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Spices and Wars

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Detail of a stained glass window in the Cathedral of Chartres ("window of St. Nicholas"), France, depicting a spice seller, XNUMXth century. Many medieval guilds contributed to the production of stained glass windows of this cathedral and for this they were honored to be depicted on its magnificent stained glass windows.


"...nard and saffron, calamus and cinnamon with all sorts of fragrant trees, myrrh and scarlet with all sorts of the best flavors."
Song of Solomon 4:14
...
"Put wood, make a fire, boil meat, add seasoning."
Ezekiel 24: 10

Culture and civilization. Today we have a topic that is not entirely military, although it is most directly related to the war. Today we will talk about spicy plants that have played in stories Humanity well, just a huge role. And, of course, they even became the cause of many armed conflicts, which most seriously influenced the course of history.


In the old fashioned way, spices are sold at a medieval festival in the city of Bayeux. Tapestry tapestry, but you also need to amuse your mother flesh. Photo of Bayeux City Hall

And it was so that already in primitive society people used various fragrant plants both as food and in various rituals to scare away, for example, evil spirits. In the ancient world, in particular in Egypt, onions and garlic were included in the diet of almost all segments of the population, and incense herbs were used for burial - their bunches were placed in the bodies of mummies.

Well, in the Middle Ages, spicy plants of the temperate zone grew in vegetable gardens and were widely used for food. Although, of course, they came to the diet of medieval Europeans still from the past.

Here, for example, parsley. In ancient Greece, it was believed that parsley originated from the blood of Archemoros and graves were decorated with wreaths of parsley.

But wreaths of celery, a close relative of parsley, were decorated with the winners of the Isthmian Games. And in ancient Egypt, parsley wreaths were woven as a sign of grief. Garlic was the constant food of the builders of the pyramids, but in ancient Rome they were fed to legionnaires, as it was believed that its sharpness gives the soldiers strength and courage.

As early as 1000 BC, coriander was grown in the eastern regions of the Mediterranean. Moreover, in Egypt it was used both as a medicine and as a spice. The ancient Greeks dedicated thyme to the goddess Aphrodite and burned it on a sacrificial fire. By the way, the pagan Slavs did the same, who burned thyme so that its fragrant smoke would bring joy to their gods. Well, in the Middle Ages, thyme was used very widely in cooking. It was added to stir-fries, sauces, stuffed with fish before frying.

Melissa, with its lemon scent, was also widely distributed in southern Europe, where it was valued as a medicine. Ibn Sina also spoke of her as a remedy that drives away melancholy. So if this same melancholy suddenly attacked you, then in order to fight it, chew lemon balm. In the Byzantine encyclopedia of agriculture of the XNUMXth century, Geoponics, it was written that lemon balm protects a person from bee stings, which our today's beekeepers should also know about.

Spices and Wars
And these are garden plants known since the Middle Ages. Photo of Bayeux City Hall

Peppermint is named for the pungent taste of its leaves. Its oil contains a lot of menthol - hence all its pungency. The Romans liked mint very much. They believed that its aroma lifts people's spirits, especially during a pleasant conversation with wine and light snacks. Therefore, by the arrival of guests, it was their custom to rub the tables with freshly picked mint, and sprinkle the walls with a tincture of its leaves. Pliny the Elder even wore a wreath of mint leaves on his head, as it was believed that the scent of mint stimulated the brain. He recommended the same to his students.

In the Middle Ages, mint was used both as a medicine and in cooking.

Anise is another plant with a pleasant smell, known since ancient times. Moreover, its seeds were found even in the piled buildings of the Stone Age. It was mentioned by both the Egyptians and the Greek physician Hippocrates, and it was already used very widely. And above all for baking bread.

Onion is a truly irreplaceable product in all respects. Known for a very long time, 4000 years BC. e. The Egyptians fed onions to the builders of the pyramids. Bunches of onions are even found in the sarcophagi of the pharaohs. Among the Romans, onions were included in the diet of legionnaires along with garlic. Like, strengthens courage and strength.


You do not believe that spices have caused many wars and conflicts? Then take a look at this map. When the Silk Road (red) and spice trade routes (blue) were blocked by the Seljuk Empire in 1090, it sparked the Crusades; when the Ottoman Empire did the same thing after 1453, it marked the beginning of the Age of Discovery and European colonialism!

In the Middle Ages, onions, in addition to food, were used as an amulet. Richard the Lionheart wore an onion around his neck, and the Saracens took a ransom with a bow for every franc - eight onions per head! At night, wandering around the dark corners and lanes of medieval cities, or making your way through a dark forest, you should definitely have an onion on a string around your neck and from time to time notify the “dark forces” with the words: “Beware, I eat onions!”, And only then say: "The power of the cross is with us!"

Bay leaf also came to us in a pan from the shores of the Mediterranean Sea. Who has not heard about the laurel wreath, which crowned the winners in games and competitions in honor of the god Apollo, and there were a lot of them: Daphnephoria, Targelia, Delia, Pythian and Carnean games. Not surprisingly, wreaths were required in such large numbers. Weaved them constantly and ... of course, the hands from weaving them smelled of laurel for a long time. Well, then they guessed to add laurel leaves to food ...

However, all this grew among the Europeans, one might say, at hand. But people always want more. So the people of the Ancient World and the Middle Ages were also attracted by spices that they did not grow in their garden. First of all, it was saffron, which also served as a dye. It was known in Assyria and Egypt, and in Syria and Palestine it has been cultivated since the time of the legendary King Solomon. In the East, saffron was valued very dearly. Fragrant water was prepared from it, which was sprayed on clothes and even rooms. They also made a fragrant ointment for skin diseases. In ancient Egypt, saffron was also used as a dye, which was used to dye fabrics in pale brick and yellow in various shades. This is where it was grown. Moreover, landing is carried out in November, and harvested in March. In Persia and China, only royal clothes were dyed with saffron, and in China (as always), under pain of death, it was forbidden to wear fabrics dyed with saffron to anyone except the emperor.

The Roman emperor Heliogabal, who became a model of licentiousness and vice in the history of Rome, took baths with saffron, and Nero, when returning to Rome from Greece, rode along the road, which was poured with saffron water in front of him, so that its aroma clogged all other smells unworthy of his delicate smell. By the way, plain boiled rice seasoned with saffron is much tastier than rice ... without saffron!

Saffron was very expensive, 15 times more expensive than black pepper, which was also not cheap. Not without reason, after all, the rich man in the Middle Ages was called "a bag of pepper." But it would be more correct to call it "a bag of saffron." Indeed, to obtain just one kilogram of saffron powder, about 15 thousand of its flowers were needed, and all of them, of course, were collected and processed by hand, especially since saffron was not obtained from the flowers themselves - it is pollen covering their stigmas! The flowers themselves are light purple! Interestingly, in Scotland, saffron was also in use, with which the traditional linen combat shirts of the lane were dyed bright yellow, and women wore them in the same way, but men went into battle only in them. But since it was very expensive, only a few could afford such a shirt. We found a way out, and a very simple one. They began to paint them yellow ... with horse urine! The Gaelic historian Martin Martin, who was originally from the Scottish Isle of Skye, later wrote that the Scots stopped wearing saffron clothes only towards the end of the XNUMXth century.

In Europe, saffron began to be cultivated very early, already in the seventh century, first in Spain, where it came after the conquest by the Arabs, and then in France and even in England. And all because it turned out that it is also a good remedy for headaches, heart palpitations, fainting, dropsy, and even stomach ulcers!


The spice trade has always brought fabulous profits! Photo of Bayeux City Hall

Cinnamon in Greek means "perfect spice". Cinnamon is the biennial bark of the cinnamon tree, which can be seen either in the form of hollow brown tubes or as a powder. You can sprinkle it on almost any food that has a sweetish taste. However, they also put it in marinades, pickles, as well as sauces for fish and meat. The simplest recipe is cinnamon toast. Slices of rolls are moistened with water, sprinkled with sugar and fried in oil, and before serving they are also sprinkled with ground cinnamon. In addition, cinnamon is also used as a stimulant, carminative and astringent.


One of the ships of Borobudur, VIII century. These were large merchant ships with slanting sails, typical of Southeast Asia. Photo by Mikael J. Lowe

Also spice are inflorescences of flowers of a clove tree. Dried cloves were used in India, China, Indonesia long before our era. Moreover, in China, during an audience with the emperor, dignitaries were charged with the duty of chewing carnation inflorescences so as not to defile the sense of smell of their master with their fetid breath. By the way, have you tried chewing cloves? Try it! This is a wonderful natural antiseptic, which helps well with colds and sore throats, but whether it helps with covid - this needs to be clarified. In any case, it is more useful to chew it than not to chew it. Casanova also used cloves, going to meetings with his fans, because then people's teeth deteriorated very early, with all the ensuing consequences. By the way, it also helps with toothache!


It was only in modern times that the delivery of spices by sea from India became a more or less regular occurrence. Depiction of Calicut, India, from Georg Braun and Frans Hogenberg's atlas Civitates orbis terrarum, 1572

In ancient Greece and Rome, cloves were brought from India by land. But after the fall of Rome, Europe forgot about cloves and black pepper for many centuries, until the beginning of the Crusades. What only then did not get from the East to Europe! "Plums from Damascus" (prunes), "grapes from Damascus" (raisins), as well as "Saracenic millet" (rice) and, of course, spices - nutmeg, black pepper, ginger, cloves. Caravan after caravan reached the sea coast to deliver the precious goods. The taxes of the city were paid with the same pepper instead of hard cash, and such payment was accepted with joy!

The reason for such a high popularity of spices is very simple. In addition to improving the taste of dishes, they helped keep food fresh - after all, there were no refrigerators then, or they were, but of a very primitive quality, and not at all, and not everywhere. And, of course, the aroma of spices beat off the smell of stale meat, and meat (“flesh dishes”) was the main nutritious product on the table of the nobility, and the peasants also loved it, although their meat was not quite the same as that of their seniors.

The aroma of spicy food also directly indicated prosperity, so the use of spices was also a way ... to “show” oneself. However, it happened that the seductive aroma coming from his kitchen could be deadly for a person. But next time we will tell you about this page of the history of cooking of our distant ancestors!

To be continued ...
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  1. viktortarianik
    viktortarianik 21 February 2022 18: 18
    +8
    How much the East has given us. Thanks.
  2. Alien From
    Alien From 21 February 2022 18: 32
    +7
    Olegovych! Thank you from the bottom of my heart, thanks for the work and for the interesting information! In this crazy world, you need a bit of positive! hi
    1. kalibr
      21 February 2022 18: 45
      +10
      Glad you liked it! For example, I am also not interested in politics, which many people love to read and discuss so much. Discuss, don't discuss, your opinion won't change anything!
      1. Catfish
        Catfish 21 February 2022 19: 34
        +9
        Vyacheslav, good evening and thank you!
        I read the article with unexpected interest and the names of seasonings familiar from childhood acquired a new "taste". smile
        It was interesting to learn about the onion, as a talisman against evil spirits, I always believed that it was garlic.



        At night, wandering around the dark corners and lanes of medieval cities, or making your way through a dark forest, you should definitely have an onion on a string around your neck and from time to time notify the “dark forces” with the words: “Beware, I eat onions!”, And only then say: "The power of the cross is with us!"


        Poor evil spirits, why scare such charms! laughing

      2. Liam
        Liam 21 February 2022 20: 59
        -3
        Saracen millet (rice)


        Saracen millet is not rice. Buckwheat
        1. Fat
          Fat 21 February 2022 22: 40
          +7
          hi Victor. You're not right.
          The connection "buckwheat-Greek" is obvious and striking. The way this word appeared in Russian is also clear. Contacts of Byzantium with the Russians, which became more active in the 988th century, ended with the adoption of Orthodoxy in Kievan Rus in XNUMX. It was during this period that Orthodox monasteries arose here, the monks of which were Byzantines and Greeks. There is a version that they brought from their homeland to Russia the cereals that were traditionally sown and cooked in Asia Minor. Which we have simply by the origin of the monks and was called "buckwheat". However, buckwheat also came to us from Siberia, the Volga region, where it grew wild. It is no coincidence that the old village name of buckwheat is still preserved - "Tatar"..
          1. Liam
            Liam 21 February 2022 22: 53
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            Quote: Thick
            You are not right





            When something looks like buckwheat, has the shape and color of buckwheat, the taste of buckwheat is most likely Buckwheat
            1. Fat
              Fat 21 February 2022 23: 48
              +8
              And here we are in for a semantic surprise. The fact is that in French, buckwheat is denoted by the word "sarrasin". Doesn't it remind you of anything? That's right - the mentioned Saracen millet. The words clearly have the same root and, apparently, some common origin. Let's try to apply normal human logic and think: for what reasons could buckwheat in French become "Saracenic"? And why was Asian rice also called "Saracenic millet" in Russia? What do these two products have in common? And the common thing, in fact, is in the degree of their remoteness from the country in which they received these names.
              In Russia, buckwheat is the most common cereal growing everywhere. Therefore, her name is simple and consonant with the norms of the Russian language. Another thing is Fig. It has long been imported from afar - from Central Asia, Turkestan (or, as they said then, Bukharia), partly - from the Middle East, from Iran, Turkey. In general - from Muslims, or Saracens. V. Pokhlebkin points to the penetration of rice into Russia only in the XNUMXth century through Hungary, but this product was known to us much earlier. It is impossible to imagine Asian, Volga contacts of Russian merchants without acquaintance with rice.
              And buckwheat penetrates into Western Europe much later. The first mention of it in France is only in the 300th century, as "black Saracen wheat", which began to be sown in Brittany in western France (and today Breton buckwheat pancakes are one of the favorite national dishes, a local specialty). But why - "Saracenic"? It is clear that buckwheat came from the east, but it happened XNUMX years later than the Crusades in Palestine, some things have already been forgotten... yes
              from "Uninvented history of Russian products from Kievan Rus to the USSR" Syutkina Olga Anatolyevna
              1. Liam
                Liam 22 February 2022 00: 24
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                Quote: Thick
                we are in for a semantic surprise.

                ))))

                https://p-syutkin.livejournal.com/26238.html

                In vain you are so blindly copying the blogger ... he, sorry, wrote nonsense garbage
                1. Fat
                  Fat 22 February 2022 08: 57
                  +5
                  A good blogger is not a sin to quote. Writers and cooks sometimes have blogs. Pavel Syutkin is the husband and co-author of Olga Anatolyevna. Books by O.A. Syutkina in "physical form" published AST. He writes well. Recommend and interesting and simply delicious.
                  "Here is an excerpt from a manuscript of the beginning of the XNUMXth century from the collection of the Kirillo-Belozersky Monastery:" Sorochinsky millet, barley and buckwheat groats, and oatmeal, peas.
                  In the "Painting of the Tsar's Meals" (1610-1613) we read: "On a dish of chicken saffron soup, and smoking in it, 4 spools of saffron, a spool of cinnamon, half a hryvnia of Sorochinsky millet ...". As an alternative: "On a dish of table pies, and in them a spatula of crushed flour, chumich Russian millet ..."
                  1. Liam
                    Liam 22 February 2022 09: 10
                    -3
                    Well, yes ... people comprehend the history of their own logic.

                    I wonder with what logic he attributed rare overseas rice to this list)

                    Or, a century later, the famous Russian educator Nikolai Novikov writes: “Even coarse foods include ... all kinds of garden and field fruits, such as: peas, beans, lentils, Saracen millet”
                    1. Fat
                      Fat 22 February 2022 11: 31
                      +5
                      “Rough and therefore harmful foods for children are: all harsh flour foods, such as: soups, cereals, pies (excluding those made from dough that crumbles in the mouth, without any seasonings or with few and weak seasonings. These are the essence: biscuit, coffee bread and almond cakes.) Other coarse foods include: large and fatty fish, eggs, cheese and butter, and especially when the latter is not quite fresh, all kinds of sweets; all garden and field fruits, such as: peas, beans, lentils, Saracen millet, some cereals, earthen apples, turnips, parsnips, etc.; likewise all kinds of herbs: cabbage, also cauliflower, spinach, lettuce, etc.

                      Foods that are hot and therefore harmful to children are: all dishes seasoned with spicy potions, no matter what kind these may be; meat dishes, and especially game; all meat stews, and especially very nutritious ones.

                      In addition to all the foods mentioned, all uncooked vegetables, sweets, raw sugar, and especially colored sugar products, almonds, nuts, raisins and other such delicacies are still harmful to children.

                      Quite ordinary logic, well, not at all from the "new chronology" wink
                      1. Liam
                        Liam 22 February 2022 13: 38
                        -6
                        All this is archi-informative, of course ... it’s a pity that none of this indicates that Saracen millet is rice
      3. The leader of the Redskins
        The leader of the Redskins 21 February 2022 21: 23
        0
        Thank you, Vyacheslav Olegovich. At least you distract from all the negativity that is poured into your ears from all the irons.
  3. ee2100
    ee2100 21 February 2022 18: 43
    +8
    And what about dill - a purely Russian seasoning, the culinary historian thinks. laughing
    1. kalibr
      21 February 2022 19: 07
      +6
      Quote: ee2100
      And what about dill - a purely Russian seasoning, the culinary historian thinks.

      If you know - write. I didn't write, so I didn't know.
      1. ee2100
        ee2100 21 February 2022 19: 13
        +10
        The fact is that the West considers dill a specific Russian spice. Maybe not too subtle!? laughing
        I think that almost all visitors to this site use dill and will! drinks
        1. kalibr
          21 February 2022 19: 38
          +5
          Didn't read about it...
          1. ee2100
            ee2100 21 February 2022 19: 55
            +3
            Ask!
            1. kalibr
              21 February 2022 20: 01
              +3
              Quote: ee2100
              Ask!

              Meaning? I have already written the article. You wrote what you knew. Excess garbage in the "attic" hardly makes sense to drag.
              1. ee2100
                ee2100 21 February 2022 20: 03
                +2
                I would like to know more about garbage and the attic laughing
                1. Mordvin 3
                  Mordvin 3 21 February 2022 20: 16
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                  Quote: ee2100
                  I would like to know more about garbage and the attic

                  After writing the article, Shpakovsky shoves this topic deep into the attic and forgets about it. The day after tomorrow, he will not be able to answer how onions differ from garlic.
                  1. kalibr
                    21 February 2022 20: 32
                    +5
                    Quote: Mordvin 3
                    The day after tomorrow, he will not be able to answer how onions differ from garlic.

                    Here, you, Vladimir, are absolutely right. How else would I have written so many of them if I could remember everything.
                2. kalibr
                  21 February 2022 20: 33
                  +2
                  Quote: ee2100
                  I would like to know more about garbage and the attic

                  Read what Sherlock Holmes said about this to Dr. Watson. I don't want to repeat myself.
                  1. ee2100
                    ee2100 21 February 2022 20: 39
                    -1
                    It's megalomaniac syndrome! Urgent and fool!
                    1. kalibr
                      21 February 2022 20: 53
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                      Quote: ee2100
                      It's megalomaniac syndrome! Urgent and fool!

                      You wanted to know, you were told where to get it. The original is more interesting than it sounds in my retelling.
        2. Phil77
          Phil77 21 February 2022 19: 52
          +6
          I read that they / foreigners / consider the taste of dill too bright. Strange, right? Even the Chinese are not happy with it. recourse
          1. Korsar4
            Korsar4 21 February 2022 21: 22
            +6
            The Chinese do not really eat dairy products. I caught myself thinking that there was not enough dairy products there, although there was very little.
            1. Aviator_
              Aviator_ 21 February 2022 21: 43
              +6
              The Chinese do not really eat dairy products.
              The Japanese too. Cheese can only be found at the airport. But seafood up to ... and more. And almost everything is fresh, not smoked and not salty.
              1. Korsar4
                Korsar4 21 February 2022 21: 50
                +4
                And we, probably, any piece of the mouth rejoices. Has grown, or got - and it is glorious.
                1. Aviator_
                  Aviator_ 21 February 2022 21: 52
                  +6
                  I was so offended - there were so many shells, fish and other living creatures, and everything was almost alive, but there was nowhere to cook.
        3. Korsar4
          Korsar4 21 February 2022 21: 21
          +8
          There is a version that dill smells too pungent for foreigners. For us - no sharper than other seasonings. And to cucumbers - in salting. And sprinkle boiled potatoes - wonderful. Yes, and unpretentious. It grows itself.
  4. depressant
    depressant 21 February 2022 18: 44
    +9
    Amazing article!
    Thank you, Vyacheslav Olegovich! )))
    I could not even think that the onion is a spice, well, or seasoning. In my mind, it's just a vegetable. But taste gives any soup wassat )))
    1. kalibr
      21 February 2022 19: 09
      +8
      For a long time I wanted to do something pleasant for our ladies at VO, and now the "stars aligned". But the second article will be even more interesting...
      1. depressant
        depressant 21 February 2022 19: 32
        +7
        Vyacheslav Olegovich, you do not take into account that many men love to cook)))
        1. kalibr
          21 February 2022 19: 53
          +4
          Quote: depressant
          You do not consider that many men love to cook

          Many, but not all. Even at school ... Girls have service labor (!), And the boys have a carpentry and locksmith workshop. Such are even in our days (!!!) remnants of former eras.
          1. depressant
            depressant 21 February 2022 20: 09
            +7
            I went through school practice in kindergarten. There were even textbooks, the girls took something like an exam. She didn't know how to cook at all. Life forced - learned! I can bake excellent khachapuri, make satsibeli for it, though now only from tomato paste. But adjika, garlic and cilantro are always on sale. Look for a good suluguni in the store - stare. But when I come across at least something similar, I take a small circle, it is enough for 4 khachapuri. You can stretch the pleasure for a month.
            1. kalibr
              21 February 2022 20: 30
              +4
              Do you bake pies from unleavened dough with nettles? Spring is coming, nettles will be young ...
              1. depressant
                depressant 21 February 2022 21: 55
                +4
                Nope. I bake pies sometimes. With apples. Mother once cooked nettle soup a couple of times. The taste didn't suit me. I understand, there are vitamins and all that. Maybe more will have to. Her life is so interesting.
                1. kalibr
                  22 February 2022 07: 41
                  +3
                  Quote: depressant
                  The taste didn't suit me.

                  Well... I do it simply. I boil the chopped potatoes, fry the onions, carrots (vegetable oil), add curry (a little), cut the nettles dipped in boiling water, and when the potatoes are ready, start the nettles. Boil a little - chopped eggs. Salt to taste, of course. 15 minutes. and a very healthy soup is ready.
              2. Grim Reaper
                Grim Reaper 24 February 2022 00: 02
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                Quote: kalibr
                Do you bake pies from unleavened dough with nettles? Spring is coming, nettles will be young ...

                With nettle and egg. I am one of those men who loves and knows how to cook. :)
                1. kalibr
                  24 February 2022 17: 29
                  0
                  Quote: Grim Reaper
                  I am one of those men who loves and knows how to cook. :)

                  My fraternal greetings and approval to you. No, we have pure nettles. With egg - carrots and green onions. But yeast dough!
            2. Aviator_
              Aviator_ 21 February 2022 21: 50
              +5
              Good evening, Lyudmila Yakovlevna! I developed a passion for culinary delights during my college years in high school when I had more time. Gradually I acquired the necessary utensils, and since then I have been arranging holidays, mainly pilaf (my father taught me), borscht, and little things. Once I used saffron for pilaf, but I was not inspired, I stopped. I prefer the Namangan version, and I have a cauldron from there - my relatives left in Orenburg when they fled from Uzbekistan in 1991.
              1. depressant
                depressant 21 February 2022 22: 03
                +4
                Here comes the first one! I know that many men know how to cook)))
                Hello Sergey! )))
                Oh, why did you mention pilaf - I love it so much! But sprinkle with saffron? Yes, they do it in Central Asia. But I am not. I am purely in Russian - onion, meat, rice, butter, well, and some pepper. And it's all.
                And in general ... The topic is beginning to acquire a dangerous connotation - the appetite has broken out out of order and out of time)))
                1. Aviator_
                  Aviator_ 21 February 2022 22: 06
                  +5
                  Lyudmila, is it possible to have butter there? And not any pepper, but only kalampur, hot red. Well, I won't anymore. Appetite, really, not in time. I understand that you specialize in Abkhazian dishes, since you lived there for a long time. So?
                  1. depressant
                    depressant 21 February 2022 22: 16
                    +5
                    Yes, yes)))
                    But the fact is that I have repeatedly had the pleasure of reading recipes for cooking pilaf, which indicate the frying of onions and meat in butter. True, one must think, on the present ...
                    I'll go smoke and chew some candy, or something wassat )))
                    1. Aviator_
                      Aviator_ 21 February 2022 22: 26
                      +5
                      Clear. There are many options, I add raisins and garlic. Good night, tomorrow I have two boobies (tailers) who will do laboratory work in the morning, and I want to be in time for a solemn meeting in the department - our women will congratulate us. I'll drive out the boobies in an hour, they have nothing to distract me from the buffet!
  5. depressant
    depressant 21 February 2022 19: 03
    +5
    But in fact, the history of onions, which grows everywhere, has 4 thousand years. Historians debate where it was first used for culinary purposes. Some say, they say, in Central Asia, others - in Southeast. In any of these cases, the bow first came to China, then 2 thousand years before the new era - to Egypt, and only from there - to Europe.
    I like to eat onions just like that, with anything wassat )))
    1. 3x3zsave
      3x3zsave 21 February 2022 19: 06
      +10
      I like to eat onions just like that, with anything
      I prefer marinated. Hello, Lyudmila Yakovlevna!
      1. Phil77
        Phil77 21 February 2022 19: 24
        +9
        Fried. Raw. But from boiled ... for some reason it turns back. Frrr! crying
        Good evening everyone!
        1. ee2100
          ee2100 21 February 2022 19: 29
          +6
          Steak!? With blood"?
          1. Phil77
            Phil77 21 February 2022 19: 30
            +6
            No, Alexander, bow! good
            1. ee2100
              ee2100 21 February 2022 19: 51
              +6
              Sergey, where did you go? Glad to see you!
              And what about the pickled cucumbers? There, without dill, no matter how!
              1. Phil77
                Phil77 21 February 2022 19: 55
                +4
                I didn’t disappear at all. Although? It was. But I’m already here. Lightly salted cucumbers?
          2. 3x3zsave
            3x3zsave 21 February 2022 19: 47
            +6
            Steak!? With blood"?
            Yes!!!!!!!
            1. ee2100
              ee2100 21 February 2022 19: 52
              +4
              Hey! We can arrange! By the way, the peace trade has normal meat
              1. Phil77
                Phil77 21 February 2022 19: 57
                +4
                I don’t buy products from Mirotorg for reasons of principle. I have it “under sanctions *! bully
                1. ee2100
                  ee2100 21 February 2022 19: 59
                  +4
                  Understand! But the product is good, though not always.
                2. 3x3zsave
                  3x3zsave 21 February 2022 20: 28
                  +4
                  Does Miratorg not report meat to sweets? laughing
                  1. ee2100
                    ee2100 21 February 2022 20: 35
                    +4
                    Tried - no!
              2. 3x3zsave
                3x3zsave 21 February 2022 20: 09
                +4
                May 9? On the spill in front of the Narva hydroelectric power station? From Ivangorod?
                1. ee2100
                  ee2100 21 February 2022 20: 35
                  +4
                  Quite! A good idea!
                  1. 3x3zsave
                    3x3zsave 21 February 2022 20: 43
                    +4
                    And "Victory Day" at full power of the speakers!
        2. Catfish
          Catfish 21 February 2022 19: 45
          +8
          As for boiled, I agree - Brrr. But fried, but with potatoes goes with a bang! good
          1. ee2100
            ee2100 21 February 2022 19: 54
            +8
            Kostya! Potatoes are carbs! You have to limit yourself!
            Meat with a small piece of bread and good wine!
            1. Catfish
              Catfish 21 February 2022 19: 57
              +8
              Sasha hi , I already limited myself to "good wine", but what should remain for pleasure.
              1. Alien From
                Alien From 21 February 2022 20: 29
                +6
                After becoming a gardener, all the greens are on the table! (frozen in winter but own)! Cilantro foreva)))))))
                1. Catfish
                  Catfish 21 February 2022 20: 31
                  +6
                  Quite right, any work and any time return and please at any time of the year. smile
                  1. Alien From
                    Alien From 21 February 2022 20: 33
                    +6
                    Exactly! Yesterday I opened the mushrooms, today pickled cucumbers .....))) I gave a lot to my friends, everyone is happy! Why not, if there is a possibility)
                    1. Catfish
                      Catfish 21 February 2022 20: 38
                      +6
                      That's right, they take them from us to Moscow by banks. laughing
                      1. Alien From
                        Alien From 21 February 2022 20: 46
                        +8
                        I distributed more than 120 cans last season)))) then the empty ones really can’t be collected ..... and figs with them! All health and good news hi drinks
            2. Phil77
              Phil77 22 February 2022 08: 20
              +3
              "piece of bread"
              Salo! With streaks, with garlic smell and...?
              Yes you can without it! laughing
              Good morning!
              1. depressant
                depressant 22 February 2022 08: 44
                +3
                Sergey Vladimirovich, good morning to you and a successful working day! I, too, am a fat eater. The combination of bacon with garlic is a culinary symphony... By the way, I have had the pleasure of meeting the opinion that Ukrainians, although they have entered the proverb, are not the biggest lovers of lard in Europe. And I don’t know how it is in different Asias.
                1. Phil77
                  Phil77 22 February 2022 08: 47
                  +3
                  Good morning Lyudmila Yakovlevna!
                  Probably nothing more than a stable stamp.
                  1. depressant
                    depressant 22 February 2022 09: 28
                    +2
                    Probably! )))
                    Taking into account the fact that even the Romans prepared delicacy bacon, moreover, very skillfully in marble baths. Until one o'clock in the morning I read politics on all sites.
      2. depressant
        depressant 21 February 2022 19: 28
        +8
        Good evening, Anton!
        And I have a recipe for how to cook delicious onions very quickly. Cut into rings, sprinkle with salt, pour in vinegar and pour boiling water over everything. After 10 minutes, well, or half an hour, the onion is ready. I don’t know if any of its beneficial properties are lost in this case, but the bitterness disappears completely, and the taste turns out - a miracle! )))
        1. 3x3zsave
          3x3zsave 21 February 2022 19: 52
          +4
          Cut into rings, sprinkle with salt, pour in vinegar and pour boiling water over everything.
          Antithesis.
          Do not pour, but pour over. And sprinkle this obdation on rings of chopped squid carcasses ....
          1. depressant
            depressant 21 February 2022 19: 57
            +3
            sprinkle chopped squid carcasses on rings ....

            Squid carcasses, I hope, boiled?
            1. 3x3zsave
              3x3zsave 21 February 2022 20: 15
              +4
              Squid cannot be cooked! If you don't want to chew like car rubber. Carcasses of cephalopods are searched in boiling water for 5-10 seconds.
      3. Catfish
        Catfish 21 February 2022 19: 37
        +7
        Green onions with sour cream, it's just yummy! good

        Hello Anton and hello everyone! hi
        1. Phil77
          Phil77 21 February 2022 19: 39
          +5
          Garlic! Tasty and healthy, but ... laughing

          1. kalibr
            21 February 2022 19: 54
            +5
            Next time it will be about Spanish garlic sauce ...
          2. depressant
            depressant 21 February 2022 20: 25
            +5
            "Eat three heads of garlic a day..."
            Severe advice, but judging by the picture, it still affects people. The carrier of garlic in the stomach survived - that's what's strange! )))
            1. Korsar4
              Korsar4 21 February 2022 21: 06
              +5
              You speak beautifully. The garlic was waiting.
            2. Phil77
              Phil77 22 February 2022 08: 22
              +3
              I agree with you my friend!
              For those around it will really be ... CHALLENGE. laughing
              Good morning Lyudmila Yakovlevna! hi
        2. Hunter 2
          Hunter 2 21 February 2022 19: 53
          +9
          And My fiery Hello Everyone! hi Ukraine, Ukraine... all around. At least you can get distracted, the article is cool, about food at Shpakovsky's - it's always interesting!
          The topic of spices is very extensive, unfortunately a lot of things are practically not used now. For example, our Northern Berries (lingonberries, cranberries, cloudberries, etc.) acid contained in them - Perfectly preserves meat (kills bacteria giving a very pleasant taste). Of course, there are separate recipes, but they are not widely used.
        3. kalibr
          21 February 2022 19: 58
          +5
          Konstantin! Want more easy and delicious recipes? Mash the same green onions with a crush so that the juice flows, adding a little salt. Mix with cottage cheese and add soy sauce instead of salt. Mix everything well. Instead of onions, you can add arugula, finely chopped olives and lemon juice.
          1. Catfish
            Catfish 21 February 2022 20: 01
            +5
            Thanks for the advice, Vyacheslav, we'll try. Didn't you make cottage cheese with dill? It's always on our table in the summer. smile
            1. kalibr
              21 February 2022 20: 10
              +5
              Quote: Sea Cat
              Didn't you make cottage cheese with dill? It's always on our table in the summer.

              With dill like this: the same green onions + dill in equal proportions are ground with salt in a ceramic container, then pour chopped cucumbers into strips and pour chilled kefir. Move and eat in the heat instead of the first! Well, in soup and cabbage soup, of course, both in the summer and now ... We have it and ice cream, and salty, and fresh.
        4. depressant
          depressant 21 February 2022 19: 58
          +5
          Hello Kostya! )))
          Look, what a gourmet Anton we have - give him squid! Maybe more lobster? )))
          1. Catfish
            Catfish 21 February 2022 20: 07
            +9
            What kind of lobsters is this to him? Omar H.M. Morrison, or Omar H.M. Spuppendyke? There are a lot of Lobsters, just like Pedrov in Brazil, it would be necessary to explain which one. wassat

            Good evening, Lyudmila. smile
            1. depressant
              depressant 21 February 2022 20: 20
              +4
              Yes, he is our esthete! Say "lobster" - and the book, and the person will eat without understanding. And he will say, they say, he thought that food was from the sea. Oh, I expose myself to the wrath of an unshaven man wassat )))
              1. Catfish
                Catfish 21 February 2022 20: 37
                +6
                Don't be upset, I haven't shaved for five days now, either laziness or uncleanness interferes. laughing
                So Anton is not alone in his beard here. smile
                1. depressant
                  depressant 21 February 2022 20: 47
                  +5
                  Yes, Bidstrup is powerful!)))
                2. Phil77
                  Phil77 22 February 2022 08: 25
                  +4
                  Similarly.
                  Shaving day is Monday.
                  Bidstrup has some really great caricatures. Especially? Women. lol
                  1. Phil77
                    Phil77 22 February 2022 13: 12
                    +2
                    A little bit.

            2. Phil77
              Phil77 22 February 2022 12: 37
              +3
              One of those people who are very well known. laughing bully


              And after all, too ... Omar!
              1. Catfish
                Catfish 22 February 2022 12: 45
                +3
                Yep, Omar Sharif, aka John Colorado. laughing

                1. Phil77
                  Phil77 22 February 2022 12: 48
                  +2
                  And a girl from the tribe naked!!! in the pond. Damn, how long ago was that!
                  1. Catfish
                    Catfish 22 February 2022 12: 55
                    +3
                    And the girl from the tribe is naked!!! in the pond.

          2. 3x3zsave
            3x3zsave 21 February 2022 20: 36
            +5
            For lobsters, I don’t have enough education, there the absorption tool is too complicated.
            1. depressant
              depressant 21 February 2022 20: 53
              +5
              Given the drying up of opportunities after vaccination. I’ll go on March 4 for a second injection, and everyone on the forums will hear from me: “Be-e-eee! ... Me-e-eee! ...”
              After the first one, you have to apologize wassat )))
              1. 3x3zsave
                3x3zsave 21 February 2022 21: 01
                +3
                And you apologize less. "Smolenka", damn it! ...
                1. depressant
                  depressant 21 February 2022 21: 17
                  +3
                  But where can I get to the "tar"! There was discipline - wow! Until you mend the stockings yourself, don't you dare give them away for washing. I wasn't drilled like that. Tights sewn up after washing wassat )))
                  1. Phil77
                    Phil77 22 February 2022 12: 39
                    +3
                    "tar"?
                    laughing laughing laughing
                    1. depressant
                      depressant 22 February 2022 14: 15
                      +2
                      Joker! )))
                      Pupils of the Smolny Institute lived in very poor conditions and cramped circumstances. But the noble breed often took its toll, and in the photographs they, decently dressed, look charming.
              2. Phil77
                Phil77 22 February 2022 17: 33
                +2
                "Be-e-eee!...Me-e-eee!"
                Yes. This Ginzburg is a terrible person. Ek you .... something twisted. bully
                Maybe not necessary, huh? A second dose? Well, her? bully Lemon tea? Garlic? Honey?
                1. depressant
                  depressant 22 February 2022 18: 50
                  +2
                  Ginzburg? )))
                  The surname is well-known, but I don’t remember who the carrier is. It's after my illness that these same "Be-e-her!" begin. Or maybe after vaccination? wassat )))
                  1. Fat
                    Fat 22 February 2022 19: 02
                    +4
                    hi Lyudmila Yakovlevna. Vitaly Lazarevich Ginzburg - Soviet and Russian theoretical physicist...
                    And Alexander Leonidovich Gintsburg is the director of the N.I. N. F. Gamalei, Academician of the Russian Academy of Medical Sciences, Academician of the Russian Academy of Sciences.
                    highly vaccine-related Sputnik-B
                    Both are heard... smile
                    1. depressant
                      depressant 22 February 2022 20: 06
                      +2
                      And, you are talking about these ... Of course, I know. Just a head full of others. Right now I listened to Putin's speech, spent an hour, drew conclusions.
            2. Catfish
              Catfish 21 February 2022 20: 57
              +5
              Re-read Omar Bradley, he is easy to digest and without "auxiliaries". smile
              1. 3x3zsave
                3x3zsave 21 February 2022 21: 04
                +4
                "Reread", it's you, uncle, well said ... You're mocking, not otherwise ...
                1. Catfish
                  Catfish 21 February 2022 21: 17
                  +4
                  Not at all, because I know that you love history, and his memoirs are really interesting, and he waxed Viscount Monti with exceptional elegance. Yes, there are a lot of interesting things about the war, as such, and about the Americans themselves, too.
                  I had a lot of fun reading his story about a trip to visit Marshal Konev, yes, there were other relations between us then. smile drinks
                  Unfortunately, I did not find his photo with Konev, although they were taken as a keepsake, but there are with Patton and Monty. wink

                  1. Phil77
                    Phil77 22 February 2022 08: 40
                    +4
                    Greetings Konstantin!
                    I beg! hi


                    1. Phil77
                      Phil77 22 February 2022 08: 44
                      +5
                      Here's more. With a return gift.
                      1. Catfish
                        Catfish 22 February 2022 11: 50
                        +4
                        Fine! Thanks, Seryozha! smile
                        Only there it was in a different sequence, first Bradley came to visit Konev and after a friendly dinner Konev handed him a thoroughbred stallion in the Kubachi harness and a TT with a mother-of-pearl handle with a silver notch and a dedicatory inscription. Bradley was amazed when he learned that we had prepared similar gifts for all the Allied commanders. The Americans did not think about it.
                        Bradley knew that our people really liked the Jeeps and ordered his captain for "life organization" to get a car that had never been driven. He replied that two of these had just come to Hayk's headquarters and he would get it, and he took out a zero "Willis". And to one lieutenant from the headquarters, a Texan dad sent a souvenir M1 carbine in a souvenir design, with a silver notch and in an "Indian" case, and in the jeep there was just a mount for such a carbine. They found a German engraver and he built a dedicatory inscription on a silver plate overnight. In the morning, Bradley went to Konev's to give himself away, and his heart was relieved when he saw that our marshal was sincerely delighted with the gifts.
                        This jeep, by the way, was taken away from my friend, as they say, right from under his nose. Konev's widow decided to sell the car and my friend was literally a couple of hours late.
                2. depressant
                  depressant 21 February 2022 21: 19
                  +4
                  Kostya is kind. He thinks of us better than we are.
                  1. Catfish
                    Catfish 22 February 2022 12: 03
                    +3
                    "I am what I am, and would be the same if the most chaste star twinkled over my cradle ... (c)

                    Good afternoon, Luda! love
                    1. depressant
                      depressant 22 February 2022 12: 37
                      +2
                      Hello Kostya! )))
                      Let such stars twinkle above us, under which the Internet never ends! And then I rummaged through the resources, and there the hysteria, they say, will be turned off by sanctions. Calm me down! wassat )))
                      1. Catfish
                        Catfish 22 February 2022 12: 39
                        +2
                        I don't think it will be turned off. How are they going to promote? In addition, they have a foundation - "Freedom of speech and freedom of the press" wink
                      2. Phil77
                        Phil77 22 February 2022 12: 46
                        +2
                        Probably the same as before. bully
                      3. depressant
                        depressant 22 February 2022 14: 21
                        +2
                        Yes, that's all there is to hope for. By the way, I also thought about it - but what about propaganda? )))
                        However, there may be another calculation. A society that cannot imagine life without the Internet will rage wildly and demolish the political branch of power, the economic branch will triumph under the leadership of Nabiulina and Siluanov, read the US State Department, and everything will be top-notch. So I thought sadly wassat )))
                      4. Catfish
                        Catfish 22 February 2022 14: 28
                        +2
                        Tanks were brought into the streets in our country, and more than once. We won't give offense... I don't know whom, but we won't give it anyway! angry
                      5. depressant
                        depressant 22 February 2022 14: 38
                        +2
                        I don’t remember exactly in what year - 2008 or 2014, tanks were moving along the highway towards Moscow all night. Or maybe it was when the liberals spoke out at Bolotnaya. There's also this Bozhena, what's her name, in the "funnel" singing something like "Get up, branded with a curse, the whole world of hungry and slaves!" I laughed and thought, they say, why are the well-fed climbing forward to sing this, and the hungry are bashfully silent? But because the well-fed are well-fed because they are impudent and replace the protest of the hungry with their own, solving their problems for them. And the hungry are silent because they are shy, bashful, and it turns out that they enter the position of the well-fed. wassat )))
                      6. Catfish
                        Catfish 22 February 2022 15: 36
                        +3
                        Those who are full are therefore mad with fat because they do not need to think about their daily bread.
                      7. depressant
                        depressant 22 February 2022 15: 50
                        +2
                        Kostya, this is about other well-fed. Who overate, but are not allowed to the top of the pyramid of needs. Because there they not only eat, but also rule. And those that you depicted - yes, at an expense! Competitors - in expense! The top is narrow, it won't fit all the overeaten people. They push it onto the sausage! Here they are, our insatiable ones, and got nervous.
                      8. Catfish
                        Catfish 22 February 2022 17: 05
                        +3
                        Luda, yes, well, all of them in the bath, by golly. It's been said for a long time.

                      9. depressant
                        depressant 22 February 2022 18: 46
                        +1
                        Kostya, I agree! )))
                        Only the brain itself works and tries to create conclusions. Like, what kind of reason for rejoicing was created for us, and who among themselves was strained by this reason. A lot is going on in my head. Because of the habit of waiting for danger from where ... they did not wait! wassat )))
                        By the way, Vyacheslav Olegovich has an article about food on Opinions. And now I think that they are covering up, what kind of uncertainty of opinions? )))
                      10. Catfish
                        Catfish 22 February 2022 19: 35
                        +3
                        Already there. We play the fool aka with Seryoga. laughing
                      11. Phil77
                        Phil77 22 February 2022 19: 50
                        +3
                        Paaardon!Exchanging....*opinions*! laughing
                      12. depressant
                        depressant 22 February 2022 20: 09
                        +1
                        I'll go where they sent wassat )))
                      13. Phil77
                        Phil77 22 February 2022 12: 44
                        +2
                        Does it exist at all ... life outside the Internet? bully
                        Back to the past?
                      14. Catfish
                        Catfish 22 February 2022 12: 49
                        +4
                        Back to the past?


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                      15. Phil77
                        Phil77 22 February 2022 12: 51
                        +2
                        Well, yes. As before, without the Internet.
                      16. Phil77
                        Phil77 22 February 2022 12: 54
                        +2
                        Oh, the smoking room is alive! 81 years old man, well done!
                      17. Catfish
                        Catfish 22 February 2022 12: 56
                        +4
                        Servant of capitalism! negative
                      18. Phil77
                        Phil77 22 February 2022 13: 07
                        +2
                        His transmission was very good ... musical. I listened often.
                      19. Catfish
                        Catfish 22 February 2022 13: 12
                        +2
                        In-in, this is how our brother is being brainwashed. bully
                      20. Phil77
                        Phil77 22 February 2022 13: 14
                        +3
                        Ha, ha, ha, ha! laughing
                        Thank God there is no one to talk about.
                        bully
                      21. Catfish
                        Catfish 22 February 2022 13: 24
                        +1
                        Thank God there is no one to talk about.

                        And who is it? belay
                      22. depressant
                        depressant 22 February 2022 14: 26
                        +4
                        Czech car wassat )))
                      23. Phil77
                        Phil77 22 February 2022 14: 57
                        +3
                        I insist on the tram! laughing
                      24. depressant
                        depressant 22 February 2022 15: 24
                        +4
                        And what makes sense!
                        A car is able to choose optimal roads, a tram is able to choose a track created once and for all.
                      25. Catfish
                        Catfish 22 February 2022 15: 33
                        +3
                        Slav is right, the Tatra always rushes along the same track, in a circle. laughing
                      26. Phil77
                        Phil77 22 February 2022 17: 16
                        0
                        Why Slav? Rut? Rather, the route is circular. Type "A", "Annushka", until further reductions in the route. laughing
                      27. Catfish
                        Catfish 22 February 2022 17: 34
                        +1
                        Why Slav?

                        And the devil knows?! Closed laughing I myself am surprised.
                      28. Phil77
                        Phil77 22 February 2022 13: 20
                        +3
                        But it's pretty bold for 1967, isn't it?
                      29. Catfish
                        Catfish 22 February 2022 13: 26
                        +2
                        Yes, I remember him, great cartoon. smile

                        A little more from Bidstrup. smile

                      30. depressant
                        depressant 22 February 2022 14: 28
                        +3
                        Bidstrup never happens too much!)))
                        Remarkable was the critic of capitalist ulcers.
                      31. depressant
                        depressant 22 February 2022 14: 24
                        +4
                        I have no life outside the Internet. After all, very often on various subtle mathematical problems I turn there. For me, that would be a blow below the belt. Well, and VO. How am I without VO? am !!!!
                      32. Phil77
                        Phil77 22 February 2022 15: 02
                        +3
                        Uh, no! You Lyudmila Yakovlevna have experience of that "without the Internet" life. But the younger generation will be uncomfortable, to put it mildly. But all this, of course, "if there is war tomorrow, if the enemy attacks ....".
                      33. depressant
                        depressant 22 February 2022 15: 32
                        +2
                        And what is the difference between the current me and the young ones in the application to the Internet? Unless they earn money in it, but I don’t. Although... Wait! They have an economic interest! He will be hurt! In the conditions of current unemployment! They will definitely rise and take down the power. Or the National Guard will take them down. And then what?!?
                      34. Catfish
                        Catfish 22 February 2022 15: 34
                        +1
                        And back you are right! good drinks
                      35. Fat
                        Fat 22 February 2022 15: 22
                        +3
                        It became interesting to me, whose sanction would it be? The sanction of the "collective West" against Russia or Russia against the "collective West" ... request
    2. parusnik
      parusnik 21 February 2022 20: 29
      +5
      I like to eat onions just like that, with anything
      And I love garlic, it smells like sausage laughing
  6. balabol
    balabol 21 February 2022 19: 11
    +6
    "But after the fall of Rome, Europe forgot about cloves and black pepper for many centuries, until the beginning of the Crusades."
    Question: Was trade with the East completely closed during the Arab conquests? Byzantium certainly had tense relations with the Arabs, but also traded and received imports from India. More expensive, more difficult, but what's the difference - the European buyer pays for everything. To maintain this distribution channel, relations between Byzantium and Venice were established.
    1. kalibr
      21 February 2022 19: 36
      +5
      Quote: balabol
      but what's the difference - the European buyer pays for everything.

      But he did not know that it had to be bought and paid for. And so he managed. Therefore, what Byzantium bought for itself is one thing. Italy is different. And Northern Europe is third. It was a completely different and somewhat wild world. How far it was overtaken by the same Qatari South of France, Arab Spain and Italy ... and even then not all ...
      1. balabol
        balabol 21 February 2022 20: 21
        +4
        I had a less categorical view. In the era of the barbarian kingdoms and somewhat later (from the fall of Rome to the 800s), the effective demand for spices decreased, but did not disappear. The single market, finances, and transport infrastructure have been destroyed. The transit of goods with high marginality continued. The path from the Varangians to the Greeks functioned because the future European Catholics, having spoiled relations with the Arabs, could not provide the required volumes, providing for Europe. Prices soared and only the regions you named could buy oriental goods in the broadest sense.
  7. Tests
    Tests 21 February 2022 19: 56
    +3
    ee2100 (Alexander), dear Mikhail Zadornov, claimed that Russia is the birthplace of horseradish ... In Estonia, and today, cumin is everywhere, including in cookies?
    Does someone like to put lovage on a piece of black bread with butter? ... And blackcurrant leaves, along with dill, in a jar of salted mushrooms, with a layer of black mushrooms on the bottom, a layer of white mushrooms above, above - a wave, from above, under cover - whites (white waves). And the smell and the colors! Yes, under vodka, on a juniper twig with a couple of berries!
    1. Korsar4
      Korsar4 21 February 2022 21: 05
      +5
      Grandma always added blackcurrant leaves when pickling cucumbers.
  8. Looking for
    Looking for 21 February 2022 20: 17
    0
    and Shpakovsky is true to himself - he fills his head with all sorts of nonsense. I look forward to the history of diapers and pads.
    1. kalibr
      21 February 2022 20: 26
      +7
      There is a lot about Ukraine in the NEWS section. Everything is serious there. Express your competent opinion about what is happening in the comments in this section. Better yet, call President Putin right away. He's been waiting for your advice on this serious situation...
      1. depressant
        depressant 21 February 2022 20: 38
        +5
        By the way...
        Here is a colleague looking for talking about pads and diapers, they say, is nonsense. And I have come across the opinion that in the field with a bullet wound there is nothing better than tampax for preliminary tamponing of a deep wound - it is sterile and stops bleeding.
    2. kalibr
      21 February 2022 20: 40
      +2
      Quote: Seeker
      I look forward to the history of diapers and pads.

      Well. It’s hardly worth writing a special article, but if you really want information on this topic, then I have an interesting example. Ob tampons were invented in Germany in 1947, and their production began in 1950. In the USA, they appeared only in 1974 (!), And in our country ... only in 1990, and then in Moscow and Leningrad. But "Everything is for the good of man!"
      1. depressant
        depressant 21 February 2022 21: 09
        +5
        Thanks for the info, but that doesn't matter. And they surprise colleagues who do not understand how important food is in a person’s life. It somehow happened that a person cannot survive without food, and it would be worthwhile to find out whether the population is ready to tighten their belts in connection with the next political initiative of the power branch. After all, in accordance with the internal political initiatives of the economic bloc (the second branch of power), people's belts are already tightened excessively, and there is no longer enough physical strength to spin new holes in them.
  9. 3x3zsave
    3x3zsave 21 February 2022 20: 55
    +7
    My respect, dear colleagues, comrades, and just friends!
    In my opinion, the author in his material forgot to highlight the main seasoning, namely sodium chloride. They really fought for him, killed and sold him!
    1. kalibr
      21 February 2022 21: 06
      +4
      Quote: 3x3zsave
      The second in his material forgot to highlight the main seasoning, namely sodium chloride.

      It is impossible to harness a horse and a quivering doe to one wagon.
      1. 3x3zsave
        3x3zsave 21 February 2022 21: 10
        +3
        Mdaa? And I think it is possible, necessary and important.
        1. depressant
          depressant 21 February 2022 21: 31
          +2
          By the way, yes!
          What is the first thing they buy on occasion? Salt and matches! You can live without sugar, but not without salt.
  10. El Chuvachino
    El Chuvachino 21 February 2022 21: 02
    +4
    Spice prolongs life. Spice expands consciousness. The spice is essential for space travel. (C) Dune
    1. depressant
      depressant 21 February 2022 21: 27
      +4
      Aha! Navigators could not cover distances without living in its atmosphere. In the new "Dune" the topic of Navigators is not disclosed! wassat )))
      1. El Chuvachino
        El Chuvachino 21 February 2022 21: 37
        +5
        More to come, stay tuned for Part XNUMX! save body water wassat
        1. depressant
          depressant 21 February 2022 22: 08
          +5
          Oh, you rascal! Would you like to stop going to the toilet?
          Or even worse... Yes, with our utility system capable of cutting off water for several days due to the decrepitude of Soviet pipes and the remoteness of reservoirs, all sorts of technical solutions can get into our heads, and we will become cosmonauts wassat )))
          1. El Chuvachino
            El Chuvachino 22 February 2022 00: 29
            +5
            Obviously, the USSR was the first to visit Arrakis!)) I would drink coffee with you ... with spice, like Fremen wassat
        2. kalibr
          22 February 2022 07: 34
          +3
          Today, at 18.00 in the section OPINIONS!
          1. Phil77
            Phil77 22 February 2022 17: 22
            +1
            The "Opinions" section sounds ominous. The "History" section sounds soothing. How did you get hurt? bully
            1. kalibr
              22 February 2022 19: 15
              0
              Quote: Phil77
              How did you get hurt?

              So after all, I do not choose where to put the material. It's up to the bosses...
  11. Korsar4
    Korsar4 21 February 2022 21: 02
    +3
    Spices were used in different ways. For example, the story of the "vinegar of four thieves" who looted during the plague is interesting. They were promised not to be burned if the recipe was opened. There are different versions of the recipe. I trust more with the participation of cloves and garlic. And really, they didn't burn it. They hung.
    1. astra wild2
      astra wild2 22 February 2022 20: 55
      +1
      And they probably hoped that they would save their lives
      1. Korsar4
        Korsar4 22 February 2022 20: 57
        0
        Literally didn't cheat. But those caught looting find it hard to hope for the best.
  12. Mihaylov
    Mihaylov 21 February 2022 21: 12
    +3
    My dear hungry colt, remember that there are no edible plants that do not serve for healing. It is important to observe the measure. They get sick from abuse. Take a pumpkin. She is from the wet and cold elements, quenches thirst. But if you overeat, there will be diarrhea, and you will have to squeeze the intestines with mustard, pounded with brine. And the bulbs? Consisting of warm and moist elements, they indulge in intercourse... Of course, this is for those who are not bound by our vows. Onions weigh our heads, with which we fight with milk and vinegar. Here are the reasons, - the monk slyly added, - it is better for a young monk to limit himself in the bow. Eat garlic. Dry and hot, it will protect against poisons. But do not overdo it, because this vegetable sucks a lot of humors out of the brain. Beans expel urine and increase fullness, both of which are great for health. Although from beans bad dreams ... But not as dangerous as from other herbs, catching up sleepy stupor ...
    hi
    1. Korsar4
      Korsar4 21 February 2022 22: 26
      +4
      Description of plants and their use by Umberto Eco can be reread and reread, savoring.
      1. Mihaylov
        Mihaylov 21 February 2022 22: 34
        +4
        Quote: Korsar4
        Description of plants and their use by Umberto Eco can be reread and reread, savoring.

        I also really like it. He must be quoting some kind of medieval treatise. hi
  13. bandabas
    bandabas 21 February 2022 21: 14
    +3
    As far as I know, a head of garlic was part of the legionnaire's daily diet. An important plus is a good natural antiseptic. The smell is a side effect.
    1. bandabas
      bandabas 21 February 2022 23: 17
      +3
      By the way. When women with different perfumes get together in one small room, garlic rests. laughing ! Not in the sense of sharpness, but in the sense ... Separately, it's normal. Together, like a chemical attack. lol
  14. Mihaylov
    Mihaylov 21 February 2022 21: 14
    +4
    Who has not heard about the laurel wreath, which crowned the winners in games and competitions in honor of the god Apollo, and there were a lot of them: Daphnephoria, Targelia, Delia, Pythian and Carnean games.

    For some reason I remembered "Only girls in jazz"
    "I'm Daphne!
    "Idiot, why are you Daphne?" wassat
  15. Mihaylov
    Mihaylov 21 February 2022 21: 17
    +2
    By the way, the pagan Slavs did the same, who burned thyme so that its fragrant smoke would bring joy to their gods.

    Interestingly, is there a source of this information about the Slavs? hi
    1. kalibr
      21 February 2022 22: 04
      +2
      There is a source. But I won't say which one now. The material has been prepared for a long time. Everything was written out on separate sheets of paper from different books. Then... everything went to waste.
  16. Edward Vashchenko
    Edward Vashchenko 21 February 2022 21: 32
    +4
    Very interesting topic! Thanks, I enjoyed reading it.
    Yours faithfully,
    hi
    1. kalibr
      21 February 2022 22: 04
      +2
      Glad you liked it, Edward. There will be a second item. And then a third...
      1. Edward Vashchenko
        Edward Vashchenko 21 February 2022 22: 58
        +2
        I will read it with pleasure!
        1. kalibr
          22 February 2022 07: 32
          +3
          Today at 18.00 will be released in the OPINIONS section
  17. Undecim
    Undecim 21 February 2022 21: 38
    +10
    Quote: ee2100
    And what about dill - a purely Russian seasoning, the culinary historian thinks.

    I am not a culinary historian, but I know for sure that dill does not belong to "purely Russian spices" in any way. It was also used in ancient Egypt in ancient Greece.
    It is widely used as a spice throughout the world, in some countries it is the most important ingredient in national dishes (sopa do Espírito Santo in the Azores, for example).
    1. kalibr
      21 February 2022 22: 07
      +2
      Well, this is how a person "takes on" with me. If only he had something to say ... and something to cling to. But it seemed to Anton that salt should have been added here too ...
      1. Undecim
        Undecim 21 February 2022 22: 11
        +7
        You wrote about spices. And salt is a condiment, not a spice. About salt, I think it makes sense to write a separate article.
        1. kalibr
          22 February 2022 07: 31
          +5
          Quote: Undecim
          About salt, I think it makes sense to write a separate article.

          Without a Doubt: SALT AND WAR
          1. hohol95
            hohol95 22 February 2022 10: 46
            +3
            SALT and Popular Riots!
            There were such.
    2. Mihaylov
      Mihaylov 21 February 2022 22: 19
      +4
      Quote: Undecim
      and in ancient Greece.

      Do the Greeks grow ordinary dill?
      Fennel - yes, and the translator gives only a version - μάραθο, that is, fennel.
      But it’s interesting Marathon - how is “Dill” translated? hi
      1. Undecim
        Undecim 21 February 2022 22: 24
        +4
        Grow up. In Greek - Άνηθος.
      2. Korsar4
        Korsar4 21 February 2022 22: 27
        +3
        Fennel was also considered to be healing for the eyes.
  18. CHEREDA73
    CHEREDA73 21 February 2022 21: 59
    +3
    Hello, Vyacheslav Olegovich!
    By the way, plain boiled rice seasoned with saffron is much tastier than rice ... without saffron!

    Still, the saying is true that "there is no comrade for the taste and color." When rice with saffron is constantly offered as a side dish, it becomes absolutely all the same whether it is with or without saffron. There is impossible.
    1. kalibr
      22 February 2022 07: 31
      +3
      Quote: CHEREDA73
      constantly offered rice with saffron

      Constantly and from black caviar sick!
  19. Tests
    Tests 22 February 2022 10: 38
    +3
    Hunter 2 (Aleksey), dear, here it tastes and color ... I took cloudberries to Estonia and Lithuania, it seems that it grows there, and there it grows, and people tried it for the first time, some did not like the bones inside the berries. But everyone accepted blueberry jam with enthusiasm, as well as tea from cloudberry sepals (in the Arkhangelsk region they say: "from cloudberry cockles"). For several years, the Arkhangelsk algae plant has been making marmalade on agar-agar from White Sea algae with various fillers. My daughters always ask me to bring them marmalade with lingonberries and cloudberries.
  20. Tests
    Tests 22 February 2022 10: 44
    +5
    Korsar4 (Sergey), dear, we practically did not grow cucumbers in the Far North until the 80s of the last century. Wooden barrels, 200 liters each, of pickled Yaroslavl cucumbers 6-9 centimeters long were brought to the market. There was aroma-a-at! With currant leaf, dill and a little bit of horseradish leaves....
    1. hohol95
      hohol95 22 February 2022 19: 42
      +1
      And in Lipetsk, in the school cafeteria, in winter, they gave us barrel cucumbers and tomatoes.
      Gray in color, sometimes tasty, sometimes sour to the point of disgrace ... Yes, and they sometimes smelled ... crying
    2. Korsar4
      Korsar4 25 February 2022 18: 04
      0
      Pickling in a barrel, that of cucumbers, that of mushrooms is different. But this almost did not catch.
  21. hohol95
    hohol95 22 February 2022 10: 45
    +3
    Since it starts with spices, it will probably end with opium wars ... recourse
    1. kalibr
      22 February 2022 19: 17
      +1
      Quote: hohol95
      Since it starts with spices, it will probably end with opium wars ...

      A good idea. I'll think about it.
  22. Tests
    Tests 22 February 2022 20: 38
    +1
    hohol95 (Aleksey), dear, in your blessed places?!... 4, with a ponytail, years ago I was visiting my eldest daughter in Voronezh in the summer. The guys took me to Kudykina Gora. We had a wonderful rest, I took a swim in the Don for the first time with my son-in-law, however, they did not wait for the evening and did not see how the Serpent-Gorynych was bursting with fire. Your fields are gorgeous on black soil, like corn, like sunflower! ... For the first time in my life, I tried lightly salted cucumbers from the garden during the holidays after 1st grade. We went to my mother's friend at home in the Novgorod region in the city of Borovichi. The house was private, an apple orchard, a vegetable garden, the Msta River with fish, beyond the river - a pine forest with porcini mushrooms. There is a hammock in the garden between the trees - no horseflies during the day, no mosquitoes in the evening, no midges, like ours, a fairy tale ... When we were in Borovichi, we received a message that the crew of the Soyuz: Volkov, Patsaev, Dobrovolsky died during landing on Earth ...
  23. astra wild2
    astra wild2 22 February 2022 20: 46
    0
    Good evening.: "A very primitive property", you are probably talking about a glacier? The site had comments about glaciers and cellars
  24. Grim Reaper
    Grim Reaper 24 February 2022 17: 43
    0
    [quote=kalibr][quote=Grim Reaper] I'm one of those guys who loves and knows how to cook. :)[/quote]
    My fraternal greetings and approval to you. No, we have pure nettles. With egg - carrots and green onions. But the dough is yeasty! :)[/quote]
    My fraternal greetings and approval to you. No, we have pure nettles. With egg - carrots and green onions. But yeast dough! [/ Quote]
    Yeast dough, of course, with green onions is very good. But never with carrots :)