American edition: New Russian Su-30SM2 fighter may be the last modification of the Su-27

The Russian Aerospace Forces received the first heavy Su-30SM2 fighters. This aircraft, superior in maneuverability and endurance to any Western fighter, may be the latest modification of the Su-27 fighter, the author writes for the American edition of Military Watch Magazine.

The Russian Aerospace Forces began to receive new Su-30SM2 fighters, a batch of aircraft arrived in the Kaliningrad region to arm the naval aviation Of the Baltic fleet. This is the first delivery of a new modification of the main fighter of the Russian Aerospace Forces Su-30SM, which has been supplied to the troops since 2010.

The new fighter combined the basic design of the Su-30SM with the functions of another Russian Su-35 fighter. Due to the installation of the AL-31F-1S engine and the Irbis-E radar, the Su-30SM2 received excellent flight characteristics and the ability to detect and hit enemy aircraft at a much greater distance. The new thrust vectoring engine delivers 16% more thrust than the base engine and is also more fuel efficient. In terms of maneuverability and endurance, the Su-30SM2 is currently superior to any Western fighter, and the range of 400 km of air-to-air missiles is almost twice that of Western aircraft.

At its core, the author writes, the Su-30SM2 is a modification of the Soviet heavy air superiority fighter Su-27 (NATO classification Flanker), which first entered service in 1985. It was from him that the new Sukhoi inherited a long flight range and high maneuverability. The first squadron of Su-30SM2s will be stationed in Kaliningrad, where they will replace the obsolete Su-27s. In the future, all the Su-30SMs in service will be upgraded to the level of the Su-30SM2.

However, the Su-30SM2 may be the last modification of the original fighter, as the Russian Aerospace Forces are gradually moving to a new generation of aircraft based on the Su-57 platform, and possibly lighter fighters on the Su-75 "Checkmate" platform, the author concludes.

Comments

[210ox]

Fortune tellers by coffee grounds. May be.

[rocket757]

Whoa, whoa, guessing...
It may be, but who told them about it?
And so, in general, a common thing is the replacement of products with another one.

[LiSiCyn]

Arrival of four Su-30SM2 fighters at the Baltic Fleet Naval Aviation airfield in Chernyakhovsk.

[Vasily Chernyshev]

Beautiful "birds"

[bayard]

Judging by the second photo, the nozzles are all-angle ... but what are the engines?
They promised AL-41F-1S, but judging by the latest reports, the engines are the same there ... maybe for now ... But how is it really?
In the article, in general, the pearl is AL-31F-1S.
And "16% increased thrust".
Or is it still AL-41F-1S?
Or is it, as others say, not the Su-30SM2 at all, but the Su-30SM with updated avionics and the Sych complex (in hanging containers)?
But at least new fighters went to Naval Aviation.

[Kaufman]

Russian Aerospace Forces are gradually moving to a new generation of aircraft based on the Su-57 platform

Oooo gradually! Smoothly and slowly...

[Arkadich]

Can you tell me where it is done with lightning speed? Then we compare the conditions of creation and budgets.

[Kaufman]

Where - USA, China, South Korea, Japan. Yet in comparison, so lightning fast.
About the budget. Firstly, I start only from our own announcements, and do not compare with the leaders. And according to these announcements, 4 Su 57s were supposed to receive the VKS in 2021, as I understand it, and there was a corresponding article in the budget for this ...

[Arkadich]

Lightning fast? Their new aircraft are developments from the beginning of the 90s, or even 10. The USA, Japan have a budget and technical history, China has a budget and a minimum of conscience in copying. Recall that our aircraft industry was in a stupor, only the last 15-57 years it began to revive (judging by Samara), and then there are a lot of problems - budget, technical personnel, engineering school, materials and much more. 35 have problems? And the F 10, which has been in operation for XNUMX years soon, does not have them?

[Kaufman]

there are 700 of them ... they solve problems. And they are already thinking about the next generation, developing it.
Su57 is alone so far. Two are still unclear.
It seems everything is obvious what we are arguing about

[Arkadich]

You think that I agree with you very slowly, but in your post I saw sarcasm, but I think these are certain (voiced above) reasons.
They have 700, we have 1 they are in front, we are behind (I hope we catch up) so what? It is impossible to always be in the lead in everything, the main thing is to identify the reasons, analyze, find solutions and roll up your sleeves.

[Kaufman]

You can't always be the leader in everything

What are we leaders in?

[Arkadich]

Well, if I’m too lazy to monitor the Internet offhand, I’ll say in terms of weapons, hyperweapons, air defense, tanks, maybe I forgot something else.

[Charik]

you are in the production of pans

[Vitaly Petrov_3]

"Sooooo gradually! Smoothly and slowly..." We harness for a long time, but we drive fast!!! And do not confuse "Sklifosovsky"!

[Alien From]

Beautiful car, whatever one may say.

[Ros 56]

Well, this issue will definitely not be decided at VO.

[Vlad69]

Minus to the author: "Due to the installation of the AL 31 F-31S engine ...."

[Vlad69]

So far, these SUs have remained. They wrote about it everywhere. Further from SU-35

[Alex777]

You can't install Irbis with this engine.

[bayard]

"Irbis" and other avionics are powered by the APU, and not from the engine. Installing the Su-35S APU on the Su-30SM2 is not particularly difficult. Moreover, the avionics were for the most part transferred from the Su-35S.
But what is the problem with installing the AL-41F-1S on the Su-30SM2, I don’t understand.
Need an appropriate air intake?
So take at least the entire engine nacelle from the Su-35S. The glider is essentially (if you count without a cockpit and PGO) one. And after all, they have been working on this modernization for more than one year ...
Or completely forgot how to work? Consider, design... even such minor changes? Then the difficulties with the production of the Su-57 have not been surprising for a long time - a complete disqualification of the industry.
That is why there was a corresponding reaction to advertising attempts at the expense of the Su-75 "Chekmet" - no one believes in the possibility anymore.
On word .

[mmaxx]

The air intake channel is different.
But when the air intakes are removed, deformation occurs. When the aircraft is assembled, it is made in special equipment. And operations with the air intake during modernization - on the knee. Just on the floor. Do not put it in any stock. The plane flew and deformations in it accumulated a lot and all sorts. Moreover, different aircraft became different in geometry.

[bayard]

Quote: mmaxx

But when the air intakes are removed, deformation occurs.

We are talking about a new modification of the Su-30SM2, assembled from scratch. What prevented the use of engine nacelles from the Su-35S, or air intakes from it, during assembly?
And with the existing Su-30SM, during modernization during a medium repair, a new modification of the AL-31F "with elements of the AL-41F-1S" is being assembled, with an increased resource.
And it looks like the same problems will arise in the new modification of the Su-34M.

[mmaxx]

Mmmm ... Maybe I don’t know something ... And where is the Su-30SM2 mass-produced? It seems to me that these are only modernized aircraft

[bayard]

Quote: mmaxx

And where is the Su-30SM2 serially produced?

Yes, it seems in the same place as before - on Irkut.

Quote: mmaxx

It seems to me that these are only modernized aircraft

The new Su-30SM2s have been ordered and are being built for the Naval Aviation; purchases for the Aerospace Forces are not yet known. But in the course of a medium repair, they intend to modernize all SMs in SM2.

[mmaxx]

Yes, it seems that all delivered CM2s have been upgraded from CMs.

[bayard]

From the backlog modernized, or from combat? It seems too early for construction workers for repairs. A new 21 pcs. ordered for MA.

[Timon2155]

Quote: bayard

"Irbis" and other avionics are powered by the APU, and not from the engine.

What are you carrying? What APU? Work from generators on engines! The APUs work only when the engines are started, but they do not feed the radar and other avionics in any way!

[1Alexey]

Su-30SM2 may be the last modification of the Su-27

Isn't the Su-27 the latest modification of the Su-35 ?!

[Zaurbek]

Is ..... now the Su30 is being pulled up to it

[1Alexey]

Quote: Zaurbek

Is ..... now the Su30 is being pulled up to it

But it is not possible to pull the Su-30 into it, the Su-35 has a slightly different airframe, in particular, there is no front plumage.

[Zaurbek]

It has already been discussed here many times ........ the Su30SM has foreign users who will be interested in modernization .... MKI, MKA, MKK, etc.
And so, it’s right to make a double Su35S

[1Alexey]

Quote: Zaurbek

And so, it’s right to make a double Su35S

I agree! And it’s even more correct to make a two-seat Su-57.

Quote: Zaurbek

It has already been discussed here many times ........ the Su30SM has foreign users who will be interested in modernization .... MKI, MKA, MKK, etc.

But we are not discussing this here now.
The point is that the Su-30SM2 cannot be the last modification of the Su-27, since the last modification of the Su-27 is the Su-35 !!!

[Zaurbek]

Well ... how to look ... by the date they are right ..... and the difference is 10 years, maybe it will be older according to the airframe, but more modern according to the avionics

[Jacket in stock]

Quote: 1Alexey

The point is that the Su-30SM2 cannot be the last modification of the Su-27, since the last modification of the Su-27 is the Su-35 !!!

It's funny you think.
Su35 - 2008.
Su30SM2 - 2021.
Well, they're both outdated.

[Lelik76]

In addition to the absence of the front horizontal tail (PGO), there is still no 2nd cockpit and a brake flap behind the cockpit.

[Zaurbek]

The Su 35S was originally made under a turbojet engine with a UVT ..... therefore, a lot of things were removed ..... And the Su30, initially, was created under the Al31 without a UVT ..... therefore there are a lot of things there.
In general, they did the most competent thing with the MiG35S .. there the cockpit and the lantern are the same in all versions. or 2 pilots or 1 pilot and tank.

[Lelik76]

The SU-30MKI and all its modifications, including the CM2, were also made under UVT, where the difference in frame from the engine without UVT is quite insignificant. I just saw the drawings, and assembled the first experimental Su-30MKI in the distant 1997-2000 with my own hands.

[Zaurbek]

Yes ... but there is the Su30 glider, which was made like the Su27UB ..... and the UVT on the Al31 is not the same as that of the Al41

[mmaxx]

There are no compatibility problems with the airframe in terms of engine nozzles.

[Zaurbek]

I’m not talking about that ... the glider was originally taken from the Su27UB and it was made under Al31 without UVT ... from there both the PGO and brake units ... and the Su35S was made immediately under Al41 with UVT .... and UVT was integrated immediately into the control system and this is taken into account in what and where the plumage is or not. (like the Su57)

[BABAY22]

Quote: 1Alexey

Isn't the Su-27 the latest modification of the Su-35 ?!

Do not read the American press before lunch.

Su-35S, in fact, is the latest modification of the Soviet Su-27 fighter,
writes the author of an article for the American edition of Military Watch Magazine
25.11.2021
https://topwar.ru/189496-v-smi-ssha-rossijskij-su-35-blagodarja-svoim-radaram-vidit-dazhe-stels-istrebiteli.html

Su-30SM2 may be the last modification of the Su-27 fighter, the author writes for the American edition of Military Watch Magazine
02.02.2022
https://topwar.ru/191836-amerikanskoe-izdanie-novyj-rossijskij-istrebitel-su-30sm2-stanet-poslednej-modifikaciej-su-27.html

[Zaurbek]

At a minimum, another upgrade is requested (similar to the F15EX ..... with avionics and systems from the Su57). And you can release it for quite a long time. Universal machine.

[Ura65]

And beautiful.

[Barberry25]

as an option, the 5th generation is expensive and complicated, and aviation needs something new, so the "staggered" su-30 may well appear

[Zaurbek]

Not everywhere you need a stealth aircraft with restrictions on the size of ammunition (due to the presence of a bomb bay) .... and unification according to avionics and turbojet engines will really help

[Barberry25]

well, at least partially, the hull itself can be modified to reduce visibility, as they did on the same f-15ex

[Zaurbek]

The question is in the budget .... they could do it in the Su35S .... not everyone did it ... Here conformal tanks could do

[Barberry25]

in the future they may well do it, let's wait and see, in any case, the su-30cm2 will serve for another 20 years

[Zaurbek]

30 years ....... and another modernization with AFAR. He will outlive us

[Barberry25]

and there still radio photonics will catch up)

[Wedmak]

Sailors will apparently go for these particular aircraft, the Su-57 is not really needed there if there is no ship version with an avik in the kit. It would also be nice to have a sunken Su-34 there, it will be able to carry more anti-ship weapons. Although .... Tu-22M3 + Su-30SM2 is a pretty good bunch, what do you think?

[Zaurbek]

Yes, many people don’t really need the Su57 (as stealth) ... Take the air defense system in the North, the Far East, inside the country .... the same Su34 and Su 24, then, you need to replace it with something.

[Wedmak]

the same Su34 and Su 24, then, something needs to be replaced.

So the Su-24 is being replaced by the Su-34, as the fleet wears out, as I understand it. And they will serve for 20-30 years for sure, with periodic upgrades.

[Zaurbek]

I mean, the Su34 itself can be exchanged for the universal Su30

[Genry]

Quote: Zaurbek

and the Su34 itself can be changed to the universal Su30

The Su-34 is armored and its tasks are more front-line, including buildings, shelters, armor and just equipment (on the go or in caponiers).
It is not needed at sea - the Su-30 will come in handy there.

[Jacket in stock]

Quote: Wedmak

Su-24 and change to Su-34, as the fleet wears out, as I understand it

In the Air Force, yes, in the Navy, you haven’t heard about this yet.

[Jacket in stock]

Quote: Wedmak

Tu-22M3 + Su-30SM2 is a pretty good bunch, what do you think?

And how many of those Carcasses are left alive?
And yes, they are no longer sailors.
So your thoughts are empty dreams.

[Zaurbek]

For some reason yes, for some reason no ...... most likely the Tu22 niche will be divided between the future PAK DA and Su30xxxx

[Wedmak]

For another 10 years, TU-ki will serve, but most likely until the arrival of PAK YES. The fact that they are not among the sailors does not cancel the ability to carry anti-ship missiles.

[Jacket in stock]

Quote: Wedmak

The fact that they are not among the sailors does not cancel the ability to carry anti-ship missiles.

Yes, like a current, they chewed here about the difference between "the ability to carry" and "carry".

[Zaurbek]

Rather, it’s different ... Tu22 M3 carries large anti-ship missiles to attack the AUG .... and will carry “short” subsonic missiles ... .. we don’t have such an arsenal so far for tactical fighters. There is nothing to shoot at the AUG from the air

[amr]

Quote: Arkadich

Lightning fast? Their new aircraft are developments from the beginning of the 90s, or even 10. The USA, Japan have a budget and technical history, China has a budget and a minimum of conscience in copying. Recall that our aircraft industry was in a stupor, only the last 15-57 years it began to revive (judging by Samara), and then there are a lot of problems - budget, technical personnel, engineering school, materials and much more. 35 have problems? And the F 10, which has been in operation for XNUMX years soon, does not have them?

I don't understand who are you justifying?
planes, in particular fighters, are definitely delayed in our country, the person is 100% right

1000 pieces were riveted out of the dance of penguins, and we can’t hand over 4 pieces in any way!

are you a relative of Serdyukov chtol?

[DO]

However, the Su-30SM2 may be the last modification of the original fighter, as the Russian Aerospace Forces are gradually moving to a new generation of aircraft based on the Su-57 platform, and possibly lighter fighters on the Su-75 "Checkmate" platform, the author concludes.

The American author "forgets" that the full transition of the Russian Aerospace Forces to the Su-57 will happen no earlier than the Russian industry will produce at least several hundred of them. Which will likely take decades. And since the Russian Aerospace Forces need to maintain a sufficient number of fighters in service, the original Su-27 prototype will be modified more than once - both in operation and in production.

[Charik]

Let them think that we are athletes