British press: Russia has concentrated 60 percent of ground forces on the border with Ukraine

US President Joe Biden had a telephone conversation with British Prime Minister Boris Johnson. According to the British edition of the Daily Mail, the leaders of the two states agreed that the possibility of a diplomatic settlement of the situation around Ukraine has not yet been lost. The conversation between the US President and the British Prime Minister took place against the backdrop of a warning that in 48 hours the Russian army would allegedly attack Ukraine.

Biden and Johnson once again recalled that the war in Ukraine would lead to dire consequences for both Russia and the whole world, and also expressed confidence in the need for the unity of Western countries in the face of the Russian threat. This unity, as stated, should also be manifested in the introduction of a significant package of sanctions against Russia. True, as official representatives of the Russian authorities noted earlier, Russia has been living under sanctions for the last decade and nothing terrible has happened to the country because of this.

But what is interesting in the publication of the British edition is not even this, but the assertion that Russia has concentrated 60 percent of the personnel of its ground forces on the Russian border. It is unlikely that this is true, given that British authors have a poor idea of ​​the real capabilities of the Russian army. Earlier, in the Western press, the figure of 130 thousand people was repeatedly mentioned as the number of groups concentrated near the border with Ukraine.

Moscow has repeatedly responded to such accusations from Western countries that Russia is conducting military maneuvers on its territory and should not report to anyone about the redeployment of troops to the western and southwestern regions of the country. The United States does not report which units and why went, for example, from Arizona to Texas or from Georgia to Alaska. Accordingly, Russia also has the full right to redeploy troops across its territory, even if it sends all 100% of its ground forces to certain regions.

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[olhon]

Wangyu, on the 16th they will say - "We saved the world from disaster."

[Egoza]

Quote: olhon

Wangyu, on the 16th they will say - "We saved the world from disaster."

Let them talk! While they were talking and planning an "invasion" on the 16th, Ze was in a hurry and yesterday announced a new holiday in Ukraine! "February 16 - Unity Day!" What an interesting name! )))

[Nexcom]

This is when some of the Ukrainian senators (or who they are in the Rada) and the oligarchs fled from Nenka the day before? Cool.

[Sergei Zabelin]

And he tearfully asked the defenders and deputies who had scattered through the holes to be glad to get together, otherwise
yesterday there were 16 pieces out of 450, a disgrace

[Nexcom]

...probably for a holiday. Ze glade seems to have promised to cover. and forgive everyone if they return.

[olhon]

Well, don't run too far...

[abrakadabre]

Ze was in a hurry and yesterday announced a new holiday in Ukraine! "February 16 - Unity Day!" What an interesting name! )))

If only without sexual excesses. And then they will get drunk, and then they will treat any venus. And to say that they misunderstood the name of the holiday.

[sniperino]

Quote: Egoza

"February 16 - Unity Day!" What an interesting name!

It would be necessary to build a monument on this occasion. Let's say, for biblical reasons, the return of the prodigal son

[White man]

Egoza, we made a "Day of National Unity" on November 4th. And Putin said that we are one people

[Seryoga64]

So for this they last week in Moscow and dangled
So they will say, "We scared Putin"

[Berkut752]

I won't sleep, I'll "wait".

[28st region]

Or they won't say. And then the consequences for us will be unpredictable. Of course, there will be no nuclear war, there are no fools on both sides and they love a comfortable life and castles or ranches with wonderful fresh air.

[Nexcom]

I'm embarrassed to ask (c), how did they count them, these 60%? offhand?
Or up to subdivision?

[VORON538]

Don't you believe their honestly-honest "gentleman's high-like" ??? :)))

[Nexcom]

Sorry, I forgot their information system.
Mechanically treated as normal.

[Seryoga64]

Quote: Nexcom

and how did they count them, these 60%? offhand?

Nope. From the satellite over the heads

[Nexcom]

With "Sich 2-30"? Or were Bayraktars launched?

[Seryoga64]

Nah, the Americans shared a photo

[Nexcom]

That's because they are generous - usually they do not show proof to anyone.

"Do you have proof?"
"Yes, but we only talk about them. We don't show them"
"Greedy."

[Seryoga64]

Quote: Nexcom

That's because they are generous - usually they do not show proof to anyone.

Quote: Nexcom

That's because they are generous - usually they do not show proof to anyone.

It's a stranger. Shared with the small-shaven brothers for the "case"

[common man]

Quote: Nexcom

"Yes, but we only talk about them. We don't show them"

So they did not show the Ukrainians either. They said that 60% means 60%. Gentlemen must be trusted.

[Sergei Zabelin]

Until it works out, the connection is established, maybe in half a year, if it recharges

[Nexcom]

Did they launch him unloaded or what? Well, actually...
Did you lose the charger before launch?

[Seryoga64]

They charged their mobile phones for free and forgot the charger in the outlet

[Nexcom]

Most likely, their charger "stuck" to someone's hands.

[Seryoga64]

Well, this is a problem for a first grader. Sticking to the hands of the one who loaded last

[Sergei Zabelin]

No, the solar panels did not turn around, in short, he stood in an absurd pose like the whole outskirts

[Seryoga64]

Yes, let them figure out what and how

[Sergei Zabelin]

They themselves can’t, communication is only through amers, such a problem is possible

[Seryoga64]

This is their head

[tralflot1832]

They are racking their brains, different sources give us different numbers for the Russian ground forces from 240 to 300 thousand. Try to count, the National Guard also has heavy weapons.

[voyaka uh]

"I'm embarrassed to ask (s), but how did they count them ..." ////
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Feel free to ask

Up to divisions.
According to satellite photographs, the number of tents and prefabricated houses in field camps and the amount of equipment are counted.
It is known how many soldiers fit in a truck, armored personnel carrier, infantry fighting vehicle. How many people is the tent for?
Compare.
The error will be small.
This is standard military intelligence work.

[Stepan S]

According to satellite photographs, the number of tents is counted

That cloudy weather has been standing for the second month. Nothing is visible, and the engines of the tanks are muffled - they do not shine in the IR range.

[voyaka uh]

Satellite photos - from civilian satellites - are full.
And even they are of good quality.
And the resolution of military satellites is several times higher. And cloudiness has no effect.

[zadorin1974]

Good Aleksey. If the military satellites are so beautiful, and even "peaceful" ones complement, then what kind of "Clear Sky" treaty did they conclude? ordinary people in hysterics will storm the Polish border.

[voyaka uh]

"Then what kind of agreement" Clear Sky "was concluded then?" ///
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So it was cancelled. For military uselessness.
It was more of a "pact of confidence" than military necessity.

[zadorin1974]

No, they didn’t cancel it. The mattresses came out of it unilaterally (no need to distort it). But for some reason Europe really needed it.

[voyaka uh]

All this: confidence building measures. To prevent nuclear war.
And not because the satellites do not see. Satellites have "holes" for a couple of hours, for half a day. Depending on the importance of the tracking area. You can secretly take out the rocket in these two hours.
(And, for example, the launch of an ICBM is tracked to the nearest second from geostationary satellites. And the data is instantly transmitted to the missile defense system. Maybe a minute or two delay.)

But it is impossible to hide an army during concentration and deployment.

[zadorin1974]

Not trust, but the possibility of a disarming strike. At one time, two regiments of poplars were dragged on barges for 800 km per day. And seeing the launch is already a clinic. “Do you also think that we have about 350 thousand personnel there? Why carry nonsense?

[voyaka uh]

1) Launches are seen immediately. This is really a new thing. New generation of IR sensors. They were installed not only on satellites, but even on F-35 drummers.
2) not 350 thousand (there are not so many trained soldiers in the land parts of Russia), but about 125 thousand.
Trained soldiers. This is a very real number.

[zadorin1974]

Aleksey, what is a “trained soldier” in your concept? Or do you think that you have collected double basses from all parts in one place, and only the sick and the stupid remained in the PPD? they are annual.

[voyaka uh]

"Or do you think that you have collected from all parts of double basses" ///
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That is exactly what they did.
And rightly so.
I once served in the reserve in a separate infantry battalion.
Every three years there was a re-certification of companies for "combat fitness". At battalion exercises. One company failed the exercises and was demoted from the combat to the "company of the protection of objects."
In the event of a war, they would not be taken to participate in hostilities.
There is something similar in the Russian army, as far as I judged from the Donbass 2014-15

[zadorin1974]

According to conscripts, it’s now an ambush. I know almost first-hand (the average three years I served, already behind Birobidzhan))) Pioneer camp with a quiet hour. And at the expense of Donbas mercenaries there were a lot of Russians (I know at least seventeen people from the city), and here is a full whistle about entering the army.

[rotmistr60]

US President Joe Biden had a telephone conversation with British Prime Minister Boris Johnson.

We agreed who played a big role in "stopping Putin and preventing war in Europe" and how to reflect this in the media. Well, then it's quite funny

Russia has concentrated 60 percent personnel of their ground forces on the Russian border

So what are you losing? attack Russia from the east, where probably only border guards remained and in small numbers. Or is it one thing to write nonsense, and another reality?

[210ox]

And he wants to take all the laurels .... Rinat Akhmetov .. He promised to come to Mariupol .. Gadsky circus with horses.

[sagitovich]

Meet Russian troops with bread and salt so that the property is not taken away

[Crimean partisan 1974]

So what are you losing? attack Russia from the east, where probably only border guards remained and in small numbers

.... not .. that’s why they are afraid ... in the Far East it’s cold now .. there’s nothing to loot .. the population density is low .. in the wilderness area .. and the worst thing .. fighting bears in free hunting mode

[VORON538]

We already have a thaw, minus 10 during the day, minus 20-25 at night. Almost spring by local standards! :))) And tigers have joined the bears!

[Crimean partisan 1974]

Almost spring by local standards!:

... in the course of the "February windows" (the February period of warming) ...... well .... and we have snowdrops climbed out, and there are no combat bears - connecting rods ... or rather, there are, but you can count on the fingers of one hand in zoos

[Trapp1st]

then Russia has concentrated 60 percent of the personnel of its ground forces on the Russian border.

This is somewhere around 500 people, with everything you need ...) Admiral Kuznetsov is not yet visible there in the steppes, or is the ground not frozen?

[Pechkin]

This is somewhere around 500 people, with everything you need ...) Here it gets really crowded.

We have, in your opinion, the number of dry troops is 1 million. Human??

[Trapp1st]

Army Employed 900 (000) (2020th) Wiki

[URAL72]

Decree of the President of the Russian Federation of November 17, 2017 N 555 "On the establishment of the authorized strength of the Armed Forces of the Russian Federation"


In accordance with Article 4 of the Federal Law of May 31, 1996 N 61-FZ "On Defense" I decide:

1. Establish the staff strength of the Armed Forces of the Russian Federation in the amount of 1 units, including 902 military personnel.

2. The following are repealed:

Decree of the President of the Russian Federation of July 8, 2016 N 329 "On the staffing of the Armed Forces of the Russian Federation" (Sobraniye Zakonodatelstva Rossiyskoy Federatsii, 2016, N 28, Art. 4725);

Decree of the President of the Russian Federation of March 28, 2017 N 127 "On Amendments to the Decree of the President of the Russian Federation of July 8, 2016 N 329 "On the Staffing Level of the Armed Forces of the Russian Federation" (Sobraniye Zakonodatelstva Rossiyskoy Federatsii, 2017, N 14, Art. . 2050).

3. This Decree shall enter into force on January 1, 2018.

President of Russian Federation

Putin

Moscow Kremlin
November 17 2017 years

This is the strength of the RF Armed Forces as a whole, and the article dealt only with the Ground Forces. After this decree, the strength of the RF Armed Forces, as far as I know, did not change. There is a true PMC, but that's another story. Well, Vicki ... This is a girl of easy virtue, you should not trust her.

[Pechkin]

British press: Russia has concentrated 60 percent of ground forces on the border with Ukraine

Trapp1st. You can at least read the title. Ground forces, and their number in the region of 300 thousand.

[Runoway]

Monya calls from Israel to Odessa:
- Senya, what is going on there?
- Yes, Ukraine is at war with Russia a little...
- And what, there are losses?
- Yes, there is ... Ukraine lost Crimea, a couple of regions, several planes and helicopters, tanks, infantry fighting vehicles, various weapons, decently for the people and ...
- And what did the Russians lose?
- Monya, you won’t believe it, the Russians haven’t come to the war yet ...

[Seryoga64]

. The conversation between the US President and the British Prime Minister took place against the backdrop of a warning that in 48 hours the Russian army would allegedly attack Ukraine.

They look like adults, but act like children.

This unity, as stated, should also be manifested in the introduction of a significant package of sanctions against Russia.

That's why they started this conversation

[Evil 55]

Yes, yes, they concentrated, and each soldier and armored object was given an invisibility cloak .. that's why no one on the border, despite the presence of more than 7500 satellites of various directions in orbit, does not see them.

[Terenin]

In Moscow repeatedly answered to similar accusations from Western countries that Russia is conducting military maneuvers on its territory and don't have to report to anyone

Some kind of contradiction "answered multiple times" и "shouldn't report to anyone"

[carstorm 11]

In what? The answer is the answer. A report is a report.

[Terenin]

Quote: carstorm 11

In what? The answer is the answer. A report is a report.

Okay. So be it.

[Alex013]

The Daily Mail is like "Speed ​​Info" or "Express Newspaper". Yellow press.
"... In February 2017, the editors of the English Wikipedia recognized the Daily Mail as an unreliable source and decided, if possible, to replace 12 references confirming the information with links to other publications ..."

[abrakadabre]

But what is interesting in the publication of the British edition is not even this, but the assertion that Russia has concentrated 60 percent of the personnel of its ground forces on the Russian border.

Yes, it's just that Shoigu finally decided to come to Kiev on a subpoena. With all the "accomplices" and material evidence. To not ride twice.
And since the number of both is considerable, the bandwidth of 1-2 large routes is not enough. So they will go from several directions. And some will be delivered by transport aircraft.
What are they worried about? Should rejoice. They themselves called.

[Charik]

sixty one %

[Amateur]

When will the Russian Foreign Ministry stop "chewing snot" and start to really fight fake news in the courts? It is clear that it is almost impossible to win a lawsuit against an English newspaper in an English court, but sooner or later the information noise and editorial expenses on lawyers will lead to the fact that newspapers will be afraid to write outright lies.

[Olgovich]

in the face of the Russian threat.

WHERE is at least one threat to Russia Ruin, an ultimatum to her, requirements for her, etc.?

War is always preceded by some kind of pretension. And where are they?

[K-50]

British press: Russia has concentrated 60 percent of ground forces on the border with Ukraine

They lie like breathing!
If, according to their reports, Russia has concentrated about 100 troops, does this 60% mean that we have only less than 200 troops? Or does this 60% mean that there are 600 thousand on the border, since it is believed that the Russian Army has about a million servicemen?
In general, "as the British scientists said."

[voyaka uh]

Anyway:
The CIA now has a clear visual picture of how many and what combat-ready units and formations Russia has.
Because all they are focused
(for peaceful exercises, of course
) in the southwest of Russia.

[Repellent]

Quote: voyaka uh

all they are focused

And again - an attempt to wishful thinking. However, the trend...

[Kerensky]

Well, everyone concentrated, everything was brought in, folders with the script were distributed, all the "experts" spoke out, the deadlines were announced.
But ..... they are waiting for something. There's a puzzle missing...

[wow]

That you sho!!!? Already 60% !!! And what is so little for the "strongest" army of Europia ...!?

[rocket757]

British press: Russia has concentrated 60 percent of ground forces on the border with Ukraine

Alya - wow! Who is bigger!!!
They compete, however ... that’s just to compete with impudent ones ... the competition, for no one, has yet grown to such a size.

[Berg berg]

In response to the Ukrainian 200th group near the border with Russia, the 100th Russian group is 400 km away. from the border of Ukraine it seems somehow small and nondescript! And in order to resolve the situation, it would not hurt the Ukrainians to also remove their troops from the border with Russia for the same 400 kilometers!

[APASUS]

in the publication of the British edition, not even this, but the assertion that Russia has concentrated 60 percent of its ground forces on the Russian border.

You give more, I have fresh info, all 250%. We also took a couple of armies from Butsky

[Siberia55]

60%??? Outdated information. 160%!!!

[engineer74]

But Zelensky is still great, he pulled out everything possible from the topic: “On this great day, the Unity of Ukraine and the entire civilized world prevented the Third World War! We won the greatest victory of the millennium without firing a single shot! The enemy is defeated! This is a holiday not only for Ukraine, but and the entire civilized world, and we will celebrate this Victory Day every year!" © - from the speech of the President of Ukraine on February 16, 2023, my translation
IMHO

[VORON538]

E-may, Bollywood, compared to ukrovlady, is not even close! Although, it will be so, only the speech is supposed to move the sleeping Joe, he will say something for his own people, but on a planetary scale, of course, Joe! It’s funny how to almost organize a war with Russia, and then, when she doesn’t appear again, declare victory. I read somewhere that some small country, either Africa or South America, declared war on the states. days to the states, the king of that country counted the defeat. And then the same nonsense happens.

[FVA]

Not so simple. You can’t throw hats on the APU. There are enough forces there. A carefully planned multi-species operation is necessary. At the information stage, suppress the will of the enemy to resist. In the first phase of hostilities (stage 1). Massed fire strike (MOA) on state and military command and control points, command and control points, troop concentration areas, air defense position areas, artillery firing positions, support bases and depots, troop strongholds on the front line and other critical targets of destruction. The purpose of the MOU is to discourage any kind of resistance. In the second phase of combat operations (second stage). Air and ground operation. Suppress any resistance of the ground enemy with missile and air strikes, massive artillery fire, concentric strikes from the south, north and east in the direction of Kiev, Dnepropetrovsk, Melitopol to reach the line of the Dnieper, Odessa, Belgorod-Dnestrovsky rivers. In the future, to form the Dnieper on a broad front and reach the line of the old border.

[FVA]

In addition to the above. The actions of special operations forces must be considered separately, as a separate component of an interspecific operation.

[January]

Am I the only one who thinks they just won't fit? With a nominal number, it seems 240 people. 000% is 60 thousand. No steppe is enough to place.

[FVA]

Here is the approximate composition of the APU grouping in the Luhansk operational direction.
Lugansk operational direction. Task Force North.
Operational group "North" (79 odshbr, 57 ombr, 24 ombr, 30 ombr, 53 ombr, 56 ombr, 54 ombr, up to 1 brigade, up to 3 ombr, up to 2 odshbr, up to three abr, rib, 1 -2 squadron 383 OP UAV).
OG reserves. Up to 3 ombr, up to 2 odshbr, up to 2 abr, rib and one tbr.
Combat and strength
In the 1st echelon: 12 battalions, 103 tanks, 392 infantry fighting vehicles (BTR), 240 barrels, RA 48 BM.
In the second echelon: up to 2 ombr, 6 battalions, 62 tanks, 198 infantry fighting vehicles (BTR), 120 barrels, RA 24 BM.
Gain: up to tbr, up to 3 ombr, up to 2 abr.
In total in Luhansk ON: 27 battalions, 353 tanks, 914 infantry fighting vehicles (BTR), 648 barrels, 180 BM RA.
RVGK reserve: up to tbr from the reserve corps, up to dshbr, up to abr from the reserve corps, 43 abr BM, 1/383 OP UAV.
The usual army offensive operation in a slightly reduced composition. The total grouping should be reduced by about 30%.

[January]

You probably didn't understand. I spoke about the forces of the Russian Federation, as did the author of the article that we are discussing here.
The grouping of the Armed Forces of Ukraine does not sit in tents in the steppe (well, at least in general). For 8 years they have settled down enough in positions.