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Is Russia ready for war with the West?

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The author was prompted to write this short review by the escalating crisis around and within Russia, accompanied by a frankly stupid propaganda campaign in the Russian media and Internet resources. Its main postulates are as follows: Putin again outplayed everyone, Russia gained economic and political independence, regained the status of a superpower that was lost after the collapse of the USSR, which is feared and seriously considered all over the world. At the same time, we are being sung mantras that rotten America is about to fall apart, that without Russian gas Western Europe will come to an end, and NATO is a colossus with feet of clay, whose vaunted Abrams and rusty F-35s are only good as exhibits in the park " Patriot".


Unfortunately, reality says otherwise.

Like the vast majority of Russian people, I consider the collective West to be our main mortal enemy, which has attempted to destroy our Motherland four times in the last hundred years alone (in 1917, 1941, 1991 and 2014).

The result turned out to be tragic: the once united and powerful state is going through a period of feudal fragmentation and wars, the united Russian people are artificially divided into “Russians”, “Ukrainians”, “Belarusians” and “Kazakhs”, who are violently pitted against each other, deprived of the meaning of life, physically destroyed socio-economic hopelessness, poverty and poverty, vodka and drugs, while populating the endangered lands with millions of newcomers.

So, is Russia ready for a war with the West under such conditions?

As you know, war is waged not by peoples, but by systems. Any nation without it is an unorganized and little capable crowd. The most pronounced embodiment of any system is the state, which is based on three pillars: society (the elite and the people having a common ideology and value system), the armed forces and the economy. And if one of these elements fails, the defeat of the state (and often the collapse of the entire system) becomes inevitable. To make it clear to the reader what is at stake, let's turn to examples.

As you know, in the ancient world, the Roman Empire reached its highest prosperity, military and economic power. But gradually its society lost its solidity. The elites are mired in luxury, laziness, debauchery and bestial struggle for power. The ideology and system of values ​​could not bear the burden of wealth, the confrontation between paganism and Christianity. Having lost the ideological support and the leading role of the elites, the people degraded, and with it the armed forces. The once mighty empire became decrepit and collapsed without much resistance under the onslaught of the barbarian invasion.

As a second example, let's take the confrontation between Germany and the USSR in 1941-1945, when two systems collided in a deadly struggle, having economies and armed forces approximately equal in power, as well as ideologies uniting the elite and society.

However, the all-destroying Hitlerite ideology of total revenge for the shame of Versailles and racial superiority over "Slavic subhumans" turned out to be beaten by the Russian ideology of social justice, love for the Motherland and friendship of peoples. We opposed the capitalist economic machine of the Nazi European Union with the planned economy system, which made it possible to distribute the available resources most efficiently under the slogan "Everything for the front, everything for victory!" The Soviet elite of that time (after the purges of 1937) became united with the people in the struggle for the future of the country. Her sons fought and died on the fronts of the Great Patriotic War along with the sons of workers and peasants. As a result, having withstood the terrible blow of 1941, four years later our great ancestors had already hoisted the Banner of Victory over the Reichstag.

And finally, let's take the late USSR. The economy and the armed forces of the country are in the world leaders, but the society turned out to be completely rotten. The communist ideology no longer inspired anyone, since after Stalin's death it turned from a powerful and inspiring movement towards social justice into a decorative screen that covered the parasitism of the Soviet elite. Having lost their ideological support and faith in the leadership of the country, the people turned into an inert mass, which the Soviet elite dutifully led to the collapse of 1991, and easily surrendered the great country to the collective West in exchange for entering the Western world as junior partners and a raw material appendage.

What do we see now? Let's analyze.

Society (elite, people, ideology)


The strength of the elites of the collective West lies in their control over the finances, the economy, education, the media and the secret services of the planet. Their obedient instrument is the European Union, NATO, IMF, UN, OSCE and other international structures. The only reason for the existence of these "independent" organizations is the strict implementation of those decisions that are made by the shadow masters of the world when discussing the world agenda in closed clubs and committees.

It is especially worth noting that members of global families are tough pragmatists who perform their actions with an extreme degree of cunning. The enemy is extremely dangerous for us and capable of doing anything to achieve his goals, which is confirmed by the collapse of tsarist Russia, the invasion of Hitler, the collapse of the USSR and the fierce civil war that began on Russian lands in 2014.

In favor of the Russian world is the fact that in recent decades, against the background of the general degradation of education and the destruction of the moral foundations of society, the political establishment of the collective West is formed from outright losers, perverts and boobies, like Trump, Merkel, Biden, Macron or Johnson. The emergence in its ranks of such strong figures as Roosevelt, Churchill, Hitler, Kennedy, Mussolini, de Gaulle or Franco became in principle impossible.

However, it is worth remembering that the real power of the collective West is concentrated in secret societies and organizations that have centuries of experience in political struggle and intrigue, powerful think tanks and a willingness to commit any crime. Under these conditions, Western presidents and prime ministers are nothing more than obedient puppets of the secret system. The last one who dared to rebel against her was US President John F. Kennedy, for which he was immediately shot by his own special services.

And what is the current Russian "elite"? Nothing. After all, it was formed on the betrayal and bloodshed of the collapse of a great power in 1917 and remained at the trough of power after the repeated betrayal of 1991. Unlike the elites of the collective West, the Russian "elite" is stupid, lazy, does not own the global agenda, is not able and does not seek to exert any influence on it. After the Crimea, she completely gave up the strategic initiative to the enemy and, writhing under the sanctions, since 2014 has been rushing around the expanses of the former USSR with buckets, hastily trying to put out the fires organized by her "Western partners" in Ukraine, Transnistria, Karabakh, Belarus and Kazakhstan. And at the same time, with its cannibalistic reforms, coronavirus and tax pressure against the common people, it is rapidly undermining the domestic political situation in Russia itself.

The explanation for these actions, paradoxical at first glance, has long been known - the vast majority of the Russian "elite" considers Russia not as the Motherland, with which its fate and future are connected, but as a raw materials appendage and periphery of the Western world. In recent years, to the anthems of patriotism and opposition to insidious America, 3% of Russian oligarchs and their numerous servants from among bank clerks and security officials have seized 57% of all property and 90% of all financial assets of Russia (cash, bank deposits, securities and etc.). The lion's share of this wealth has been transferred into the hands of foreign capital.

Can we win a war with such an “elite”, who have passports of other states in their pockets for a long time, and whose real estate, wives, children and mistresses are abroad? The answer is obvious...

The West has an overwhelming superiority over Russia not only in the intellectual level and experience of the elites, but also in human resources. Now there are 3,5 million military personnel in the NATO armies compared to about 0,9 million Russian. And if we add to this the armed forces of the European and Asian allies of the United States, hundreds of millions of young unemployed men of the capitalist and Islamic world, who speak English quite tolerably and dream of moving to the United States and Western Europe, then the picture for us is rather sad. The West can fight us, regardless of human losses.

And what about Russia?


And here's what.

As a result of the social catastrophe and extinction of the Russian people, in 2020 in Russia there are only… 14 million young men aged 20 to 34 years, while most of them use alcohol and tobacco products to one degree or another.

As a result, it is difficult to maintain the strength of the armed forces at the level of 900 thousand military personnel, of which the Ground Forces make up only a third. A little more time will pass, and instead of the healthy Russian society we need to survive, which is based on a family with numerous offspring, Russia will finally turn into a defenseless country of pensioners, women and migrants.

In ideological terms, superiority, again, is on the side of our enemies. The West is armed with a powerful (albeit completely false) ideology of democracy, which easily mobilizes the so-called "world community" to fight objectionable regimes and dictators in any corner of the world.

In Russia, the ideology of the Russian world is under an unspoken ban. No other ideology has been offered to the people by the Kremlin.

And how then will a soldier fight, knowing that while he is risking his life for his homeland, and his family is in poverty in the rear, oligarchs and various crooks are raging with fat, enrich themselves and practically openly work for enemies? We have already gone through all this in 1914.

Armed forces and economy


At least 75% of the world economy is controlled in one way or another by transnational corporations, the United States and its allies. That is, the West can use in a future third world war most of the world's industry, raw materials and labor resources of the planet. A well-developed logistics system and a huge merchant fleet will quickly link the world's industrial centers into a single whole.

All this will allow our enemies to set up the production of military products in the shortest possible time and flood the front with new tanks, aircraft, ships, artillery and ammunition. We already went through all this during the Second World War, when the USA, the USSR and Great Britain managed to secure overwhelming military and economic superiority over Nazi Germany.

There are no problems in the West with money either – the printing press is located there. NATO military spending already exceeds a trillion dollars. The US defense budget has long been over $700 billion, which is more than the military spending of all countries in the world combined.

Military-technical superiority is also on the side of the enemy.

For example, let's take fifth-generation fighters. The United States and its allies already have more than 500 of them, in Russia - a few. The fleet can not even be compared. The enemy is successfully modernizing its main tanks "Abrams", "Leopard" and "Challenger", investing gigantic funds in the development of advanced technologies in the field of weapons. More than 30 programs are being implemented in 6 main areas: hypersonic weapon, long-range cruise missiles, wireless high-speed control systems, digital battlefield, long-range artillery and MLRS, new soldier equipment.

The Russian army has also undergone modernization in recent years and confidently ranks second in world rankings. We are especially strong in the field of artillery and MLRS, electronic warfare, air defense and nuclear arsenal.

But the matter is being ruined by a lack of human resources, a weak and dependent on the West economy, which still cannot part with its raw materials status and is controlled by outright agents of the West. Any economic “sneeze” in the West immediately hits Russia with the “disease” of inflation, a decrease in the standard of living of the population and the curtailment of funding for social and military programs.

Conclusion


So, let's sum up.

Is Russia ready for war with the West?

No, not ready. We have a stupid and corrupt "elite", a weak economy dependent on the West, very little money and human resources. And most importantly, there is no ideology and image of the future.

Consequently, in order to win (and in the current conditions it is to preserve Russian statehood under the pressure of the collective West), we need a nationally oriented and state-minded elite, an economic policy aimed at strengthening the state, reviving education, healthcare and the social sphere.

This will put an end to the extinction of the people, while simultaneously increasing its birth rate, cultural and technical education. It is necessary to carry out a new large-scale industrialization and the revival of the Russian village, which will ensure the technical and food security of the country.

The strategy (image of the future) of uniting Russia, Ukraine and Belarus into a single state, gathering the Russian people forcibly divided by the events of the last century, and building Russian society on the basis of social justice should become the state ideology.

But since none of the above is done, or is done reluctantly and carelessly, any war will inevitably lead us first to a crisis, then an explosive growth of accumulated problems and inevitable defeat, which happened to Russia during the Russo-Japanese War or the First World War. XX century.
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  1. Proton
    Proton 8 February 2022 15: 06
    +39
    One can partly agree with the author. As much as many would not like, but today we have a lot of internal problems. And the solution of these problems at the expense of a small victorious war can end in disaster.
    But in any case, we must remember that in a war there are always 2 sides - some losers, and others dead.
    And throwing hats on the enemy may not work.
    1. Uncle lee
      Uncle lee 8 February 2022 15: 25
      +22
      there is no ideology and image of the future.
      And so far it is not planned ... And everything else is a soap bubble, unfortunately ....
      1. Andrey Yuryevich
        Andrey Yuryevich 8 February 2022 15: 28
        +27
        As you know, war is waged not by peoples, but by systems.
        systems begin .. and people lead.
    2. Aag
      Aag 8 February 2022 16: 09
      -22
      Quote: Proton
      One can partly agree with the author. As much as many would not like, but today we have a lot of internal problems. And the solution of these problems at the expense of a small victorious war can end in disaster.
      But in any case, we must remember that in a war there are always 2 sides - some losers, and others dead.
      And throwing hats on the enemy may not work.

      A plus...
      You can agree (IMHO) with most (!) of the Author's theses .... Only now ... horses in the middle ... And now, it seems - such a moment. Maybe specially designed ... Anyway, - not easier.
      "... in any case, we must remember that in a war there are always 2 sides - some losers, and others dead ...."
      It seems that in the current plans of the adversary, it means something else ... --- well, even so, sorry, - according to Their plans, Russia will fall, or, "lie down" ... But! China will not give up its piece of this "pie" just like that! (water, timber, gas, part of the oil, preserved infrastructure ..).
      ...God! What am I writing about? ... Nifigase - reality pushed!
      Haters who do not argue their posts, please do not disturb ...
      hi
      1. Proton
        Proton 8 February 2022 16: 40
        0
        I agree with your thesis about the crossing.
        Indeed, at the moment we are (or have we already been?) in zugzwang. And you can’t change horses (although they are already exhausted and barely pulling) and the economy with demographics, to put it mildly, does not inspire optimism.
        About a specially created moment. Let me share one observation. Over the past 200 years (actually even more) of our history, approximately every 40 years (and this is not a simple figure!) Our country has been pushed into disasters:
        - 1812 - Patriotic War;
        - 1853÷1856 - Crimean War;
        - 1905÷1917 - revolutions, WWI;
        - 1941 - WWII;
        - 1985÷1991 - the collapse of the Union.
        Formally, Russia emerged victorious from almost all these cataclysms. But! On each of these dates, many Russian people died in wars, from starvation. They even simply had to leave their homeland. Often not the worst people died. They systematically tried and are trying to destroy our nation.
        I would not like to continue this list.
        1. Aag
          Aag 8 February 2022 16: 56
          -2
          Quote: Proton
          I agree with your thesis about the crossing.
          Indeed, at the moment we are (or have we already been?) in zugzwang. And you can’t change horses (although they are already exhausted and barely pulling) and the economy with demographics, to put it mildly, does not inspire optimism.
          About a specially created moment. Let me share one observation. Over the past 200 years (actually even more) of our history, approximately every 40 years (and this is not a simple figure!) Our country has been pushed into disasters:
          - 1812 - Patriotic War;
          - 1853÷1856 - Crimean War;
          - 1905÷1917 - revolutions, WWI;
          - 1941 - WWII;
          - 1985÷1991 - the collapse of the Union.
          Formally, Russia emerged victorious from almost all these cataclysms. But! On each of these dates, many Russian people died in wars, from starvation. They even simply had to leave their homeland. Often not the worst people died. They systematically tried and are trying to destroy our nation.
          I would not like to continue this list.

          I agree ...hi
          Except, perhaps, one: "... Often not the worst people died ... "
          I hope it's just a bad idea. hi
          1. Proton
            Proton 8 February 2022 17: 03
            +10
            Perhaps not quite correctly expressed.
            I wanted to say this with this phrase - first of all, people with high moral principles stand up to defend the Fatherland, they cannot afford to hide behind their backs and sit in the rear. And often, they are the first to die.
            1. Aag
              Aag 9 February 2022 14: 34
              +2
              Quote: Proton
              Perhaps not quite correctly expressed.
              I wanted to say this with this phrase - first of all, people with high moral principles stand up to defend the Fatherland, they cannot afford to hide behind their backs and sit in the rear. And often, they are the first to die.

              Yes, that's exactly what I mean. hi
              ... In general, I would really like to understand who, and most importantly why, is minus ?! (If it's not difficult, please take a look at our comments). After all, he asked: "... Hat throwers who do not argue their posts, please do not disturb ..."
              ... And they immediately "responded"!))): "-17"! And not a single comment, objection, argument !!! hi
              1. Proton
                Proton 9 February 2022 16: 47
                +1
                I also noticed yesterday that someone was diligently minus.
                Unfortunately, I can’t watch it - I’m watching from a tablet, I’m on a business trip myself.
                I can only "+" from myself to help.
                hi
              2. Alex777
                Alex777 9 February 2022 17: 53
                -2
                I completely disagree with the author.
                IMHO, he does not understand anything about what he wrote.
                To give just one example of fatal thoughtlessness:
                All this will allow our enemies to set up the production of military products in the shortest possible time and flood the front with new tanks, aircraft, ships, artillery and ammunition. We already went through all this during the Second World War, when the USA, the USSR and Great Britain managed to secure overwhelming military and economic superiority over Nazi Germany.

                Nobody will do any of this. We live in another world.
                During the Second World War, there was neither globalism, nor the PRC, nor the SNF.
                The author completely rejects this in his reasoning.
                Therefore, all these arguments of his are empty and meaningless.
                A set of mossy stamps from Mr. Zyuganov's propaganda...
                As for what you said about the horses and the crossing.
                The crisis in the States (over which the author laughs) is so
                serious that he is forcing the States to do what is completely
                recently seemed impossible. Evacuation from Afghanistan to
                this list. Pushing Ukraine to war - of course
                too. And we don't have to choose. Or we'll defend the country
                or foreign countries, foreign oligarchs (rich and fattening)
                will solve their problems at the expense of us. Russians. hi
                1. victor50
                  victor50 9 February 2022 19: 00
                  +8
                  Quote: Alex777
                  forces the States to do what is completely
                  recently seemed impossible.

                  There was also a very similar evacuation from Vietnam. And quite recently by historical standards. Or did you choose a different starting point for "recently"?. But America did not fall apart after Vietnam, and fought in Afghanistan, and in Iraq, and in Syria, doing what it sees fit, not really looking back at anyone. We also left Afghanistan.
                  1. Alex777
                    Alex777 9 February 2022 19: 12
                    +1
                    Quote: victor50
                    There was also a very similar evacuation from Vietnam.

                    There was a specific reason - a lost war.
                    And then the United States did not have unsustainable debts.
                    And Russia and China together supported S. Vietnam.
                    In Afghanistan, everything was exactly the opposite.

                    But America didn't fall apart after Vietnam...

                    So what? What do you know about the state of America?
                    I lived there for a long time, my friends are still there.
                    The states have changed tremendously in recent years.
                    20 years. Changed beyond recognition. I know. hi
                    1. Shahno
                      Shahno 9 February 2022 19: 16
                      +2
                      In what direction have they changed?
                      1. Alex777
                        Alex777 9 February 2022 19: 21
                        +2
                        In bad. Have you heard of Detroit?
                        There now Detroit - everywhere. Albeit to varying degrees.
                        The withdrawal of production from the States led to the collapse of the infrastructure, which was supported by taxes from local budgets.
                        No wonder Biden wants to invest more than a trillion
                        in infrastructure rehabilitation. No other way.
                      2. Momento
                        Momento 10 February 2022 21: 27
                        +2
                        this is some bullshit. the standard of living in the states has improved tremendously over the past ten years.
                        Now a programmer with five years of experience earns around $300 a year. and 10 years ago it was around $75 thousand. it's fucking cheap money.
                      3. Alex777
                        Alex777 11 February 2022 00: 03
                        0
                        I have lived in the States for >9 years. Under a hundred friends
                        they regularly tell me "news from the fields" from there.
                        And you think what you want. It's your right.
                        I can say one thing - the States are not only from
                        programmers consist. I know for sure. wink

                        https://inosmi.ru/20220128/krakh-252761788.html
                    2. victor50
                      victor50 9 February 2022 19: 19
                      +5
                      Quote: Alex777
                      What do you know about the state of America?
                      I lived there for a long time, my friends are still there.
                      The states have changed tremendously in recent years.
                      20 years. Changed beyond recognition. I know.

                      I don't think less than you. And what if they changed? Poverty, wretchedness, stagnation, backwardness in technology, falling birth rates, rising death rates, declining population numbers, no one is emigrating there, no one is striving? What are the benefits of these changes for us?
                      1. Alex777
                        Alex777 9 February 2022 19: 32
                        +1
                        Quote: victor50
                        What are the benefits of these changes for us?

                        Completely wrong question.
                        I'm not happy that there are problems in the States.
                        But I understand that they will not solve these problems on their own.
                        Previously, to solve problems of this magnitude,
                        usually started wars.
                        I clearly understand that the States need to rob someone.
                        By the way, 2% of the military budget and purchases in the States -
                        this is just the first sign. Premier League in Australia
                        one. Uncoupling Europe from our cheap gas
                        - from the same category. Those who have eyes, let them see.
                        And our task is to make sure that we do not become the victim at the expense of which the United States will be saved.
                        In this case, everyone will get stuck. And communists, and nationalists, and Slavophiles, and Orthodox and
                        Muslims.
                        And yes, in order to break us, we must separate us. hi
                      2. victor50
                        victor50 9 February 2022 19: 37
                        +3
                        Quote: Alex777
                        I'm not happy that there are problems in the States.
                        But I understand that they will not solve these problems on their own.

                        So what are these problems? Why don't they solve them on their own? Robbing the weak is also a solution to the problem, isn't it?!
                        Quote: Alex777
                        And our task is not to become the victim at whose expense
                        the US will be saved.

                        I definitely agree with this. Now - at any cost, in the future - so that no one can even think of us as a possible victim.
                      3. Alex777
                        Alex777 9 February 2022 19: 45
                        +2
                        Quote: victor50
                        So what are these problems? Why don't they solve them on their own?

                        Eh ... Well, you know about the national debt of 30 trillion?
                        Look at the public debt to J. Bush Jr.
                        In 2000 it was 5,6 trillion. All presidents wanted
                        reduce the public debt, but everything-only increased.
                        Real inflation for 2021 is estimated at 20%.
                        Therefore, Biden swearing to the journalist who asked.
                        The fall in industrial production, respectively, by 6%.
                        In the West, as much as 27 trillion of money was printed just like that.
                        Well, it started.
                        If you are seriously asking - read the literature.
                        I alone cannot describe everything to you.

                        https://iz.ru/1285719/oksana-belkina/bolshaia-skupka-chem-grozit-ostanovka-pechatnogo-stanka-v-ssha

                        https://inosmi.ru/20220128/krakh-252761788.html
                2. Aag
                  Aag 9 February 2022 19: 39
                  +2
                  Quote: Alex777
                  I completely disagree with the author.
                  IMHO, he does not understand anything about what he wrote.
                  To give just one example of fatal thoughtlessness:
                  All this will allow our enemies to set up the production of military products in the shortest possible time and flood the front with new tanks, aircraft, ships, artillery and ammunition. We already went through all this during the Second World War, when the USA, the USSR and Great Britain managed to secure overwhelming military and economic superiority over Nazi Germany.

                  Nobody will do any of this. We live in another world.
                  During the Second World War, there was neither globalism, nor the PRC, nor the SNF.
                  The author completely rejects this in his reasoning.
                  Therefore, all these arguments of his are empty and meaningless.
                  A set of mossy stamps from Mr. Zyuganov's propaganda...
                  As for what you said about the horses and the crossing.
                  The crisis in the States (over which the author laughs) is so
                  serious that he is forcing the States to do what is completely
                  recently seemed impossible. Evacuation from Afghanistan to
                  this list. Pushing Ukraine to war - of course
                  too. And we don't have to choose. Or we'll defend the country
                  or foreign countries, foreign oligarchs (rich and fattening)
                  will solve their problems at the expense of us. Russians. hi

                  I admit - I agree with most of your comments on this resource.
                  As for the last comment...
                  "... Or we will defend the country,
                  or foreign countries, foreign oligarchs (rich and fattening)
                  will solve their problems at the expense of us. Russians..."
                  Excuse me, it will be more pleasant for you if Your oligarchs ... continue to do the same thing? (No, well, by inertia, I am also for "their own"))) ... :, - To whom will you give your last shirt, skin, to? Evil Uncle Sam (I'm against it, because I know a little history, I remember), or "countrymen", well, "a little" dirty, not quite "ours", but speaking -Russian (these are even more disgusting to me - they mimic under their own!) ...
                  Somehow, colleague ... ((( hi
                  1. Alex777
                    Alex777 9 February 2022 20: 15
                    +7
                    Quote: AAG
                    I admit - I agree with most of your comments on this resource.

                    Mutually.

                    Quote: AAG
                    Don’t you find - that we are stupidly put (so far) before a choice: - Who will you give your last shirt, skin to? Evil Uncle Sam (I’m against it, because I know a little about history, I remember), or “compatriots”

                    Absolutely not.
                    It was not our "oligarchs" who organized the fascist coup in Kiev, although Yanukovych was ready to leave peacefully.
                    But it was necessary that blood be shed and there was a shooting on Khreshchatyk. It's not our shot?! Poroshenko and Parubiy.
                    It is not our "oligarchs" who supply weapons to Bandera.
                    This year alone, by $1,5 billion. Etc.
                    I've written a lot on this thread. See if you have time.
                    IMHO, the States are planning to rob Europe to solve their problems. To do this, they bring down cooperation between Europe and Russia. Through sanctions.
                    Moreover, by and large, it does not matter to them what they are introduced for.
                    If only gas, weapons, anything, they bought from them, and not from us and not from China.
                    The states lost the competition in the system they themselves created. Now they are trying to "flip the board". Sanctions.
                    "Our oligarchs" do not need all this for nothing, but the hegemon has overstrained itself and is looking for a victim to restore its strength.
                    I am categorically against Russia becoming a victim.
                    At least directly, at least indirectly (through drawing us into a conflict with Europe).
                    And the most interesting question is how do we get out of all this in the right way. hi
                    1. Aag
                      Aag 9 February 2022 20: 41
                      +2
                      Quote: Alex777
                      Quote: AAG
                      I admit - I agree with most of your comments on this resource.

                      Mutually.

                      Quote: AAG
                      Don’t you find - that we are stupidly put (so far) before a choice: - Who will you give your last shirt, skin to? Evil Uncle Sam (I’m against it, because I know a little about history, I remember), or “compatriots”

                      Absolutely not.
                      It was not our "oligarchs" who organized the fascist coup in Kiev, although Yanukovych was ready to leave peacefully.
                      But it was necessary that blood be shed and there was a shooting on Khreshchatyk. It's not our shot?! Poroshenko and Parubiy.
                      It is not our "oligarchs" who supply weapons to Bandera.
                      This year alone, by $1,5 billion. Etc.
                      I've written a lot on this thread. See if you have time.
                      IMHO, the States are planning to rob Europe to solve their problems. To do this, they bring down cooperation between Europe and Russia. Through sanctions.
                      Moreover, by and large, it does not matter to them what they are introduced for.
                      If only gas, weapons, anything, they bought from them, and not from us and not from China.
                      The states lost the competition in the system they themselves created. Now they are trying to "flip the board". Sanctions.
                      "Our oligarchs" do not need all this for nothing, but the hegemon has overstrained itself and is looking for a victim to restore its strength.
                      I am categorically against Russia becoming a victim.
                      At least directly, at least indirectly (through drawing us into a conflict with Europe).
                      And the most interesting question is how do we get out of all this in the right way. hi

                      Again, I see no reason, fundamental, to disagree with your opinion. hi
                      However, there is some misunderstanding (at least on my part): the volume of trade between the Russian Federation and UR seems to exceed the cost of weapons supplied by the "collective" West to (to) Ukraine ...
                      ...Sorry, -timezones, - to work soon...
                      I hope to continue communication. hi
                      1. Alex777
                        Alex777 9 February 2022 20: 49
                        +3
                        Quote: AAG
                        However, there is some misunderstanding (at least on my part): the volume of trade between the Russian Federation and UR seems to exceed the cost of weapons supplied by the "collective" West to (to) Ukraine ...

                        There are always reasons, even if we don't know about them.
                        Offhand, where does VSMPO-AVISMA get it from?
                        their work most of the raw materials? From there.
                        We need to fulfill contracts and build the Tu-160M2.
                        The oligarchs have nothing to do with it IMHO. yes
                      2. Aag
                        Aag 9 February 2022 21: 14
                        0
                        Quote: Alex777
                        Quote: AAG
                        However, there is some misunderstanding (at least on my part): the volume of trade between the Russian Federation and UR seems to exceed the cost of weapons supplied by the "collective" West to (to) Ukraine ...

                        There are always reasons, even if we don't know about them.
                        Offhand, where does VSMPO-AVISMA get it from?
                        their work most of the raw materials? From there.
                        We need to fulfill contracts and build the Tu-160M2.
                        The oligarchs have nothing to do with it IMHO. yes

                        "... The oligarchs have nothing to do with it ..."
                        Come on! Loot, there is interest, but not interested?
                        The problem is different, IMHO, - the oligarchy is becoming trans-continental ... Globalization ... In the upper, financial, raw materials echelons ... These are not yellow vests for you in France ... Everything is more serious, larger ...
                        I would like not to believe in the global behind the scenes - but it hurts a lot of reasons ...
                      3. Alex777
                        Alex777 9 February 2022 21: 20
                        +3
                        Come on! Loot, there is interest, but not interested?

                        VSMPO-AVISMA is a huge enterprise.
                        We don't need it to stand up. Is not it so?

                        Quote: AAG
                        These are not yellow vests in France ...

                        The yellow vests were paid for by a specific French oligarch who first brought Macron to power and then wanted to force him to do what was agreed upon before the elections.

                        Quote: AAG
                        I would like not to believe in the global behind the scenes - but it hurts a lot of reasons ...

                        Well, read from my "collection":

                        https://iz.ru/news/339916
                        http://kolokolrussia.ru/geopolitika/putin-sorval-v-sirii-plan-ekonomicheskogo-udusheniya-rossii?utm_source=target
                        https://www.mk.ru/social/article/2013/09/30/923015-raskryita-tayna-samoleta-s-20-000-000-000-evro-na-bortu.html
                        https://topwar.ru/95159-es-vsegda-byl-proektom-cru-the-telegraph-uk-velikobritaniya-.html

                        I hope it will be interesting. hi
                      4. Aag
                        Aag 9 February 2022 21: 44
                        0
                        Quote: Alex777
                        Come on! Loot, there is interest, but not interested?

                        VSMPO-AVISMA is a huge enterprise.
                        We don't need it to stand up. Is not it so?

                        Quote: AAG
                        These are not yellow vests in France ...

                        The yellow vests were paid for by a specific French oligarch who first brought Macron to power and then wanted to force him to do what was agreed upon before the elections.

                        Quote: AAG
                        I would like not to believe in the global behind the scenes - but it hurts a lot of reasons ...

                        Well, read from my "collection":

                        https://iz.ru/news/339916
                        http://kolokolrussia.ru/geopolitika/putin-sorval-v-sirii-plan-ekonomicheskogo-udusheniya-rossii?utm_source=target
                        https://www.mk.ru/social/article/2013/09/30/923015-raskryita-tayna-samoleta-s-20-000-000-000-evro-na-bortu.html
                        https://topwar.ru/95159-es-vsegda-byl-proektom-cru-the-telegraph-uk-velikobritaniya-.html

                        I hope it will be interesting. hi

                        Thank you.
                        I don’t know yet what VSMPO-AVISMA is, but are you sure that it will help the people of the Russian Federation? ... That these are not the interests of individuals? How often this happens with us. But it turns out later (Deripaska, who merged two industries - aluminum, the energy of the Angara region ... Which was heroically erected, created by the current countrymen who now live in retirement close (+ -) to the subsistence level ...
                        And you say ... oligarchs - not that coat.
                        .Thanks for the links, I'll look later - soon to work ...
                      5. Alex777
                        Alex777 9 February 2022 23: 57
                        +3
                        Mission of VSMPO-AVISMA Corporation

                        Maximum satisfaction of the needs of Russian and foreign customers in high-quality and competitively priced products made of titanium, aluminum alloys and other materials for use in aerospace, shipbuilding and underwater exploration, energy, transport, natural resource extraction, armor protection, chemical engineering, air purification and water, medicine, sports and leisure.

                        https://www.vsmpo.ru/ru/
                      6. Aag
                        Aag 10 February 2022 15: 08
                        +1
                        Quote: Alex777
                        Mission of VSMPO-AVISMA Corporation

                        Maximum satisfaction of the needs of Russian and foreign customers in high-quality and competitively priced products made of titanium, aluminum alloys and other materials for use in aerospace, shipbuilding and underwater exploration, energy, transport, natural resource extraction, armor protection, chemical engineering, air purification and water, medicine, sports and leisure.

                        https://www.vsmpo.ru/ru/

                        Reviewed it. Good intentions ... - as always ... As it is, it will be in reality, - another question! In the end, the vast majority of fellow citizens perceived Perestroika with enthusiasm. We drank the result, - mother don’t cry, - and we will still rake (if the situation is favorable ...) for a very long time. We will definitely not live to see it ... It’s a shame in front of the children ... Or we could not defend the correct vector of development Our state, or they "betrayed" our values ​​... In any case, it turns out that we are to blame, we didn’t educate, we didn’t defend ...
                        "Ashes-head" ... I don't know ... Based on the results, there is something to reproach for (to put it mildly). But they worked hard, served, tried ... (((
                      7. Alex777
                        Alex777 10 February 2022 15: 24
                        +1
                        Quote: AAG
                        Either we could not defend the correct vector of development of Our state, or they "betrayed" our values ​​... In any case, it turns out that they are to blame

                        I feel a little better in this case... wink
                        After he decided to be baptized, at the age of 46.
                        Now, everything that happens is a test.
                        And we need to pass the test with dignity.
                        To each - in his life, together - in the country. hi
                      8. Aag
                        Aag 10 February 2022 15: 47
                        +2
                        Hmm. Understand. He was baptized with his first daughter in 89...
                        Specially from a new line - current
                        "Servants" of the TsPK (parochial church cult) evoke similar emotions ... as to oligarchs, Duma members ... (I hope there are others, different from those with whom I had to deal, communicate ...)
                        In general, I think - any Faith has acquired occultism, politics, "business" (look at the brisk trade in churches (!), - sickening ...).
                        IMHO - there is one God - Nature! He will judge everyone ... Harsh? Yes, not bloody, but most importantly, rational than disassembly, for example, people of different faiths at different times ...
                        Well... the general message is...
                        Always for discussions, the search for truth ... But, excuse me, - the question of Vera, IMHO, is very personal, intimate ...
                        It will be interesting to know your opinion. And ..., I don’t climb into the soul. Within the limits of the topic under discussion, moral norms, personal sympathies ... hi
                      9. Alex777
                        Alex777 10 February 2022 16: 47
                        +2
                        Quote: AAG
                        It will be interesting to know your opinion.

                        I wrote to you privately. wink
                      10. Aag
                        Aag 10 February 2022 17: 05
                        +1
                        Quote: Alex777
                        Quote: AAG
                        It will be interesting to know your opinion.

                        I wrote to you privately. wink

                        Thank you.
                        Replied...
        2. victor50
          victor50 9 February 2022 18: 53
          +1
          Quote: Proton
          Indeed, at the moment we are (or have we already been?) in zugzwang.

          Could you justify "it is impossible" and suggest when it is possible?
        3. flicker
          flicker 9 February 2022 21: 29
          +2
          I would not like to continue this list.
          And then they didn't want to. Did it help?
      2. Sergey Nikiforov
        Sergey Nikiforov 13 February 2022 13: 05
        0
        Horses yes, but the coachman.?
        1. Aag
          Aag 13 February 2022 13: 25
          -1
          Quote: Sergey Nikiforov
          Horses yes, but the coachman.?

          And the coachman, sensing the possibility of a replacement, will resolve the issue with the horses on the principle "so don't get it, you're nobody!"
          ... this also applies to harness, harness, cart ...
          1. Sergey Nikiforov
            Sergey Nikiforov 13 February 2022 15: 20
            -1
            Well, if you heard
            1. Aag
              Aag 13 February 2022 17: 33
              0
              Quote: Sergey Nikiforov
              Well, if you heard

              It seems that in this regard, the chuyka is set up more than ....
      3. Barberry25
        Barberry25 13 February 2022 21: 48
        -1
        Well, in the 41st USSR, it was also in zutswang and unprepared for war, given that after six months of fighting the enemy was near Moscow .. And about the "elite is not ready" .. it’s similar here .. which one? in case of war, the elite that is now either very quickly it will be notified that it must be silent and obey, or it will patriotically beat its chest with cries of "For Putin!" .. It's all about memory as a whole ... the past seems rosy and beautiful .. if you do not conduct a detailed analysis
    3. spirit
      spirit 8 February 2022 17: 47
      +12
      And throwing hats on the enemy may not work

      We have always been very fond of throwing hats) and with the advent of combat sofa units, their number has increased significantly hi
      1. YOUR
        YOUR 9 February 2022 06: 11
        +9
        Sofa troops are cool.
        I have one friend. Came from RB. Relatives have been living here for a long time. Until the age of 27, he did not receive citizenship, so that they would not be taken into the army and did not appear in the Republic of Belarus for the same reason.
        Only 27 passed, he rushed to receive citizenship. Got it naturally. And now the most active member of the EP and the vociferous nightingale, how do we slap everyone, what kind of army we have. Examples, comparisons, figures like from a leaky bag.
        1. 28st region
          28st region 9 February 2022 11: 56
          +3
          I agree with you 100%. By no side to the sun, but a bunch of theories and teachings
      2. flicker
        flicker 9 February 2022 19: 24
        +1
        with the advent of combat sofa units
        Well, the appearance of "sofa combat units" is still understandable.
        But the appearance of "couch capitulators", of which there are much more (especially after Ivashov's appeal to surrender) - this is already ridiculous. laughing
    4. Dron_sk
      Dron_sk 8 February 2022 18: 11
      -2
      Quote: Proton
      One can partly agree with the author. As much as many would not like, but today we have a lot of internal problems. And the solution of these problems at the expense of a small victorious war can end in disaster.

      And someone from the country's leadership is going to arrange this war?.. Where do these thoughts about a small victorious war come from?... Ukraine wants to arrange a small victorious war in order to return Donbas and Lugansk. Putin himself recently said that Russia does not have the strength to fight all NATO, but it is not reasonable for NATO to fight the Russian Federation, because we have nuclear weapons. The doctrine of the Russian Federation is purely defensive, in contrast to the pseudo-defense NATO doctrine, in which the enemy is clearly identified! And when the enemy is clearly designated, then this is no longer a defense doctrine ... So why all this demagogy about a small victorious war? ...
      1. sniperino
        sniperino 9 February 2022 18: 52
        +1
        Quote: Dron_sk
        Where do these thoughts about a small victorious war come from?
        These are not thoughts, but an informational smokescreen that hides the actions of the enemy.
    5. Tank jacket
      Tank jacket 8 February 2022 18: 27
      -1
      The author raves about the tank wedges of the Second World War. wassat
      Look at the latest wars, Iraq, Libya, Syria, Karabakh.
      Modern wars are different.
      It is not even necessary to bring in troops now.
      1. Alexander Salenko
        Alexander Salenko 9 February 2022 16: 47
        +1
        Modern wars, about which you talk so beautifully, have been known for more than one century. Before each world war, a series of local conflicts took place, and the proxy war, for example, began the 3rd Punic.
        1. Tank jacket
          Tank jacket 9 February 2022 17: 29
          0
          Valentina, tank wedges captured your imagination? And how many tanks, may I ask, did Saddam Hussein have? Helped? wassat
          How did a handful of Anglo-Saxons control India in the 19th century?
          1. Alexander Salenko
            Alexander Salenko 9 February 2022 18: 48
            +2
            Fucking engine, I'm not Valentina, this is my wife, I just rewrote the forum engine from soap, and we basically have one for two.
            So let's ask ourselves a question, how did tank wedges help the Americans there? And it turns out that they helped, the Americans created superiority in forces and smashed the Iraqi units, thanks, among other things, to technical superiority, you take an interest in the detour maneuvers of the Americans.
            1. Tank jacket
              Tank jacket 9 February 2022 19: 19
              0
              Saddam had 6 times as many tanks. Many generals were bribed with suitcases of dollars, the French air defense systems of Iraq were disabled remotely. So sh...
              1. Alexander Salenko
                Alexander Salenko 9 February 2022 19: 56
                +2
                About the bought generals, it turned out that this was not entirely true and superiority in tanks, but how many of them were on the move? The USSR, according to papers, seems to have had tanks to hell in 1941, but in practice?
                And you already know that the tank troops are not only tanks, as with Hussein?
                I just don’t understand, well, for example, a company of tanks jumped out to the rear and went to the railway junction, can you imagine what 10 125-mm guns can arrange there? And you yourself, apparently a tanker, take and almost send the tanks to the scrap.
                1. Tank jacket
                  Tank jacket 9 February 2022 21: 09
                  +3
                  Informational, ideological, conceptual wars are going on... In 1991, the USSR had a powerful army, and where is the USSR now?
                  1. Alexander Salenko
                    Alexander Salenko 9 February 2022 21: 11
                    +1
                    Well, the ideological wars ended in 1991, well, what kind of ideology does anyone have now? Well, except perhaps in North Korea, Iran and probably China.
                    And they talked about the fact that ordinary wars would disappear even with the appearance of a machine gun.
                    1. Tank jacket
                      Tank jacket 9 February 2022 21: 14
                      -1
                      Who said that the ideological and conceptual wars ended with that ideological enemy. You are the enemy.
                      1. Alexander Salenko
                        Alexander Salenko 9 February 2022 21: 16
                        -1
                        you have an unhealthy reaction, well, tell me the Russian ideology, for example, or the American one, so that it works? Here we are chasing the American dream. What is left of liberalism, ignoramus, I thought you were more adequate, I have been reading your posts for a long time, but then you behaved insanely.
                      2. Tank jacket
                        Tank jacket 9 February 2022 21: 19
                        -1
                        Read the concept of public safety.
                      3. Alexander Salenko
                        Alexander Salenko 9 February 2022 21: 21
                        0
                        Ah, so you are KOBnuty, forgive me, but this is exactly what they say about the fans of this. Haven't got hooked on Starikov yet? This is not their general predictor, otherwise I get confused in pseudo-theories because of the uselessness of their detailed study?
                      4. Tank jacket
                        Tank jacket 9 February 2022 21: 25
                        -1
                        Well, I was not mistaken that you are an ideological enemy. bully
                      5. Alexander Salenko
                        Alexander Salenko 9 February 2022 22: 06
                        0
                        I can't be an enemy to Jehovah's Witnesses, ja adherents of the KOB, the Neumyvakin center, Sinelnikov's admirers. You will get acquainted with scientific methods to begin with, and only then can we be some kind of opponents.
                        You know who you reminded me of when I was a student, I had a chemist friend. He once read an adventure book, weighty by the way, two volumes and interesting, and he immediately became a specialist in medieval Japan, China and Mongolia of the 13th century.
                        Indiscreet question: Who did you study for?
                      6. Tank jacket
                        Tank jacket 10 February 2022 05: 44
                        +1
                        Practical suggestions:

                        1. Recommend to the President of the Russian Federation, the Government of the Russian Federation, the Parliament of the Russian Federation, public associations to familiarize themselves with the proposed concept of public security in Russia and start its public discussion in the media, in the classroom.

                        2. To ask the President of the Russian Federation to make a proposal to the world community and the UN to hold in 1996 in Kirov the International Congress on Public Security of the Planet.

                        3. Propose to the deputies of the State Duma to adopt a resolution on the creation of a special expert commission from representatives of all committees of the State Duma to assess the "Concept of Public Security of Russia" and the development of the law "On National Security".

                        4. Recommend to the Federal Assembly to issue a joint statement of the two chambers on the prohibition of propaganda of aggression and violence in the media. Adopt a resolution on the re-certification of journalistic personnel and technical personnel of the media in order to assess their past activities, knowledge of social psychology, the ability to create in journalistic work not to destroy, but to create, to be guided by the highest interests of information security of the state, society and man.

                        5. It is advisable to have an appropriate substructure in the Security Committee of the State Duma, the functions of which will differ from the Committee on Information Policy.

                        6. To recommend to the new composition of the State Duma the holding of parliamentary hearings on the “Concept of Public Security” at the very beginning of its activity, taking into account the comments and proposals received at the parliamentary hearings, as well as from the ministries and departments of the subjects of the Federation, deputies and individual citizens.

                        Deputy Chairman of the State Duma Committee on Security N.V. Krivelskaya

                        Moscow, Okhotny Ryad, 1, November 28, 1995
                      7. Alexander Salenko
                        Alexander Salenko 13 February 2022 21: 59
                        0
                        Dude, are you going to tell me what to do? Well, for this at least you need to have authority.
                      8. Alexander Salenko
                        Alexander Salenko 13 February 2022 21: 54
                        0
                        I'm just wondering who we both minus. No, for the enemy you are small for ideological reasons, rather a hindrance.
                    2. Barberry25
                      Barberry25 13 February 2022 21: 52
                      0
                      an ideological war is just an excuse to fight competitors in the world market. Under the ideology, the Americans were told that drunk Ivans would come tomorrow, they would send you to GULAG, your daughters would be raped, and they would take away your houses ... But in fact, the struggle was for markets and resources
              2. Ingvar 72
                Ingvar 72 9 February 2022 20: 09
                0
                Quote: Tank jacket
                Many generals were bribed with suitcases of dollars

                It wasn't about bribery. I recommend watching it, good review.
    6. flicker
      flicker 9 February 2022 19: 17
      -1
      One can partly agree with the author
      I mean, Katz is offering to surrender? bully
    7. Wertgan
      Wertgan 9 February 2022 20: 59
      -1
      We are talking about a nuclear confrontation. Or take it out to the borders of the CMEA bloc or the whole world into dust
    8. alystan
      alystan 10 February 2022 03: 56
      0
      We must remember that there are always 2 sides in a war - some losers and some dead.

      How should this be understood (highlighted)?
  2. bober1982
    bober1982 8 February 2022 15: 13
    -6
    The Soviet Army of the late USSR was rotten, it is not clear why the author is talking about world leadership. The people and the army are one, what society is, such is the army.
    Which was shown by further events of the end of 1991 and 1992.
    1. Aag
      Aag 8 February 2022 16: 33
      +2
      Quote: bober1982
      The Soviet Army of the late USSR was rotten, it is not clear why the author is talking about world leadership. The people and the army are one, what society is, such is the army.
      Which was shown by further events of the end of 1991 and 1992.

      No need to speak for everyone.
      According to the districts, types of aircraft, - even, - to individual units, - it was very different.
      And, ... is it really not clear the colossal differences in the number of the USSR Armed Forces (+ a stunning mobile resource, with not frail VUS) with ... the current one (less than a million, albeit more "professional", - in the sense, - for money. ..?)
      -- Does not apply to people - who "faithfully and truthfully, not sparing their belly ..." hi
      With weapons unparalleled in the world...
      ... And now the unity is stronger? Between whom?
      1. bober1982
        bober1982 8 February 2022 17: 05
        -1
        Quote: AAG
        According to the districts, types of aircraft, - even, - to individual units, - it was very different.

        In 1992, they began to en masse take oaths to all these native governments.
        The legendary and invincible was mocked. The world hegemon came to an end very quickly.
        1. Aag
          Aag 8 February 2022 17: 42
          +3
          Quote: bober1982
          Quote: AAG
          According to the districts, types of aircraft, - even, - to individual units, - it was very different.

          In 1992, they began to en masse take oaths to all these native governments.
          The legendary and invincible was mocked. The world hegemon came to an end very quickly.

          On the territory of present-day Russia? .. I am perfectly aware of the situation in the units deployed "beyond" the current "frontier"! ... My bow to the officers of those times! hi By the way, to be honest, - my respect - do not take it for softness - extends to EVERYONE who remains an Officer, in a good, kind, sense of the word, regardless of belonging to the state.
          Sound wild? Yes! Briefly, (briefly!) I will try to clarify ... Who remembers the minus text of the Oath? Where was the "Communist Party"? What did the "people" cry for? ...
          They deceived everyone ... they bought the "necessary" ones ...
          Most of the respected Soflurumians passed this .... Repeat?! ...
          1. bober1982
            bober1982 8 February 2022 17: 50
            -7
            Quote: AAG
            My bow to the officers of those times! By the way, to be honest

            To be honest, there’s nothing to bow to and, it wasn’t necessary to deceive then, and it was easier to buy, and not just the right ones.
            1. Aag
              Aag 8 February 2022 18: 54
              +4
              Quote: bober1982
              Quote: AAG
              My bow to the officers of those times! By the way, to be honest

              To be honest, there’s nothing to bow to and, it wasn’t necessary to deceive then, and it was easier to buy, and not just the right ones.

              Your idea is not entirely clear due to the lack of punctuation marks ...
              Didn't you "fight" with Bez for the bright name of SA? Yes, everything happened ... in different garrisons, at different times .... Epistemology)), you know, the transition of quantity into quality (well, and vice versa ...).
              Agree - now there are at least problems with this (- despite the cries of political scientists, "experts" ...) And the slogan "The people and the Army are united!" (in those days it seemed banal), now, if it sounds, then, somehow strained ... If not to say, anxious.
              1. bober1982
                bober1982 8 February 2022 19: 22
                +5
                Quote: AAG
                Yes, everything happened ... in different garrisons, at different times.

                I agree that at different times, for example, Yu.A. Gagarin flew into space, being a non-party member, it is simply impossible to imagine anything like that 10 years after his flight. many former party members and graduates of Soviet military schools and academies took an active part in punitive hostilities against their former compatriots in the Donbass.
                1. Aag
                  Aag 8 February 2022 19: 39
                  +1
                  Quote: bober1982
                  Quote: AAG
                  Yes, everything happened ... in different garrisons, at different times.

                  I agree that at different times, for example, Yu.A. Gagarin flew into space, being a non-party member, it is simply impossible to imagine anything like that 10 years after his flight. many former party members and graduates of Soviet military schools and academies took an active part in punitive hostilities against their former compatriots in the Donbass.

                  I agree that what you voiced cannot be discounted, but I don’t understand how this explains your previous post, how it relates to the topic under discussion (indirectly, I agree, it’s worth considering!).
      2. Alexander Salenko
        Alexander Salenko 9 February 2022 16: 52
        +1
        Well, it is clear that people are different, but we are talking about the system. I watched quite a Kremlin film, I don’t remember which one, but it was about our group in the GDR. And there, not understanding what they were doing, they showed a piece of newspaper with the title: Does Perestroika Need Marxism-Leninism? Excuse me, but if officers, including those responsible for political training, read this en masse, and even if they are personally not bad, this is an indicator of a rotten system.
        You can downvote, tell anything, but Marxism is the cornerstone of the existence of the USSR, and not understanding this is not understanding whom to serve, which is why many calmly swore allegiance to Ukraine, Kazakhstan, etc. The former head of the Ukrainian General Staff, Viktor Muzhenko, studied, for example, in Leningrad.
        1. Aag
          Aag 9 February 2022 18: 58
          +1
          Sorry, plus from me just for "activity", - my rule is this ...
          For the expressed point of view - the same plus (I can’t do it anymore), but for the arguments given, as an opinion that does not correspond to my personal ones, - perhaps it’s worth slapping a "minus" ...)))
          I'll try to argue...
          I agree with you that M-L (Marxism-Leninism) began to (very successfully) bury long before he "outlived himself" (I think he is still very relevant, in basicity!, Details are possible).
          "... Marxism is the cornerstone of the existence of the USSR ...) ... Perhaps I agree. With the amendment, they have distorted the existence of the Power lately, vulgarized, discredited ...
          What started later (almost immediately, apparently they were preparing, - of course, - TIN ... survived due to age ...).
          I repeat - I can’t judge (strictly) those people, officers, whether it be Kazakhstan, Ukraine, Belarus, the Baltic States ... It was not THEY who violated the Oath! They took the oath to the Soviet people and the Government.
          The Soviet people, deceived by exhortations about EDITING, OPTIMIZATION of the Soviet tank builder, the "Government", sold, or "lay down" under the West ...
          ... Some here exhort that I supposedly had to, in unison with the miners, knocking paint on the rails, ... act as "Topol"! (?!).
          Yes, then we only had time to "shrug off" the "progressive" youth in the "Urals" with sawn-off shotguns imbued with "democracy". And this at a time when conscripts fled en masse from Georgia, the Baltic states .... EBN proclaimed sovereignty, but the article for desertion remained. With all the ensuing consequences for commanders, chiefs ...
          1. Alexander Salenko
            Alexander Salenko 9 February 2022 19: 21
            +3
            That's exactly what they vulgarized, although I was a Ukrainian citizen, my uncle is a retired political instructor, a lieutenant colonel. So he doesn’t know anything about Marxism-Leninism, although he is obliged by position.
            As for relevance, as a historian I can say that many young historians, who are 40-35 years old there, are quite inclined towards Marxism, because there is no other theory that would describe the historical process so consistently.
            They tried to compete, replace it with geopolitics, by the way, there are common sense thoughts there, the theory of elites, about nothing at all, and Fukuyama, a smart person, even started talking about the end of history and even published a book with that title.
            Now, as for the officers, I think you will agree that they are very different, for example, there were those who shot at the White House and, according to Rutskoy, shot Muscovites from the KPVT, and there are those who themselves in Chechnya stood for a machine gun, because the conscripts did not know how contact and saved the boys with their lives.
            It’s just that I didn’t say about the GDR by chance there they talked about the big officer problems of this particular contingent about numerous divorce proceedings.
            So when my grandfather commanded a company in the autobattalion of 1955-57 in the GDR, an ordinary village guy could just get there, and then, I judge from the words of Colonel Barants, I think you are familiar with such a surname, who also served in the GDR, it was already necessary bring something in, he has a book, I haven't re-read it, but it made an impression on me 10 years ago, it's called The Lost Army.
            And I understand that for many. not even so, for most officers it was a tragedy, but if they understood the basics of Marxism, this would not have happened.
            I myself communicate a lot with left-wing people on the net, including those who call themselves communists and even belong to the Communist Party, and so not all of them understand Marxism, although in general there is nothing complicated there.
            1. Aag
              Aag 9 February 2022 20: 28
              +2
              Thanks for the detailed, emotional, hopefully sincere answer. hi
              Dear Valentina Saenko (sorry, I'm talking about Nick)! Your, my arguments from personal experience, I think, can be attributed to emotions, personal experiences ... (I suspect that some
              those present will do so). In the end, - "Life is not what happens to us, but how we feel about it ..." (c) (sorry, I don't remember the authorship).
              You know, I graduated from the military-political high school. True, the Faculty of Engineering ... The oppressive negative perception of political officers, agitators, political instructors - I write off the personal qualities of those mentioned (well, the education system also could not contribute, - as confirmation, - the attitude of servicemen to this cohort ... From myself : for a short officer's service, I had a chance to serve with the political officers of worthy successors of Klochkov, ... and just good people, officer neighbors.).
              Sorry, spread my thoughts along the tree ...
              ... M-L (Marxism-Leninism ... although many tend to share, I'm not so "gourmet")))
              Serious Science! (confirmations are visible from the news!). At one time, - "blurred" ... Now, - exterminated ...
              All, of course, IMHO - I can be mistaken ... For your opinion, thanks. hi
      3. Barberry25
        Barberry25 13 February 2022 21: 55
        -1
        Well, in fairness, it’s worth noting that NATO is now not like before. The size of the army is smaller, the number of combat-ready equipment is smaller and there is a huge discord in readiness to fight. Compared to the stories "we took positions during a sudden alarm, prepared grenade launchers and waited for the Russians" NATO is not holding up..
  3. 210ox
    210ox 8 February 2022 15: 16
    +23
    Historically, we have always been unprepared. Starting from the 13th century. Regardless of the system, formation, elite. And at the moment it is still aggravated by the economic situation, demography, lack of ideology. Just at the moment, no one needs a big war. The great war is the death of civilization. And a small victorious one will no longer work.
    1. Andrey Yuryevich
      Andrey Yuryevich 8 February 2022 15: 30
      +28
      Quote: 210ox
      Historically, we have always been unprepared.

      for winter, every year they are not ready ... and about the rest ...
      1. 210ox
        210ox 8 February 2022 15: 56
        +13
        But how do we manage... winked what
        1. rocket757
          rocket757 8 February 2022 16: 11
          +6
          And we, traditionally, DESPITE one, then the other ... because there is always something that gathers our people into one mighty force that crushes all its enemies!
          Once again I want to emphasize, THERE IS ALWAYS A REASON TO UNITE!
          1. Shahno
            Shahno 8 February 2022 16: 20
            +3
            That there is strength, that's good .. Only it must be projected onto the source of problems. The presence of states, even if not friendly, is this the "root" of all problems in Russian society?
            1. rocket757
              rocket757 8 February 2022 16: 50
              +8
              Unfortunately, we know how to resist the evil forces from outside, but we have not learned how to put things in order at home!
              By order, I don’t mean “tightening the screws” so Schaub didn’t breathe on our own, that’s different.
              A harmonious combination / balance of state interests and the interests of the whole people. Everything must be correct, just, in the best sense of these definitions.
              And external enemies have always been and will always be, we are not like that, the world is like that.
            2. Alex777
              Alex777 9 February 2022 17: 59
              +2
              Quote: Shahno
              That there is strength, that's good .. You just need to project it onto the source of the problems.

              So the "negotiations" are going on with the States. And with tobacco. wink
        2. Detnix
          Detnix 9 February 2022 12: 57
          -4
          A rotten house for the time being somehow stands, and then khryas ...)))
          1. 210ox
            210ox 9 February 2022 13: 06
            -1
            And how many centuries is this "rotten" house worth? Do the math. Maybe not rotten?
            1. Detnix
              Detnix 9 February 2022 14: 36
              -6
              Baby how old are you? What centuries?))) The last collapse was 30 years ago, and the penultimate 104 years ago, and even earlier 424 years ago. Please note that the deadline is getting shorter!
              1. 210ox
                210ox 9 February 2022 14: 45
                -2
                Toddler? Has the Russian state disappeared from the world map? No, I understand about your desire to tear the navel in the field of the destruction of Russia. Pampers put on - then try
            2. victor50
              victor50 9 February 2022 19: 07
              0
              Quote: 210ox
              Putin himself recently said that Russia does not have the strength to fight with

              Rome also existed for a long time. Very.
    2. Aag
      Aag 8 February 2022 17: 00
      +1
      Quote: 210ox
      Historically, we have always been unprepared. Starting from the 13th century. Regardless of the system, formation, elite. And at the moment it is still aggravated by the economic situation, demography, lack of ideology. Just at the moment, no one needs a big war. The great war is the death of civilization. And a small victorious one will no longer work.

      I agree ... Just don't justify the "elites"!
      1. 210ox
        210ox 8 February 2022 17: 05
        +1
        "Regardless of .. the elite" Read-unwillingness, opposition .. After all, it was like that ..
        1. Aag
          Aag 8 February 2022 17: 29
          0
          Quote: 210ox
          "Regardless of .. the elite" Read-unwillingness, opposition .. After all, it was like that ..

          I agree in this context. Sorry, I'm transpolating your posts from other branches of this site to the current situation. So far it turns out like this ... I apologize if I'm mistaken ... hi
          1. 210ox
            210ox 8 February 2022 17: 32
            +1
            Nothing wrong. I myself am confused
  4. yuriy55
    yuriy55 8 February 2022 15: 17
    +1
    The author was inspired to write this short review ...

    ... a fundamentally absent interest in the materials of the VO website, on which daily, several times a day, questions are sorted out: “When will Russia finally deign to go to war?” and “What will the West do if it really comes out?”
  5. Stena
    Stena 8 February 2022 15: 17
    -14
    Reading this author's opus and comes to mind:
    1. Hagalaz
      Hagalaz 8 February 2022 16: 36
      -2
      What nonsense wassat Well, or too highly intelligent. laughing
      1. Stena
        Stena 8 February 2022 16: 52
        +9
        What nonsense wassat Well, or too highly intelligent.

        This is KVN. I think 1998. Team - "Children of Lieutenant Schmidt". wink
        In essence, the video: an absolutely correct statement from G. Malygin (captain of the DLSh). For the Decembrists were really completely far from the people, moreover, they deceived the soldiers, taking them to Senate Square and staging a riot. And also by killing the real hero of the Patriotic War of 1812, Mikhail Andreevich Miloradovich - a true patriot and war hero.
        In essence, the article: fortunately, the author does not know anything about the real state of affairs in terms of armaments and the population, as well as modern methods of warfare and the military-industrial and mobilization potential of the Russian Federation. Moreover, one gets the feeling that he also skipped lectures on the doctrines and approaches of the USSR on acceptable methods of war with NATO.
        It's true - if the author drives misinformation purposefully - so to speak - for "Western partners" - then here is "bravo and encore".
        And if this is such a lifestyle - then "byada byadovaya."
        1. Aag
          Aag 8 February 2022 17: 17
          +1
          Quote: Stena
          What nonsense wassat Well, or too highly intelligent.

          This is KVN. I think 1998. Team - "Children of Lieutenant Schmidt". wink
          In essence, the video: an absolutely correct statement from G. Malygin (captain of the DLSh). For the Decembrists were really completely far from the people, moreover, they deceived the soldiers, taking them to Senate Square and staging a riot. And also by killing the real hero of the Patriotic War of 1812, Mikhail Andreevich Miloradovich - a true patriot and war hero.
          In essence, the article: fortunately, the author does not know anything about the real state of affairs in terms of armaments and the population, as well as modern methods of warfare and the military-industrial and mobilization potential of the Russian Federation. Moreover, one gets the feeling that he also skipped lectures on the doctrines and approaches of the USSR on acceptable methods of war with NATO.
          It's true - if the author drives misinformation purposefully - so to speak - for "Western partners" - then here is "bravo and encore".
          And if this is such a lifestyle - then "byada byadovaya."

          Thank you for "chewing" (not an argument, IMHO)! At least be honest!
          In terms of VP and Mob potential, you can "chew" me - maybe it's true - I'm far behind ... True, a colleague (I hope) - without irony .... Although the remaining mind tells me - a normal person is a military and state. the secret will not be voiced, but the visible prerequisites for a favorable alignment (for the Country, the Russian Federation, its indigenous population) are not visible, well, from the people, at least ....
          Not! Not Katz. And I don't offer to give up... And, if anything, then we... well, not as one... And this is our problem. Yes, and the West is not one ... But there are many of them ... And we, as it turned out ("unexpectedly"), are in splendid isolation ... (((
          1. Mordvin 3
            Mordvin 3 8 February 2022 17: 25
            +5
            Quote: AAG
            .And we, as it turned out ("unexpectedly"), are in splendid isolation ... (((

            That's interesting, even the Mongols signed up for the USSR in the Second World War.
            1. Aag
              Aag 8 February 2022 19: 12
              +5
              Quote: mordvin xnumx
              Quote: AAG
              .And we, as it turned out ("unexpectedly"), are in splendid isolation ... (((

              That's interesting, even the Mongols signed up for the USSR in the Second World War.

              Do you see such "Mongols" now? Well, except for the "tied" AHL?
              1. Mordvin 3
                Mordvin 3 8 February 2022 19: 23
                +2
                Quote: AAG
                Do you see such "Mongols" now? Well, except for the "tied" AHL?

                I don't watch anyone. Only Lukashenka and this one, who is in Iraq. wink
                1. Aag
                  Aag 8 February 2022 19: 40
                  0
                  Quote: mordvin xnumx
                  Quote: AAG
                  Do you see such "Mongols" now? Well, except for the "tied" AHL?

                  I don't watch anyone. Only Lukashenka and this one, who is in Iraq. wink

                  About that and speech ...
            2. Ol willy
              Ol willy 9 February 2022 11: 14
              -1
              The Mongols needed protection against the Japanese
              1. Aag
                Aag 9 February 2022 19: 02
                +1
                Quote: Ol Willy
                The Mongols needed protection against the Japanese

                And which of the above does this cancel? Politics, it is so ... In fact, is it so?
          2. Stena
            Stena 8 February 2022 19: 05
            -11
            Quote: AAG
            In terms of VP and Mob potential, you can "chew" me - maybe it's true - I'm far behind ... True, a colleague (I hope) - without irony .... Although the remaining mind tells me - a normal person is a military and state. the secret will not be voiced, but the visible prerequisites for a favorable alignment (for the Country, the Russian Federation, its indigenous population) are not visible, well, from the people, at least ....

            I'm sorry, friend, you can't. But it will be as the president said:

            And about the fact that we are supposedly few, but they seem to be many:
            Stas Konoplyannikov's song about the feat of the paratroopers of the 6th company of the 104th regiment of the 76th Pskov airborne division - during the second Chechen one near height 776:

            Everlasting memory!
            1. Aag
              Aag 8 February 2022 19: 34
              -3
              Quote: Stena
              Quote: AAG
              In terms of VP and Mob potential, you can "chew" me - maybe it's true - I'm far behind ... True, a colleague (I hope) - without irony .... Although the remaining mind tells me - a normal person is a military and state. the secret will not be voiced, but the visible prerequisites for a favorable alignment (for the Country, the Russian Federation, its indigenous population) are not visible, well, from the people, at least ....

              I'm sorry, friend, you can't. But it will be as the president said:

              And about the fact that we are supposedly few, but they seem to be many:
              Stas Konoplyannikov's song about the feat of the paratroopers of the 6th company of the 104th regiment of the 76th Pskov airborne division - during the second Chechen one near height 776:

              Everlasting memory!

              Our Country, People, Armed Forces have a lot of heroic moments, accomplishments, eras!
              Only, it seems that they begin to "use" it from time to time, and by no means in the interests of the Fatherland ... Well, if only in the most extreme case, when it's hot (and the motives can remain cloudy ... True, and such a situation, it is not so important ...)
              hi
            2. Mordvin 3
              Mordvin 3 8 February 2022 19: 40
              -2
              And you read Alik Zaripov "Lieutenant Dmitry Petrov." You will learn many new things. http://artofwar.ru/z/zaripow_a/text_0380.shtml
          3. Alexander Salenko
            Alexander Salenko 9 February 2022 17: 05
            +2
            Republican France, and then Napoleonic France, was also in splendid isolation, so this is not an indicator at all, and even the presence of Suvorov in the troops did not crush France, but because of what? Because of the Viennese intrigues of their kriegsrat. And the war of 1805 is generally a fairy tale song, when the allies agreed on dates but did not guess to take into account that in one country the Gregorian calendar, and in another Julian - this is a question of the difficulties of interaction between the allies.
            Austria-Hungary was one state, but multilingual, and so in a number of their parts orders were given in English, as more understandable and the current collective West may not be saved by a total knowledge of English because German English may not be similar to Italian English.
            I don’t know whether you paid attention or not, but when the annexation of Crimea happened, the West got lost: what to do about it? Those. the question of a military response was not even considered, then, and not when fleeing from Afghanistan, it became clear that Akela was weak and missed.
        2. Hagalaz
          Hagalaz 8 February 2022 17: 48
          +3
          I get it now. I even calmed down, it’s still better when people don’t drive nonsense, but there are also enough of them. But I don’t look at KVN as I didn’t cut through and chime about the Decembrists (. Although they once taught.
          Essentially yours: I agree with a lot (although I don’t even have a clue about a lot of things) laughing ). You can write a lot on the topic under discussion, but the situation is best described by the saying, I don’t remember which Western figure, that Russia is never as strong as it wants to seem and is not as weak as it seems. This is probably not verbatim, but most likely you will understand by whom and how it is said.
          1. Mordvin 3
            Mordvin 3 8 February 2022 19: 45
            0
            Quote: Hagalaz
            Russia is never as strong as it wants to appear and not as weak as it seems.

            Russia is weak. Everyone has it, who cares. let's be fair.
            1. Alexander Salenko
              Alexander Salenko 9 February 2022 17: 06
              -1
              They fucked in Ossetia, in the Crimea, in Syria, now they have it in Burkina Faso
              1. Mordvin 3
                Mordvin 3 9 February 2022 17: 13
                +2
                Quote: Valentina Salenko
                They fucked in Ossetia, in the Crimea, in Syria, now they have it in Burkina Faso

                Everything you mentioned is rubbish. Tulka, in a word. We do not get involved with serious countries. Remember the murder of our ambassador to Turkey. But before that it was considered tantamount to a declaration of war. So what? Erdogan got off with tomatoes.
                1. Alexander Salenko
                  Alexander Salenko 9 February 2022 18: 39
                  +1
                  Well, not tomatoes, there, in general, a third of Turkish hotels were for sale, and you propose to start a war with Turkey so that our group in Syria is destroyed? I understand that the Turks can be beaten especially when, as practice later showed, how they framed their leopards for the Kurds. But this is a NATO country.
                  And from history, Griboedov, the ambassador to Iran, was also killed, and unlike Karlov, I don’t blame Karlov here, I don’t understand why they gave the hero, Griboyedov fought back to the last and fought back. But we did not start a war, the shah paid off with a diamond.
                  1. Mordvin 3
                    Mordvin 3 9 February 2022 18: 50
                    +1
                    Quote: Valentina Salenko
                    the shah paid off with a diamond

                    That's it. Instantly sent his son to Russia to bow, with a diamond the size of a fist. I am not proposing any wars, I am writing about the fact that we are afraid to unleash wars with a strong enemy. And it is right. Turkey is not Burkina Faso. We fought with them many times, and not always won. And the fact that this is a NATO country means little. Even in the Donbass, we really couldn’t do anything, although Ukraine is not a member of NATO.
                    1. Alexander Salenko
                      Alexander Salenko 9 February 2022 18: 59
                      -1
                      It’s just that Turkey itself hasn’t fought for a long time and I don’t know what kind of enemy it is, but how they entered Syria is indicative. And in technical terms, they are inferior, only at sea they can fight. Because of Karlov, you are proposing to unleash a war, did I understand correctly?
                      And let me remind you, if you remember about the pilots, then the bus with their flyers took off right in front of their General Staff, although it was just possible to fight for this, and so Karlov was a victim of a fanatic. What is the state here?
                      You know, I saw Yulia Timoshenko 30 tons farther than my monitor stands, and if I had a barrel and intention, I could have fired, no one would have stopped, no one had checked, I would have handled the pistol. It was more difficult to get Yanukovych, but from a neighboring apartment, if you break into it, it’s completely and even without optics. Here in Yushchenko I couldn’t, well, they covered him, I can’t even say that I saw him, only part of his head.
                      And I just saw a lot of Crimean politicians on the street, I even drank vodka with Aksyonov, although he was not so famous then.
                      This I mean that in principle, it is not so difficult to approach politics, a diplomat.
                      1. Mordvin 3
                        Mordvin 3 9 February 2022 19: 21
                        +2
                        Quote: Valentina Salenko
                        Because of Karlov, you are proposing to unleash a war, did I understand correctly?

                        Yes, you already got it. I am not suggesting any wars. On the contrary, I am writing that there is no need for us to get involved with strong opponents, because we can blow through. Russia does not always win. That is the point of my comment.
                      2. Alexander Salenko
                        Alexander Salenko 9 February 2022 19: 41
                        +1
                        Well, forgive me, now they explained, but I can’t read minds. Well, at least we do not have a land border with Turkey. and then the Black Sea Fleet was only pumped up with new ships, in any case, Turkish poachers do not appear off the coast of Crimea anymore.
                      3. Mordvin 3
                        Mordvin 3 9 February 2022 19: 52
                        +2
                        The meaning of my comment is that Russia does not always win, and today, in my opinion, it is weaker than ever. You compare it with some kind of Burkino Faso, or with Georgia, and I - with strong countries. Well, it's ridiculous to call Georgia a strong country.
                      4. Alexander Salenko
                        Alexander Salenko 9 February 2022 19: 53
                        +1
                        But on the side of Georgia there was an initiative with surprise, and the forces there were involved approximately equal, only Russia had superiority in aviation. So there was not a banana army at all.
  6. sen
    sen 8 February 2022 15: 18
    +4
    Is Russia ready for war with the West?

    The West will not fight, for this there is Ukraine, in the extreme case, the Polish and Baltic "volunteers".
    1. 210ox
      210ox 8 February 2022 15: 51
      -5
      In fact, even the "finished by Lavrov" have an instinct for self-preservation. They are always ready to bark from under the gate, and shit on the rug at the entrance. That's when the question arises about the safety of the skin, then all the arrogance disappears. Zeleclown behavior example
      1. rocket757
        rocket757 8 February 2022 16: 15
        -2
        Quote: 210ox
        They are always ready to bark from under the gate, and shit on the rug at the entrance. That's when the question arises about the safety of the skins
        So it is ... especially now, there are only fences and rustling, torn, somewhere ... those who want something mean that they are careful with whom they should be considered, they try to stay away ... because They have more brains and they somehow work.
    2. viktortarianik
      viktortarianik 8 February 2022 17: 09
      +5
      The West may not fight, but it will be happy to finish it off.
    3. Aag
      Aag 8 February 2022 17: 22
      -2
      Quote: sen
      Is Russia ready for war with the West?

      The West will not fight, for this there is Ukraine, in the extreme case, the Polish and Baltic "volunteers".

      Do you guarantee? Well, after Ukraine, the Baltic states will end (it will also not ... be weak ... for everyone).
    4. Alexander Salenko
      Alexander Salenko 9 February 2022 17: 08
      +2
      Volunteers can come from anywhere, they even showed two Englishmen, but it doesn't matter. These are not armies, not well-coordinated actions of the same Polish units.
  7. paul3390
    paul3390 8 February 2022 15: 19
    +29
    The goal of our type of elite is not a mythical victory over the West, but to bargain for a place at the table where the fate of the world is decided. In fact, the most favorable conditions for the final surrender of the country. So far, the price has not been agreed, the West offers shamefully little. They are trying to raise the stakes. As soon as they settle the issue, they will immediately hand over everything and everyone. The fate of the country and the people of this public is frankly up to the pager. After all, over the past 30 years it has become extremely clear that we have open and fierce enemies of the people in power. With all that follows from here..

    And if they don’t settle down, they will send us to fight for the interests of Putin’s alligators. Well, do not they themselves go to protect the stolen something? Why do they need it?
    1. Pathos
      Pathos 8 February 2022 15: 46
      0
      The alligators will be the first to be pulled to warmer climes, we have already seen the planes are refueled with full tanks before the shot. First of all England Spain USA.
    2. Vadim237
      Vadim237 8 February 2022 17: 16
      -20
      "They will send us to fight for the interests of Putin's alligators." They won’t send you and someone else - they will send mercenaries to fight, but there will be no sense from cannon fodder in modern warfare, but there will be many wounded and corpses with near-zero combat effectiveness.
      1. paul3390
        paul3390 8 February 2022 17: 20
        +17
        As practice shows, such as a personnel army lays down in the first month of the war, along with heaped wunderwaffles. After that, they will call us orphans, put us in T-55s from warehouses, give someone an AK 47 of the year of release and a couple of grenades .. And they will send us to stop the adversary. Only this time - not for the Motherland, but for the loot of Putin's Corifans ..
        1. Alexander Salenko
          Alexander Salenko 9 February 2022 17: 10
          +2
          In 1941, just the personnel of the Red Army inflicted sensitive losses on the Germans, including in the officer corps. It is the Germans who speak of very stubborn resistance, and it did not last a month. After Kiev and Smolensk, the Germans rolled.
        2. atakan
          atakan 10 February 2022 00: 33
          +1
          paul3390, - After that, fragmentation, colonial administration, a stop of all production except gas to the west, a minimum subsistence cash limit, the abolition of higher education, the development of national "elites", total electronic control, and a ban on "dofiga everything" will be imposed. Doesn't that make you happy?
          .
          I will add 5 kopecks for the author of the article,
          - No one even thinks to restore bombs and gas shelters
  8. Kaufman
    Kaufman 8 February 2022 15: 22
    -6
    Alain Dulles believed that Russia reached the peaks of its power in those moments of history when it was deployed to the West, when it made contact, bought technologies, specialists, taught its children in the West.
    So it was when they received Baptism and in the time of Peter, for example.
    As soon as Russia deepens into itself, closes in on itself, closes its borders, gives preference to traditionalism, it weakens.
    I think the "parterres" need this.
    For Russia to close and weaken.
    Nobody wants to fight and suffer losses now! What for ?
    in 15 years, not only 900 thousand conscripts, but 500 will not be recruited, then the resource of the Soviet backlog of the military-industrial complex will end - Sushki, Migi fly off, Admirals Nakhimovs depart, nuclear missiles, etc.,
    and then return to the issues of Crimea, Donbass and the Kuriles and Kaliningrad.
    This is the deep intention of the "partners"
    1. rocket757
      rocket757 8 February 2022 16: 19
      +5
      Quote: kaufman
      deployed to the West, when she made contact, bought technologies, specialists, taught her children in the West

      Are you sure that the West should be called the "center of the universe" now, and in the future it has more prospects than those on the other side of the world, t.s. ???
    2. Vadim237
      Vadim237 8 February 2022 17: 31
      -14
      “No one wants to fight and suffer losses now! But why?
      in 15 years, not only 900 thousand conscripts, but 500 will not be recruited, then the resource of the Soviet backlog of the military-industrial complex will end - Sushki, Migi fly off, Admirals Nakhimovs depart, nuclear missiles, etc.,
      then return to the issues of Crimea, Donbass and the Kuriles and Kaliningrad."
      This is the deep intention of the "partners" - Only they will wait until the second coming that the old will disappear and the new will not appear - it is already appearing in airplanes and missiles and in nuclear weapons and in everything else, and demographics, Russia will overcome the problem, but at the expense of the economy in Russia, it is the most real and stable, since the 90s, the end of the 2000s and 8 years of sanctions from 2014 to the present time have passed - the economic consequences of the lockdown in 2020 we had a minimal drop in the region of 5% - like the United States, more than 20% and from raw materials needles, our economy is slowly but surely leaving, we are also getting rid of the dollar in investment reserves and mutual settlements with other countries, which is why Washington is furious.
    3. Ol willy
      Ol willy 9 February 2022 11: 28
      0
      That is why we see certain gestures aimed at preventing a warming of relations between Russia and Western Europe
    4. Alexander Salenko
      Alexander Salenko 9 February 2022 17: 14
      +2
      Judging by what you say, it makes no sense to listen to this person, because he has an obvious geographical cretinism. Or historical illiteracy, which is much worse, because baptism was accepted in the south, you don’t know where Chersonese is?
      Peter, of course, is cool, but his dad did a lot to create an army, and if foreign specialists were invited, it was only because there weren’t any of his own and Peter immediately changed them to his own, I don’t remember Tarle E.’s middle name to read about this.
      Under Ivan the Terrible, Ivan 3, also by the way Terrible, without any West, Russia flourished and what later ended in turmoil, so half of Europe went to beat us in the Livonian War, and here the Tatars were like a pain in the ass.
  9. place
    place 8 February 2022 15: 26
    +11
    "We need the right elite" .... But the right elite is generated only by the right people. So that ! The fish only rots from the head if it is already dead. And in a living organism, while it is alive, the brain is turned off last.
    1. boris epstein
      boris epstein 8 February 2022 16: 18
      +8
      "But the right elite generates only the right people."
      And occasional weeding.
  10. The leader of the Redskins
    The leader of the Redskins 8 February 2022 15: 26
    -3
    The author writes about the artificial pitting of peoples. I agree. But it is not the BBC, not the Deutsche Wele, who calls the people of the neighboring country "Banderites", "junta", "terrorists".
    And here there are unpleasant questions/moments in discord between the general line and the news lines. How to be?
    1. mitroha
      mitroha 8 February 2022 15: 37
      +8
      Quote: Leader of the Redskins
      calls the people of the neighboring country "Bandera"

      Don't make a hunchback, no one calls the people of the neighboring country Bandera, they call Bandera only Bandera. And the people of Ukraine, for the most part, have nothing to do with them
      1. Overlock
        Overlock 8 February 2022 17: 28
        -2
        Quote: Mitroha
        no one calls Bandera, only Bandera is called Bandera.

        And how do you distinguish? Who is a Banderist, who is not? If 70% of the population voted for Zelensky, are they Bandera?
        1. Alexander Salenko
          Alexander Salenko 9 February 2022 17: 20
          0
          Zelensky walked like a dove of peace, what does it have to do with how many voted for him?
          1. Overlock
            Overlock 9 February 2022 17: 25
            +2
            Quote: Valentina Salenko
            Zelensky walked like a dove of peace, what does it have to do with how many voted for him?

            So Poroshenko walked like a dove of peace. How many voted for him?
            1. Alexander Salenko
              Alexander Salenko 9 February 2022 18: 40
              0
              Well, not so much and then it was not so relevant. I don't remember how many people voted for him.
    2. Alexander Salenko
      Alexander Salenko 9 February 2022 17: 19
      +2
      And who are they? Here I am a Ukrainian myself, and I don’t know what Ukrainianism is, there was no talk about it in my family, and these are mankurts, if they are from Kiev, Dnepropetrovsk and sing about Bandera’s father and it doesn’t matter that there are a lot of them. By the way, Marx said that sometimes entire nations are counter-revolutionary.
  11. Daniil Konovalenko
    Daniil Konovalenko 8 February 2022 15: 27
    +19
    It is necessary to carry out a new large-scale industrialization and the revival of the Russian village, which will ensure the technical and food security of the country.
    ..Smiled, of course. Tell me, who will carry out large-scale industrialization and for whose money? The revival of the Russian village. What is it, to take the land from the five main land oligarchs and distribute it again to the peasants? Or will you carry out nationalization, take away their oligarchs from their OJSC, agro-industrial complex and give them to the peasants? smile What you are proposing is a revolution aimed at changing the current system .. The so-called elite from top to bottom, will not voluntarily give up their wealth, peacefully? Do you tax? So she will run away from them .. and take the capital out ..
    1. Ashes of Claes
      Ashes of Claes 8 February 2022 16: 53
      -3
      Quote: Daniil Konovalenko
      ..Smiled

      and this steam in the whistle does not smile at me at all. Nothing to write about. Sawed down like a gramophone record in "Well, you wait!" - "my beloved, dear .... my beloved dear ....". Built by the author of a huge poster in the style of "Kings and Cabbage" and Soviet agitprop. All this whining "are we ready for war with ....." always ends with "not, not ready" and stupid projecting "we need this ... we need this ...". Tired of this pretentious land-collecting and Russian-world passages like this:
      The strategy (image of the future) of uniting Russia, Ukraine and Belarus into a single state, gathering the Russian people forcibly divided by the events of the last century, and building Russian society on the basis of social justice should become the state ideology.
    2. paul3390
      paul3390 8 February 2022 17: 03
      -1
      Tell me, who will carry out large-scale industrialization and for whose money?

      In-in .. After all, it can be said much more simply - return, bastards, Soviet power. And it’s better to do it yourself - then you have a chance to escape with any dough. If not, we will return it, and then - hell, where are you going..
      1. Olga
        Olga 8 February 2022 19: 14
        +2
        Quote: paul3390
        return, bastards, Soviet power

        And can I ask, you, apparently, were born somewhere after 1972-1973?
        When the USSR was destroyed, you, after all, were less than 18-19 years old, perhaps?
        There were still, probably, unintelligent ones ... (or did they study at school)?
        1. Olga
          Olga 9 February 2022 08: 18
          0
          Quote: Olga
          Olga
          Yesterday, 19: 14

          -1
          Quote: paul3390
          return, bastards, Soviet power

          And can I ask, you, apparently, were born somewhere after 1972-1973?
          When the USSR was destroyed, you, after all, were less than 18-19 years old, perhaps?
          There were still, probably, unintelligent ones ... (or did they study at school)?

          The minus is set. But the question was not answered.
          I understand it's a tricky question. Makes me ask myself if I was resting at that time while the country was being destroyed...?

          Separately, each of you will say "what could I do?"
          And so will millions.

          So why are you, those very millions, rebelled today?
          Where were you before, in 1991, friends?
        2. Alexander Salenko
          Alexander Salenko 9 February 2022 17: 27
          +1
          I was born much later, in 1978, to be precise, in December, they gave me a present for exactly 13 years. And why did you decide that as a teenager I didn’t remember something well? Well, it’s clear that he couldn’t evaluate as an adult, but as an adult he could draw some conclusions, how was it and how did it become? And if the education received also contributes to this, you don’t know what kind of education your opponent has.
          And to the question of where you used to be, on the one hand, it is natural, but on the other, it's like saying that the sucker is to blame, no one forced him to sit down to play cards.
          1. Olga
            Olga 9 February 2022 19: 15
            +2
            I was also born later. And just like you ("being a teenager then") I have the opportunity today to talk about the USSR.
            And, indeed, education (knowledge of history) also makes it possible to talk about that period. But, the question is not about the assessment of that period.
            The opponent wrote "... return, bastards, Soviet power ...".
            And I completely agree with the opponent! Return! But to whom is the call addressed? Who gave away that very Soviet power?

            And, before asking the question "where were you before, in 1991, friends?", I asked about the age (in the first comment), because I really can not know this. It is age, not education, that matters in this matter!
            To give me an answer or not, it is up to the opponent to decide. But, cons (as an expression of opinion), I honestly did not understand. If the minusers (or the opponent) did not have independence by that time, then the question did not concern them either.
            And if by 1991 they were quite adults? In this case, do you think they have the moral right to write "... return, bastards, Soviet power ..."?
            My opinion: no, they don’t (and it doesn’t matter what kind of education they had / became).

            Do I seem too demanding to you? Maybe. The thing is, I'm demanding of myself. For some time now I have learned to ask myself first.

            And that generation is also different.
            It just doesn’t suit me when people demonstrate the life principle “Everyone owes me! And to whom I owe, I forgive everyone!” Those who did not want to give their youth and prime of life in the name of saving the USSR are now pushing us to revolutions and coups.
            1. Alexander Salenko
              Alexander Salenko 9 February 2022 19: 52
              +1
              Well, it’s really not clear why the cons, I didn’t downvote and, in part, I agree with you that the citizens of the USSR themselves are certainly to blame. But this is due to a well-fed peaceful life and trust in the party, and three members of the CPSU (b) were knocked out at the front, which is why everything was not very good with party cadres. For example, the head of the KGB, Semichastny, who did not serve in the army like his predecessor Shelepin, but, unlike him, wore a general's uniform, during the war years he was at Komsomol work in Dnepropetrovsk and was evacuated to the rear, finding Komsomol work there too. He did not get to the front, like Shelepin. And you understand for sure that such people are stacking similar ones around them.
              And there were people who actually warned, not even necessarily communists, for example, such an interesting, already deceased character, Eduard Limonov, though he spoke about the separation of Ukraine, but his words turned out to be prophetic. And according to my childhood feelings, the CIS, well, it’s almost like the USSR, only with some kind of extended rights there, which of course I had vague ideas about, I remember the first “free elections” in Crimea well, I was surprised that my parents voted for one candidate, and my grandfather for another. So they were received with enthusiasm. As enthusiastically received by many and cap relationships.

              But in addition to human factors, there are objective events that led the USSR to collapse.
              1. Olga
                Olga 10 February 2022 08: 01
                +2
                Quote: Valentina Salenko
                And there were people who actually warned, not even necessarily communists, for example, such an interesting already deceased character Eduard Limonov

                They didn't want to listen, they didn't take it seriously. Kashpirovsky-Chumaks were occupied with brains.
                Moreover, they themselves supported the propaganda of separatist leaders.
                I remember such statements of adults "we feed them" (republics).
                And millions could not fail to see the coming collapse of the country.
                But what has been done is done.
                Only now, instead of the slogans "... return, bastards, Soviet power ...", it is much more honest to admit your past indifference to the fate of the country, or simply remain silent. And (I repeat) do not incite coups.

                Do you need to drive out the elites? Thus, the polarity of views is also traced in the elites. Some finance Novaya Gazeta, others finance schools where they used to study.
                The Crimeans, here, drove out the agitators-representatives of the Ukrainian elite in 2014.
      2. Alexander Salenko
        Alexander Salenko 9 February 2022 17: 22
        +1
        Well, it's obvious that she was not overthrown at all in order to return. But they often appeal to the Soviet past, because they want to eat a fish and ride an armored train, i.e. so that they fought and worked for them as in the USSR, moreover, of a Stalinist type, but they did not behave like an elite of the Stalinist type, whose sons did not sit in the rear.
  12. VORON538
    VORON538 8 February 2022 15: 29
    -5
    What does the author suggest, what steps should Russia take to reunite Russia, Ukraine, Belarus into a single state? Or an article for the sake of an article? Not for that, the USSR pulled out national orbs to reunite in a few decades. Capitulate to the states and wait for alms, so The USSR has already gone that way, is it not enough? And what way does the author see? hi
    1. Overlock
      Overlock 8 February 2022 17: 25
      +13
      Quote: VORON538
      what steps should Russia take to reunite Russia, Ukraine, Belarus into a single state?

      What can today's Russian "elite" offer their former neighbors in a communal apartment? Nothing but pompous talk about their greatness, their historical imperial mission, about the sacred Chersonese, about the Aryan tribe descended from the Carpathian mountains with an additional chromosome of spirituality. Do you think that Ukrainians and Belarusians are eager to touch our corruption, to meet with "Putin's infantry", which threatens to cut off their heads, wants to go to heaven? Completeness. They have enough of this goodness. So why change the awl for soap?
      In ordinary human relations, the claim to "brotherly dominance" becomes an invitation to hatred between peoples.
      Sooner or later, Moscow declared every new leader in neighboring countries “pro-Western” or “even more pro-Western”, not noticing that in doing so it was passing judgment on its own policy. As a result, out of 14 post-Soviet republics, how many friends do we have left?
      1. Alexander Salenko
        Alexander Salenko 9 February 2022 17: 30
        0
        In fact, Russia can offer the main thing - its own market. That's just what the neighbors are doing does not fit into a reasonable framework, here the same Ukraine has not received European markets, there are only quotas (remember about fair competition and the free market), it has lost the Russian one. This is impossible, but if Ukraine had turned towards Russia tomorrow, economic recovery would have begun, and the same Kherson farmers for the most part were imprisoned for the same Crimea, and now imagine giving them a way to Transcaucasia.
        1. Overlock
          Overlock 9 February 2022 17: 44
          +2
          Quote: Valentina Salenko
          In fact, Russia can offer the main thing - its own market.

          In what directions?
          Quote: Valentina Salenko
          yes, the same Kherson farmers for the most part were imprisoned for the same Crimea, and now imagine giving them a way to Transcaucasia.

          If earlier shuttles from Crimea went to Turkey or Odessa, and after 2014 they went to Cherkizon or Sadovod, then having received products of incomparably worse quality, they again went to Odessa. If you want to live, you will turn
  13. ALARI
    ALARI 8 February 2022 15: 29
    +12
    The author had to speak in the conclusions not of Russia and the West, but of the state institutions of Russia and the state institutions of the West. Russia as a society should not be made guilty and dependent on those who at one time seized control.
    1. place
      place 8 February 2022 15: 44
      +2
      Quote: ALARI
      Russia as a society should not be made guilty and dependent on those who at one time seized control.

      It is not very clear .... The fact that society depends on the elite is just right. How it depends! But if the society is "not to blame", then in general, what is such a society responsible for? If he is not responsible for the history of Russia, then it is quite fair that he does not have any real rights.
      The tsarist minister Stolypin said something on this subject more than a hundred years ago. As for the "dung under the feet of other peoples", so it seems?
      1. ALARI
        ALARI 8 February 2022 15: 56
        +3
        It seems logical to me that the elite should be dependent on society, not vice versa as you write. The elite must serve the society, unless the country has a hereditary absolute monarchy and the head of state does not associate himself with the Master of the N-land. Chicken or egg? Without having real rights, you can not influence anything. Ask yourself the question of the reality that now exists around us, is it me, you and everyone who created it on the site in the country? Is this what we wanted?
        1. Alexander Salenko
          Alexander Salenko 9 February 2022 17: 32
          +1
          In any case, for the most part, we are not strongly against it. It even comes to the ridiculous, the workers are afraid to defend their rights, for example, and I'm not talking about something grandiose. I met one Marxist somehow, so he convinced the workers to knock out the purchase of soap from the owner, it seemed elementary.
          1. ALARI
            ALARI 10 February 2022 08: 48
            0
            We are not strongly opposed - it is not so, we do not want to be like Don Quixote and windmills. You can not be afraid to defend, or if you have the means of subsistence for at least half a year without work or there is an honest court, choose.
      2. Ol willy
        Ol willy 9 February 2022 11: 32
        -3
        "A people without national self-consciousness is manure on which other peoples grow". The great man was
  14. Sergey Valov
    Sergey Valov 8 February 2022 15: 38
    +11
    After these pearls, “he made four attempts to destroy our Motherland (in 1917, 1941, 1991 and 2014)”
    "The Soviet elite of that time (after the purges of 1937) became united with the people in the struggle for the future of the country" -
    I realized that reading this is pointless, the author sailed.
  15. Basarev
    Basarev 8 February 2022 15: 39
    -20
    And since defeat is inevitable, wouldn't it be better to capitulate without bringing matters to a war? At least we will avoid casualties and destruction with the same result.
    1. Alex Nevs
      Alex Nevs 8 February 2022 15: 48
      +12
      No better ... Then all the same, there will be an even stronger defeat.
    2. Knell wardenheart
      Knell wardenheart 8 February 2022 16: 16
      0
      Why capitulate? We're not fighting yet, sort of. It's just not worth aggravating - let's put aside our imperial fantasies until the demography and economy are corrected. Hobbies should always be on time and wallet. The West now has enough to do without us.
      1. Overlock
        Overlock 8 February 2022 17: 16
        +10
        Quote: Knell Wardenheart
        let's postpone our imperial fantasies until demographics and economics straighten out

        If demography and economy, then we will wait until the cancer whistles on the mountain. It is impossible to change the situation in these areas under the existing government. And power clings to power with hands, feet, teeth. Therefore, during her lifetime, we will not see progress.
    3. Alexander Salenko
      Alexander Salenko 9 February 2022 17: 34
      +2
      And who can predict in advance? I watched an analysis of the battle across Poitiers, well, according to all net-gross indicators, the French should have won, but the same alignment was not in our favor in 1941, and if they had surrendered then, are you sure that it would be better? How is the current enemy fundamentally different from that one?
  16. Knell wardenheart
    Knell wardenheart 8 February 2022 15: 44
    +15
    Like the vast majority of the Russian people, I consider the collective West to be our main mortal enemy, which has attempted to destroy our Motherland four times in the last hundred years alone (in 1917, 1941, 1991 and 2014).

    In 1917, we were in the same military alliance with most of the "collective West" - against Germany.
    In 1941 we were in the same military alliance with most of the "collective West" - against Germany.
    In 1991, our elites calmly let go of the ATS, just as calmly as they had released the GDR before. What's with the west? What is it, did the West take something from us?)
    In 2014, "sort of like a pro-Russian uncle" who was holding on to the last snot was thrown off "seemingly like a pro-Western" who also kept on the last snot. Is this from the point of view of the author of "an attempt to destroy our Motherland"? Somehow it doesn't fit.

    As a second example, let's take the confrontation between Germany and the USSR in 1941-1945, when two systems collided in a deadly struggle, having economies and armed forces approximately equal in power, as well as ideologies uniting the elite and society.

    No, we had capital advantages in demographics over GG + allies. Strictly speaking, we had a greater mob potential, and the enemies of the Germans in the west both weakened the Germans and supported us. The combined industrial potential of the European Axis and the European Allies was in favor of the Allies.

    In favor of the Russian world is the fact that in recent decades, against the background of the general degradation of education and the destruction of the moral foundations of society, the political establishment of the collective West is formed from outright losers, perverts and boobies, like Trump, Merkel, Biden, Macron or Johnson. The emergence in its ranks of such strong figures as Roosevelt, Churchill, Hitler, Kennedy, Mussolini, de Gaulle or Franco became in principle impossible.

    How can this speak in favor of the Russian world? In the Russian world, its own stagnation since the late Brezhnev (if Brezhnev is generally considered a "strong" figure) - for 42 years now we have not seen epic personalities comparable to those that the author mentioned as leaders of the "strong west".

    What I would like to tell you, the author - take this "cheers-ideology" out of brackets. Look at the numbers - demographics, industry, mob potential. All these tales about the "weak, corrupted West" are already an old agitprop story, it does not correspond to reality just like our epic steepness or the healthy potency of our "ideas or morals" over the Western ones.
    And we have a decline far greater than most people think, and things in the west are not as bad as some tend to imagine. Ideological tricks are good when demographics are approximately comparable - and if 1 soldier to 3 soldiers, ideology will not take it out. Here they will take out the number of bullets, tank armor, tonnage of explosives, etc. In all these parameters, we have long been inferior not only to the collective West, but also to the United States alone.

    Comparing our forces in this way is completely incorrect.
    1. Alexander Salenko
      Alexander Salenko 9 February 2022 17: 43
      +1
      We didn’t have a magical mob potential, then, if you touch this topic, you should know that we need more soldiers, just compare the regular number of cars in the Wehrmacht division and in the Soviet one, and the needs are approximately comparable. In addition, our main car is a lorry, the Germans have a three-ton.
      I have been doing the Second World War for a long time to say that our Victory is a miracle and this miracle, by the way, provided, whether you like it or not, that system. Can’t you tell us the point of the potential of the allies if the main stream of Lend-Lease flowed in 1943? In reality, the Mongols provided us with first aid with horses and those same quilted jackets.
      Moreover, a significant part of the population of the USSR ended up in the occupied territory. The Germans also had a higher personnel potential, because of how total literacy has been there since the 70s of the 19th century, but we barely passed the graduation and even illiterate soldiers served in the mechanized corps, it is clear that they were not technicians.
      And one more problem, now we are used to the fact that everyone knows the Russian language, and of course, we didn’t have it like Austria-Hungary in WWI, but something similar. In particular, in the Crimea, Mekhlis, who was made a scapegoat with a light suggestion of critics, and Kozlov, sorry for the pun, a kind of wedding general, personally made sure that the Armenians got into the Armenians, the Ingush to the Ingush and they put officers, although somehow their language understanding.
      Your knowledge is the representation of the 90s, and since then historical science has gone far.
  17. bar
    bar 8 February 2022 15: 49
    +5
    As you know, war is waged not by peoples, but by systems.

    Systems start a war, and peoples have to sort it out ...
  18. Bradley
    Bradley 8 February 2022 15: 56
    -2
    Sorry, but is it only the West's fault?
    We think we are the best and everyone else is stupid. We are the smartest, strongest, God's chosen nation, etc.
    We will go to heaven, and everyone else will die ...
    Open hatred for other nations: Ukrainians, Americans, British, Poles and Jews.
    This, by the way, is fascism, if anything.

    About "secret societies" also amused. Let me guess - reptilians? Seriously?

    Part of the article is quite good, but some moments just kill everything.

    And if you answer the question:
    Is Russia ready for war with the West?

    No, not ready.
    1. Dron_sk
      Dron_sk 8 February 2022 16: 23
      +5
      Open hatred for other nations? Have you confused anything? Look at the mini-football match that took place recently between Ukraine and Russia, there Ukrainians in chants openly call for killing Russians and not vice versa, and other insulting chants are shouting. And on the Maidan, who shouted: "Moskolyak to Gilyak"? Was it not in Ukraine that people were beaten and killed simply because they spoke Russian? It turns out that after all this, fascism is not in Ukraine, but in Russia ...
      1. ALARI
        ALARI 8 February 2022 16: 54
        +8
        And what have you not read here, especially lately, people are ready to burn, kill, crush, poison everything indiscriminately, those who are different in nationality, thoughts, gender self-determination.
        1. Alexander Salenko
          Alexander Salenko 9 February 2022 17: 47
          0
          What is gender identity? Any biologist will tell you that this is nonsense.
          1. ALARI
            ALARI 10 February 2022 09: 07
            0
            And here biology is pure psychology. If a person of one sex associates himself with another sex, this is psychology.
            1. Alexander Salenko
              Alexander Salenko 10 February 2022 19: 49
              +1
              This is psychiatry.
              1. ALARI
                ALARI 11 February 2022 09: 30
                0
                Or so I agree.
      2. Blackmokona
        Blackmokona 8 February 2022 17: 02
        +7
        Read comments on TopWar in topics about Ukraine, constant insults to Ukrainians and proposals to destroy the country and its people inhabiting it by cd, in plus messages. There is one radish on both sides.
        1. Dron_sk
          Dron_sk 8 February 2022 17: 43
          -7
          See examples where at least one of the Russian people calls for the killing of Ukrainians? .. Only not in the comments, but in the video and in plain text and not from the video shot on the phone, it is not clear where and by whom, but from the videos that were broadcast by the world media. Even the most notorious Russian jingoistic patriots on all sorts of talk shows like Solovyov and Zhirinovsky, if they offered to destroy, then only extreme Ukrainian nationalists, various kinds of punishers and just bandits who, under the guise of these nationalists, committed atrocities in the Donbass, Luhansk, Odessa and on the Maidan, including those who are responsible for the beatings and murders of pro-Russian citizens of Ukraine, Berkut fighters, ordinary citizens of Donbass and Lugansk. And on the part of the Ukrainians, there are just the same statements to kill all Russians, that is, indiscriminately. This is fascism. And I gave you examples that the whole world could see. Now it's your turn.
          In any case, the main thing is the actions that one side or the other performs. Ukraine conducts a complete blockade of Crimea, Donbas and Luhansk. Including the water blockade of the Crimea. Does not pay them all the required state social payments. With Donbass and Lugansk, he says that he is generally at war. That is, they do not care about those people who live in these territories, they only need the territories themselves! But these are the same people who lived there when these territories were part of Ukraine! Russia, on the contrary, supplies water and everything necessary to Crimea and Donbas and Lugansk and pays social benefits to their citizens. And Ukraine prefers to spend the last money not on its citizens, but on weapons from Britain, the USA, Turkey, in order to force the citizens of Donbass, Luhansk and then Crimea to return to Ukraine by force.
      3. Overlock
        Overlock 8 February 2022 17: 13
        +4
        Quote: Dron_sk
        there Ukrainians in chants openly call to kill Russians and not vice versa

        Do you think such statements of government officials add love?
        1. Dron_sk
          Dron_sk 8 February 2022 17: 54
          -3
          even in this example, there are no calls to kill Ukrainians! ... Do you really not see the difference between open calls to kill Russians and calls to change this fascist government that supports these calls for murder, or are you pretending?
          1. Overlock
            Overlock 8 February 2022 18: 07
            +1
            Quote: Dron_sk
            Do you really not see the difference between open calls to kill Russians and calls to change this fascist government that supports these calls for murder or are you pretending?

            First. Find Bandera and fascists in Ukraine, whom Tolstoy was going to broadcast?
            Second. His calls are interference in the affairs of a foreign state
            Third. Ukraine must solve its own problem.
            If we do according to Tolstoy, then China will not like the attitude towards the Buryats, who live in poverty, and they come to save them with the help of weapons. Will that suit you?
            By the way! Do you know that Russians also serve in military battalions in the ATO and the Armed Forces of Ukraine? Then why do you think Russians kill Russians?
            1. Dron_sk
              Dron_sk 8 February 2022 18: 25
              -4
              Are you deliberately ignoring the phrase "calls to kill Russians"? Crimea, Donbass and Lugansk separated from Ukraine not because of the financial situation, although even Gordon himself, an ardent patriot of Ukraine, admitted in an interview with Poklonskaya that the Ukrainian authorities for a long time scored on the affairs of Crimea when he was part of it. And the mentioned regions separated from Ukraine precisely because people came to power in Ukraine who supported the nationalists with their slogans "kill Russians", ban the Russian language and the Russian world, and so on. And these regions have been Russian-speaking from time immemorial and are inhabited mainly by Russian people! If the Buryat/Tatar/Chechen language is banned in Russia and calls are made to kill Buryats/Tatars/Chechens, then I will be the first to support the right of these nations to be protected from extermination and to separate from the country in which such calls take place, especially if these calls are supported by the authorities.
              1. Overlock
                Overlock 8 February 2022 21: 38
                0
                Quote: Dron_sk
                Are you deliberately ignoring the phrase "calls to kill Russians"?

                By no means! There were such calls, I do not argue. But there are also retroactive appeals, you have seen.
                Quote: Dron_sk
                Crimea, Donbas and Lugansk separated from Ukraine not because of the financial situation

                Is anyone arguing about this?
                Quote: Dron_sk
                And these regions have been Russian-speaking from time immemorial and are inhabited mainly by Russian people!

                I do not argue. BUT! Answer the question: why did the Russians of Ukraine go to war with the Russians of the LDNR?
                1. Dron_sk
                  Dron_sk 9 February 2022 01: 12
                  -3
                  Russians who are fighting for today's Ukraine, that is, for a government that prohibits the Russian language and the Russian world? ... Some kind of surrealism ... Or are you tending to the fact that all the most enlightened who simply hate Putin are fighting on the side of Ukraine, including including brave Russian patriots who want all the best for Russia and therefore want a change of power in Russia? Don't you think that this is complete nonsense, and if there are such people, then these are no longer Russian people?
                  1. Overlock
                    Overlock 9 February 2022 17: 14
                    +2
                    Quote: Dron_sk
                    Russians who are fighting for today's Ukraine, that is, for a government that prohibits the Russian language and the Russian world?... Some kind of surrealism...

                    Not surrealism, but reality. Browse at your leisure
                    https://www.tribunal-today.ru/vazhnaya-informatsiya/batalony-ato/
                    Quote: Dron_sk
                    Or are you tending to the fact that all the most enlightened who simply hate Putin are fighting on the side of Ukraine, including the brave Russian patriots who want all the best for Russia and therefore want a change of power in Russia?

                    And there were those
                    Quote: Dron_sk
                    At the same time, they are not embarrassed by the slogans of Ukrainian nationalists "kill the Russians", under whose command they serve there?

                    So I asked you this question.
                  2. Alexander Salenko
                    Alexander Salenko 9 February 2022 17: 52
                    +2
                    Here he is right, in fact, there are quite a few Russians in the Armed Forces of Ukraine, including some from Russia, skinheads have come in large numbers, in particular from the Crimea, a friend of mine knows several of them.
                    1. Dron_sk
                      Dron_sk 9 February 2022 22: 02
                      -1
                      This only proves that all sorts of scum driven by hatred have been recruited into the Armed Forces of Ukraine. And on the other side, people just want a peaceful life, and they don’t want this scum to get into their lands.
            2. Alexander Salenko
              Alexander Salenko 9 February 2022 17: 50
              +1
              Regarding the first one, I would show you if you would have hit the road with me to Kiev on February 18, 2014 and went to the Mariinsky Park. There is a video on YouTube, but everything has been cleaned up from our side.
    2. Alexander Salenko
      Alexander Salenko 9 February 2022 17: 46
      0
      Is there a Ukrainian nation? Well, I can partly agree that it can be formed, there is the Ukrainian people, but what is a nation, do you understand exactly? And it was Russia that wanted to be friends with everyone, so do not pull an owl on the globe and let's pose another question: is the West ready to fight with Russia? For the sake of interest, see how many combat-ready tanks are in the Bundeswehr.
      1. victor50
        victor50 9 February 2022 19: 41
        0
        Quote: Valentina Salenko
        For the sake of interest, see how many combat-ready tanks are in the Bundeswehr.

        And the number of aircraft, cruise missiles, etc. we and NATO should not be compared?
        1. Alexander Salenko
          Alexander Salenko 9 February 2022 19: 57
          0
          It is worth it, but when will they be able to arrive in the combat area, and will they arrive?
          1. victor50
            victor50 9 February 2022 19: 59
            0
            Quote: Valentina Salenko
            It is worth it, but when will they be able to arrive in the combat area, and will they arrive?

            Are you sure that the tanks whose condition is being compared will arrive there before the planes? laughing
            1. Alexander Salenko
              Alexander Salenko 9 February 2022 20: 03
              -1
              It depends on where the planes will fly from, and Russia, too, with its planes and ground-based air defense systems, including those covering these tank columns, and the Iskanders are definitely faster.
              Are you sure that NATO will take up arms in unison? American planes in Europe may not be enough.
              1. victor50
                victor50 9 February 2022 20: 05
                0
                Quote: Valentina Salenko
                It depends on where the planes will fly from, and Russia, too, with its planes and ground-based air defense systems, including those covering these tank columns, and the Iskanders are definitely faster.

                Is this how you see the winning strategy? In tank columns?!
                1. Alexander Salenko
                  Alexander Salenko 9 February 2022 20: 06
                  -1
                  Including, I already spoke to one interlocutor about the Iraq war, so that he looked at the US tank columns as weirdos. Or are you one of those alternatives who say that tanks are not needed?
                  1. victor50
                    victor50 9 February 2022 20: 11
                    0
                    Quote: Valentina Salenko
                    Or are you one of those alternatives who say that tanks are not needed?

                    I am one of those "alternatives" who realistically assess the capabilities and state of society and the armed forces, guided by non-propaganda clichés and a capricious mood. And for the alternative ... Well ... Sofa strategist of you and rushing! hi With the appropriate level of knowledge and the selection and fitting of information to fit your theory.
                    1. Alexander Salenko
                      Alexander Salenko 9 February 2022 20: 15
                      0
                      But I don’t pretend to be a strategist, and in general a historian, because what I say has already happened, and I’m not gag, unlike you. I myself live in the border region and I see how soldiers are trained and the difference in comparison with the Ukrainian time is huge. And if I'm a hat thrower, then you're an all-rounder.
  19. Mikhail Sidorov
    Mikhail Sidorov 8 February 2022 15: 56
    +9
    The beginning of the article is good, much is correct. And then twenty-five again. The author will not fight NATO with cannons and tanks. Only the GDP press conference took place after Macron. Find and listen to the war with NATO. It is necessary to develop the economy, it is necessary to raise the standard of living. Who will give us time for this, dear author. Ukraine asks to deploy NATO weapons near Kharkov, you can say in my garden. Personally, I feel the danger from Ukraine and it is very real. The issue must be resolved once and for all.
    1. New Year day
      New Year day 8 February 2022 16: 13
      +5
      Quote: Mikhail Sidorov
      It is necessary to develop the economy, it is necessary to raise the standard of living. Who will give us time for this, dear author

      And what did they do for this in 14 years? - Nothing! Now the train has left!
      Quote: Mikhail Sidorov
      The issue with her should be resolved once

      Decide without economics and without ideology. Please specify the price of this solution.
      1. Mikhail Sidorov
        Mikhail Sidorov 8 February 2022 16: 23
        +6
        Decide without economics and without ideology. Please specify the price of this solution.

        God forbid, of course, but the war will not ask us what kind of ideology and economy we have.
        1. New Year day
          New Year day 8 February 2022 22: 13
          +1
          Quote: Mikhail Sidorov
          God forbid, of course, but the war will not ask us what kind of ideology we have and

          I'm sorry, but without this there will be no victory
      2. Olga
        Olga 8 February 2022 19: 37
        +4
        Quote: Silvestr
        And what did they do for this in 14 years? - Nothing! Now the train has left!

        Why 14 years old? What's the starting point?
        Why not take 30 years, but 22 years is better?
        1. New Year day
          New Year day 8 February 2022 22: 16
          +3
          Quote: Olga
          Why 14 years old?

          Until 2014, the relationship was more or less. After this date, out. According to NATO, the annexation of Crimea is a redrawing of borders. After this date, the exodus of investments began, the export of capital intensified, the blocking of technologies began, the ruble exchange rate fell, etc.
          1. Olga
            Olga 9 February 2022 08: 07
            +1
            You write:
            Quote: Silvestr
            And what did they do for this in 14 years?

            (not since 2014).
            In connection with this, my question was.

            Secondly, is it correct to compare with 2014?
            Under the sanctions, the country cannot develop at the same pace. But we were predicted to die in three to five years.
            And we live. And the previously launched programs and projects (their financing) were practically not curtailed. The OPK was pulled up. I won’t even talk about the ruble exchange rate (this is not an unambiguous, capacious topic, but if you are talking about the development of production, it’s strange to call for its strengthening)
            I'm not saying we're perfect.
            I say "we turned the mountain."
            And you say "why didn't you turn two mountains?".

            And the West will not watch our development from the outside and rejoice in it. We will be destroyed if we do not blackmail mutually.
            Then we will certainly slide into the territory of a permanent war.

            Everyone points to China, they say, look how good they are.
            It only took them 40 years to do it.
            And we are waiting for the result in 8 years. It's strange somehow.
            1. victor50
              victor50 9 February 2022 19: 45
              0
              Quote: Olga
              Under the sanctions, the country cannot develop at the same pace. But we were predicted to die in three to five years.

              Modern prophets both on the one hand and on the other (Ukraine has been dying tomorrow for 8 years laughing ) you need, as in a joke, to hang up so that at least the direction of the wind is shown.
          2. Alexander Salenko
            Alexander Salenko 9 February 2022 17: 57
            +2
            Yes, do not talk nonsense, what was more or less the relationship? Where did you see them yo-mayo? I lived in this state for 23 years, in the media about Russia, at best, it is neutral.
      3. Alexander Salenko
        Alexander Salenko 9 February 2022 17: 56
        0
        Of course, I’m not for capitalism, but is it that Russia doesn’t have an economy? Are you serious? One Russian, when we joined Russia, asked what we have in Crimea besides the sea? Here you have approximately the same ideas about the Russian economy. So this man went nuts when I told him what is grown and produced in our country.
        But I'm planning to buy a car and now I choose, I want more Iksrey, but I can afford Vesta more - it's made in Russia and the quality is normal.
    2. Overlock
      Overlock 8 February 2022 17: 09
      +6
      Quote: Mikhail Sidorov
      Ukraine asks to deploy NATO weapons near Kharkov, you can say in my garden.

      As you remember, one of the reasons for the annexation of Crimea was the slogan to prevent NATO bases in Crimea, and this is true. After 8 years, a simple question arises: how is the NATO base in Crimea militarily different from the base near Kharkov, Ochakov, Odessa and somewhere else? I guess nothing. The second question arises - was it predicted in 2014? After all, having received Crimea, Russia received Ukraine as an enemy. To what extent did this changge turn out to be acceptable for us? Maybe in 2014 it was necessary to do something differently?
      1. Mikhail Sidorov
        Mikhail Sidorov 8 February 2022 17: 38
        +11
        In 2014, GDP was wrong again. Under the hooting of advisers and godfathers, the issue with Ukraine was not resolved. Moreover, weapons (the so-called old and defective ones) were transferred from the Crimea, under the giggling of our press. After that, Ukrainian enterprises were loaded with orders for the repair and restoration of equipment. Now the situation only tends to worsen. Hydra needs to chop off the heads there is no other way out.
        1. Alexander Salenko
          Alexander Salenko 9 February 2022 18: 07
          +1
          Just a lot of Ukrainian armored vehicles left to fight for the Donbass, acquaintances looked at the ferries and you can see there.
      2. Alexander Salenko
        Alexander Salenko 9 February 2022 18: 06
        +1
        For starters, the base in Crimea differs from the base near Kharkov in everything. You can drive to Kharkov in a few hours, but crossing the Kerch Strait is not so easy, although it is small, the current there is strong. I don't recommend swimming.
        With the NATO Crimea, Russia would turn into a regional Black Sea power, and with the Crimea, it is dominant and only a frankly short-sighted person cannot fail to understand this.
        Ukraine was an unfriendly state, enough to spread this nonsense after Sylvester. I repeat. I have been a citizen of this state for 23 years and I probably know what I am talking about. You read textbooks on Ukrainian history. And take their heroes. these are princes Vladimir and Yaroslav, who, from their point of view, are Ukrainian, well, Danila Galitsky is understandable, and then Mazepa, Petlyura, Bandera, i.e. those who fought or opposed the Russians. Studying in Simferopol at the history department, we did not study the partisan movement in Ukraine properly, so we briefly ran at the level with the UPA, it was either 199 or 2000, this academic year is shorter, it doesn’t even smell like the first Maidan.
  20. Mordvin 3
    Mordvin 3 8 February 2022 15: 59
    +5
    I remembered the joke. A journalist interviews a Caucasian "How did you live to be one hundred and twenty years old? I don't drink and don't smoke and not the same thing .... Oh, what a fine fellow you are! swears at his wives where they hid the vodka and his tobacco.
  21. Keyser soze
    Keyser soze 8 February 2022 16: 04
    +1
    US President John F. Kennedy, for which he was immediately shot by his own special services.


    Finally they told me who shot Kenedy. Another great secret is revealed in full, only today and only in VO. laughing
  22. anclevalico
    anclevalico 8 February 2022 16: 05
    +7
    I wonder how quickly the elite will drop from Russia to the kids in London, in the event of a mess? In this scenario, pressing the button on the nuclear suitcase can not wait.
    1. Mikhail Sidorov
      Mikhail Sidorov 8 February 2022 16: 30
      +4
      I think that the elite who will send to London has nothing to do with the nuclear suitcase.
    2. Mordvin 3
      Mordvin 3 8 February 2022 17: 34
      0
      Quote: anclevalico
      I wonder how quickly the elite will get from Russia to the kids in London, in the event of a mess?

      As one billionaire said: "We are all sitting on suitcases." Some people didn't like it and they quickly removed it.
    3. Alexander Salenko
      Alexander Salenko 9 February 2022 18: 08
      0
      Where is there to run? Big capital can only be guaranteed by the state, and so the question of the legality of owning property will immediately arise for them.
  23. t-12
    t-12 8 February 2022 16: 09
    +4
    How many wars did Russia have for which it was ready? Napoleon took and burned Moscow, the First World War led to the collapse of the empire and civil war, Hitler reached Moscow and Stalingrad (and almost took them).

    Now the only defense of Russia is vigorous loaves. Everything else (and technology, and the economy, and culture, and demography, and the preparation of a mobile reserve, and so on) is at a very low level. Even with the virus, Russia did not cope (but China coped - quickly and harshly).
    1. Vadim237
      Vadim237 8 February 2022 17: 34
      -10
      Even with the virus, Russia did not cope (but China coped - quickly and harshly). Yes, it didn’t cope like all other countries of the world, just like China, which again introduces coronavirus restrictions at home - for that Russia made the first vaccine that is used by more than 70 countries of the world.
      1. Mordvin 3
        Mordvin 3 8 February 2022 17: 44
        +3
        Quote: Vadim237
        Yes, it failed like all other countries in the world

        Vadik, are you still wearing a mask? People like you fined me fifteen hundred.
    2. Ol willy
      Ol willy 9 February 2022 11: 38
      +1
      Taschemta, the war of 1812 is a rare example when Russia from the very beginning had a clear plan of action and this plan was carried out from beginning to end. A lot of devils were hung on Barclay, but then he was replaced by Kutuzov - who clearly continued the strategy of his predecessor.
      1. t-12
        t-12 9 February 2022 14: 46
        0
        "A clear plan of action" - is it the defense of the Drissa camp, which was already abandoned on the spot? And dispersed corps, which could only be connected in Smolensk?
        1. Alexander Salenko
          Alexander Salenko 9 February 2022 18: 10
          +1
          were the 1st and 2nd armies dispersed, or maybe they were not located like that by chance? And the plan for guerrilla warfare was also developed in advance.
        2. Alex777
          Alex777 9 February 2022 18: 18
          +1
          Barclay de Tolly developed this plan long before 1812.
          He received the approval of the emperor and the post of minister.
  24. nikvic46
    nikvic46 8 February 2022 16: 30
    +3
    I do not like polar points of view on the military theme. But if you're talking, I'll say it. Everyone who dreams of starting a war dreams of a fleeting war. But history has shown that even with the perfection of military equipment, the war did not shorten, but became longer. And in such a war, human and economic resources are the main thing. This means that the entire industry should be in the same hands . And here only the military industry will not be enough. Civilian enterprises will have to be connected. And they should be ready for this in peacetime. Pay no attention to it. It's just a legend.
    1. Alexander Salenko
      Alexander Salenko 9 February 2022 18: 13
      -1
      I don’t agree, let’s say WWII is 6 years old, WWI is 4 years old, but let’s say a 7-year all-European war, the name itself speaks for itself, and before that, the all-European war of 30 years is also called. The Northern War lasted 21 years, the wars with the Turks lasted 4-6 years, then the period began to fall to one and a half years, say 1828-29, or 1877-78
      I do not take the war with the partisans into account.
  25. 1536
    1536 8 February 2022 16: 36
    -5
    The author contradicts himself, as do many others who today stand up for the "reorganization of society" under the "new socialist slogans of social equality." Firstly, if our elite is so incompetent, why hasn’t it still merged everyone and everything, as in Ukraine, for example, and hasn’t completely ruined the country and people, hasn’t arranged some kind of war, etc.? Say no one takes? Unlikely. Many understand that it is better to be the master in your own house than even to be the manager, but in someone else's. Secondly, if we are so backward and can only make two 5th generation aircraft, what will happen if we begin to implement this very "social equality"? Where does it suddenly come from, if even women's tights (what kind of planes are there?) will not be made on anything, because the equipment for their production is completely foreign, but there is no one of our own. So there's a shortage again? Or perhaps go the way of expropriating the expropriators of the past? Original approach, you will agree. "People's enterprises", communes, as in 1917. But then came 1918 with its civil war and foreign military intervention. Almost died then. Thirdly, and this is where the author is right, this is that it is impossible to fight today, and war must be prevented by all means. That is why it is necessary to counteract the US and EU government so that these bandits have no illusions that Russia will not respond to their aggression. It is possible and necessary to talk with this gang of hungry filibusters, otherwise they may think that they are so afraid that they swallowed their tongue. And, finally, fourthly, about the "Russian world". The first sign of this or that world is the language in which people speak. So, according to the UN, the global population in 2010 was about 7 billion people. Of these, 260 million speak Russian, or 3,8% of the total population. But the fact is that in 1980 the world's population was less than 5 billion people, and then 6,3% of the population, or 280 million people, spoke Russian. Thus, with an increase in the population of the Earth, there is a decrease in the share of the use of the Russian language in communication and the information component. But there is no disaster here. The percentage of those who know and speak Russian is still at a certain level. Rather, here is the result of doing nothing on the part of the Russian state. Why is Russia literally flooded with English teachers from the USA and Britain - our worst enemies, and, for example, in Africa, India, China, even in Kazakhstan or Belarus, there are no Russian language teachers, Russian language schools or there are so few of them that it is refers to the statistical error. Here is the beginning of all our troubles, when some drunken scoundrel dares to accuse Russia of the seven deadly sins, and they begin to believe him, and there is no one to refute this drunken nonsense or conscious misinformation. The spread of the Russian language, why not a national idea?
    1. Shahno
      Shahno 8 February 2022 16: 43
      -6
      //Why is Russia literally flooded with English teachers from the US and Britain - our worst enemies, eh,//
      And what's wrong with that. I will be very happy if my children are able to communicate in more languages.
      As for the spread of the language: how many communicate in Arabic, under a billion, and in Hebrew, God forbid, 50 million. And how are the results?
      1. 1536
        1536 8 February 2022 16: 45
        +4
        There is nothing wrong with that. I agree with you. But the only bad thing is that teachers Russian language not in Africa, in India, in China, in the Middle East, in Central Asia, in the countries of Western Europe, finally. in the same number as English teachers here.
        1. ALARI
          ALARI 8 February 2022 17: 04
          +2
          The fact that there are no Russian language teachers in Africa, India, China, the Middle East, Central Asia, etc. in the same number as English teachers here - are the English teachers to blame? Where is the once advertised Rossotrudnichestvo as an analogue of the Peace Corps? There is an agency with a staff, but there are no cases in sight. Cause and effect - start with the cause.
      2. Overlock
        Overlock 8 February 2022 16: 50
        +2
        Quote: Shahno
        And what's wrong with that. I will be very happy if my children are able to communicate in more languages.

        Now without languages ​​anywhere. This is the need for life and personal development
        1. Mordvin 3
          Mordvin 3 8 February 2022 17: 38
          -5
          Quote: Overlock
          Now without languages ​​anywhere. This is the need for life and personal development

          Nonsense is complete. Are you studying English? Well, you are a fan of the British.
          1. Overlock
            Overlock 8 February 2022 17: 49
            +4
            Quote: Mordvin 3
            Are you studying English? Well, you are a fan of the British.

            I am a fan of the world's special literature, while our "scientists" are simply rewriting old books from each other
            1. Mordvin 3
              Mordvin 3 8 February 2022 17: 53
              -4
              Quote: Overlock
              Quote: Mordvin 3
              Are you studying English? Well, you are a fan of the British.

              I am a fan of the world's special literature, while our "scientists" are simply rewriting old books from each other

              Excuses. And non-green.
              1. Overlock
                Overlock 8 February 2022 18: 03
                +3
                Quote: Mordvin 3
                Excuses. And non-green.

                but real
                1. Mordvin 3
                  Mordvin 3 8 February 2022 18: 07
                  +2
                  Quote: Overlock
                  Quote: Mordvin 3
                  Excuses. And non-green.

                  but real

                  Seryoga, well, be fair to yourself.
            2. Shahno
              Shahno 8 February 2022 17: 54
              0
              At the age of 40, I realized that I didn’t study Arabic well. My wife and I then traveled to Egypt and Morocco. Well, I'm kind of so cool, I know languages, and Elena was 15 years younger than me.
              1. Mordvin 3
                Mordvin 3 8 February 2022 18: 23
                -1
                Quote: Shahno
                and Elena was 15 years younger than me.

                Wow, what a good guy!
                1. Shahno
                  Shahno 8 February 2022 18: 28
                  -1
                  Yes thank you. Divorced already..
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                  2. Alexander Salenko
                    Alexander Salenko 9 February 2022 18: 21
                    0
                    My wife is 6 years younger and sometimes it feels like the one that Valentina stupid engine put what is written in the email and you can’t fix it. So you need a lot of attention when the wife is young.
        2. Alexander Salenko
          Alexander Salenko 9 February 2022 18: 18
          0
          Come on, so I studied German at school and university, but I didn’t need it and English is not needed. Now, if I went to the scientists, it was necessary there, why, say, a security guard, a cashier, a salesman, and so on, to know someone's language? I have a new book out there, I can’t finish reading a nickname, although I know and respect its author, but because this is not a detective story, but a serious study of the Inkerman battle and you no longer perceive it tired. That's what is enough, and even then not always, so for educational videos.
    2. Overlock
      Overlock 8 February 2022 17: 04
      -2
      Quote: 1536
      if our elite is so incompetent, why hasn’t it still merged everyone and everything, as in Ukraine,

      Because she's under the hood. For every millionaire or billionaire there is a daddy with his sins and it serves as a guarantee of the person's loyalty. Especially the rich are led throughout life, so as not to sing inadvertently.
      Quote: 1536
      and did not finally ruin the country and people, did not arrange some kind of war, etc.

      She earns money in the country, so why cut this chicken? But when the critical days come, then their money will be used to raise the people to protests. Where is the rush now?
      Quote: 1536
      That is why it is necessary to counteract the US and EU government so that these bandits have no illusions that Russia will not respond to their aggression

      Here they resist as best they can. But at the heart of the confrontation is bargaining! Bargaining for a place under the sun of the West for our newly-minted rich. Until they agree on a price. Putin does not need it, so this problem is for the rest. Therein lies the conflict.
      Quote: 1536
      for example, in Africa, in India, in China, even in Kazakhstan or Belarus there are no teachers of the Russian language, Russian language schools or there are so few of them,

      There is such a person - Zatulin, who was the chairman of the Committee for CIS Affairs and Relations with Compatriots, the Chairman of the State Duma Commission on the Black Sea Fleet (1995), the initiator of the creation of the Government Commission of the Russian Federation for Compatriots Abroad (1994) and the Council of Compatriots under the State Duma of the Russian Federation (1995).
      What are his achievements? - None. By 2014, Russia approached the situation in Ukraine without grassroots organizations, without the support of the population. Question: what did the money allocated by the state for this go to? In contrast, take the United States: by 2014, they came with an extensive network of grassroots organizations, the presence of controlled government bodies and personalities who voiced their decisions.
      1. 1536
        1536 8 February 2022 17: 21
        -6
        Dear, so what is the conclusion from your so much detailed analysis? Not knowing the ford, do not poke your head into the water? Or will we destroy the whole world of violence to the ground, and then? Practice shows that this "then" ends very badly for everyone. Maybe stop ratting on everyone and everything and come out as a united front "for all the good against all the bad." Is this a famous slogan? Is not it? And then again it turns out that while the "Bolsheviks were at the barricades," the "provisional government" seized power in the country ... How many revolutions can you make, isn't it time to get down to business, including this comrade. Zatulin, about whom you said everything very correctly.
        1. Overlock
          Overlock 8 February 2022 17: 50
          +3
          Quote: 1536
          Dear, so what is the conclusion from your so much detailed analysis?

          The conclusion is simple - there is nothing to blame on the mirror if the performers did not do anything and do not do anything.
          Quote: 1536
          Isn't it time to get down to business, including this Comrade. Zatulin, about whom you said everything very correctly.

          Why can't they make Rogozin work, for example?
      2. Alexander Salenko
        Alexander Salenko 9 February 2022 18: 24
        0
        I won’t say specifically about Zatulin, although he often flashed by, because you are talking about the years of my senior school age and student days. But the Moscow-Crimea Foundation operated in Crimea, so it cannot be said that Russia did nothing and the foundation awarded scholarships for students' work on the relations between Russia and Crimea, but in the late 90s, the coup in Crimea was finally completed, the infringement of serious autonomous rights and such indecency from the point of view of Kiev was closed - this is the question of relations with Ukraine spoiled.
  26. parusnik
    parusnik 8 February 2022 16: 39
    +2
    Again about the war and what needs to be done. Everything has already been done, what kind of war? Late to drink Essentuki No. 14 smile The only thing is, we have never lived so badly as under Biden laughing
    1. sergo1914
      sergo1914 8 February 2022 17: 30
      +1
      Quote: parusnik
      The only thing is, we have never lived so badly as under Biden


      And we live here under Putin... And how do you like your national debt? Sarcasm, if anything.
  27. Overlock
    Overlock 8 February 2022 16: 49
    +1
    And when was Russia ready for war? - In 1939, 1941, Afghanistan, 2014? And in all cases, there were reasons for this. The end result was achieved at the expense of human casualties, the colossal tension of the whole country.
    And the success of the country was ensured by the selfless work of people, the unity of power and people, the faith of the people in their country, the leader. Do we have it now? - Of course not! Accordingly, we predict the result!
    1. Alexander Salenko
      Alexander Salenko 9 February 2022 18: 26
      -1
      Well, yes, the whole of Europe attacked the USSR and it is strange that we had many victims, although military losses are comparable and it took a lot of stress on the country.
      If anything, the cons are not mine.
  28. Tagan
    Tagan 8 February 2022 16: 57
    +2
    Quote: Basarev
    And since defeat is inevitable, wouldn't it be better to capitulate without bringing matters to a war? At least we will avoid casualties and destruction with the same result.

    You either put on your panties or take off the cross.
    Don't escape. Only not victims, but rather, punishment. Russia will cross your throat.
  29. lis-ik
    lis-ik 8 February 2022 17: 04
    -4
    The author managed to set out in the article the most important problems of modern Russia, I will sign under every word, as if he outlined my thoughts and reflections. The only issue not touched upon is the jingoistic patriots who have been nurtured on TV propaganda and categorically do not want to see the real state of affairs in the country.
  30. vargo
    vargo 8 February 2022 17: 06
    +5
    For me, this is a very superficial analysis, motivated emotional nourishment of the text, and pulling an owl. The author clearly wanted to say only one thing, "do not fight!" or "surrender", depending on the purpose of the phrase. Yes, I myself am against the war, but I don’t think it’s right to surrender! The author argues very ideologically. For him, the West is united and coordinated. According to the author, there is an army in the west, and we have an army that drinks and smokes. What? Do they smoke or drink there? Yes, what am I, disassembling such an article will be 2-3 times longer than the article itself, and it’s of little use. I thought I would read a comprehensively formed competent opinion, but I read only a cry from the layman.
    1. anykin
      anykin 9 February 2022 10: 13
      +2
      “In recent years, the Russian army has also undergone modernization and confidently ranks second in the world rankings. We are especially strong in the field of artillery and MLRS, electronic warfare, air defense and nuclear arsenal.

      But the matter is being ruined by a lack of human resources, a weak and dependent on the West economy, which still cannot part with its raw material status and is controlled by outright agents of the West.
      So confidently the second or the case is ruined?)
  31. sergo1914
    sergo1914 8 February 2022 17: 26
    0
    Like the vast majority of Russian people, I consider the collective West to be our main mortal enemy, which has attempted to destroy our Motherland four times in the last hundred years alone (in 1917, 1941, 1991 and 2014).

    What does the author mean?
    1) 1917 - The October Revolution revived Russia, eventually creating the USSR. If the author means intervention, that's how it began in 1918
    2) 1941 - no questions asked.
    3) 1991 - what? What is the collective West? They did great on their own.
    4) 2014 - what was that? Maybe my homeland and the author are different? No one encroached on the Russian Federation in 2014. For the purpose of destruction. However, it is possible that during this time period either I or the author were in some other reality.

    united Russian people is artificially divided into "Russians", "Ukrainians", "Belarusians" and "Cossacks"who are violently pitted against each other, deprived of the meaning of life, physically destroyed by socio-economic hopelessness, poverty and poverty, vodka and drugs, while populating the endangered lands with millions of alien migrants.

    Well, firstly, probably, "Kazakhs", and secondly, you will not lure "millions of newcomers" to, for example, the dying cities and villages of the Non-Black Earth Region for any price. Arriving in my native Severodvinsk, I see loaders, janitors, taxi drivers - Slavs. Even the eyes are hurt by such a discrepancy with the reality of the capital.

    We have a stupid and corrupt "elite", a weak economy dependent on the West, very little money and human resources. And most importantly, there is no ideology and image of the future.

    Damn, I usually get banned for this.

    But here, like a light in the window ...
    Consequently, in order to win (and in the current conditions it is to preserve Russian statehood under the pressure of the collective West), we need a nationally oriented and state-minded elite, an economic policy aimed at strengthening the state, reviving education, healthcare and the social sphere.
    This will put an end to the extinction of the people, while simultaneously increasing its birth rate, cultural and technical education. It is necessary to carry out a new large-scale industrialization and the revival of the Russian village, which will ensure the technical and food security of the country.

    The wrong person is sitting in the Kremlin... The wrong one...
    1. Alex777
      Alex777 9 February 2022 18: 11
      0
      The last sentence should have been marked as sarcasm. wink
  32. Amateur
    Amateur 8 February 2022 17: 36
    +1
    Well right
    The Art of War is an ancient Chinese treatise on the military strategy and politics of Sun Tzu.

    It is a pity that all people who know how to run the state are already working as taxi drivers or hairdressers.
    (F.Mitterrand, ex-president of France)
  33. Tiger
    Tiger 8 February 2022 17: 36
    -4
    Another whining "everything is lost" again! Aren't the enemies tired of playing along with such an "analysis of the situation"? If you really think about it seriously. And the situation is indeed serious. Only, like many times already in history, Russia is not to blame for this! It has already been said many times: “We don’t climb into them! They pop into our house!”
    We have a stupid and corrupt "elite", a weak economy dependent on the West, very little money and human resources. And most importantly, there is no ideology and image of the future.

    Name a country where its entire population (people) considers its elite "sharp" and not corrupt? Is there such a thing in the world???
    Name a country where the economy is strong and independent of the West (and the East)?
    Name a country where a lot of money is going now ??? An example of the United States with a pocket cash machine is negligible ... Debt is higher than the economy itself and debt bondage of many generations is an example for idiots!
    For any country that has been declared war, the availability of money (budget) does not play any role. What matters is the mobilization potential, gold and foreign exchange reserves (and even then, not significantly) and allied relations with other countries! This is in terms of the economic, if you take.
    ... the once united and powerful state is going through a period of feudal fragmentation and wars, the united Russian people are artificially divided into "Russians", "Ukrainians", "Belarusians" and "Cossacks", who are violently pitted against each other, depriving the meaning of life ...

    The Russians - this is the unifying meaning: Russians, Ukrainians and other 190 nationalities and peoples of Russia! It's ridiculous to be so mistaken "analyst"!
    And, if so, the author writes that
    ...who are violently pitted against each other, depriving the meaning of life...
    - then it is necessary to recognize external aggression and purposeful activity in this, and not hint at a quarrel between these peoples themselves! It would be interesting to look at the United States if someone invested millions for 30 years to incite enmity between the Indians and the descendants of their colonialists ...
    Yes, and enough of the "old tales about the main thing" to support about the elite who have money, children and everything, everything, everything in the West ...
    And the MOST IMPORTANT thing to such an "analyst":
    Modern Russia is only 30 years old... Total! And the country was not created with "0" somewhere on the island by a group of like-minded investors. Russia is still going through a period of BREAKING ... For 30 years with the huge legacy of the USSR, when building a new economic system from "0" (after the planned one), when private property appears for the first time, if it is necessary to completely modernize industry in the country, with a huge social burden, with the struggle of local "elites" and "kings", if necessary, to preserve the peace and unity of 190 peoples and nationalities in the country, in the conditions of a vast territory (borders, roads, housing and communal services, transport, etc.), with 2 external aggressions and forced wars in Chechnya, with constant external pressure and restrictions, taking into account newborn "sanctions" since 2014 - to achieve SUCH RESULTS is already an excellent result !!! And this is without taking into account the modernization of the entire army and navy.
    Name at least one example - exactly the same start and conditions in the world, where any country not only achieved the most in just 30 years, but would even survive ???
    Why does the author, trying to call modern Russia "unsuccessful", "unsuccessful", and the leadership "untalented" do not cite real indicators in dynamics over these 30 years as evidence:
    external public debt, the country's GDP, life expectancy, industrial production index, % renewal in industry, import and export indicators by item, samples of world-class high-quality goods and other examples of ACHIEVEMENTS?

    PS Anyone who is trying to seriously reproach the country's leadership (namely, the combination of both houses of Parliament - the President - the Government - regional and local authorities - the people) of weakness / stupidity / venality is no longer stupid, but ridiculous ... against the backdrop of Russia's real indicators !
    It's good to peck already, suggest something better!??
    1. Mordvin 3
      Mordvin 3 8 February 2022 17: 50
      0
      Quote: Tiger
      It's good to peck already, suggest something better!??

      Who is letting us in? Usolsky was imprisoned, Platoshkin was placed under house arrest.
      1. Tiger
        Tiger 8 February 2022 18: 29
        -3
        Who is letting us in? Usolsky was imprisoned, Platoshkin was placed under house arrest.

        But is it necessary to break the law in order to offer something sensible for the country? Nechaev's "new people" entered the Duma honestly and openly... There are a lot of open areas where they will be happy to meet any real initiative for the benefit of the country!
        1. Mordvin 3
          Mordvin 3 8 February 2022 18: 33
          -3
          Quote: Tiger
          But is it necessary to break the law in order to offer something sensible for the country? "

          What? Yes, you can dig up shit for every dog.
        2. SVD68
          SVD68 8 February 2022 20: 53
          +2
          Quote: Tiger
          New people" Nechaev entered the Duma honestly and openly ...

          So these are class people close to the authorities. They can take money out of the Kremlin in boxes. Unlike Platoshkin.
    2. Alexander Salenko
      Alexander Salenko 9 February 2022 18: 29
      0
      In general, I agree. but I will call such a country - the USSR. And in much less time.
  34. Tiger
    Tiger 8 February 2022 19: 04
    -2
    Yes, you can dig up shit for every dog.

    To be afraid of wolves - do not go into the forest ..!
  35. Shuev
    Shuev 8 February 2022 20: 23
    -3
    no ideology and vision of the future

    "Communism by Year X" changed to "Imperial Project by Year X"
  36. Shuev
    Shuev 8 February 2022 20: 38
    -1
    As you know, war is waged not by nations, but by systems.

    bilderberg club, supranational corporations and "illegitimate children"

    (including the Napoleonic Wars)
  37. Shuev
    Shuev 8 February 2022 20: 51
    -3
    Germany and Versailles 1919
  38. exo
    exo 8 February 2022 22: 11
    +4
    Russia is completely unprepared for war. There is a complete absence of a mobile reserve, in the form of civil aviation aircraft and ships of the navy. Everything is either leased or under a false flag. Naturally, these are not the only factors. If we do not talk about a war of mutual destruction, we have little chance.
    1. Alexander Salenko
      Alexander Salenko 9 February 2022 18: 31
      +1
      In Russia, the railway network is developed, the wagon fleet and the locomotive fleet are being updated, I will not say that ships are not needed, but not to the same extent as wagons. And what is leased will be expropriated.
  39. Shuev
    Shuev 8 February 2022 23: 15
    -3
    "Shinto conspiracy" / Leonid Ivashov
  40. smaug78
    smaug78 9 February 2022 00: 24
    0
    And finally, let's take the late USSR. The economy and the armed forces of the country are in the world leaders, but the society turned out to be completely rotten.
    Author, how old are you?
  41. grigor727
    grigor727 9 February 2022 01: 33
    +5
    All military propaganda, all cries, lies and hatred, always come from people who will not go to this war.

    © George Orwell 85
  42. Comrade Kim
    Comrade Kim 9 February 2022 03: 15
    +1
    "In Russia, the ideology of the Russian world is under an unspoken ban."

    I will correct the words of the author - under a total ban.
    One gets the impression that all the rakes available, the authorities have laid out on their way, into their bright future.
    The diligent "cutting out" of the titular nation, like erasing history in Orwell's book "1984", led to the complete degradation of society.
    Metastases not only hit the circulatory
    they devoured the system of the state without a trace.
    People stopped believing that it could be worse. Remember what they did to Saddam, how they managed to topple him?
    After all, at first the Americans did not succeed. Podkuli close entourage, began to influence the country from top to bottom.
    And in our country, ghouls have been forcing the Russian people to "repent" for decades. Frightening with the "ghost" of the collapse of the SFRY, which cannot be compared with our situation.
    I wonder who the colonial government will rely on, in which case? Who will go or send his sons to protect the unimaginably rich, swollen with people's blood, inhabitants of Nikolina Gora, Rublyovka, Zhukovka?
    Maybe illegal migrants, so diligently guarded by the Khusnulins and Sobyanins, or pederasts from the first channel?
    And will there be a Victory, will there be a speech by the leader of the nation, will there be a toast: "For the Great Russian People"?
    1. Ol willy
      Ol willy 9 February 2022 11: 50
      -3
      Characteristically, Ovalny could not be imprisoned for ten years, and Russian nationalists are dealt with in a couple of months and closed for a long time - at best, if they didn’t “hang themselves” or “jump” out of the window
      1. Alex777
        Alex777 9 February 2022 18: 05
        +1
        Quote: Ol Willy
        Characteristically, Oval could not be imprisoned for ten years

        Time had to be won. When it was no longer needed, they closed it.
    2. Ol willy
      Ol willy 9 February 2022 11: 53
      -4
      The Russian people have been forced to repent since 1917, especially one bald syphilitic in his letters and writings.

      And then - 1941. The Red Army from ideological communists quickly burns out in boilers and the war is won mainly by Russian soldiers and officers, in uniform, with St. George ribbons, participating in operations named, among others, "Kutuzov", "Rumyantsev" and "Bagration"
      1. Alexander Salenko
        Alexander Salenko 9 February 2022 18: 34
        0
        It’s not true, the Red Army was not built on a party basis and it didn’t burn out quickly in boilers, if anything, then personnel divisions were also thrown back from Moscow and go over the names of the generals, almost all the participants in the Civil War are there, and Govorov still managed to fight for Kolchak. And at the front, 3 members of the CPSU (b) were knocked out, who are they for you, I want to ask?
    3. Mordvin 3
      Mordvin 3 9 February 2022 12: 34
      0
      Quote: Comrade Kim
      Maybe illegal migrants, so diligently guarded by the Khusnulins and Sobyanins,

      Migrants will first of all scatter to their countries. That's why they are migrants. And we will take the rap, dear rassiyane.
  43. Rus2012
    Rus2012 9 February 2022 09: 20
    0
    So, let's sum up.
    Is Russia ready for war with the West?
    No, not ready. We have a stupid and corrupt "elite", a weak economy dependent on the West, very little money and human resources.

    Sergei Rusov offers to surrender ... Who is behind?

    I'm against!
    1. Yurix
      Yurix 9 February 2022 09: 37
      +1
      That is what he proposes. I'm against.
  44. Yurix
    Yurix 9 February 2022 09: 36
    0
    Do not hang up the nose of the author. Russia has repeatedly fought with Europe, being not ready for war. And every time after the war, she remained the winner, and even with new territories. And today, as in the Second World War, they will no longer fight. And the Russian media are doing the right thing by raising the morale of the population. Russia itself is not going to attack. But he won't give up either.
    1. Mordvin 3
      Mordvin 3 9 February 2022 12: 39
      0
      Quote from Yurix
      And every time after the war, she remained the winner, and even with new territories.

      Yeah, but remember Russian-Japanese. We bought kukish with butter there.
      1. Alexander Salenko
        Alexander Salenko 9 February 2022 18: 35
        0
        And there the question of who is to blame for the war is very debatable.
        1. Mordvin 3
          Mordvin 3 9 February 2022 18: 40
          0
          Quote: Valentina Salenko
          And there the question of who is to blame for the war is very debatable.

          What difference does it make who started the war? We also blew the Crimean War.
          1. Alexander Salenko
            Alexander Salenko 9 February 2022 18: 41
            0
            Well, we started it, and the question was about when we were attacked. I understand that it’s very pathetic, but in the REV we lost half of Sakhalin from our territory, and we didn’t lose anything at all in the Crimean.
      2. Yurix
        Yurix 22 February 2022 10: 56
        0
        Well, you can remember the raids of the Pechenegs. For that, according to the result of the Second World War and the Second World War, the Kuril Islands. joined.
  45. Ol willy
    Ol willy 9 February 2022 11: 08
    0
    There is not and never has been any collective "West".

    Today, the main instigator of various kinds of unpleasant events in the world is the USA. After 1945, the USA decisively increased its influence over Western Europe, using it to oppose the USSR. Approximately the same thing is happening now, but the position of the USA in Europe has been weakening for more than a year.

    The main goal of the US foreign policy towards Russia now is to prevent a warming of relations between Russia and the countries of Western Europe by weakening both the political and economic positions of Russia - and to prevent the strengthening of the independence of Europe itself. It is quite clearly seen how many spokes were put in the wheels of any attempts to establish closer relations between Russia and Germany after 1991.

    This policy, in some way, played against American interests, as it pushed Russia towards rapprochement with China.
    1. Mordvin 3
      Mordvin 3 9 February 2022 12: 43
      -1
      Quote: Ol Willy
      pushed Russia towards rapprochement with China.

      But it is better to stay away from this ally. The Chinese consider everyone else to be second-class people. And it's in their blood.
      1. Ol willy
        Ol willy 10 February 2022 08: 56
        -2
        We weren't given much of a choice.
  46. Sailor
    Sailor 9 February 2022 12: 06
    -1
    I completely agree with the author, everything is truthfully and relevantly arranged on the "shelves" !!!
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    1. samosad
      samosad 9 February 2022 16: 24
      +1
      Are you responsible for all Ukrainians and Belarusians?
  48. samosad
    samosad 9 February 2022 16: 22
    -2
    Strange comparison - Russia and the West. Then you need to compare Russia with the United States, or the West with the East ... or whatever you call all the countries that are ready to chime in with Russia against the West. And who will have the upper hand then?
  49. Alexander Salenko
    Alexander Salenko 9 February 2022 18: 52
    0
    Quote: Overlock
    Quote: Valentina Salenko
    In fact, Russia can offer the main thing - its own market.

    In what directions?
    Quote: Valentina Salenko
    yes, the same Kherson farmers for the most part were imprisoned for the same Crimea, and now imagine giving them a way to Transcaucasia.

    If earlier shuttles from Crimea went to Turkey or Odessa, and after 2014 they went to Cherkizon or Sadovod, then having received products of incomparably worse quality, they again went to Odessa. If you want to live, you will turn

    According to the first, for example, in the aircraft industry, such cooperation was, for example, on the An-70 military transport aircraft, which was delivered through Russia and to China.
    And about the shuttles in 2014, you frankly made me laugh, what kind of Odessa, with customs control, what kind of shuttles? Excuse me, why write, if not in the subject from the word at all? I forgot that word. So, about the border, I know a warehouse manager, and so at one time goods were transported to them through Belgorod, making a detour from the center of Ukraine, in my opinion, Zaporozhye.
  50. Leprikon5656
    Leprikon5656 9 February 2022 19: 12
    0
    The author taught World History from Prokopenko's programs. To the fool!