In Ukraine, they are returning to a joint project with Saudi Arabia to create an aircraft based on the An-132

Before the New Year, the Crown Prince of Saudi Arabia visited the aircraft manufacturing plant of Antonov State Enterprise. After his visit to Ukraine, they decided to return to a joint project with Saudi Arabia to create an aircraft based on the An-132.

Sergei Bychkov, General Director of the Antonov State Enterprise, spoke about this on the air of the Ukrainian television program Security talks.

We are talking about an aircraft developed on the basis of a modified An-132D. The head of the enterprise said that Riyadh had resumed the project for the construction of small transport aircraft on its territory.

This decision was the result of a meeting between the management of the Ukrainian company and the crown prince of Saudi Arabia, which took place on the territory of the Antonov plant.

We signed a joint protocol, and at the end of February they should come directly with a roadmap, where we not only resume cooperation, but have already specifically scheduled the resumption of work on the design, creation and launch of an aircraft manufacturing plant and production in Saudi Arabia

- he said.

He also added that the modified aircraft will not be structurally changed much.

It is necessary to place the wing one and a half meters further from the bow. That's all!

- said the general director of the enterprise.

An-132 is an updated version of the An-26 light transport aircraft. Its modification An-132D was called the first Ukrainian aircraft without Russian components. In the middle of last year, Sergei Bychkov announced the curtailment of this project. According to him, this was due to a "tactical error" in the design of the aircraft and lobbying in Saudi Arabia for the interests of Airbus.

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[Stepan S]

He also added that the modified aircraft will not be structurally changed much.

It is necessary to place the wing one and a half meters further from the bow. That's all!

Those. the wing can just be moved one and a half meters and nothing will happen to the plane? How simple it turns out. Is it possible to do without wings at all so that the view is not interfered with?

[Andrei Nikolaevich]

Everything is easy and simple. Two farmers with screwdrivers and everything is ready. The main thing is timely. Until,, aChressia,, we must have time.

[tihonmarine]

Quote: Stepan S

Those. the wing can just be moved one and a half meters and nothing will happen to the plane?

Well, like a stool, rearrange from one corner of the hut to another. Delov then.

[Thrifty]

Wings are needed only for flight, therefore, as an option, wings retractable from the fuselage! They helped them in flight, discarded the ends before landing, that is, wings on parachutes, and nothing superfluous interferes with landing

[Aerodrome]

In Ukraine, they are returning to a joint project with Saudi Arabia to create an aircraft based on the An-132

[Fitter65]

Quote: Thrifty

that is, wings on parachutes,

PARACHUTS. It is necessary to write parachutes correctly ...

[venik]

Quote: Stepan S

It is necessary to place the wing one and a half meters further from the bow. That's all!

Those. the wing can just be moved one and a half meters and nothing will happen to the plane? How simple it turns out.

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Aha! It looks like the guys with centering missed! I wonder how they did it? Well, I would understand if such a plane was designed from scratch .... This sometimes happens! So, after all, they took the well-developed An-26 as a basis, an aircraft with excellent centering - they simply installed other engines, imported avionics, shortened the landing gear .... And oops! Such an embarrassment! After all, if the wing needs to be moved back by whole one and a half meters (!) Means the alignment is broken very seriously!

[Pete mitchell]

Quote: venik

It looks like the guys with centering missed! I wonder how they did it?

This is called “experience” - they were not shy, it seems, to carry around exhibitions with balancing plates on the floor, there the figure of decent hundreds of kg was announced. Amen...ma salama will soon be more correct

[venik]

Quote: Pete Mitchell

they weren't shy 178, it seems, to carry on exhibitions with balancing plates on the floor, there the figure of decent hundreds of kg was announced.

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Yes, there, if memory serves, either 1.5, or there were as many as 3 tons .... True, the An-178 was designed "from 0", so this can still be understood, but this machine had an unambiguous prototype ( there, the centering is not an example easier to calculate!

[Pete mitchell]

Quote: venik

True, the An-178 - it was designed "from 0", so ...

I don’t agree with you: 178 grew out of 148/158 projects that themselves grew out of 72TK ... but for any such miscalculation does not justify Kantor with such glorious traditions

[Thorvlobnor IV]

It may well be that the Saudis needed to increase the length of the cargo compartment in order to guarantee what they needed (2 military vehicles of a certain type, for example), and now they need to move the wing. It's nothing, it's a matter of life.

[venik]

Quote: Torvlobnor IV

It may well be that the Saudis needed to increase the length of the cargo compartment in order to guarantee what they need

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This is unlikely: such a task is usually solved by two "cuts into the fuselage (in front of and behind the center section - so as not to disturb the alignment), as the Americans did on the Starlifter (C-141A / C-141B).
And here we are talking about the "transfer" of the center section itself closer to the tail! So it's almost certainly a misalignment....

[ancestors from Don]

Another non-marketable Wishlist of Ukraine. All these are the developments of the Antonov design bureau since the times of the USSR, this project will not pull, and money is not the most important thing here, modern aircraft need technologies and composite materials, and no one is interested in "modernizing" something similar to the AN-2

[mojohed2012]

Again, as before, they will chat and forget.

[DymOk_v_dYmke]

Quote: mojohed2012

Again, as before, they will chat and forget.

Don't miss the chance to get rich.
And if the Saudis do not learn anything from someone else's experience of interacting with the Ukrainians, let them fill their bumps.

[Kerensky]

design work, creation and launch of an aircraft manufacturing plant and production in Saudi Arabia

They want a factory, not to buy planes. And what they will do at this plant is their business.

[nnm]

Oh, yes, how many such decisions and memorandums have already been in Ukraine ... and build "Mriya" themselves, and tanks, and missiles for "Yuzhmash", but there was nothing. And only about ANA I can immediately recall three such projects (does anyone else remember how they chose a brand name for the new ANA, which they also wanted to build together with the Arabs? Still joking, they wanted to call him "Stepan Bandera"). And in fact - a complete 0, as in the case of the result of another such promise by Zelensky, which he announced at a press conference against the background of the fuselage of the aircraft, which he promised to show in the air on Independence Day.
Whom to build, if many specialists have left, has one of the modern aircraft manufacturers and plant builders of Ukraine built at least one new workshop for such production in recent years? Or some kind of Ukrainian model of an aircraft at least once in the air over the past 30 years has risen?
Yes, I see that - investors are already running and lining up ...
At most, they will formalize a joint venture, where Ukraine's contribution will only be in the form of transfer (or, correctly, loss) of patents for production in exchange for a couple of photos of princes from Ze and a round bill on the "correct" personal offshore.
The next chapter "How to plunder the rest from the USSR) in the volume" Haberdasher and cardinal (or we plowed, me and the tractor) "performed by a satirical copy of the state

[tihonmarine]

Quote: nnm

Still joking, they wanted to call him "Stepan Bandera").

From above, God looked, and said - "It won't fly with such a name!"

[nnm]

This is what they wanted to call An 178. True, even at that time they were perplexed by the question of how they were going to fly to Poland on it.
I mean, they have a lot of promises ...

[tihonmarine]

Quote: nnm

True, even at that time they were perplexed by the question of how they were going to fly to Poland on it.

Guest workers to Poland, do not fly by plane.

[Genry]

Anatoly Vovnyarko about the realities of the Ukrainian aircraft industry.

[tihonmarine]

Quote: Genry

Anatoly Vovnyarko about the realities of the Ukrainian aircraft industry.

I especially liked it - "We have a girl there, she is creating the AN-180 project."

[cat Rusich]

Quote: tihonmarine

I especially liked it - "We have a girl there, she is creating the AN-180 project."

"What does it cost us to build an airplane ...
Let's draw - it will fly ... "

[Nexcom]

Is Saudi Arabia aware of this "joint return to the project"?

[APASUS]

It is necessary to place the wing one and a half meters further from the bow. That's all!

- said the general director of the enterprise.

If the Saudi prince had said this, I would have understood him, he is not a techie at all. But this seems to have blurted out the general director of the enterprise. With the weight distribution of the aircraft, in his opinion, nothing will happen?

[Cat Alexandrovich]

Well done non-brothers, it seems that they have talked another sucker! That's just not in the horse food for them is all ...

[Dmitriy444]

Yes, move it 2 meters, just in case for a reserve. Has An-178 already been built in Peru? Now they want to throw the Saudis?

[Nexcom]

Certainly 2 meters. And then when they realize that the centering of the MAR is gone, they will again level the centering with plates. What garbage - just a dead centering load to roll. Although I’m talking about something - it’s still necessary to live before that so that there is something to center. They won’t do it for life - so everything will end with talk.

[TermNachTer]

Why go back there if they didn’t start anything there))) the Arabs stupidly got all the rights to the An - 32, without any obligations on their part. I wonder how else they decided to "divorce" the Banderasts?)))

[Sebastian Aristarkhovich Pereira]

Along the way, the prince went into the factory toilet for small needs, and this was filed as "showing genuine interest in the project" ......

[Evil 55]

Ukraina has some kind of flyer ... The chief president of the cannibalistic state itself appointed the attack on the Russians on February 16, and they were dreaming about airplanes.

[Eug]

Sergey Bychkov is a competent designer with vast experience, and not an "effective manager" (unlike his predecessor), and he probably really knows how the characteristics of the aircraft will change when the wing moves back and in what ways this shift can be compensated (if necessary). It's not just about weight distribution and balancing, the entire KSS will change, as will the characteristics of stability and controllability. As for me, it would be advisable to design a new wing altogether - as the Antonovtsy did for the Chinese Y - 8 (9) - from modern materials and to increase cruising speed, taking into account the displacement of the wing and other engines. For some reason, I am sure that Bychkov will succeed - if, again, "effectively - defective", who want to "master" Arab money, do not intervene ...