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In what ways are the Armed Forces of Ukraine superior to the Armed Forces of the Russian Federation?

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In an article by the Ukrainian edition of Obozrevatel in the article "In what way the Armed Forces of Ukraine are superior to the Armed Forces of the Russian Federation: 5 main shortcomings of the Armed Forces of the Russian Federation and 5 advantages of the Armed Forces of the Russian Federation" the author Yuri Butusov considers “the clash of two armies in a big war, that is, in the course of large-scale ground combat operations” (quotes from the source text will go in quotes and in italics - approx.). Naturally, between Russia and Ukraine.


I agree, by the way, in terms of the fact that yes, in the clash of two armies with different tactics and strategies, it makes sense to consider one’s own and other people’s strengths and weaknesses, and based on such analyzes build a vision of at least a local, at least a large-scale war.

We went to consider the Ukrainian point of view.

“Russia has both qualitative and quantitative superiority, all this should by no means be underestimated. However, the war cannot be won only by air strikes - because aviation it cannot detect and hit all suspicious objects and all targets, and cruise missiles are effective only at strategic targets, and all this does not work well if the battle takes place in urban areas, at close range, and it is difficult to determine where your friends are and where strangers are. Therefore, without a ground war, the RF Armed Forces will not be able to defeat the Armed Forces of Ukraine.”

I'll start at the end of the quote. Of course it is. Ground operation - this is the final moment of any episode. The only question is how the initial part of this operation will go.

Ukrainian opponents believe that “You can’t win a war only with air strikes - because aviation cannot detect and hit all suspicious objects and all targets, and cruise missiles are effective only at strategic targets, and all this does not work well if the battle takes place in urban areas, at close range, and it is difficult to determine where one's own and where others are".

I think that the Syrian terrorists would not agree with this point of view. In fact, three-quarters of the country was under them, but what is there, Assad practically had a capital with suburbs. And then the aircraft arrived. And then the rockets. And what happened next? It's worth remembering, it's worth it.


If we talk about Ukrainian realities, then in addition to aviation and tactical missiles, which, by the way, have more than good accuracy, we can add cannon artillery, MLRS and TOSs that the Russian army has. Maybe not in such quantities as we would like, but for the Armed Forces of Ukraine it will be more than enough.

Actually, applying all this together, as it should be in a normal offensive operation, it remains only to estimate how many Ukrainian troops in a certain area will be able to resist after a massive authorized strike.

You can talk for a long time, but since the time of the Second World War it has been clear - who controls the air, he controls the initiative. Yugoslavia, Libya, Iraq, Syria - yes, the outcome of any conflict was decided in the air.


What is happening on the territory of modern Ukraine and the republics of Donbass is, excuse me, an exception. The conflict in the Donbas almost immediately began to resemble the First World War, its initial phase. Without aviation.

Excuse me, but who said that the Russian army would fight on the principles of a century ago?

Surprisingly, today in Ukraine, many people think so. And further along the text such a carnival begins that we will start laughing line by line.

“The shortcomings of the Russian army, which make it impossible to blitz and conduct fast and deep offensive operations of ground forces.

1. The absence of infantry capable of conducting independent maneuverable combat operations in isolation from armored vehicles. The motorized rifle and airborne squads of the SV and Airborne Forces of the RF Armed Forces are tied to their infantry fighting vehicles, infantry fighting vehicles and armored personnel carriers.

In general, already at the beginning of the Second World War, infantry was planted on Tanks (we) or tanks and armored personnel carriers (USA, UK, Germany). That is, 80 years ago, commanders already realized that success depended on speed and maneuver.






"Tied to their armored personnel carriers and infantry fighting vehicles" ... Well, yes, because armored vehicles are armor and fire. Of course, a large-caliber machine gun, an automatic cannon, the ability to save strength before a decisive throw, additional ammunition, protected by some kind of armor and moved by an engine - all this is not for Ukrainian "cyborgs". The infantry must go on foot.




Experts and those who know will not let you lie, but in recent conflicts, Russian motorized infantry rode on armor from above. It is a fact.


Undermining a mine inside an armored box is sad, because from above. But who said that the BMP / BTR armored box should be empty? There, excuse me, everything you need for combat operations. Water, food, additional ammunition. And in such quantities that you want - you will not climb.

But this is the autonomy that ordinary infantry of a century ago will never have.

I would like to ask: Mr. Butusov, do you know how many people from the valiant Armed Forces of Ukraine became fertilizers in the area of ​​Izvarin and Debaltsevo precisely because they did not have an armored personnel carrier or at least a truck? And there was no way to heroically escape?


"The infantry squad of 8 people is very sensitive to losses, any injury or death leads to a sharp decrease in combat capability and the suspension of active operations."

Well, yes. And the employees of the Armed Forces of Ukraine, who do not need armor, have three lives? And the failure of a fighter of the APU branch will not change anything at all? Well, yes, cyborgs are fighting there, I forgot ...


“Spetsnaz units are traditionally used as light infantry in the RF Armed Forces, which, however, are not numerous and do not have weapons and equipment for independent operations in combined arms combat.”

Deuce. Forgive us that we simply do not have the so-called "light infantry". Yes, we don’t have heavy infantry either. We don't have anything like that at all. There are motorized rifle troops that have no problems participating in modern combined arms combat. But there is MTR, but where does the combined arms battle? It is doubtful that we will follow the Ukrainian path, when, due to a shortage of personnel, openly police tasks were assigned to airmobile units.

In general, stupidity, which I don’t even want to discuss due to lack of interest.

“In a modern local war, without effective infantry, it is impossible to successfully operate in a city, rough terrain, carry out covert maneuvers, infiltrate into enemy battle formations.”

"Infiltration into enemy battle formations" is not modern infantry. This is the work of the DRG. And the fact that modern combat is impossible without effective infantry is indisputable.

But speaking seriously, it’s sad for me to imagine myself in the place of a Ukrainian semi-partisan, forced to drag everything on his hump and go into battle against a Russian soldier, behind whom an infantry fighting vehicle / armored personnel carrier with a machine gun and an automatic cannon still looms. Wouldn't want to.

But if we are talking about “infiltration” and shooting in the back… Well, as an option for using the army, this looks peculiar, but this is Ukraine…

2. Next we have tanks.


And the opinion on this topic is no less interesting than on the infantry. "Expert" believes that the main problem of the Russian tank forces is “lack of effective protection of military equipment from anti-tank weapons of the 2nd and 3rd generation. It is impossible to guarantee the protection of Russian tanks from being hit by a tandem warhead "Stugna", "Barrier", "Corsair".

I wonder if Ukrainian tanks have such protection? Well, at least from the "Cornet" and "Competition", I'm silent about the "Chrysanthemum" and special warheads for the MLRS "Smerch". The situation turns out to be very interesting.

About how “easy” life is for ATGM operators, our resource has been talked about more than once. We can agree that the Stugna is a good ATGM, but there are nuances. Yes, “any Ukrainian ATGM, even an old Soviet-made ATGM, can easily hit any other types of military equipment, trucks, and above all infantry fighting vehicles, infantry fighting vehicles and armored personnel carriers”. Undoubtedly, but only in one case: if Russian tanks and infantry fighting vehicles march like in a parade.

And that is unlikely to happen. But we will talk about the tactics of the Russian army at the very end. Now it’s worth adding that despite the fact that the Armed Forces of Ukraine have many more ATGMs than the Russian army has tanks and infantry fighting vehicles, the Russian army has something to offset this “superiority”.


In general, it is somewhat unclear how Ukrainian tanks will feel on such a battlefield? Here, of course, the case if they are. But not a word about the use of Ukrainian armored vehicles.

3. Low saturation of troops with optics and thermal imagers.

“Modern optical and thermal imaging sights significantly expand the parameters of even old weapons. At night, the thermal imager provides a key superiority in close combat.”

If we discard the nonsense about the use of French thermal imagers by some “groups of special forces of the FSB of the Russian Federation” in the Donbass, then the essence of the multi-line speech is as follows: the Ukrainian operator of the Javelin, using modern equipment, will be able to easily and naturally hit a Russian tank at night. And the Russian side will not be able to oppose it, especially in winter, when the daylight hours are short and the thermal imager will play a downright decisive role.

Yes, here the author has well brought out the weaknesses of Russian tank thermal imagers. Yes, they will badly "take" the infantry. The same heroic Ukrainian infantry, which will, without the use of armored vehicles, get close to Russian tanks at a distance of confident missile launch and destroy our tanks.

Doesn't this remind you of anything? But it popped up in my memory, I took it and checked it. Yes, it was like that. There are no planes, no tanks, no fuel, the enemy is at the gate. But there is a miracleweapon"... Anti-tank ...




In general, Ukrainian "experts" do not see how everything reminds them of those days of 1945. It's a pity. Because just the army will act against the wonderful independent Ukrainian infantry with modern anti-tank systems. With army aviation, motorized rifles, artillery and other necessary components.

Of course, if Russian tanks were perlied in columns, without any cover, then the Ukrainian soldiers would have shown themselves. But we're not so into science fiction hit, right?

4. Lack of effective air defense systems to cover forward combat formations from modern Bayraktar-type drones.

Here we have to make room for a big quote.

“The main advantage of Bayraktar is its long-range optoelectronic system Wescam MX-15 from L3Harris, which allows the drone to be in our rear, but at the same time observe and highlight the enemy’s combat formations at a distance of up to 20 km, moving along the entire front. The RF Armed Forces have nothing like the Bayraktar with Wescam MX-15, the enemy cannot achieve such a level of situational awareness.”

I didn’t understand a little why Bayraktar needed to highlight the enemy’s battle formations, especially to such a depth. Okay, okay, translation difficulties. Let them make an interactive map based on the UAV data and send it somewhere to the headquarters. What's next? What can such a card give? Use tactical weapons in battle formations? Which? "Tochka-U", of which there are still a couple of dozen in the Armed Forces of Ukraine? MLRS? Artillery?

Let's look further.

“Russia has a large number of air defense systems, however, the low visibility of Bayraktars for Russian radars, noise immunity, as the experience of the war in Libya, Syria, and Karabakh shows, allows Bayraktars to successfully hit targets on the front line, and in a favorable tactical situation - and deep in the depths of the enemy’s battle formations. Russia cannot completely close the sky for the Bayraktars, and the rapid advance of any Russian units in the Bayraktars' zone of operation will turn them into convenient targets.

Let's be mature. "Bayraktar" is good when nothing can be opposed to it. Yes, you can cite Libya, Syria, Karabakh and so on as much as you like. What unites all these countries? No army. Not trained, not skillful, not equipped. And most importantly, it does not have normal aviation and air defense.

In such conditions "Bayraktar" - yes, "wunder-weapon". In the conditions of the use of normal divisional air defense, it will “deflate” quite quickly. "Shilka", "Tunguska", "Shell" are worthy opponents. I would say - more than worthy.


Yes, we saw how the Bayraktars attacked the same Pantsirs in Syria. But the complexes were not in a combat position, why not attack? But if the “Shell” worked in a combat way, then, you know, with all the shortcomings of the complex, the grandmother said in two who was who.

And then, no matter how good the drone is, it has one drawback: it cannot take many weapons. So "Bayraktar" is a sword that can stab, even fatally. But Ukraine does not yet have and will not have, due to the lack of money, hundreds of Bayraktars capable of somehow slowing down the advance of Russian troops. But the Su-34, which can dump several tons of bombs at a time, is a cudgel.


Yes, the club weapon is not so elegant and innovative, but, as they say, with a great stunning effect.

5. Unpreparedness of the RF Armed Forces to conduct long-term intensive combat operations.

“Russian ground forces have a very limited number. The enemy can deploy no more than 90 ground battalion tactical groups against Ukraine out of a total of about 130 armored personnel carriers throughout the country. That is, ground strike forces of all branches of the RF Armed Forces against Ukraine, even after the deployment of the main forces, this is up to 100 military personnel, taking into account all possible support and support units - up to 200. Thus, the enemy already in the initial phase of the war does not have a general numerical advantage in ground forces over the Armed Forces of Ukraine. The Russian army is very sensitive to losses, and they are inevitable, plus combat fatigue, inevitable rotations. There will be a shortage of personnel very quickly.”

Funny. Very funny. In general, Hitler also thought so that with the capture of Moscow everything would end with us, but how it turned out. I'm sorry, but we don't need an advantage in people. On the contrary, we will try to save them by putting them in equipment. And we will fight with technology.

90 BTG is a decent number. I would say even overkill. Why Ukrainian "specialists" want to fight in this way, we will leave behind the scenes. In general, he has a fad for some kind of sabotage and partisan actions, obviously due to the fact that the Armed Forces of Ukraine are simply not yet capable of something more sane.

It is worth noting here that BTG is not from a good life. Especially in the realities of Ukraine, where the APU is full of seams with a complete set.

After all, the creation of battalion and even company tactical groups within the Armed Forces of Ukraine is the norm, since understaffing is the scourge of the Armed Forces of Ukraine.

But why should Russia suddenly do this, because here you can simply move several divisions to the west and thereby solve all problems in general. But let the APU as it wants, and get out of this situation. And even those very BTGs are in the RF Armed Forces, but they are not being created because of a shortage of personnel. BTG is generally an interesting idea and, if executed correctly, is very effective. But this is the subject of a separate discussion.

"Blocked by sanctions, Russia will experience growing problems with the replenishment of military equipment and resources necessary to wage a long war."

Masterpiece, right? I just give a standing ovation. I would never have thought of this myself, to be honest.

In Ukraine, it is probably not known that Russia is doing an excellent job with the production of equipment and ammunition. Maybe we have problems with new samples, but as for the old ones, sorry. Yes, I do not argue, something remains in the same Ukraine, but what does the sanctions have to do with it? All that we bought in the West were engines for ships that were lost in the Ukrainian showdown. But everything else... It's sad, but for a couple of weeks the "war" with Ukraine will definitely be enough.

A long war ... I wonder how many independent information troops plan to fight? Many understanding people there believe that 1-2 months is all. Ukraine will become part of Russia, God forbid, of course.

But we go further.

Advantages of Ukraine:

"one. The ability to rapidly increase the number of infantry. The Armed Forces of Ukraine, thanks to the mobilization of civil society, the highest increase in combat capability can be achieved with infantry in large cities. Positional warfare in the Donbass instilled infantry thinking in defense in the army. War in settlements significantly reduces the superiority of the Russian army. Drawing into cities for the enemy is a loss of maneuver, and a loss of combat effectiveness, Russia will quickly feel the lack of trained infantry for fighting in buildings.

In general, one gets the impression that all the problems of Ukraine are simply taken and the names of the countries are changed. I want to scream: are you serious?

Mobilization of civilians into infantry in the face of a suitable Russian army? Good luck. I imagine how the inhabitants of Eastern Ukraine will rush ... from the military registration and enlistment offices. Forgive me, but what kind of rabble the Armed Forces of Ukraine completed in the same 2015, what a cool outflow was observed after Debaltsev - just a surprise of the highest order. And it was the militia plus the rumors about the "special forces of the FSB." It is not difficult for me to imagine what will happen if the Russian army really goes. I still communicate with Ukrainians.

"2. NATO intelligence and our special services will provide the Armed Forces of Ukraine with comprehensive intelligence about the actions of the enemy, we already now have complete information about all movements, radio communications, command posts, troop movements, supply points.”

But the problem of finding Russian troops in the Donbass has not been resolved. There is complete information about all movements, but no Russian troops have been found. And what is the use of such data?

“3. High saturation of anti-tank systems. The infantry of the Armed Forces of Ukraine is already well provided with various anti-tank weapons, the density of the use of anti-tank systems will be high, the Russians have not yet encountered this. The Armed Forces of Ukraine have every opportunity for maneuvering attacking actions in small groups, and inflicting constant harassing strikes and losses on the enemy, thanks to equipping mobile strike groups with artillery and Javelin and Stugna anti-tank missile systems. In winter, the use of Javelin will be especially effective, the Russians do not have means of protection against it, the Armed Forces of Ukraine have already received over 1200 such missiles and deliveries continue. Artillery strikes from populated areas will allow you to act covertly and inflict great damage on the enemy, if there is an accurate adjustment from drones or high-rise buildings.

If this is an advantage, then it is so-so. Yes, there are really a lot of anti-tank systems in the Armed Forces of Ukraine now. What does it say? Only that the area in which the offensive of the Russian army will take place will be processed more carefully. Aviation, artillery, MLRS, TOS.


Lots of ATGMs? Okay. And we have a lot of artillery pieces and attack aircraft that will simply plow the entire area. Tested by Americans in the Pacific Islands, works just fine. If you hollow the island with shells and bombs, sooner or later all the defenders will shoot back there.

It's just that the Ukrainian fighters will have more losses. And the losses will be solely on the conscience of the command of the Armed Forces of Ukraine, which will simply expose its fighters to bombs and shells.


And tall buildings are subject to adjustment - sorry, this is also not a problem from the word "absolutely".

"4. The presence of Bayraktars makes it especially effective to control the actions of advanced Russian units and deliver pinpoint strikes, preventing enemy infantry and small groups of armored vehicles from infiltrating deep into our battle formations, as well as directing our other forces at the enemy.

Well, when the Armed Forces of Ukraine will have three hundred "Bayraktars", then we'll talk. As long as there are ten of them, you can sleep peacefully.

Well, here's the finale. What interesting conclusions did Pan Butusov make and how can one answer his conclusions.

The conclusions of the Ukrainian side are as follows:

1. A quick large-scale offensive operation of the RF Armed Forces against the Armed Forces of Ukraine is impossible even in the event of air and missile strikes against bases. It is impossible to suppress the infrastructure and defense system only from the air, all the more so in the presence of various air defense systems and maneuvering, with a significant number of troops.

Just the operation against Ukraine will be large-scale and very fast.
Air defense systems (by the way, quite ancient) of Ukraine are cut down by the Iskander OTRK or something simpler in the first place. As did all the "civilized armies" in the same Yugoslavia and Iraq.

Air and missile strikes are carried out on airfields and bases of the much-adored Bayraktars.


Russian aviation in the sky makes life as difficult as possible for fans of war. And we have learned to do it.


Artillery treatment of areas where the offensive is to be.

So the incoming motorized rifle and tank troops will not meet such full-fledged resistance of the Armed Forces of Ukraine.

And the “significant preponderance” of the people of the Armed Forces of Ukraine will end very quickly. It is clear that the clever men in Ukraine want to fight with rifles and machine guns, as in the First World War, but the Russian army, if necessary, will use its entire arsenal.

The fact that there is no Air Force left in Ukraine is not our problem. The fact that the Armed Forces of Ukraine do not have cruise missiles, heavy flamethrower systems, the latest MLRS, artillery - well, this is again not our headache.

Of course, you can count on American and British ATGMs. As well as Turkish drones. And we will bet on missiles, shells and aircraft.


2. Even in the course of a local offensive operation with limited targets, the Armed Forces of the Russian Federation have weapons capable of inflicting heavy losses on the enemy, stopping an offensive, and even defeating the enemy.

I would look at it with pleasure if all those who write “overcoming” today were in the trenches with these weapons. In order to oppose at least something to the Russian army, the under-army of the Armed Forces of Ukraine must have somewhat greater means than anti-tank systems and UAVs.

3. The Armed Forces of Ukraine need a comprehensive reform to strengthen our advantages over the Armed Forces of the Russian Federation, to reduce the backlog in a number of critical types of weapons. The doctrine of reform should be built on the basis of the optimal strategy and tactics optimal for achieving victory in the war.

And here I am once again ready to applaud Pan Butusov. And, seriously. He's right! He is really right! In order to enter the war with Russia and hold out there for more than a week, the Armed Forces of Ukraine must be reformed and equipped, as if it were the army of a decent country. We need a strategy, we need tactics, we need modern weapons and people trained to work with these weapons.

If you comply with all this, and even add a normal military budget to this, then the Armed Forces of Ukraine will really be able to become an armed force capable of something more than mastering handouts from the West.

It is a pity that I will not live to see this significant and important event.
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  1. Sahalinets
    Sahalinets 6 February 2022 04: 35
    +83
    You can judge me, but I would like all this to remain in theory. I am completely indifferent to Ukraine, but I do not see at all that we will win even in the event of a victorious war. We need to develop our country.
    1. Pilot
      Pilot 6 February 2022 06: 03
      +8
      That's right, I'll add one more thing. My relatives moved from our north to the Ukrainian SSR, they have young people of military age and I have a son - and what, now they have to kill each other for the sake of the interests of the bourgeoisie? Yes, we will all lie down with our bones, but we will not let our own into a fratricidal war, let the pans with their barchuks fight each other if they want. I think that there are quite a few cases like mine and I believe that their decision will be similar, this is not our war. stop .
      1. dorz
        dorz 6 February 2022 06: 51
        +4
        What are the advantages of the APU ...

        It will be honest to compare the training / armament of the Armed Forces of Ukraine and the militias. Yesterday, the US began sending 70 more aircraft to support democracy. sad
      2. svp67
        svp67 6 February 2022 08: 06
        +35
        Quote: Pilot
        Yes, we will all lie down with bones, but we will not let our own into a fratricidal war

        Of course, you will excuse me, but do you have confidence that from the other side they will also "lie down with bones"? Knowing the situation there, firsthand, I will say that I do not have such confidence at all. They were pumped so ideologically there, with every minute mention of such a war, that they will go, and with complete confidence in their rightness ...
        Quote: Pilot
        I think that there are quite a few cases like mine and I believe that their decision will be similar, this is not our war.

        And whose? Alas, it became ours as soon as crowds began to walk on one burning Maidan and call on us to be put on knives and taken to the gallows ...
        So I read you and remember this ...

        The fact that there will be a war between our countries became clear back in 2014. Alas, but it is. And the fact that, having then the opportunity, if not to crush this "power", then to greatly curtail the territory on which it rules, our authorities did not take advantage of this, I still consider it a huge mistake. As a result, we are now getting a war in much more unfavorable conditions. And this "much" will grow from year to year.
        Do you really not see what's going on?
        1. Pilot
          Pilot 6 February 2022 09: 06
          -2
          Quote: svp67
          Of course, you will excuse me, but do you have confidence that from the other side they will also "lie down with bones"? Knowing the situation there, firsthand, I will say that I do not have such confidence at all. They were pumped so ideologically there, with every minute mention of such a war, that they will go, and with complete confidence in their rightness ...
          Quote: Pilot
          I think that there are quite a few cases like mine and I believe that their decision will be similar, this is not our war.

          And whose? Alas, it became ours as soon as crowds began to walk on one burning Maidan and call on us to be put on knives and taken to the gallows ...
          1. For my Ukrainians, I am sure that their youth are being brought up in what is called the spirit of communism.
          2. This is a war of vultures who dream of profiting from Slavic corpses, look for someone who benefits and these are not only the notorious Yankees. ,, To whom is war, and to whom is mother dear,, (c)
          1. svp67
            svp67 6 February 2022 09: 09
            +16
            Quote: Pilot
            This is a war of vultures who dream of profiting from Slavic corpses, look for someone who benefits and these are not only the notorious Yankees. ,, To whom is war, and to whom is mother dear,

            Of course, this is undeniable. But I'm not going to sit back either. Knowing the history according to which ANY lost war by Russia leads to internal social conflicts, up to a civil war, I definitely don’t want this
            1. Pilot
              Pilot 6 February 2022 09: 14
              -11
              Quote: svp67
              Quote: Pilot
              This is a war of vultures who dream of profiting from Slavic corpses, look for someone who benefits and these are not only the notorious Yankees. ,, To whom is war, and to whom is mother dear,

              Of course, this is undeniable. But I'm not going to sit back either. Knowing the history according to which ANY lost war by Russia leads to internal social conflicts, up to a civil war, I definitely don’t want this

              And I know what you breathe here, so this answer is still in your spirit. Personally, I think that the spears are directed in the wrong direction and this applies to both sides .. tongue
              1. svp67
                svp67 6 February 2022 09: 22
                +11
                Quote: Pilot
                And I know what you breathe here

                A mixture of gases, mainly consisting of nitrogen and oxygen, and you?
                Quote: Pilot
                Personally, I believe that the spears are directed in the wrong direction ..

                Yeah, that is, you are one of those who are ready to start a civil war right now ....?
          2. Stepan S
            Stepan S 6 February 2022 22: 53
            0
            I am sure for my Ukrainians

            Well, everything is clear with you, if anything, you will fight on the other side. This is the call of the ancestors
          3. Evgeny Ivanov_5
            Evgeny Ivanov_5 7 February 2022 10: 16
            +9
            Marvelous. But in 1941 there were also people who considered the war to be a showdown between the Germans and the Communists. But ordinary people will be happy to throw off the burden of Stalin and will not fight for him.
        2. alekseykabanets
          alekseykabanets 6 February 2022 09: 46
          -16
          Quote: svp67
          They were so ideologically pumped there, with every minute mention of such a war,

          And the inhabitants of the Russian Federation were less "pumped"? On VO alone, several articles a day about Ukraine, I generally keep quiet about TV, they “dehumanize” Ukrainians, it’s disgusting to watch.
          Quote: svp67
          And whose? Alas, it became ours as soon as crowds began to walk on one burning Maidan and call on us to be put on knives and taken to the gallows ...

          And who bred these crowds of nationalists? Exactly the same characters that destroyed the USSR, oligarchs and corrupt officials are the same everywhere.
          Quote: svp67
          The fact that there will be a war between our countries became clear back in 2014.

          The fact that there will be wars between non-states that arose on the ruins of a once great country was clear back in the early - mid-90s. Only these are not our wars, not the wars of ordinary people, ordinary people are not interested in such wars, any adequate person can understand who is the beneficiary in such wars.
          1. svp67
            svp67 6 February 2022 11: 08
            +23
            Quote: aleksejkabanets
            And the inhabitants of the Russian Federation were less "pumped"?

            Believe me less. But they are already trying hard to catch up. Although 30 years of fruitful work have been spent on this in Ukraine, and several generations have already been brought up in this spirit... Children, whose great-grandfathers fought against Nazism, grandfathers built communism, now proudly sing songs about Bandera...
            Quote: aleksejkabanets
            And who bred these crowds of nationalists?

            Those who benefited from it and here naturally questions arise for our authorities ....
            Quote: aleksejkabanets
            Only these are not our wars,

            Oh, yes, yes ... don't forget about it, when armed men appear on your doorstep, start robbing your house and raping women ....
            No, now the moment is coming when this war cannot be ours.
            1. alekseykabanets
              alekseykabanets 6 February 2022 11: 58
              -16
              Quote: svp67
              No, now the moment is coming when this war cannot be ours.

              "The development of the imperialist war into a civil war" (V.I. Lenin) Are you saying in this sense that "this war cannot be ours"? You understand that if the people en masse get weapons in their hands, then against whom will they turn their rhetorical question. Arranging a big war for the authorities of the Russian Federation is like death.
              1. SOF
                SOF 7 February 2022 09: 04
                +3
                Quote: aleksejkabanets
                then against whom will he turn his question rhetorically

                .... and who are you against, what are you going to turn ....? eh?.....can you elaborate?......
                ..... what ...... go to take the mail and telegraph .... ???..... and you will bring down the guards ..... and the cops .....
                ....and the cops with weapons....if anything....and fill them up....?
                ...... AND SO WHAT .... relatives of the cops and their colleagues .... they will already start BLOWING YOU .... it doesn’t get into a tight thought ...?
                ...... and from what kind of shores .... did you consider THIS "rhetorical question" ......???? .... not from the Maidan? ....... a legitimate question arises - and whose Crimea ???......
          2. Stepan S
            Stepan S 6 February 2022 22: 55
            +7
            And the inhabitants of the Russian Federation were less "pumped"? On VO alone, several articles a day about Ukraine, I generally keep quiet about TV, they “dehumanize” Ukrainians, it’s disgusting to watch.

            You just read such resources and watch programs on TV, of which there are only a few on all channels. And you look at pumping in Ukraine on TV and everywhere at the state level. Have you heard somewhere from our leadership that Russia is going to attack Ukraine? Me not. And their mouths are already torn from rabies.
        3. Old Horseradish
          Old Horseradish 6 February 2022 13: 49
          -12
          We no longer have Kiev as the mother of Russian cities, but beloved Beijing is now our father. Only this dad will cut indiscriminately when the time comes.
          1. Stepan S
            Stepan S 6 February 2022 22: 56
            +3
            Your nickname suits you, it's me in essence of your comment.
      3. alekseykabanets
        alekseykabanets 6 February 2022 09: 33
        -12
        Quote: Pilot
        Yes, we will all lie down with our bones, but we will not let our own into a fratricidal war, let the pans with their barchuks fight each other if they want. I think that there are quite a few cases like mine and I believe that their decision will be similar, this is not our war.

        good Better not to say! I absolutely agree with you, this is not our war, I haven’t heard that the Rotenbergs would clean Kolomoisky or Akhmetov’s face, how they traded among themselves, they trade and will continue to trade, and also double their fortunes on military contracts.
        1. parusnik
          parusnik 6 February 2022 09: 52
          +5
          And the trade continues laughing namesake hail hi You know, this all reminds me of Guy de Maupossant's story "Dumpling" laughing
          1. alekseykabanets
            alekseykabanets 6 February 2022 10: 08
            -19
            Hello Alexey!
            Quote: parusnik
            trade then continues laughing Namesake welcome hi You know, this all reminds me of Guy de Maupossant's story "Dumpling"

            Here at work I asked the guys of military age if they were ready to fight in Ukraine, so apart from profanity I didn’t hear anything.)))) They say the mountains are nearby (I moved to Psebay), it’s better to go there.
            1. svp67
              svp67 6 February 2022 11: 13
              +7
              Quote: aleksejkabanets
              I asked the guys of military age at work if they were ready to fight in Ukraine, so apart from profanity, I didn’t hear anything.))))

              But I know 140 of the same guys who are ready to fight for their Fatherland, with anyone, they are right there right now, not far from the borders of Ukraine ...
              1. alekseykabanets
                alekseykabanets 6 February 2022 12: 03
                -16
                Quote: svp67
                But I know 140 of the same guys who are ready to fight for their Fatherland, with anyone, they are right there right now, not far from the borders of Ukraine ...

                "..... and the same crooked army of scoundrels and parasites were driven to the front to die ..." S. Yesenin, "Anna Snegina" Remind you how it ended then? Do you think today, with a big war, it will be different?
                1. svp67
                  svp67 6 February 2022 12: 50
                  -1
                  Quote: aleksejkabanets
                  "..... and the same crooked army of scoundrels and parasites were driven to the front to die ..." S. Yesenin,

                  The song was good, the song was bad...
                  1. alekseykabanets
                    alekseykabanets 6 February 2022 13: 00
                    +11
                    Quote: svp67
                    The song was good, the song was bad...

                    And probably all smart and caring people in those days were bad subjects, Nicholas II tried hard for this.)))) He should have been given the Order of Lenin for his huge contribution to the creation of a revolutionary situation.))))
                    1. svp67
                      svp67 6 February 2022 13: 01
                      +1
                      Quote: aleksejkabanets
                      And probably all smart and caring people in those days were bad subjects,

                      I do not agree.
                      Quote: aleksejkabanets
                      He should have been given the Order of Lenin for his enormous contribution to the creation of a revolutionary situation.))))

                      Yes, I definitely agree on this...
                    2. Cottodraton
                      Cottodraton 7 February 2022 17: 10
                      0
                      Do you, of course, also consider yourself "smart, thinking and not indifferent"?)
                      It's not even funny. You are a classic bad boy. Even about a basket of cookies and a jar of jam - this is right about you, 200%!)
                      1. alekseykabanets
                        alekseykabanets 7 February 2022 17: 19
                        +2
                        Quote: Cottodraton
                        Do you, of course, also consider yourself "smart, thinking and not indifferent"?)
                        It's not even funny. You are a classic bad boy. Even about a basket of cookies and a jar of jam - this is right about you, 200%!)

                        Can you really say anything about the comment? Or do you, like all Dazdraputs, have the main argument in the dispute - is it an insult to the interlocutor?
              2. Aag
                Aag 6 February 2022 15: 54
                +14
                Quote: svp67
                Quote: aleksejkabanets
                I asked the guys of military age at work if they were ready to fight in Ukraine, so apart from profanity, I didn’t hear anything.))))

                But I know 140 of the same guys who are ready to fight for their Fatherland, with anyone, they are right there right now, not far from the borders of Ukraine ...

                ... And exactly for the Fatherland?
                I know those who are ready - against Bendera; for justice, for the tears of the children of Donbass, Luhansk, their own relatives in a neighboring country ... some for money, sorry, (we have more than one generation that has grown up supposedly "free from the pressure of ideology", but perfectly learned that " loot rules!").
                ... For the Fatherland ... for a start, other characters had to worry, on other fronts ... hi
            2. vitvit123
              vitvit123 6 February 2022 12: 25
              +13
              And I asked my relative about ukra .., he serves in the Crimea .. he answered me that we’ll smear it like a turtle .. so what?
              1. VORON538
                VORON538 6 February 2022 13: 46
                +12
                My classmate who lives and works in Sevastopol tells me the same thing. hi Although he is a Ukrainian by his father, who has lived all his life in many republics of the former USSR, but what the wide did to Ukraine ...
            3. parusnik
              parusnik 6 February 2022 18: 13
              0
              That's why, this is all the story "Pyshka" and reminds me, re-read it or watch the film in 1934. Everything is there laughing
              1. alekseykabanets
                alekseykabanets 6 February 2022 19: 58
                -1
                Quote: parusnik
                That's why, it all reminds me of the story "Pyshka"

                I’ll definitely read it, I’ll go to work the day after tomorrow and read it, otherwise there’s no time at home, you intrigued me with this story.))))
              2. YES UZH
                YES UZH 6 February 2022 20: 27
                +5
                This is all that is planned, not joyfully, but when Mazepia is accepted into NATO, bases are placed, weapons are serious, I am silent about the youth, what will you sing then?
                1. alekseykabanets
                  alekseykabanets 13 February 2022 21: 26
                  0
                  Quote: YES
                  but when Mazepia is accepted into NATO, the bases will be placed, the weapon is serious

                  And who spread all this "mazepia"? Who recognized the fascist state of Ukraine? Who scored on the tragedy in Odessa?
        2. svp67
          svp67 6 February 2022 11: 12
          +4
          Quote: aleksejkabanets
          something I didn’t hear that the Rotenbergs would polish Kolomoisky or Akhmetov’s face

          I won’t say anything about Akhmetov, but they definitely won’t even sit next to Kolomoisky ... there are big fights over who fooled whom.
          But the fact of the matter is that nothing will change from your "tolstoyism". Nearby is a state hostile to us, which aims at the collapse and subjugation of ours .... And your position is now on their side ... You are for them those who prevent them from living.
          1. alekseykabanets
            alekseykabanets 6 February 2022 12: 09
            -2
            Quote: svp67
            But the fact of the matter is that nothing will change from your "tolstoyism". Nearby is a state hostile to us, which aims at the collapse and subjugation of our...

            The whole trouble is that it was precisely those characters who created this state hostile to us who once ruined our common country and today they are the "elite" of the Russian Federation and represent real power.
          2. Aag
            Aag 6 February 2022 15: 55
            +6
            Quote: svp67
            Quote: aleksejkabanets
            something I didn’t hear that the Rotenbergs would polish Kolomoisky or Akhmetov’s face

            I won’t say anything about Akhmetov, but they definitely won’t even sit next to Kolomoisky ... there are big fights over who fooled whom.
            But the fact of the matter is that nothing will change from your "tolstoyism". Nearby is a state hostile to us, which aims at the collapse and subjugation of ours .... And your position is now on their side ... You are for them those who prevent them from living.

            Would you sit down with Serdyukov, DAM? ...
            1. svp67
              svp67 6 February 2022 18: 28
              +4
              Quote: AAG
              Would you sit down with Serdyukov, DAM? ...

              Rotenbergs? I think so ... They are not competitors to them
      4. vitvit123
        vitvit123 6 February 2022 12: 22
        +12
        So we don’t say “barchuks” that they will capture Kiev, etc. ... in general, the first to start stealing, shouting to the Muscovite at the Gilyak! This should not be forgotten .. if your neighbor on the porch, even a younger relative, starts screaming that he wants to kill you and runs around the porch with a knife, what remains to be done? Crack manenko in snot to calm down .. otherwise he will cut you or your loved ones ..
        1. victor50
          victor50 6 February 2022 20: 01
          -4
          Quote: vitvit123
          will start screaming that he wants to kill you and will run around the entrance with a knife, what remains to be done? Crack manenko in snot

          So for this they have already cracked - Crimea is ours. And let him rage further, but we would have to raise the economy, the armed forces, so as not to compare with Ukraine, and so that no one would have an idea, and build a decent society and live in it,
          1. vitvit123
            vitvit123 6 February 2022 20: 48
            +1
            Well, the Sun is not feeling bad enough now ... and the economy, at this stage of life, will not be better .., and a decent society is all of us ..
            1. victor50
              victor50 6 February 2022 21: 00
              +3
              Quote: vitvit123
              Well, the Sun is not feeling bad enough for us now

              I remember a time when it never occurred to anyone to discuss the possibility of war with the USSR. I want that time to come again. Alas, now it is not, therefore, the Armed Forces of the Russian Federation also do not correspond to the desired.
              1. vitvit123
                vitvit123 7 February 2022 07: 39
                -1
                So now everyone is paranoid to be afraid of a war with Russia ...
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      5. HUNTERDON
        HUNTERDON 6 February 2022 13: 36
        +6
        This is exactly what Bandera is counting on. Well. and we’ll lay down your bones; it’s them (Bandera’s) who will provide you with 100% in full. Donbass knows well about "our brothers"
      6. Procopius Nesterov
        Procopius Nesterov 7 February 2022 11: 24
        +1
        Pilot Vlasovets natural.
      7. TatarinSSSR
        TatarinSSSR 7 February 2022 20: 50
        -2
        Uh... Uncle, don't let desertion sit here. Think what you write! My grandfather, the kingdom of heaven to him, a veteran of the Second World War, with many awards and wounds, had relatives in Germany. On the line of his wife. And what, he had to refuse to go to the front in the 41st ?!
        1. alekseykabanets
          alekseykabanets 13 February 2022 21: 35
          -1
          Quote: TatarinSSSR
          My grandfather, the kingdom of heaven to him, a veteran of the Second World War, with many awards and wounds .....

          But to resurrect him, show him the beautiful country of RFia, from all sides, and ask, ": is this what you fought for, grandfather?" what do you think he would say?
          1. TatarinSSSR
            TatarinSSSR 13 February 2022 23: 58
            -3
            He fought for his land, for his family, for his loved ones, for his home and for his country, for a devoted people. And not for you and people like you, who are ready to give up everything for a good car and an office chair. And it's not his fault that what he fought for was profaned by the next generations.
            1. alekseykabanets
              alekseykabanets 15 February 2022 20: 12
              +1
              Quote: TatarinSSSR
              for a devoted people

              And let me be curious, what kind of people were then betrayed?
              Quote: TatarinSSSR
              And not for you and people like you, who are ready to give up everything for a good car and an office chair.

              The reproach is not addressed, Everyone surrendered and betrayed your current idols, who are now in power, in order to take public property into their pockets as a result of thieves' "grabbing".
              Quote: TatarinSSSR
              And it's not his fault that what he fought for was profaned by the next generations.

              I agree with you, of course not his fault! However, Lotsman is absolutely right that ordinary people, both from the Russian and from the Ukrainian side, have nothing to share among themselves. I didn’t notice that the Rotenbergs and the Abramovichs were eager to beat Kolomoisky and Poroshenko in the face, as they traded among themselves before, and they trade now, but for now Ivan and Pavlo will kill each other on military contracts, they will earn money, they will rub their hands and rejoice. Think about it at your leisure.
    2. Thrifty
      Thrifty 6 February 2022 07: 55
      +1
      Roman, why cast beads in front of such butus-like pigs? You would only ask him 2 questions - is it good to live in foreign lands? Maybe it's time to return what the territories received from Russia? Or, we'll take it ourselves! in the event of a war, where will Europe continue to scribble its libels? They found a golden vagina bell, a typical liar, a hypocrite and a coward. In battle, he will make his paws to the top at the first shelling from our side.
      1. AUL
        AUL 6 February 2022 10: 11
        -1

        In general, stupidity, which I don’t even want to discuss due to lack of interest.
    3. Anachoret
      Anachoret 6 February 2022 10: 58
      +12
      The calculation of this "expert" Butusov on sabotage and terror stems from the actions of the current Ukrainian authorities since the age of 14) terror and sabotage against the civilian population of Ukraine is one thing) and when real power comes in, the army and special services are a completely different difference))
    4. paul3390
      paul3390 6 February 2022 12: 25
      +10
      that we will win even in the event of a victorious war.

      Unfortunately - the question is no longer worth it. About winnings. That's right - that we will lose if it is not. The fact that if everything is left as it is, inevitably leads to NATO troops and weapons in Ukraine is already extremely obvious. Can we let this happen?
      1. Doccor18
        Doccor18 6 February 2022 12: 46
        +8
        Quote: paul3390
        That's right - that we will lose if it does not exist.

        This issue should have been decisively addressed 15 years ago. And now a whole generation has grown up there, has grown up on anti-Russian slogans. What will we do with it? What kind of coexistence will it be?
    5. Nyrobsky
      Nyrobsky 6 February 2022 12: 37
      +20
      Quote: Sahalinets
      You can judge me, but I would like all this to remain in theory. I am quite indifferent to Ukraine, but I don’t see at all that we will win even in the event of a victorious war. We need to develop our country.

      You give the idea in such a way that you might think that it is Russia that is sleeping and seeing how it would be more convenient and faster for her to shake Ukraine. Russia is not looking for war, but demonstrates that it is ready to solve the problem not only diplomatically, but also militarily. Again, this is only possible if the dill and their puppeteers force her to do so. If the Armed Forces of Ukraine do not trample on "conquer the rebellious region", then the Russian troops will remain in their places of deployment.
      1. forester1971
        forester1971 6 February 2022 12: 56
        +12
        I agree with you, I, like many of those present here, do not want a war between Russia and Ukraine, but if it provokes us, then the Russian authorities will have to make a decision.
        In theory, the article is basically correct, all the more strange to read it after the article by the same author about the corrupt army of Russia, where assumptions were written about the possible flight of our army from the battlefield.
        It's like two different people wrote the article.
        1. Nyrobsky
          Nyrobsky 6 February 2022 13: 06
          +13
          Quote: Forester1971
          In theory, the article is mostly correct, all the more strange to read it after articles by the same author about the corrupt army of Russia, where assumptions were written about the possible flight of our army from the battlefield.

          Apparently I missed it. But the presentation of material with divergent thoughts on the same topic was noticed even in the coverage of events in Belarus. hi
          Perhaps this is an analysis of the reaction of the public in order to study the prevailing moods in society. There is also such a technique.
          Judging by the main reaction to this article, no one really wants a war with Ukraine, even being sure of a complete and quick victory. However, they do not deny the fact that it is possible in the event of a provocation against Russia.yes
          1. forester1971
            forester1971 6 February 2022 15: 00
            +11
            The article "Who and how will the "corrupt" army protect?"
            December 14, 2021 In "Opinions"
            Author R. Skomorokhov
            It is written very intricately, with a bias towards extreme negativity and almost no concrete facts.
            1. Nyrobsky
              Nyrobsky 6 February 2022 17: 40
              +7
              Thanks for the tip. I got acquainted. Impressed!
              I never understood when the FSB and counterintelligence were abolished in our country. After all, they don't eat their bread in vain. Although, I believe that the problem of extortion still exists, but not on such a scale of a catastrophe that would threaten the combat capability of the army. hi
    6. Doccor18
      Doccor18 6 February 2022 12: 42
      +6
      Quote: Sahalinets
      but I don’t see at all what we will win even in the event of a victorious war

      That's for sure. Of course, there is no doubt about the victory of the Russian army. But then what? At least half of the population (mostly young) will be hostile, the economy is out. How will we solve these problems? And what will happen to international relations...
      1. Paul Neumann
        Paul Neumann 6 February 2022 17: 51
        +3
        But how was it decided in East Germany?
        1. Doccor18
          Doccor18 6 February 2022 18: 12
          +1
          The number of Soviet troops in eastern Germany in the forties was in the region of three million people ...
          1. Paul Neumann
            Paul Neumann 6 February 2022 18: 54
            +8
            1) the number of troops was associated with the confrontation between the two military-political blocs, and not with the internal situation in Germany.
            2) I meant something else: how did German society make its way from East Germany to the German Democratic Republic?
            1. Doccor18
              Doccor18 6 February 2022 19: 26
              +3
              It was an extremely difficult task, but the Union was assisted by a certain number of ideological communists, of whom there were more than half in the Landtags. This process was lengthy, but, as practice has shown, practically meaningless, since the unification of Germany nevertheless took place and was perceived by most Germans as a victory.
              1. Aviator_
                Aviator_ 6 February 2022 20: 28
                +5
                since the unification of Germany nevertheless took place and was perceived by most Germans as a victory.
                This was another generation of well-brainwashed Germans. And in united Germany, the attitude towards the "Aussies" is more than bad. After all, they showed that it is possible to live not in a capitalist way. They will never be forgiven for this. Well, now that's it, they broke the wall - rejoice, you achieved this. Just like the miners from Kuzbass, who staged strikes under Gorbi, and under EBN they banged with helmets in Moscow. It would be better if they knocked their heads, it would have come out louder.
      2. Stepan S
        Stepan S 6 February 2022 23: 01
        +2
        How will we solve these problems? And what will happen to international relations ..

        Katz offers to surrender?
      3. svoroponov
        svoroponov 7 February 2022 19: 26
        -1
        The young population of the survivors. The main backbone of the childbearing population will be knocked out. Although, to be honest, the troops do not even need to enter Ukraine. Hit high-precision on the life support facilities of the goprods and that's it. Imagine Kiev, where there is no electricity, water, sewerage does not work, no fuel for transport, and all the bases of army provisions have been destroyed. End of winter, spring. Knowing this tribe, I studied there at one time, I am sure that most of the military will simply tie up the especially zealous and go to negotiations on surrender. Yes, and the local ordinary people will help. In other cities to the east, such as Odessa, it will still be easier. Well, after the task, they will also decide the issue with especially stubborn ones.
        Zelensky, Poroshenko, other top bastards and oligarchs, if they are detained, they will be transferred to the Donbass, let them be hanged there at a national gathering.
    7. tihonmarine
      tihonmarine 6 February 2022 12: 55
      +15
      Quote: Sahalinets
      I am completely indifferent to Ukraine, but I do not see at all that we will win even in the event of a victorious war. We need to develop our country.

      I don’t see superiority between the armies of Russia and Ukraine, Russians will fight in both armies, only in the Russian army they will fight for the Russians, and in the Ukrainian army for the Americans.
    8. zenion
      zenion 6 February 2022 19: 01
      +1
      The article is like playing cards. You give us a jack, and we give you a lady!
  2. Andrey Yuryevich
    Andrey Yuryevich 6 February 2022 04: 47
    +25
    Roman, with all due respect, was not worth commenting on the delirium of a madman.
    1. 210ox
      210ox 6 February 2022 05: 46
      +3
      Yes, Roman. You don't understand anything. They are CYBORGES! what
      1. tihonmarine
        tihonmarine 6 February 2022 13: 00
        +10
        Quote: 210ox
        You don't understand anything. They are CYBORGES!

        And I have such a notion that there are not cyborgs, but ZOMBIES!
        1. 210ox
          210ox 6 February 2022 14: 22
          +4
          Ah! Whatever you call it .. There are no Mogs at all. hi
          1. tihonmarine
            tihonmarine 6 February 2022 15: 02
            +4
            Quote: 210ox
            Whatever you call it .. There are no Mogs at all.

            Instead of brains, a chip with a virus-infected program.
        2. boris epstein
          boris epstein 6 February 2022 17: 04
          +5
          And you read the word Cyborg from back to front.
          1. tihonmarine
            tihonmarine 6 February 2022 17: 15
            +3
            Quote: Boris Epstein
            And you read the word Cyborg from back to front.

            I read it and "got crazy", it will come out in gibberish - a coffin!
            1. boris epstein
              boris epstein 6 February 2022 17: 23
              +6
              The idea is not mine, it was also invented by Motorola (he will always be remembered) during the battles for the Donetsk airport.
    2. andrewkor
      andrewkor 6 February 2022 06: 59
      +11
      The pearls of this "expert" were sorted out on the shelves on antifashist.com two weeks ago, but with humor, with a twinkle! Late Author!
  3. yuriy55
    yuriy55 6 February 2022 05: 22
    +15
    A topic worthy of discussion. A feeling of annoyance and disgust from the facts that the time has come to compare the Armed Forces of the Russian Federation and the Armed Forces of Ukraine.
    Correctly written:
    Quote: Sahalinets
    but not at all see I think that we will win even in the event of a victorious war.

    hi
  4. Vladimir61
    Vladimir61 6 February 2022 05: 32
    0
    Now it’s worth adding that despite the fact that the Armed Forces of Ukraine have many times more ATGMs than the Russian army has tanks and infantry fighting vehicles ...
    Further, without confirmation of such conclusions, it became not at all interesting to read!
  5. Lech from Android.
    Lech from Android. 6 February 2022 05: 50
    +7
    First of all, it is necessary to neutralize the crazed leadership of Ukraine in the conflict.
    The first blow must be struck at the decision-making headquarters and the system of state administration ... the Kiev Rada, the Zelensky government, various centers and headquarters of foreign advisers and national battalions of Ukraine.
    To deprive the enemy of the opportunity to provide organized resistance ... this is a classic of war.
    1. yuriy55
      yuriy55 6 February 2022 06: 23
      +6
      Quote: Lech from Android.
      First of all, it is necessary to neutralize the crazed leadership of Ukraine in the conflict.

      For some reason I wanted to reply to your post.
      We often reproach the Russian authorities for the lack of designation of development prospects. And what does the Ukrainian government propose? Perfectly understanding the history of her historical education, she considered that she should put everyone to the last Ukrainian soldier for the Russian Crimea, not realizing that the population of the LDNR, who had made a decision on sovereignty, would not turn back...
      And what do the presidents of Ukraine offer? The West will arm us and we will defeat Russia, which is alone, and the world is behind us ... Absolutely no sense of self-preservation. The one who will return real statehood to Ukraine, possible ONLY in alliance with Russia, will go down in history...
      Have you at least once asked your own people why suddenly Ukrainians (before 2014) began to speak negatively about Russia? Maybe it's those western regions that became part of Ukraine before WWII muddy the waters? Give them independence...Hold a referendum on the national idea of ​​the country...Maybe Ukraine just needs to be preserved as part of several regions in order to preserve its culture (SAVE AND NOT SHOW IT WITH YELLOW-BLUE ATTRIBUTES), its unique language (IF YOU LIKE) as the only and state...
      Crazy ideas come to the head of several grabbers. Some rely on criminals, others on nationalists ...
      Look deep into history. Where in the world are isolated national associations (states) preserved? Afghanistan? So, sorry for the faux pas, it may not come to talk about lace underpants in the coming decades ... But it came from you:
      I would buy an ox, but the priest is naked ...

      It's time to come to your senses and remember when Ukraine was a flourishing and cheerful country ... There is no need to envy and expect that the neighbors will become so stupid that you can sit on their necks and hang your legs ...
      Put your thoughts in order, get rid of the nationalists and let's build our future together if you don't have an emergency "exit" like Yatsenyuk...
      1. alekc75
        alekc75 6 February 2022 08: 16
        +7
        Ukraine has never been a country and never will be!
        1. yuriy55
          yuriy55 6 February 2022 08: 56
          -6
          Quote: alekc75
          Ukraine has never been a country and never will be!

          How about Kosovo or Burkina Faso? And the Finno-Ugric tribes could?
          But there are still some guys who ate “humans” twenty years ago. There are those who divide and shred power every week, and just a little something - they shout:

          State - a political-territorial sovereign organization of public authority, which has a special apparatus for the implementation of administrative, supportive, protective functions and is able to make its orders binding on the population of the whole country.
    2. bk0010
      bk0010 6 February 2022 12: 05
      +2
      Quote: Lech from Android.
      First of all, it is necessary to neutralize the crazed leadership of Ukraine in the conflict
      In no case! There are such "specialists" that they will bring more trouble to their troops than any electronic warfare and DRG combined.
      Quote: Lech from Android.
      and headquarters of foreign advisers
      And these should be started to shoot without any war, right now.
  6. ivan2022
    ivan2022 6 February 2022 06: 10
    +4
    Confirmation of the fact that the Civil War is an ancient, smoldering, much planned process, it has not yet been completed, and Russia of the 21st century has faced its old aspect, which since the time of Peter the 1st, Mazepa and the destruction of the Zaporozhian Sich has long been secondary. But in our "new history" it has successfully developed with the support of the West.
    Unfortunately, our rulers turned out to be too simple and not developed to take all this into account in time, to foresee and take into account...
    This is not "Lenin's mines" for you to put under the USSR gouged with your own hands, you need to think here!
  7. alone
    alone 6 February 2022 06: 24
    +12
    The article reminded me of my childhood .. how in the yard the children were arguing over whose dad was stronger.
    And so if you think about it, this war will not have winners. Everyone will lose..
  8. rocket757
    rocket757 6 February 2022 06: 43
    +4
    Therefore, without a ground war, the RF Armed Forces will not be able to defeat the Armed Forces of Ukraine.”
    . First ... what the hell, WE need it ...
    Second ... and then there’s just nothing to discuss, ha, ha, the Armed Forces of Ukraine did not win anything and nowhere, what do they have in the stash??? NATO standards, instructors from behind the hillock, who, too, neither / X / R / E / won anywhere when the enemy is stronger than street gangs ...
    1. Reptiloid
      Reptiloid 6 February 2022 07: 10
      +9
      Greetings Victor! hi I read Roman's article when there were 4 comments ... I thought and thought recourse And then it dawned on me, why such turns of speech? Yes, this article is not for us! And for those coming out-minusators who quietly sit here and grow anger. That's what! The site administrators know exactly how many there are, maybe there are a lot of malicious comments from them, (but we don’t see if they delete them?)
      1. yuriy55
        yuriy55 6 February 2022 09: 03
        0
        Quote: Reptiloid
        Yes, this article is not for us! And for those coming out-minusators who quietly sit here and grow anger. That's what! Site administrators know exactly how many of them

        Who is not registered here yesterday, they know all the ins and outs of this kitchen.
        In order to quietly and meanly pit users, you just need to minus the posts of those who answer each other (so that they think that the interlocutor feels negative towards you and your message).
        They do not insert their "comments" - it is not recommended.
        The lads did not take into account one thing, that they are calculated at a time. After their minuses, your rating does not change, because they all have negative ratings...
        hi
      2. Aviator_
        Aviator_ 6 February 2022 20: 36
        +2
        Yes, this article is not for us! And for those coming out-minusators who quietly sit here and grow anger.
        They are here, I somehow found as many as 12 organisms. Three of them - according to close-minded comments, the rest quietly noted.
        1. Reptiloid
          Reptiloid 6 February 2022 23: 13
          +2
          The bell just now reported your comment, Sergey. request It happens, and sometimes it calls to one comment several times.
          But I don't think all these organisms read the article. They probably became even more embittered. How many years have passed, such people will never change, in my opinion.
  9. sergo1914
    sergo1914 6 February 2022 07: 02
    -2
    The main advantage of Ukraine is the forelocked Cossacks in trousers and with sabers on horseback. With experience in chopping tank armadas into cabbage. What to do with it? We don't have that many psychiatric hospitals.
    1. Egoza
      Egoza 6 February 2022 07: 55
      +3
      Quote: sergo1914
      The main advantage of Ukraine is the forelocked Cossacks in trousers and with sabers on horseback

      There are no Kozaks - once, horses too - 2. There was an ensemble to them. Virsky in bloomers. Soon they won’t have enough for their pants either - the industry has stopped.
      And Butusov will scribble to reassure the "public", because there are no queues at the military registration and enlistment offices, and the equipment in the troops is at the level of 60-70%. So the "expert" scribbles "Don't be afraid, we are stronger, and the US and the EU are helping us with weapons and instructors!"
      1. Nyrobsky
        Nyrobsky 6 February 2022 12: 50
        +9
        Quote: Egoza
        Quote: sergo1914
        The main advantage of Ukraine is the forelocked Cossacks in trousers and with sabers on horseback

        There are no Kozaks - once, horses too - 2. There was an ensemble to them. Virsky in bloomers. Soon they won’t have enough for their pants either - the industry has stopped.
        And Butusov will scribble to reassure the "public", because there are no queues at the military registration and enlistment offices, and the equipment in the troops is at the level of 60-70%. So the "expert" scribbles "Don't be afraid, we are stronger, and the US and the EU are helping us with weapons and instructors!"

        For Butusov, the shortage of l / s of the Armed Forces of Ukraine is apparently an insignificant argument, the main thing is that the ukroboyets be armed with some kind of American stray. Here is the one who will take the rap for everyone, and for the rest of the payroll (but absent) personnel, the fathers, the commanders, will receive monetary allowances themselves.
        1. svoroponov
          svoroponov 8 February 2022 11: 36
          +1
          Carries for sale. Greed and not so load.
          In general, Russia has already won 90 percent.
          For Bandera and their supporters, the successes and the current state of Russia are unbearable. You have no idea how it infuriates and pisses them off. Torture!
  10. fiberboard
    fiberboard 6 February 2022 07: 33
    +11
    In the fight against the Ukrainian generals, dollars should help a lot. The higher the position of the general, the larger his suitcase with money. And to be afraid of a guerrilla war, I think it’s not very worth it. If the morals of an ordinary Ukrainian have not changed much since my military service, then they will run to rent each other for distillation, especially if they pay money for it (they gave vacations and badges in the SA).
  11. svp67
    svp67 6 February 2022 08: 01
    +9
    The absence of infantry capable of conducting independent maneuverable combat operations in isolation from armored vehicles. The motorized rifle and parachute squad of the SV and Airborne Forces of the RF Armed Forces are tied to their infantry fighting vehicles, infantry fighting vehicles and armored personnel carriers
    The stupidity is enormous and the fighting in the Caucasus showed this perfectly ... In the mountainous and wooded area, the infantry often had to act independently, and the main thing here was the skillful fire support of its actions. And fire support is primarily artillery and aviation, and the RF Armed Forces have a clear advantage in both
    Special Forces units are traditionally used as light infantry in the RF Armed Forces.
    Yes, yes, yes ... but the presence of the DShBr as part of the Airborne Forces, it’s true .... Oh, well, woe to the "theorist"
    The Ukrainian Javelin operator, using modern technology, will be able to easily and naturally hit a Russian tank at night. And the Russian side will not be able to oppose it, especially in winter, when the daylight hours are short and the thermal imager will play a downright decisive role.
    Well, that's all ... done ... Here's just one BIG "BUT" ... Did this "theorist" see how people look on the screen of a reconnaissance UAV at night? Does he understand what such a "movie" leads to? Having so far few attack UAVs, the RF Armed Forces are quite well saturated with reconnaissance UAVs, and the same gunners have excellent interaction with them. So that everyone who survives after processing the front edge with TOS and tries to be a hero will be hit by mortar fire and other artillery ...
  12. nikvic46
    nikvic46 6 February 2022 08: 09
    +3
    I hope Yuri Butusov is not the lead singer of the Nautilus Pompilius group? Why am I asking? Now many artists have signed up to be strategists on our TV channels. In the age of the Internet, it’s ridiculous to talk about stealth. Everything is at a glance. Excellent targets for the airborne forces. Infantry is needed, especially in defense. And since people are used to peacetime, a large number of attackers is not required.
    1. Andrey VOV
      Andrey VOV 6 February 2022 10: 23
      +9
      the soloist's name is Vyacheslav and thank God he is exclusively engaged in creativity and has not been noticed in any squabbles and discussions on all sorts of political topics
  13. north 2
    north 2 6 February 2022 08: 12
    +6
    Since Russia cannot and will not exist outside the status of the Empire, the issue of the borders of the primordially Russian lands thrown back 400 years ago will still have to be resolved. But this will not have to be decided by the ruler, who, having declared that the destruction of the Red Empire is the greatest catastrophe, does not correct the consequences of the catastrophe, but visits the Centers named after the destroyer to confirm the oath to the destroyers. While the ruler is such that by his behavior and actions he demonstrates a clear misunderstanding of the significance and greatness of the work and feat of Ivan the Third, Ivan the Terrible, Peter the Great, Catherine the Great and Stalin - for what and why these geniuses created and preserved Russia in the status of an Empire, about the successful development of the country out of the question . Moreover, states have now been created along the western and southern perimeter on the ancestral lands of Russia in terms of their hostility to Russia, similar to the former enemies of Russia, before the creation of the Russian Empire - the Golden Horde, Kramskoy and Kazan khanates. If this is not resolved, as Ivan the Terrible decided with Kazan, then Russia, even on its current borders, will have a danger growing every year according to the method of geometric progression. The British are already building their naval base on the Sea of ​​Azov, and
    some here complain that he has sons in Russia and his friends in Ukraine ... So against whom are these sons of his friends, being on primordially Russian lands, going to fight - against
    the British, Turks and their vassals in Kiev, or maybe against the one who came to Russia to return her ancestral lands?
    1. Pilat2009
      Pilat2009 6 February 2022 12: 09
      -5
      Quote: north 2
      the greatness of labor and feat of Ivan the Third, Ivan the Terrible, Peter the Great, Catherine the Great and Stalin - for what and why these geniuses created and preserved Russia in the status of the Empire

      And why do you think that the form of government should be an Empire? RI was a rather archaic country in terms of governance and inheritance of power, which the revolution showed. And to say that Stalin continued monarchist traditions is generally nonsense. For some reason, other countries with a different form of government they live normally, but the Russians directly dream of an emperor. Have you seen enough Star Wars films?
  14. Egoza
    Egoza 6 February 2022 08: 17
    +6
    Ha-HA-HA here on Ukrainian TV, the "responsible lady" caught up with the panic
    Whatever the air defense systems, no one is immune from the fact that Russian bombers will break into Ukraine and strike at Kiev.
    This was announced on the TV channel "Ukraine 24" by the Deputy Minister of Defense of Ukraine Anna Malyar

    And Butusov urgently rushed to write a soothing article. But I didn’t take into account that much more people watch TV than they read Obozrevatel
  15. Sergey Nikiforov
    Sergey Nikiforov 6 February 2022 08: 31
    -14
    Roman, in my eyes you have fallen below the plinth Even hypothetically consider the possibility of a war between the Slavic peoples.? Well, in this case, the Russian world will grow in the North Caucasus
    1. Aleksandr21
      Aleksandr21 6 February 2022 09: 33
      +13
      Quote: Sergey Nikiforov
      Even hypothetically consider the possibility of war between the Slavic peoples.?


      And what is happening now in the Donbass, is this not a war? It has been going on since 2014, when power in Ukraine passed to the pro-Western forces and who were not afraid to start the ATO and send an army to suppress those who disagree in Donetsk and Lugansk. And after all, soldiers / officers carry out these orders, and someone shoots / kills their brothers and sisters with pleasure .... do you think they are tormented by conscience? I highly doubt this.
      1. Sergey Nikiforov
        Sergey Nikiforov 6 February 2022 09: 37
        -9
        According to Kadyrov, about 80 civilians were killed during the two Chechen campaigns Explain
        1. Aleksandr21
          Aleksandr21 6 February 2022 10: 00
          +12
          Quote: Sergey Nikiforov
          According to Kadyrov, about 80 civilians were killed during the two Chechen campaigns Explain


          What can you explain? There was a war, of course there were civilians who died, but the situation and the comparison of Chechnya with the Donbass is not correct.

          because terrible crimes were committed in Chechnya, rampant crime, robberies, murders, etc. and with the advent of Dudayev, they began to cut on the nat. sign and kill the Russians, terrorist attacks began + there was an attempt to withdraw the republic from the country, and we naturally had to intervene and stop the mess that was.

          In the Donbass, someone killed on nat. sign? Someone cut the Ukrainians? Or maybe the LDNR staged terrorist attacks on the territory of Ukraine? Also no. An army was thrown into the Donbass because they did not recognize the new authorities of Ukraine, who came to power unconstitutionally. And this situation had to be resolved peacefully, and this could be done because. there were not terrorists in the usual sense, but people, ordinary people who did not recognize the new government. So these are very different situations and comparisons with Chechnya are incorrect here.
          1. Sergey Nikiforov
            Sergey Nikiforov 6 February 2022 10: 18
            -15
            Let's just say that there was a Chechen meeting, at which a decision was made to secede from Russia It was Look at the documents Everything else can be left as God sent to the soul But the very fact Russia opposed the attempt of Chechnya to secede from Russia Ukraine opposed the attempt of Donbass to secede from Ukraine What is the difference.? About the rampant banditry, well, this must be borne in mind and the propaganda bias. Although if I demolish entire settlements with aviation, So the comparison is quite correct
            1. Aleksandr21
              Aleksandr21 6 February 2022 11: 27
              +12
              Do I understand correctly now that you put the terrorists on the same line that you carried out the attacks on Dubrovka, in Beslan, Budyonnovsk and the LDNR militia? And you don't see the difference? After all, the attempt to declare the independence of Chechnya is continuously connected with terrorist attacks, massacres, including on the nat. sign and for information, Russia has been negotiating with such scumbags for several years, and only when they tried everything did they move on to cleaning up.

              Ukraine did not have such a need, especially since the status of legitimacy of the self-proclaimed republics at that time was higher, because. the new authorities for the Donbass turned out to be nobody, because none of the voters chose Turchinov, Yatsenyuk, Poroshenko, but they voted for Yanukovych, whom the West abandoned and the inhabitants of the regions (Donetsk and Luhansk republics) themselves chose the new authorities and they had the right to do so. Further, the question was not about separation from Ukraine (initially), but about securing the status of the Russian Language and the rights of the Russian-speaking citizens of the republic, who were infringed by the new authorities of Ukraine (this was not the case in Chechnya) + Minsk agreements were concluded according to which Donbass remained part of Ukraine, but the rights of its citizens and a special status were enshrined in the constitution, and if Ukraine wanted to peacefully resolve this issue, then the problem of Donbass would have been resolved long ago. So there are a lot of differences in fact .... and the situations I emphasize again, they are very different.
              1. Sergey Nikiforov
                Sergey Nikiforov 6 February 2022 12: 02
                -18
                Well. let's say it's in the mentality of Budenovsk Dubrovenka, of course, terrorism We don't discuss A carpet bombing of Semashek, and how was it qualified.?
        2. Andrey VOV
          Andrey VOV 6 February 2022 10: 26
          +9
          How many civilians were killed during the two Chechen wars, only the Lord God and Allah knows for sure, as in any war, it is very difficult to calculate the number of civilians .. besides, during the day it is peaceful, and in the evening it beats from the ruins of AKM or even worse with SVD. .go take it apart..
          1. Sergey Nikiforov
            Sergey Nikiforov 6 February 2022 10: 46
            -6
            Yes, no one argues. War is scary. No one argues that he is a civilian during the day. In Afghanistan, a dense grandfather made a hole in my belly during a round of the village after the battles. But there is no need for such categorical comments, as my counterpart told me.
    2. Andrey VOV
      Andrey VOV 6 February 2022 10: 24
      +6
      And what. Few Slavs fought against each other? Yes, as much as you like, unfortunately
    3. PavelV
      PavelV 6 February 2022 10: 36
      +7
      The war started in 2014. Thanks to the Ukrainian nationalists raised on Western money.

      Well, your pathetic exclamation about the "war between the Slavic peoples" .... for a millennium, the Slavic peoples have been fighting each other. Have you heard of Yugoslavia?
      About the Russian-Polish and Russian-Lithuanian (most of the "Lithuania" of that time is Belarus and pieces of Ukraine) wars?
      1. Sergey Nikiforov
        Sergey Nikiforov 6 February 2022 10: 41
        -8
        Well then, say hello to our sun-faced about the Russian world
  16. Amateur
    Amateur 6 February 2022 08: 51
    +14
    At the risk of a ban from the VO administration, I will still say:
    1. It's hard to even imagine a more stupid article than this one. Only those who provoke this possible conflict can discuss the possibility of a Russian attack on Ukraine.
    2. To seriously discuss the nonsense of a Ukrainian journalist about comparing the two armies is possible only by descending to the level of this journalist.
    3. I am sure that this will never happen, but today no one will be able to say how the population of Ukraine will behave in the event of "peace enforcement" of the armed detachments of the Ukronazis. And 75% of the case depends on this. Another 10% will depend on Russian generals. I hope that after 8-8-8 there are no "commanders" who command troops from the crowd of journalists on a mobile phone in the Russian army.
    1. Vadim237
      Vadim237 6 February 2022 18: 31
      -5
      Russian generals do not have such experience - fighting with an enemy of equal numbers as the Armed Forces of Ukraine on an area the size of Ukraine - this is not Chechnya, nor Georgia, nor Syria in the latter, by the way, the Syrian troops helped us, or rather, their remnants helped - they took on most of the ground operation .
  17. Dimy4
    Dimy4 6 February 2022 09: 05
    +5
    In what ways are the Armed Forces of Ukraine superior to the Armed Forces of the Russian Federation?

    In the amount of idiots. in among the leadership.
  18. Konnick
    Konnick 6 February 2022 09: 08
    -3
    And I would comment on the "superiority" of the Armed Forces of Ukraine with a joke

    “Ilya Muromets went to fight with the Serpent Gorynych. A day goes by, two goes by, suddenly he sees a cave. He looked into it and shouts:
    - Serpent Gorynych, come out, we will fight!
    And the answer is silence. He again:
    - Serpent Gorynych, come out, we will fight!
    Silence. He is the third time:
    - Serpent Gorynych, come out, we will fight!
    “Well, fight, fight like that, but why yell in .....?”
  19. Scharnhorst
    Scharnhorst 6 February 2022 09: 35
    +1
    I am very surprised that neither the original source nor the present analysis mention the decisive advantage of the Armed Forces of Ukraine in the morale and combat qualities of the Ukrainian soldier and the monolithic unity of the Ukrainian society and people, united more than ever by the ideas of the Euromaidan and European integration along the Juche. After all, in the event of Russian aggression in Ukraine, we will face much more patriotism, self-sacrifice and the will to win of the Ukrainian people than the American imperialists in Korea and Vietnam. I sprinkle ashes on my head...
    1. Li17
      Li17 6 February 2022 12: 49
      +3
      I also noticed this while communicating with my people in Ukraine. And even from the older generation to a greater extent. Youth don't care!
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    1. VORON538
      VORON538 6 February 2022 14: 32
      +6
      The fact of the matter is that not Russia is going to fight with Ukraine, but Ukraine is going to go to war with Russia. In order to understand this, it is enough to go through Ukrainian news agencies on the world wide web for a couple of days. hi Plus the importation of weapons to Ukraine, foreign military personnel on the territory of an "independent" country, plus publications by Western media. hi And it is Russia who wants to fight? foolLooks like you're an intruder.
      1. YES UZH
        YES UZH 6 February 2022 20: 59
        +1
        It looks like the "friends" of Ukraine will no longer let her jump off, the prelude has gone too far. Many leaders of those interested came to support or say goodbye.
        The national battalions are preparing to fight in the cities, under the cover of the civilian population, they hope for this in order to neutralize the advantage in aviation, artillery, etc. They do not feel sorry for South-Eastern Ukraine.
    2. Motorist
      Motorist 6 February 2022 16: 14
      +4
      Quote: Lair
      how to influence the leadership of the Russian Federation so that they do not fight with Ukraine?

      What are they going to? Did you read this in Bloomberg yesterday?
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  22. Old Horseradish
    Old Horseradish 6 February 2022 09: 56
    0
    Play off a single Slavic people, drown them in blood, and get a lot of dough on this. Everything is as usual. Nothing new. We now have Chinese blood brothers, and Ukrainians are sworn enemies. History teaches fools nothing.
  23. Klingon
    Klingon 6 February 2022 10: 02
    -12
    This is how the picture is seen: a burnt Skakuas corpse with inverted entrails and bulging eyes, but proudly squeezing Javelin with torn off hands ... That's bad luck, and the bastard Pinocchio farted wassat
  24. Essex62
    Essex62 6 February 2022 10: 21
    +9
    Russians shouldn't kill Russians. There are so few of us, very few for a vast territory. An aging nation with very poor reproduction. The situation with the Ukronatsiks is complicated, but it should be solved by political methods and not by a fratricidal war, with dubious consequences. We need to think about how to remove the abscess of Westerners who have captured the outskirts of the Russian land. Surgically.
    Let the mattresses ask how it's done. They have flower beds with a bang. It's long and expensive, but the results are worth it. Let the wrestlers fork out for the holy idea of ​​the liberation of the Russian people of the outskirts. Not all the stars of "heroes" should be hung over the bridge.
  25. riwas
    riwas 6 February 2022 10: 33
    +1
    In an article by the Ukrainian edition of Obozrevatel, in the article "In what way the Armed Forces of Ukraine are superior to the Armed Forces of the Russian Federation: 5 main shortcomings of the Armed Forces of the Russian Federation and 5 advantages of the Armed Forces of Ukraine", author Yuriy Butusov considers "the clash of two armies in a big war

    So there will be no big war. The Ukrainian army will suffer fatal losses by aviation, missiles and artillery, and that will be the end of it.
  26. Konstantin Shevchenko
    Konstantin Shevchenko 6 February 2022 11: 00
    +7
    In the courtyard of the 21st century. Why arrange a meat grinder? It is enough to strike at couch experts - those who want war, including the president. And the army will go home. What will she do without the Super Cyber ​​Commander?
    PS: Do not judge this expert strictly :)
  27. TermNachTer
    TermNachTer 6 February 2022 11: 05
    +7
    You can't read all of this. It is enough to know that Butusov, the ekperd, did not even serve in the army as a private))) all his adult life - a paid journo)))
  28. PavelV
    PavelV 6 February 2022 11: 30
    +4
    Well, apparently I will have to (from my sofa) stand up for the APU a little - not because of special love or fear, if anything.
    In this case, there is a noteworthy moment - in the case of full-scale databases, Mr. Butusov subconsciously wants to arrange (by proxy, of course) Grozny. In case of success - "New Year's assault", in the worst case - a siege from the Second Chechen War.
    After all, the "New Year's Storm" has a younger and more successful brother - the Thunder Run of the Americans in Baghdad in 2003. There, American mechanized columns entered the city, set up a network of strongholds at road junctions, and seized the administrative buildings of the Iraqi capital. As a result, the command in Baghdad faced an unexpected task - now they had to (practically on foot) attack the hastily fortified American troops, advancing along the open spaces of avenues and highways.
    I suspect that ATGMs can be supplied for two purposes - and one of them is precisely the obstruction of the Thunder Run by Russian troops. Well, i.e. more effective anti-tank weapons will make it possible to stop similar columned weapons on the march. (The second goal may be the deployment of guerrilla warfare, which the Americans openly fantasize about).
    Well, knowing about such a possibility of the RF Armed Forces, as I think it is supposed to be "on the other side", we will have to move on to a longer strategy for the siege of these cities. This will potentially worsen the attitude of the local population and will definitely delay the campaign.
    Of course, all of the above is based on the conditional correctness of two prerequisites that are fundamentally unverifiable at this stage.
    1. Russia will send troops to the territory of Ukraine (I think this will happen if the Armed Forces of Ukraine attack in the Donbass).
    2. All Ukrainian paramilitary formations will fight at least to some extent.
  29. Peaceful Basmach
    Peaceful Basmach 6 February 2022 11: 45
    -2
    Hello everyone! I don’t know what to prepare, exercises or protection of our borders. But in Kursk and the region, movements of various military equipment, including helicopter flights, have been repeatedly seen!
  30. Dizel200
    Dizel200 6 February 2022 11: 54
    -1
    And I probably alone have such a strong feeling that this is a dispute between couch strategists who are completely far from the army?
  31. Li17
    Li17 6 February 2022 12: 42
    0
    Quote: svp67
    The fact that there will be a war between our countries became clear back in 2014.

    I watched a speech by a Canadian officer (like a captain-commander) on Ukrainian TV for a long time, the meaning is this. When he was in Moscow in the representative office of the Armed Forces of Ukraine, one rank let him down, pointed to the General Staff (it seems to be so, although there may be another object ...), declaring that they will fight with us! The Canadian was surprised! Considering today's realities ... this was really being prepared back in calm times!
  32. Li17
    Li17 6 February 2022 12: 45
    +1
    Quote: Old Fuck
    Fools history does not teach anything.

    Well, right about us! No wonder Ivan is our national ....
  33. Li17
    Li17 6 February 2022 12: 46
    +2
    Quote: Essex62
    Russians shouldn't kill Russians

    So we can be killed...
  34. tihonmarine
    tihonmarine 6 February 2022 13: 10
    +2
    And here I am once again ready to applaud Pan Butusov. And, seriously. He's right! He is really right! In order to enter the war with Russia and hold out there for more than a week, the Armed Forces of Ukraine must be reformed and equipped, as if it were the army of a decent country.

    I completely agree with Roman here, but I also need to add that in order to wage war, the country must also be economically rich, and not standing on the porch with an outstretched hand. Such countries, after the end of the war, break up into small limitrophes, or they are devoured by their neighbors (a start has already been made).
    1. Timofey Astakhov
      Timofey Astakhov April 28 2022 23: 53
      0
      enter the war with Russia and hold out there for more than a week


      a story about how the third month actually goes "one week"
  35. iouris
    iouris 6 February 2022 13: 21
    0
    Let the General Staff do the comparative analysis. This is the place that develops plans of operations in the event of a political decision.
  36. garik77
    garik77 6 February 2022 13: 28
    +5
    The "heater" smokes and stinks as usual. So citing their opinion can only be an example of complete idiocy and naked dill propaganda
  37. wow
    wow 6 February 2022 13: 30
    +2
    And this "body" served at least one day in the army ??? Looks like no .
  38. silver_roman
    silver_roman 6 February 2022 14: 03
    +5
    If we consider an exclusively hypothetical situation of a war between the Armed Forces of Ukraine and the Armed Forces of the Russian Federation, then this is one thing, but if we talk about realities, then I bet that there will be no military action due to the fact that this is extremely stupid and Putin will not allow this under any circumstances. Why kill the Armed Forces of Ukraine if you can make it your own or use it in your own way, having previously cleared it of the Nazis. It must be understood that Ukraine is not boring as part of the Russian Federation, it is needed as part of a union state.
    1. Timofey Astakhov
      Timofey Astakhov April 28 2022 23: 51
      0
      there will be no military action due to the fact that this is extremely stupid and Putin will not allow this in any case

      sure sure.
  39. 2112vda
    2112vda 6 February 2022 14: 07
    +3
    The disadvantage or advantage of the Armed Forces of Ukraine and the Russian army is that in both armies there are blood relatives, friends and just buddies. It's the impudent Saxons who want us to kill each other. Why do we need this? Shooting at your relatives is already beyond.
  40. Victor Tsenin
    Victor Tsenin 6 February 2022 14: 09
    +1
    >I didn’t understand a little why Bayraktar should highlight the enemy’s battle formations, especially to such a depth.

    Focused on militants? Red dots appear and everyone freezes in horror)
  41. Berg berg
    Berg berg 6 February 2022 14: 10
    +1
    What is the superiority of all, you ask? We answer, in sycophancy to the owner - America!
  42. Commander
    Commander 6 February 2022 14: 37
    +7
    I read some comments here and see the work of IPSO from Brovar)). The idea that Russia is preparing to attack Ukraine is presented as an axiom, and reasoning begins in the spirit of Goebbels' leaflets: "The commissars are deceiving you, surrender, the Germans have cigarettes and hot soup." Russia will never attack Ukraine first. Combat operations are possible only if Ukraine rushes to the LDNR in order to quickly capture in the Balkan style. Screams that Russian soldiers are fighting for the bourgeoisie and Abramovich's yachts are the usual enemy propaganda.
    1. huntsman650
      huntsman650 6 February 2022 17: 46
      +2
      The only correct and real comment. And all this hysteria of omeriki is connected with this)))
  43. slave
    slave 6 February 2022 15: 04
    +7
    It is necessary to live peacefully with the coun- tries , be it a great war for Ukraine and Russia. Whoever, having unleashed the Friend of the world, is trying to re-unleash the war and profit from it. The American economy has made a lot of money for 2 worlds, history repeats itself, only not to our own retribution, sorry.
    1. svp67
      svp67 6 February 2022 18: 38
      +2
      Quote from Sklavin
      It is necessary to live peacefully with the coun- tries , be it a great war for Ukraine and Russia. Whoever, having unleashed the Friend of the world, is trying to re-unleash the war and profit from it. The American economy has made a lot of money for 2 worlds, history repeats itself, only not to our own retribution, sorry.

      Excuse me, I will translate, otherwise many here did not study the Ukrainian language
      "You have to live peacefully with neighbors, any war for Ukraine and Russia is a big trouble. Whoever unleashed the Second World War is trying to unleash a war again and cash in on it. The American economy earned a lot of money in the Second World War, history repeats itself, but not in our favor , it's a pity..."
      I agree, I’ll add on my own that the United States did not earn bad money in the First World War either ...
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    1. garik77
      garik77 6 February 2022 16: 01
      +5
      The whole point is that the outskirts are not a subject, but an object. Whatever the Gauleiter from the American Embassy orders, it will be. And he can order anything. Or maybe just competently pollute the brains, as in 2008 he did with a tie-eater. And then the glorious team forces will be thrown into another meat grinder.
    2. Commander
      Commander 6 February 2022 16: 02
      +1
      Canned food is opened all over the place. Lead him to fratricidal war....
  45. Evil Bender
    Evil Bender 6 February 2022 16: 12
    -6
    Argue, not sport, but they will order and let's go to war. Enemy in front, commander behind. Our job is to follow orders.
  46. Lair
    Lair 6 February 2022 16: 17
    -5
    Quote: Angry Bender
    Argue, not sport, but they will order and let's go to war. Enemy in front, commander behind. Our job is to follow orders.

    If there are absolutely no brains, then follow criminal orders. But remember how the Wehrmacht and the SS ended (they, too, when they were tried, insisted that they were soldiers and were obliged to follow orders).
    1. Evil Bender
      Evil Bender 6 February 2022 16: 42
      -3
      Want to go fraternize. Many of them came to the Donetsk people. History is written by the winner. Whoever wins is right. And we are not SS. we are not going to fight the civilian population. And about the brotherhood, it was good to listen to all this at a conversation with political workers
  47. acetophenone
    acetophenone 6 February 2022 16: 20
    +2
    No, guys, the moment has passed. If Russia wants to really do something in Ukraine, it will have to fight. Time good word passed. Now only kind word and a gun.
    And first, a gun.
    1. Lair
      Lair 6 February 2022 16: 31
      -3
      Quote: acetophenon
      No, guys, the moment has passed. If Russia wants to really do something in Ukraine, it will have to fight. The time for a kind word has passed. Now only a kind word and a gun.
      And first, a gun.

      Read the appeal of General Ivashov, who opposed the war with Ukraine. Ready to subscribe to every word. http://ooc.su/news/obrashhenie_obshherossijskogo_oficerskogo_sobranija_k_prezidentu_i_grazhdanam_rossijskoj_federacii/2022-01-31-79
      1. svp67
        svp67 6 February 2022 18: 47
        +1
        Quote: Lair
        Read the appeal of General Ivashov, who opposed the war with Ukraine. Ready to subscribe to every word.

        It?
        [media=https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=g9OL4zLThDg]
      2. Commander
        Commander 6 February 2022 21: 00
        +1
        Oh, already, as if on command, they began to promote this idiot Ivashov. No one is going to fight with your Ukraine, calm down. Sit on the priest exactly and you will be happy.
        1. Timofey Astakhov
          Timofey Astakhov April 28 2022 23: 48
          0
          No one is going to fight with your Ukraine, calm down

          and again bgg
    2. slave
      slave 6 February 2022 20: 36
      +3
      Do not help, it is necessary to fight with your brain, not with a pistol. If the USA wants to drag Russia into the war, it’s not viable, it’s deadly for Ukraine, didn’t you understand?
  48. Lair
    Lair 6 February 2022 16: 29
    -4
    Quote: Motorist
    Quote: Lair
    how to influence the leadership of the Russian Federation so that they do not fight with Ukraine?

    What are they going to? Did you read this in Bloomberg yesterday?

    No, we simply dragged all the troops to the border with Ukraine, put forward unrealistic demands on NATO and the United States, and began a large-scale transfer of troops to Belarus under the guise of exercises. We are joking like that.....You would think that the West did not understand our cute jokes and started a new "cold war" and began to forcefully arm Ukraine and transfer NATO troops to Eastern Europe.
  49. Lair
    Lair 6 February 2022 16: 41
    -4
    Quote: Commander
    Canned food is opened all over the place. Lead him to fratricidal war....

    Here, another canned Bandera fighter was opened besides me, Colonel General Ivashov L.G. He suddenly showed his treacherous nature - he wrote an appeal against Russia's war with Ukraine. He also believes that such a war will lead to disaster for both Russia and Ukraine. Please read his appeal thoughtfully, maybe some new thoughts will visit your head. If we all do not start to think soberly, then soon there will be no Russia, Ukraine and Russians (White Russia too). But you can still fix everything before it's too late.
    http://ooc.su/news/obrashhenie_obshherossijskogo_oficerskogo_sobranija_k_prezidentu_i_grazhdanam_rossijskoj_federacii/2022-01-31-79
    1. svp67
      svp67 6 February 2022 18: 48
      +1
      Quote: Lair
      Here, another canned Bandera man was opened besides me, Colonel-General Ivashov L.G.

      [media=https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=g9OL4zLThDg]
    2. vladcub
      vladcub 6 February 2022 21: 22
      +2
      Actually, Ivashov is already a grandfather and he has senile glitches
  50. Lair
    Lair 6 February 2022 16: 47
    0
    Quote: Angry Bender
    Want to go fraternize. Many of them came to the Donetsk people. History is written by the winner. Whoever wins is right. And we are not SS. we are not going to fight the civilian population. And about the brotherhood, it was good to listen to all this at a conversation with political workers

    This war will lead to disaster for both Ukraine (very, very quickly) and Russia (it will suffer a little more before death). There will be no winners, since the consequences for the Russian Federation, which will undoubtedly win this war, will be terrible.
    1. Evil Bender
      Evil Bender 6 February 2022 16: 56
      0
      If an order is given, then it must be carried out. Failure to follow orders on the battlefield is a CRIME. With reasoning about the correctness-incorrectness of the order leads to the collapse of the army and chaos. That's when everything really kirdyk
    2. vladcub
      vladcub 6 February 2022 21: 26
      +2
      Lair, are you going to fight? As they say, a flag in my hands and a drum around my neck, and I will go under the soft side of a woman.