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Negotiations in the Normandy format that lasted more than 8 hours turned out to be fruitless

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Negotiations of political advisers in the so-called Normandy format took place in Germany. Russia was represented at these talks by Dmitry Kozak. He commented on the course and results of the negotiations, which lasted more than 8 hours.


Speaking at the final briefing, the Russian representative expressed regret that the negotiations of the Normandy Group ended, in fact, without results. According to Dmitry Kozak, "there are no visible and tangible results."

The Ukrainian side has once again shown its inability to negotiate. She is not going to comply with the Minsk agreements, which in itself suggests that President Zelensky, while still a candidate for the presidency of Ukraine, lied to his own voters, stating that for him, the first step upon taking office, if elected, would be the end of hostilities and shelling in the Donbass. Instead, today about 60% of the personnel of all the armed forces of Ukraine have been sent to Donbass, shelling and provocations continue.

Dmitry Kozak noted that even the final statement after the talks in Berlin could not be agreed upon due to unresolved differences.

According to the Russian representative, the Ukrainian side has again stated that it does not intend to negotiate with Lugansk and Donetsk, although the Minsk agreements stipulate a direct dialogue between Kiev and Donbass.

Kozak noted that during the meeting they tried to find “compromise formulations” for the final text of the statement, but the Ukrainian side rejected them all, emphatically exposing its position that there would be no dialogue with representatives of Donbass. In this regard, the question arises, is it worth it to conduct a dialogue with Ukraine itself, given its complete inability to negotiate?..
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    1. igor67
      igor67 11 February 2022 10: 09
      +7
      Quote: Victor_B
      Kozak noted that during the meeting they tried to find “compromise formulations” for the final text of the statement, but the Ukrainian side rejected them all, emphatically exposing its position that there would be no dialogue with representatives of Donbass.
      The position of Ukraine that has become brazen to the extreme!
      That's what life-giving support from Matrasia does!
      Well, I want to take it so yes ... in general, give it in the face!

      What's the problem then? You have a lot of Ukrainian Bandera in Canada, start
      1. Tatyana
        Tatyana 11 February 2022 13: 44
        0
        I don’t understand only one thing - why don’t we ourselves in Russia speak - don’t draw the attention of the international community - about the GENOCIDE of the STATE forming the Russian people in Ukraine by the Kiev regime of the ethnically non-Russian henchmen of the United States Poroshenko and Zelensky?
        Even on Solovyov's program "Evening with Vladimir Solovyov" and in the program "60 minutes" this issue of GENOCIDE is precisely RUSSIAN bypassed! Namely.

        There is a certain Gordey on these Russian TV shows, a citizen of Ukraine and a participant in the so-called. "experts", whose father is a citizen of the Russian Federation, who lives in Moscow. AND for some reason, Russian opponents will not remind this Gordey, who earns big money on these programs, that the Ukrainian political crisis in Ukraine in the form of a CIVIL war began precisely with the oppression of the Russian people in terms of language and so on in Ukraine itself, which ended with the separation of Crimea from Ukraine and the return of the Crimean peninsula to its native Russia.

        And every time in this matter Gordeya on TV of the Russian Federation, none of the Russian opponents can essentially shut up his Goebbel Russophobic political demagoguery with a RESPONSE "gag"!
        And every time, this Gordey publicly and unrequitedly in Goebbel style continues to spoil the Russians in the soul and in the Kremlin's policy to protect the Russian people in Ukraine from the Ukrofascists of the Bandera-Anglo-Saxon bottling.
        1. Tatyana
          Tatyana 11 February 2022 14: 13
          +1
          Negotiations in the Normandy format that lasted more than 8 hours turned out to be fruitless

          In fact, everything is very simple. Ukraine is now a US colony occupied by Washington. Britain and NATO countries are in the wings of the United States. Namely.

          First of all. The colonial, corrupt-Ukrainian-comprador administration of the United States in Ukraine, represented by the Bandera-Nazi Kiev junta of Poroshenko and Zelensky, has been appointed by Washington since 2014 and serves the national interests of the United States. In this case, Armed Forces of Ukraine reformatted into Russophobic US/NATO occupation forces in Ukraine.
          Therefore, Zelensky and the Armed Forces of Ukraine will do what the United States orders to Kiev, - will fight the Russians to the last Ukrainian and Ukrainian.

          Second. Washington's plans for Ukraine have been known since the time of the electoral race of the fitful H. Clinton for the presidency of the United States, which she, heading the US State Department, lost to Trump.
          According to the plans of the US State Department Washington cleans Ukraine in general from the indigenous population of Ukraine for the resettlement of Americans to the lands of Ukraine from the USA. AND this applies not only to the South-East of Ukraine, but in general to the entire territory of Ukraine.
          At the same time, according to Washington's plan inhabitants in AMERICAN Ukraine - and this together with the Americans (!) - should be no more than 20 million people.
          And Of the 40-45 million native Ukrainians themselves, it is planned to leave 4-5 million А other Ukrainianswho will not be killed in the war and, having survived, will not want to leave Ukraine themselves, the US State Department plans to forcibly relocate to North Africa and the Middle East.

          And at the same time, since nationalism is prohibited in the United States itself, then for the same Ukrainian Bandero-Nazis to live in AMERICAN Ukraine, too, there is no place for permanent residence at all!
        2. Egor53
          Egor53 12 February 2022 16: 14
          0
          Dear Tatiana!
          Gordey in Solovyov's programs is shown as an animal in a cage. They also show Vasyl Vakarov, and earlier Kovtun.
          There is no need to shut up these freaks, let them demonstrate their bestial essence.
          1. Tatyana
            Tatyana 12 February 2022 17: 44
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            Quote: Egor53
            There is no need to shut up these freaks, let them demonstrate their bestial essence.

            And who will give a competent rebuff to them on a TV show?

            The ban on the Russian language in Ukraine means ONE thing - an attempt by people of NON-RUSSIAN nationality who came to power in the country, REMOVE the Russian people from its equal participation with the peoples of other nationalities in Ukraine to participate in the division of public public ownership of the means of production and land in favor of representatives of the so-called. "titular nationality" of the nationalizing petty-bourgeois national minorities from the former tsarist outskirts.
            And this is GENOCIDE OF THE RUSSIAN PEOPLE on the part of the illegitimate fascist regime of Kiev, established in Ukraine, Bandera-Nazis from Western Ukraine!

            This is exactly what - the GENOCIDE of the Russian people in Ukraine, starting with the ban on the Russian language - is the PRIMARY CAUSE of the CIVIL WAR in the South-East and the withdrawal of Crimea to the Russian Federation and, and not vice versa!
            And let the pro-American Russophobe - the Ukrainian Nazi Gordey, with his propaganda accusations against Russia, shut up! The organizers of the program also pay money to this enemy on Russian TV for his political vulgarity!
  2. rotmistr60
    rotmistr60 11 February 2022 06: 12
    +29
    Negotiations in the Normandy format that lasted more than 8 hours turned out to be fruitless
    This has been going on for almost 8 years. Ukraine was not going to initially, and even more so, will not fulfill any agreements now. Under the slogan "The whole world is with us" they sabotaged and will continue to sabotage. Negotiations would bring results if the APU was again in the boilers. It was then that the entire "consolidated" Western world and Ukraine itself immediately remembered the agreements concluded and began to call for peace in unison. But what we have, we have. The West both supported the blood-sucker country and supports it by increasing the supply of weapons and becoming even more active on the information front.
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  3. Lech from Android.
    Lech from Android. 11 February 2022 06: 15
    +13
    A typical Gordian knot of irreconcilable contradictions... according to ancient myths, it must be cut...we are waiting for the hero who will do it. what
    1. Avior
      Avior 11 February 2022 06: 33
      +7
      The Gordian knot is such a commercial project to attract curious people to the temple, and to Phrygia in general, and, consequently, financial resources.
      The unreasonable decision of Alexander deprived the ancient temple of a source of income; his waving a saber had no other consequences. And the money for the maintenance of the temple was needed, a religious building all the same: ((
      So the solution to the node problem was more effective than effective.
      1. Lech from Android.
        Lech from Android. 11 February 2022 06: 51
        +1
        Everything is so ... but the Minsk agreements are a stalemate ... either one of the parties must declare itself the losing side ... no one wants to do this.
        What's the way out?
        I think a new game will be played or it is already being played (to use the language of chess).
        Politicians behave exactly like in chess... which is what we are seeing now.
        1. Avior
          Avior 11 February 2022 07: 27
          +3
          The problem is not so much in the agreements themselves, but in the fact that no one can offer anything real in return for these agreements. Dead end.
        2. Sanichsan
          Sanichsan 11 February 2022 10: 12
          +2
          Quote: Lech from Android.
          Everything is so ... but the Minsk agreements are a stalemate ... either one of the parties must declare itself the losing side ... no one wants to do this.

          you did not confuse anything? we are talking about a signed document and about compliance with what was signed. what are the losers?
          1. Lech from Android.
            Lech from Android. 11 February 2022 11: 06
            +2
            Nothing ... Ukrainian radicals want to make promises, and then hang and hang people who disagree with them in the LDNR.
            So it's a matter of life and death.
            We need firm guarantees that Kiev will fulfill its obligations.
            1. Sanichsan
              Sanichsan 11 February 2022 11: 20
              0
              what the Ukrov radicals want is Ze’s personal problem and their Wishlist does not appear anywhere in the negotiations, and even more so in the Minsk agreements. at the diplomatic level, it is Minsk 2 that is being discussed. and yes, at the time of signing Minsk 2, these same radicals lost everything they could, in connection with which they were forced to sign this agreement. request so the stalemate of the situation here is rather that Ukraine cannot comply with Minsk because of the radicals, but it also cannot refuse because it will demonstrate a refusal to resolve the problem peacefully. request
              Quote: Lech from Android.
              So it's a matter of life and death.

              since the signing of Minsk, the issue is no longer hi these are convulsions.
            2. Egor53
              Egor53 12 February 2022 16: 25
              0
              The fulfillment by Kiev of its obligations can only be guaranteed by force of arms. Ukrainians do not understand another language.
          2. Avior
            Avior 11 February 2022 23: 16
            -3
            agreements are written so vaguely that they are interpreted differently by different parties
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              1. Avior
                Avior 11 February 2022 23: 28
                -2
                For example, holding elections according to Ukrainian laws.
                1. Repellent
                  Repellent 12 February 2022 00: 14
                  +3
                  Quote: Avior
                  For example, holding elections according to Ukrainian laws

                  You forgot to add - according to greatly improved Ukrainian laws:


                  9. ... local elections in certain areas of Donetsk and Lugansk regions on the basis of the Law of Ukraine and constitutional reform...
                  11. Carrying out constitutional reform in Ukraine with the entry into force by the end of 2015 of a new constitution, which assumes decentralization as a key element (taking into account the characteristics of certain regions of the Donetsk and Lugansk regions, agreed with representatives of these regions), as well as the adoption of permanent legislation on the special status of certain areas of the Donetsk and Lugansk regions in accordance with the measures indicated in note 1until the end of 2015.

                  Appendix 1 - it's just a bad dream for the Ukrainian government yes
                  And what exactly is "blurred" here?
                  1. Avior
                    Avior 12 February 2022 00: 40
                    -3
                    Most of the items are blurry and jumbled together. There are no clear details of what the constitutional reform should be, only a few general phrases, and in such documents any comma matters.
                    It is not clear with whom to discuss it - "agreed with representatives of these districts" - are the representatives who are now or those who are after the elections in accordance with the Minsk agreements? As you know, Zakharchenko and Plotnitsky appeared in the documents in the Minsk Agreement as private individuals, and not representatives of the republics. The current leaders do not appear there at all. That is, formally, it is necessary to discuss before the elections, but in fact, before the elections, there is no one to discuss with, it is necessary after the elections.
                    At what stage should the elections take place? This is not clearly stated. In the Minsk agreements, they go under number 12 - this is the penultimate point.
                    12. ....The elections will be held in compliance with the relevant OSCE standards and monitored by the OSCE/ODIHR.

                    But at the same time, the stage at which the elections should take place is not clearly indicated, which introduces confusion. for instance
                    9. Restoration of full control over the state border by the government of Ukraine in the entire conflict zone, which should begin on the first day after local elections and be completed after a comprehensive political settlement

                    So which of the items comes first, 9 or 12?
                    Or here's another
                    full control over the state border

                    full control is incomprehensible, since the elections are 12 points, and this is 9.
                    And if there is incomplete control to ensure elections under Ukrainian law in accordance with paragraph 4, what is Ukraine insisting on now?
                    And it's full of it. For example, it is assumed that the Verkhovna Rada will adopt a law, but the Verkhovna Rada is a collegiate body, and if it adopts it in such a form that it does not suit the other side, especially since there is no one to discuss it with before the elections? The Minsk agreements do not provide an answer to this question.
                    On the knee, hastily written papers give a large number of discrepancies by the parties. And there are no new ideas that can be adopted instead of them, or clarified, not even proposals. Dead end.:((
                    1. Repellent
                      Repellent 12 February 2022 01: 04
                      +4
                      Sergey, it seems to me that you hit ...

                      Quote: Avior
                      That is, formally, you need to discuss before the elections, but in fact, before the elections, there is no one to discuss with

                      Oh well ... it is necessary to discuss before the elections, with those who are at the moment.

                      Quote: Avior
                      Which item comes first, 9 or 12?

                      Elections first. Then the "comprehensive settlement", and finally - the coveted "border control". Everything, as in the document.

                      Quote: Avior
                      And if there is incomplete control to ensure elections under Ukrainian law in accordance with paragraph 4, what is Ukraine insisting on now?

                      laughing

                      It's simple: first constitutional reform, then elections under a new law, then border control.

                      Everything else is rotten excuses laughing

                      Quote: Avior
                      it is supposed that the Verkhovna Rada will adopt the law, but the Verkhovna Rada is a collegiate body, and if it adopts it in such a form that it does not suit the other side...

                      9. Restoration of full control over the state border by the government of Ukraine throughout the conflict zone, which should begin on the first day after local elections and be completed after a comprehensive political settlement (local elections in certain areas of Donetsk and Luhansk regions based on the Law of Ukraine and constitutional reform) by the end of 2015, subject to paragraph 11 – in consultations and in agreement with representatives of certain districts of Donetsk and Lugansk regions within the framework of the Trilateral Contact Group

                      After the approvals, I assure you, everything will suit everyone.

                      Quote: Avior
                      especially since there is no one to discuss it with before the elections?

                      This is also a rotten excuse yes

                      Quote: Avior
                      On the knee, hastily written papers give a large number of discrepancies by the parties

                      Let's just say: there are attempts to read them somehow differently. Well, this is understandable - to fulfill the "Minsk" - to get federal Ukraine. And I don't really want this...
                      1. Avior
                        Avior 12 February 2022 01: 35
                        -1
                        Everything, as I wrote, each side sees these agreements in its own way.
                        you write the way you want to see it.
                        And I soberly look at what was written and understand that in the form in which they were written, this is a dead end. :((
                        Do you want to prove that you are right? So we have a different view - I want this problem to be resolved and relations between Russians and Ukrainians to be friendly, as they should be.
                        with those who are at this moment.

                        try to find it in these Minsk agreements. There, even Zakharov and Plotnitsky were not listed as representatives, moreover, there is not a word about the republics - special regions.
                        Elections first. Then the "comprehensive settlement", and finally - the coveted "border control". Everything, as in the document.

                        subject to the item 11

                        And in the document, elections are the 12th point, the penultimate one.
                        They undertook to write agreements, it was necessary to write clearly and unambiguously, and not the mess that they stuck :(.
                        Given that you are simply ignoring facts that are inconvenient for you, I see no point in discussing this with you.
                        hi
                      2. Repellent
                        Repellent 12 February 2022 01: 40
                        +4
                        Quote: Avior
                        And in the document, elections are 12 points, penultimate

                        These are excuses. The document contains references to this paragraph, from which it is clear what is done first and what is next.

                        The document is not a step-by-step instruction, do not confuse.

                        Quote: Avior
                        try to find it in these Minsk agreements. There, even Zakharov and Plotnitsky were not listed as representatives, moreover, there is not a word about the republics - special areas

                        This, I repeat, is an excuse. Rotten.

                        It is clear from the context what is meant. And from there it is also clear that if the discussion precedes the elections, then it should be conducted with those representatives that are at the moment.

                        "L" - logic.

                        Quote: Avior
                        Given that you are simply ignoring facts that are inconvenient for you, I see no point in discussing this with you.

                        Well, I said - "you hit." I do not insist on further discussion, be hi
                      3. Avior
                        Avior 12 February 2022 01: 44
                        -1
                        It is clear from the context what is meant. And from there it's clear

                        how easy it is for you to understand. the fact that this was not explicitly written down in the agreement, without indicating who Zakharchenko and Plotnitsky represent, you easily discarded and pretended that there was no such thing.
                        I don't see what to discuss with you.
                        I want peace between Russians and Ukrainians, but as far as I understand, this is the last thing you are interested in: ((
                      4. Repellent
                        Repellent 12 February 2022 01: 51
                        +4
                        Quote: Avior
                        I want peace between Russians and Ukrainians

                        Well, so far no one seems to be fighting. And, according to Putin, Russia is not going to attack Ukraine. Things are good yes

                        Quote: Avior
                        as far as I understand, this is the last thing you are interested in

                        You misunderstand. Don't worry though, that's not the only thing you get wrong.
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      2. The leader of the Redskins
        The leader of the Redskins 11 February 2022 08: 04
        +4
        Lavrov's dialogue did not work out ...
        Kozak didn't have a dialogue...
        Apparently, while our politicians were drawing some kind of mythical "red lines", they built a blank wall on the other side, which you can't break through with your forehead ...
        1. Sanichsan
          Sanichsan 11 February 2022 10: 24
          0
          Quote: Leader of the Redskins
          Apparently, while our politicians were drawing some kind of mythical "red lines", they built a blank wall on the other side, which you can't break through with your forehead ...

          the Ministry of Defense has engineering means to overcome blank walls wink
      3. Sanichsan
        Sanichsan 11 February 2022 10: 23
        0
        Quote: Avior
        The Gordian knot is such a commercial project to attract curious people to the temple, and to Phrygia in general, and, consequently, financial resources.

        Well, if the well-being of the temple (Ukraine) is based on the presence of a node, then Ukraine has big problems. Alexander (Putin) has already prepared a sword and intends to cut the knot (to solve the problem of Donbass and ensure the safety of Russian citizens) and, apparently, he is not interested in the financial problems of the temple (Ukraine) request
        By the way, what is supposed to be done in Ukraine after the loss of Donbass? the war with the aggressor is lost. What is the next economic crisis to blame? under what loans to take?
        1. The leader of the Redskins
          The leader of the Redskins 11 February 2022 12: 55
          +1
          Eight years...
          Isn't the swing too long? Yes, and they warned "Alexander" - you stick your head in the temple - the throne will stagger ....
          1. Sanichsan
            Sanichsan 11 February 2022 13: 36
            -4
            Quote: Leader of the Redskins
            Eight years...

            Did I write that there are no questions for "Alexander"? Yes, there are objective reasons why this was not done 8 years ago, however, there were certainly solutions to these problems ... but it was done as it was done. request
            Quote: Leader of the Redskins
            Yes, and they warned "Alexander" - you stick your head in the temple - the throne will stagger ....

            oh i beg you wassat this song about the reeling of the throne has been heard for many years, and Putin is something regularly elected for a second term. Do you seriously believe that now in the West everyone will run to confiscate Putin's secret accounts? which time already? Well, now it’s for sure that everything will be taken away and the swift will be turned off! wassat or are you counting on the domestic intelligentsia in the person of German patients and horses? belay
            1. The leader of the Redskins
              The leader of the Redskins 11 February 2022 14: 59
              +1
              So I'm not talking about the throne exactly. Also, figuratively written. Well, he was hinted that both personal and family assets could be covered up. And this is already, straight, a slap in the face.
              Maybe not sick, but so offensive... In the political world.
              1. Sanichsan
                Sanichsan 11 February 2022 16: 09
                -2
                Quote: Leader of the Redskins
                Well, he was hinted that both personal and family assets could be covered up. And this is already, straight, a slap in the face.

                Well, they were going to cover up his assets back in 2014, and how did it end? fantasies of journalists on the topic of how much they would steal if they were in Putin's place ... funny lol and even if that Putin can easily start to arrest foreign assets here in Russia. it’s like a story about an offended Livonian (Novgorod-Livonian War) who demanded that Novgorod merchants be arrested in Riga, for which he was sent by the forest because there were 10 Novgorodians in Riga, and in Novgorod Riga and Livonian merchants under 50. wink
                Imagine that Putin will arrest the property of the Queen of England in Moscow! this really will shake the throne, but not with Putin wink
                the problem of the West is that all the dirty tricks that they could do without harm to themselves or with little harm, everything has already been done. Now, either puff out your cheeks without causing real harm to Putin and his entourage, or stepping on your own causal place to harm Putin.
                I think that they will shout loudly at the public, and behind the scenes they will decide how to disperse without serious reputational losses. request
                although if the movement with the ultimatum is really serious, and not zilch, then they may not disperse bully will see hi drinks
                1. Avior
                  Avior 11 February 2022 23: 51
                  0
                  Putin could easily start seizing foreign assets here in Russia.

                  If it were that easy, they would have been arrested long ago.
                  If you start doing this, then assets and investments will quickly be withdrawn - and this is a jump in inflation and a sharp drop in the ruble exchange rate, and no one needs this.
          2. Eug
            Eug 12 February 2022 09: 18
            0
            Eight years...
            Gone to try to "untie" the knot...
  4. jonht
    jonht 11 February 2022 06: 20
    +11
    For me, it’s not just that they’ve just dug a hole for themselves, they’re also pouring a mound next to it, so that it would be more convenient to fall asleep .... They live by the principle of snatching now, and then at least the grass doesn’t grow .... I wanted to write "it's a pity for the people" , but here they chose this path for themselves. After all, no one drove them at him at gunpoint. request
    1. NDR-791
      NDR-791 11 February 2022 06: 28
      +14
      Quote: jonht
      After all, no one drove them at him at gunpoint.

      At the end of the year, at the end of the year, I asked such a question to the Ukrainians present here then. They answered me (almost verbatim) - "Well, we didn't know that it would end like this." And right when they fought with Berkut on the Maidan, an acquaintance came from there (he lives near Kiev). He immediately said - "Everything is bad with us, but it will be even worse." So it wasn't even a war. So who did not see, and who is older understood everything.
      1. jonht
        jonht 11 February 2022 06: 34
        +5
        I know that there are the same acquaintances, but they themselves did NOTHING, and they chose (if they chose) what they “twirl” (rule) the same themselves.
    2. UPS
      UPS 11 February 2022 07: 29
      +1
      So nae ... They deceived the people.
      1. SKVichyakow
        SKVichyakow 11 February 2022 10: 57
        0
        Quote: USV
        So nae ... They deceived the people.

        They are happy to be deceived, because the main thing for them is to do nothing to correct the situation. Until the United States and the government are taken out of Ukraine, everything will be so, but on the rise.
  5. NDR-791
    NDR-791 11 February 2022 06: 20
    +14
    In this regard, the question arises, is it worth it to conduct a dialogue with Ukraine itself, given its complete inability to negotiate?..

    Lavrov spoke very revealingly yesterday on the subject of the Budapest Treaty and commitments. And the Unnamed with Macron about the legitimacy of the independent government also walked. Against the background of his words that in the 14th government did not exist ... it sounded quite ominous. Now Kozak is talking about the same thing ... In short, I feel that extreme surprises await. Such words can lead to a sharp turn.
    1. Fedor M
      Fedor M 11 February 2022 06: 34
      +7
      Lavrov subtly "lowered" Trass with the Voronezh region))))
      1. NDR-791
        NDR-791 11 February 2022 06: 38
        +1
        Quote: Fedor M
        Lavrov subtly "lowered" Trass with the Voronezh region))))

        And she happily agreed. wassat . Although, looking at her dead face, I assumed that with such raids she assumed that for such conversations she would immediately be put in the cellars of GePeU. negative
  6. samarin1969
    samarin1969 11 February 2022 06: 22
    +3
    In this regard, the question arises, is it worth it to conduct a dialogue with Ukraine itself, given its complete inability to negotiate?..

    Yes, the question does not "arise", but "burns" since 2016, when the illusions about "Minsk" melted away.
    It's just that the leadership of the Russian Federation is not able to offer something intelligible to the people of Donbass. Cossack and K have a simple strategy: "play for time."
    1. Dimy4
      Dimy4 11 February 2022 08: 04
      -2
      It's just that the leadership of the Russian Federation is not able to offer something intelligible to the people of Donbass. Cossack and K have a simple strategy: "play for time."

      Yes, yes, play for time, tighten your belts, accumulate fat, etc.
    2. The leader of the Redskins
      The leader of the Redskins 11 February 2022 08: 14
      +6
      The West, unlike our loud-speaking politicians, outlined everything some options for response actions in the event of the introduction of Russian forces into the territory of U.
      And the rhetoric quickly changed - there are no longer words about a decisive response, but at all levels they say that Russia is not going to attack U..
      Now, as I understand it, the last clarifications - Will the Russian Federation consider Donbass as territory belonging to U.? (That's exactly what the great Pu said.)
      If so, then there can be no talk of any forceful decision - interference in the affairs of a neighboring state, aggression.
      Another person of our politics. Or HSP led to the wrong denominator.
  7. Avior
    Avior 11 February 2022 06: 23
    0
    Sadly, the situation seems to be at an impasse.
    The parties accuse each other of refusing to implement the Minsk agreements, which they see differently, and there is no way out of the situation: (((
    1. Fedor M
      Fedor M 11 February 2022 06: 31
      +1
      Yes you?! Where are Russia and Great Britain in the Minsk agreements???
      1. Avior
        Avior 11 February 2022 06: 35
        +1
        Did you read the article? Or immediately rushed to comment?
        1. Fedor M
          Fedor M 11 February 2022 18: 56
          0
          My post is a reply to a comment. not to the article.
          1. Avior
            Avior 11 February 2022 22: 59
            -1
            And so out of place.
            1. Fedor M
              Fedor M 12 February 2022 06: 07
              0
              "The parties accuse each other of refusing to comply with the Minsk agreements" - these are your words, Russia and the UK are also parties to the negotiations
              1. Avior
                Avior 12 February 2022 10: 29
                -1
                The UK did not participate in the Minsk agreements. Only France, Germany, Russia and Ukraine.
            2. Fedor M
              Fedor M 12 February 2022 06: 09
              0
              And forget about Ukraine as a side, they have already said about this agreement. They are no longer a side, but an object of tension, and everything has already been decided for it and will be exchanged if something happens
    2. NKT
      NKT 11 February 2022 10: 12
      +1
      And why look at them when you just need to read the points and follow them? And do not try to move paragraph, for example, 9 to the place of paragraph 1. Why did Poroshenko sign this agreement?
      The very approach of Ukraine to the Crimea and Donbass is surprising. They do everything in spite of the people who live there, although in words they consider it theirs.
      1. Avior
        Avior 12 February 2022 10: 32
        0
        The problem is that elections are dealt with in paragraph 12, this is the penultimate paragraph.
  8. TerraSandera
    TerraSandera 11 February 2022 06: 28
    -1
    Kozak is the captain of evidence. It has long been clear to everyone that these negotiations, about the Minsk conspiracy and others, do not lead to anything. And here, in principle, we can say thank you to Ukraine and America. (Because they do not agree to these conditions) T. K, the defeated and utterly defeated Armed Forces of Ukraine with their defeat brought more than the winners, the LDNR and the Russian Federation, to the residents of Donbass. The Minsk conspiracy, Russia's attempt to stick the rebellious region back into the Ukrainian field of influence. But alas, even such good conditions, presented by the winners to the vanquished, were not needed, alas. Because, in principle, the goal of all this is not to return the Donbass or the world to Ukraine. The goal, further through this, is to hammer Russia, with sanctions, information and other methods.
  9. Fedor M
    Fedor M 11 February 2022 06: 29
    0
    The West takes us to show off, they are afraid of Russia, they are afraid to fight with us. We need to not "twitch" and stand on our own. And most importantly, be prepared for provocation. And neutralize it in a matter of minutes.
  10. Sergey39
    Sergey39 11 February 2022 06: 31
    +2
    From all this verbiage, only one fable of Krylov emerges, and things are still there. (((
  11. Tank jacket
    Tank jacket 11 February 2022 06: 40
    -3
    Schenevmerliki went against Biden... Bidon said that the Americans would not fight the Russians.
  12. Thrifty
    Thrifty 11 February 2022 06: 41
    0
    As if someone naively hoped that the Ukrainian pseudo-authority would fulfill these Minsk agreements!!! fool fool
  13. tralflot1832
    tralflot1832 11 February 2022 06: 51
    -3
    The whole problem is that Germany and France consider us a party to the conflict. When asked where this is reflected in the Minsk agreements, only an incomprehensible lowing is answered. It doesn’t reach them, this is not a computer shooter, everyone and Europe will also get large puddles. We will not retreat, which is not clear.
    1. Avior
      Avior 11 February 2022 07: 34
      +1
      The Minsk agreements do not say at all who are the parties to the conflict.
      1. tralflot1832
        tralflot1832 11 February 2022 07: 47
        -2
        You will explain to Ze and his Western friends.
        1. Avior
          Avior 11 February 2022 23: 22
          0
          I draw your attention
          When asked where this is reflected in the Minsk agreements, only an unintelligible lowing was answered.
    2. Dimy4
      Dimy4 11 February 2022 08: 15
      0
      The whole problem is that Germany and France consider us a party to the conflict

      It is they who are making efforts to present the situation in such a way that it is as if a fact, an axiom, no matter how it is reflected, it is not reflected somewhere. And we are constantly forced to remind them that we are not a party to the conflict, and they are trying to achieve this, they will soon demand excuses.
      1. tralflot1832
        tralflot1832 11 February 2022 08: 34
        0
        The US representative to the UN generally demanded that our troops be withdrawn from Crimea.
  14. aszzz888
    aszzz888 11 February 2022 07: 02
    +2
    In this regard, the question arises, is it worth it to conduct a dialogue with Ukraine itself, given its complete inability to negotiate?..
    And this "question" arises, I believe, in 100% of normal people.
  15. aszzz888
    aszzz888 11 February 2022 07: 02
    0
    In this regard, the question arises, is it worth it to conduct a dialogue with Ukraine itself, given its complete inability to negotiate?..
    And this "question" arises, I believe, in 100% of normal people.
  16. Pavel73
    Pavel73 11 February 2022 07: 05
    +2
    Until England and the United States leave Ukraine alone, there will be no new Khasavyurt. It was Russia that was independent enough to take such a difficult step. This will not be allowed. They benefit from someone else's fight.
  17. Vavilov
    Vavilov 11 February 2022 09: 08
    -4
    “There are no visible and tangible results.”

    What visible results do you want to see? in order to see them, you need to talk not with the Ukrainians, but with their owners, and not drag the equipment back and forth along your borders, but at the borders of the adversaries who are arming and pushing, a cheap performance is being played out and the masses of couch warriors, on both sides, participate in it
  18. comradChe
    comradChe 11 February 2022 09: 58
    -4
    Well, well, an "oil painting": a goat (rather a goat) was tied to a peg in the center of a clearing, vultures sat in the trees around, hyenas with jackals hid in the bushes in anticipation. Everyone is waiting for the predator to jump. After all, the size of the share that they will get will depend on his strength.
    And in the 14th, everything could be taken whole and without too much blood. But the “strategist with partners” was very frightened of the flood of the “Russian Spring” and went to direct betrayal. Now it's just a December thaw. EBN turned out to be a worthy receiver, eprst!
  19. Andrei Nikolaevich
    Andrei Nikolaevich 11 February 2022 10: 17
    0
    Did the Kremlin not know who they were dealing with? It's a pity. Sooner or later, you will have to move away from the patterns, brotherly people,,. For it was the fraternal people who chose the current Ukrainian government. Indecisiveness and half-measures will lead to disaster. I do not call for war, but it is time to stop all cooperation and the supply of energy carriers (and Belarus). More confidence.
  20. Berg berg
    Berg berg 11 February 2022 11: 46
    0
    Not fruitless, but empty!
  21. iouris
    iouris 11 February 2022 12: 04
    0
    The parties are pursuing too different goals: one side wants to completely destroy the enemy and hold a parade on Red Square, while the other cannot agree with this yet. That's why he negotiates.
  22. svoit
    svoit 11 February 2022 12: 53
    -1
    .According to Dmitry Kozak, "there are no visible and tangible results."
    but it doesn’t matter whether Ukraine fulfills them or not, there will still be no sanctions, the status quo is beneficial for Russia and it will not impose any sanctions either, supplying the Armed Forces of Ukraine with strategic materials in a timely manner
  23. ERsytype
    ERsytype 11 February 2022 13: 48
    -2
    In general, it is obvious that these meetings go just like that. That the Ukrainian side, that Kozak turn on the fool and begin to babble something about incompatibility.
    Although it is obvious that in reality this will all be decided only after certain agreements between the United States and the Russian Federation.
    And the author of the article, as always, spun a whole bunch of gag, in the best traditions of the opinion of the party.
  24. Living7111972
    Living7111972 12 February 2022 16: 13
    0
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