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August Marmont. Faithful friend of Bonaparte

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August Marmont. Faithful friend of Bonaparte
Auguste Frederic Louis Viesse de Marmont, Duc de Raguse


In the Christian world, the apostle Judas Iscariot, whom Dante placed on the lowest level of the hell he invented, has long been considered the embodiment and personification of a traitor. Together with Judas, according to the Florentine, there were Brutus and Cassius, the killers of Caesar, who later led the armies that fought against the troops of Octavian and Mark Antony. Few people remember Cassia now, and there were many who wanted to justify Brutus. During the French Revolution, "citizen Brutus" in this country became a hero and an example to follow. The dubious fame of Marmont, at least in France, also put this Napoleonic marshal on a par with the sinful apostle Judas. From the title of the Duke of Ragusa, once bestowed on Marmont by Bonaparte, the word “ragusada” was formed here, which became synonymous with betrayal and treason.

Napoleon himself was the first to compare Marmont with Judas. As early as March 1, 1815 (immediately after landing in Juan Bay), Bonaparte, in his proclamation sent to the army, declared two people, Marmont and Augereau, to be traitors and responsible for the defeat of France:

"Both of them went over to the side of the enemy, betraying our laurels, their country, their overlord and benefactor."

But on the island of St. Helena, Napoleon, in a conversation with Dr. O'Meara, already focused his attention on Marmont:

“Marmont must become the object of disgust on the part of posterity. As long as France exists, the name of Marmont will not be mentioned without a shudder. He feels it even at this moment, he is the most miserable person in the world. He will not be able to forgive himself and he will end his life like Judas."

If the emperor had in mind the possible suicide of a traitor, then he was mistaken: Marmont lived a long life and died on March 3, 1852 in Venice - the last of his marshals, although not the oldest of them (he did not live up to 78 years).

The first years of Marmont's life


Auguste Frederic Louis Viesse de Marmont was born into an old noble family. One of the representatives of this genus is mentioned in the chronicles of the time of Louis XII. The ancestors of the future marshal moved to Burgundy from Holland in the 20th century. The castle of Châtillon-on-Seine became his birthplace, it happened on July 1774, XNUMX. By this time, the family was already impoverished, and the parents did not have the means to send their only son to a prestigious educational institution in the capital. Moreover, the boy, who showed a clear interest in military affairs, was assigned to a local Catholic college, since his father decided that "serving God can feed a nobleman better than serving the king."

Marmont's classmates turned out to be two very famous people. The first was Jean-Andoche Junot, the future divisional general, a close friend of Napoleon. Upon learning of his death (suicide, July 1813), the emperor said:

"Junot was a brave guy, he went into the fire like a ball."


Vincent-Nicolas Raverat. Jean-Andoche Junot, Duc d'Abrantes

The second is Jean-Baptiste Muiron, Napoleon's adjutant, who died in 1796 on the Arcole Bridge.


In this illustration from Ridpath's History of the World, we see the canonical version of the events of November 15, 1796: Muiron covers General Bonaparte, commander of the Italian army, from bullets

The name Muiron was given to the frigate on which Napoleon arrived from Egypt to France in 1799 (this ship with Bonaparte on board entered the port of Frejus on October 9).


Louis Meyer. Arrival in France of Bonaparte after returning from Egypt on October 9, 1799

After the beginning of the revolution, the paths of friends parted for a while. Junot and Muiron on September 1, 1791, volunteered for the battalion of the National Guard of the Côte-d'Or department. And Auguste Marmont in 1790 received a patent from his grandfather as a junior lieutenant of the Chartres battalion. This unit carried out garrison service, and service in it did not promise any special prospects. However, a start was made, and soon the young man entered the Dijon Artillery School. In 1792 we see Marmont as the 2nd lieutenant of the 1st artillery regiment.


J. Rouget. Lieutenant Marmont in 1792

By the way, in Dijon, he meets the young Corsican Napoleone Buonaparte, who served nearby - in the garrison of Auxerre.


Henri-Felix-Emmanuel Philippoteaux. Portrait of a young Bonaparte

Thus, Marmont was the only marshal who had known the young Bonaparte since the time when this Corsican was unknown to anyone in France. He immediately fell under the spell of Napoleon's personality and, as Delderfield put it, "attached the wagon of his fate to the chariot of Bonaparte."

And at first, Marmont, indeed, was completely faithful and devoted to Napoleon, who later spoke of him as a person with whom he "shared a piece of bread." It is unlikely that Marmont would have believed if someone had told him at that time that the day would come when he would betray Bonaparte.

Near Bonaparte


Together with Napoleon, Captain Auguste Marmont found himself at the besieged Toulon in 1793. Junot and Muiron, already familiar to us, were also there at that time.

After the fall of the fortress, Bonaparte became a brigadier general and was considered the “man” of Auguste Robespierre, the brother of the all-powerful Maximilian. However, it was precisely this circumstance that nearly killed Napoleon. After the Thermidorian coup, General Bonaparte was imprisoned. Captain Marmont and Lieutenant Junot were out of work and, having practically no means, awaiting arrest, lived in some miserable Marseille hotel. However, after 2 weeks, Napoleon was free. He was not only reinstated in rank, but also placed at the head of the troops sent to Corsica captured by the British. Marmont Bonaparte was appointed commander of the transport units, and Junot became his adjutant.

Napoleon failed to distinguish himself then: the French squadron was defeated by the British fleet and ingloriously returned. The troops subordinated to Napoleon were transferred to the Italian army, and he, along with Junot and Marmont, went to Paris. On the way, they visited the castle of Marmont's parents, who did not find anything interesting in the young and nondescript General Bonaparte.

In the capital, Napoleon was offered command of an infantry brigade in the rebellious Vendée. He refused this appointment, after which he was dismissed and for some time was in great need, almost starving, mostly reading books on military topics. Marmont recalled these days:

“The three of us (himself, Bonaparte and Junot) ended up in Paris. Bonaparte without a position, I without legal leave, and Junot as an adjutant to a general whom the government did not want to recognize. We spent time at the Palais Royal and in theaters, although we had almost no money and no chance for the future.

That is, Marmont then arbitrarily left the service in order to go after Bonaparte. From a formal point of view, he could safely be called a deserter.

It was not until August 1795 that Napoleon obtained a position in the topographic department of the Committee of Public Safety, where he began to work on the plans for his first Italian campaign. Among the papers, Bonaparte saw the bold proposals of Berthier, rejected by General Scherer. Thus, for the first time, Bonaparte became aware of the existence of this not too young general, who would soon become his permanent and indispensable chief of staff. But we have already spoken about this in two articles about Marshal Berthier.

And for Bonaparte, and for Marmont, and for Junot, everything changed after the royalist rebellion of 13 Vendemière (October 5), 1795. Summoned by Barras to defend the Convention, Napoleon defeated the rebels in half a day. Then Junot said:

“If these fellows (rebels) gave me command over them, how the members of the Convention would fly into the air with me!”

Marmont in the Army of the Rhine


After these events, Marmont was sent to General Pichegru's Army of the Rhine, which at that time was besieging the city of Mainz.

Here he received command of a battery of 24 guns, but it all ended with a retreat.

Now Marmont was appointed chief of artillery of the division of General Desaix, with whom he established a very good relationship.

Bonaparte's first Italian campaign


At the beginning of 1796, Marmont was summoned to Paris. Here he met Junot again. Together they introduced Napoleon to the dashing cavalryman Joachim Murat. As Napoleon's adjutant and commander of the headquarters battalion, Marmont goes with his army to Italy. Here he led several cavalry charges during the Battle of Lodi, for which he was awarded a saber. He took part in the battles against the troops of Pope Pius VI and in the siege of Mantua, then was appointed commander of the artillery units of the Augereau division, with which he fought at Loano and Castiglione (August 1796). Finally, on September 15, 1796, he carried out a successful cavalry attack at Saint-Georges, driving the Austrians back to Mantua.

Satisfied Bonaparte sent Marmont on an honorary mission to Paris: in the capital, he handed over 22 Austrian banners to the Directory and received the rank of colonel of horse artillery. Returning to Italy, he took part in the famous battle of Arcola, where Bonaparte and Augereau personally (and unsuccessfully) led attacks on the bridge over the Alpone River. Here his old acquaintance, Colonel Jean-Baptiste Muiron, died. This was discussed in the article. Charles Pierre Augereau. From marshal to traitor.

Marmont then engaged in unsuccessful negotiations with the Venetians about their participation in the war with Austria.

The year 1797 begins with the victory at Rivoli and the fall of Mantua, after which Marmont, under the command of General Victor, again fights against the army of the pope. After the victory, it was Marmont who controlled the payment of indemnities by the pontiff, and then negotiated with the Austrian Archduke Charles. Finally, he participates in the conquest of Venice, after which he goes to Bonaparte in Milan and accompanies Josephine on her trip to Italy. At the same time, Marmont introduced to Bonaparte his commander in the Army of the Rhine, Charles-Antoine Desaix, who had arrived in Italy.

After returning to Paris, Marmont in 1798 married the daughter of a wealthy Parisian banker, Anne Marie Hortense Perrego.


Jean-Baptiste Isabey. Portrait of Hortense de Perregaux, Duchess of Ragusa

Egyptian expedition of Bonaparte


On May 19, 1798, about 400 French combat and transport ships put to sea and set off for the coast of Egypt. Thus began the famous Egyptian expedition of Napoleon, who received command of the 38th Eastern Army. This campaign was attended entirely by "stars of the first magnitude" - generals, whose names will soon thunder throughout Europe: Davout, Berthier, Desaix, Murat, Lannes and others. Among them was Colonel Marmont. At the head of 5 battalions, he participated in the capture of Malta, repelling the sortie of the defenders of La Valletta, for which he was promoted to brigadier general.

Then Marmont served as commander of the garrison of Alexandria and did not take an active part in the campaign. However, he became one of the closest associates of Bonaparte, whom he took with him, returning to France. But Kleber, one of the most capable French generals of that time, the commander of many future marshals, remained and on June 14, 1800 was killed by a religious fanatic. Davout and Desa (who received the curious nickname “Righteous Sultan” here) were left in Egypt - both of them were later captured by the British when they returned to their homeland. Fortunately for Bonaparte, they were exchanged.

But let's get back to Marmont, who, during the coup d'état of 18 Brumaire, of course, turned out to be on the side of Napoleon. And he received the post of commander of artillery stationed in Dijon of the Reserve Army.

Bonaparte's second Italian campaign


As head of the artillery units, Marmont also took part in Napoleon's new Italian campaign. Bonaparte himself recognized the great merits of Marmont in transporting cannons through the St. Gotthard Pass, which, of course, was a very difficult task. And he managed to get several guns past the Austrian fort Bard, which was of great importance, as it saved time. Then his subordinates built a double bridge across the Po River, through which the entire army passed.

Marmont also played an important role during the battle of Marengo. Here, at a critical moment, he was able to quickly create a new battery of 18 guns, which destroyed many enemy guns and inflicted heavy losses on the Austrian column of General Zach. And then, having ordered 4 light guns to be removed from the limbers, he supported the famous attack of the Desaix division with volleys of direct fire. For these actions, he received the rank of divisional general. Bonaparte at that time appreciated Marmont so much that he took him with him, returning to Paris, but he soon returned to Italy, becoming the chief of artillery already in the army of General Brun. With her, he took part in the Battle of Pozzolo (December 25-26, 1800).

Grievances of General Marmont


Returning to Paris in May 1801, Marmont received the post of inspector general of the French artillery. And in 1803 he was at the head of the artillery units of the Boulogne camp.

In March 1804, we see Marmont as commander of the Dutch army stationed at the Zeist camp near Utrecht. But Marmont was not among the first marshals of Bonaparte's empire, which offended him extremely. For some reason, he was especially stung by the assignment of this title to Bessieres. Marmon even stated:

"If Bessieres is a marshal, then anyone can be."

On top of that, during the coronation ceremony, Marmont, as a member of the Council of State, was placed not with generals, but with high-ranking civilian officials. This also offended and offended him greatly.

In the campaign of 1805, Marmont commanded the II Corps of the Grand Army.


Marmont among other generals and marshals behind Bonaparte in the painting "Napoleon accepting the surrender of General Mack" by Charles Tevelin

He did not win special laurels then, but in the same 1805 he received the honorary and prestigious title of Colonel General of the Guards Horse Rangers.

In July 1806, Marmont lifted the siege from Ragusa, then he received Dalmatia and Styria in control, in 1808 Napoleon granted him the title of Duke of Ragusa. However, Marmont did not receive the coveted title of Marshal again.

The next article will talk about how Marmont nevertheless received the marshal's baton, about his participation in the Pyrenean War, campaigns of 1813-1814. and role in the abdication of Bonaparte. Let's talk about the last inglorious years of this marshal's life.
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  1. parusnik
    parusnik 11 February 2022 05: 58
    +7
    On top of that, during the coronation ceremony, Marmont, as a member of the Council of State, was placed not with generals, but with high-ranking civilian officials. This also offended and offended him greatly.
    The insults piled up..
  2. Catfish
    Catfish 11 February 2022 06: 04
    +7
    Good morning to everyone and good mood! smile

    And, long live Napoleon and his marshals, without them it would not be so fun here.

    Thank you, Valery! good

    The name "Muiron" was given to the frigate on which Napoleon arrived from Egypt to France in 1799.



    The 44-gun frigate was laid down in Venice in 1789. At the time of the start of construction, he did not have a name, but only serial number No. 11. The ship was under construction when Napoleon's troops captured Venice in May 1797. The French accelerated its construction, and on July 19, 1797, the ship was launched. August 26, 1797 he went to sea.
  3. Olgovich
    Olgovich 11 February 2022 07: 00
    +2
    "Both of them went over to the side of the enemy, betraying our laurels, their country, their overlord and benefactor."


    It's funny when betrayal laments traitor: for some reason, he did not have thoughts about the coup of 18 Brumaire and his betrayal of the First Republic.
    1. VLR
      11 February 2022 07: 05
      +15
      Well, it's different! smile
      "Immortal" m traditional surprise:
      "What are we for?!"
  4. know
    know 11 February 2022 08: 14
    +10
    In the first half of his life, Marmont is simply a romantic hero. A good biography, good and right friends... There were no bullets for him at Vagram - now they would remember him as Desaix and on a par with Lann, who died then. But the same Muiron and Desaix would have remained alive - you see, and they would have gotten dirty in 1814 and messed up.
  5. Daniil Konovalenko
    Daniil Konovalenko 11 February 2022 08: 20
    +9
    Auguste Marmont is an organizer, administrator, but his military leadership talents are overrated. The main negative feature is envy.
    1. Pane Kohanku
      Pane Kohanku 11 February 2022 11: 18
      +8
      Auguste Marmont is an organizer, administrator, but his military leadership talents are overrated. The main negative feature is envy.

      Could Bonaparte during the coronation put the old comrade on the other side! request
      1. Daniil Konovalenko
        Daniil Konovalenko 11 February 2022 11: 21
        +5
        I could have, but I didn’t. Marmont harbored anger and resentment .. laughing
        1. Pane Kohanku
          Pane Kohanku 11 February 2022 11: 31
          +10
          I could have, but I didn’t. Marmont harbored anger and resentment ..

          Because it's not comradely! laughing
          In general, many thanks to our Valery for the work done. As it were, everyone knows that Napoleon had a whole galaxy of marshals, but the detailed life path of each is a mystery. And he scrupulously, and with a pleasant text, eliminates this gap. drinks
          1. Daniil Konovalenko
            Daniil Konovalenko 11 February 2022 11: 41
            +6
            Comradely, Napoleon, Marmont, was awarded the rank of marshal, showered with nishtyaks, much more, and Marmont, just a "pathetic, insignificant person" (c) laughing
            1. Pane Kohanku
              Pane Kohanku 11 February 2022 11: 55
              +8
              Marmont, just a "pathetic, insignificant person"

              Yes, yes, Bonaparte told him so! drinks
              1. Daniil Konovalenko
                Daniil Konovalenko 11 February 2022 11: 58
                +7
                Yes, yes, Bonaparte told him so!
                good I guess, yes laughing
                1. Pane Kohanku
                  Pane Kohanku 11 February 2022 12: 02
                  +9
                  I guess, yes

                  Do you remember how Napoleon yelled at Talleyrand? smile
                  "What a poop you are! (there was a more poignant expression). What a poop you are in silk stockings!" am
                  By the way, two more topics for Valery - Talleyrand and Fouche. Unsinkable many-sided Anuses. fellow
                  1. Mihaylov
                    Mihaylov 11 February 2022 12: 11
                    +4
                    Quote: Pane Kohanku
                    there was a more poignant expression)

                    Merde? wassat
                    1. Pane Kohanku
                      Pane Kohanku 11 February 2022 12: 21
                      +8
                      Merde?

                      Yes! Moreover, merde in silk stockings! wassat
                      I liked Malkovich in his role, the series "Napoleon". In the role of Fouche - Depardieu.
                      1. Mihaylov
                        Mihaylov 11 February 2022 12: 28
                        +4
                        Quote: Pane Kohanku
                        Moreover, merde in silk stockings!

                        La merde en bas de soie? drinks
                      2. Pane Kohanku
                        Pane Kohanku 11 February 2022 12: 33
                        +5
                        On French sites, this phrase is presented as follows:
                        - Vous êtes un voleur, un lâche, un homme sans foi. Vous ne croyez pas à Dieu; vous avez toute votre vie manqué à tous vos devoirs, vous avez trompé, trahi tout le monde […] Tenez, Monsieur, vous n'êtes que de la merde dans un bas de soie.

                        Google translate gives the following (sorry, I don't speak French):
                        You are a thief, a coward, a man without faith. You don't believe in God; all your life you have not coped with all your duties, you have deceived everyone, betrayed […] Look, sir, you are just (the same) in a silk stocking. negative

                        https://www.histoire-en-citations.fr/citations/napoloen-vous-etes-un-voleur-un-lache-un-homme-sans-foi
                      3. Mihaylov
                        Mihaylov 11 February 2022 12: 37
                        +6
                        Quote: Pane Kohanku
                        - Vous êtes un voleur, un lâche, un homme sans foi. Vous ne croyez pas à Dieu; vous avez toute votre vie manqué à tous vos devoirs, vous avez trompé, trahi tout le monde […] Tenez, Monsieur, vous n'êtes que de la merde dans un bas de soie.

                        It is necessary to learn, hit his finger with a hammer and instead of the usual "Damn!" you give out such a tirade and all gardening freezes in anxious expectation ... wassat
                      4. Pane Kohanku
                        Pane Kohanku 11 February 2022 12: 46
                        +8
                        all gardening freezes in anxious expectation...

                        Then the facade of the country house a la Tuileries will have to be done.
                        I have already submitted. For five minutes over the surrounding landscapes, the catchy French slang of the early 19th century is spreading ... Everyone tensed up, your chanson lovers even put on the "Marseillaise". laughing
                      5. Mihaylov
                        Mihaylov 11 February 2022 13: 00
                        +7
                        Quote: Pane Kohanku
                        Then the facade of the country house a la Tuileries will have to be done.
                        I have already submitted. For five minutes over the surrounding landscapes, the catchy French slang of the early 19th century is spreading ... Everyone tensed up, your chanson lovers even put on the "Marseillaise".

                        And suddenly from the neighboring "country tuileries" in excellent French it is heard: "Monsieur, you were wrong, this verb in the form of Passé composé was not used at the beginning of the XNUMXth century .." wassat
                      6. Pane Kohanku
                        Pane Kohanku 11 February 2022 13: 11
                        +8
                        "Monsieur, you were wrong, this verb in the form of Passé composé was not used at the beginning of the XNUMXth century .."

                        A well-known anecdote comes to mind: "Monsieur, could you work the broom a little faster, you knock me off pace..." laughing
                      7. Catfish
                        Catfish 11 February 2022 15: 02
                        +3
                        Who is talking about what, and Kolya is talking about this ... wink laughing
                        Should I include a picture as an illustration? winked No, I won't No. , otherwise you’ll blame me again for starting this here. request
                      8. Pane Kohanku
                        Pane Kohanku 11 February 2022 15: 30
                        +3
                        otherwise you will blame me again that I started about it here

                        Do not cross from one head to another! Usually you insert these pictures even before I come to the forum. laughing drinks
                      9. Catfish
                        Catfish 11 February 2022 17: 26
                        +2
                        And after you come to the forum, I have nothing to do with my pictures here. laughing
                      10. Pane Kohanku
                        Pane Kohanku 11 February 2022 20: 13
                        +1
                        And after you come to the forum, I have nothing to do with my pictures here.

                        In general, we confessed to each other in great love! laughing drinks
                      11. Catfish
                        Catfish 12 February 2022 00: 17
                        +1
                        we confessed our great love to each other!

                        To the beautiful half of humanity. smile drinks
                      12. Pane Kohanku
                        Pane Kohanku 12 February 2022 00: 25
                        +1
                        To the beautiful half of humanity.

                        Ah, sergeant-major, don't speak! yes laughing
                      13. Catfish
                        Catfish 12 February 2022 00: 28
                        +1
                        Yawol, Hauptsturmführer, you can't argue with nature. wink drinks
                      14. Pane Kohanku
                        Pane Kohanku 12 February 2022 00: 30
                        +1
                        Hauptsturmführer, you can't argue with nature

                        We are like that! wink drinks It's nice that you understand the titles of a banned organization. By the way, the police were subordinate to the SS ... request
                      15. Catfish
                        Catfish 12 February 2022 00: 41
                        +1
                        Well, yes, that means you are an SS-Hauptsturmführer and a captain of the police and Feljandarmerie. How many ranks one person has, you will inevitably become proud. smile
                      16. Pane Kohanku
                        Pane Kohanku 12 February 2022 19: 04
                        +2
                        How many ranks one person has, you will inevitably become proud.

                        You can be proud of the titles, Uncle Kostya. drinks But on the organization that appropriated these titles - hands up to their ears in blood. request
                        Well, what a captain I am. I am a jacket. laughing
                      17. Catfish
                        Catfish 12 February 2022 19: 13
                        +1
                        I also have a jacket, but I do not refuse sergeant's epaulettes. As General Kovalevsky said: "The Sovereign Emperor assigned me the rank of lieutenant general." And we got our shoulder straps in a normal state, which we can be proud of. So, Comrade Captain, ours is ours. smile drinks
                      18. Pane Kohanku
                        Pane Kohanku 12 February 2022 19: 23
                        +2
                        I also have a jacket, but I do not refuse sergeant's epaulettes.

                        The jacket will not be able to command a tank. Don't talk to yourself. And about your subsequent path - painting, weapons .. I generally keep quiet! Fading on your background, sincerely.
                      19. Catfish
                        Catfish 12 February 2022 20: 22
                        +1
                        With painting, you intercepted a little, I only dealt with graphics, but anyway - thanks. smile drinks
                      20. VLR
                        11 February 2022 12: 52
                        +11
                        We bashfully wrote "dirt". Here, as in Tarle, for example:
                        "You are a thief, a scoundrel, a dishonorable person! You do not believe in God, you have violated all your obligations all your life, you have deceived everyone, betrayed everyone, nothing is sacred for you, you would have sold your own father! .. Why should I still didn't you hang it on the bars of Carousel Square? But there is, there is still enough time for that! You are mud in silk stockings! Mud! Mud!.."

                        Talleyrand, leaving the office, said:
                        "What a pity that such a great man is so badly brought up."
                      21. Pane Kohanku
                        Pane Kohanku 11 February 2022 13: 09
                        +7
                        "What a pity that such a great man is so badly brought up."

                        Wiped off, and like water off a duck's back! laughing
                        Talleyrand, in his old age, cohabited with the wife of his nephew, almost 40 years younger than himself.

                        In unscrupulousness, perhaps, only Metternich could compete with him ... At least in sexuality.
                      22. Catfish
                        Catfish 11 February 2022 15: 06
                        +3
                        And what, the man normally mastered the well-known thesis - "You will grow up to a hundred years without old age!" good
                        "God forbid everyone to devour the chicken that will graze on his grave." (c) drinks
                      23. LisKat2
                        LisKat2 11 February 2022 16: 16
                        +1
                        I would like to know how she felt. After all, he was a mess. Perhaps he was "assisted" by a young servant?
                      24. Pane Kohanku
                        Pane Kohanku 11 February 2022 16: 30
                        +2
                        I would like to know how she felt.

                        Delicious! Magical! Fantastic! fellow Rejoiced, and loudly asked for more ... yes
                      25. astra wild2
                        astra wild2 6 March 2022 10: 48
                        0
                        "so badly brought up" after such expressions of Napoleon, Talleyrand also commented with restraint
          2. depressant
            depressant 11 February 2022 12: 10
            +8
            I support! Valery is a great fellow! good hi I'll try to stay on topic if I can.
            And... Oh, how I want many, many articles about the Estates General, the Convention, the Directory - in the smallest detail. Indeed, in the history of civilization of the present type, this was the first attempt by the bureaucracy to separate itself into a separate political class. An attempt that failed, and a scrupulous investigation into why it all happened, is both an attempt and a failure.
            1. Pane Kohanku
              Pane Kohanku 11 February 2022 12: 18
              +7
              Oh, how I want many, many articles about the Estates General, the Convention, the Directory - in the smallest detail.

              I will, but for a different reason. It's just that with Napoleon and his wars, everything is more or less presented. But a decade before that - I have a gap. Some random knowledge. That is why he asked me to write about the Vendée, Cadoudal, Gosh and Pichegru. About the formation of a revolutionary army that managed to repulse its neighbors ...
              The Vendeans also had their heroes. For example, Henri de La Rochezhaklein. The guy was only 21 years old when he died, but at the same time he managed to become a bright "field commander".


              And here he is at the Battle of Cholet, 1793. Please note, to the right of him, in a red shirt and slinky trousers - a typical "kosinier", as the clairvoyants say.


              That is, Valery - only the desire to write. And themes for creativity - a great many. The turbulent era...
              1. depressant
                depressant 11 February 2022 12: 40
                +7
                The turbulent era...

                Stormy and beautiful!
                It was probably the most beautiful era in human history. I agree to read any articles about this era, my cynically romantic soul longs for this. And I don't want to part with this era! And yes, there were ordinary street heroes. History has certainly preserved their names. Nikolay, thanks for the wonderful illustrations. love )))
                In France there have always been surprising boys like Evariste Galois, according to the occasion.
                1. Pane Kohanku
                  Pane Kohanku 11 February 2022 13: 04
                  +8
                  Stormy and beautiful!

                  I would not say, Lyudmila Yakovlevna, for the excellent ... recourse
                  It's just that we judge it from the point of view of beautiful paintings of classicism, or by the same beautiful films, where Napoleon is played by the handsome Armand Assante or the heroic Vladislav Strzhelchik... soldier




                  Beautiful music sounds, soldiers bravely go into battle, dance at balls between wars, etc. Oh yes, Lieutenant Rzhevsky is a huge success with the ladies! wink


                  But... I think those who lived in those days, it was absolutely no fun. Times, in general, were terrible. Like all wars, however. And the first fifteen years of the 19th century were continuous wars. request

                  The author Spaschansky writes interestingly - about Gatchina in the second half of the 18th century. He draws attention to the smells in the palace. And any ball is, excuse me, the smell of dozens of sweaty bodies ... hi
                  1. VLR
                    11 February 2022 13: 11
                    +12
                    And it must also be taken into account that, thinking about that era, all men imagine themselves, at a minimum, as guards lieutenants, heirs of fortunes, and women as languid princesses and countesses. And around - "lackeys, junkers." But the main part of the population of Russia (and in Europe too) did not even think about balls.
                    1. Pane Kohanku
                      Pane Kohanku 11 February 2022 13: 16
                      +5
                      But the main part of the population of Russia (and in Europe too) did not even think about balls.

                      Yes, everywhere. Dirty, unsanitary conditions, half of the newborns die. Crop failure - death. Bullet wound in the arm (in France) - amputation, after which half survives. Wounded in the stomach - death. The only core that enters the formation rushes through it, and collects dozens of the dead ... Most of all, as usual, civilians suffer - they do what they want with them.
                      All in all, not very fun.
                      People do not change. When they say that, they say, terrible means of destruction have been invented now - but what was it like in the Middle Ages? That's right, they converged wall to wall knee-deep in manure, and bludgeoned each other with whatever they had in whatever place they had. More humane? I doubt something. drinks
                      1. know
                        know 11 February 2022 13: 28
                        +4
                        And it's hard not to be surprised at the vitality of some individuals. Here, Oudinot, for example, who was called a "colander": any of his wounds, it seemed, could in those conditions end with blood poisoning and become fatal. But the people were strong. Probably, natural selection was still acting: 10 children were born in the family, five survived, but those who survived ran barefoot through the snowdrifts without any snot, no allergies, ate everything in a row - unwashed and dirty hands, worked 12 hours a day ...
                        One of the famous Soviet weightlifters (I don’t remember exactly the last name) said in an interview that, having become a champion, he came to visit his father in the village and decided to brag about his strength - along with the local men, he began to unload something there. Two hours later, he literally fell off his feet, and the village peasants - at least henna.
                      2. Pane Kohanku
                        Pane Kohanku 11 February 2022 13: 57
                        +4
                        Here, Oudinot, for example, who was called a "colander": any of his wounds, it seemed, could in those conditions end with blood poisoning and become fatal.

                        Junot was wounded several times in the head, which eventually killed him. You can also remember Mikhail Illarionovich Kutuzov. Twice wounded in the face, moreover, almost in the same place. what
                      3. 3x3zsave
                        3x3zsave 11 February 2022 13: 40
                        +5
                        But what was it like in the Middle Ages?
                        Yes. Do you still remember the myth about life expectancy in the Middle Ages ...
                      4. Pane Kohanku
                        Pane Kohanku 11 February 2022 13: 44
                        +5
                        Yes. Do you still remember the myth about life expectancy in the Middle Ages ...

                        I don't petr at all! How much approximately?
                      5. VLR
                        11 February 2022 13: 49
                        +7
                        The average duration is low, due to high infant mortality (one of the family members died before reaching the age of one year, the second - over 80, on average it turns out 40). But, given the life expectancy of those who lived to puberty, probably the same as now. At the same time, there were probably fewer frankly decrepit and disabled people - due to the fact that only the most healthy and strong had a chance to enter adulthood.
                      6. Mihaylov
                        Mihaylov 11 February 2022 14: 07
                        +3
                        Quote: Pane Kohanku
                        I don't petr at all! How much approximately?

                        According to the work of Bessmertny Yu.L. in the countries of Western Europe, old age in the 14th-16th centuries occurred between 50 and 60 years. The average age of the representatives of the Capetian dynasty in medieval France was 56 years. For the unprivileged classes in Western Europe at this time, the average age of death fluctuates within the age range of 30-34,9 years, but this, of course, taking into account the high infant mortality, which significantly reduced the average life expectancy. (Immortal Yu.L. "Life and Death in the Middle Ages" 1991) hi
                      7. Pane Kohanku
                        Pane Kohanku 11 February 2022 14: 15
                        +5
                        Colleagues, thanks for enlightening me!
                      8. Mihaylov
                        Mihaylov 11 February 2022 14: 18
                        +4
                        Quote: Pane Kohanku
                        Colleagues, thanks for enlightening me!

                        By the way, I remember there was some study on life expectancy, according to which the 18th century was a rather favorable century: the average life expectancy increased by 10 years, this is significant.
                        PS But this is from memory, maybe I lied something. hi
                      9. 3x3zsave
                        3x3zsave 11 February 2022 14: 33
                        +4
                        Let's just say that 60 years was not a limit even for the third estate.
                      10. Mihaylov
                        Mihaylov 11 February 2022 14: 50
                        +4
                        Quote: 3x3zsave
                        Let's just say that 60 years was not a limit even for the third estate.

                        Of course, individual individuals could even set records.
                        I remember a character from Russian history in the 17th century, one of the boyar children went hiking at the age of about 80 years old and only after 80 asked for a pension: they say he was tired and badly injured. hi
                      11. 3x3zsave
                        3x3zsave 11 February 2022 15: 06
                        +5
                        1351. Decree of the Castilian king Pedro I the Cruel "on compulsory work for all" from 12 to 60 years.
                      12. Mihaylov
                        Mihaylov 11 February 2022 15: 07
                        +3
                        Quote: 3x3zsave
                        on Compulsory Work for All" from 12 to 60 years.

                        Guess why he got the nickname "Cruel" wassat
                      13. 3x3zsave
                        3x3zsave 11 February 2022 15: 14
                        +4
                        Not for this. He went to power over corpses. When all competitors were destroyed, the king began to be called the Just. The measure I mentioned was caused by a shortage of personnel; less than half of the population remained in post-plague Castile, compared to pre-pandemic times.
                      14. Mihaylov
                        Mihaylov 11 February 2022 15: 19
                        +3
                        Quote: 3x3zsave
                        When all competitors were destroyed, the king began to be called the Just.

                        Those who called him "Cruel" are not left alive, the rest preferred to call him "Just"? wassat
                      15. Mihaylov
                        Mihaylov 11 February 2022 14: 11
                        +4
                        Quote: Pane Kohanku
                        Wounded in the stomach - death.

                        I remember Alexander Sergeevich.
                        Somehow I came across an interesting article about his treatment from the point of view of modern medicine. hi
                      16. Alexander Salenko
                        Alexander Salenko 15 February 2022 11: 02
                        +1
                        And some doctors threw rags on so that there was more pus in the wound.
                    2. Alexander Salenko
                      Alexander Salenko 15 February 2022 11: 01
                      +2
                      Of course, it is not a plowman to present himself to cows twisting their tails. So is chivalry and other times.
                      I wanted to say thank you for your work, I didn’t think that Marmont turned out to be so close to Bonaparte. so to speak, a discovery. Yes, and more famous generals are still mostly episodic, as the same Desaix is ​​usually remembered under Marengo and that's it, the same Junot in Egypt, talking about Josephine's betrayals, well, in a couple of episodes already of a military nature.
                  2. depressant
                    depressant 11 February 2022 13: 59
                    +4
                    Beautiful music sounds, soldiers bravely go into battle, dance at balls between wars, etc.


                    Oh no...
                    I am inspired by the slogans "Freedom, Equality, Fraternity!"
                    When else did it sound like this? But even then there was no "Justice!" Society was ready for beauty, but not ready for reason.
                    1. Pane Kohanku
                      Pane Kohanku 11 February 2022 14: 00
                      +5
                      I am inspired by the slogans "Freedom, Equality, Fraternity!"

                      These slogans then resulted in the massacre of the French by the French ... No.
                      1. VLR
                        11 February 2022 14: 09
                        +8
                        But, in the end, led to the current "vegetarian" times. There were still riots before these slogans - only "senseless and merciless." With the advent of new lrzungs, some meaningfulness appeared - not just to slaughter the count, but to plunder his estate, and then ... As usual, it has been customary since the time of the pharaohs. Of course, ideas are put forward by some, and implemented by others, who, in the old fashioned way (albeit with new slogans), are somehow more familiar and more fun. But something is changing.
                      2. depressant
                        depressant 11 February 2022 14: 37
                        +5
                        Massacre of the French by the French...
                        I would say: "Sir, you are boring!" wassat )))
                        Name at least one nation in which some would not slaughter others at least once. The redistribution of property relations is always carried out through the felling of heads.
                      3. Pane Kohanku
                        Pane Kohanku 11 February 2022 14: 39
                        +4
                        I would say: "Sir, you are boring!"

                        Why is it boring? They, just, were not bored, the guillotine worked like clockwork. The Sansons must have been pleased...
                      4. Mihaylov
                        Mihaylov 11 February 2022 14: 58
                        +3
                        Quote: Pane Kohanku
                        They, just, were not bored, the guillotine worked like clockwork.

                        By the way, Nikolai, how many are now guillotined during the French Revolution?
                        I remember that the figure was 16 thousand. hi
                      5. Pane Kohanku
                        Pane Kohanku 11 February 2022 16: 01
                        +2
                        I remember that the figure was 16 thousand.

                        I won’t say, honestly, Sergey ... I think Valery knows better.
                      6. depressant
                        depressant 11 February 2022 15: 19
                        +2
                        Sansons?
                        Who are you? I am Sanson!
                        Uh... Who is this? wassat )))
                      7. Pane Kohanku
                        Pane Kohanku 11 February 2022 15: 34
                        +4
                        Uh... Who is this?

                        Just something - a dynasty of Parisian executioners ... repeat
                        Who are you? I am Sanson!

                        After such an answer in those days, Sanson's opponent could go under himself. Involuntarily. Liquid. Lot. Quickly.
                        Sorry for the oxymoron. wassat
                      8. depressant
                        depressant 11 February 2022 15: 50
                        +3
                        After such an answer in those days, Sanson's opponent could go under himself. Involuntarily. Liquid. Lot. Quickly.

                        Amazingly imaginative! That's writing talent! good wassat )))
                      9. Pane Kohanku
                        Pane Kohanku 11 February 2022 15: 59
                        +3
                        Amazingly imaginative! That's writing talent!

                        I try, I try, Lyudmila Yakovlevna! yes so to speak, I hone different forms of writing! love
                        Oh, how well we had an argument with Mikhail last week. Shine! I don’t argue at all - but here there was just a mutually pleasant exchange of views. good
                      10. depressant
                        depressant 11 February 2022 16: 16
                        +3
                        Oh, how well we had an argument with Mikhail last week. Shine!

                        How, sir, I remember, I remember)))
                        So she said then: "Shine!"
                        I really like it when smart, knowledgeable men dive. Decoration of life! )))
                    2. Catfish
                      Catfish 11 February 2022 14: 52
                      +5
                      "Liberty!"

                      "Equality!"

                      "Brotherhood!"

                      Yes,
                      Society was ready for beauty
                      I agree. laughing
                      1. depressant
                        depressant 11 February 2022 15: 23
                        +3
                        Head cutting is ugly. But the felling of heads by the enlightened determines the greatness of the era and its beauty. Well, they destroyed the Indians or, say, the Zulus, and what is the beauty? wassat )))
                      2. Catfish
                        Catfish 11 February 2022 17: 35
                        +2
                        Head cutting is ugly.


                        Not always. laughing

                      3. depressant
                        depressant 11 February 2022 18: 26
                        +2
                        Not always. laughing

                        Kostya, my dear, as always - a joker and a prankster! ))
                        Thank you! good )))
                      4. Catfish
                        Catfish 11 February 2022 18: 33
                        +2
                        Always happy. Life is easier with a smile. smile
                      5. depressant
                        depressant 11 February 2022 20: 24
                        +4
                        Here's what I'm trying...
                        In fact, I often catch myself when I write comments, my mouth is up to my ears, I smile, imagining the faces of my friends!
                        I once wrote that we are all pixels on a screen. But now time has passed, and I feel that this is not at all the case. Everyone became close and even family to me. I suffer if normal communication does not work out. Psychologists say, they say, this is an addiction to a gadget. But then our whole life is dependent on auditory, visual and other sensations. The phone screen, without conveying much, sharpens the senses, replaces the lack of imagination, which means it develops other ways of perception. It's like deaf-blind people. They adapt so much that it is no longer possible to call their life flawed, inferior. Psychologists don't understand this. Haven't arrived yet wassat )))
                      6. Catfish
                        Catfish 12 February 2022 00: 21
                        +2
                        Psychologists don't understand this.


                        Psychologists, nevertheless, are people, it is difficult for them to keep up with the progress that is absorbed with mother's milk. laughing

                    3. vladcub
                      vladcub 11 February 2022 15: 12
                      +2
                      "reason" denies the need for hasty executions, but if so .... Let's get by
                      1. depressant
                        depressant 11 February 2022 15: 25
                        +1
                        Well, since you, Svyatoslav, have decided so, then yes! Have you already sent a message to the Kremlin? wassat )))
                      2. vladcub
                        vladcub 11 February 2022 18: 07
                        +2
                        I'm just writing: "Moscow, the Kremlin, Puffin
                    4. LisKat2
                      LisKat2 11 February 2022 15: 42
                      +3
                      "Not ready for Reason." Robespierre invented something related to the cult of Reason.
                      Approximately the same as in
                  3. Alexander Salenko
                    Alexander Salenko 15 February 2022 10: 57
                    0
                    I completely agree, of course, in childhood they attracted beautiful uniforms, but how can you imagine walking with these shakos, in these boots, which still need to be trampled on the leg. And medicine, the same French surgery, the survival rate was not bad, but just that the surgeon cut a limb without a twinge of conscience.
                2. Aviator_
                  Aviator_ 11 February 2022 21: 06
                  +1
                  In France there have always been surprising boys like Evariste Galois, according to the occasion.
                  It is, of course, true, and the article is about the commander, but it was worth mentioning the academicians taken by Napoleon on the Egyptian campaign - Berthollet, Monge ... And he left Laplace in Paris. And the unknown soldier who, while digging a trench, dug up the famous Rosetta stone with a text, deciphering which, Champollion was able to read the Egyptian hieroglyphs.
              2. parusnik
                parusnik 11 February 2022 15: 05
                +4
                And yet, we should be grateful to Marmont if he had organized the defense of Paris, the National Guard was ready to fight, a lot of blood would have been shed ..
                As they say, "you're not so bad, the one who sits in the pond" laughing
                1. depressant
                  depressant 11 February 2022 15: 40
                  +3
                  By the way, about numbers.
                  Attempts to estimate the number of deaths during the years of the revolution began already at the end of the 1752th century. The French journalist Louis - Marie Prudhomme (1830 - 1797), who was a participant and eyewitness to the events, in his six-volume work "A General and Impartial History of the Revolution", published in 18, named the following figures: 613 people were beheaded on the guillotine, died in the Vendée - 337 thousand, in Lyon - 31 thousand, in Nantes - 35 thousand, and also 1 thousand people died during the "September Murders" of 1792. However, some of these figures can be considered exaggerated, since the author treated the Jacobins with hostility. In 1793, he was even imprisoned for some time, on charges of sympathizing with the royalists, after which he left Paris.

                  Further, the number of dead was specified and, apparently, is still being estimated.
                  1. parusnik
                    parusnik 11 February 2022 15: 50
                    +3
                    Lyudmila Yakovlevna, I’m not talking about much else, Marmont, explained to Napoleon the surrender of Paris by the fact that its population and garrison did not want to defend themselves, although in reality it was not so.
              3. LisKat2
                LisKat2 11 February 2022 15: 32
                0
                I hadn't even heard of this La Rochejaquelin.
            2. LisKat2
              LisKat2 11 February 2022 16: 23
              +2
              Lyudmila Yakovlevna, it's just that society was not yet ready to change the power of the seigneur to the "power of the table"
  6. know
    know 11 February 2022 08: 58
    +6
    Then Junot said:
    “If these fellows (rebels) gave me command over them, how the members of the Convention would fly into the air with me!”

    What an interesting twist of history! The offended, ambitious General Bonaparte would probably, indeed, have dispersed the Convention. And, perhaps, he would not have become an emperor - at most, a marshal under a new constitutional monarch.
    1. vladcub
      vladcub 11 February 2022 12: 35
      +2
      "maximum, marshal" means the royalists "took care" of Napoleon's career
  7. Amateur
    Amateur 11 February 2022 12: 02
    +1
    These French people have strange ideas. The Corsican impostor, who ultimately led it to collapse, lost the army and allowed the capital to be occupied by foreign troops, is a national hero.
    The very concept of "Napoleonic marshals". They were the marshals of France, not the self-proclaimed emperor.
    But this is, after all, the business of the French. Perhaps they simply did not have more worthy leaders. recourse
    1. VLR
      11 February 2022 12: 36
      +8
      The term "Napoleonic marshals" has the right to exist, because Bonaparte's marshals were still somewhat different from the royal marshals. Under the kings, marshals were aristocrats with the highest military rank. And under Napoleon, the generals, having received the rank of marshal, became super-noble persons, "the cream of society", higher than the dukes. Junot, a friend of Bonaparte since the time of Toulon, for example, had the title of duke, but was not a marshal - and was considered lower than Jourdan, who received the title of count only in 1816 under Louis XVIII.
      The same Marmont, another bosom friend, Bonaparte also gave the title of duke, but he worried, slandered, envied, until he received the title of marshal.
      1. depressant
        depressant 11 February 2022 14: 09
        +4
        Marmont
        he worried, slandered, envied, until he received the title of marshal.

        For some reason, it seems to me that the coolness with which Marmont's parents reacted to Napoleon is to blame. No heart was shown. Felt superior in origin. Sometimes one sidelong glance, one careless word is enough to put an insurmountable barrier between people. Napoleon remembered. But Marmont did not understand. Because I did not pay attention to the subtle detail.
        1. VLR
          11 February 2022 19: 28
          +1
          Napoleon is a pragmatist, and there were marshals whom he personally, as people, really did not like - but he gave the title. He himself spoke about Jourdan on the island of St. Helena - they say, I treated him badly, but he, unlike others, did not betray. But he gave the title of marshal - Jourdan was on the first list. Macdonald the lover of Napoleon's sister
          became that Bonaparte was simply infuriated - he gave the marshal. And Marmont especially had nothing to give. Not bad, sometimes even a good general, but not a commander. He did not show himself too much in the war with Austria, about which in the next article. And Bonaparte was dissatisfied with him, but nevertheless awarded Marmont the rank of marshal.
  8. vladcub
    vladcub 11 February 2022 12: 32
    +3
    Valery, I remember you said that Kelerman taught Napoleon. In this case, is he familiar with Napoleon before Marmont?
    1. VLR
      11 February 2022 12: 46
      +5
      No, you are confusing something. Kellerman was the only royal general among Bonaparte's marshals, he was the oldest of the marshals, he was called "Nestor of the army", but Napoleon never served under him, and under Marengo, under Napoleon, not the future marshal, but his son.
      1. vladcub
        vladcub 11 February 2022 15: 08
        +1
        Someone taught mathematics and could teach Bonoparte?
        I got all these names mixed up, and there is no time to re-read now
        1. VLR
          11 February 2022 17: 33
          +1
          Pichegru did mathematics with Bonaparte! Who entered into an alliance with Kadudal, was extradited and, according to the official version, hanged himself in prison. On the island of St. Helena, Napoleon called him one of the most capable generals. But Pichegru was not Bonaparte's teacher, but a tutor.
          1. VLR
            11 February 2022 17: 39
            +1
            By the way, Napoleon is credited with proving the theorem:
            "If you build an equilateral triangle on each side of an arbitrary triangle, then the triangle with vertices at the centers of equilateral triangles is also equilateral"
          2. vladcub
            vladcub 11 February 2022 18: 27
            0
            Thanks for the tip. I don't know much about Peshigrew.
            Our young lady Katya (?)
  9. depressant
    depressant 11 February 2022 14: 20
    +4
    By the way, it's a fun fact.
    Napoleon fish can reach 200 kilograms in weight and 2 meters in length. You can't confuse such a giant in the sea. Just imagine, the cost of 1 kilogram of this fish meat on the black market exceeds 100 US dollars.
    1. VLR
      11 February 2022 14: 41
      +3
      I saw him in Sharks Bay. Of course, not two meters - probably 80 centimeters.
      In general, of course, the Red Sea is one of the most impressive sights. This,
      I think it was in Sharm El Maya.
      This is not Napoleon, in my opinion - a parrot, but a large one. But the largest of the tuna seen was in Ras um Sid - here it is, about two meters, it was a strong impression - when it suddenly swam out from behind the coral, almost a shark
    2. Mihaylov
      Mihaylov 11 February 2022 15: 00
      +5
      Quote: depressant
      By the way, it's a fun fact.
      Napoleon fish can reach 200 kilograms in weight and 2 meters in length. You can't confuse such a giant in the sea. Just imagine, the cost of 1 kilogram of this fish meat on the black market exceeds 100 US dollars.

      What fish? What are you talking about Lyudmila Yakovlevna?
      Napoleon is a cake!!! or cognac? however, I'm confused.
      Bourbon is definitely whisky! drinks
      1. depressant
        depressant 11 February 2022 15: 28
        +3
        The emperor was multifaceted! wassat )))
      2. Pane Kohanku
        Pane Kohanku 11 February 2022 15: 32
        +2
        Bourbon is definitely whisky!

        And American whiskey! yes
        1. Mihaylov
          Mihaylov 11 February 2022 15: 37
          +3
          Quote: Pane Kohanku
          And American whiskey!

          An interesting historical conflict turned out: Napoleon became cognac, and Bourbons - whiskey: they remained competitors! drinks
          1. parusnik
            parusnik 11 February 2022 16: 06
            +3
            Napoleon became cognac, and Bourbons became whiskey: they remained competitors!
            But also cake and pastry. Hence, from the sublimation-associations of childhood, the attraction to the indicated alcoholic laughing
            1. Pane Kohanku
              Pane Kohanku 11 February 2022 16: 09
              +2
              Hence, from the sublimation-associations of childhood, the attraction to the indicated alcoholic beverages

              Alexey Anatolyevich, they came in with trump cards - from the Good Doctor Sigmund Freud! laughing good Well, how after reading such a tirade - and not to drink?! drinks
              1. Mihaylov
                Mihaylov 11 February 2022 16: 15
                +2
                Quote: Pane Kohanku
                Alexey Anatolyevich, they came in with trump cards - from the Good Doctor Sigmund Freud! laughing good Well, how after reading such a tirade - and not drink?

                Greshen: my favorite cake is Napoleon, but I am indifferent to cognac.
                What happens if Napoleon is washed down with bourbon? the war will not start in the body? drinks
              2. parusnik
                parusnik 11 February 2022 16: 18
                +3
                Alexey Anatolyevich, they came in with trump cards
                - They are always in my sleeve laughing
                1. Pane Kohanku
                  Pane Kohanku 11 February 2022 16: 33
                  +2
                  - They are always in my sleeve

                  It is useless to play with you - cheat! laughing
                  1. parusnik
                    parusnik 11 February 2022 16: 37
                    +3
                    I do not advise individuals and legal entities to gamble, especially with the state, the latter will always overwhelm. laughing
    3. parusnik
      parusnik 11 February 2022 15: 28
      +3
      hi love Soon, all fish will be on the "black market" laughing And not only this one. Azov anchovy, under the ban on industrial fishing ... We eat the Black Sea anchovy and that expensive
      1. depressant
        depressant 11 February 2022 15: 46
        +3
        Alexey, so herring! Our herring is already under 300, its caviar is 1300! And anchovy - in tiny glass jars with rolled-up lids. A delicacy, however. The population is decreasing, but for some reason, in a strange way, the number of fish per capita does not increase.
        1. parusnik
          parusnik 11 February 2022 16: 01
          +5
          The French king Henry, who is the fourth, said that he wanted every peasant to have a chicken in a pot on Sunday. ... Chicken in those days was considered a very expensive product. Another, type "king", in our time and in Russia, said about the same thing, but about fish, though in a slightly different vein, they say it should become a cheap product, it's not for the French, for the Russians. laughing
          I remember that in our town, of course, under bloody totalitarianism, this Azov anchovy, it was just heaps: smoked, fresh, fried, frozen, the locals took it for fun, well, when Putin was on, lightly salted .. I remember .. like butter ..But apparently now, she emigrated laughing
          1. Mihaylov
            Mihaylov 11 February 2022 16: 08
            +3
            Quote: parusnik
            The French king Henry, who is the fourth, said that he wanted every peasant to have a chicken in a pot on Sunday.

            Once upon a time there was Henri the Fourth,
            He was a glorious king,
            Loved wine to hell
            But I was sober at times.
            He loved war terribly
            And fought like a rooster
            And in hand-to-hand combat
            One was worth two.
            hi
            1. parusnik
              parusnik 11 February 2022 16: 10
              +4
              Yes, he himself, and most importantly, still achieved that every peasant had a chicken in a pot on Sunday. smile
              1. Mihaylov
                Mihaylov 11 February 2022 16: 14
                +3
                Quote: parusnik
                Yes, he himself, and most importantly, still achieved that every peasant had a chicken in a pot on Sunday.

                I remember Hoover in his presidential company promised:
                "A chicken in every pot and a car in every garage"

                Then came the Great Depression... hi
                1. parusnik
                  parusnik 11 February 2022 16: 16
                  +5
                  Someone promised fish in Russia and bang, pandemic and other goodieslaughing
            2. Pane Kohanku
              Pane Kohanku 11 February 2022 16: 19
              +2
              We got ahead with the song, Sergey! drinks


              Sergey, pay attention to the lancer in the video!
              These are not Poles!

              In 1810, the 2nd Shevolezherny (Uhlan) Dutch
              the regiment, which began to be called the "Red Lancers". It consisted of hussars
              Dutch guard and became part of Napoleon's army.




              More pictures are here:
              https://www.liveinternet.ru/users/veralex/post244265383/

              However, the choice of filmmakers is surprising ... I just found out about them, for example, while I was looking for an answer in form.

              Have you decided not to offend the "allies" from Poland? ...
              1. Mihaylov
                Mihaylov 11 February 2022 16: 21
                +2
                Quote: Pane Kohanku
                We got ahead with the song, Sergey!

                Do smart people have the same thoughts? wassat
                1. Pane Kohanku
                  Pane Kohanku 11 February 2022 16: 35
                  +3
                  Do smart people have the same thoughts?

                  In our case, apparently, the magic of the surname. wassat
                  But really, why was the Dutch Lancers chosen for the film? I think that even in the Great Army itself, few people knew about them ... Unlike the Poles.
                  1. Mihaylov
                    Mihaylov 11 February 2022 16: 37
                    +2
                    Quote: Pane Kohanku
                    But really, why was the Dutch Lancers chosen for the film?

                    I don’t know, maybe the shape just seemed beautiful? hi
                    1. Pane Kohanku
                      Pane Kohanku 11 February 2022 16: 38
                      +2
                      I don’t know, maybe the shape just seemed beautiful?

                      It seems to me that the form then was beautiful for everyone. laughing
                      1. 3x3zsave
                        3x3zsave 11 February 2022 20: 05
                        +3
                        Yeah, especially the Austrians. Nanas, buckshot on the "light" battalion!
                      2. Pane Kohanku
                        Pane Kohanku 11 February 2022 20: 14
                        +2
                        Yeah, especially the Austrians. Nanas, buckshot on the "light" battalion!

                        I have a photo of a white tunic of an Austrian cavalryman. There you are in the background. drinks
                      3. 3x3zsave
                        3x3zsave 11 February 2022 20: 18
                        +2
                        I hope in "khaki"?
                      4. Pane Kohanku
                        Pane Kohanku 11 February 2022 20: 59
                        +2
                        I hope in "khaki"?

                        In what he was. tongue But definitely not in a thong with felt boots and a bow tie - a museum, all the same ... request bully
                      5. 3x3zsave
                        3x3zsave 11 February 2022 21: 06
                        +2
                        I'm really proud of myself! I'm embarrassed to ask: in the photo archive there is by chance no evidence of my adultery with ladies-in-waiting, governesses, cooks...?
                      6. Pane Kohanku
                        Pane Kohanku 11 February 2022 21: 32
                        +2
                        No, because during these adulteries I did not hold a candle! laughing
                      7. 3x3zsave
                        3x3zsave 11 February 2022 21: 37
                        +2
                        You are very lucky!
                      8. Pane Kohanku
                        Pane Kohanku 11 February 2022 22: 59
                        0
                        You are very lucky!

                        Of course, I expected to see, but you did not offer! request laughing I know, I know, you managed to seduce the vast majority of the ladies-in-waiting of the Small Court of Pavel Petrovich! good drinks Perhaps he even chased you around the park with a stick for it! wink

                        I glued a freshly tattered Japanese Ki-27 from ICM... I mean, I tried to apply decal stickers. This is the main Japanese fighter at Khalkhin Gol and beyond ... yes



                        What can I say.. Do you see the stripes on the body and fenders? So, all the stickers spread when wetting. fellow The quality of the model itself is also appalling. Of course, I covered the flaws as best I could, but still ... recourse
                        In general, Ukrainian manufacturing partners me personally big shat ... You can’t work like that! This can't release... No.
                        Tomorrow I'll ask Asya to take it off, put it on the forum - let Phil and Sergey see it. drinks
                      9. 3x3zsave
                        3x3zsave 11 February 2022 23: 16
                        +1
                        but you didn't offer!
                        You too. We are real friends! laughing
                        Do you see the stripes on the body and wings?
                        "You see the light of the parking lights,
                        White wings, secret signs?
                        Who are these guys that glue the models,
                        Winged creatures, made of white paper "(C)
                        No, I don't. I'm in love with another era.
                      10. Pane Kohanku
                        Pane Kohanku 11 February 2022 23: 23
                        +1
                        No, I don't. I'm in love with another era.

                        Knights? drinks Looked today historical articles.
                        Gatchina really exists at least since the 13th century - there was a settlement of the Izhors. Then, already in the 15th century, it was first mentioned as the village of Khotchino. drinks In the middle of the 18th century it belonged to Prince Kurakin. His son, Alexander Borisovich, the "diamond prince", was a great friend of Pavel Petrovich. Interestingly, when he came to Pavlov's patrimony, what was it like for him to look at the former papa's lands, sold for debts?...
                        Funny - Catherine twice bought Gatchina with the surroundings. The first time I gave it to Grigory Orlov, the second to Pavel. Prices for each purchase - very much vary! And they lived in the surrounding villages both times, mostly Finns! request I sent it to Michael, he knows. This is "his time" according to interests ... drinks
                      11. 3x3zsave
                        3x3zsave 11 February 2022 23: 30
                        +1
                        What, in afedron, knights? Got used, damn it, to look at the era through the eyes of Shpakovsky! As they were students of the sixth grade of high school, they remained!
                      12. Pane Kohanku
                        Pane Kohanku 11 February 2022 23: 33
                        +1
                        As they were students of the sixth grade of high school, they remained!

                        Let me buy you a fishing rod. Asya today discovered five (five, Carl!) cans of expired corn, still from our distant separate life. laughing What a bait! fellow We will go with you to roach and crucian carp ... Ask Sasha Asanov - he is a pro in roach. drinks
                      13. 3x3zsave
                        3x3zsave 11 February 2022 23: 39
                        +1
                        Let me buy you a fishing rod.
                        Don't teach "father" to fish! The best bait is an explosive pack!
                        Oh, you - "children of the corn" ...
                      14. Pane Kohanku
                        Pane Kohanku 11 February 2022 23: 43
                        +1
                        Don't teach "father" to fish! The best bait is an explosive pack!

                        The much-loved "Daddy", and there was no thought! belay I better go away... repeat while you're there... with the explosive package... fellow drinks
                        My uncle served in the Navy, on small anti-submarine warfare. While they were guarding the border, they had fun. Thrown from a motor boat RG-42, "tin can" - and all your fish. yes
                      15. 3x3zsave
                        3x3zsave 11 February 2022 23: 45
                        +1
                        Exactly!
                        "And you pour it and move away!" (WITH) laughing
                      16. Pane Kohanku
                        Pane Kohanku 11 February 2022 23: 47
                        +1
                        "And you pour it and move away!"

                        Talked. stop Now, I'll quietly deal with the worldview, and we'll meet. drinks
                      17. 3x3zsave
                        3x3zsave 11 February 2022 23: 50
                        +1
                        Come on! I swear with Shpakovsky more often than we meet! Really?
                      18. Pane Kohanku
                        Pane Kohanku 11 February 2022 23: 57
                        +1
                        Come on! I swear with Shpakovsky more often than we meet! Really?

                        Half a forum swears with our Penza writer, so what. laughing See you!
                        Have you noticed that we are no longer given minuses near Ryzhov? wassat
                      19. 3x3zsave
                        3x3zsave 12 February 2022 00: 01
                        +1
                        apparently, the "communists" have become smaller ...
                        No, psychiatry has improved.
                      20. Pane Kohanku
                        Pane Kohanku 12 February 2022 00: 03
                        +1
                        No, psychiatry has improved.

                        I couldn't, honestly. The Doctor's got seams. Well, you understand... Baldets, really, the noblest person - and everything is so bad... recourse
                      21. 3x3zsave
                        3x3zsave 12 February 2022 00: 06
                        +1
                        Alas, I know.
                      22. Pane Kohanku
                        Pane Kohanku 12 February 2022 00: 07
                        +1
                        Everything is very bad. With domestic medicine. Very. Sasha is an honest and principled person, he will not lie. I'm really sorry...
                      23. 3x3zsave
                        3x3zsave 11 February 2022 23: 57
                        +1
                        Ah, yes! We live in different countries: you are in Ygermanland, I am in Chukhna...
                      24. Pane Kohanku
                        Pane Kohanku 12 February 2022 00: 00
                        +1
                        Yah you. But nature is different. In some ways, the Neva is a division between Russia and Scandinavia. To the north of it - pines and sandy loam, to the south - loam and deciduous forests ... This is me, figuratively!
                      25. 3x3zsave
                        3x3zsave 12 February 2022 00: 04
                        +1
                        In some ways, the Neva is a division between Russia and Scandinavia.
                        "I knew you were a racist" (C) laughing
                      26. Pane Kohanku
                        Pane Kohanku 12 February 2022 00: 05
                        +1
                        "I knew you were a racist"

                        And you are a blond Viking, they say? laughing
                      27. 3x3zsave
                        3x3zsave 12 February 2022 00: 13
                        +1
                        Why blond? The lack of melanin is a recessive trait characteristic of closed ethnic groups of the Caucasoid type. The Normans were clearly not a closed group.
                        Yes, and I, rather, Vyatich.
                      28. Pane Kohanku
                        Pane Kohanku 12 February 2022 00: 24
                        +1
                        Yes, and I, rather, Vyatich.

                        Michael gave a more accurate resemblance... wink Although, as he says, he choked on brandy at the same time .. laughing



                        But for me personally, You are the noblest knight... Sincerely, Anton! good yes

                      29. Pane Kohanku
                        Pane Kohanku 12 February 2022 00: 34
                        +1
                        Yes, and I, rather, Vyatich.

                        Yes, you are a golden knight! (on right) drinks

                      30. 3x3zsave
                        3x3zsave 12 February 2022 00: 44
                        +2
                        I don't like Lannisters, and they don't like themselves either.
                      31. Pane Kohanku
                        Pane Kohanku 12 February 2022 19: 07
                        +2
                        I don't like Lannisters, and they don't like themselves either.

                        But they are the most charismatic! good And what a musical theme from House Lannister! drinks
                      32. 3x3zsave
                        3x3zsave 12 February 2022 19: 09
                        +2
                        From the word "harya"?
                      33. Pane Kohanku
                        Pane Kohanku 12 February 2022 19: 27
                        +2
                        From the word "harya"?

                        No, from what is most interesting.
                        I already gave you compliments. good
                      34. 3x3zsave
                        3x3zsave 12 February 2022 19: 36
                        +2
                        It is final, thank you! But now I have to love the "interesting" Lannisters? No, I don't mind, incest, it can be interesting, but once and without consequences.
                      35. Pane Kohanku
                        Pane Kohanku 13 February 2022 19: 03
                        +2
                        I do not mean it. Read the joke. You have qualities that I, in a way, admire. Good. You are brave, handy, knowing a lot of things. Always ready to help. Finally, you are simply - strong and courageous. In general, it is just right to place someone like you in chivalric novels, as a standard of measures and weights.
                        I am not kidding. I am proud that you are - the way you are.
                      36. 3x3zsave
                        3x3zsave 13 February 2022 19: 16
                        +3
                        "Oh, babonki! Such a man is lost!"
                      37. Pane Kohanku
                        Pane Kohanku 13 February 2022 19: 24
                        +2
                        Roughly speaking, yes! yes drinks
                        I’m going to blurt out under today’s Shpakovsky. It's not all about complimenting you... wink
                      38. 3x3zsave
                        3x3zsave 13 February 2022 19: 31
                        +3
                        Look, I have some kind of benefit today ...
                  2. Alexander Salenko
                    Alexander Salenko 15 February 2022 11: 19
                    0
                    Hardly enough, they are noticeable and I imagined them as such. I only thought that it was the French and not the Dutch, because when I first saw Waterloo, I was very surprised by the green uniforms. And the flags on the peaks of Polish flowers. It seems to me that the goal in the movie was rather to show diversity, this one, in principle, is replete with uniforms.
          2. depressant
            depressant 11 February 2022 16: 11
            +6
            Well, yes, they seem to be pushing away from the shore with hooks. She: Catch me, well, catch me! Eat me!
            And to her: go abroad!
            Here I am. Decided today! She walked 200 meters from the house, entered the outpatient clinics and ... finally got vaccinated!
            I went out and listened to myself. And I feel a stone in my stomach. I rushed home, but what if it becomes bad if I go to the store?!? Jumped up. And she started eating everything. Eh, herrings.
            And you know what? I have been in a lot of pain all these days. And then - as if removed by hand. The covid vaccine defeated something in me, but caused ineradicable hunger ...
            No, I do not want a Napoleon fish, but at worst - anchovy! And that little jar costs 160 rubles wassat )))
            1. parusnik
              parusnik 11 February 2022 16: 14
              +5
              In our market, Chernomorka, of course, is fresh and lightly salted 150 r kg, I took it .. I won’t take it again ..
              1. depressant
                depressant 11 February 2022 16: 22
                +4
                Well, yes, just right to breed!
                Dig a small pond in the garden and put a fish in it)))
                By the way, I used to have one...
                1. parusnik
                  parusnik 11 February 2022 16: 33
                  +3
                  Dig a small pond in the garden and put a fish in it
                  Yeah, "oats are now expensive" (c) in the sense of compound feed .. We have artificially grown fish, carp, carp, like beef, 350 r kg .. But I believe, "it will still be. The south wind will still blow, and he will still conjure spring, and the memory will be crippled "(c) And soar, tricolor, over the wreckage of the Capitol .. laughing laughing
            2. Mihaylov
              Mihaylov 11 February 2022 16: 20
              +3
              Quote: depressant
              No, I don't want Napoleon fish

              And you cognac-Napoleon try! drinks
              1. depressant
                depressant 11 February 2022 16: 51
                +3
                Unfortunately, the body does not accept alcohol, it turns the soul from the smell. Such is the natural misfortune. Some have traction, others have anti-traction wassat )))
                1. Mihaylov
                  Mihaylov 11 February 2022 16: 52
                  +2
                  Quote: depressant
                  Unfortunately, the body does not accept alcohol, it turns the soul from the smell. Such is the natural misfortune.

                  Then the last option remains - Napoleon cake! wassat
                  1. depressant
                    depressant 11 February 2022 18: 33
                    +5
                    Then the last option remains - Napoleon cake!

                    Not so long ago, Soldatov (there is such a colleague) ordered me sternly: “You, aunty, would have cooked jelly better!”
                    I got serious. It's not hard to push me. I bought what was supposed to be, and cooked that jelly for four hours. Then I ate for a week. Since then I hate jelly wassat )))
                    1. Phil77
                      Phil77 12 February 2022 05: 38
                      +2
                      Aspic is not bad in small quantities. But a week!? Yes. I would ... hate it too.

                      Good morning Lyudmila Yakovlevna!
                      And again, it's working for me. laughing
                      1. depressant
                        depressant 12 February 2022 12: 06
                        +2
                        Sergey Vladimirovich!!!
                        My dear! Accidentally discovered you! Here you tell me. Is it normal for the Sputnik-V injection site to swell, hurt, and itch? I am extremely irritated, my mood is at zero - damn it! Here and so they got sick of this war, and then there’s this damn injection, the body fights, does not accept. .. I thought I would prick and forget. Sergey Vladimirovich, answer!
                      2. Phil77
                        Phil77 12 February 2022 15: 41
                        +2
                        Personally. Personally, I didn’t have any pain or itching. In principle, such a reaction as you have to this “substance” is possible. For there are such reviews on this “act”. .". But this is my case. And so? Well, what can I say?" The roads we choose. "(C) bully
                    2. Mihaylov
                      Mihaylov 12 February 2022 17: 01
                      +1
                      Quote: depressant
                      Not so long ago, Soldatov (there is such a colleague) ordered me sternly: “You, aunty, would have cooked jelly better!”

                      I command: "Go make cognac, Lyudmila Yakovlevna!" (joking of course) drinks
            3. parusnik
              parusnik 11 February 2022 16: 22
              +3
              Azovochka was gone and dolphins could not be seen, hamsa, food base .. I remember this beauty, when dolphins hunted hamsa, drove it to the shore, and it was thrown away .. the shore seemed to be dotted with silver .. Normal, live anchovy, and not dead from flowering seas..
              1. Pane Kohanku
                Pane Kohanku 11 February 2022 16: 36
                +3
                live anchovy

                Hamsu yesterday saw in the store. In oil. Glass jar. I have never tried it - apparently, the southern analogue of our sprats?
                1. parusnik
                  parusnik 11 February 2022 16: 52
                  +5
                  No, any small fish goes to sprats .. Baltic herring, Black Sea sprat, Caspian, and anchovies, in Europe they call anchovies. But, what is the Azov anchovy and the Black Sea? As they say in our town, there are two big differences. Hamsa, a small Black Sea, because half-starved, our Azov one, unlike her, did not starve. The back is light gray .. and the taste is spice. you can see ... Interestingly, only not long ago I found out that our azovka-anchovy is theirs. A delicacy. And today they tell me that I was starving laughing I ate anchovies! With potatoes, onions .. laughing
                  1. VLR
                    11 February 2022 17: 15
                    +2
                    I recently read that the Far Eastern pelingas was acclimatized in the Sea of ​​​​Azov and supposedly took root well, 2 times more than it grows in the Japanese world. And also in Europe, it seems to be considered a delicacy. Is he really being caught now?
                    1. parusnik
                      parusnik 11 February 2022 18: 33
                      +6
                      They catch it, it got accustomed, but they sell "children" in the market ... They are not big, although it is much larger, I also remember that they didn’t touch it from the beginning until they tasted it ..
                      Now in the Sea of ​​Azov, as in Yeralash: There are no fish here and here, but who says that? The director of the stadium .. I’ll just say, in every puddle, there was fish, I’m not exaggerating a lot, but the truth .. I didn’t have to go anywhere .. I turned to the bridge, and there were canals, ponds .. Branches from the fish farm, and there what you want .. tench, rudd, ram, carp, goby, bream, something else, I don’t remember the local names already .. You go down to the river in the evening, put a drop, come in the morning for a catch .. You could get caught sturgeon .. Now, very sad. I remember how it was in a local newspaper that they wrote that the fishermen caught an eel .. No, I didn’t, but there was such a case, I even kept the clipping .. I was at school, on vacation in the summer, at the fish farm, I constantly worked part-time .. So that the ponds would not overgrown with reeds, in addition to the main fish, carp or sturgeon, silver carp and grass carp, lovers of reeds, were launched into the ponds, silver carp is local, carp imported, spread across estuaries and the sea, now they have been forgotten about. Silver carp smoked with logs in fish lay. Now , there is one, came in, almost cried. Our town, throughout the Union, was famous for fish .. When I went to St. Petersburg for advanced training and other courses. They asked where, answered .. Immediately oooh .. fish city .. Answered yeah, all the fish went to a distant cordon .. What is on the market they sell it, it’s not local .. Our canned fish, I worked on local products .. well, I also made hake in canned food in tomato .. by the way, it’s also local, I’m talking about tomato .. There’s a separate conversation about tomatoes. 10 varieties were sold on the market, now 3- 4, Turkish..Have you ever eaten black tomatoes? And there was such a variety, not very good for seaming, but for a salad ... mmm .. Our plant, in addition to black caviar, rolled pike .. Can you imagine how many pike there were .. A pike orderly of reservoirs .. A neighbor on the site, he will catch pike, yes which didn’t fit in children’s baths, grandmothers from the playground, sat down at the entrance, cleaned and cursed, damn it .. then they baked pies, and then they walked around two entrances, they took out the tables, they brought what they had .. Everyone had enough for both the plant and the rest .. And no one took money for fishing ... The sabrefish will go in shoals for spawning in April .. Everything with sabrefish, it’s true for an amateur, they waited for the end of the lessons and ran to the river to catch sabrefish .. pecked on a bare hook .. they took only a large one, taking small ones was considered indecent .. and they didn’t touch the caviar .. and didn’t watch the fishery .. In other words, it was a bad time, totalitarian, they lived very badly. Very. Not like now.
                      1. Pane Kohanku
                        Pane Kohanku 11 February 2022 20: 12
                        +2
                        Have you ever eaten black tomatoes?

                        Damn, you say so that drooling flows.
                        In other words, it was a bad time, totalitarian, they lived very badly. Very. Not like now.

                        We have the Kikenka River near St. Petersburg in the southwest. The river is now narrow. By the way, it is she who enters the Konstantinovsky Palace. My uncle was born in 1946, was born in Germany. So he used to go fishing on it as a child. He says there were three types of fish - pike, burbot and char. And at the end of the 60s, they built the Novoselye state farm nearby, they say, they poured something from the fields ... in general, there were no fish. For as long as I can remember, no one has fished in the river.
                        Well tell, Alexey Anatolyevich! I couldn't even catch a normal pike...
                        Here, in Staraya Russa in early October last year (not far from the house of our Fyodor Mikhalych Dostoevsky) I pulled a perch on a wobbler ... My joy knew no bounds!



                        Waiting for the ice to melt! drinks
                      2. parusnik
                        parusnik 12 February 2022 08: 29
                        +2
                        And in the late 60s they built a state farm Novoselye nearby, they say, they poured something from the fields
                        ..I don’t idealize, then the past, there was such an article in the regional newspaper: about the dangers of black caviar, if you use it, your eyes become cloudy and cataracts develop laughing but this is already the beginning of the 80s, year 82, but the fish was still there. The nightmare began in the 90s. there was no one, in ponds, canals, estuaries, they beat the fish with electric fishing rods, the estuaries stopped cleaning from silting, they did the same with the river .. We had a comet go to Kerch, along the river through the mouth, into the sea and to Kerch, right in the center. recreational, now, you can jump over the mouth, a delta has formed from small channels. There is private fishing, everything is for you, but when you don’t catch it, they say, well, you’re out of luck. The private owner does not care about breeding fish. And then, there were no places for spawning. The estuaries were shallowed, the Kuban did not spill, they were dressed in dams, construction was allowed off the coast. And there were no famous floodplains where the fish spawned .. Yes, fish farms were revived, but there were no more fish ... It needs to spawn somewhere, but there are no places .. The water flow to the Kuban has decreased, many rivers have dried up, cut down forest belts, forest areas, a lot problems .. And they are unlikely to be solved because people are needed, and people need to be paid, but there is no money, but you hold on, and people go into business and go .. There seems to be fish in roadside markets, but it is not ..
                      3. Pane Kohanku
                        Pane Kohanku 12 February 2022 19: 25
                        +2
                        Kuban barkoniers, uh, entrepreneurs, divided into sectors, catfish, sterlet completely caught, the same thing at sea .. fish farms went bankrupt, there was no one to restore the livestock, in ponds, canals, estuaries they beat the fish with electric fishing rods, the estuaries stopped cleaning from silting, with the river the same received.

                        Vore. Cunning, taking away, taking and sharing. Be friends with each other - mutual responsibility. Not to be planted.
                        That's the whole point of our "ilita" ...
                    2. Alexander Salenko
                      Alexander Salenko 15 February 2022 11: 26
                      +1
                      I won’t say anything about dimensions, but yes, we have it in the Sea of ​​\uXNUMXb\uXNUMXbAzov and fish are not rare on the table.
        2. Aviator_
          Aviator_ 11 February 2022 21: 13
          +3
          And anchovy - in tiny glass jars with rolled-up lids. A delicacy, however.
          Well, Lyudmila Yakovlevna, you still remember the ice one at 43 kopecks / kg. It was a very good fish, no scales at all. When I was young, we often ate in the hostel.
          1. Pane Kohanku
            Pane Kohanku 11 February 2022 23: 12
            +2
            You still remember ice at 43 kopecks / kg.

            Sergey, in St. Petersburg, frozen ice is for sale. I won’t say for the price, I don’t remember - I saw it, but didn’t buy it ...
            I remember that in the 90s blue whiting was the most popular - in the markets. what
            1. Phil77
              Phil77 12 February 2022 05: 41
              +3
              Good morning Nikolai!
              Expensive she is, this ice fish. As mine says: "half the wing of an airplane." bully
              1. Pane Kohanku
                Pane Kohanku 12 February 2022 19: 09
                +1
                Expensive she is, this ice fish. As mine says: "half the wing of an airplane."

                I saw it in Vkusvil. Mine especially does not favor pork (originally from Kabarda), more fish and poultry. Well girls are girls... drinks It seems that Vkusvil is a Moscow chain, isn't it? We have opened quite a lot in the last two years. yes
            2. Aviator_
              Aviator_ 12 February 2022 11: 22
              +1
              A couple of years ago, I also saw it in Auchan - it cost 800 rubles, more expensive than salmon, the same carp was there for 250. The entire fishing fleet, effective owners, had diarrhoea. They caught it, it seems, near Antarctica.
              1. Pane Kohanku
                Pane Kohanku 12 February 2022 19: 16
                +2
                The entire fishing fleet has had diarrhea, effective owners.

                Sergei, those who snatched up enterprises in the 90s are basically incapable of their development. Psychology is not... what Unfortunately - this is our "ilita". request They are all like that. Therefore, Elon Musk will fly to Mars, and we will screw up the last one. You and I are not "leaders." hi
                A couple of years ago I also saw it in Auchan - it cost 800 r, more expensive than salmon, the same carp was 250 there.

                And you can catch bream yourself! drinks My dearest dad lives in Kirishi, on the Volkhov, and goes fishing every day. He says, they say, if you do not fish, then you will definitely get drunk, because there is nothing more to do. wassat
                Passed a year and a half ago three bream. I gutted them, cleaned them, made transverse incisions along the body, and longitudinal incisions along the back. Sprinkled with lemon juice, salted - and in the oven.
                It turned out delicious. I didn't expect it myself. There is no smell. Yes, and small bones (with which the bream is so rich) - relatively boiled. drinks
                1. Aviator_
                  Aviator_ 12 February 2022 20: 19
                  +1
                  lives in Kirishi, on the Volkhov,
                  Well, it's not Antarctica, it's nearby. My mother was from the Far East, so she claimed that there was nothing better than freshly caught navaga. But her relative on winter fishing, took out a taimen.
                  This is the 50s on the Ussuri drinks
                  1. Pane Kohanku
                    Pane Kohanku 13 February 2022 19: 06
                    +2
                    But her relative on winter fishing, took out a taimen.

                    It was necessary to chip the hole from all sides! Well, the fish... belay
                    This is the 50s on the Ussuri

                    And in 1969, our beloved uncle Kostya, the Sea Cat, served on the Ussuri as the commander of the T-55! drinks True, in his drawings and the BTR-40 is present - KShM. yes
                    1. Aviator_
                      Aviator_ 13 February 2022 20: 18
                      +1
                      And in 1969, our beloved uncle Kostya, the Sea Cat, served on the Ussuri as the commander of the T-55!
                      Wow, time for a conflict with the Chinese! I then studied in Orenburg only in the 7th grade.
                      1. Pane Kohanku
                        Pane Kohanku 13 February 2022 23: 30
                        +1
                        Wow, time for a conflict with the Chinese! I then studied in Orenburg only in the 7th grade.

                        And I was still 13 years old and was not in the project. Ask around - Uncle Kostya will gladly answer!
  10. LisKat2
    LisKat2 11 February 2022 15: 23
    +4
    I wish you all good health.
    Valery, I missed good material. I hope to read something new soon.
    Valery, I read that they came up with the verb: "raguser", but ruguzada ?? Didn't read
  11. depressant
    depressant 11 February 2022 16: 01
    +2
    Compare portraits.
    Marmont 92 and later Marmont. This is just the case when a man becomes more attractive with age. I would prefer "late".
  12. 3x3zsave
    3x3zsave 11 February 2022 18: 49
    +5
    Few people remember Cassia now,
    Well, as if they remember those who are interested in Ancient Rome ...
    One thing is not clear to me, why Cassius, a native of a plebeian family, who has always (!) Been an ardent opponent of the principate, is considered a symbol of betrayal?
    Thank you, Valery!