Erdogan at a meeting with Zelensky: Turkey supports Ukraine's sovereignty over Crimea

President of Ukraine Volodymyr Zelensky met with Turkish leader Recep Tayyip Erdogan in Kiev. It lasted three hours and ten minutes, after which a briefing was held.

Erdogan was invited to Kiev by his Ukrainian counterpart to take part in the 10th meeting of the Strategic Council.

The Turkish leader greeted the guard of honor in Ukrainian with the Bandera slogan "Glory to Ukraine!", receiving a standard response from him.

Cumhurbaşkanı Erdoğan
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- TC Cumhurbaşkanlığı (@tcbestepe) February 3, 2022

The main thing Erdogan agreed upon at a meeting with Zelensky was the creation of a free trade zone and a contract for the construction of a plant for the production of drones Bayraktar for the Ukrainian army and an agreement "on cooperation in the field of high technologies, aviation and space industries. The agreement was signed by the head of the Ministry of Defense of Ukraine and the Turkish Minister of Industry Mustafa Varank.

The Turkish leader also touched upon the issue of the territorial integrity of Nezalezhnaya. He stated that Turkey fully supports the sovereignty of Ukraine, including over Crimea.

At the meeting, the Turkish president assured his interlocutor that Ankara would do its best to help maintain peace and security in the Black Sea region. He called on all countries to act with restraint, remain calm and use only peaceful methods, and resolve all differences through dialogue.

Erdogan stressed that Ankara is closely monitoring all the challenges facing Kiev, including its difficult relationship with Moscow. Therefore, he confirmed his proposal to make Turkey a platform for Russian-Ukrainian negotiations on resolving the situation in Donbas within the framework of the Minsk agreements. Erdogan announced his readiness to provide a place for bilateral negotiations between Zelensky and Putin. The Ukrainian president does not seem to mind changing Minsk to Istanbul, all that remains is to ask the head of the Russian state.

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- TC Cumhurbaşkanlığı (@tcbestepe) February 3, 2022

As for Zelensky, he expressed deep gratitude to Erdogan for taking care of Ukraine and said that the place of the meeting does not play a special role, as long as the negotiations are successful.

It doesn't matter where exactly you can put an end to the war. It is important that everyone is ready for this

- the Ukrainian president said with his characteristic pathos, declaring once again that he was ready to do everything possible to establish peace.

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[hohohol]

As for Zelensky, he expressed his deep gratitude to Erdogan for taking care of Ukraine

Oh Vovik, Vovik! We must always remember that the East is a deceitful business.

[ALARI]

What Vovik are you talking about?

[kitpit]

He wrote about two

[alystan]

He wrote twice, and not about two.

[Shurik70]

Well, the only new thing is that there will be a factory for the production of Turkish drones in Ukraine.
For the rest, nothing has changed.
That Erdogan is not our friend has long been known.

[the most important]

Quote: Shurik70

That Erdogan is not our friend has long been known.

Unfortunately, not everyone knows this. Those who decided to build a nuclear power plant for 22 dollars in Turkey at the expense of Russia do not know about it. And those who delivered the S-000 to Turkey have no idea either. I don’t understand why arm and develop the enemy’s industry ???

[Shurik70]

Quote: the most important

Unfortunately, not everyone knows this. Those who decided to build a nuclear power plant for 22 dollars in Turkey at the expense of Russia do not know about it. And those who delivered the S-000 to Turkey have no idea either. I don’t understand why arm and develop the enemy’s industry ???

10% of the Turkish population will pay for Russia's electricity. It will pay off in 8-10 years. And then comes the profit.
S-400 is a defensive weapon. In addition, the supply of these weapons slightly quarreled Turkey with the United States and forced the United States to look for other suppliers of components for the F-35
Not so bad, in my opinion.

[Alexander widerkehr]

You are well done " . To hell with him that Erdogan gave the order to shoot down the Russian plane, the Russians died. And do not care that in Karabakh, with the help of the Turks, the army of Russia's ally was completely destroyed. In Syria, where Russia is helping an ally of the Assad regime, they are at home. The main thing is money. Take revenge on the Turks, build something else for the Turks with the money of rich Russia.

[Alexander widerkehr]

Yes, and even Russia is a rich country, but not for everyone. Open right now or tomorrow RBC. Look on the right there will be a child who needs an operation. Write to him what is more important for you his life or profit from Turkey. Shame on Putin's ruling regime. Help everyone but your own. Russian women are still giving birth, and the profits will go away.

[Alexander widerkehr]

Do you remember how Vova said that terrible sanctions for the dead Russians await Turkey. What a serious face. You won't get off with tomatoes alone. Also added oranges.

[Vladimir Mashkov]

Quote: Shurik70

That Erdogan is not our friend has long been known.

It's like that. But what kind of "leader Erdogan", who dreams of a new Ottoman Empire, is two-faced! If he goes to one, he says one thing, if he goes to another, he says the opposite. Dreaming of a third!

[MrTulandra]

What Vovik are you talking about

About Ilyich...

[nnm]

Well, this news is similar to those that in Ukraine are happy that some foreign media, a leader, etc. will say that Crimea is Ukrainian. Immediately joyful squeal. And vice versa - a tragedy, if Crimea is marked Russian on the map, then immediately hysteria. Well, what difference does it make to Erdogan's opinion? Or did he say something new? As I understand it, we also do not specifically recognize the Turkish Republic of Northern Cyprus as the territory of Turkey.
They can say the word "halva" at least a hundred times, but it won't get any sweeter in their mouth.
It is important for me that we know which state Crimea is part of, and I don’t care about the opinion of the Erdogan dogs.

[Alexandr bogun]

The point here is not that they squeal or say, but if you look at what the Turks themselves write about everything that they signed, then there is a very interesting document in numbers. The Turks will receive a decent amount of technology in the defense industry, namely in the aviation and space sectors. Of course, we can joke about this plan, but the fact remains that Ukraine did not get bad from the Soviet Union with launch vehicles and institutions, and with engines in the aviation niche. Also, with tank building there, not everything is as bad as we think, and the Turks write that something also appears there, so far without specific details, I think we will find out in more detail soon. But this is about the Turks, and Ukraine gets even more from this whole FTA, at least 2,5% of GDP growth. Considering that in 2021 it was 3% for them, and now plus 2,5%, it’s not bad that they signed it, and we are all looking at what the Sultan said about Crimea or how he welcomed Bandera. Normally, Azerbaijan and Georgia are being squeezed out of us, and now they have also pulled Ukraine into their sphere of influence. And now you need to understand that with any attempts to reason with the sharavarniks, in addition to the Americans, the Turks will also get in, and now with an understandable pretext, there are billions of them every year from trade and security is tied to products from Ukraine. You need to look into the depths, and not like the majority here, just to write abstract jokes without understanding the seriousness of what is happening to make out.

[nnm]

2.5% GDP growth Ukraine will receive? Where does such data come from? Actually, Turkey has been promoting this free trade area for a long time, but Ukraine resisted for many years, because it is not profitable. The Union of Producers of Ukraine (or something like that name) has already made a statement that this agreement will be extremely unprofitable for Ukraine.

[Alexandr bogun]

The article writes that the Turks lifted restrictions on almost one and a half thousand goods, and significantly reduced customs duties by the same amount. I don’t know what is there and how, but the Turks themselves write that they mainly get a significant plus in the defense sphere from this FTA, and sharavarniks in the economy. I don’t think it makes sense to lie, this is not about bases on Venus, but quite understandable earthly things.

[nnm]

I didn’t quite understand your answer ... you are talking about an increase of 2.5% of Ukraine's GDP, but he justifies this with Turkey's statements ...

[Alexandr bogun]

I say what I read, but how it is and what I don’t know. We will see what will happen in reality, but from what the Turks write, the contract is not abstract, but quite working and understandable. Specifics have not yet been disclosed. I think within a couple of days we will find out exactly the numbers.

[SSR]

Quote: nnm

2.5% GDP growth Ukraine will receive? Where does such data come from? Actually, Turkey has been promoting this FTA for a long time, but Ukraine resisted for many years, because it is not profitable.

Short.

[Andrei Nikolaevich]

No need to worry so much about Ukraine. This is both good and bad. The sooner Ukraine destroys itself and its economy, the better for us. For it is impossible to endure this misunderstanding at one's own borders.

[Azis]

Quote: nnm

agreement would be extremely unfavorable

Russia has an FTA with all the CIS countries and those that came out of it + agreements with Vietnam, Serbia, Iran ... + the Eurasian Union. Is it profitable, perhaps, or is it a matter of political and economic influence?

[Aleksandr21]

Quote: Azis

Russia has an FTA with all the CIS countries and those that came out of it + agreements with Vietnam, Serbia, Iran ... + the Eurasian Union. Is it profitable, perhaps, or is it a matter of political and economic influence?

For Russia, this is beneficial, since we can supply these countries with goods with a high added value, for which there is no demand in the EU or the USA (but only for raw materials and energy resources). But is it profitable for Ukraine to open its market for cheap Turkish goods? What do you think? For the population, of course, this is definitely a plus, since goods will become cheaper + the military-industrial complex will receive new contracts and some kind of technology, but you can put an end to the light and heavy industry of Ukraine, because. they will not withstand competition with Turkish manufacturers and Ukraine will be able to supply only raw materials from which Turkey will produce goods and return to Ukraine at a completely different cost :) + there will be a leak of Ukrainian military technology (in aviation, helicopter building, tank building, etc.) and another competitor will appear in the arms market ..... so the benefit of Ukraine is extremely doubtful, but Turkey can be congratulated on a new market.

[Sebastian Aristarkhovich Pereira]

It's not difficult to pull over Ukraine .... So "weak" girls are pulled over - whoever gives money, that's the girl! And she, this girl, is happy, especially when Big Billy, he rules the girls, doesn’t mind that someone will “dance” his faithful, but very walking young lady a little! It will shift part of the financial burden onto other people's shoulders ....

[Alexandr bogun]

Well, if it’s easier for you to watch when the Turks took Azerbaijan away from under us, and now Ukraine, then let’s sneer. It's also easier to ignore flaws.

[Sebastian Aristarkhovich Pereira]

And you don’t cross from Ukraine .... there are girls in the Transcaucasus. Count the entire Baltic states and the former Soviet republics with the countries of the former socialist camp. I'm talking about the fact that almost all of the former fall under those who give money and then "dance" as much as they want. And Ukraine is now among the "favorites". You understand what and why in this story, but blame me for snickering! This is a simple statement of today's situation with our former "brother"!

[Alexandr bogun]

It's funny just to read many here, then they are all our brothers, then corrupt girls. The fact that the whole Baltic and many in the Caucasus are looking for benefits is a fact, but why should they go? They act in their own interests as it suits them, we act in ours. But according to your logic, it is "interests" for us to go into alliances with someone, and in their case "to lie under someone." Here we need to look soberly, according to this logic, are we also falling under China, or are we acting in our own interests? As for me, it's about money, both with us and with them. If we could offer something weighty and irreplaceable for them, then they would gnaw the earth and ask at our doorstep. And so we have what we have, but bullying in all directions will not give anything, this is a defensive reaction instead of thinking what is wrong and how to return it to our orbit.

[Sebastian Aristarkhovich Pereira]

There are no more questions for you. And it’s a pity in parting that everything in your logic is subordinated to money .... Your ancestors, when they created Russia, also thought how and under whom to lie down ?! Roofing felts under the Germans, when they were lowered under the ice, roofing felts under the Mongols ?! Did Kutuzov, Suvorov and Zhukov also think about money ?! They did not know then that later there would be prudent, practical and rational descendants ...

[Azis]

Quote: Sebastian Aristarkhovich Pereira

Your ancestors, when they created Russia, also thought how and under whom to lie down ?!

Dear Pereira! The ancestors created what is now systematically destroyed. Kutuzov, Suvorov, Yermak, Dobrynya Nikitich... Yes, they did not know that it was possible to destroy a country, a state, and a generation later try to collect it all. Other elites have already been born there, and in our country those who have screwed into the new "elites" - for them the achievements of their ancestors remained in the history textbooks of the hated Soviet period. And money..Money, or rather their acquisitiveness in any way, for them now is the ideology that is absent in the Constitution of Russia.

[Sebastian Aristarkhovich Pereira]

Dear Aziz! Some time will pass and you, like me, will move into the category of those very ancestors, and therefore it depends on us what our descendants will say about us. The statement of the existence of problems and shortcomings does not correct them, only work and deeds. Raise children correctly, make the right decisions, live in good conscience and our descendants will have a desire to say about us - they built and preserved the country, and did not whine, did not lie down under mattresses or tolerant Europeans!

[Kaufman]

That's the character .... Armor-piercing.
Peter 1 also, in your opinion, fell under the Germans and the Dutch ?! And when did Catherine II rule? - she is never Russian at all. And when did the ROC receive labels from the khans of the Golden Horde?

[Sebastian Aristarkhovich Pereira]

Do not distort, comrade .... Peter the Great did exactly more for Russia than you did with your love and three years of extra-long service. And if it’s about Catherine, then she was a thousand times more Russian than local lovers to cheat their history! It is strange that you do not understand how Russia experienced its history. It was sold and betrayed, not only Peters and Catherines came, but also "grishki otrepyevs with false Dmitrys and Gorbachevs" .... Where are they? They are dust, and Russia is alive, living and. I am sure it will live! Of course, individual characters will try to belittle and debunk, rewrite and distort, but History and Russia will somehow survive this, as well as the changing shoes of former brothers and neighbors. Thirty years is a part of a person's life, but a moment in history, and therefore we will not rush, time will put everything in its place!

P.S. Not armor-piercing, but convinced and having his own opinion, unlike many.

[Andrei Nikolaevich]

Pereira, I support. We have a lot of "gentle and loving Ukraine" here. Only capable of whining and sighing "Oh, how good it used to be." Let Ukraine "dance" all who want. At the same time, let them take on her debts. Not counting the debt of the USSR, which the forelock government does not want to return. For all these 30 years, Ukraine has honestly earned the right to disappear from the world map. Erase and not remember. Like this country didn't exist.

[Alexandr bogun]

We have a lot of "gentle and loving Ukraine" here.

How much is one or two? Or maybe everyone in your country loves Ukraine, who tries to joke in the comments or not to tear their vest? But even with these, there are only a few of them. The bulk of them come to see how well everything is with us, and all the rest rot. I love my country and have rewound three years under the contract beyond the deadline, but to consider that everything around is dust, and we are beyond civilization, this is not mine. Already some considered themselves better than others, almost every Soviet and Russian family remembers the result. But here on the forum it's not popular to think like that.

[Kaufman]

I love my country and rewound three years under the contract over the deadline
fine! You write correctly! Your opponents are just stupidly trying to earn pluses.

[Rubi0]

All this is just a theory, but in fact “Average import duties on Ukrainian goods in Turkey under the terms of the FTA will be about 10%.

As for the conditions signed by the Ukrainian side, it is worth noting a noticeable reduction or zeroing of import duties on most Turkish imports. The average duty rate will be reduced to 0,5%.” That is, as we can see, the reduction in duties by Ukraine and Turkey is clearly asymmetric. Now imagine Turkish things, tomatoes and others will be imported without duties, and scrap metal will be exported and also without duties. While Europe and Russia have introduced protective duties, their factories are not enough. Due to what and how will the industry of Ukraine compete and grow by as much as 2.5%. This is pure politics and the surrender of interests for political and military cooperation.

[Alex777]

Akhmetov sorry...

[1976AG]

Before investing big money in anything, a smart investor usually assesses the risks so as not to end up with a nose. If the Turks believe that it is possible to invest in Ukraine, then no one is to blame for this, they are in perfect control of the situation. Put the loot in the toilet, and then fight for it? They themselves are to blame.

[Kaufman]

It’s normal for us to squeeze Azerbaijan and Georgia, -

the most surprising thing, but the Turks seem to be seriously going to squeeze Armenia out .. The Yerevan-Istanbul flight has been launched, the reconciliation commission has been created and is working, apparently there are already bribed politicians.

[Avior]

we also do not particularly recognize the Turkish Republic of Northern Cyprus as the territory of Turkey.

Turkey does not recognize it as a territory of Turkey

[Palmyra]

Let's just say .. Erdogan simply omitted the details that the release of Bayraktars is his family's personal business. Nothing personal just business. And the opening of the market for Turkey, Ze's "brilliant" idea, is to destroy domestic business.

[Alexandr bogun]

We said the same thing 8 years ago about the EU, as it is not clear that the EU would destroy their business. There is no need to think that the sharavarniks are dumber than the Turks or the Pole, they know how to count and cheat more than many.

[Palmyra]

There is no economy in Ukraine, it exists on the swap of the IMF and rich countries. Ze regularly rides with an outstretched hand. Yes, there is still agriculture, a record harvest of wheat was sold, but the debts both within the country for wages and external loans have not gone away.

[Kaufman]

Exactly. A new bridge was built in Zaporozhye.

[VSO-396]

What do you mean? The Ukrainian market is flooded with Turkish products thanks to Ukrainian businessmen and women. They stick to it.

[Alexandr bogun]

I have never been to Ukraine in my life and I have no idea what everything is littered with there. I judge from the economic data that is on the Internet. And judging by official data, the situation there is no worse now than it was 10 years ago. My friends say that there is a lot of milk and meat products in the countries of Eastern Europe, originating from Ukraine. Maybe their products go to Europe, and to them from Turkey, I have no idea, but the data says that the economy there is not as sad as many say.

[Palmyra]

What was under Yanukovych and what is now are two big differences. And anyone can draw ratings, as well as votes for the EU of Ukrainians. A simple example, a pension under Yanukovych, was 150&, a dollar for 8 hryvnias, a communal apartment is minimal, gas is 1.68. Food too. Now pensions are 70&, USD 28 UAH, gas UAH 9, salo UAH 200. Salaries also, the struggle for survival. They dispersed millions across Poland, closed factories, enterprises. Quotas in the EU expire in January, February, they have their own market. Colonies are not to prosper, but to plunder. Who cares about the fate of the Tyzems

[Kaufman]

Well, how can you tell us how the former and current English colonies live, what is the standard of living there?

[Palmyra]

I just don't need to poke around. Colonies for that and colonies to rob them. Only ukra in the early years was surrounded by 100 mld.

[Kaufman]

Canada and Australia and New Zealand are also former colonies. Doesn't feel like they've been robbed.

[Palmyra]

Canada, Australia, New Zealand, those same former British + dregs, exiles live there. They consider these lands their own, like California, and have always been in the wake of the states. And now in Australia they will build a submarine base, for themselves.

[Alexander widerkehr]

Sergei Vadimovich Stepashin answered Karaulov's question in 1994-2018, assets were withdrawn from Russia, the total value of which is approximately equal to $ 1 trillion.
Over the past 25 years, $ 750 billion has been withdrawn from Russia to offshores, for which “a better use could be found,” Bloomberg estimated in 2019. Six years earlier, the former head of the Central Bank, Sergei Ignatiev, had given a close assessment. For a quarter of a century, Russian banks have cashed or withdrawn about $ 1 trillion to offshores, he said in 2013.
The next round of amnesty - the third since 2015, when President Vladimir Putin called on billionaires to help the falling economy - will end on February 29. The fourth stage is not envisaged, State Secretary - Deputy Finance Minister Alexei Sazanov told Interfax. But neither appeals to patriotism, nor the creation of internal offshore companies with zero tax on dividends could reverse the river of money leaving Russia. According to the Central Bank, over the five years of the amnesty, the net outflow of capital from the country amounted to $189,6 billion.

[Alexandr bogun]

I looked at the data that are official, then with pensions it is difficult to understand the minimum, average, etc. there. It was easier to understand by salaries, here in 2012 the minimum wage is 1118 at the rate of 8 per dollar = 140 dollars. Now there is a minimum salary of 6500, which is at the rate of 28 per dollar = 230 dollars. The result is +90 dollars to the minimum salary for 10 years.
For example, in 2012, the minimum wage was + - 5000 rubles. (in the data a little less), the exchange rate of the ruble is 31 per dollar = 161 dollars. Now the minimum wage is 13 rubles, the rate is 900 per dollar = 76.5 dollars. The result is +182 dollars for 21 years.
I can’t discuss their utilities and fat, because I don’t know what and for what it cost then and now. I named direct exact numbers that anyone can check if they wish. I understand that there are enough nuances, but in real equivalent with real data and not only with them, but with an international picture on the face. Be proud of +90 dollars for 10 YEARS!!!! This is insanity, but we generally have +21, and if earlier we had at least not much, but in 2012 ours was 21 dollars more, now it is 48 less than theirs. I may not understand something, but we trade in oil and gas, and not them, and from the fact that we trade and everyone in line is behind the first and second, and our gas and gasoline do not get cheaper, regardless of whether the price rises or falls for gas or oil. The question is, how did it happen?

[Palmyra]

I don't know where you got this information. I write as it really was and is. The average salary, under Azarov, approached 1000&. Parallel to the rise of the economy. Business came out of the shadows, Moldovans went to the country in droves to earn money. Roughly speaking, "from 100 & lit a cigarette." You will not find this in every European country. Now, Ukrainians have dispersed around the world, including going to Moldova, up to 3 million working people have left. This is a confirmed fact. Country in the ASS. Already in the Rada they say that there will be no further pensions. We need to face the facts, not the drawn ratings.

[Alexandr bogun]

I wrote the official data that hangs around, check it out, don't argue with me. I wrote the minimum wage (Minimum Wage), and you write to me about the average and about your personal experience. I don’t say how much I earn in the Krasnodar Territory, I write official data that can be checked, and not tell that I receive $ 1000 or 10. As far as I understand, they didn’t go to Europe from Ukraine before because there was no “visa-free ". But before we had a lot of yours from all over Ukraine in the Krasnodar Territory, and now 000% of those who are are guys from the Republics. That's why they traveled the way they travel, only the countries have changed. About Moldavians and Zh.

[Palmyra]

And I don’t understand why you are in sports, having never been to Ukraine. Your minimum wage is not an indicator of what really happened. We speak different languages. And I see with the economy, you are having a hard time. Best wishes.

[Alexandr bogun]

Indeed, we speak different languages, because I tell you official data that you can check, and you describe your personal feelings to me or personally describe your situation. I write the minimum wage, and you tell me about the average salary. I do not pretend to be knowledgeable in economics, which is why I use official international and government data. You describe to me your personal feelings, do you think we have manna from heaven here? So I'll tell you in Belorechensk (this is a city) my 80 (about $ 000) a month is a very good salary, but this is my total income from my main job and part-time work. And others live for 1100 and think normally. So as the proverb says: "it's good where we are not." But in reality, it’s hard everywhere, especially if you don’t want to work.

[1976AG]

Quote: Alexandr Bogun

I have never been to Ukraine in my life and I have no idea what everything is littered with there. I judge from the economic data that is on the Internet. And judging by official data, the situation there is no worse now than it was 10 years ago. My friends say that there is a lot of milk and meat products in the countries of Eastern Europe, originating from Ukraine. Maybe their products go to Europe, and to them from Turkey, I have no idea, but the data says that the economy there is not as sad as many say.

The availability of food in stores does not depend on the state of the economy. That's right, just for the record. But the size of exports and imports, as well as the size of the external debt is already closer to the topic.

[Palmyra]

Do not compare what has always been carried by shuttles from Turkey and the opening of markets. These are different things.

[tihonmarine]

Quote: hohohol

Oh Vovik, Vovik! We must always remember that the East is a deceitful business.

If you mean Zelensky, calling him Vovik, then this is a mistake, his true name is Avissalom.

[hagen]

Quote: hohohol

Oh Vovik, Vovik! We must always remember that the East is a deceitful business.

I think that Erdogan also understands that whatever Vovik puts into words, in fact, will not have any consequences without the permission of Washington with the correction of local nationalists. Yes, Erdogan himself came to profit from Ukrainian problems. He himself today is not up to patronage and charity. We need to support the family business...

[iouris]

Who are you contacting?

[Cotton Colorado]

It doesn't matter where exactly you can put an end to the war. It is important that everyone is ready for this

- the Ukrainian president said with his characteristic pathos, declaring in

So Zelensky accepts Lavrov's invitation to visit Moscow?

[210ox]

Why is he needed here? Trample the floor in the Kremlin reception room. Let him go to Donetsk and explain himself there.

[Alexandr bogun]

On the contrary, it turns out that he refuses any real negotiations, because if we go to negotiations not in Minsk or on the "Norman platform", then this will be the first step for talking about canceling or replacing the "Minsk agreements" with new ones. After all, it turns out that the "Minsk agreements" are not being implemented, and apart from accusations from different sides of progress 0, the platform itself is also no longer acceptable not only for Ukraine, but the Germans and French will not go to Lukashenka. So the talking shop will begin about the fact that a new format is needed, new participants, we will advocate with the United States to talk, and the United States will also attract the British, Ukraine will attract the Sultan of Turkey, whom you don’t even need to ask, and as a result they will come to the conclusion that the current agreement is not feasible and that If there were no war, a new treaty and new responsible parties are needed. And in order for us to come to this ourselves, they will strangle with new sanctions and drive more weapons there so that we ourselves would come to this idea, so as not to militarize Ukraine even more, otherwise the threat will soon be not to the Republics, but to us. This is what it all comes down to

[210ox]

Maybe. Let's see how strong Faberge is in Moscow.

[Alexandr bogun]

Well, for now we hold on, but the situation is so-so

[zloybond]

The question is brewing: does Russia, in order to complicate the issue (or a clear definition), recognize US sovereignty over Turkey????

[moscowp]

Turkic world!

[Reserve officer]

Here I wrote what I think about it. And the VO editor answers me - "invalid expressions." Although everything is within the Russian language, there is no swearing.

[VSO-396]

You are an officer, not a warrant officer. You have to be more modest.

[Andrei Nikolaevich]

I have a feeling that all these "editors" at VO either with independent passports, or even did not serve military service. From that, they have a very "tender and vulnerable" psyche. No harsh words...)

[VSO-396]

On the second account, I agree with you, and 80 percent of the commentators did not serve.

[Andrei Nikolaevich]

VSO-396, you were immediately downvoted. I gave you "+". As support.) And about 80 percent, which you wrote about, they can be seen from a mile away. Painfully "militant". "heroes" for escaping from military enlistment offices.

[Alex777]

Quote: Andrey Nikolaevich

"Editors" on VO

respond to the complaints of those who

Quote: Andrey Nikolaevich

have a very "tender and vulnerable" psyche

[Cananecat]

Turkey supports Ukraine's sovereignty over Crimea

Everyone supports, but no one helps. ))
We are waiting for Ze's visit to all the countries of the Black Sea basin for "support" ... after visiting the last country, Ze will bang in the Donbass.

[Alexandr bogun]

I would not say so, judging by the number of weapons that have been going there for a month now. And this Turkish Sultan imperceptibly took and tied up Ukraine with its potential and added 2,5% growth to its GDP only from the signed papers. It’s funny to us, but then they are something from the Americans, then from the British, there they gave the Czechs, there the Poles, there the Canadians, now the Turks, and this is only the beginning of the year. While we underestimate them and try to play some kind of games with the Americans, these are at our side in a year from 25 places in the world in terms of the power of the armed forces, jumped to 22 and this is only thanks to the first 2 months of the year.

[Serg89]

God, I thought with whom I am talking in a thread about the Tu-160, and he is scribbling fiction here, now to Ukraine, are you disguised like that or what? Now it’s clear that he was flooded there about bad traffic when ordering the Tu-160, and then damn the GDP growth !!!! WOW!!!! My God ... Campaign you are a representative of the most powerful independent country, which generally sawed strike strategists under the knife, and now, apart from a UAV for two kopecks, it has nothing and rejoices! Progress!!! God and God again, how people roll in our region ...

[Alexandr bogun]

God, I thought with whom I am talking in a thread about the Tu-160, and he is scribbling fiction here, now to Ukraine, are you disguised like that or what?

Yes, I'm in disguise.

Now it’s clear that he was flooded there about bad traffic when ordering the Tu-160, and then damn the GDP growth !!!! WOW!!!!

And what did I write wrong about the Tu-160? In your opinion, I’m a scammer only because it infuriates me that we are in the place of PAK YES, reanimating the aircraft developed in the 70s?) And I’ll tell you a secret, besides TOP VAR, I also read other sources to just be more or less in reality, not to be in a vacuum. You have to look at what the Turks write, and the Americans. But according to your logic, this is a crime against the Motherland))) You can consider me at least a sharavnik, at least a gay black man, at least a North Korean ruler.

[Serg89]

To all the gentlemen from Ukraine, GDP growth even by 5% for Ukraine (despite the fact that PPP fell on the contrary by the same amount, and this is already a real indicator) if in real numbers Russia received the same growth as Ukraine, it would be 0,08, 2% GDP growth, but in fact Russia's growth is 80%, which for Ukraine would be equal to XNUMX% GDP growth))) Stop fooling everyone around)

[Brturin]

Yes, if you count - Ukraine's GDP in 2021 amounted to about $ 195 billion, an increase of 2.5% is almost $ 5 billion - what can they sell for such an amount only to the Turks, which they have not sold before (although the entire trade turnover between Ukraine and Turkey in 2021 about $7 billion)... and then such growth is a joy for holders of GDP warrants (the only thing is that until the year 25, payments in excess of 3% cannot exceed 1% of GDP)...

[Liam]

Quote: BrTurin

Ukraine's GDP in 2021 amounted to about $195 billion, an increase of 2.5% is almost $5 billion - what can they sell for such an amount

In terms of GDP, you have less than vague ideas ... what it is and how it is formed.

[Alexandr bogun]

A free trade agreement is not about how much more will be sold, but rather how much each side will save on customs clearance and taxes. And what exactly will they sell to each other, we will see when the details appear.

[Cananecat]

Quote: BrTurin

it’s almost $ 5 billion - what can they sell for such an amount only to the Turks, which they haven’t sold before

Today I neighed from a fragment of their talk show. They seem to have ramped up their grain shipments to Turkey... and barrah shot... increased flour imports from there.

[sabakina]

No, I'm stupidly curious that this under-sultan will bleat when he meets Putin?

[Arkadich]

What difference does it make what he says? Putin knows that Erdogan is a political prostitute, so the contracts will be on an economic topic, another reason to bargain.

[ALARI]

Do you need tomatoes and beaches? The main thing is what questions Putin will ask? He will raise the issue of nuclear power plants, spare parts for air defense, gas, or get off as usual with general phrases and assure friendship and cooperation. Before that, it was like in a cartoon - Guys, let's live together.

[Alexandr bogun]

The same as always, pat on the shoulder and say that "we are friends, give us tourists, and we will give you tomatoes." There will be nothing new.

[Andrei Nikolaevich]

GDP is also the same, pepper. He feeds him ice cream and immediately bombs the Turks in Syria. But the Turk liked the ice cream. This is the "most important".

[rocket757]

Nothing and nothing ... empty words.

[Thrifty]

Just for the fact that this h-m-o barked Bender's greeting, he should not be shaking hands in Russia!

[Alexandr bogun]

And then, because of such stupidity, we will lose contracts worth tens of billions of dollars in the nuclear sector, in the defense sector, where we sell S-400 by whole divisions, problems will begin with South Stream, it is through which we are now supplying gas to Europe bypassing sharavarniks. Let's start giving weapons to the Kurds, and they will start not selling to Ukraine, but giving their Bayraktars, etc. You need to think a little with your head, for words to start flying into such losses due to ordinary politics ... politics is clearly not yours. You don’t need to wave your saber and multiply your enemies a lot, but to earn money and raise the country, it doesn’t just work here.

[N3onMiami]

The brain of some commentators on VO works amazingly.
It seems as if they could not get out of puberty with its maximalism and lack of sober thinking.
What they do not like, immediately "rrryaya, bomb, destroy, ban", tearing his shirt.
And no one thinks about the consequences.

[sniperino]

Quote: Alexandr Bogun

start to fly into such losses due to the usual policy

It's pearl! Even on the website of accountants, I believe, this is not often seen, but here VO ... Politics in general is a costly and dangerous business, so not every country can afford such a luxury.

[Emergency]

Particularly amused was Erdogan's support for Ukraine's "sovereignty" over Crimea. And Ze is a complete fool. "Care" about Ukraine, yeah. That's right, everything in the world moves in a spiral. The Turks bought the Cossacks against the Poles or Russians, then the Poles bought them against the Swedes, the Swedes bought them against the Russians. Now it's a new circle. But I can’t resist about the final and I’ll remind you again.

[aszzz888]

Emergency (Icarus)
Yesterday, 20:50 Erdogan's support for Ukraine's "sovereignty" over Crimea was especially amused....

[Emergency]

That's for sure! Briefly and clearly.

[yuriy55]

Erdogan at a meeting with Zelensky: Turkey supports Ukraine's sovereignty over Crimea

Are these the very media that are telling the world about Russia's unleashing a war with long-suffering Ukraine? To hell with them. I don't think that anyone in Russia considers Erdogan the best Russian partner and assistant in resolving the conflict in Ukraine, in Armenia, in Syria...
The main thing in the question of the sovereignty of Crimea is whose flag flies over the administration building and whose citizens the Crimeans consider themselves to be.

[Kesha1980]

The Turkish leader also touched upon the issue of the territorial integrity of Nezalezhnaya. He stated that Turkey fully supports sovereignty of Ukraine, including over Crimea.

As far as I remember, there was such an old (but still valid!) international treaty between Turkey and the Russian Empire. It recorded the belonging of the Crimea to Russia. In another case (not actually belonging to the Russian Empire), Turkey has the right to claim it and Russia agrees to this. I wrote somewhat clumsily, but the meaning is that Crimea is either ours or Turkish. That is why, there constantly (WWII, until the age of 14) the Crimean Tatar / Turkish ideas and hatred of the USSR / Russia were strong.
Therefore, Erdogan speaks strictly in his own interest. There is nothing surprising. And also - all these glory into the void.
JV with Ukraine? The whole world knows how the Turkish military-industrial complex needs engines (hello to the Chinese - it’s almost your engines). For drones, for tanks, etc. - for all the equipment that Turkey will produce in its wet dreams. And to call - it is Turkish technology. Canada has already pushed them back, Germany - similarly. Ukraine - it turns out, Turkey is very profitable. Just like that - weak, with problems in the economy, looking for a senior ally.

[Avior]

there was such an old (but still valid!) international treaty

This is a common myth, there is nothing like it. Not to mention the fact that the USSR, and therefore the Russian Federation, was not now the successor of the Russian Empire

[Kesha1980]

You, my friend, read the Kuchuk-Kainarji peace treaty of 1774, and then talk about "myths".

[sniperino]

Quote: Kesha1980

You, my friend, read

"My friend" is not a reader, he is a writer. In general, he jumped into the USSR from the Republic of Ingushetia, bypassing the RSFSR. Didn't notice.

[Avior]

Have you read it yourself? Do you know what is written in it?
Can you provide a link to the full text? I am sure that you have not seen him in the eyes, like everyone who spreads this myth.
Not to mention the fact that this treaty was canceled back in the 18th century, 10 years after it was signed.

[sniperino]

Quote: Avior

there was such an old (but still valid!) international treaty

This is a common myth, there is nothing like it. Not to mention the fact that the USSR, and therefore the Russian Federation, was not now the successor of the Russian Empire

Nonsense.

In addition to large loans, the RSFSR did not refuse anything, fully recognized all the international treaties of the Republic of Ingushetia on borders and, on its own behalf, as the assignee of the Republic of Ingushetia, gave independence to Finland, Poland, Ukraine, Belarus, the Transcaucasian SSR. All former subjects of the Republic of Ingushetia became citizens of the RSFSR, and then the USSR, by automatically obtaining citizenship.

[Avior]

A well-known bastard. At the beginning of January 1918, the independence of Finland, for example, was already recognized by a number of European states.
The name "Russian Soviet Federative Socialist Republic" was introduced by the Constitution of the USSR of 1936[3] and the Constitution of the RSFSR of 1937[4][~ 2].

[sniperino]

Quote: Avior

The name "Russian Soviet Federative Socialist Republic" was introduced by the Constitution of the USSR in 1936

True, the name was "Russian Socialist Federative Soviet Republic" (see "Decree of the All-Russian Central Executive Committee on the annulment of state loans on January 21 (February 3), 1918"), but it's still the RSFSR.

5. Low-income citizens who own canceled state papers of internal loans in the amount of not more than 10000 rubles. (at face value), receive in return nominal certificates of a new loan of the Russian Socialist Federative Soviet Republic in the amount of ...

[Avior]

At the time of the recognition of Finland by the European states, the future RSFSR did not have any official name at all, everyone wrote who was in that much.
The recognition of Finland happened earlier than the official recognition of the RSFSR, no matter how it was called.
Neither the RSFSR nor the USSR have ever recognized themselves as the legal successor of the Russian Empire.
And no one has ever recognized them as successors.

[Bessik]

“Don’t trust three: don’t trust a woman, don’t trust a Turk, don’t trust a non-drinker.” (Peter 1)

[Emergency]

Either the Turks in the VO, or the Svidomo pulled themselves up to the watch. Why would Peter's words be minus? Although there may be teetotalers. But where are the teetotalers from in VO?

[Bessik]

Rather, the second, for them Peter is something special))

[75 Sergey]

Yes, they are all here, including the Bulgarians

[VSO-396]

So women.

[Emergency]

But who will understand them there, these Europeans.

[sergo1914]

Quote: Bessik

“Don’t trust three: don’t trust a woman, don’t trust a Turk, don’t trust a non-drinker.” (Peter 1)

A non-drinking Turkish woman - a fiend of Hell?

[Bessik]

Xs, you know better about non-drinking Turkish women, for me they are all mustachioed))

[DenisI]

It was the 8th year of the collapse of Ukraine. Not much yet, just a little more.
That's the fact that they will build a plant for the construction of drones, this is serious. This is a big step forward for the future. As I said, in 2-3 years we will see a big hemorrhoid in the face of Ukraine. No matter how much we laugh at them here.

[Thrifty]

Denis! -We have and have been suffering this hemorrhoids since the creation of this sub-state! Everything will be much worse! ...

[impostor]

we will see a big hemorrhoid in the face of Ukraine

As Kozma Prutkov said, you need to look at the root, and the root of the crap is in the hands of the transatlantics.

[6erJIblu]

I will add ... It was interesting to meet Erdogan.

[zwlad]

Hmm.
Erdogan seems to have decided to disrupt the holiday season for the Russians.
It looks like Turkey will be closed again.

[Fedorovich]

That is, the Turks do not need new air defense systems? ..

[Orsis338]

They don't even use the old ones.

[75 Sergey]

Isn't it possible to return everything back with Erdogan?
Eh, we would not climb into this system, they used the government update there with enviable regularity, and we broke this system.

[Troll]

Only those without a king in their head expected or are expecting something else. Recognition or non-recognition of the Crimea by the Turks, words in support of Russia, will interfere with mutually beneficial trade, and none of these two needs it. Some need industry (yes, yes, yes, screwdriver assembly is also industry), others need to stop the fall of the lira and the expansion of production. And this is quite a pragmatic approach.
..

[impostor]

The risks are incomparable. Politics should be the concentrated expression of the economy.

[sniperino]

Quote: Troll

And this is quite a pragmatic approach.

If Erdogan had ignored the faint, probably illusory possibility of taking over Crimea, as well as the real possibility of supporting Turkish industry, he would have been legitimately asked if he was an agent of the Kremlin.

[Sands Careers General]

Yeah, only the Turks sleep and see the Turkish Crimea, a banana on their shovel and fat ruin))

[Sands Careers General]

Oh, the Turk is detected)))

[Kushka]

Quote: ALARI

What Vovik are you talking about?

Zhukov, leaving Stalin's office - "With a mustache."
Beria overheard and reported to Stalin.
Stalin called Zhukov - Wee said "with a mustache" - Whom did they mean?
- Hitler, of course!
-And you, Lavrenty, when you wrote THIS, whom did you mean?

[VSO-396]

Quote: Thrifty

otherwise waves of terrorist attacks will come from there

From Ukraine? There, in general, Orthodox.

[Borisych]

The Turk is now of little interest to anyone, and no one cares what he mumbles there. Now everyone's ears are sticking out in Beijing. There, the fate of America is decided, or rather, the procedure for its disposal.

[TatarinSSSR]

Another flick on Putin's nose from Erdogan. Or rather, "stab in the back" number 10894 ... 73.

[silver_roman]

Question: why are we not talking about Greek sovereignty over northern Cyprus? What's stopping us?

[Dkuznecov]

"Doctor, 60-year-old neighbor says,
maybe three times a night.
"Well, what's the problem, you say so too."

[Dkuznecov]

As for the "slogan", as far as I know,
it (the slogan) has nothing to do with Bandera.

He (the slogan) was before him,
with him (so to speak),
without it, and against it, and after it.

Here the "author" gives wishful thinking.

Regarding Crimea, Erdogan did not try to support
local laws of any third countries,
maintaining neutrality of opinion.
For fluctuations on the head will not be stroked.

Therefore, Erdogan's position (de jure, not de facto)
in Crimea is no different
from the position of the rest of the world community.

Nothing new, scandalous or provocative
I did not hear.
Create problems for yourself from scratch Erdogan
not going to - more expensive.

My opinion.

[akarfoxhound]

And finally, did the maestro on the piano "Schenevmerlu" play the piano to the dear guest?

[sniperino]

Quote: akarfoxhound

And finally, did the maestro on the piano "Schenevmerlu" play the piano to the dear guest?

Mozart. Turkish march. Erdogan was crying.

[Dmitry Bragin]

Erdogan is a cunning churka

[Comrade Kim]

Quote: hohohol

Oh Vovik, Vovik!

Yes, what can I say.
Tomorrow, Erdogash will recognize Sakhalin as Japanese, and we will be told on TV about a successful multi-move with a dance, which our rulers so successfully pulled off by swindling Janissary.

[Amateur]

Tomorrow Erdogash will recognize Sakhalin as Japanese,

So what? It will have to be given to the Japanese. Or from the fact that he does not recognize Crimea as Russian, something has changed in Crimea.
I personally promise Erdogan a territory of 1000 square kilometers in the region of the Sea of ​​​​Rains on the Moon. I have exactly the same rights to the moon as Erdogan has to the Crimea and the Kuriles with Sakhalin.

[Dikson]

So, in exchange for an aircraft model factory, Turkey will receive ballistic missiles and engines for its helicopters) Have you already written about tomatoes here?

[Yaro Polk]

still what role plays where negotiations. if Z does not care. then for Moscow it will be a humiliation to hold negotiations in some kind of Turkey ... as if PASHA is reconciling some kind of slaves

[APASUS]

Erdogan will promise Ukraine an atomic bomb if Turkey can capitalize on this rumor

[riwas]

Erdogan at a meeting with Zelensky: Turkey supports Ukraine's sovereignty over Crimea

Enemies are everywhere.

[Timur_3]

Hungary has started reverse deliveries of Russian gas to Ukraine.
Orban in Madrid signed a document against Russia.
Turkey will build a plant for the production of drones not in Russia, but on the territory of Ukraine.
We have some weird friends.

[p0pulivox]

The Turkish leader also touched upon the issue of the territorial integrity of Nezalezhnaya. He stated that Turkey fully supports the sovereignty of Ukraine, including over Crimea.

Which is not at all surprising, perhaps this is a surprise only for the "builders" of cunning plans and their fans ...
The economic aspects of cooperation between Turkey and Ukraine may turn out to be unequal, but in general it will not be worse than now. Thus, there are disadvantages of interaction with the EU for Ukraine, but there are also advantages. And the main thing is that the West is not interested in the loss of its statehood and will keep it afloat + the long-term inconsistency of the Russian Federation's policy towards Ukraine is affecting. Therefore, all predictions about the imminent "death" of this country turned out to be untenable. As for the laughter, irony and sarcasm about the trade between Turkey and Ukraine, for the sake of interest, you can look at this:

In the structure of Russian exports to Turkey in 2020 (and in 2019), the main share of deliveries fell on the following types of goods:
Mineral products (HS codes 25-27) - 44,70% of Russia's total exports to Turkey (2019% in 61,65);
Metals and products from them (TN VED codes 72-83) - 22,98% of the total volume of Russian exports to Turkey (in 2019 - 14,74%);
Food products and agricultural raw materials (HS codes 01-24) - 19,87% of Russia's total exports to Turkey (in 2019 - 11,82%);
Products of the chemical industry (HS codes 28-40) - 4,90% of the total volume of Russian exports to Turkey (in 2019 - 3,66%);
Precious metals and stones (TN VED code 71) - 2,55% of Russia's total exports to Turkey (2019% in 0,09);
Machinery, equipment and vehicles (HS codes 84-90) - 1,46% of Russia's total exports to Turkey (2019% in 3,44).
In the structure of Russian imports from Turkey in 2020 (and in 2019), the main share of deliveries fell on the following types of goods:
Food products and agricultural raw materials (HS codes 01-24) - 31,23% of Russia's total imports from Turkey (2019% in 26,62);
Machinery, equipment and vehicles (HS codes 84-90) - 29,79% of Russia's total imports from Turkey (in 2019 - 31,27%);
Textiles and footwear (HS codes 50-67) - 15,08% of Russia's total imports from Turkey (in 2019 - 17,13%);
Products of the chemical industry (HS codes 28-40) - 11,32% of Russia's total imports from Turkey (in 2019 - 11,54%);
Metals and products from them (HS codes 72-83) - 6,91% of Russia's total imports from Turkey (2019% in 7,15);
Mineral products (HS codes 25-27) - 1,37% of Russia's total imports from Turkey (in 2019 - 1,75%).

[Amateur]

According to Turkish media, Erdogan and his wife were infected with omicron.
There was no need to drive a Kuiv.

God Rogue marks