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American observer: In the event of the outbreak of hostilities, the military aviation of Ukraine will be almost immediately destroyed by the Russian Aerospace Forces

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The most combat-ready part of the military aviation Ukraine is considered the 831st tactical aviation brigade, based in the city of Mirgorod, Poltava region and consisting of two Su-27 squadrons. Now its pilots are intensively preparing for war with Russia. American expert David Ax writes about this in Forbes magazine, for whom the subject of a "possible war in Ukraine" has become almost the most basic in recent months.


In his opinion, in the event of the outbreak of hostilities, the military aviation of Ukraine will be almost immediately destroyed by the Russian Aerospace Forces. The Ukrainian Air Force has only 71 fighters in its arsenal, and even then less than half of them are combat-ready. Only they can provide hundreds of Russian combat aircraft with at least some resistance. Therefore, the United States believes that the Ukrainian Air Force will not be able to fight, because the Kiev authorities will not risk their Air Force, which they are able to lose in a collision with the numerically predominant Russian military aviation, which is also equipped with more modern aircraft.

The American observer is sure that the Ukrainian Air Force, whose most likely adversary is the Russian Aerospace Forces, shows its hopeless lag behind them. They are not capable of defeating Russian fighters in air battles, since the Russian Aerospace Forces have an advantage not only in numbers, but also in weapons. In particular, we are talking about the possibility of using long-range air-to-air missiles and modern electronic countermeasure systems. At the same time, Ukraine's fighter aircraft should not be completely written off. Indeed, although its Su-27s were created back in the USSR, they are equipped with radars with a range of up to 100 kilometers and quite effective R-27 aviation missiles, which are still used in the Russian Federation.
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  1. rocket757
    rocket757 7 February 2022 10: 24
    +14
    American observer: In the event of the outbreak of hostilities, the military aviation of Ukraine will be almost immediately destroyed by the Russian Aerospace Forces
    And what, this someone did not know, did not understand?
    Opened ameriGu, t.s.
    1. usr01
      usr01 7 February 2022 11: 30
      +2
      "... the military aviation of Ukraine will be destroyed almost immediately ..."
      This is what they didn’t finish at 14 ...
      (I almost drank myself then ... I came home to my wife too - Where is my 100 grams for a shot down ???) wink Almost every day ... Or even two pieces ...
      1. TermNachTer
        TermNachTer 7 February 2022 13: 24
        +7
        the liver must be protected - it is not state-owned)))
    2. Lionnvrsk
      Lionnvrsk 7 February 2022 15: 48
      +4
      Quote: rocket757
      American observer: In the event of the outbreak of hostilities, the military aviation of Ukraine will be almost immediately destroyed by the Russian Aerospace Forces
      And what, this someone did not know, did not understand?
      Opened ameriGu, t.s.

      They just really want to pit the Slavs against each other, they are ready to jump out of their underpants! yes
      1. rocket757
        rocket757 7 February 2022 16: 42
        +2
        Everything is like in the textbook ... divide and bleed, and then you can master it.
        1. Vladimir Mashkov
          Vladimir Mashkov 8 February 2022 20: 24
          +1
          Ukrainian aviation has a great chance of surviving. If it doesn't take off! lol
          1. hwostatij
            hwostatij 12 February 2022 08: 40
            -1
            Only if you dig it deeper so that the missiles do not get it.
  2. dimy44
    dimy44 7 February 2022 10: 26
    +12
    71 fighters, more than half are donors of spare parts. In what condition was their equipment visible in the 14th year, when their rubbish was given to them from the Crimea.
    1. Hagalaz
      Hagalaz 7 February 2022 11: 18
      +3
      And what were they thinking? If it was supposed to fight with Russia almost from the moment it left the USSR. And certainly after 08.08.08, they shouted that they were next. Greed is everything. And hope for the Americans.
  3. AUL
    AUL 7 February 2022 10: 27
    +8
    American expert David Ax, for whom the topic of "a possible war in Ukraine" has become almost the most basic in recent months.
    As already got these expert reviewers!
  4. kamarada
    kamarada 7 February 2022 10: 33
    +14
    On the territory of Banderstan, even without the start of hostilities, it is necessary to destroy all aviation. All warehouses and bases of militants. And also everything that, at least somehow, directly or indirectly, can threaten Russia or its citizens. This is what states that respect their security do.
    1. jovanni
      jovanni 7 February 2022 11: 41
      +1
      Quote: Kamarada
      On the territory of Banderstan, even without the start of hostilities, it is necessary to destroy all aviation. All warehouses and bases of militants. And also everything that, at least somehow, directly or indirectly, can threaten Russia or its citizens. This is what states that respect their security do.

      Yes, let Petrov and Bashirov pour sugar into kerosene, and no one will fly. And he won't go. They don’t even need business trips abroad, everything can be done on Russian territory. We continue to supply fuel and lubricants to Banderlogs! Well, or you can go to Belarus to the extreme ...
      1. Nyrobsky
        Nyrobsky 7 February 2022 11: 55
        0
        Quote: Jovanni
        We continue to supply fuel and lubricants to Banderlogs!

        Yes, it seems like they closed this shop. Banderlogs are already starting to whine that there is not enough fuel and lubricants for tanks. Only one thing is not clear why they did not do this before?
        1. Alex777
          Alex777 7 February 2022 13: 14
          +1
          Quote: Nyrobsky
          Only one thing is not clear why they did not do this before?

          Bandera has no time to create new channels for the supply of fuel and lubricants.
          Everything was done right. Retained the ability to "turn off the gas."
          Nice spoon for dinner. Especially if you're not going to fight. hi
    2. Grits
      Grits 7 February 2022 13: 35
      0
      Quote: Kamarada
      This is what states that respect their security do.

      Only Israel does this. But I think we need to learn from their experience.
    3. NetKeys
      NetKeys 8 February 2022 06: 40
      0
      as well as Polish, Baltic, Scandinavian mercenaries, American instructors.
  5. Ingvar7401
    Ingvar7401 7 February 2022 10: 35
    +6
    Brigade... 2 squadrons? Strange staff.
    1. bober1982
      bober1982 7 February 2022 11: 13
      +5
      Quote: Ingvar7401
      Strange staff.

      Everything is fashionable with them, they renamed the regiments into brigades and now brigadier generals command, it also sounds fashionable, in a Western manner.
    2. TermNachTer
      TermNachTer 7 February 2022 13: 26
      0
      If we subtract from these two squadrons those that are "registered by the state", then there will be even less. In Banderland, they generally love beautiful and scary names))) - the reserve battalion of the DUK PS - 20 degenerates)))
    3. sanya_sergant
      sanya_sergant 7 February 2022 15: 08
      +6
      Quote: Ingvar7401
      Brigade... 2 squadrons? Strange staff.

      Each "squadron" has 2 aircraft ...
      1. Nexcom
        Nexcom 7 February 2022 16: 43
        0
        Which crush concrete in anticipation of spare parts
    4. Pipa Suriname
      Pipa Suriname 8 February 2022 11: 25
      0
      There are only 17 aircraft alive in this brigade and that's it ... there won't even be two squadrons.
  6. Avior
    Avior 7 February 2022 10: 36
    -1
    Therefore, the United States believes that the Ukrainian Air Force will not be able to fight, because the Kiev authorities will not risk their Air Force

    Quite a logical conclusion. From the logic of recent conflicts, Ukrainian aviation, like Iraqi aviation in Iran at one time, its combat-ready part will either immediately move to Poland or be located so close to the border that striking it will be fraught with hitting Poles or Americans on its territory. Similarly, it will certainly be with part of the base of other parts of the armed forces. According to the logic of the supply of weapons to Ukraine in recent times, the Ukrainian army is clearly preparing for semi-partisan actions, and it will be difficult to use aviation - Ukraine is not Syria with its deserts and bare sands and rare buildings. Especially Eastern Ukraine with high population density and large cities.
    1. Nyrobsky
      Nyrobsky 7 February 2022 12: 18
      +1
      Quote: Avior
      Quite a logical conclusion. From the logic of recent conflicts, Ukrainian aviation, like Iraqi aviation in Iran at one time, its combat-ready part will either immediately move to Poland or be located so close to the border that striking it will be fraught with hitting Poles or Americans on its territory.

      If the planes, for the purpose of preservation, are withdrawn to Poland and stay there without participating in b / actions against Russia (if, of course, this scenario takes place), then nothing threatens them, but if they make sorties from the territory of Poland, then you can be sure that the pill will also arrive at the airfield in Poland, since in this case it will be considered that it is taking part in the war with Russia, and therefore it will not matter who will fall under the distribution there along the way. It's as clear as daylight. request
      1. kostavit
        kostavit 7 February 2022 12: 59
        -6
        Do not care in this case will not. Think with your head. Yes, and it won't come to that.
        1. Nyrobsky
          Nyrobsky 7 February 2022 14: 25
          +3
          Quote: kostavit
          Do not care in this case will not. Think with your head. Yes, and it won't come to that.
          Whether it will reach or not reach the point, I indicated this in my comment. Justify what can prevent Russia from striking the infrastructure that is used against the Russian armed forces during the war? Knowing this, most likely the Poles themselves will not allow Ukraine to use their territory for other purposes not related to the temporary storage of withdrawn aircraft.
      2. Avior
        Avior 7 February 2022 16: 37
        -1
        In the war with Russia, no.
        But there will be a permanent base for action against a possible pro-Russian government in Ukraine.
        And this applies not only to aviation.
        It is clear that no one will attack Poland, especially when the Americans are there
        1. Nyrobsky
          Nyrobsky 7 February 2022 16: 54
          0
          Quote: Avior
          In the war with Russia, no.
          But there will be a permanent base for action against a possible pro-Russian government in Ukraine.
          And this applies not only to aviation.
          It is clear that no one will attack Poland, especially when the Americans are there

          So, in principle, I do not deny that the territory of Poland can be used to deploy aviation and other means and units of Ukraine that will go over to the other side in the event of a military conflict, as well as the fact that they will not be hit if they are not to act against the military forces of Russia by military means. At the same time, if the facts of carrying out b / actions from this territory are recorded, then measures of retaliatory military influence will be applied against it, without a doubt.
    2. Liam
      Liam 7 February 2022 18: 56
      -6
      Quote: Avior
      Quite a logical conclusion.

      Not really
      Quote: Avior
      as at one time Iraqi to Iran

      The Ukrainian army is by no means opposed by the US Air Force ....
      The numbers must be looked at. In Georgia, Syria. And the American ones in Iraq and Yugoslavia. Between the Air Force of the Russian Federation and the United States, the quantitative difference is approximately an order of magnitude. And the qualitative ones (especially intelligence, control and guided munitions) are simply incomparable.
      Apart from the fact that the air defense capabilities of Ukraine are much higher than the air defense of Iraq, or even more so of pedestrians from Syria. Well, the most significant difference. Ukraine is not alone. She has someone to help in every sense. Including the announcement of the AD / A2 zone over its territory ...
      1. Avior
        Avior 8 February 2022 12: 14
        +2
        Depends on how the partners will react.
        The probability of air cover and air defense of a certain part of Ukraine, for humanitarian purposes, of course, the western one in the first place, is quite high. In this case, the base of the Ukrainian army, including aviation, will move there.
        Even if they simply help with reconnaissance and coverage of the air situation, this is a significant support for air defense, which can work effectively in ambush mode.
        It all depends on how far the West is willing to go. It can be said for sure that there will be no collapse of the army, and at least semi-partisan military operations throughout the territory of Ukraine can continue for a long time.
        1. Liam
          Liam 8 February 2022 14: 41
          -4
          Quote: Avior
          Depends

          No one will look indifferently at the bombardment of European cities, at the thousands of deaths of women and children, and at hundreds of thousands if not millions of refugees.

          As for a purely military point of view, Iraq and Serbia - more than a month-long air campaign of about one and a half thousand aircraft, tens of thousands of sorties using missile defense.
          What does the Russian Federation have from this? How many really combat-ready Su-24,25,34 were left after Syria? And that was enough not to bomb the zones that the Turks did not want to touch. Non-combat losses and you yourself know what the numbers were. Georgia had enough BUK division so that the losses were huge in 2 days of fighting.

          Losing 20-30 drummers in a few days will quickly sober you up.

          The real (and number) effectiveness of the Iskanders and Calibers has yet to be known. And they need thousands of pieces to achieve something comparable to Iraq or Serbia
          1. Uncle Vanya Susanin
            Uncle Vanya Susanin 8 February 2022 21: 51
            0
            Georgia had enough BUK division for huge losses in 3 days of fighting.

            Of the 7 downed planes, only one was shot down by Buk, and half were shot down by friendly fire.
            1. Liam
              Liam 8 February 2022 23: 14
              -2
              Do you want to say that even Buki was not needed ... a few pieces of ancient Soviet MANPADS were enough?
              1. Uncle Vanya Susanin
                Uncle Vanya Susanin 9 February 2022 05: 50
                +1
                I don't want to say anything, more than 13 years have passed since that war. A detailed analysis of events is on the Internet, read, and then you do not have to fantasize and speculate!!!
  7. tralflot1832
    tralflot1832 7 February 2022 10: 37
    +2
    If you read the morning statements of the Russian Foreign Ministry, the United States and NATO should not be considered Ukrainian planes and do not tie lies about our war with Ukraine to Russia. Our goal of NATO and Ukraine will not be a bargaining chip.
  8. Emergency
    Emergency 7 February 2022 10: 40
    +3
    Dogs. “But you won’t fight, but you won’t fight,” various provocateurs squeak. And who is counting? Our nerves are strong, the neighbors are solid neurasthenics and "heroes" in power. With the help of the Natsiks and corrupt people, they pushed the normal ones away from power. What will be dark and incomprehensible.
  9. ancestors from Don
    ancestors from Don 7 February 2022 10: 47
    +1
    The actions of the aviation of the Armed Forces of Ukraine will most likely be suppressed by the forces of electronic warfare, so it will not come to a direct collision in the air, and it’s unpleasant to feel the loud buzzer in the headset that the plane has been captured by an enemy missile, not everyone dares to take off.
    1. Servisinzhener
      Servisinzhener 7 February 2022 11: 04
      +4
      Disagree. My opinion is that the airfields with the aircraft available on them will be "processed" with the help of OTRK and air and sea-based cruise missiles. Fortunately, their exact coordinates are known, in addition, there is satellite reconnaissance in order to know exactly what is where and in what quantity at the moment. And only with the few that survive will electronic warfare, air defense systems and fighter aircraft work.
  10. rotmistr60
    rotmistr60 7 February 2022 10: 52
    0
    military aviation of Ukraine will be almost immediately destroyed by the Russian Aerospace Forces
    Does it in the direct sense of "military aviation" exist at all? But even what they naturally have in the event of the outbreak of hostilities will be destroyed (if they don’t think of moving it to western Ukraine).
  11. Amateur
    Amateur 7 February 2022 11: 30
    -2
    Does this Ex write an article about the Ukrainian Air Force every week, or is the VO admin retelling the same article several times?
  12. BABAY22
    BABAY22 7 February 2022 12: 14
    +6
    military aviation of Ukraine will be almost immediately destroyed by the Russian Aerospace Forces

    Here you can not argue with the American observer.
  13. aybolyt678
    aybolyt678 7 February 2022 12: 57
    +2
    Military expert Mikhail Khodarenok believes this:
    Sometimes it is asserted in the Russian expert community (by fans of the Douai doctrine) that since the hypothetical military operations in Ukraine will take place under the conditions of complete dominance of Russian aircraft in the air, the war will be extremely short and will end in the shortest possible time.

    At the same time, it is somehow forgotten that the armed formations of the Afghan opposition during the conflict of 1979-1989 did not have a single aircraft and not a single combat helicopter. And the war in this country dragged on for as much as 10 years. The Chechen fighters did not have a single aircraft either. And the fight against them continued for several years and cost the federal forces a lot of blood and casualties.

    And the Armed Forces of Ukraine still have some kind of combat aircraft. As well as means of air defense.

    By the way, the Ukrainian crews of the anti-aircraft missile forces (by no means Georgian) significantly pinched the Russian Air Force during the 2008 conflict. After the first day of hostilities, the leadership of the Russian Air Force was in frank shock from the losses incurred. And you shouldn't forget about it.
    1. JonnyT
      JonnyT 7 February 2022 14: 03
      0
      you are confusing sweet and salty. We are talking about the confrontation between combatant regular units of the Armed Forces of Ukraine and the Russian Army. No one in the regular army of the Russian Federation plans to catch bare-assed Ukrainian terrorists, as well as to occupy the entire territory - let them fight each other and live on their own. And Russian aclaves with air defense systems for denying access will be reliably protected in accordance with the charter of the guard service
    2. House 25 Sq. 380
      House 25 Sq. 380 8 February 2022 17: 50
      +3
      Military expert Mikhail Khodarenok is not a very smart person if he gives such examples ....
      1. Uncle Vanya Susanin
        Uncle Vanya Susanin 8 February 2022 21: 56
        +1
        Military expert Mikhail Khodarenok is not a very smart person if he gives such examples ....

        In general, I didn’t expect this from him, he doesn’t seem to know how and with what the Russian planes were shot down, for a military expert, this is simply not acceptable!
      2. Avior
        Avior 8 February 2022 23: 16
        -2
        Khodarenok is a colonel in the reserve, an anti-aircraft gunner, former head of the group of the 1st direction of the 1st directorate of the Main Operational Directorate of the General Staff of the RF Armed Forces.
        1. House 25 Sq. 380
          House 25 Sq. 380 9 February 2022 11: 54
          -1
          According to the latest data known to me, about 50 thousand colonels live in Russia ....
          1. Avior
            Avior 9 February 2022 12: 15
            -2
            What does your data say about how many of them served in the Main Operational Directorate of the General Staff in a command position?
            1. House 25 Sq. 380
              House 25 Sq. 380 9 February 2022 16: 15
              0
              Not in a command position, but in the position of "hey, colonel!" ...
              His last command position was the post of deputy regiment commander ...
              As for the data, in 2020, it seems, there were 1.300 heads of active generals ...
              Well, those: "Drag the colonel, you are forgetting!" ....
              1. Avior
                Avior 9 February 2022 16: 17
                -1
                head of the group of the 1st direction of the 1st department

                like, there were 1.300 heads of acting generals

                and what of that?
                1. House 25 Sq. 380
                  House 25 Sq. 380 9 February 2022 17: 42
                  0
                  One paragraph is yours, the other is mine, and what the question is - God knows ....
                  I can do that too...
                  Military expert Mikhail Khodarenok is not a very smart person if he gives such examples ....

                  Khodarenok - retired colonel, anti-aircraft gunner, former head of the group of the 1st direction of the 1st directorate of the Main Operational Directorate of the General Staff of the RF Armed Forces

                  And what of that?
                  1. Avior
                    Avior 9 February 2022 17: 43
                    -1
                    How does this confirm what you wrote?
                    Military expert Mikhail Khodarenok is not a very smart person if he gives such examples ....
                    1. House 25 Sq. 380
                      House 25 Sq. 380 9 February 2022 18: 36
                      0
                      What is it"?
                  2. Avior
                    Avior 9 February 2022 18: 46
                    -1
                    it follows that his experience and education give every reason to call him an expert in this field, and he can express an expert opinion on this issue.
                    Are you an expert?
                    If not an expert, then statements such as yours must be supported by facts and arguments, and not unfounded statements
                    hi
                    1. House 25 Sq. 380
                      House 25 Sq. 380 9 February 2022 21: 11
                      0
                      His experience and education suggests that he can be an expert in his field - no less than thousands of other people with similar experience and education....
                      At the same time, the opportunity to act as an expert does not mean that the “expert” has shown reasonable good faith ...
                      Alleged statements are made against allegations, facts and arguments are presented against facts and arguments...
                      As if Mr. Khodarenok did not bring any facts or arguments...
                      At the same time, it remained a mystery to me personally - maybe you can help me: what expertise and in what area (experience and education) does Mr. Khodarenok have in assessing the Afghan and Chechen campaigns?
                      In this regard, I repeat the question: what is "it"?
                      1. Avior
                        Avior 9 February 2022 21: 47
                        0
                        Allegations
                        an expert is called an expert opinion.
                        he can be an expert in his field - no less than thousands of other people with similar experience and education ....

                        it does not matter in this case, if you are not one of them, you did not refer to their opinion.
                        hi
                      2. House 25 Sq. 380
                        House 25 Sq. 380 9 February 2022 21: 55
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                        That is, Mr. Khodarenok is an expert in assessing the effectiveness and efficiency of the Afghan and Chechen campaigns, and his experience and education will help us, for example, evaluate the actions of General Rokhlin's group during the New Year's assault on the formidable or capture of Amin's palace?
                        Did I understand you correctly?
                      3. Avior
                        Avior 10 February 2022 00: 16
                        0
                        That is, Khodarenok is a former employee of the Main Operational Directorate of the General Staff of the RF Armed Forces.
                        And you stubbornly dodge without saying whether you have any qualifications in the matter.
                        But you think that your allegations are worth more than his statements.
                        Did I understand you correctly?
                      4. House 25 Sq. 380
                        House 25 Sq. 380 10 February 2022 01: 50
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                        That is, the experience and education of the anti-aircraft gunner officer Khodarenko will help us, for example, evaluate the actions of the group of General Rokhlin during the "New Year's assault" on the formidable or the capture of Amin's palace?
                        Did I understand you correctly?
                      5. Avior
                        Avior 10 February 2022 06: 45
                        +1
                        You misread. Try again.
                      6. House 25 Sq. 380
                        House 25 Sq. 380 10 February 2022 19: 38
                        0
                        I have already read three times: that in the education and experience of the anti-aircraft gunner colonel, the deputy air defense regiment helps him evaluate the effectiveness and efficiency of the Chechen and Afghan campaigns - remained a mystery to me ....
                        Perhaps this information is known to you, but you carefully hide it from me ....
                      7. Avior
                        Avior 10 February 2022 20: 57
                        0
                        Perhaps you don’t read well if you couldn’t read about the General Staff three times.
                        But in this matter, I'm no help to you.
                        hi
                      8. House 25 Sq. 380
                        House 25 Sq. 380 14 February 2022 17: 40
                        0
                        I have already read three times, no - four times (!) About Khodarenko and the General Staff, namely:
                        "In 1988 he was transferred to serve in the Main Headquarters of the Air Defense Forces as a senior officer in the headquarters of the anti-aircraft missile forces of the air defense"

                        At this time, Khodarenok, apparently, planned the operations of the Soviet army in Afghanistan to counter the enemy Air Force and was responsible for the functioning of the Soviet air defense in Afghanistan (anti-aircraft gunner officer);
                        "Since 1992 - senior officer-operator of the 1st direction of the 1st department of the Main Operational Directorate of the General Staff of the Armed Forces of the Russian Federation.
                        In 1996 he entered the Military Academy of the General Staff of the Armed Forces of the Russian Federation"

                        At that time, Khodarenok, apparently, planned the operations of the Russian group in Chechnya to counter the enemy Air Force and was responsible for the functioning of the Russian air defense in the Chechen Republic (an anti-aircraft gunner-listener operator) ...
                        Did I understand you correctly?
                      9. Avior
                        Avior 14 February 2022 18: 06
                        -1
                        No, you misrepresented me.
                        I never wrote anywhere that Khodarenok was planning operations in Chechnya or Afghanistan.
  14. aleks700
    aleks700 7 February 2022 13: 20
    +2
    The best air defense, our tanks on an enemy airfield
  15. Geofiz
    Geofiz 7 February 2022 14: 41
    0
    Most likely, this air connection will be suppressed in the first hour of the war (God forbid, it will be) since Ukraine uses everything that the USSR built, including aircraft, so the coordinates of this airfield are known, I think the Iskanders do not fly there for a long time, so they probably they won’t even have time to take off, since there will be a preemptive strike on this airfield ...
  16. sen
    sen 7 February 2022 14: 45
    -1
    American observer: In the event of the outbreak of hostilities, the military aviation of Ukraine will be almost immediately destroyed by the Russian Aerospace Forces

    Logically. In Iraq, the United States primarily destroyed airfields and aircraft.
    1. Liam
      Liam 7 February 2022 14: 56
      +1
      Quote: sen
      Logically. In Iraq, the United States primarily destroyed airfields and aircraft.

      How many planes, how many sorties, and how long did the US take out the Iraqi army?
    2. Andrey Zhdanov-Nedilko
      Andrey Zhdanov-Nedilko 8 February 2022 12: 00
      +1
      But in 1982, in the Falklands, the British did not suppress the airfields of the Argentines on the mainland, but it was necessary to start with this. Although there was a semi-successful attempt by the English special forces from Chile to raid one airfield - they wrote about this later many years later. And the British allocated more forces and means for this, then there could not have been a war in the air. There is a clear flaw in the planners from the British side and their vaunted intelligence.
      1. Avior
        Avior 8 February 2022 12: 16
        -1
        The British did not have the ability to effectively fight on the mainland.
        1. Andrey Zhdanov-Nedilko
          Andrey Zhdanov-Nedilko 8 February 2022 12: 22
          0
          If desired, it was possible to use all the possibilities - both the DRG, and carrier-based aviation, and strategic or long-range aviation. But they didn't want to, however. Or something different.
          1. Avior
            Avior 8 February 2022 12: 27
            -1
            long-range aviation proved to be ineffective, carrier-based aviation was very limited, only for air defense, the range was limited. If the aircraft carriers had come closer to the coast of the mainland, then the Argentine aircraft would have melted them without big problems.
            The use of aircraft was justified, as they were located at the limit of the range of the Argentines
            The DRG, of course, had no chance on the mainland, the Argentines controlled everything there
            1. Andrey Zhdanov-Nedilko
              Andrey Zhdanov-Nedilko 9 February 2022 12: 53
              0
              Yesterday I specially re-watched the one and a half hour film "The Falklands War" at night - I advise you to refresh your memory about these events! By the way, only the "Volcano" flew in from long-range aviation once (!) And worked at the Port Stanley airfield. Next, carrier-based aviation worked.
              1. Avior
                Avior 9 February 2022 13: 38
                -2
                from long-range aviation, only "Volcano" flew in once (!)

                about which I wrote to you.
                long-range aviation proved to be ineffective

                If Vulcan had been sent to the mainland, the Argentine Mirages would have ended up slaughtering them like ducks on the hunt - they had no chance. If the British had sent aircraft carriers to the mainland, the Argentines would have sunk them before they could release aircraft to attack the mainland.
                I advise you to refresh your memory

                Thanks for the advice, I don't see the need
                Next, carrier-based aviation worked.

                The British aircraft carriers had deck Harriers and land ones. As a rule, deck ones were used specifically for air defense - they had an airborne radar. Land, as a rule, as shock.
                1. Andrey Zhdanov-Nedilko
                  Andrey Zhdanov-Nedilko 9 February 2022 14: 48
                  0
                  Sorry, but the Argentines had old filth collected from all over the world! No, you still watch this movie! I didn’t remember much myself - years have passed, but yesterday I looked and, by the way, there were comments by the British themselves - look. The second raid of the "Volcano" was not needed - the runway was completely destroyed, and the "Harriers" only controlled it.
                  And where are the land "Harriers" - what are you talking about ??? Only naval aviation worked there.
                  And further. In that conflict, it was precisely these aspects that interested me most of all - after all, I served in aviation and the issue of operating airfields is my own, mine from the university and in the service. And the actions of the DRG, the fleet, who surrendered to whom and how they went to the bayonet, sorry, I don’t need a hundred years and I’m not interested. Like this. And although thirty years have passed since the service, I remember these things, I know, and I find it interesting. Construction and operation go hand in hand. Even in the army, even in civilian life.
                  1. Avior
                    Avior 9 February 2022 15: 34
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                    you are somewhat wrong


                    In the 1970s the British Aerospace Sea Harrier was developed from the Harrier for use by the Royal Navy (RN) on Invincible-class aircraft carriers. The Sea Harrier and the Harrier fought in the 1982 Falklands War, in which the aircraft proved to be crucial and versatile. The RN Sea Harriers provided fixed-wing air defense while the RAF Harriers focused on ground-attack missions in support of the advancing British land force.
                    In the 1970s, the British Aerospace Sea Harrier was developed from the Harrier for use by the Royal Navy (RN) on the Invincible-class aircraft carriers. The Sea Harrier and Harrier fought in the 1982 Falklands War, in which the aircraft proved to be decisive and versatile. The RN Sea Harriers provided fixed-wing air defense while the RAF Harriers focused on ground attack in support of the advancing British ground forces.

                    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Hawker_Siddeley_Harrier
                    In total, during the Falklands War, 28 carrier-based Sea Harrier FRS1 Navy and 10 ground Harrier GR.3 of the Royal Air Force were used.
                    from long-range aviation, only "Volcano" flew in once (!)

                    In fact, during the Black Buck operation to use the Volcanoes, there were 7 raids - Black Buck 1-7. You can read about it here.
                    http://www.airwar.ru/history/locwar/folkl/vulcan/vulcan.html
                    The complexity of the operations was very high.
                    the Argentines had old lewd collected from all over the world!

                    The Argentines had Mirage-5 and Mirage-3, although outdated, but quite capable of shooting down the Vulcan if it were near the airfield on the mainland. They could not fly from the islands themselves - the runway was too short.
                    1. Andrey Zhdanov-Nedilko
                      Andrey Zhdanov-Nedilko 9 February 2022 15: 39
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                      I agree with everything, but yesterday in the film the British for some reason said about one raid by "Volcano". Weird.
                      1. Avior
                        Avior 9 February 2022 16: 56
                        0
                        I agree with everything

                        drinks
                      2. Andrey Zhdanov-Nedilko
                        Andrey Zhdanov-Nedilko 10 February 2022 09: 25
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                        The English lie all the time. There is nothing new.
      2. House 25 Sq. 380
        House 25 Sq. 380 8 February 2022 17: 48
        +1
        And why Chile extra problems?
        1. Andrey Zhdanov-Nedilko
          Andrey Zhdanov-Nedilko 9 February 2022 12: 56
          0
          Relations between Chile and Argentina have always been difficult - once even on the brink of war. Although juntas ruled in both countries.
          1. House 25 Sq. 380
            House 25 Sq. 380 9 February 2022 16: 04
            +1
            This is understandable .... What are the extra problems for?
            1. Andrey Zhdanov-Nedilko
              Andrey Zhdanov-Nedilko 10 February 2022 09: 23
              +1
              And the situation in the economies of both, in my opinion, is always unimportant. Okay, God grant us first, and then prosperity to them!
              1. House 25 Sq. 380
                House 25 Sq. 380 10 February 2022 19: 40
                0
                Your words)
  17. Popov I.P.
    Popov I.P. 7 February 2022 19: 23
    +1
    The observer is certainly right that in the event of a serious conflict, the Ukrainian Air Force will not last long, and it is not a fact that someone will be allowed to take to the air. Ukraine in the 90s grabbed as many as 4 air armies of the former USSR Air Force, these are thousands of aircraft, where are they now? Everything is incompetently profaned. The newest aircraft, as well as air defense systems, in the Armed Forces of Ukraine, produced in the late 80s, during the independence of the Armed Forces of Ukraine, the Armed Forces of Ukraine did not receive a single new combat aircraft or air defense system. Soviet technology, of course, in fact has a resource greater than declared, but aviation is a strict system of repairs and regulations, designer supervision, etc. Was it in Ukraine? There were aircraft repair plants of the former USSR Ministry of Defense, some stocks of military spare parts, and Motor Sich, a manufacturer of aircraft engines for certain types of aircraft, is also located there. But in Ukraine there is only one aviation design bureau of the former USSR, which was engaged exclusively in transport aircraft, and that serial production of An aircraft was carried out in cooperation with hundreds of factories from all over the USSR. Therefore, the self-made modernization of the fleet (the same Mi-29 to the level of the MiG-29mu-2) without the participation of the main developer causes a slight smile. Restoring the full technical readiness of the Ukrainian air fleet is an unlikely event, and there are clearly no funds for the purchase of new aircraft. Only economically wealthy countries can afford real aviation. But aviation is not only aircraft, but also trained pilots, and the Armed Forces of Ukraine are also having a hard time with this. Remember the ostentatious air show in Western Ukraine, when a combat aircraft was dropped into the very center of a crowd of spectators with dozens of victims, but at the same time both pilots ejected safely. There is an unspoken rule in the Air Force of all countries of the world - the pilot leaves the dying plane only when he took it away from random victims, but what country is Ukraine - such are the pilots.
    1. Avior
      Avior 8 February 2022 12: 29
      +1
      Remember the ostentatious air show in Western Ukraine

      are there others? unostentatious?
      Both pilots ejected safely

      catapulted at the moment the plane touched the ground
      what country is Ukraine - such are the pilots

      they were Soviet pilots, they were 50 years old.
  18. aries2200
    aries2200 7 February 2022 22: 41
    0
    the military aviation of Ukraine will be destroyed almost immediately by the Aerospace Forces - that's great ... the Americans will have something to sell to Ukrainians
  19. Osipov9391
    Osipov9391 8 February 2022 03: 27
    -4
    Most likely, all serviceable aircraft will fly to Romania or Poland to NATO bases and from there they will be used in the war with Russia together with NATO aircraft.
    Perhaps they will die in air battles.
    But on our part, no one will strike at NATO bases in Romania and Poland - this will automatically trigger a war with the United States, since it will inevitably hook the Americans there.
    1. House 25 Sq. 380
      House 25 Sq. 380 8 February 2022 17: 46
      +2
      I mean, flying Ukrainian planes from Romanian bases is not an act of war with Romania, but bombing these bases is an act of war?
      1. Osipov9391
        Osipov9391 8 February 2022 23: 50
        -1
        And what if the Ukrainian authorities "legally" ask NATO to do this and receive a positive response? To keep a no-fly zone there or there.
        A potential Russian strike on a NATO base in Poland or Romania will immediately trigger a war with the United States, because, firstly, it will hook the Americans stationed there, and secondly, it will bring into force the NATO Charter of Aggression against a member of the alliance.
        1. House 25 Sq. 380
          House 25 Sq. 380 9 February 2022 11: 46
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          Providing such bases to the belligerent is a casus belli, no "strike" is needed ...
          Even a simple finding of military equipment, without performing any combat missions, on a foreign military base is a casus belli...
          Because of this, warships during the war cannot enter the ports of third countries for a long time, even for water and fuel ... After the period of stay specified by international conventions - either internment or departure ....
          Why these heaps of words?
          1. Osipov9391
            Osipov9391 9 February 2022 13: 30
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            All this is done on the basis of international treaties on military alliance and military assistance. Or have they forgotten how ours entered Belarus for exercises? That's right, by invitation and contracts.
            1. House 25 Sq. 380
              House 25 Sq. 380 9 February 2022 16: 04
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              Belarus and Russia are not at war with anyone - the analogy is so-so ...
  20. However, dear
    However, dear 8 February 2022 03: 28
    -2
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  21. viktor.
    viktor. 8 February 2022 06: 06
    +2
    One Planted Poplar in the Pentagon Yard! Kill all the wars on earth!
  22. Pipa Suriname
    Pipa Suriname 8 February 2022 11: 34
    0
    It's not even about airplanes, in Ukraine there are simply no pilots capable of performing combat missions. Their training corresponds to the level of a cadet of the 3rd year of a military school in Russia, "takeoff and landing". You can't learn to fly without flying. And for flights they have neither materiel nor fuel.
  23. gridasov
    gridasov 8 February 2022 12: 01
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    Is it only aviation!? Any command centers, and especially groups of foreign troops and weapons. Losing competencies.
  24. House 25 Sq. 380
    House 25 Sq. 380 8 February 2022 17: 44
    0
    Why are the planes not decommunized?
  25. West 2000
    West 2000 8 February 2022 20: 52
    0
    Come on! It can't be like that)))
  26. Diverter
    Diverter 8 February 2022 21: 43
    -1
    I demand to withdraw from the composition of the PS of Ukraine the litaks crushed near Mordor! need usi Migi and Su porizati for scrap!!!
    so I’m going to smash the SV and the Navy !!!
    ))))))))))))))