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Atlantropa and Stalin's idea to drain the Caspian

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This is what the Mediterranean would look like now if Sörgel had carried out his plan.

Time for a change



The turbulent 50th century was simply full of attempts to conquer nature. In the Soviet Union in the 60s and XNUMXs they planned close the Bering Straitwishing to moderate the climate in the Arctic. According to contemporaries, a dam pumping cold water into the Pacific Ocean would eventually send Japan and the Soviet Primorye into a new ice age. At the same time, the situation with frosts in Yakutia would not change much.

There were also more sensible ideas. For instance, dig a tunnel to Sakhalin, thereby ensuring uninterrupted traffic of goods and passengers to and from the island. The idea, which belonged to Stalin, has already begun to be implemented, but in 1953 it was abandoned due to the death of the leader of the peoples.

But one should not think that the ideas of megaprojects capable of reshaping not only the landscape, but changing the climate on the continent, were inherent only in the Soviet system. In 1928, the German architect and part-time racist Hermann Sörgel proposed a unique project for the partial drainage of the Mediterranean Sea.

Technically, it looked very elegant - two dams with hydroelectric power plants block off the Strait of Gibraltar and the Dardanelles. In addition to this, it was planned to expand the Suez Canal and install a system of locks in order to ensure the outflow of water into the Red Sea. To deprive the Mediterranean of an influx of fresh water, Sörgel proposed to flood all the rivers flowing into the sea with hydroelectric power plants. According to the maps, it was planned to leave only the Nile Delta free from the hydroelectric power station.

The Germans generally had special plans for Africa. In theory, two man-made seas were supposed to appear on the continent - in the area of ​​\u100b\u200bLake Chad and the Congo River. One of Sörgel's many projects also included a hydroelectric dam between Sicily and Tunisia, linking Europe and Africa into the single continent of Atlantropa. If the influx of water into the Mediterranean Sea through hydroelectric power plants is strictly dosed, the German architect believed, the water level in just a few years will drop by XNUMX-XNUMX meters only from natural evaporation.

In fact, along the line Tunisia - Sicily - Italy, a land crossing is formed, dividing the sea into two parts. And two mega-dams in Gibraltar and the Dardanelles would simply flood Europe with cheap electricity. Water receding for tens of kilometers from European shores will expose lands larger than France in area. According to the architect, at least 660 thousand square meters. kilometers of seabed would be suitable for life and agricultural development.

Sörgel, in order to promote his vision of a new European world, in 1929 even published a little book called "Lowering the Mediterranean Sea, Irrigating the Sahara: the Panrop Project." The grandiose plan quickly found its admirers, and a team of like-minded people quickly gathered around the architect. They created the profile institute of Atlantropa, which happily existed until 1960.



Atlantropa and Stalin's idea to drain the Caspian



Zergel developed the Atlantropa project to an impressive scale in more than twenty years.

beautiful and promising история Sörgel promised Europe only good things.

First, mega-construction will require hundreds of thousands of workers, and this will solve the problem of unemployment on the continent.

Secondly, cascades of hydroelectric power plants in the Straits and in Africa were supposed to generate several hundred GW of electricity, which would push European industry into a bright technological future. Jokes aside, but now in Europe they wouldn’t worry so much about half-empty gas storages - it would be possible to heat the dwellings from gratuitous electricity.

Thirdly, new territories freed from sea water would provide "living space" in such a cramped Europe. In particular, many sympathizers of the architect planned to resettle local Jews to new lands, or even expel them along the formed land isthmus to Africa.

And finally, fourthly, Sörgel quite consciously tried to redirect the fervor of the emerging Nazism to the African continent. In some writings, he openly flirted with the Nazi ambitions of the German elite.






In Africa itself, a real European paradise was to form in a few decades. Two giant seas will seriously soften the climate of the continent, put an end to droughts and famines, and also ensure the rapid transit of goods.

It should be understood that in an effort to turn Africa into a blooming garden, Sörgel by the 30s of the last century was far from being a pioneer. In 1912, a certain French scientist Esheguayen proposed to dig a canal from the Mediterranean Sea to fill the Sahara desert with water. The driest part of Africa is located below sea level, so it is theoretically easy to do this, the Frenchman believed. Moreover, the rocks adjacent to the desert are loose and easily mined. In total, at least 35 billion tons of sea water should have come to the Sahara, which would radically change the climate of the north of the continent.

By the way, quite a good idea for the current fighters against global warming and the subsequent rise in sea levels. Why not take advantage of Professor Esheguayen's project and dig a channel into the Sahara in order to at least slightly reduce the pressure of the oceans on the islands? So Sörgel, apparently impressed by the French canals that needed to be “digged without shelving,” decided to change the climate of Africa.

Just don't think about the population.

Aftermath


For the inhabitants of Africa, the implementation of German architectural megaprojects threatened, if not with genocide, then with a large-scale disaster. Several million people would either be driven out of their places of residence, or simply flooded with the waters of dammed rivers. Sörgel, as a true racist of his time, saw in this only positive aspects of the liberation of living space for the white race of masters.

By all indications, Hitler should have liked the idea of ​​Atlantrope, but he was already aiming east, and the conquest of Africa in such a titanic complex way did not interest him at all.

Herman Sörgel did not leave the thought of implementing the Atlantropa project until the end of his days.

Mussolini was also against it, rightly fearing for the Italian coast. The entire port infrastructure and resort centers would have ended up in the depths of the country in a few years. It's scary to think what the Italian pearl Venice would have turned into. Despite the support of a number of European leaders, Sörgel did not manage to get his project off the ground. However, until his death in December 1952, Hermann Sörgel did not give up hope for the practical implementation of the concept of Atlantropa.

The oil-rich Caspian Sea. Source: lotosgtrk.ru

In the history of the unfulfilled merger of Europe and Africa into one continent, one cannot ignore the idea of ​​Joseph Stalin to drain the Caspian Sea. Only the plans of the leader of the peoples had nothing to do with the redrawing of the world map. But first things first.

In 1952, Stalin instructed the head of the Hydroproject, Sergei Zhuk, to develop a plan to divert water from the Caspian. The main goal is to simplify and accelerate the extraction of oil from the depths covered with sea water. The country after the Great Patriotic War was intensively recovering, the Cold War was going on, and the reduction in the cost of oil production was strategically important. Stalin gave the head of the Hydroproject only two weeks to develop a detailed plan for diverting the Volga from the Caspian to the Kazakh steppes and damming the Kura River in Azerbaijan.

In total, in order to expose the bottom of the sea, it was necessary to divert the channels of hundreds more rivers, which annually contributed at least 290 cubic kilometers of fresh water. Naturally, in any case, this would have caused flooding of the gigantic territories of the USSR, many of which were densely populated and involved in agriculture.

According to the calculations of the Hydroproject, the diversion of the Volga alone would require about 10 billion rubles and 4–5 years of work. At the same time, even the complete isolation of the Caspian Sea from fresh waters did not guarantee its drainage - the vast territory of the sea would inevitably collect natural precipitation. For the final transformation of the sea into a dry valley, they planned to simply pump out water for 16-17 years.

In general, the duration of the project and its extraordinary cost stopped Stalin in time from practical implementation. It was decided to extract oil from offshore platforms, especially since such technologies already existed in the USSR since 1949.

About what consequences could expect the inhabitants of Europe and the Caspian region, in the event of the implementation of the described crazy projects, one can ask the witnesses of the tragedy of the Aral Sea - the largest environmental disaster of the XNUMXth century.
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  1. carstorm 11
    carstorm 11 17 February 2022 05: 35
    +2
    But man is not the master of nature. He is her temporary resident. And when we are very well convinced of this ...
    1. alone
      alone 17 February 2022 05: 53
      0
      Quote: carstorm 11
      But man is not the master of nature. He is her temporary resident. And when we are very well convinced of this ...

      Few understand it request
      1. Ashes of Claes
        Ashes of Claes 17 February 2022 10: 40
        +3
        Quote: lonely
        Few understand it

        "Not only everyone. Few people can do it" (c)
    2. Archon
      Archon 18 February 2022 04: 32
      0
      When the Sun, dying, expands, it will completely erase all traces of human activity.
  2. Vladimir_2U
    Vladimir_2U 17 February 2022 05: 44
    +33
    The author writes that it was Stalin who decided to drain the Caspian, although in my opinion this is a classic "They themselves invented Stalin's crime and exposed it themselves."
  3. NDR-791
    NDR-791 17 February 2022 05: 53
    +4
    Technically, it looked very elegant - two dams with hydroelectric power plants block off the Strait of Gibraltar and the Dardanelles.

    Yep, technically. There was another small, small but... In the eyes of the British public, Gibraltar remained, as the newspapers wrote, "a symbol of the maritime dominion of Great Britain, a symbol of the created empire, which, more than the British Lion or John Bull, demonstrated the power and prestige of Britain to the whole world"
    One word - architect. wassat
  4. Far B
    Far B 17 February 2022 05: 55
    +36
    In the Soviet Union in the 50-60s, they planned to block the Bering Strait
    Damn, we didn't plan to! An idea that has visited someone's head, even put on paper, is not a plan of the state! There - at one time, Porfiry Ivanov, in his family shorts, tried to break through to the Kremlin in order to convince dear Leonid Ilyich of the benefits of mass winter swimming. Rumor has it that he even met with one of the Kremlin elders (I present a picture, yes laughing ). And he didn't convince me. But the idea was. Even scientific works were written about grandfather Porfiry, but this is not a reason to write an article under the heading "The USSR planned to turn all its citizens into walruses."
    The same is true for Stalin's idea about draining the Caspian Sea - an idea arose, he gave the task study, study. And planning is already a very next level, and you can’t limit yourself to two weeks there. And it is unlikely that Stalin seriously considered the possibility of draining the Caspian - he was neither a projector, nor, moreover, a fool.
    1. Ross xnumx
      Ross xnumx 17 February 2022 07: 25
      +7
      Quote: Dalny V
      And it is unlikely that Stalin seriously considered the possibility of draining the Caspian - he was neither a projector, nor, moreover, a fool.

      This is evidenced by the fact that every day the IVS read about 300 pages of scientific, political and technical literature...
      Who among the current can boast of this?
    2. Olgovich
      Olgovich 17 February 2022 09: 53
      -23
      Quote: Dalny V
      Idea, Won - at one time Porfiry Ivanov in family shorts

      The same for the idea Stalin about draining the Caspian


      Good comparison! good Only now they simply laughed at the idea of ​​​​an ordinary Porfiry, and they laughed at the idea of ​​​​Porfiry with power no less sincerely, but very deep down, and the Hydroproject team had to work for half a month.
      Quote: Dalny V
      he was neither a projector, nor, moreover, a fool.

      Yes, from the same time period as the Caspian::

      TASS message dated 13.01.1953/XNUMX/XNUMX:

      Some time ago, the state security authorities disclosed a terrorist group of doctors who set themselves the goal of reducing the lives of active leaders of the Soviet Union through destructive treatment.

      Among the members of this terrorist group were: Professor Vovsi MS, general practitioner; professor Vinogradov VN, general practitioner; professor Kogan M.B., general practitioner; Professor Kogan B.B., general practitioner; Professor Egorov P.I., general practitioner; Professor Feldman A.I., otolaryngologist; Professor Etinger Ya.G., general practitioner; professor Grinshtein A.M., neuropathologist; Maiorov G.I., general practitioner.

      documentaries data, studies, conclusions of medical experts and confessions of those arrested, it has been established that the criminals, being hidden enemies of the people, carried out wrecking treatment sick and undermined their health.

      The investigation established that the members of the terrorist group, using their position as doctors and abusing the trust of patients, deliberately villainously undermined the health of the latter, deliberately ignored the data of an objective study of patients, made them incorrect diagnoses that did not correspond to the actual nature of their diseases, and then improper treatment destroyed them.
      belay fool
      1. chenia
        chenia 17 February 2022 16: 19
        +4
        Quote: Olgovich
        Yes, from the same time period as the Caspian::


        Mister white underpants, do you know this business?
        There is a wagon and a small trolley from Shcherbakov to Zhdanov and beyond. Moreover, those who had the courage to object (Tymoshchuk) were thrown out of work (Egorov tried) and persecuted (moreover, she gave the first signal when Zhdanov was alive, and in order to change the treatment, and not blame someone) .. And there, not only she suffered from the luminaries.
        1. Olgovich
          Olgovich 18 February 2022 09: 38
          -5
          Quote: chenia
          Mister white underpants, do you know this business?

          Yes, everyone knows, comrade. besp-ny: after the end of paranoia, immediately ALL doctors were acquitted and reinstated in their positions and salaries.

          Ryumins who fabricated this heinous deed are punished
          1. VLR
            VLR 19 February 2022 18: 22
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            In fact, it has been proven, although not advertised, that Zhdanov still had a heart attack. Which Tymoshchuk saw, but was overlooked by academic professors. And the question is interesting, what then happened? Illiterate academicians did not see myocardial infarction on the ECG? Or - they saw, but decided not to upset Comrade Zhdanov? And not to treat, at the same time? And, perhaps, it was not in vain that in recent years Stalin somehow did not trust these "luminaries" of Soviet medicine too much?
            1. Olgovich
              Olgovich 20 February 2022 10: 09
              -2
              Quote: VlR
              it has been generally proven, although not advertised, that Zhdanov did have a heart attack. Which Tymoshchuk saw, but was overlooked by academic professors.

              In fact, it has been proven that he had coronary disease, giving such a cardiogram.
              Quote: VlR
              And, perhaps, it was not in vain that in recent years Stalin somehow did not trust these "luminaries" of Soviet medicine too much?

              Of course, right - for all citizens
      2. p0pulivox
        p0pulivox 17 February 2022 17: 00
        0
        Olgovich (Andrey)
        "Brilliant", cast in granite from the series ̶s̶p̶e̶sh̶i̶t̶e̶ ̶v̶ ̶"̶B̶a̶n̶k̶ ̶I̶m̶p̶e̶r̶i̶a̶l̶"̶ "There is an elderberry in the garden, and an uncle in Kiev"... lol
  5. parusnik
    parusnik 17 February 2022 06: 12
    +19
    The drainage of the Caspian Sea, there was no such project, information was taken from the alleged memoirs of the KGB chief Serov, found 25 years after his death, only there it was published ... The fact that it is not possible to drain the sea was understood in antiquity .. we read about Aesop, as well as similar, Adyghe, Ossetian, Abkhazian, Georgian fairy tales and legends
    1. Catfish
      Catfish 17 February 2022 08: 39
      +14
      Drainage of the Caspian, there was no such project,

      It is also doubtful to me, Stalin was not an empty projector.
      But intoxicated heads sometimes visit such thoughts. laughing
      I remembered from Prosper Merimee:
      "It was a lot of work to take him home long after midnight: he was drunk to smithereens, terribly excited and threatened to set fire to Salamanca and drink Tormes so that it would be impossible to put out the fire." (c)
      1. parusnik
        parusnik 17 February 2022 13: 20
        +13
        There is such an Adyghe legend, a drunken man promised to drink, the sea, as they say, the horseman said, the horseman did. In the morning I woke up, my wife says, do you remember what you promised when drunk? And at the outskirts, the whole aul is standing. Waiting. The wife reminded you that you promised to drink the sea, he grabbed his head. She gave him advice. One condition? OK? Yes, yes. Khrushchev had a project on this topic, not Stalin. And I took a bike from a memoir, allegedly Serov, I read it, nothing special, my opinion is a fake.
        1. Catfish
          Catfish 17 February 2022 14: 15
          +4
          .Projectionism was with Khrushchev,

          Yes, if you believe Nikita, then "the current generation of our people" is already living under communism, although some part is certainly. laughing
          1. parusnik
            parusnik 17 February 2022 14: 43
            +5
            No doubt laughing
          2. p0pulivox
            p0pulivox 17 February 2022 17: 03
            +1
            And even under the National Union of Artists, there was talk of building communism by 1980. in general terms. They must have felt something...
            1. Catfish
              Catfish 17 February 2022 17: 55
              0
              They must have felt something...

              Well, not everyone was there ... Nikita. smile
        2. Outsider V.
          Outsider V. 20 February 2022 16: 26
          +1
          There is such an Adyghe legend, a drunken man promised to drink, the sea


          The ancient Roman historian Plutarch (c. 46 - c. 127) reports that Xanthus (Neanth), the owner of the legendary Aesop (VI century BC), was in a difficult situation. Being drunk, he promised to drink the sea. Aesop found a way out. Tell them "I am ready to drink the sea, but I will do it on the condition that you divert the rivers that flow into it."
          1. parusnik
            parusnik 21 February 2022 20: 57
            0
            About Aesop, in the first comment he indicated, thanks for the source .. But apparently Plutarch, many peoples read, including the Adygs. If you are interested in legends and fairy tales of different peoples, many have such a story, you won’t believe it, even among some people of the Philippines.
            1. Outsider V.
              Outsider V. 23 February 2022 10: 26
              0
              Quite possible. The idea is beautiful and quite versatile.
  6. Daniil Konovalenko
    Daniil Konovalenko 17 February 2022 08: 19
    +20
    According to the calculations of the Hydroproject, the diversion of the Volga alone would require about 10 billion rubles and 4–5 years of work. At the same time, even the complete isolation of the Caspian Sea from fresh waters did not guarantee its drainage - the vast territory of the sea would inevitably collect natural precipitation.
    and what did he propose to do with the three rivers that flowed into the Caspian Sea from Iran: Sefidrud, Atrek, Gorgan? And where would the drainage of the Urals, Terek, Sulak and Emba be taken? This is the type like Khrushchev’s, Stalin led the troops on the globe .. “You won’t write about the plan for field-protective afforestation, the introduction of grass-field crop rotations, the construction of ponds and reservoirs to ensure high sustainable yields in the steppe and forest-steppe regions of the European part of the USSR,” during the implementation of which you to an increase in grain yields by 25-30%, vegetables - by 50-75%, herbs - by 100-200%. Also, as a result of the growth of investment in agriculture and the improvement of the technical equipment of collective farms and state farms, it was possible to create a solid fodder base for the development of animal husbandry (machine and tractor stations played a significant role in this). The production of meat and lard in 1951 compared with 1948 increased by 80%, including pork - by 100%, milk production - by 65%, eggs - by 240%, wool - by 50%. With the death of Stalin in 1953, the implementation of the plan was curtailed. Many forest belts were cut down, several thousand ponds and reservoirs for fish breeding were abandoned, 1949 forest protection stations created in 1955-570 were liquidated ... And you write about some kind of fake, draining the Caspian Sea ..
  7. Aviator_
    Aviator_ 17 February 2022 08: 48
    +2
    It's scary to think what the Italian pearl Venice would have turned into.

    This "pearl" now has a specific smell. He used to be even stronger.
    1. Avior
      Avior 17 February 2022 12: 25
      +2
      Septic tanks were installed everywhere, mustiness in some places except perhaps.
      But the fact that the "pearl" is completely rusty, every piece of iron is what it is, that is ....
      1. Ashes of Claes
        Ashes of Claes 17 February 2022 17: 00
        +2
        Quote: Avior
        But the fact that the "pearl" is completely rusty, every piece of iron is what it is, that is ....

        I turned three times "by the will of my wife ..." when I hung out in my auto trips ... I can't stand Venice, forgive me. I never understood the enthusiastic attitude toward her "through Brodsky." Alas for me.
  8. Pushkowed
    Pushkowed 17 February 2022 09: 15
    +15
    Alanthrope has already been carried out several times (up to 8) by nature itself, in a completely natural way. It was 5-6 million years ago. The phenomenon was called the "Messinian peak of salinity" and was caused by tectonic processes in the Gibraltar region.

    Moreover, approximately in 0,6 million years this will happen again, but for a different reason: due to the convergence of the continental plates of Africa and Europe, the Strait of Gibraltar will close.

    And lakes in Africa are also not new. The giant lake on the site of present-day Chad existed approximately from 15 to 4 thousand years ago, i.e. is already in historical time. It is assumed that it was larger than the Caspian in terms of area, i.e. was the largest lake in the world. They call him Mega Chad.

    The Sahara was then "green", i.e. more like a savannah than a desert. And there were several such lakes.

    Now on the site of Mega-Chad is the Bodele depression. Organic sediments accumulated at the bottom of the former lake are swept out by dust storms from this depression, carried by winds across the Atlantic and fall in South America, bringing scarce nutrients (primarily phosphorus) there. It is the drying up of Mega-Chad that the current Amazonian selva owes its existence to.

    And it is also assumed that the change in the climate of the Sahara from humid to arid and vice versa occurs cyclically, with a period of several tens of thousands of years. And now there is a period of aridization. Now African countries are promoting the Green Wall project to stop the expansion of the Sahara to the south.

    It seems to be a good undertaking, but it turns out that formally, from the point of view of "eco-activists" it must be admitted that they go against nature. And in this they are no better than Sörgel.

    So we can draw the following moral: such megaprojects are not violence against nature. On the contrary, they use the natural laws of nature and, in a sense, "help" nature, ensuring the onset of processes that will happen anyway, but it would be more convenient for humanity if they happen right now.

    And yes, morality "green religion", which is based on the postulate "a person is guilty of global climate change, therefore, he must actively correct it, repent and fast (read - limit his energy and any consumption in general), live in harmony with nature (read - roll back to the Middle Ages)" logically suggests 2 consequences:
    1 person can influence the climate.
    2 person should influence the climate.

    And in what direction to change it? And who should decide this? And what is the guideline for this?

    So wangyu: the era of geoengineering is yet to come. We already know how to create artificial lakes (hydroelectric reservoirs), build artificial islands (Spratly), reclaim land from the sea (Netherlands), disperse rain and hail clouds ... And somehow we do not take into account religious objections that we, they say , we encroach on someone's "holy", we invade God's providence, etc ...

    The whole question is only in scale.

    And mistakes ... Where without them (especially in the early stages)? We are, in fact, just getting started.
    1. House 25 Sq. 380
      House 25 Sq. 380 17 February 2022 16: 24
      0
      The main thing, by chance - do not finish quickly)
    2. Motorist
      Motorist 18 February 2022 00: 16
      0
      Quote: Pushkowed
      1 person can influence the climate.
      2 person should influence the climate.

      Hello. I also did not like the tone of the article: like - a Nazi, which means he was carrying a blizzard. Man is the king of nature, to arrange it for himself.

      Now, with supercomputers, it is much easier to calculate the benefits and consequences - it's time to start improving the planet instead of "green" nonsense.
      1. Usher
        Usher 18 February 2022 23: 27
        +2
        I did not like the tone of the article: like - a Nazi, which means that he was carrying a blizzard.
        you can tell me, the sensible thoughts of the Nazis, I don’t remember something, I heard one anti-scientific blizzard.
        1. Motorist
          Motorist 18 February 2022 23: 50
          0
          Quote: Usher
          I did not like the tone of the article: like - a Nazi, which means that he was carrying a blizzard.
          you can tell me, the sensible thoughts of the Nazis, I don’t remember something, I heard one anti-scientific blizzard.

          Actually, I'm not talking about this, but since you asked - V-2, for example. Me-262.

          You misunderstood my comment: the position of the Author is that this is all nonsense, because the Nazi came up with it. Re-read this - first of all, architect, but you need to manipulate the word "racist":

          In 1928, the German architect and part-time racist Hermann Sörgel proposed a unique project
          1. Usher
            Usher 19 February 2022 01: 12
            +2
            You are a little confused, thought and industry with production, no one denies V-2, Tigers. But even before them, it was known about ballistic missiles, etc. They just needed it. It's like now, for example, LASER. Everyone knows what it is. But suddenly someone needs a child prodigy to win the ongoing war (hypothetical without nuclear weapons). Ash tree stump that there will be breakthroughs in laser technology. But the laser has long been known. And the Nazis carried more nonsense.
            1. Motorist
              Motorist 19 February 2022 14: 52
              0
              Quote: Usher
              And the Nazis carried more nonsense.

              I understand you, I myself hate the Nazis. And yet, the article is about technical projects, and not about their racial theory and other rubbish.

              And about the fact that everything was invented before them: it's one thing - an idea (not a project!), And quite another - its implementation. hi
  9. ivan2022
    ivan2022 17 February 2022 10: 40
    +15
    Where the author takes these "instructions and decisions of Stalin" - - remains a mystery. Probably the same process as with the overlap. Bering Strait. An article written by a certain engineer in the journal Tekhnika Molodezhi is taken and elevated to the rank of a priority project of the next 5-year plan ... And what plans could there have been in the USSR under Stalin?

    Stalin's left leg itched, the idea hit his head in the morning and he ordered ... And 200 million ...... set in motion ... Horror, an epic country inhabited by outlandish creatures.

    Maybe it is for the sake of such an image of the USSR that articles are written about the megaprojects of the USSR? Maybe this is another modern megaproject in the field of social management? And what? After all, you go, for decades they have been hitting the brains of readers and all at one point!
    1. Ashes of Claes
      Ashes of Claes 17 February 2022 11: 41
      +7
      Quote: ivan2022
      Where the author takes these "instructions and decisions of Stalin" - - remains a mystery.

      And I don’t understand at all - why combine two topics in one article? I guess that putting the tag in the title #stalin will undoubtedly add clickbait and wind up the counter of visits. It's an aphrodisiac for his fans. yes
      1. parusnik
        parusnik 17 February 2022 14: 12
        +10
        It's an aphrodisiac for his fans.
        Article in the spirit of the times. Stalin "drank the sea", Lenin planted "atomic bombs". All as "senior" says. In other words, how it is heard is how it is written. smile Only without quotes.
        1. Ashes of Claes
          Ashes of Claes 17 February 2022 14: 41
          +7
          Quote: parusnik
          Article in the spirit of the times. Stalin "drank the sea", Lenin planted "atomic bombs". All as "senior" says.

          Perhaps. Some petty author's speculation
          one cannot ignore Joseph Stalin's idea of ​​draining the Caspian Sea.
          - well, I would have walked past this stupid apocrypha, but no ... I’m by no means a fanatic of Dzhugashvili, but the author’s message is clearly distorted “memorial” - in the cognitive twilight of a demented old man, they say, some kind of sick fantasy surfaced - and the car spun along implementation of the host chimera....
          Yes, and pedaling the "racist" and "National" motives of Sörgel with his Panropa is also pure speculation, sorry.
          In general, it looks like a translation from some tabloid.
          1. parusnik
            parusnik 17 February 2022 14: 55
            +5
            The first part yes, translation, the second gag
  10. Ashes of Claes
    Ashes of Claes 17 February 2022 10: 56
    +6
    Zergel developed the Atlantropa project to an impressive scale in more than twenty years.

    Actually, this particular sketch belongs to Peter Behrens, not Sörgel. It shows a sketch of the 400-meter Atlantrope Tower and the north gate of the Gibraltar Dam. Made in 1931.
  11. Avior
    Avior 17 February 2022 12: 22
    +4
    Technically, it looked very elegant - two dams with hydroelectric power plants block off the Strait of Gibraltar and the Dardanelles.

    The greatest depth of the Strait of Gibraltar is 1200 meters. How was he going to build the dam? Even Hitler did not fall for this with his passion for gigantism ....
    1. Ashes of Claes
      Ashes of Claes 17 February 2022 12: 51
      +9
      Quote: Avior
      The greatest depth of the Strait of Gibraltar is 1200 meters. How was he going to build the dam?

      West, exit. Between the Bay of Tangier and the bank of Cabezos.
      There, the depths are "only" 300-400m) The dam, according to his plan, should be built from three points at the same time - Morocco, Spain and in the middle. Conveyor-pontoon method with synchronous flooding of pontoons. According to his calculations - approx. 10 billion cubic meters of materials.
      But after the construction of the dam in the strait itself, it was planned to build a cascade of dams, in steps - each subsequent one is 100 meters lower than the previous one
      1. Avior
        Avior 17 February 2022 14: 31
        +6
        There the depths are "only" 300-400m)

        also suitable. she also had to stick up not weakly because of the difference in heights and the presence of storms in the ocean.
        I wanted to see the architect's cigarette case... :))
        He thought further, according to Wikipedia

        The dams would provide hydroelectric power and would be overseen by a newly formed independent body with the authority to discontinue energy to any country posing a threat to peace.

        The dams will provide hydroelectric power and will be overseen by a newly formed independent body with the power to cut off the power supply to any country that poses a threat to peace.

        https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Herman_Sörgel
        1. Ashes of Claes
          Ashes of Claes 17 February 2022 15: 29
          +7
          Quote: Avior
          will be controlled by a newly formed independent body with the authority to cut off the electricity supply to any country that poses a threat to peace.

          Well, don't forget - this is an interbellum, a monstrous war is behind, Europe is non-static - why not resort to the methods of the house manager from the "Diamond Hand"?) The League of Nations is, of course, a rickety body, but the idea of ​​unity, collective supervision and European cooperation, is a slogan " the future belongs to engineers" (and not to generals) - in general, for me, Sörgel's pan-European plan is gorgeous in its utopianism. It's something. Semi-tangible science fiction) He published his first draft in 1929 in 4 languages. And yes - the project was aimed at resisting the influence (or expansion, whatever) of America and Asia (by Asia, of course, the USSR was also understood) on Europe. Sörgel, of course, was a Spenglerian, but with a bit of optimism) Panrop is, if you like, a post-war hope. Moreover - after both wars, if we take the rating of publications about the project - the peaks fall on 1929-1932 and, for a minute - 1948-1950) And the project of the Central Bureau is futuristic)
          Well, this is not a topic for such a short article. It's a pity.
          1. Avior
            Avior 17 February 2022 15: 57
            +4
            In those days, ideas of scale were in the air


            Well, showing off to each other, as proof of the correctness of the "party line" has not been canceled.

            Later, life corrected to the level of Khrushchev.
  12. Ingvar K
    Ingvar K 17 February 2022 13: 29
    +5
    If you make repairs in an apartment for yourself, this is normal, and humanity will rebuild nature for itself. Holland has long been living below sea level due to dams and no one arises))))
    1. Usher
      Usher 19 February 2022 01: 07
      +1
      For the time being, for the time being)))
  13. wow
    wow 17 February 2022 15: 56
    +3
    When I was still small, my parents and I rode the Moscow-Tashkent train right along the northern coast of the Aral Sea, this is 1968. The sea was nearby, the shore was clearly visible. At the stops they sold a lot of all sorts of fish, dried and smoked. And already in the 80s, being an Air Force officer, he flew several times "over the Aral Sea", under the wing there were only a few small puddles.
    1. 75 Sergey
      75 Sergey 17 February 2022 20: 02
      0
      All questions are for the Kazakhs, they took water for the left cotton.
      1. Usher
        Usher 19 February 2022 01: 08
        +1
        Yeah, water intake didn't seem to have much of an effect. Aral Lake has dried up many times. Even in historical times.
  14. Basarev
    Basarev 17 February 2022 16: 42
    -3
    Draining the Caspian Sea is an extremely stupid undertaking. On the example of the Aral Sea, we know for sure.
  15. Sergey Tankist
    Sergey Tankist 17 February 2022 17: 49
    0
    The nonsense of a madman! It would be better if they made an elevator to the moon ...
  16. 75 Sergey
    75 Sergey 17 February 2022 20: 01
    +3
    Stirlitz knew that the last spoken phrase is remembered.
    In short, they pushed everything onto Stalin!
  17. Amateur
    Amateur 17 February 2022 20: 49
    +6
    What a muck this is your jellied fish
    (From New Year's Groundhog Day)

    Strange associations are caused by reading some articles on VO recourse
  18. Roman Efremov
    Roman Efremov 17 February 2022 21: 05
    +1
    Lower the level of the Mediterranean Sea by 100-200 meters????????????????????
    That is, shipping in the Mediterranean was supposed to disappear and all ports turn into unnecessary dead cities?
    Should the Suez Canal be closed?
    Was the entire beach resort infrastructure of southern Europe supposed to disappear?
    Was fishing in the Mediterranean supposed to disappear?
    Tens of millions of people were to lose their jobs and livelihoods?
    Europe was supposed to be attacked by sandstorms raised by the wind from the shallow and dried seabed?
    Yes, it is necessary to shoot for such projects ..............................
    1. Kushka
      Kushka 18 February 2022 00: 15
      0
      And give 10 years of execution, 15!
  19. Oorfene Juice and his wooden soldiers
    Oorfene Juice and his wooden soldiers 18 February 2022 14: 56
    -1
    Dry up the Caspian? It's petty. Comrade Stalin, back in the spring of 1945 in Berlin, offered the leaders of the Western coalition to divide the moon. In ancient times, the Nile River did not flow into the Mediterranean Sea, but into the Atlantic Ocean and carried its waters along the territory of the present Sahara. Tropical forests flourished in what is now the Sahara. Of that abundance, only crocodiles remain, which can still be found in the sands of the Sahara (this is not a joke).
  20. ivan2022
    ivan2022 26 February 2022 09: 37
    0
    I recently found an article written in the 90s, that the damned Bolsheviks "even did experiments with TIME" - they translated the hands of the clock, because their Marx was the enemy of everything Russian. Now, as we see, the authors have lost the former power of their possession, the author is not the same now, not the same at all ..... however, their main message remained unchanged.
  21. ivan2022
    ivan2022 26 February 2022 10: 13
    0
    Quote: Avior
    Later, life corrected to the level of Khrushchev.

    Ilf and Petrov also wrote on this topic in The Golden Calf; "Comrade Komsomol - build a huge pier!"
    True, one should not conclude from monstrous slogans that the country's leadership then consisted of cretins, and now the entire "elite" is smart. Whom the people put forward and endure, then he receives at all times.
  22. abrakadabre
    abrakadabre April 23 2022 19: 05
    0
    The driest part of Africa is below sea level
    Is it possible to get the coordinates and area of ​​\uXNUMXb\uXNUMXbthis magical section of the African continent from the author? And then here I am from the school bench presenting a physical map of the continent:

    And I still don’t understand what the author is raving about there? Where is the author dreaming of getting a whole sea by gravity? On the Ahaggar Highlands chtol? Or in the Tibesti mountains? The Qattara depression is not so big that there is a direct sea to make. Yes, and on the scale of Africa will not play from the word at all.
    I also wonder what kind of irrigation of hypothetical farmland with sea water the projectors listed in the article raved about?

    Partial drainage of the Mediterranean would free up vast areas of salt marshes. Subsequent drying and wind erosion would have raised huge amounts of salt dust into the air. Which would be carried by the wind to the already populated territory. In general, with a shortage of fresh water, all this would lead to the expansion of the desert in North Africa and the desertification of territories in southern Europe. Awesome Profit! fool

    As for the dam in the Strait of Gibraltar, there, with an average depth of 365 meters, the maximum is 1181 meters. This is how many cubic kilometers of concrete it is necessary to swell there in order to block the strait with a guarantee. At the same time, the dam must with a guarantee withstand not only the pressure of more than a kilometer of the Atlantic (as well as tides, storm surges), but also any earthquakes. The frequency of which will increase as the Mediterranean dries up and, as a result, the load is removed from the bottom. And also with a guarantee to compensate for the movement of tectonic plates. All of the above is not just with a guarantee, but with a GUARANTEE for hundreds to thousands of years. Because any breakthrough will lead to an unimaginable disaster.