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“Air group with dubious usefulness”: in the French press about the obsolescence of carrier-based aircraft of the Russian Navy

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"Admiral Kuznetsov" became the only aircraft carrier that Russia inherited from an extensive modernization program of the Soviet fleet.


She became an aircraft carrier as a result of a number of compromises: the ship is heavily armed, but her air group is limited, and her combat readiness is low.

- noted in the French edition of Air & Cosmos.

As indicated, as a cruiser, the Admiral Kuznetsov carries 12 P-700 Granit attack missiles with a range of 500 km, "which are rightfully called aircraft carrier destroyers." At the same time, the air fleet located on board is "much weaker than its Western contemporaries (maximum 15-20 aircraft) and has a predominantly defensive purpose."

According to the author, the air group of the ship is represented by Su-33 and MiG-29K fighters, which are equipped with powerful enough engines to take off from a springboard. However, they are not able to take off with a large mass of equipment, which imposes restrictions on the range of vehicles. The volume of their release also does not impress the author:

Only a few dozen aircraft were built.

However, even such a small number of carrier-based fighters rarely take to the air. For example, according to the Pentagon, during the deployment of "Admiral Kuznetsov" in Syria in 2016, only 154 sorties were made within two months: "this is 3 per day, which is 10-15 times less than that of a modern aircraft carrier."

According to the author in the French press, this negatively affects the qualifications of pilots, which, in turn, leads to increased accident rates. So, during the Syrian operation, three aircraft were lost. The deployment of the ship in northern latitudes also prevents regular flights due to "ice cover [on deck] and lack of [sunlight] light."

As a result, we see an aging air group, the usefulness of which is doubtful. To date, the service life of the Su-33 is expiring, although they already have low combat effectiveness.

- indicated in the French press.

As “evidence”, the author cites an example when Israeli Air Force F-15s intercepted Su-33s, whose avionics allegedly failed to detect a threat. As he notes, at least about three dozen Su-33s were produced, MiG-29K - only about 15 units. At the same time, about 6 years have already passed since the last mission of the Admiral Kuznetsov, which continues to be under repair.

As the author writes, the Russian fleet can only jealously watch the replenishment of the Chinese Navy with new aircraft carriers. Although there is a chance that Beijing will assist Moscow:

Can Russia turn to China for help in modernizing its fleet? Technically possible, but politically it is a difficult decision.

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  1. rocket757
    rocket757 4 February 2022 15: 26
    +42
    And what is there to discuss .... no discussion, because there is practically no subject for discussion.
    1. knn54
      knn54 4 February 2022 15: 55
      +1
      - The deployment of the ship in northern latitudes also prevents regular flights due to "ice cover [on deck] and lack of [sunlight] light."
      During the exercises "Single Trident-2018", he was forced to curtail his operations off the coast of Norway. (including) nuclear attack aircraft carrier USS Harry S. Truman.
      So in the northern latitudes, American eagles do not fly either.
      - it remains only to watch jealously
      It looks like the author is French.
      1. rocket757
        rocket757 4 February 2022 16: 18
        +14
        So no one, except minke whales, has much to brag about ... unless China starts to catch up with them.
      2. kytx
        kytx 4 February 2022 16: 19
        +4
        Gary Truman is a different class in principle. If anything, he can also heat up the deck!
        (Don't take it literally)
      3. alexey sidykin
        alexey sidykin 4 February 2022 17: 44
        -3
        Quote: knn54
        - The deployment of the ship in northern latitudes also prevents regular flights due to "ice cover [on deck] and lack of [sunlight] light."
        During the exercises "Single Trident-2018", he was forced to curtail his operations off the coast of Norway. (including) nuclear attack aircraft carrier USS Harry S. Truman.
        So in the northern latitudes, American eagles do not fly either.
        - it remains only to watch jealously
        It looks like the author is French.

        Moreover, France did not pull the construction of the second aircraft carrier, and they themselves have only one laughing
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      4. PSih2097
        PSih2097 4 February 2022 20: 19
        +4
        Quote: knn54
        (including) nuclear attack aircraft carrier USS Harry S. Truman.

        like in that ad...
        "And they would make infrared floors" ...
        then they could continue to fly, especially since the film / cables under the flight deck do not eat up much power from the YaSU ...
        Moreover, France did not pull the construction of the second aircraft carrier, and they themselves have only one

        it will be necessary to be able, after all, the second economy of the EU. Although yes, the United States completely lowered them, first with us (the Russian Federation with Mistrals), then with Australia (NPS) and where poor France should run, they already have emigrants, as it were, with more than a quarter of the population ... For that, the FRG has new contracts for diesel-electric submarines pr. 212 with Israel and Turkey ...
    2. bald
      bald 5 February 2022 14: 09
      +1
      Hello, I agree. Here's what - one of all this is my friend from school Alekseev Vitaly - he finished the Chelyabinsk flight and he told a lot about the switchboard north, everything that happened there in the Baltic and in the Atlantic, he died on our roads - he was going to change to Murmansk - forehead in the forehead of the car - he had a rank of lieutenant colonel, he led our bombers, Vit, I got confused about the planes - brands and use.
      1. rocket757
        rocket757 5 February 2022 14: 33
        0
        Welcome.
        We are trying to discuss what we practically don’t have now ... i.e. aircraft carrier branch of aviation.
        And so, aviation becomes unified / universal, bombers are only strategists.
        These are the global trends set by the leaders of the aircraft industry.
        1. bald
          bald 6 February 2022 16: 23
          +1
          You're right, this carrier group, it will only strengthen us and save money on its maintenance. I told you, as Vitaly said, this worthless group in the Baltic - the navigator on our bomb, I'm sorry, he gurgled drunk. And Vitaly died absurdly - a road accident
  2. DrRey
    DrRey 4 February 2022 15: 32
    +10
    Apparently, the French carrier armada is capable of simply eclipsing the sky with its number of aircraft. As we say in Russia - whose cow would moo.
    1. Serg Kam
      Serg Kam 4 February 2022 15: 40
      -7
      Apparently, the French carrier armada is capable of simply overshadowing the sky with its number of aircraft.

      The frogs do not oppose themselves to the whole world, or at least to a large military bloc.
      At the same time, their aircraft carrier air group has an advantage over Kuznetsov - in the presence of AWACS
      Our Yak-44 did not fly, alas.
      1. vitvit123
        vitvit123 4 February 2022 16: 19
        +8
        So we also do not oppose ourselves to NATO, it is NATO that opposes Russia ..
        1. PSih2097
          PSih2097 4 February 2022 20: 29
          0
          Quote: vitvit123
          So we also do not oppose ourselves to NATO, it is NATO that opposes Russia ..

          YES, what are you saying ... How long have you not watched central channels? belay Look and then they will come for you and force you to watch ... laughing fellow
    2. Cat Alexandrovich
      Cat Alexandrovich 4 February 2022 15: 40
      +13
      Dear DrRey, is it necessary in this case to enter into controversy on the basis of the principle of "oneself a fool"? It's just that each country has its own advantages and disadvantages, its own strengths and weaknesses. Each country decides what it needs and has the money it needs ... Well, something like that ...
      1. DrRey
        DrRey 5 February 2022 14: 49
        -1
        It may not be necessary to debate, but before discussing someone else's, you need to remember about your own.
  3. Emergency
    Emergency 4 February 2022 15: 33
    -12
    Frogs, so that you do not need to roll aircraft carriers.
    1. PSih2097
      PSih2097 4 February 2022 20: 34
      -4
      Quote: Emergency
      Frogs, so that you do not need to roll aircraft carriers.

      Well, yes, in order to simply roll out the whole of Western and / or South-Western Europe, you need nothing at all - a couple of three tank armies, just ... (this is by convention).
      And yes, only one R36M2 "Voevoda".
  4. iouris
    iouris 4 February 2022 15: 33
    +17
    1) The navy is needed to protect merchant ships and communications.
    2) While there is no economy and access to the ocean, naval ambitions are a means of self-satisfaction.
    3) More important is the railway network, connecting the islands of civilization with a dense network of roads.
    1. poquello
      poquello 4 February 2022 15: 39
      +2
      Quote: iouris
      3) More important is the railway network, connecting the islands of civilization with a dense network of roads.

      and what about the aircraft-carrying railway trains?
    2. Serg Kam
      Serg Kam 4 February 2022 15: 44
      0
      The navy is needed to protect merchant ships and communications

      Shouldn't the borders be guarded? How about reconnaissance?
      Just an aircraft carrier can go out into the ocean and, with the help of AWACS, observe the enemy from afar, prevent it from flying up / swimming up / sneaking up to the country at a firing range.
      1. poquello
        poquello 4 February 2022 16: 20
        -3
        Quote: SergKam
        The navy is needed to protect merchant ships and communications

        Shouldn't the borders be guarded? How about reconnaissance?
        Just an aircraft carrier can go out into the ocean and, with the help of AWACS, observe the enemy from afar, prevent it from flying up / swimming up / sneaking up to the country at a firing range.

        but does a DLRO plane fly without an aircraft carrier?
        1. Andrei from Chelyabinsk
          Andrei from Chelyabinsk 4 February 2022 17: 06
          +14
          Quote: poquello
          but does a DLRO plane fly without an aircraft carrier?

          How many AWACS aircraft are in the Russian Navy?
          1. poquello
            poquello 4 February 2022 17: 11
            -15
            Quote: Andrey from Chelyabinsk
            Quote: poquello
            but does a DLRO plane fly without an aircraft carrier?

            How many AWACS aircraft are in the Russian Navy?

            was not interested somehow, 2-3 at the site of constant monitoring
            1. Andrei from Chelyabinsk
              Andrei from Chelyabinsk 4 February 2022 17: 24
              +22
              Quote: poquello
              not interested in any way

              No one. They are not in the Navy. Sometimes, on major holidays, they can attract videoconferencing. But taking into account that the Aerospace Forces also had one or two of them, in which case the fleet does not have to rely on them
              1. poquello
                poquello 4 February 2022 17: 45
                -13
                Quote: Andrey from Chelyabinsk
                Quote: poquello
                not interested in any way

                No one. They are not in the Navy. Sometimes, on major holidays, they can attract videoconferencing. But taking into account that the Aerospace Forces also had one or two of them, in which case the fleet does not have to rely on them

                maybe so needed?
                1. Andrei from Chelyabinsk
                  Andrei from Chelyabinsk 4 February 2022 17: 58
                  +19
                  Quote: poquello
                  maybe so needed?

                  Well, of course :))) Why do blind people need eyes? If not, it means that you didn’t really want to, right?
                  1. poquello
                    poquello 4 February 2022 18: 10
                    -8
                    Quote: Andrey from Chelyabinsk
                    Quote: poquello
                    maybe so needed?

                    Well, of course :))) Why do blind people need eyes? If not, it means that you didn’t really want to, right?

                    bloated hyperbole, why binoculars when there is a stereo tube or vice versa
                    1. Andrei from Chelyabinsk
                      Andrei from Chelyabinsk 4 February 2022 18: 13
                      +12
                      Quote: poquello
                      overblown hyperbole

                      I didn't start it. The usefulness of airspace control is obvious. There were such planes in the USSR. In the Russian Federation, the need for EGSONPO (a unified state lighting system for surface and underwater glazing) has been approved at the highest level
                      1. poquello
                        poquello 4 February 2022 18: 21
                        -11
                        Quote: Andrey from Chelyabinsk
                        The usefulness of airspace control is obvious.

                        and what is it? no avax - no control?
                      2. Andrei from Chelyabinsk
                        Andrei from Chelyabinsk 4 February 2022 18: 22
                        +13
                        Quote: poquello
                        and what is it? no avax - no control?

                        Right
                      3. poquello
                        poquello 4 February 2022 18: 35
                        -8
                        Quote: Andrey from Chelyabinsk
                        Quote: poquello
                        and what is it? no avax - no control?

                        Right

                        I have a straight pattern break),
                        Quote: Andrey from Chelyabinsk
                        In the Russian Federation, the need for EGSONPO (a unified state lighting system for surface and underwater glazing) has been approved at the highest level

                        , the need has been approved, but there are no Avaxes and it’s not particularly planned, well, there are a few A-100s, and there are all sorts of different radars there, of which many don’t see anything?
                      4. Alexey RA
                        Alexey RA 4 February 2022 19: 56
                        +10
                        Quote: poquello
                        and there are all sorts of different radars of which many don’t see anything already?

                        Ground-based radars see - but only up to the radio horizon / line-of-sight range. And then - very approximately and inaccurately.
                        What is the absence of an AWACS aircraft in the air defense system was well shown by the Syrian-Israeli war of 1982. The air defense of Syria did not control the situation in the MV and WWI, and the Israeli Air Force aircraft operating on them worked like in a shooting range - they were discovered only after going on the attack. In general, the exit of the interception group to the target in WWI in that war became the standard tactic of Israel. But this tactic did not help the Syrians - the Hawkeyes saw the entire theater of operations from above at all heights.

                        With regard to AB, the absence of an AWACS aircraft means either the possibility of a covert exit of enemy strikers and its anti-ship missiles up to the turn of 35-40 km, or the need to constantly keep in the air (around the AB at the turn of 100-150 km) at least a squadron to "emulate" AWACS using radar fighters. In this case, at least a regiment will be required for round-the-clock duty.
                        For comparison: aircraft carrier of a healthy person to control the airspace within a radius of 300 km from the warrant in 24/7 mode, only 4 Hokai are required, and one of them may be under repair.
                      5. poquello
                        poquello 4 February 2022 20: 54
                        -8
                        Quote: Alexey RA
                        Ground-based radars see - but only up to the radio horizon / line-of-sight range. And then - very approximately and inaccurately.

                        ) well, hello, there are over-the-horizon radars in the complex and I don’t remember who is there now, but the accuracy is up to light aircraft at airfields, or is it like
                        Quote: Alexey RA
                        very approximate and inaccurate

                        ? ))))))))
                      6. PSih2097
                        PSih2097 4 February 2022 21: 42
                        -5
                        Quote: Alexey RA
                        For comparison: an aircraft carrier of a healthy person needs only 300 Hawkeyes to control the airspace within a radius of 24 km from the order in 7/4 mode, and one of them may be under repair.

                        it’s not in vain that in China they draw pictures of aircraft carriers with AWACS based on the Il-76, and after all, its power-to-weight ratio is many times greater than that of a hawkai.
                      7. Andrei from Chelyabinsk
                        Andrei from Chelyabinsk 5 February 2022 10: 49
                        +5
                        Quote: poquello
                        I have a straight pattern break),

                        I'm glad that you learned something new for yourself :)
                        Quote: poquello
                        , the need has been approved, but there are no Avaxes and it’s not particularly planned, well, there are a few A-100s, and there are all sorts of different radars there, of which many don’t see anything?

                        Alexei told you what they see. On my own behalf, I’ll add that ZGRLS cannot be used to control air combat and that only an aircraft carrier allows for both control and prompt response by fighters to a threat - from land this can be achieved only by using forces that significantly exceed the cost of an aircraft carrier
                      8. poquello
                        poquello 5 February 2022 11: 58
                        -3
                        Quote: Andrey from Chelyabinsk
                        Alexei told you what they see.

                        everything is clear, ))))))) I told Alexei what they see
                        Quote: Andrey from Chelyabinsk
                        I’ll add on my own that ZGRLS cannot be used to control air combat

                        I'm not interested, I won't talk
                      9. S. Nikolaev
                        S. Nikolaev 4 February 2022 21: 20
                        -1
                        Before, I only guessed that aircraft carriers were needed to protect the borders, but now I am finally convinced of this.

                        True, you can try "peonies" with "vines" for a start. But if it does not work out, then - yes, you will have to build an aircraft carrier. And where to go
                      10. Andrei from Chelyabinsk
                        Andrei from Chelyabinsk 5 February 2022 10: 44
                        +2
                        Quote: S. Nikolaev
                        True, you can try "peonies" with "vines" for a start.

                        Already tried. IN USSR. Did not work out. They didn’t pull the satellite constellation, which could cover the surface situation, but no one even threatened to control the airspace from satellites
                      11. S. Nikolaev
                        S. Nikolaev 5 February 2022 11: 42
                        -1
                        IN USSR. Did not work out

                        You never know when they tried something. Time (and technology) does not stand still
                      12. Andrei from Chelyabinsk
                        Andrei from Chelyabinsk 5 February 2022 11: 56
                        +3
                        Quote: S. Nikolaev
                        You never know when they tried something. Time (and technology) does not stand still

                        Sergey, let's move from slogans to boring reality. In order to ensure constant monitoring by space means, dozens of satellites with active radars are needed - simply because of the height of the orbit. How many do we have?
                        The radar reconnaissance satellite eats a lot of energy. In the USSR, this issue was resolved by attaching a nuclear reactor to the satellite. We don’t have anything like that on radar satellites. Accordingly, their service life is very short, they will constantly require replacement. Again, the question is about the size of the group.
                        Can you name a system that would allow you to see Lian data in real time? Have you heard of something like this?
                      13. S. Nikolaev
                        S. Nikolaev 5 February 2022 12: 06
                        -2
                        but let's go from slogans to boring reality

                        We won't be able to with you. We do not know this reality. However, I admit that only I am in the dark, because I do not know what the design bureau is doing, in which Andrey from Chelyabinsk works.
                      14. Andrei from Chelyabinsk
                        Andrei from Chelyabinsk 5 February 2022 12: 08
                        +4
                        Quote: S. Nikolaev
                        We won't be able to with you. We do not know this reality.

                        It's not a question, if you want to believe in omnipotent devices that are not shown to you - believe me, questions of religion are sacred to me
                      15. S. Nikolaev
                        S. Nikolaev 5 February 2022 14: 16
                        -2
                        That's exactly why I said that about reality - it will not work. After all, you believe that there are no such systems ("devices"). Or you know for sure that they do not exist, since your design bureau has been struggling with this problem for many years to no avail. So in which design bureau and in what direction do you work?
                      16. poquello
                        poquello 5 February 2022 12: 12
                        -3
                        Quote: Andrey from Chelyabinsk
                        let's move from slogans to boring reality. In order to ensure constant monitoring by space means, dozens of satellites with active radars are needed - simply because of the height of the orbit. How many do we have?

                        come on, come on, I just don’t see anything from you other than mentoring statements, but there’s no such thing as complete and permanent?
                      17. Andrei from Chelyabinsk
                        Andrei from Chelyabinsk 5 February 2022 12: 39
                        +3
                        Quote: poquello
                        and not full and not permanent does not happen?

                        It happens. So we have - not complete, not permanent, untimely, not allowing to direct fighter aircraft, quite easily destroyed with the start of the conflict.
                        Quote: poquello
                        I just don’t see anything from you other than mentoring statements

                        Excuse me, but do I need to write you 3 volumes with a continuation, explaining what airspace control is based on? I wrote to you that there are no AWACS aircraft in the fleet. This is a fact, what does mentoring have to do with it? Alexey gave you a short but capacious information on AWACS, what does mentoring have to do with it?
                        Quote: poquello
                        well, hello, there are over-the-horizon radars in the complex and I don’t remember who is there now, but the accuracy is up to light aircraft at airfields, or is it like

                        The newest "Container" seems to be capable of this, but it still won't be able to control air combat from it.
                        The latest Russian over-the-horizon stations are able to detect aircraft almost without error (with a probability of at least 80%). The period of aircraft detection in the zone of continuous control does not exceed 350 seconds (no more than 6 minutes). Group targets are fixed for 6-15 minutes from the moment of takeoff.

                        Or
                        “The station is an important link in the strategic containment system, the most important link and cornerstone in the system of reconnaissance and warning of an aerospace attack,” quoted Lieutenant General Andrei Demin, commander of the 1st Air Defense Forces of the Russian Aerospace Forces, press Ministry of Defense service.

                        That is, a really useful thing and can do a lot, but the AWACS aircraft does not replace
              2. Oleg Zorin
                Oleg Zorin 4 February 2022 18: 11
                +5
                Andrey Nikolaevich, what is the point of the Granit anti-ship missiles on Kuznetsovo? How can he get close to the enemy at 550 km?
                1. Andrei from Chelyabinsk
                  Andrei from Chelyabinsk 4 February 2022 18: 21
                  +10
                  Quote: Oleg Zorin
                  Andrey Nikolaevich, what is the point of the Granit anti-ship missiles on Kuznetsovo? How can he get close to the enemy at 550 km?

                  Oddly enough, he could. Recall how Woodwart, on his destroyer, during maneuvers with the Americans, managed to bring his EM to a direct line of sight to the American aircraft carrier :))))
                  The British had EMNIP 4 ships, the Americans - AUG, the task of the British was to reach the range of a rocket shot. The Americans caught 3 ships, and Woodwart was able to pass and signal the start of a missile attack :)))
                  This is one. The second is missiles, this is a guarantee that the NK of the Americans will REALLY not want to approach the TAVKR at 500 km. Thirdly, TAVKR was constantly part of 5OPESK, and there Granite blocked the entire Mediterranean in width, if TAVKR was in the middle. In general, for the 6th fleet, the headache is still the same.
                  1. Tomcat_Tomcat
                    Tomcat_Tomcat 4 February 2022 19: 58
                    +1
                    As far as I remember, for the TAVKR "Eagle" of project 1160, a project was being worked out for the Su-28KRTS reconnaissance and target designation aircraft based on the Su-27K. Why was the project buried? After all, in fact, the idea is sound, to have your own "own" reconnaissance target designator for the use of the Granit missile system. Have you decided to limit yourself to Ka-25Ts helicopters?
                    1. Andrei from Chelyabinsk
                      Andrei from Chelyabinsk 5 February 2022 10: 42
                      +2
                      Quote from Tomcat_Tomcat
                      Why was the project buried?

                      They came up with something with the Su-27 outboard equipment and sawed the Yak-44 - a full-fledged AWACS, they hoped to put him on Kuznetsov
                  2. Alexey RA
                    Alexey RA 4 February 2022 20: 05
                    +5
                    Quote: Andrey from Chelyabinsk
                    Oddly enough, he could. Recall how Woodwart, on his destroyer, during maneuvers with the Americans, managed to bring his EM to a direct line of sight to the American aircraft carrier :))))

                    The example is a bit irrelevant: Woodwart passed off his Glamorgan destroyer as the Rawalpindi liner.
                    Under what liner will the Kuznetsov disguise itself? And in general - what kind of civilian shipping can we talk about in relation to the combat zone with the use of AUG? wink
                    1. Andrei from Chelyabinsk
                      Andrei from Chelyabinsk 5 February 2022 10: 30
                      +2
                      Quote: Alexey RA
                      The example is a bit irrelevant: Woodwart passed off his Glamorgan destroyer as the Rawalpindi liner.

                      Well, TAVKR will also pretend to be someone laughing
                      Quote: Alexey RA
                      Under what liner will the Kuznetsov disguise itself? And in general - what kind of civilian shipping can we talk about in relation to the combat zone with the use of AUG?

                      So the war will start suddenly, exactly with the traffic that is still there. It is unlikely that global shipping will be warned of a sudden attack ...
                      Well, and most importantly, the anti-ship missile carrier does not need to go to the line-of-sight range - several hundred km are enough. It's daunting, but not completely impossible.
                  3. Oleg Zorin
                    Oleg Zorin 12 February 2022 20: 43
                    0
                    Thank you Andrey Nikolaevich
    3. vl903
      vl903 4 February 2022 16: 18
      +4
      need boats with rockets? and who will clear and protect their deployment zone from NATO PLO? without aviks, our submarines are a waste of money ....
      1. poquello
        poquello 4 February 2022 16: 22
        -15
        Quote: vl903
        and who will be their deployment zone

        and inflation?
        1. vl903
          vl903 4 February 2022 16: 26
          +9
          Quote: poquello
          Quote: vl903
          and who will be their deployment zone

          and inflation?

          fishermen have inflatable boats, this is on another forum)))
          1. poquello
            poquello 4 February 2022 16: 42
            -8
            Quote: vl903
            Quote: poquello
            Quote: vl903
            and who will be their deployment zone

            and inflation?

            fishermen have inflatable boats, this is on another forum)))

            yes, those that are on this forum seem to be deployed when necessary, the enemy is inflated
            1. vl903
              vl903 4 February 2022 16: 57
              +11
              Quote: poquello
              Quote: vl903
              Quote: poquello
              Quote: vl903
              and who will be their deployment zone

              and inflation?

              fishermen have inflatable boats, this is on another forum)))

              yes, those that are on this forum seem to be deployed when necessary, the enemy is inflated

              blessed is he who believes and does not try to think))) I envy you!!!!
              1. poquello
                poquello 4 February 2022 17: 05
                -9
                Quote: vl903
                Quote: poquello
                Quote: vl903
                Quote: poquello
                Quote: vl903
                and who will be their deployment zone

                and inflation?

                fishermen have inflatable boats, this is on another forum)))

                yes, those that are on this forum seem to be deployed when necessary, the enemy is inflated

                blessed is he who believes and does not try to think))) I envy you!!!!

                normal, normal, positive, no matter how much the bourgeoisie poke their beacons - they don’t poke everything, and satellites break sometimes - they don’t even show it)
                1. vl903
                  vl903 4 February 2022 17: 11
                  +4
                  Avik cannot do anything with all sorts of Sosus and satellites, but PLO can very effectively disperse or give target designation to insolent NATO ships and submarines.
                  now our boats will not be able to repulse a NATO nuclear strike. and this doesn't seem right to me. NATO should feel the trunk at the temple
                  1. poquello
                    poquello 4 February 2022 17: 14
                    -7
                    Quote: vl903
                    but PLO can very effectively disperse or give target designation to insolent NATO ships and submarines.

                    rhetorical question
                    1. vl903
                      vl903 4 February 2022 17: 26
                      +6
                      Quote: poquello
                      Quote: vl903
                      but PLO can very effectively disperse or give target designation to insolent NATO ships and submarines.

                      rhetorical question

                      for boat crews, and for citizens of the Russian Federation, this is a matter of life and death.
                      Although you are right, why think about it, anyway, nothing depends on my couch opinion)))
                      1. poquello
                        poquello 4 February 2022 17: 40
                        -12
                        Quote: vl903
                        Although you are right, why think about it, anyway, nothing depends on my couch opinion)))

                        they didn’t understand the idea, it’s possible to disperse - if they accelerate), but there are other possibilities for target designation for anti-ship missiles, and there are s400 to destroy their target designators
                      2. vl903
                        vl903 4 February 2022 17: 46
                        +7
                        Quote: poquello
                        Quote: vl903
                        Although you are right, why think about it, anyway, nothing depends on my couch opinion)))

                        they didn’t understand the idea, it’s possible to disperse - if they accelerate), but there are other possibilities for target designation for anti-ship missiles, and there are s400 to destroy their target designators

                        what are the possibilities for target designation?
                        what is the range of the s400?
                        tomohawks seem to be under 10 thousand, plus drones, probably several tens of thousands .... it seems the c400 will be a little busy with work?
                      3. poquello
                        poquello 4 February 2022 17: 47
                        -10
                        Quote: vl903
                        tomohawks seem to be under 10 thousand, plus drones, probably several tens of thousands .... it seems the c400 will be a little busy with work?

                        it won’t, tomahawks are the goal of the shells
  5. GUARD
    GUARD 4 February 2022 15: 35
    -14
    How they bake for our "Kuzya"! It means they are afraid and respected. And, as far as I can remember, they all slander our technology: they have everything new, better, fresh. We have the same: antediluvian junk. I had a chance to talk in life with combat pilots, pvoshniks. Both those and those, as in one voice said that in spite of everything, we see further than them, better than them. For me, this is a reinforced concrete justification for the performance characteristics of our machines.
    1. Runoway
      Runoway 4 February 2022 15: 47
      +3
      Yes, everything in fact, the Air Force elite is dying
      1. GUARD
        GUARD 4 February 2022 15: 48
        -3
        Yah. And who decided so?
        1. Runoway
          Runoway 4 February 2022 22: 10
          -2
          The actual state of our aircraft carrier group today
    2. Boa kaa
      Boa kaa 4 February 2022 16: 04
      +2
      Quote: GUARDIAN
      as long as I can remember, they all slander our technology:
      You're right! And confirmation of this is right in the text of the article, where the author, stigmatizing KUZYU, writes:
      So, during the Syrian operation, three aircraft were lost.
      And they ate everything ... But in fact, Kuzya lost 2 aircraft. Information:
      Of the 14 aircraft lost in Syria - two transport and four attack helicopters, two Su-24M bombers, a Su-25 attack aircraft and an An-26 transport aircraft, two carrier-based fighters from the aircraft carrier "Admiral Kuznetsov" (MiG-29K and Su-33), one Su-30SM fighter (presumably belonged to the Naval Aviation of the Navy) and one electronic reconnaissance aircraft Il-20.
      tass.ru

      The author is clearly unfriendly to our aircraft carrier aviation. But, God willing, we will fix this matter ... to the joy of the author, of course!
      1. vl903
        vl903 4 February 2022 16: 23
        +6
        Quote: BoA KAA
        Quote: GUARDIAN
        as long as I can remember, they all slander our technology:
        You're right! And confirmation of this is right in the text of the article, where the author, stigmatizing KUZYU, writes:
        So, during the Syrian operation, three aircraft were lost.
        And they ate everything ... But in fact, Kuzya lost 2 aircraft. Information:
        Of the 14 aircraft lost in Syria - two transport and four attack helicopters, two Su-24M bombers, a Su-25 attack aircraft and an An-26 transport aircraft, two carrier-based fighters from the aircraft carrier "Admiral Kuznetsov" (MiG-29K and Su-33), one Su-30SM fighter (presumably belonged to the Naval Aviation of the Navy) and one electronic reconnaissance aircraft Il-20.
        tass.ru

        The author is clearly unfriendly to our aircraft carrier aviation. But, God willing, we will fix this matter ... to the joy of the author, of course!

        the author correctly says that accidents are inevitable and the fewer flights, the more accidents.
        Do you need new planes? - necessary!
        Kuznetsov intermediate model ? -Yes
        need a new Avik, at least 4 four?
        we can build
        our managers under the influence of Kudrin Chubais and the FRS-yes
        Will there be a miracle? - There are no miracles on planet Earth!
        1. boris epstein
          boris epstein 4 February 2022 17: 07
          +3
          Under Soviet rule, there were calls to sign up for the restoration of aviation and the navy. And people gave up. And before the Great Patriotic War, and during its course, it generally took on a mass character. Are you ready to share at least a small part of your aviation and navy revenues with the state? After all, now the Russian Federation is increasing payments. I am ready if there is such a call. And if there is such an appeal to the population, the country's leadership will tilt (slightly dispossess kulak) Kudrins, Nabiullins, Chubais.
          1. vl903
            vl903 4 February 2022 17: 23
            +3
            Quote: boris epstein
            Under Soviet rule, there were calls to sign up for the restoration of aviation and the navy. And people gave up. And before the Great Patriotic War, and during its course, it generally took on a mass character. Are you ready to share at least a small part of your aviation and navy revenues with the state? After all, now the Russian Federation is increasing payments. I am ready if there is such a call. And if there is such an appeal to the population, the country's leadership will tilt (slightly dispossess kulak) Kudrins, Nabiullins, Chubais.

            The problem is not the absence or presence of papers.
            the problem is the lack of normal managers or even the presence of "effective managers" in leadership positions who are engaged in sabotage in the economy.
            money is one of the tools for managing the human resource and material values ​​of the country.
            in the USSR, all people were loaded with work. there was no surplus. handing over his money to the state, a person said, I promise to cut my consumption, and the saved bread, fabric, etc. you can not give me for my work, but the gold saved as a result, for example, pay for lend-lease, etc.
            now there is unemployment in the country, production is closing, the economy is choking, at least you eat hard currency from the sale of raw materials .... how would it not be quite like the USSR?
            1. boris epstein
              boris epstein 4 February 2022 17: 27
              -6
              There are managers even now, but neither they nor the country's leadership are trying not to advertise them (an example is Belousov, who sits behind Mishustin and quietly does his job). Over the past few years, a lot of new enterprises have been built. The most recent. The Tungorsk titanium-zirconium plant has been built and launched, which will allow us to get rid of Ukraine in terms of titanium. The dependence on it for raw materials was about 82% (raw materials and semi-finished products come from Ukraine to the Crimean plant in Armyansk). All this was done quietly, quickly, and few people knew about it.
              1. vl903
                vl903 4 February 2022 17: 36
                +5
                Tungorrsky what is it?
                like 36 thousand closed.
                in what positions do we have self-sufficiency?
                We do not even manufacture processors! (((
                there are no managers - an example is the ban on calibers 366 and Lancaster in hunting weapons, the admission of Turks and Chinese to the market.
                further, the Chinese, when they build something with us, make sure that all the money remains with them - they even import Chinese workers, etc.
                markers - Medvedev, Chubais, Kudrin - while afloat, good things can not be expected.
                1. boris epstein
                  boris epstein 4 February 2022 17: 45
                  -9
                  At the moment of H, the Medvedevs, Kudrins, Chubais will go into the company of Navralny. They are still afloat, but like some kind of substance in the hole. It's not time to tease the wolves yet.
                  "We don't even produce processors! ((("
                  And what about Elbrus-8? Software packages have already been developed for it, and the task is to transfer all government bodies to it.
                  1. vl903
                    vl903 4 February 2022 17: 48
                    +4
                    Quote: boris epstein
                    At the moment of H, the Medvedevs, Kudrins, Chubais will go into the company of Navralny. They are still afloat, but like some kind of substance in the hole. It's not time to tease the wolves yet.
                    "We don't even produce processors! ((("
                    And what about Elbrus-8? Software packages have already been developed for it, and the task is to transfer all government bodies to it.

                    but Elbrus is produced where, even taking into account the fact that this is the century before last? (although well done that they are at least trying to catch up)
                    1. boris epstein
                      boris epstein 4 February 2022 17: 55
                      -5
                      Yes, in Russia, sir, in Russia. Zelenograd is being restored. Yes, so far the templates have been purchased abroad, but not everything is so gloomy. The process is underway.
                      1. vl903
                        vl903 4 February 2022 18: 16
                        +3
                        what they try - well done!
                        They wrote that they are made in Taiwan.
                        equipment is produced only in two countries and there is no chance that they will sell us, as I understand it.
                        do it yourself
                      2. boris epstein
                        boris epstein 4 February 2022 18: 35
                        -5
                        There is a saying: "Do not believe what is written." Now everyone writes who gets into their heads. There is no censorship.
                      3. ROSS_51
                        ROSS_51 5 February 2022 01: 54
                        +2
                        Quote: vl903
                        what they try - well done!
                        They wrote that they are made in Taiwan.
                        equipment is produced only in two countries and there is no chance that they will sell us, as I understand it.
                        do it yourself

                        What to do? Processor factories? Do you even understand what you're talking about? Such a plant costs more than $ 20 billion, and in our realities, throw in another 30% and the N-th number of years of construction and adjustment. And this despite the fact that we do not have the infrastructure for such production. There is simply no whole sector of industry.
                        There is no mention of payback at all.

                        Quietly and peacefully we buy in Taiwan, until the processors have flown under the sanctions, and there is no need for loud slogans.
                        For uryakolok there is a pill - "here's how to buy a used factory ..", and it's okay, the patient is under a sedative, change the sofa under him ..
                      4. vl903
                        vl903 5 February 2022 06: 04
                        -1
                        Quote: ROSS_51
                        Quote: vl903
                        what they try - well done!
                        They wrote that they are made in Taiwan.
                        equipment is produced only in two countries and there is no chance that they will sell us, as I understand it.
                        do it yourself

                        What to do? Processor factories? Do you even understand what you're talking about? Such a plant costs more than $ 20 billion, and in our realities, throw in another 30% and the N-th number of years of construction and adjustment. And this despite the fact that we do not have the infrastructure for such production. There is simply no whole sector of industry.
                        There is no mention of payback at all.

                        Quietly and peacefully we buy in Taiwan, until the processors have flown under the sanctions, and there is no need for loud slogans.
                        For uryakolok there is a pill - "here's how to buy a used factory ..", and it's okay, the patient is under a sedative, change the sofa under him ..

                        you don't understand what you are saying.
                        without processors, there are no weapons.
                        without weapons, it makes no sense to build a power out of yourself, and then you need to relax right now and spread your legs and have fun, like Germany and France and Ukraine.
                        today the usa allow us to sell prots - not tomorrow
                        and factories of obsolete processors of the current technology are also needed, and now to develop equipment for the production of factories using the next generation technology, what to catch up and overtake
                      5. ROSS_51
                        ROSS_51 5 February 2022 10: 41
                        0
                        Quote: vl903

                        you don't understand what you are saying.
                        without processors, there are no weapons.
                        without weapons, it makes no sense to build a power out of yourself, and then you need to relax right now and spread your legs and have fun, like Germany and France and Ukraine.
                        today the usa allow us to sell prots - not tomorrow
                        and factories of obsolete processors of the current technology are also needed, and now to develop equipment for the production of factories using the next generation technology, what to catch up and overtake

                        I just understand, but you seem to live on TV.
                        Even Medvedev, in his time, did not stutter about computer technology, he admitted that we were hopelessly behind. Why was he drowning there, for nanotechnology? And here, according to the result, they sat down on their ass.
                        What is there on Elbrus-28-nm technology or 32? The next generation - 3 and 2 nm - is what the world is working on now.
                        Or do you all think in Soviet terms, a five-year plan in three days?
                        This does not happen in your world or in the real world.
                      6. vl903
                        vl903 5 February 2022 11: 18
                        0
                        they don’t remember about Medvedev in decent houses)))
                        in Soviet times in three days? -;Yes. in general, the United States does not puff out its cheeks, they are developing science and technology at the same pace, otherwise they will overtake them. They pour money into it, despite the fact that more than half are unsuccessful, there is no other way
                        and not your beloved USSR, this is all that we now have, even after 30 years. or do you know some topic that we brought from scratch to a series?
                        modern weapons without prots possible?
                        without modern weapons, will we lose like Armenia?
                        Taiwan can we cut down the sale of prots after yesterday's support for Putin's policy of one China?
                        and you don’t need to talk about Medvedev - I remember a thousand miles in the blood, and an attempt to surrender Ossetia in 2008, and two injuries, and the police to the police ... only if you wanted to give an example of a traitor, a pest, like humpbacks, etc. then yes
                      7. ROSS_51
                        ROSS_51 5 February 2022 11: 32
                        -1
                        Quote: vl903
                        they don’t remember about Medvedev in decent houses)))
                        in Soviet times in three days? -;Yes. in general, the United States does not puff out its cheeks, they are developing science and technology at the same pace, otherwise they will overtake them. They pour money into it, despite the fact that more than half are unsuccessful, there is no other way
                        and not your beloved USSR, this is all that we now have, even after 30 years. or do you know some topic that we brought from scratch to a series?
                        а

                        The United States uses the technologies and developments of all developed countries of the world, and we have been cut off from these technologies, as well as from money.
                        I especially have nothing to love the USSR for - I grew up in it and remember good things only from childhood.
                        or do you know some topic that we brought from scratch to a series?

                        You answered yourself .. What processors in general?
                        Look, it's hard for me to talk to you. My opinion of the citizens of my country has dropped a lot over the past couple of years. Half of the country is covid dissidents, including close people, some kind of conspiracy theorists have been constantly coming across lately, now you are still with your technologies to catch up and overtake. The complete absence of critical thinking, as if everyone’s brains were turned into a casserole.
                        Do not. I already have the feeling that I live in the sixth ward.
                        All the best.
                      8. vl903
                        vl903 5 February 2022 12: 01
                        -1
                        Sorry if I got negative.
                        So I agree with your assessment of the situation.
                        But the sailors don't give up!!!! ))))
                        You have to do something, make mistakes, but do it)))
                        in the same fusion, we seem to be not far behind yet)))
                        and we will always have time to surrender and repeat the fate of the North American Indians)))
                        sorry again
                      9. V means B
                        V means B 4 February 2022 18: 33
                        +3
                        To live ...
                      10. N3onMiami
                        N3onMiami 5 February 2022 11: 16
                        0
                        I'll fix it. In the Russian Federation, the maximum is Elbrus-2SM and Elbrus-4C (90 nm and 65 nm, respectively). The last century with clock frequencies of 300 MHz and 800 MHz. Better than nothing, of course.
                        Everything else is Taiwan.
                      11. boris epstein
                        boris epstein 6 February 2022 16: 32
                        0
                        Elbrus-8S and Elbrus-8SV are 8-core processors with the Elbrus architecture for personal computers and servers. Developed and produced by the Russian company MCST. The first prototypes of Elbrus-8S (1891VM10Ya) were released in 2014, and in 2016 mass production of the processor began.
                        Industrial computers AdvantiX "Brusnika" of rack-mount design use domestic developments - Russian processors Elbrus-4S (1891VM8Ya) and Elbrus-8S1 (1891VM028), system logic KPI 1991VG1Ya or KPI-2 1991VG2Ya, respectively, manufactured by MCST, as well as advanced design solutions, for example, a passive cooling system, specialized cases designed and manufactured in Russia.
                        The Brusnika VKP-B2/EL4S computer was created on the basis of the domestic Elbrus-4S processor and is the first fanless solution in a 2U case for mounting in a 19-inch rack, which allows the device to be used 24/7 in XNUMX/XNUMX mode and in unattended areas.
                        Brusnika fan-cooled systems are implemented in a compact and protected from many negative impacts design for installation in a 19″ rack, which was developed by Advantix. This case model provides:
                        • flexible choice of device configuration;
                        • reliable operation in difficult production conditions;
                        • convenient maintenance — fans can be easily replaced from the front panel;
                        • additional security features, including front panel protection with a lockable door.
                        In addition, Advantix's production uses special technological methods for assembling and testing devices, which ensure a high level of reliability and fault tolerance of equipment.
                        Computing equipment based on the Elbrus processor is supplied with the Elbrus OS, support for free software is also guaranteed - Astra Linux Special Edition OS, and Neutrino-E ZOSRV is used to work with real-time control systems. Additionally, Brusnika computers work with Windows XP, Windows 7 in binary translation mode.
                        Industrial computing systems "Brusnika" with the CPU "Elbrus" are designed specifically for reliable operation in a critical information infrastructure (CII). AdvantiX 2U computers with a 4-core Elbrus-4C processor or the high-performance AdvantiX VKP-V2/EL8S system with an 8-core Elbrus-8C1 processor are advanced domestic computers that are suitable for implementing import substitution programs in various industries.
                  2. V means B
                    V means B 4 February 2022 18: 32
                    +2
                    But not this, I still can’t move away from Astra Linux.))
                  3. shahor
                    shahor 4 February 2022 19: 20
                    +4
                    Quote: Boris Epstein
                    And what about Elbrus-8?

                    Elbrus-8 - like the rest of the processors of this line - is made in Taiwan. We can't, there is no technology.
              2. vl903
                vl903 4 February 2022 17: 52
                -1
                Quote: boris epstein
                There are managers even now, but neither they nor the country's leadership are trying not to advertise them (an example is Belousov, who sits behind Mishustin and quietly does his job). Over the past few years, a lot of new enterprises have been built. The most recent. The Tungorsk titanium-zirconium plant has been built and launched, which will allow us to get rid of Ukraine in terms of titanium. The dependence on it for raw materials was about 82% (raw materials and semi-finished products come from Ukraine to the Crimean plant in Armyansk). All this was done quietly, quickly, and few people knew about it.

                By the way, Mishustin still looks even better than Shoigu
                1. boris epstein
                  boris epstein 4 February 2022 17: 58
                  -5
                  They cannot be compared, they are different spheres. Shoigu looks quite normal in his sphere. The army has changed compared to 2008.
              3. alexey sidykin
                alexey sidykin 4 February 2022 18: 00
                -3
                Quote: boris epstein
                There are managers even now, but neither they nor the country's leadership are trying not to advertise them (an example is Belousov, who sits behind Mishustin and quietly does his job). Over the past few years, a lot of new enterprises have been built. The most recent. The Tungorsk titanium-zirconium plant has been built and launched, which will allow us to get rid of Ukraine in terms of titanium. The dependence on it for raw materials was about 82% (raw materials and semi-finished products come from Ukraine to the Crimean plant in Armyansk). All this was done quietly, quickly, and few people knew about it.

                That is why they are silent that green activists immediately swoop in with cries of "what about the environment" ... How many enterprises have not opened yet.
                1. boris epstein
                  boris epstein 4 February 2022 18: 03
                  -2
                  "... green activists immediately swoop in with cries of "what about the ecology"..."
                  That's exactly right. The guys are on the content of the English queen. For them, the rise of Russian industry is a sharp knife to the throat.
                2. vl903
                  vl903 4 February 2022 19: 15
                  +2
                  Quote: Alexey Sedykin
                  Quote: boris epstein
                  There are managers even now, but neither they nor the country's leadership are trying not to advertise them (an example is Belousov, who sits behind Mishustin and quietly does his job). Over the past few years, a lot of new enterprises have been built. The most recent. The Tungorsk titanium-zirconium plant has been built and launched, which will allow us to get rid of Ukraine in terms of titanium. The dependence on it for raw materials was about 82% (raw materials and semi-finished products come from Ukraine to the Crimean plant in Armyansk). All this was done quietly, quickly, and few people knew about it.

                  That is why they are silent that green activists immediately swoop in with cries of "what about the environment" ... How many enterprises have not opened yet.

                  nonsense.
                  how many did not open with tens of thousands closed?
                  if the environment is bad, you just need to clean up and not poison nature and people.
                  listening to English agents of influence is sabotage!
                  to share where someone is agents or their people - this is the work of the FSB.
                  if there are real successes, why keep silent then? The USSR was not silent, the USA is not silent, no one is silent if there are successes
                  1. alexey sidykin
                    alexey sidykin 4 February 2022 19: 34
                    -4
                    Quote: vl903
                    Quote: Alexey Sedykin
                    Quote: boris epstein
                    There are managers even now, but neither they nor the country's leadership are trying not to advertise them (an example is Belousov, who sits behind Mishustin and quietly does his job). Over the past few years, a lot of new enterprises have been built. The most recent. The Tungorsk titanium-zirconium plant has been built and launched, which will allow us to get rid of Ukraine in terms of titanium. The dependence on it for raw materials was about 82% (raw materials and semi-finished products come from Ukraine to the Crimean plant in Armyansk). All this was done quietly, quickly, and few people knew about it.

                    That is why they are silent that green activists immediately swoop in with cries of "what about the environment" ... How many enterprises have not opened yet.

                    nonsense.
                    how many did not open with tens of thousands closed?
                    if the environment is bad, you just need to clean up and not poison nature and people.
                    listening to English agents of influence is sabotage!
                    to share where someone is agents or their people - this is the work of the FSB.
                    if there are real successes, why keep silent then? The USSR was not silent, the USA is not silent, no one is silent if there are successes

                    Firstly, among these closed, many old enterprises have long become not the outskirts of cities, but within the city, not a single sane plant will keep the second one and there is nothing to brag about, because as soon as they decide to build a new plant, activists immediately swoop in screaming for no reason, this will ruin the environment and the environment, and even the local population, are being incited to protest as a result of neither enterprises, nor production, nor jobs for the locals ...
                    1. vl903
                      vl903 4 February 2022 20: 09
                      +1
                      Quote: Alexey Sedykin
                      Quote: vl903
                      Quote: Alexey Sedykin
                      Quote: boris epstein
                      There are managers even now, but neither they nor the country's leadership are trying not to advertise them (an example is Belousov, who sits behind Mishustin and quietly does his job). Over the past few years, a lot of new enterprises have been built. The most recent. The Tungorsk titanium-zirconium plant has been built and launched, which will allow us to get rid of Ukraine in terms of titanium. The dependence on it for raw materials was about 82% (raw materials and semi-finished products come from Ukraine to the Crimean plant in Armyansk). All this was done quietly, quickly, and few people knew about it.

                      That is why they are silent that green activists immediately swoop in with cries of "what about the environment" ... How many enterprises have not opened yet.

                      nonsense.
                      how many did not open with tens of thousands closed?
                      if the environment is bad, you just need to clean up and not poison nature and people.
                      listening to English agents of influence is sabotage!
                      to share where someone is agents or their people - this is the work of the FSB.
                      if there are real successes, why keep silent then? The USSR was not silent, the USA is not silent, no one is silent if there are successes

                      Firstly, among these closed, many old enterprises have long become not the outskirts of cities, but within the city, not a single sane plant will keep the second one and there is nothing to brag about, because as soon as they decide to build a new plant, activists immediately swoop in screaming for no reason, this will ruin the environment and the environment, and even the local population, are being incited to protest as a result of neither enterprises, nor production, nor jobs for the locals ...

                      well that's not even funny anymore
                      (I still put a plus, I always put the interlocutor)
                      1. alexey sidykin
                        alexey sidykin 5 February 2022 09: 49
                        -1
                        Quote: vl903
                        Quote: Alexey Sedykin
                        Quote: vl903
                        Quote: Alexey Sedykin
                        Quote: boris epstein
                        There are managers even now, but neither they nor the country's leadership are trying not to advertise them (an example is Belousov, who sits behind Mishustin and quietly does his job). Over the past few years, a lot of new enterprises have been built. The most recent. The Tungorsk titanium-zirconium plant has been built and launched, which will allow us to get rid of Ukraine in terms of titanium. The dependence on it for raw materials was about 82% (raw materials and semi-finished products come from Ukraine to the Crimean plant in Armyansk). All this was done quietly, quickly, and few people knew about it.

                        That is why they are silent that green activists immediately swoop in with cries of "what about the environment" ... How many enterprises have not opened yet.

                        nonsense.
                        how many did not open with tens of thousands closed?
                        if the environment is bad, you just need to clean up and not poison nature and people.
                        listening to English agents of influence is sabotage!
                        to share where someone is agents or their people - this is the work of the FSB.
                        if there are real successes, why keep silent then? The USSR was not silent, the USA is not silent, no one is silent if there are successes

                        Firstly, among these closed, many old enterprises have long become not the outskirts of cities, but within the city, not a single sane plant will keep the second one and there is nothing to brag about, because as soon as they decide to build a new plant, activists immediately swoop in screaming for no reason, this will ruin the environment and the environment, and even the local population, are being incited to protest as a result of neither enterprises, nor production, nor jobs for the locals ...

                        well that's not even funny anymore
                        (I still put a plus, I always put the interlocutor)

                        I'm your plus what is what is not. I do not pay attention to them ... But in essence, as I understand it, there is nothing to object to?
          2. d1975
            d1975 4 February 2022 17: 34
            +4
            I’m just for it, recently I took my daughter to see the monument, the tank seems to be IS -3. I read a lot and found out that it turns out that two residents of the Bely farmstead chipped in on the Soviet Kuban tank column. 1944 30000 rubles.
            1. d1975
              d1975 4 February 2022 17: 35
              +2
              Yes, I'm not rich, well, I can chip in for what the country needs.
              1. boris epstein
                boris epstein 4 February 2022 17: 49
                -3
                There are many of us, millions.
              2. vl903
                vl903 4 February 2022 17: 54
                +1
                in RI there were fees for the fleet
              3. ROSS_51
                ROSS_51 5 February 2022 02: 05
                +1
                Quote: d1975
                Yes, I'm not rich, well, I can chip in for what the country needs.

                Yes, everything is fine, from our wallets they have already chipped in for us, so we are not rich ..))
            2. boris epstein
              boris epstein 4 February 2022 17: 37
              +2
              There was a tank column, a Soviet collective farmer, some people bought fighter jets for Soviet aces with their own money, even the Russian Orthodox Church donated money for the defense industry.
              1. d1975
                d1975 4 February 2022 21: 24
                +1
                I’m not quite friends with computers, the photo is in the gallery, it’s written on the commemorative plaque, the Soviet Kuban tank column.
                1. boris epstein
                  boris epstein 5 February 2022 17: 03
                  0
                  There was also the Soviet Kuban, one did not interfere with the other, there was also a photograph of the Soviet collective farmer column.
          3. GUARD
            GUARD 4 February 2022 17: 50
            +1
            I'm ready. I remember five, six years ago, when the topic of aircraft carriers began to rise, I suggested on the site, as my own opinion, to chip in on the people's aircraft carrier. And I still think so.
          4. vl903
            vl903 4 February 2022 17: 54
            -3
            in RI there were fees for the fleet.
            1. boris epstein
              boris epstein 4 February 2022 18: 28
              +3
              Were. But after Tsushima, the fleet was never restored. The state of the industry did not allow. A dreadnought, superdreadnought or dreadnought-type battle cruiser was built in England, the USA, France for 1,5 years, in Russia - 5 years. Laid down in 1909, commissioned in November-December 1914. During this time, he managed to become obsolete. 7 battleships of the Sevastopol and Empress Maria types were built. England during this time built 45, France-11, USA-17, Germany-22. The main caliber on Russian dreadnoughts was 305 mm, on British and American ones it increased to 381-406 mm, displacement and armor increased.
              1. vl903
                vl903 4 February 2022 18: 46
                +2
                Quote: boris epstein
                Were. But after Tsushima, the fleet was never restored. The state of the industry did not allow. A dreadnought, superdreadnought or dreadnought-type battle cruiser was built in England, the USA, France for 1,5 years, in Russia - 5 years. Laid down in 1909, commissioned in November-December 1914. During this time, he managed to become obsolete. 7 battleships of the Sevastopol and Empress Maria types were built. England during this time built 45, France-11, USA-17, Germany-22. The main caliber on Russian dreadnoughts was 305 mm, on British and American ones it increased to 381-406 mm, displacement and armor increased.

                I also think that fees are populism.
                managers are needed to properly set up the economy and not at the behest of the Fed.
                I have a feeling that RI was much more self-sufficient than the Russian Federation now - the same battleships slowly but could build
                1. boris epstein
                  boris epstein 5 February 2022 16: 48
                  +1
                  Fees are not populism. Both under the tsar and in the USSR, a lot was collected. But in the USSR, everything went into business (large-caliber thieves quickly began to warm the bunks: an example is Tupolev), under the tsar, Nikolai Nikolayevich, the elder, kept Matilda the ballerina with the collected money for the fleet. That is why ships were built three times longer than abroad.
        2. GUARD
          GUARD 4 February 2022 17: 46
          0
          Of course, "the author is right" (???) Oh, right? So you fell for the manipulation of paddling pools: there are fewer flights_ well, yes, less, an air wing, because there are fewer. And during the operation in the Middle-earth, I remember, these "authors" were surprised how it was done from the Kuznetsov, I quote: "an incredible number of sorties." And so, yes, colleague, we need aircraft carriers, I would say, not four, but six_ at least_ four full-fledged aircraft carriers and two TAVKR. But in general I agree. I once used to say, they say, there is no need to chase four-medium ships, but, like the Chinese, do what we can now. To hone the skills of shipbuilders, it would be better to assemble at least one of the Ulyanovsk type.
          1. vl903
            vl903 4 February 2022 18: 48
            +1
            Quote: GUARDIAN
            Of course, "the author is right" (???) Oh, right? So you fell for the manipulation of paddling pools: there are fewer flights_ well, yes, less, an air wing, because there are fewer. And during the operation in the Middle-earth, I remember, these "authors" were surprised how it was done from the Kuznetsov, I quote: "an incredible number of sorties." And so, yes, colleague, we need aircraft carriers, I would say, not four, but six_ at least_ four full-fledged aircraft carriers and two TAVKR. But in general I agree. I once used to say, they say, there is no need to chase four-medium ships, but, like the Chinese, do what we can now. To hone the skills of shipbuilders, it would be better to assemble at least one of the Ulyanovsk type.

            yes, only the walking one can master the road
    3. Andrei from Chelyabinsk
      Andrei from Chelyabinsk 4 February 2022 17: 07
      +8
      Quote: GUARDIAN
      How they bake for our "Kuzya"! So_ fear and respect

      Not sure. But they want us to bury the aircraft carrier direction - definitely
      1. GUARD
        GUARD 4 February 2022 17: 51
        0
        Since they want to bury, with which they agree, they are afraid.
        1. Andrei from Chelyabinsk
          Andrei from Chelyabinsk 4 February 2022 18: 08
          +8
          Quote: GUARDIAN
          Since they want to bury, with which they agree, they are afraid.

          I think they are not afraid of Kuznetsov, as such, but of the fact that we will now retain our carrier-based aircraft, gain experience, and start building AB
          1. V means B
            V means B 4 February 2022 18: 34
            +2
            Shall we start? No true.
          2. BABAY22
            BABAY22 4 February 2022 20: 56
            +9
            Try to build an aircraft carrier, load 100 Su-57Ks on it and send it to the ocean by 2040?
            I'm afraid this will no longer be relevant.
            By that time, unmanned vehicles will already be refueling on the battlefield. From here we have 2 directions:
            1. Develop communication systems in order to control the drone on the battlefield in real time, in the future - at any point in the world.
            2. Develop AI. Work on the principle of released and forgotten. He will do everything according to the program and return to base.
            But simply reanimating projects 1160, 1153 no longer makes any sense, the train has long since left.
            1. d1975
              d1975 4 February 2022 21: 26
              +1
              First you need to restore Russia. We have an electronic industry in the form in which it is needed. We really back off. And it's time to introduce mandatory qualifications for specialists to leave the country.
              1. ROSS_51
                ROSS_51 5 February 2022 02: 09
                -3
                Quote: d1975
                First you need to restore Russia. We have an electronic industry in the form in which it is needed. We really back off. And it's time to introduce mandatory qualifications for specialists to leave the country.

                Wow .. What is this qualification? And dissenters in concentration camps?
                1. d1975
                  d1975 5 February 2022 07: 34
                  +1
                  Do you think that it is normal when, having received a profession, they are dumped from the country. And also debts to the Motherland?
                  1. ROSS_51
                    ROSS_51 5 February 2022 10: 33
                    -1
                    Quote: d1975
                    Do you think that it is normal when, having received a profession, they are dumped from the country. And also debts to the Motherland?

                    You may have gotten a job. and mostly pay for education. I think it's normal that a person lives where he feels better - that's how the whole world lives. And we're not in a concentration camp..yet. But we are moving towards your dream slowly but surely.
                  2. V means B
                    V means B 5 February 2022 11: 11
                    -1
                    I paid for my education, deducting taxes as well. So what do I owe to whom?))
  6. 1Alexey
    1Alexey 4 February 2022 15: 50
    +3
    As indicated, as a cruiser "Admiral Kuznetsov" carries 12 attack missiles P-700 "Granit" with a range of 500 km

    These missiles generally have a range of 700 km!
    1. Flooding
      Flooding 4 February 2022 15: 59
      +3
      Quote: 1Alexey
      These missiles generally have a range of 700 km!

      there is no definitive information on this
      data varies from 500 to 625 km
      and allegedly up to 700 km along the coast
      1. 1Alexey
        1Alexey 4 February 2022 16: 14
        +1
        Quote: Flood
        Quote: 1Alexey
        These missiles generally have a range of 700 km!

        there is no definitive information on this
        data varies from 500 to 625 km
        and allegedly up to 700 km along the coast

        Range:
        from 500 to 625 km - along a combined trajectory;
        from 145 to 200 km - along a low-altitude trajectory;
        700 km - along a high-altitude trajectory.

        The missile is anti-ship, and although relatively recently it was tested on a ground target, it was created only as an anti-ship.
    2. huntsman650
      huntsman650 4 February 2022 16: 18
      +4
      They have not been there for a long time))) and will not be. In fact, there are launchers. And they are listed)
  7. yuriy55
    yuriy55 4 February 2022 15: 51
    0
    “Air group with dubious usefulness”: in the French press about the obsolescence of carrier-based aircraft of the Russian Navy

    You determine your usefulness, the colonialists are worthless ... Irreplaceable ...
    There is a historical anecdote on this topic. When Field Marshal Keitel was led to sign the surrender in Karlshorst, he suddenly saw at the table, next to Zhukov and Eisenhower, the French General de Latre de Tassigny. They say that Keitel's pince-nez fell from his nose, and he exclaimed, looking at the Frenchman: "How, you also defeated us ?!" This, of course, is a historical anecdote, but it says something.
  8. svoroponov
    svoroponov 4 February 2022 15: 54
    +4
    All these articles about “outdated” our technology are written in order to form an image of inferiority in us. So take it easy. You can answer: And the French, Wagner, are landing from Mali, they have not even coped with the blacks, however!
  9. tralflot1832
    tralflot1832 4 February 2022 15: 56
    +3
    Yes, we already know that we need a new deck and an AWACS aircraft, too, as always, we need a magic kick. And what are these hints about the construction of aircraft carriers by us in China, the French offer cheaper in San Nazaire?
    1. Alexey RA
      Alexey RA 4 February 2022 20: 08
      +2
      Quote: tralflot1832
      And what are these hints about the construction of aircraft carriers by us in China, the French offer cheaper in San Nazaire?

  10. 1Alexey
    1Alexey 4 February 2022 15: 58
    +6
    As the author writes, the Russian fleet can only jealously watch the replenishment of the Chinese Navy with new aircraft carriers.

    If we really needed aircraft carriers, we would have built them long ago, but at present the submarine fleet and hypersonic missiles are much more efficient than aircraft carriers, so I think we have set our priorities correctly.
    1. V means B
      V means B 4 February 2022 18: 37
      -1
      Do we need destroyers? If so, why hasn't it been built for a long time?
      1. d1975
        d1975 5 February 2022 12: 46
        -1
        We Russia need them, but you don't need them. You will be the first to fall over the hill.
    2. Alexey RA
      Alexey RA 4 February 2022 20: 12
      0
      Quote: 1Alexey
      If we really needed aircraft carriers, we would have built them long ago, but at present the submarine fleet and hypersonic missiles are much more effective than aircraft carriers

      And that is why we have fewer ICAPLs under construction than SSBNs? And are nuclear submarines being repaired written off without leaving the repair?
      We build what the industry can and wants. Or maybe she is only SSBNs and RTOs. Even with PLO corvettes, problems are already starting.
  11. Normann
    Normann 4 February 2022 16: 00
    +4
    Comparing TARKR and Aircraft Carrier is at least strange.
    1. mole
      mole 4 February 2022 16: 21
      +2
      But the article and the fee!
    2. 1Alexey
      1Alexey 4 February 2022 16: 32
      +3
      Quote: Normann
      Comparing TARKR and Aircraft Carrier is at least strange.

      I agree! It's like comparing a front-line bomber with a strategic one.

      Their goals were different from the beginning. The Americans created aircraft carriers as a strike weapon against enemy ships and ground targets. Our TARKs were created primarily as a means of protecting a group of ships from enemy aircraft.

      And this fact was repeatedly confirmed by loud political government statements in the Soviet era, which said that the USSR, unlike the United States, does not build aircraft carriers, since it does not have imperial goals.
      1. svp67
        svp67 4 February 2022 16: 54
        +2
        Quote: 1Alexey
        Our TARKs were created primarily as a means of protecting a group of ships from enemy aircraft.

        Alas, this was the SECOND task for these ships. The most important thing is that their main weapons are not planes, but missiles ... which, in principle, is now very controversial. But the USSR went its own way
  12. japan-k
    japan-k 4 February 2022 16: 09
    -4
    The Amerekos themselves have already begun to admit that aircraft carriers, at the moment, are a huge coffin for sailors worth tens of billions of dollars. This is not counting the air wing. And never in their lives will they even think of risking them, let alone letting them into battle. Yes, you can say so against third world countries. Even against North Korea, they got scared. As an accompanying force, yes, it will help, as the main one, alas, time has passed. It's a very good, huge target.
    And now the tasks of the Russian Federation are completely different, we are not going to conquer something on other continents. As of right now, we don't really need them.
  13. TatarinSSSR
    TatarinSSSR 4 February 2022 16: 28
    +7
    Even if China agrees to build a couple of modern aircraft carriers for us and does not take into account their cost and the cost of maintenance - what's the point? They don't walk by themselves. AUG consists of an aircraft carrier and an escort order. These are air defense-missile defense and anti-aircraft defense ships of the far sea zone. We have 7 of them for all fleets and all from the USSR. Most of it hasn't even been upgraded. Will the Chinese build cruisers and destroyers for us? These are nuclear submarines protecting an aircraft carrier group under water. And apparently the MO is rowing money with bulldozers?
  14. Charik
    Charik 4 February 2022 16: 42
    -2
    unable to take to the air with a large mass of equipment, you mean?
    1. Tomcat_Tomcat
      Tomcat_Tomcat 4 February 2022 20: 17
      +3
      Quote: Charik
      unable to take to the air with a large mass of equipment, you mean?

      "Kuznetsov" does not have a catapult, only a springboard, which limits the takeoff weight of the aircraft when starting from positions No. 1 and No. 2 (closest to the springboard, run length 90 meters).
      Su-33s can take off with a maximum takeoff weight only from position 3 (running distance 180 meters). The first and second starting positions provide for takeoff only at normal takeoff weight (for the Su-33 - 28 tons, and the maximum for it is 33 tons).

      Those. from launch positions No. 1 and No. 2, the Su-33 can take off with a normal air-to-air missile load (4-6 R-27, 4 R-73), but to a much smaller radius. Heavier payloads and fully refueled allow takeoff only from far position #3
      1. Charik
        Charik 4 February 2022 21: 23
        -1
        and this is what the person with the F14 avatar tells me, why? Even without you I know that they take off from an avik with a smaller number of weapons than from the ground, since Kuznetsov does not work, then the 33rd will take off from the ground, unless they will be able to take off with fully suspended suspensions with V-V missiles?
    2. Alexey RA
      Alexey RA 4 February 2022 20: 32
      +2
      Quote: Charik
      unable to take to the air with a large mass of equipment, you mean?

      This article is about taking off from the deck. More precisely, from the trampoline.
      The "zero" Kuznetsov could lift the Su-33 into the air with a maximum takeoff weight from a single starting position - No. 3 (in the middle of the corner deck, next to the fourth arrester cable). But this required full speed. And for him - an unworn power plant. For AB during takeoff of aircraft, each node is important, especially during springboard takeoff (however, during catapulny too).
      After the mess of the "saints of the 90s", Kuznetsov could no longer develop full speed - the boilers were "killed" by the lack of spare parts (primarily pipes, due to the lack of which almost all EM pr. 956 also died), normal maintenance and normally prepared l / s. The well-known Vice Admiral Radzevsky described the state of Kuznetsov best of all:
      We do not have a formidable aircraft carrier, we have a springboard for flying achievements, from time to time giving the course and occasionally providing flights of naval aviation with even more rarely working radio equipment.

      We do not have an aircraft carrier, we have a barge with individual randomly preserved radio-electronic elements that will require tens of millions and many months to recover, and we represent the division commander to the admiral, and the commander of the ship breaks into the General Staff Academy instead of procuring rusks.

      And this half-dead power plant limited the take-off weight of aircraft even for position No. 3.
      It was possible, of course, to pervert with refueling strike vehicles from the same Su-33 with UPAZ - but the tankers had the same take-off weight restrictions.
      1. Charik
        Charik 4 February 2022 21: 27
        0
        Kuznetsov is not on the move, does the author know this? So, discuss taking off 33x from him with full BC or less, stupidly, there is nowhere to take off except from the ground
  15. svp67
    svp67 4 February 2022 16: 51
    -2
    Can Russia turn to China for help in modernizing its fleet?
    Guys, but you could be in the place of China .... You yourself "sawed off the branch" ...
  16. Wedmak
    Wedmak 4 February 2022 16: 54
    -3
    Ordering from China is not a problem at all. Moreover, our own shipyards are fully loaded. And they already ordered .. not an aircraft carrier, of course, 2 hulls of floating nuclear power plants:
    https://topwar.ru/187114-kitajskaja-verf-vyigrala-konkurs-na-postrojku-dvuh-pervyh-korpusov-dlja-rossijskih-plavuchih-ajes.html
    In fact, we don’t need Avik, but oh, how much we would need a dozen new BDKs.
    1. svp67
      svp67 4 February 2022 16: 59
      -4
      Quote: Wedmak
      Ordering from China is not a problem at all.

      What for? China is building ships according to OUR old projects. If aircraft carriers are being built now, then only according to new projects, taking into account the rapid development of unmanned aircraft.
      The most interesting thing is what is being built now in Kerch, in the amount of two buildings. These two UDCs may well play the role of light aircraft carriers
      1. Wedmak
        Wedmak 4 February 2022 20: 04
        +1
        I already wrote about these two UDCs under another article, where they said from the USA that we cannot build aviks. But still, UDC is not an aircraft carrier. There will be no shock UDC, it is a transport with the ability to carry several helicopters, i.e. support ship.
      2. Alexey RA
        Alexey RA 4 February 2022 20: 39
        +1
        Quote: svp67
        What for? China is building ships according to OUR old projects.

        No, they have already passed the copying stage 1143.6 on the Shandong. Now China has moved to the next stage - the classic catapult AB.
        1. svp67
          svp67 4 February 2022 22: 15
          +1
          Quote: Alexey RA
          Now China has moved to the next stage - the classic catapult AB.

          Here's how he will overcome it, then we'll see, but for now there's nothing to talk about. We created a catapult for the "Ulyanovsk" and all stages of its ground test were passed
          1. Alexey RA
            Alexey RA 5 February 2022 14: 23
            +1
            Quote: svp67
            We created a catapult for the "Ulyanovsk" and all stages of its ground test were passed

            EMNIP, we made a catapult back in the late 70s - for the initial draft of the fifth building of project 1143. The proletarian plant even tested it.
          2. Avior
            Avior 6 February 2022 19: 47
            -1
            Were not. The plane was never launched from a catapult even during tests
            1. svp67
              svp67 7 February 2022 07: 31
              0
              Quote: Avior
              Were not. The plane was never launched from a catapult even during tests

              Nevertheless, in 1982, a steam catapult was built on the Nitka simulator in the Crimea and its full functionality was achieved. The second did not have time to complete ... (((
              1. Avior
                Avior 7 February 2022 07: 54
                -1
                It was intended for acceleration of loading bogies during testing of some elements of arresters and was of a technical nature.
                Planes were not launched from it.
    2. V means B
      V means B 4 February 2022 18: 39
      +1
      They would have given for free and would have asked for more.
  17. Avior
    Avior 4 February 2022 17: 02
    +4
    "Admiral Kuznetsov" became the only aircraft carrier that Russia inherited from an extensive modernization program of the Soviet fleet.

    Of the 7 Soviet aircraft carriers of project 1143, after the collapse of the Union in Russia, 6 were merged.
    2 refused to finish building, 1 was sold to India, 3 to China for a penny.
    Kuznetsov - aka Riga, aka Leonid Brezhnev, aka Tbilisi, history can be studied - rather pretends to exist.
    There was nothing left of the Soviet program of aircraft carriers: ((
    “this is 3 per day, which is 10-15 times less than that of a modern aircraft carrier”

    A modern Nimitz-class aircraft carrier is capable of at least about 250 sorties per day for at least several days, which is practically confirmed.
    So it’s more correct to say not 15 times, 80 times more. :((
    hi
    1. 1Alexey
      1Alexey 4 February 2022 17: 42
      -6
      Quote: Avior
      “this is 3 per day, which is 10-15 times less than that of a modern aircraft carrier”

      A modern Nimitz-class aircraft carrier is capable of at least about 250 sorties per day for at least several days, which is practically confirmed.
      So it’s more correct to say not 15 times, 80 times more. :((

      The pilots flew as many times as needed to solve the tasks assigned to them !!!
      This does not mean that our TARC did not allow more sorties per day! Therefore, such comparisons made on the basis of data on specific battles are absolutely not appropriate.

      If a fighter during a battle for, for example, shot one automatic horn for, for example, 2 hours, this does not mean that a Kalashnikov assault rifle does not allow shooting more than one horn in 2 hours.

      Moreover, at that time, the MIG-29KR (MIG-29K is the marking of the export version) had not yet completed state tests and continued to pass them in real combat conditions (hence, additional time could be required to study the operation of their nodes).
    2. poquello
      poquello 4 February 2022 23: 42
      -2
      Quote: Avior
      A modern Nimitz-class aircraft carrier is capable of at least about 250 sorties per day for at least several days, which is practically confirmed.
      So it would be more correct to say not 15 times, but 80 times more.

      ))))))))))))))) You listen to you because they defeated the terrorists in Syria,
      Quote: Avior
      250 departures per day for at least several days, which is practically confirmed

      uh, but where would I read about it, otherwise I can’t even cope with arithmetic - 40 planes for 250 times, this is more than 6 times a day, and even not ours :( )
      1. Avior
        Avior 5 February 2022 11: 57
        0
        Why 40 something?
        Again, the number of aircraft and pilots is not the same ....
        1. poquello
          poquello 5 February 2022 12: 03
          -2
          Quote: Avior
          Why 40 something?
          Again, the number of aircraft and pilots is not the same ....

          don't jump off
          1. Avior
            Avior 5 February 2022 13: 43
            0
            Who is to blame for the fact that in one simple question they were able to distort a couple of times. And you can read this in the Nimitz test report, it is on the net.
            I'll get to the computer, I'll give you a chart of departures.
    3. Lonely loner
      Lonely loner 5 February 2022 06: 09
      0
      No more than 200 per day.
    4. nks
      nks 6 February 2022 17: 11
      0
      Quote: Avior
      A modern Nimitz-class aircraft carrier is capable of at least about 250 sorties per day for at least several days, which is practically confirmed.

      So it’s more correct to say not 15 times, 80 times more. :((

      Not able to. Even as a maximum. Nimitz is designed for a maximum intensity of 100-120 sorties per day, in some cases up to 150. The nominal record was shown in exercises in 19 * sorties, but there is little practical value in this - it is more an indicator of catapults and deck crew. As for the quote from the article, then, in addition to the fact that it is necessary to make adjustments for size, as it is easy to see, we are talking about average indicators - the Nimes are just on average on campaigns and make 30-40 sorties a day.
      1. Avior
        Avior 6 February 2022 20: 32
        0
        975 departures from Nimitz in 4 days, about 250 per day on average, this is the result of checking the capabilities of Nimitz.
        They write that the weakest link is deck teams.
        Of course, if there is no need, then so many do not fly. But this is an indicator of the capabilities of the ship.
        1. nks
          nks 6 February 2022 21: 29
          0
          Source and at least some context? This picture does not even say that this is (some kind of) aircraft carrier.
          PS: Well, in any case, there is no minimum.
          1. Avior
            Avior 6 February 2022 21: 35
            -1

            Nimitz tests, 1997
            Page 4.
            PS: Well, in any case, there is no minimum.

            I don't understand what the minimum is. This is a demonstration of Nimitz's capabilities.
            1. nks
              nks 6 February 2022 21: 57
              0
              Quote: Avior
              I don't understand what the minimum is.

              Quote: Avior
              at least about 250

              Your own quote. The picture clearly says that this is a surge (those are the maximum) Thanks for the proof - we really managed to achieve a record >200. (I’ll read it later. Yes, and these are still not tests, but teachings
              1. Avior
                Avior 6 February 2022 22: 12
                -1
                at least about 250

                meaning that it was in a peaceful environment while respecting the rules and this is an average value. That is, if there is an urgent need for combat, they can do so much more.
                The picture clearly says it's a splash

                975 departures there in 4 days.
                There were 4 sorties in 279 days
  18. Kaw
    Kaw 4 February 2022 17: 16
    0
    Russia doesn't have the economy to build aircraft carriers. And an attempt to build aircraft carriers with a weak economy will destroy the state completely. The USSR collapsed just when it seriously took up the construction of aircraft carriers and space shuttles.
    It was not necessary to start with aircraft carriers IMHO.
    1. vl903
      vl903 4 February 2022 17: 39
      -3
      Quote: Kaw
      Russia doesn't have the economy to build aircraft carriers. And an attempt to build aircraft carriers with a weak economy will destroy the state completely. The USSR collapsed just when it seriously took up the construction of aircraft carriers and space shuttles.
      It was not necessary to start with aircraft carriers IMHO.

      The Soviet Union was not destroyed by Aviki, but by planned subversive work by Andropov
  19. Kornily
    Kornily 4 February 2022 17: 20
    +2
    The opinion of France, whose army constantly causes ridicule, is of no interest to anyone!
  20. alexey sidykin
    alexey sidykin 4 February 2022 17: 38
    -4
    What for us these aircraft carriers ... already tired of reading wai-wai, Russia has no aircraft carriers. No need, here it is. It is especially funny to read this, given that the Frogs themselves have only one aircraft carrier, and it seems to be inferior in size to the Kuznetsov. They wanted to lay one more but felt that it would be too expensive and refused.
  21. Bez 310
    Bez 310 4 February 2022 17: 53
    +4
    What an interesting definition - "air group of dubious usefulness."
    We should have recognized ourselves a long time ago - our "aircraft carrier" will never leave the factory, the current generation of pilots will not fly from the deck, our carrier-based pilots are only helicopter pilots. Enough already, "died, so died ...".
    No one is going to build any aircraft carriers in the near future, it's time to end the experiment with carrier-based fighters. It is necessary to develop a theory of the use of our Navy without looking back at the pile of iron that is in the factory, and out of habit is called an aircraft carrier. The sooner we all recognize this, the better.
    1. Andrei from Chelyabinsk
      Andrei from Chelyabinsk 4 February 2022 18: 10
      +5
      Quote: Bez 310
      We should have recognized ourselves a long time ago - our "aircraft carrier" will never leave the factory, the current generation of pilots will not fly from the deck, our carrier-based pilots are only helicopter pilots. Enough already, "died, so died ...".

      That's what I'm a pessimist, but you have surpassed me by an order of magnitude :))))
      They will put it into operation, they will not go anywhere. The only thing that can interfere is if Putin suddenly ... that, then - yes, there can be all sorts of options.
  22. 75 Sergey
    75 Sergey 4 February 2022 17: 57
    -3
    "Admiral Kuznetsov", this is a training March, a test of the pen. No one expects much from him, it’s enough to teach naval aviation pilots and drive barmaley, more is not required of him
  23. Jacket in stock
    Jacket in stock 4 February 2022 18: 13
    +7
    Funny.
    It's funny to read comments like patriots. They say the Franks themselves have only one aircraft carrier. And the army is small, and they eat frogs (quite a meal, by the way) ....
    But the Frenchman is right in the main. There is no aircraft carrier fleet, and carrier-based aviation too.
    Yes, and we ordered Mistrals from them, and they did not from us, if anyone forgot.
  24. Shuev
    Shuev 4 February 2022 18: 28
    -1
    On the front page of AFP published a recipe for cooking "Olivier" Dassault from chef Stalin Mikoyan, as part of an advertising campaign for the historical novel Raffi and the Indian Tandoor
  25. TermNachTer
    TermNachTer 4 February 2022 18: 56
    -2
    I would understand the tone of the article if the author were from Fashingtonsk, but the French with their funny Charles, which also costs more in repairs than at sea, look, to put it mildly, stupid.
  26. Sands Careers General
    Sands Careers General 4 February 2022 19: 12
    -4
    “Air group with dubious usefulness”: in the French press about the obsolescence of carrier-based aircraft of the Russian Navy


    And why are the paddling pools so concerned about our decks? Fear? laughing
  27. lot
    lot 4 February 2022 19: 57
    -2
    They hint that it's time to get used to the idea that there will be Chinese planes in the state. Exactly like ship engines.
  28. Alexfly
    Alexfly 5 February 2022 12: 13
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    And why does the Russian Federation have an aircraft carrier fleet? There is nothing to cover your borders with, and also earn money with the protection of the ship .... Isn't it better to set up airfields around the perimeter with infrastructure with this money?
  29. Shuev
    Shuev 6 February 2022 20: 51
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    "The maritime version of the Rafale fighter has successfully passed 12-day flight tests at an onshore facility in Goa, where conditions similar to those on the Indian aircraft carrier Vikrant were simulated"