it, is it possible? Where is the Hague Tribunal looking???

              I think where the IDF is looking - in Israel their existence is hushed up in every possible way, but for me - 90 thousand corpses need to be made - so many members of this party in Syria yes ))
              Quote: D16
              The SSNP concept of a secular Syrian nation, consisting of equal nationalities and religious communities

              Yeah, especially Jewish in Israel, which should be part of Greater Syria laughing
              Come on, you excuse the Nazis - just say:
              Syrian Nazis are good
              Ukrainian Nazis are bad fellow
              1. D16
                D16 15 February 2022 21: 07
                0
                There the melody was somewhat different lol, but the Syrian social-nationalists have exactly the one from the 30s))

                And if they really chose "Because of the island to the core", would they become pro-Russian-minded patriots? winked
                Why fascists are Nazi fellow

                Where are they Nazis? They proclaim equality in the rights of nationalities and religious communities, a secular state and the removal of religion from power. No one is forbidden to communicate in their native language, they are not forbidden to teach it in schools.
                the living space of Greater Syria, including the territories of Turkey, Iraq, Kuwait, Israel, Palestine and Sinai with Cyprus yes

                Dreams of a big country with a strong state, an army and equal opportunities, regardless of nationality and religion. Where did you read about "living space"?
                I thought where the IDF is looking

                Exactly. Erdogan will have more ambitious ambitions. Him too, along with the ruling party addition? Palestine was not so long ago part of the Ottoman Empire.
                Yeah, especially Jewish in Israel, which should be part of Greater Syria laughing

                They do not recognize its existence, but Israel has done and continues to do everything to ensure that the conflict continues. The flag is in their hands.
                Syrian Nazis are good

                If the content of the article is true, then I basically do not understand what they have in common with the Nazis.
                1. Krasnodar
                  Krasnodar 15 February 2022 21: 57
                  -1
                  Quote: D16

                  And if they really chose "Because of the island to the core", would they become pro-Russian-minded patriots?

                  No, Russian-RTM - they still zigue lol
                  Quote: D16
                  Where are they Nazis?

                  Social-nationalists? laughing SSNP - the Syrian social-nationalist party - I didn’t come up with the name for them)).
                  Quote: D16
                  They proclaim equality in the rights of nationalities and religious communities,

                  Except Jews
                  Quote: D16
                  secular state and removal of religion from power. No one is forbidden to communicate in their native language, they are not forbidden to teach it in schools

                  So Hitler did not forbid anyone to communicate in their native language, and power was more than separated from religion
                  Quote: D16
                  Dreams of a big country with a strong state, army and equal opportunities regardless of nationality and religion

                  So the Turks, Kuwaitis, Iraqis and Cypriots, not to mention the Jews living better than the Japanese, will joyfully join Greater Syria, which in better times was an ordinary ass of the Third World fellow With pleasure and joy, and most importantly, without resistance to such happiness lol They want to expand, it is clear that by military means, that's what the Nazis of the Hitlerite model are for.
                  Quote: D16
                  Exactly. Erdogan will have more ambitious ambitions. Him too, together with the ruling party of that

                  He is not a Nazi - a Turkish imperialist. Pan-Turkist. Wants to unite the Turkic peoples, but not the Greeks, Turks and Jews to join the Syrians yes
                  Quote: D16
                  Ottoman Empire

                  He ude said that Jerusalem is a Turkish city. Antalya - Russian - well, what's the deal here laughing
                  Quote: D16
                  They do not recognize its existence, but Israel has done and continues to do everything to ensure that the conflict continues. The flag is in their hands.

                  Well, yes - he did not allow himself to be destroyed three times, no matter how the SS instructors who fled Europe prepared the Syrians)).
                  And yes - the flag is in their hands, not Nazi at all - they have a red swastika, and the Germans have a black one, and the flag for the German Nazis was red, and these have a black one, but the white circle on which it is located is ancient Roman, probably not? laughing
                  Quote: D16
                  If the content of the article is true, then I basically do not understand what they have in common with the Nazis.

                  Symbolism, expansionist ideology, totalitarian rule, etc.
                  1. D16
                    D16 15 February 2022 23: 08
                    0
                    Social-nationalists? laughing SSNP - the Syrian social-nationalist party - I did not come up with the name for them))

                    You pay too much attention to old symbols and abbreviations, things will be more important.
                    Except Jews

                    Except Israel, not Jews. Without Israel, there would be no persecution of the Jews.
                    but not the Greeks, Turks and Jews to join the Syrians

                    expansionist ideology

                    So the representatives of the SSNP do not call for the forcible annexation of the above to Syria. Every soldier should dream of becoming a general, but not everyone will. They want to offer the Middle East an interesting, from their point of view, model for building and developing society, but no one is calling for it to be imposed on neighbors.
                    no matter how the SS instructors who fled from Europe prepared the Syrians)).

                    The services of these guys were used by all the rich enough and not burdening themselves with moral obligations. France for example.
                    Symbolism

                    I repeat once again that all these signs and symbols were invented long before the Third Reich, and the fascist scum is not a student with good thoughts and a solstice on his shoulder, but those with whose consent people were killed in the house of trade unions. And then they did everything in order not to find the participants in the massacre.
                    totalitarian rule

                    The fact that you do not recognize the legitimacy of Assad does not mean that the majority of the Syrian people in the controlled territories think the same way and did not vote for him. However, the vast majority of voters are already concentrated in these territories.
                    1. Krasnodar
                      Krasnodar 16 February 2022 00: 25
                      -2
                      Quote: D16
                      You pay too much attention to old symbols and abbreviations, things will be more important.

                      Cases - terrorist attacks against Israeli civilians in the 70s, the assassination of Lebanese President Bashir Jameil, etc.
                      Quote: D16
                      Except Israel, not Jews. Without Israel, there would be no persecution of the Jews.

                      If there were no Palestinians, there would be no checks at the airport lol according to your logic. ))
                      The Jews would have been killed during the Vichy regime if the British had not taken Syria in time - and guess who were the most loyal allies of the Nazis in BV, besides the Palestinian Arabs? laughing
                      Quote: D16
                      So the representatives of the SSNP do not call for the forcible annexation of the above to Syria. Every soldier should dream of becoming a general, but not everyone will. They want to offer the Middle East an interesting, from their point of view, model for building and developing society, but no one is calling for it to be imposed on neighbors.

                      what holy naivety laughing All people are adults, including them. Everyone understands that the Cypriots, Kuwaitis, Turks, and, even more so, the Israelis, will be able to unite around such a successful and developed state even in peacetime only through military expansion - there is no idealism there, and it is not envisaged. This is not a circle of intellectuals, these are militants with torchlight processions)).
                      Quote: D16
                      The services of these guys were used by all the rich enough and not burdening themselves with moral obligations. France for example.

                      France? With Marshall Plan Financial Assistance money? laughing You are confusing the legionnaires of the French legion with instructors of the army and special services, in the first there were a lot of them, among the latter there were none.
                      Quote: D16
                      I repeat once again that all these signs and symbols were invented long before the Third Reich,

                      But the SSNP was lapped up with the NSDAP)).
                      Quote: D16
                      and the fascist scum is not a student with good thoughts

                      What's with the fascists? ))
                      Quote: D16
                      and solstice on the shoulder

                      Ah, well, these have the kindest thoughts laughing
                      Quote: D16
                      and those with whose consent they killed people in the house of trade unions

                      And those who killed Israeli children and women in a hijacked passenger bus are just darlings fellow
                      Quote: D16
                      That you do not recognize the legitimacy of Assad

                      I AM? I admit. More precisely, I don’t care about him - he made privatization in Syria for the mother’s family - beautiful! )) Ophthalmologist, lived in London, he is not the leader of the SSNP, they have their own Fuhrer.
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                      does not mean that the majority of the Syrian people in the controlled territories think the same way and did not vote for him. However, the vast majority of voters are already concentrated in these territories.

                      This has nothing to do with the Syrian Nazis - Bashar legalized them and nothing more. Syrian Parashenko, nothing more.
                      1. D16
                        D16 16 February 2022 10: 46
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                        Cases - terrorist attacks against Israeli civilians in the 70s

                        Even in combed Wikipedia there is no information about the terrorist attacks of the SSNP.
                        assassination of Lebanese President Bashir Jameil

                        His killer should have been assigned to the GSS.
                        If there were no Palestinians, there would be no checks at the airport

                        In the USSR, there were practically no checks at the airport, just as there were no terrorist attacks, and hijackings were extremely rare. Today there are checks, there were terrorist attacks, but there were no Palestinians, and no. So the problem is not with them, but with those who buy such services. Demand creates supply.
                        You confuse

                        Not at all. It was the legion that then really needed specialists and took not only Germans, but also representatives of the USSR who fought in native units, although by agreement they should have been returned to the Union for re-education wink . What is the "last battle of the SS in Vietnam" worth laughing . Many Germans settled in Argentina, and Skartzeny even managed to work for the Mossad. Funny, right? laughing
                        But the SSNP was lapped up with the NSDAP)).

                        In the thirties, the NSDAP was very popular not only in Germany.
                        And those who killed Israeli children and women in a hijacked passenger bus are just darlings

                        Representatives of the SSNP? Are there proven facts?
                        beautiful! ))

                        I agree. In the most difficult times, he did not run away and did not even take his family out. No wonder they zigue him. Respect and respect. smile
                        Bashar legalized them and nothing more. Syrian Parashenko, nothing more.

                        The national battalions were organized after the start of the civil war, and the SSNP was legalized long before to support secular power, and not the genocide of the Sunnis. PARAshenko to Assad as to China#####.
                      2. Krasnodar
                        Krasnodar 16 February 2022 16: 41
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                        Even in combed Wikipedia there is no information about the terrorist attacks of the SSNP.

                        The Israelis have them, it's about them)). Despite the fact that they do not play a big role in anti-Israel activities, therefore they were not beaten like the PLO, Hamas, PFLP and others. But this does not mean that they were not terrorists.
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                        In the USSR, there were practically no checks at the airport, just as there were no terrorist attacks

                        Because the bulk of the terrorist Arab organizations of the 70-80s were supported by the USSR and other countries of the socialist camp.
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                        Today there are checks, there were terrorist attacks, but there were no Palestinians, and no. So the problem is not with them, but with those who buy such services. Demand creates supply.

                        Now they have been replaced by other barmaley, who have adopted their methods of struggle.
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                        You confuse

                        Not at all. It is the legion

                        laughing no comment)))
                        There is a difference between the legion and the army / secret services of France)).
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                        Many Germans settled in Argentina, and Skartzeny even managed to work for the Mossad. Funny, right?

                        In the Arab countries, too, a lot has settled, and Skocerni was forced to go to the German rocket designers in Egypt with a warning to close the office. Didn't listen lol In Damascus, the special services were trained by one SS-vsky ghoul - he died a natural death - all the Israelis could do was tear off a couple of his fingers and gouge out his eye with a mined parcel (instead of demolishing the entire block with aircraft).
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                        In the thirties, the NSDAP was very popular not only in Germany.

                        Among the "right" people)).
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                        I agree. In the most difficult times, he did not run away and did not even take his family out. No wonder they zigue him. Respect and respect.

                        Well, yes, I correctly judged that despite the money that is withdrawn through the mother’s family for cellular communications and the banks privatized by them, the flight will be a very unreliable event - they will kill either the barmaley or their own, for leaving them to be torn to pieces by the barmaley yes
                        But the Fuhrer was also not in vain zigged lol
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                        The national battalions were organized after the start of the civil war

                        They existed in the Lebanese branch of the SSNP back in the 70s)).
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                        and the SSNP was legalized long before to support secular power

                        In 2005
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                        PARAshenko to Assad as to China

                        Why? laughing Both are billionaires - one is explicit, the other is "on the mother's side", both allowed the Civil War in their country, both legalized the national battalions.
                        What about the genocide of the Sunnis?
                      3. D16
                        D16 16 February 2022 18: 31
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                        The Israelis have them, it's about them)).

                        I have all the attention.
                        Because the bulk of the terrorist Arab organizations of the 70-80s were supported by the USSR

                        The Jews also had enough terrorist organizations, and for whom the primacy is a moot point.
                        laughing No comment)))
                        There is a difference between the legion and the army / secret services of France)).

                        What country contained the legion, and in whose interests did he fight?
                        Skokerni forced to come out...

                        I know that the Mossad is a terrorist organization. organization.
                        Among the "right" people)).

                        Remind me who supervised and carefully directed Eloizyg in the drag nah osten?
                        But the Fuhrer also knowingly zigged lol

                        Not in vain, until he signed the Barbarossa plan. If Doenitz had listened, they would have lived in the Third Reich, and not in the current European Union.
                        Why?

                        Assad won the war, and Poroshenko merged, albeit with the whole world laughing .
                        both allowed a civil war in their country,

                        Did Assad have a choice? Was it necessary to surrender Syria to the Islamists and ISIS?
                      4. Krasnodar
                        Krasnodar 16 February 2022 20: 27
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                        Quote: D16
                        I have all the attention.

                        The terrorist attacks of the mid-1970s, together with Fatah, the assassination of Bashir Jameil, which led to the massacre in Sadr and Shatila, the first Arab girl - kamikaze, who attacked a convoy of Israeli wars in Lebanon, etc. ))
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                        The Jews also had enough terrorist organizations, and for whom the primacy is a moot point.

                        laughing yes, Jews captured the planes of Western airlines)))
                        And who started cutting whom, do you know? As part of the ethnic massacre - yes, the Jews also had terrorists and very quickly.
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                        What country contained the legion, and in whose interests did he fight?

                        French, in the interests of France, but - he is not the French army / special services. fellow
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                        I know that the Mossad is a terrorist organization. organization.

                        In ISIS videos, before the head is cut, the terrorists also say to a Western journalist - these are your governments terrorists laughing
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                        Remind me who supervised and carefully directed Eloizyg in the drag nah osten?

                        World Zionism represented by Barbara Streisand:
                        With reptilians yes And since the time of the Teutonic Order)).
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                        Not in vain, until he signed the Barbarossa plan. If Doenitz had listened, they would have lived in the Third Reich, and not in the current European Union.

                        That is, he screwed up only in the buildup on the USSR, but is he a good guy?
                        And why is the EU bad? He picks up your favorite Syrians, groans, but picks up)).
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                        Assad won the war, and Poroshenko merged, albeit with the whole world.

                        In terms of the loss of their own territories, they are almost equivalent laughing
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                        Did Assad have a choice? Was it necessary to surrender Syria to the Islamists and ISIS?

                        Assad did not have to sharply deprive the state. support for their peasants and make privatization in favor of their own relatives - then the war would not have taken on such a scale. And ISIS in Syria is already a consequence of the Civil War.
                      5. D16
                        D16 17 February 2022 22: 43
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                        With reptilians yes And since the time of the Teutonic Order)).

                        I guessed that something was wrong with the American diplomats. And so far. Truman-Smith reported to Washington that the old Kaiser parties suck, but the new, as yet unknown NSDAP, led by Eloizych, who is straight up in pubs. Later they even found a "patron" for the publication of Mein Kampf. What can you take from the reptilians. laughing
                        That is, he screwed up only in the buildup on the USSR, but is he a good guy?

                        At that time, even humane. How many British from Dunkirk released disarmed. Would drive them out of the Mediterranean, there would be petromarks instead of nefredollars laughing .
                        In terms of the loss of their own territories, they are almost equivalent

                        Paul Idlib was recaptured, the Americans will fall down, they will take on the Kurds.
                        Assad did not have to sharply deprive the state. support for their peasants

                        Do you propose to fill the river with money for many years in a row?
                        And ISIS in Syria is already a consequence of the Civil War

                        ISIS in Syria is a consequence of the second Iraqi war unleashed by a reptilian with a test tube laughing ..
                      6. Krasnodar
                        Krasnodar 18 February 2022 00: 51
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                        Quote: D16
                        Later they even found a "patron" for the publication of Mein Kampf. What can you take from the reptilians.

                        One of the most read books in the Arab countries - in Syria incl. laughing
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                        At that time, even humane. How many British from Dunkirk released disarmed

                        Because Goering promised him to break up the group from the air, the counterattack of the British tank battalions forced Guderian to give a stop signal before assessing the situation, and the British Air Force turned out to be no worse than the Luftwaffe pilots)). Therefore, Aloizych went crazy, and he was always a great humanist laughing
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                        I would drive them out of the Mediterranean, there would be petromarks instead of nefredollars.

                        And how would he drive them out - there was sadness with the fleet, the Italian allies were also sailors, the French fleet was defeated by the British immediately after the surrender, and most importantly, all this would not have stopped two things:
                        1) The landing of the Americans in Africa;
                        2) The Manhattan Project.
                        And the first bombs would fly to Dusseldorf and Dortmund instead of Hiroshima from Nagasaki laughing
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                        Paul Idlib was recaptured, the Americans will fall down, they will take on the Kurds.

                        Wait and see request In my opinion, what the Turks decided to take for themselves, they will not give up.
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                        Do you propose to fill the river with money for many years in a row?

                        Much better than leading the country to a big Civil War.
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                        ISIS in Syria is a consequence of the second Iraqi war unleashed by a reptilian

                        I agree, however, they would not have climbed into Syria without Assad's biting.
                      7. D16
                        D16 18 February 2022 22: 15
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                        the counterattack of the British tank battalions forced Guderian to give a stop signal before assessing the situation

                        In fact, an infantry battalion reinforced with tanks broke through the defensive positions of the company lol . A typical battle for the forester's hut. And then the Fuhrer's order "not to approach Dunkirk closer than 10 km." britain side laughing .
                        1) The landing of the Americans in Africa;

                        Before landing, you must enter the war. And here everything is oh how ambiguous. Do not forget that all resources diverted to the east would be free.
                        Manhattan Project.

                        The Germans had their own draft, so it’s not at all a fact that the parties would risk opening the box. And most importantly, in terms of delivery vehicles, Deutsche became ahead of the rest. Amers would have to collect the wreckage and master the reverse engineering method. lol
                        Much better than leading the country to a big Civil War.

                        There were so many wealthy interests in the civil war in Syria that Assad's subsidies are a waste of an elephant.
                        In my opinion, what the Turks decided to take for themselves, they will not give up.

                        Half given away, and the other half will be given. The question is what to do with the Islamists who were taken there. Should they create autonomy in Syria? Kurds? The Turks will take out Putin's brains. laughing
                        without Assad's biting, they wouldn't fit in.

                        The house was doomed. He couldn't help but burn. And, indeed, at twelve o'clock at night, he blazed, set on fire at once from six ends. (C) laughing
                      8. Krasnodar
                        Krasnodar 18 February 2022 22: 58
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                        Quote: D16
                        In fact, an infantry battalion, reinforced with tanks, broke through the defensive positions of the company. A typical battle for the forester's hut. And then the Fuhrer's order "not to approach Dunkirk closer than 10 km." Britain side.

                        I read about the counterattack request Strong Not Strong yes
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                        There were so many wealthy interests in the civil war in Syria that Assad's subsidies are a waste of an elephant.

                        So they came during the drought to help the peasants instead of Assad - so bearded and with bundles of dough laughing
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                        Half given away, and the other half will be given

                        Is not a fact
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                        The question is what to do with the Islamists who were taken there.

                        In consumption
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                        Should they create autonomy in Syria?

                        what
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                        Kurds?

                        Oh sad
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                        The Turks will take out Putin's brains.

                        What is it to them? They are the dominant military force in this area.
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                        The house was doomed. He couldn't help but burn. And, indeed, at twelve o'clock at night it blazed, set on fire at once from six

                        lol
                        So it was not necessary to make a police station from the country headed by a sheriff a bribe taker yes
                      9. D16
                        D16 18 February 2022 23: 19
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                        supergrrrznoe other Luftwaffe fronts in the air beat yes

                        And the British had no options. Worked from defense fighters. Naturally, the losses were less.
                        came during a drought to help the peasants instead of Assad - so bearded and with bundles of dough laughing

                        Moreover, the peasants rushed to the city to impose Sharia orders on this loot.
                        In consumption

                        Our president is a deeply Orthodox person. For all my misunderstanding, I know that such a decision will not be made. It is one thing to kill people with weapons in their hands, another without.
                        What is it to them?

                        From autonomy to the state...
                      10. Krasnodar
                        Krasnodar 19 February 2022 00: 05
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                        And the British had no options. Worked from defense fighters. Naturally, the losses were less.

                        The Britons loot went to the fleet and aviation. Training / selection of personnel, machines, etc. Therefore, the Air Force was no worse than the German ones, and the ground forces sucked, the colonial troops, because. they were invested on a residual basis. Hence the results - sea, air, land.
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                        Moreover, the peasants rushed to the city to impose Sharia orders on this loot.

                        Youth, definitely.
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                        Our president is a deeply Orthodox person. For all my misunderstanding, I know that such a decision will not be made. It is one thing to kill people with weapons in their hands, another without.

                        Our president is a former intelligence officer, and a Soviet one at that. I think it will work out yes
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                        From autonomy to the state...

                        It seems to me that they are satisfied with the status of a small territory controlled by Turkish troops - Northern Cyprus - 2, something like that.
                      11. D16
                        D16 19 February 2022 17: 46
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                        The Britons spent the loot on the fleet and aviation

                        It's not about the bubble. From the English fields to Dunkirk was 50 km. You can make many sorties a day and hang over the covered object. The Germans were then based in Germany and Holland. No more than two sorties a day and a few minutes over the target. The weather allowed the backlashes to work for 2 and a half days. The rest of the time it was raining or visibility was less than 100 meters. Having lost 6 destroyers and 5 large passenger transports, the British decided that they did not need such a rescue of the expeditionary force, further at night on air mattresses smile . When the weather recovered, the German scouts did not see the ships and the backlashes received new tasks. Eloizich, with his desire to save the British from too crushing defeat, got into a grandiose puddle, which then burped out to him in Normandy for all the money.
                        I think they are satisfied with the status

                        Whom "them"? Syrians, Turks or Kurds? In fact, the situation with the LDNR is almost a mirror of the situation with the north of Syria. It will be decided according to one template. The difference is that the Islamists cannot sit still on their laurels. They need expansion. Home, ladies. slaves. How to drink, they will climb to the neighbors and after that no one will cover them. The second Chechen is a typical example.
                      12. Krasnodar
                        Krasnodar 19 February 2022 18: 27
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                        Quote: D16
                        Eloizich, with his desire to save the British from too crushing defeat, got into a grandiose puddle, which then burped out to him in Normandy for all the money.

                        Heh. In parts of the German units around Dunkirk, tank losses ranged from 30 to 50%, which remained to save for the continuation of the French campaign. An additional reason for this decision was Goering's promise to Hitler to deal with the allies crowded in a small area with the help of aircraft alone.
                        There were half a million Belgians, French and British in this area, Hitler wanted to save his own forces. Eventually:
                        During the evacuation, the British shot down 156 enemy aircraft, losing 145 of their own. At the same time, the allies on the shore and the “rescue fleet”, which included 600 civilian ships, were bombed and fired at with everything they could, but without the desired effect.
                        After 10 days of work, the work of Arta and Lufta, the Germans began the land destruction of the allies, but it was too late. Despite the active work, I will wait, torpedo boats, artillery and aviation,
                        About two weeks later, the Germans destroyed the bridgehead, capturing the remnants of the French (15 thousand) - the British took their own.
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                        Whom "them"? Syrians, Turks or Kurds?

                        Turk.
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                        How to drink, they will climb to the neighbors and after that no one will cover them. Second Chechen

                        What the Turks need to keep will be kept in any case.
                      13. D16
                        D16 19 February 2022 19: 22
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                        In parts of the German units around Dunkirk, tank losses ranged from 30 to 50%, which remained to save for the continuation of the French campaign.

                        Estimate how they got to Moscow laughing . The phrase: "save the British from too crushing defeat" on mine, but on the head of the Luftwaffe headquarters Hans Jeshonneku. I should have added (s).
                        Göring's promise to Hitler to deal with the allies crowded in a small area with the help of aircraft alone.

                        As practice has shown, the bombing of loose beaches is a thankless task. The task of "destroying the group" was not set. The task of "preventing evacuation" was set, with which the backlashes, due to objective circumstances, could not cope. Eloizich tried to persuade the British to negotiate. Big bummer laughing .
                        What the Turks need to save

                        Do they need it?
                      14. Krasnodar
                        Krasnodar 19 February 2022 23: 01
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                        Quote: D16
                        Estimate how they got to Moscow

                        They reached Moscow in 1941, and the air was entirely behind the Germans
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                        The phrase: "save the British from too crushing defeat" to mine, but to the head of the Luftwaffe headquarters Hans Jeshonneku

                        Well, of course, it was Hitler who didn’t let him bomb the British in the dust, by no means the Royal Air Force lol Hitler also forbade him to win the Battle of Britain - ordered him not to start, ordered him to smash Coventry to shit, but forbade him to win laughing
                        By the way, he is not the only military leader who, after the war, blamed everything on the Fuhrer, Manstein and Guderian also pushed all the blame for the defeat of the Wehrmacht onto Party No. XNUMX)).
                        They are good and talented, but Aloizych is bad. And cruel. But. In the case of Dunkirk - overly philanthropic lol
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                        As practice has shown, the bombing of loose beaches is a thankless task.

                        Not all the manpower of the Allies kept on the beaches, a good share of the bombing fell on the British ships. facilities. ))
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                        The task of "preventing evacuation" was set, with which the backlashes, due to objective circumstances, could not cope.

                        Not only backlashes, but also submarines with torpedo boats too yes
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                        Eloizich tried to persuade the British to negotiate. Huge bummer.

                        Wanted. To do this, it was necessary to kill / capture the Britons. Don't let them get away hi
                        Do they need it?

                        The Turks and the Syrians have a very long-standing territorial dispute over some piece of land, and this dispute has been a long-standing one, since the formation of Syria in the 40s of the last century.
                        Under the guise of it decided, hike
                      15. D16
                        D16 20 February 2022 18: 44
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                        Hitler also forbade him to win the Battle of Britain

                        And could it be won?
                        a good share of the bombings came from British ships. facilities. ))

                        Overwhelming. This was precisely what prevented evacuation attempts.
                        it was necessary to kill / capture the Britons. Don't let them go hi

                        That was the force. Leave the Britons on the beach alive and free with no chance of evacuation. Churchill to resign, the committee of soldiers' mothers in power laughing . It didn't work out for a bunch of reasons. But the idea is beautiful.
                        The Turks and the Syrians have a very long-standing territorial dispute over some piece of land, and this dispute has been a long-standing one, since the formation of Syria in the 40s of the last century.

                        If you think like this, then Ukraine does not have any rights to the Crimea, Donetsk and Luhansk regions, donated by the Soviet authorities.
                        The only question is "come and take it", and it is not difficult to take it, it is difficult to put it in order and maintain laughing .
                      16. Krasnodar
                        Krasnodar 20 February 2022 21: 12
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                        And could it be won?

                        It is unlikely to take Great Britain, to destroy industry and aviation at airfields - easily, at the same time to capture some kind of Belfast for the sake of controlling the naval blockade. And if the UK had a worse air force and navy, the Germans would have succeeded.
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                        Overwhelming. This was precisely what prevented evacuation attempts.

                        Not overwhelming, the Allied ground forces also got it, it was just that the Britons flew no worse than the Germans and were able to cover their troops / evacuation.
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                        That was the force. Leave the Britons on the beach alive and free with no chance of evacuation. Churchill to resign, the Committee of Soldiers' Mothers in Power. It didn't work out for a bunch of reasons. But the idea is beautiful.

                        A cool conspiracy theory - but why did the Germans, after a week of fruitless bombing and shelling, suddenly go on a land offensive? ))
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                        Ukraine has no rights to Crimea

                        Does not have
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                        Donetsk and Lugansk regions,

                        Here, internal Ukrainian disassemblies - initially no one in the modern LDNR wanted independence - asked for federalization, but this did not suit the "revolutionaries". I had to declare the independence of the republics.
                        The only question is "come and take it", and it is not difficult to take it, it is difficult to put it in order and contain laughing.

                        The Turks will take exactly what suits them. And they will keep them - their army is normal, they are good warriors. And as for money for maintenance - the less Ankara has, the smaller the annexed territory will be)).
                      17. Liam
                        Liam 20 February 2022 21: 20
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                        Quote: Krasnodar
                        Does not have

                        Are you serious?)
                        hi
                      18. Krasnodar
                        Krasnodar 21 February 2022 00: 12
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                        More than. And with what fright?
                      19. Liam
                        Liam 21 February 2022 00: 22
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                        )))
                        Since it is an internationally recognized (including Russia) Ukrainian territory
                      20. Repellent
                        Repellent 21 February 2022 00: 34
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                        Quote: Liam
                        Since it is an internationally recognized (including Russia) Ukrainian territory

                        Are you talking about Crimea? belay
                      21. Krasnodar
                        Krasnodar 21 February 2022 00: 41
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                        Quote: Liam
                        )))
                        Since it is an internationally recognized (including Russia) Ukrainian territory

                        Hi! hi
                        The situation there was nasty - there was chaos in the country, the collapse of law enforcement agencies, the pro-Russian (in the vast majority) minded population of Crimea began the so-called. Anti-Maidan, with this, Russia did not know the future of the bases in Sevastopol, etc. They took it and did the right thing, they took it, there was no other way out.
                      22. Liam
                        Liam 21 February 2022 00: 46
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                        They took what was bad in general. Like a good neighbor, when another neighbor has problems, scratch quickly)
                        This madness with collecting lands will end soon and everything will return to normal. Including Crimea
                      23. Krasnodar
                        Krasnodar 21 February 2022 01: 25
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                        No, they took what they had to take, while risking the economic situation of their population, at least. and fears, unfortunately, were fulfilled.
                        This is not a collection of lands - elementary chess. Crimea is under unfriendly authority, respectively - in the event of a boil, the base in Sevastopol is controlled and blocked by any contingent located there, Novorossiysk (including the naval base) is shot through by any missile systems - take a look at the map.
                        The population - even under Yushchenko, quite at the level of university girls went to the other end of the peninsula "to spit in the face of a NATO soldier" - some kind of delegation from several European navies arrived. )) And yet they spat laughing
                        I am not talking about constant pro-Russian demonstrations, moreover, in the times before the color revolutions and after. Ukraine didn’t do a damn thing there - all the governments ripped off the Soviet legacy. Therefore, everything is natural.
                        Crimea will not return anywhere, the Ukrainians didn’t really need it, now they don’t need it all the more, unlike the Donbass. Under them, it was one big diarrheal resort with poor infrastructures.
                      24. Liam
                        Liam 21 February 2022 01: 34
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                        Quote: Krasnodar
                        Crimea will not return anywhere, Ukrainians

                        )))

                        150 years ago, the territory of the Republic of Ingushetia was 25 million squares, now it is 17 ...
                      25. Krasnodar
                        Krasnodar 21 February 2022 02: 19
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                        In June 1967, Israel controlled 2,5 times the territory than now - rolled back voluntarily laughing
                        Russia will not give Kaliningrad and Crimea, some territories to China and Norway - perhaps.
                    2. And Us Rat
                      And Us Rat 16 February 2022 02: 31
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                      Quote: D16
                      Without Israel, there would be no persecution of the Jews.

                      That is, in thousands of pogroms in the 10th, 14th, 16th, 18th and 19th centuries, and in the genocide of 1941-1945, Israel, which appeared in 1948, is to blame? wassat
                      Do you even think a little about the presence of common sense in your words before you click on the keyboard? Or is this function not provided for you in principle? request
                      1. D16
                        D16 16 February 2022 11: 43
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                        Have you ever wondered why there were never German pogroms on the territory of Russia, although there were always many Germans here? Why weren't the Tatars, Kirghiz, Mari, etc., namely the Jews, smashed? Maybe the conservatory needed to change something? laughing
                        With the advent of Zionist Israel on the territory of its opponents, the situation only worsened. No one needs Eli Coens on their land.
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                      3. Krasnodar
                        Krasnodar 16 February 2022 16: 53
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                        Quote: D16
                        Have you ever wondered why there were never German pogroms on the territory of Russia, although there were always many Germans here

                        Thugs - during WWI
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                        Why weren't the Tatars, Kirghiz, Mari, etc., namely the Jews, smashed?

                        Because they lived mainly in the territory of their national centers, and not among the indigenous population
                        Quote: D16
                        Maybe the conservatory needed to change something?

                        It had to be changed lol
                        Jews are now minuscule. And busy with useful work - the Crimean Bridge is being built fellow
                        Quote: D16
                        With the advent of Zionist Israel on the territory of its opponents, the situation only worsened

                        Of course, the home of the Arabs, Jazira, got worse, a nation was found in the Middle East that recaptured the land from the Arab occupiers.
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                        Nobody Eli Cohen on his

                        Heh. In this war, Syria is the aggressor, and restless)).
                      4. D16
                        D16 16 February 2022 19: 06
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                        Thugs - during WWI

                        In the book "Tsarism on the eve of the overthrow" A. Ya. Avrekh, describing the changes in the composition of the Russian government, noted that they occurred under the influence of the Moscow pogroms in May 1915. The author emphasized that “numerous eyewitness accounts leave no doubt that the pogrom was organized by the Moscow authorities, primarily by the mayor Adrianov, with the approval and blessing of him directly

                        57th chief - the Moscow Governor-General Prince Yusupov ". According to the author, the meaning of the May German pogroms - "this traditional police provocation" - is obvious: "let off steam - direct the accumulated discontent of the masses in another direction."
                        from the Arab occupiers

                        Okak! laughing
                        In this war, Syria is the aggressor, and restless)).

                        A number of sources[27][28] cite Moshe Dayan as saying in a private conversation with journalist Rami Tal in 1976 that about 80% of the clashes were provoked by Israel. (c) Wiki.
                      5. Krasnodar
                        Krasnodar 16 February 2022 20: 40
                        +1
                        Quote: D16
                        A number of sources[27][28] cite Moshe Dayan as saying in a private conversation with journalist Rami Tal in 1976 that about 80% of the clashes were provoked by Israel.

                        At least 99.9% - who declared war on Israel in 1948 on the day of its appearance? Who opened fire first in 1967? Who in the Alliance with Egypt, Iraq and others attacked the Jews in 1973? Who got into the Israeli-Palestinian showdown in 1982? Here is such a gopnik-terpila laughing
                        Quote: D16
                        from the Arab occupiers

                        Okak!

                        What is new for you? ))
                        They appeared there only in the 8th century AD, carrying out ethnocide and colonization of Mesopotamia, Egypt, North Africa, Syria and Palestine. Sami hails from the Arabian Peninsula, not native laughing
                        Quote: D16

                        In the book "Tsarism on the eve of the overthrow" A. Ya. Avrekh, describing the changes in the composition

                        That is, all the same, they were)).
                      6. anthonindex
                        anthonindex 16 February 2022 19: 01
                        +1
                        Quote: D16
                        Have you ever wondered why there were never German pogroms on the territory of Russia, although there were always many Germans here?

                        Have you ever wondered why there were pogroms of Russians in Chechnya and the Asian republics? What's up with the conservatory?
                      7. D16
                        D16 17 February 2022 21: 46
                        -2
                        What's up with the conservatory?

                        The conservatory collapsed, the conductor did his best. The people came down from the mountains to rob cows, and the local villagers organized everything in the best way. Independence, petrodollars, transit, how much in this sound))). The Russians were no longer needed.
                      8. anthonindex
                        anthonindex 17 February 2022 22: 07
                        +1
                        Quote: D16

                        The conservatory collapsed, the conductor did his best. The people came down from the mountains to rob cows, and the local villagers organized everything in the best way. Independence, petrodollars, transit, how much in this sound))). The Russians were no longer needed.

                        Then the counter question:
                        Why didn't the Tatars, Kirghiz, Mari, etc., namely the Russians, be smashed?
                      9. D16
                        D16 17 February 2022 22: 48
                        0
                        namely the Russians?

                        In Baku, the Armenians got the most, if anything. And the above, if they lived there, then at the level of statistical error.
                      10. anthonindex
                        anthonindex 17 February 2022 23: 00
                        +1
                        Quote: D16
                        In Baku, the Armenians got the most, if anything.

                        What about Baku? The question was discussed why the victims of pogroms are always exclusively Jews, apparently due to natural harmfulness. And suddenly it turns out that the Jews are not elected in this matter. Other nations are also smashed, including the older brother. So what is your explanation for this phenomenon?
                      11. D16
                        D16 18 February 2022 22: 55
                        -1
                        What about Baku?

                        The most typical massacre of the post-Soviet space.
                        So what is your explanation for this phenomenon?

                        In the case of the post-Soviet space, the impunity and mercantile interests of the Tatar-Mongolian majority that descended from the mountains laughing In this situation, the qualities of outsiders do not matter at all. These of the angels will make a kebab if they are in their power.
                        .
                      12. anthonindex
                        anthonindex 18 February 2022 23: 31
                        +1
                        Quote: D16
                        In the case of the post-Soviet space, the impunity and mercantile interests of the Tatar-Mongolian majority who have descended from the mountains are of no importance in this situation. These of the angels will make a kebab if they are in their power.

                        that is, in the case of Jewish pogroms, the Jews are to blame. In the case of Russian pogroms, are the rioters to blame?
                      13. D16
                        D16 19 February 2022 18: 03
                        -2
                        that is, in the case of Jewish pogroms, the Jews are to blame.

                        Jewish pogroms and resettlements have a much more ancient and eventful history, and they took place in much more developed European countries by no means out of the blue. Usually they were preceded by financial pyramids and, as a result, the ruin of the natives. I'm not talking about your propensity in those days to the slave trade, usury, organized crime groups, in a word, to all ways of easy money.
                      14. Krasnodar
                        Krasnodar 19 February 2022 19: 00
                        0
                        Quote: D16
                        Jewish pogroms and resettlements have a much more ancient and eventful history.

                        Jews have an older history than Russians, I agree
                        Quote: D16
                        moreover, they took place in much more developed European countries by no means out of the blue

                        Well, yes - competition in crafts and in loans to those in power, who sometimes did not give back through the forcible expulsion of Jews as a result of "popular anger" yes
                        Quote: D16
                        Usually they were preceded by financial pyramids

                        Mavrodi is a Jew? lol
                        Financial pyramids are not a Jewish invention)).
                        Quote: D16
                        and as a result, the ruin of the natives

                        The ruin of the natives was not due to the Jews and, moreover, not because of financial pyramids.
                        Quote: D16
                        I'm not talking about your penchant for the slave trade in those days.

                        In those days, everyone was doing this, the Jews to a lesser extent
                        Quote: D16
                        usury

                        The name Lombard did not come from the Palestinian area, so that not only Jews did this laughing
                        Quote: D16
                        OPG

                        lol
                        Zaporizhzhya Sich, Knightly Orders, expeditionary detachments - where are the Jews? Yes, and in the Slavic organized criminal groups of the 90s there was a miserable amount of Jews - the families of debtor competitors were slaughtered by local yes
                        Quote: D16
                        in a word, to all ways of easy money.

                        Uh-huh - the post-Soviet space is an example of this fellow laughing
                      15. D16
                        D16 20 February 2022 17: 54
                        -3
                        competition in crafts and in loans to those in power, who sometimes did not give back through the forced expulsion of Jews "as a result of popular anger" yes

                        Did religion strongly influence competition in crafts? Baptized Jews lived in Spain and Portugal without problems, if they did not secretly indulge in Judaism. Even the Jews laughing no one forcibly expelled them, but deprived them of the right to a fair trial, then bish to the presumption of innocence. Jews practicing Judaism fled, losing money in property sales. They must have been afraid of something. laughing .
                        Mavrodi is a Jew?

                        I myself wonder why his nationality is discussed in such detail on Wikipedia lol .
                        Jews to a lesser extent

                        Unfortunately, over the past ten years, a grandiose facelift of Judaism has taken place in tyrnet. Slave captains turned into adventurers, and Jewish slave owners of the south suddenly found themselves at the level of statistical error.
                        Name Lombard

                        this does not mean that all inhabitants of Lombardy are Italians. But this business is a trifle. It does not include futures contracts.
                        Zaporizhzhya Sich, Orders of Knights, expeditionary detachments - where are the Jews?

                        The Jews then bought slaves and sent them to Prague and the Crimea.
                      16. Krasnodar
                        Krasnodar 20 February 2022 18: 56
                        +1
                        Quote: D16

                        Did religion strongly influence competition in crafts?

                        No, but created alien guilds))
                        Quote: D16
                        Baptized Jews lived in Spain and Portugal without problems, if they did not secretly indulge in Judaism.

                        They are no longer Jews.
                        Quote: D16
                        Even the Jews were not forcibly expelled, but were deprived of the right to a fair trial, then bish to the presumption of innocence.

                        lol
                        Read about the events of 1492 - no, not about the discovery of the homeland of Bush's legs)).
                        Quote: D16
                        Jews practicing Judaism fled, losing money in property sales. They must have been afraid of something.

                        No, these are not natives of the European part of the USSR in the former Soviet republics (including Jews, by the way). They were threatened with being killed if they did not change their faith, and their property was simply taken away. The same was done in Spain and Portugal to Muslims, by the way yes starting from 1492.
                        Quote: D16
                        I myself wonder why his nationality is discussed in such detail on Wikipedia.

                        I was offered to buy his apartment in Moscow in 2017 lol And what's interesting - who in the country takes bribes and steals, even working for relatives, Jews? laughing
                        Quote: D16
                        Slave captains turned into adventurers, and Jewish slave owners of the south suddenly found themselves at the level of statistical error.

                        laughing
                        So they were there in the region of statistical error)). But, of course, more than in the Republic of Ingushetia there are Jewish owners of serfs (if such Bali)
                        Quote: D16
                        this does not mean that all inhabitants of Lombardy are Italians.

                        Yes, they called it that - New Israel, and Palestine - Old Lombardy fellow
                        Quote: D16
                        The Jews then bought up slaves and pearls

                        And not only, and not so much the Jews request
                      17. D16
                        D16 20 February 2022 19: 10
                        -2
                        They are no longer Jews.

                        Oh how! Shtyr needs to be told that he is not a Jew. And then he is going to visit relatives in Israel. lol
                        So they were there in the region of statistical error)).

                        Alas. I can't find what was posted before. You may not believe. Your right.
                        And not only, and not so much the Jews

                        Who else?
                      18. Krasnodar
                        Krasnodar 20 February 2022 21: 23
                        +1
                        Quote: D16
                        Oh how! Shtyr needs to be told that he is not a Jew. And then he is going to visit relatives in Israel.

                        Approximately 300 thousand Soviet Slavs, Balts, Kazakhs, etc. live in Israel.
                        I have relatives living in the south of France - and they are not French laughing And so did I, but they were visiting laughing
                        Quote: D16

                        Alas. I can't find what was posted before. You may not believe. Your right.

                        The Jewish community in the States was originally concentrated in industrial cities. It is understandable that cotton / textiles were traded, but very little was done directly in the cultivation of crops - a busy niche, a lot of force majeure, etc.
                        Quote: D16
                        Who else

                        Turks, all kinds of Italians, Arabs - everyone who did this professionally. It was a profitable business.
                      19. anthonindex
                        anthonindex 19 February 2022 20: 20
                        +1
                        Quote: D16
                        Jewish pogroms and resettlements have a much more ancient and eventful history, and they took place in much more developed European countries by no means out of the blue.

                        those. Jews were beaten for a cause, but Russians, just like that, for beautiful eyes. This is called Hottentot morality. I can write you a thousand reasons why Russian pogroms are justified in the eyes of Asians. I'm just wondering, is this mentality typical for many Russians?
                      20. D16
                        D16 20 February 2022 18: 15
                        -2
                        And what could the Russians do to the highlanders, whose grandfathers even the NKVD troops could not catch up with?
                      21. anthonindex
                        anthonindex 20 February 2022 20: 40
                        +1
                        Quote: D16
                        And what could the Russians do to the highlanders, whose grandfathers even the NKVD troops could not catch up with?

                        And what could the Jews do when they were smashed by Russian pogromists?
                      22. D16
                        D16 20 February 2022 21: 49
                        -3
                        Realize the depth of the depths? Not? Stupid questions will get answers.
                      23. anthonindex
                        anthonindex 21 February 2022 11: 54
                        -1
                        Quote: D16
                        Realize the depth of the depths? Not? There will be stupid questions

                        well, realize until you understand that pogroms and murders always remain a crime, regardless of the nationality of the victims. at the beginning of the 20th century, you smashed the Jews. at the end of the 20th century, you were already smashed, and now your cities are flooded with Asian hordes, who are only looking for an excuse to pour hatred on you, just as you poured it on the Jews. I wish you success.
        2. And Us Rat
          And Us Rat 16 February 2022 02: 24
          0
          Quote: D16
          Here the Syrians welcome their Caesar

          Yeah, just like their Germans in 1933-1945. They called him the Fuhrer. wink
          1. D16
            D16 17 February 2022 22: 51
            0
            They called him the Fuhrer.

            And the Romans by Caesar. So what?
    2. Kushka
      Kushka 15 February 2022 14: 47
      -1
      Are you talking about 300 people on Khreschatyk?
      Yes, in any seedy town in Europe their
      much more! And under the very nose of the Pope
      Casa Pound, Rome, Italy (2003 to present) - a well-known neo-fascist community center.
    3. Kushka
      Kushka 15 February 2022 14: 53
      -3
      Documents in the studio!
      (they shot and buried alive ..)
      Moreover, I can’t remember who
      in the OUNb or OUNm, there were Jewish units,
      and their Jewish doctor (with one ampoule of penicillin) is generally a legend
      1. Krasnodar
        Krasnodar 15 February 2022 16: 29
        -1
        Quote: Kushka
        Documents in the studio!
        (they shot and buried alive ..)
        Moreover, I can’t remember who
        in the OUNb or OUNm, there were Jewish units,
        and their Jewish doctor (with one ampoule of penicillin) is generally a legend

        There were Jewish doctors, not units who were forced to work for these geeks under the threat of family life
        1. Kushka
          Kushka 15 February 2022 16: 37
          +1
          Well, yes, they were generally chained to trees
          chains and they operated with a pistol
          at the temple - inscribed Bender from Hitler
          (he himself is actually in a Polish prison at that time
          sat, together with relatives, and the prison was under the Germans).
          Put a pot on your head - less propaganda
          will fall into it.
          Once again - documents in the studio!
          There was Nuremberg, after all!
          1. Krasnodar
            Krasnodar 15 February 2022 18: 33
            -2
            Listen to the speeches of both Israeli presidents in the Rada - there is an answer for you about all the ghouls from the UPA, UNA-UNSO and other scum. And at Nuremberg, the topics of the crimes of Soviet citizens were not raised, no matter from which organizations.
  12. svp67
    svp67 15 February 2022 14: 30
    +3
    Israel Blocks US Delivery of Iron Dome Anti-Missile System to Ukraine
    Ukraine itself refused it, knowing full well that it "won't be able to feed" this "dome". And now here it is...
  13. rocket757
    rocket757 15 February 2022 14: 40
    +2
    Ukraine will not receive the Israeli Iron Dome missile defense system, Israel managed to stop the transfer of the complex to Kiev, started by the Americans. This is reported by the publication "Yediot Ahronot".
    Is it true that they really wanted to convey?
  14. parathyron
    parathyron 15 February 2022 15: 05
    +4
    I like this phrase "Yediot Ahronot", could be a good curse. And it suits you, and fuck wink And just "the latest news"
    1. Krasnodar
      Krasnodar 15 February 2022 22: 42
      -1
      Quote: parathyron
      Yediot Ahronot" could be a good swear word.

      You have not yet heard the word of duty in Hebrew - MEKHUYAVYOT.
      Rights - SHUYOT
      Deferred Bank Check - CHECK DAHUY
      Summit - PISGA
      In Arabic, pearls are no worse - my brother - AHUY
      My land (Motherland) - BILYADI
      Type in the YouTube search engine - there is no money, long bumblebee, you don’t go to the wagon
      Hear a song in Arabic - a good mood is guaranteed until the end of the week! good
  15. Charik
    Charik 15 February 2022 15: 12
    +2
    It doesn’t suit us, some Ukrainian said, now it not only doesn’t suit you, but it also doesn’t fly up and swim up, that is, it’s not “under” at all.
  16. Servisinzhener
    Servisinzhener 15 February 2022 15: 20
    +1
    It is not clear why Ukraine needed this air defense system at all, like THAAD. Because in the event of a war with Russia, there will be no goals for them for which they were developed.
  17. Alien From
    Alien From 15 February 2022 15: 30
    +1
    When Khikhel was born, the Jew hanged himself! That's the whole point wassat
  18. Andred72
    Andred72 15 February 2022 16: 24
    +3
    I don’t know how everyone is, but I respect the policy of Israel and they hammer ahead of problems and don’t mumble later that they were deceived. Well done!
  19. KCA
    KCA 15 February 2022 17: 08
    0
    They are probably afraid that in the case of deliveries of air defense systems to Ukraine, Russia will unfreeze the deliveries of the S-300 to Iran, which were stopped at the request of Israel, and then suddenly the S-400
  20. eehnie
    eehnie 15 February 2022 18: 27
    -4
    The weaknesses of the Iron Dome system are obvious not only to the United States. Even Ukraine is aware of this.

    (Automatically translated from English. Below is the original commentary in English)

    The weaknesses of the Iron Dome system are not only evident for the United States. Even Ukraine realizes of them.
  21. bk0010
    bk0010 15 February 2022 20: 27
    +1
    It's a pity, it would be interesting to see it from the inside.
  22. flicker
    flicker 16 February 2022 11: 37
    -1
    Israel managed to stop the transfer of the complex to Kiev, started by the Americans. This is reported by the publication "Yediot Ahronot".
    Israel has good healthcare. They know that it is too late to drink Borjomi when the kidneys have failed. bully
  23. Victorio
    Victorio 16 February 2022 18: 14
    0
    but Kiev would not refuse to accept it as a gift from the United States to protect "from Russia".
    ===
    with the world on a thread - a naked shirt.
  24. Shahno
    Shahno 16 February 2022 18: 39
    +1
    If someone does not understand ... Israel is making efforts to prevent the supply of advanced systems to third countries.