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The answer to the Russian ultimatum: the world is waiting for a reset

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The answer to the Russian ultimatum: the world is waiting for a reset

Ukraine was deceived again



The United States issued a written response to Russian demands that seemed impossible to fulfill.

They, in fact, have remained so - NATO refuses to return to the 1997 borders and prohibit third countries from joining the alliance. The open gate policy remained unchanged.

This was clear from the very moment Russia announced a package of ultimatum demands.

The United States and Europe, agreeing to the conditions, would receive an irreparable blow to their reputation. A shameful flight from Afghanistan would be an innocent prank compared to the exclusion of the Baltic states from NATO, because Russia asked so.

With such a development of events, the Ukrainian leadership would at least fall into a stupor or, at the most, evacuate to Washington.

But for now, Secretary of State Anthony Blinken comments victoriously on the response to Russian demands:

The US is not making concessions.

Nevertheless, the Americans still deceived Kiev.

Or betrayed, if you will.

There is not a word about anti-Russian sanctions in Washington's diplomatic response. From Zelensky’s point of view, the Americans need not fan the hysteria around a possible invasion from the east, but block Nord Stream 2 forever. Well, or some other economic sanction to be stricter to invent.

CNN recently published its reflections on this topic, assuring that a seed of discord has been sown between Kiev and Washington.

The Ukrainians are allegedly dissatisfied with the panic around a possible conflict, and the Americans with the “downplaying of the threat” and the lack of “special gratitude” for the supplies weapons.

Of course, Kiev hastened to refute the insinuation, but, as you know, there is no smoke without fire.

With all due respect to the supply of weapons to Ukraine, they are completely insufficient in the face of a massive invasion of the Russian army. The United States categorically refuses to supply heavy equipment that requires serious training for Ukrainian operators. Only light anti-tank and anti-aircraft systems operating on the principle of "fire and forget."

And here we can agree with the Ukrainians - what is there to express “special gratitude” for?

Once again, you will not envy Kiev.

Firstly, the Western media are systematically pumping up the Ukrainians with the threat of an imaginary Russian invasion. The NATO countries even tried to scare them by evacuating their own diplomatic missions.

For Ukraine, these are nerves and losses in the economy. Even Secretary of the National Security and Defense Council Danilov had to reassure the population, saying that "a full-scale offensive of the Russian Federation is still being postponed."

Secondly, the Russian threat, which everyone is talking about, should force Kiev to mobilize the army - otherwise the "aggressor" will not be met.

But this is both expensive and scary - what if the Russian military is provoked.

You to me - I to you


There is nothing for Kiev to thank the United States in the light of the response to the Russian ultimatum.

Not only did Washington not refuse to negotiate at all after such “impudence” on the part of Moscow, it also proposed steps to de-escalate the situation.

Although the text has not been published verbatim at the request of overseas opponents, it is known that the United States offers steps to meet, and there are many of them.

This fact alone suggests that the ball in play is on the side of Russia – the opponent was the first to make concessions. Although, of course, not in full and not on all terms.

Diplomatic bargaining began, the true extent of which, if we find out, then in a few years - not earlier.

The Americans offer Russia to return the NATO missions that were recently disbanded in Moscow and Brussels, as well as to resume negotiations on arms control, including nuclear weapons.

Tension on the Russian-Ukrainian border is now at a fairly high level, and it would be nice to have, according to Washington, direct contacts between the military. We can also talk about direct inspection of NATO weapons in Europe by Russian specialists.

In Ukraine, a proposal was also made to create "mechanisms for mutual transparency regarding the deployment of forces."

Compare this with the situation one or two years ago.

The United States with satellites actually froze the entire negotiation process, provoked and supported "color revolutions" around Russia (Belarus is a typical example), and pointedly saber-rattled along the country's borders. Suffice it to recall the British destroyer Defender, which entered the territorial waters of Russia last summer.

Would NATO members now dare to such a provocation?

The question is rather rhetorical.

That is why the current status quo is definitely working for Russian interests.

First, the collective West has demonstrated that it is not so collective anymore.

The loudest cries of "beat Russia - save Ukraine!" are actually distributed only from Washington, London, Warsaw and the Baltic countries. Germany generally closed its airspace to British military assistance to Ukraine, refused to supply its weapons, offering only five thousand helmets in return.

The Ukrainians appreciated the latter, promising to "remember it for decades."

The less daring in NATO are simply keeping silent for now - France, for example, has not yet decided on the supply of weapons. The Croats, on the contrary, are determined and in the event of a mess they intend to withdraw their 15th contingent from the alliance forces.

Finland and Sweden at the end of January, so that nothing more happened, hastened to assure Russia that they did not intend to join the alliance in the near future.

It turned out that the vaunted NATO military alliance is not so cohesive.

However, this has long been hinted at by Turkish tricks, which, in essence, remained unpunished. And you can't blame the Europeans for weakness - first of all, healthy pragmatism plays here. The very real politics in which you need to sacrifice something in order to achieve your goal.

In this situation, obviously, they are sacrificing the interests of Ukraine and the imaginary unity of NATO.

It is very easy for the United States and even Great Britain to talk about the "villain" of Russia - they are well removed from the likely theater of operations. Even if it flares up in the Donbass, everyone will get it - both the exalted Baltic republics, and Poland, and further to the west.

Moreover, nuclear warheads will not necessarily fly. To destroy a respectable European landscape, hundreds of thousands of refugees, and blocked supplies of energy resources, and changes in transport logistics, and rising oil prices will be enough.

The Americans, and to a lesser extent the British, will look at it only as a tense fighter, throwing firewood here and there to keep the fire going.

Therefore, no one intends to undermine an already difficult situation.

Moreover, in February, the Allied Resolve-2022 exercises are planned, according to the scenario of which the option of repelling the strike of NATO forces is being played out.

From February 4 to 20, the Winter Olympic Games will be held in China, which cannot be disrupted by military provocations at all.

Beijing is very determined and can take revenge on the violator very cruelly.

The example of Lithuania suffices, with which China actually severed diplomatic relations, downgrading them to the level of charge d'affaires. Now, goods from China are not delivered to Lithuania and, on the contrary, the import of Lithuanian products to the Celestial Empire is closed. And all because Vilnius dared to open its official representative office in Taiwan, that is, de facto recognized the independence of the island state.

In the light of Russia's retaliatory steps, Moscow's negotiations with Nicaragua, Cuba and Venezuela also look suspicious. Of course, such “friendship” will be very expensive for the Russian Federation, but geopolitically it will bring incomparable dividends.

In the end, it all comes down to a fairly simple scheme.

Part of the collective West will for some time whip up hysteria around the imaginary Russian invasion of Ukraine. Everything that is in the arsenal of propagandists will be used - it is necessary to assure everyone around of the inevitability of aggression.

At the same time, Russia will silently stand its ground, occasionally fighting off the most absurd attacks.

For example, from News about the alleged request of Xi Jinping to Putin not to attack Ukraine yet: the Winter Olympics are on the nose!

But the intensity of aggression will eventually subside, and the West will inevitably sit down at the negotiating table. Before that, of course, having declared that the possibility of an invasion was prevented by the same grenade launchers, ATGMs and MANPADS.

And that's when detente will come, saving first of all for Europe. There is not long to wait - the first swallows will fly by summer.
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  1. Insolent_Schoolboy
    Insolent_Schoolboy 2 February 2022 04: 33
    +48
    I like phrases like "geopolitical dividends". To whom are the dividends? How do they materialize? Will the population get better from these dividends?
    Instead of all these multi-steps with Cuba, Venezuela, Nicaragua and other banana republics, it would be better to start gasification of the country, decent pensions, and reduce income inequality. This is what I mean by dividends. And geopolitics is an empty chatter that does not help anyone.
    1. Civil
      Civil 2 February 2022 07: 17
      +45
      I like phrases like "geopolitical dividends". To whom are the dividends? How do they materialize? Will the population get better from these dividends?

      Well, an irresistible feeling of pride in the state will arise, and this will move the masses towards labor heroism on the front of capitalist labor. An unprecedented spiritual upsurge will merge into a single impulse to build feudal capitalism: businessmen, people, and officials. The people will more happily endure all the hardships and deprivations from state extortions, price increases and reductions in real wages.
      1. Vladimir Mashkov
        Vladimir Mashkov 2 February 2022 22: 34
        -17
        Unnecessarily, in my opinion, Eugene is conciliatory and complacent. I believe and hope that Putin has prepared a more serious and quick surprise for the State Department/NATO and the EU. Which? Let's see. We are waiting! smile
    2. Snail N9
      Snail N9 2 February 2022 08: 11
      +29
      Seriously, I'm sitting here and thinking that you really have to be gifted to the fullest in order to demand from the West to do what Russia needs and hope that they will fulfill these requirements. The West does only what is beneficial to it and what it will be forced to do through the courts and nothing more. Do not understand this, and puff out your cheeks in empty "demands" that are not supported by anything, and even with the SP-2 pipes lying on the bottom of the sea, which they dragged with fart steam for the "partners" at their own expense - well, they will laugh there with a smirk "will they continue the pressure", and without hiding their ultimate goals at all, or is that all, have they already forgotten that at the gathering of the EU countries after the Crimea, and the Boeing, a decision has now been made to finally "press" Russia to the end? What have you been hoping for all this time? That everything "will resolve itself" and like a "new pipe" with free resources will solve everything? Didn't decide. And now what? What actions will we back up the "ultimatum" with? Will we stop selling resources to the West? Let's get out of patent law? Will we return all gold reserves to Russia? What else?
      1. paul3390
        paul3390 2 February 2022 10: 21
        +33
        hope that they meet these requirements

        I don't think that anyone initially hoped to fulfill the requirements. It looks like they were deflated with one option - to hear a clear and public "NO" in response.. So that the West would officially refuse us. But what we intend to do next - the near future will show ..
        1. ABC-schutze
          ABC-schutze 2 February 2022 14: 23
          -5
          Exactly...

          We need an OBJECTIVE, REAL and OFFICIAL basis for the subsequent, completely "autonomous", but adequate measures of Russia to ensure its military security and protect national interests.

          And everyone will go his own way ... And here Russia has the advantage, if only in the fact that it does not have a "cumbersome convoy of 30 carts." And, OBJECTIVELY, for a self-sufficient and sovereign Russia, such a convoy is not needed ...

          And when Russia "goes ahead" of the convoy of the NAO-vsky to a rather "frightening" distance, and Brussels and Washington will already run with their "proposals" to it ...

          And Russia, "slowly, will think" when to consider them. And is it worth...
        2. parma
          parma 3 February 2022 09: 25
          +6
          Quote: paul3390
          hope that they meet these requirements

          I don't think that anyone initially hoped to fulfill the requirements. It looks like they were deflated with one option - to hear a clear and public "NO" in response.. So that the West would officially refuse us. But what we intend to do next - the near future will show ..

          The demands were put forward with only one goal - to give something to the brains of their fellow citizens ... there are no internal successes, but it is necessary to show that there are successes (otherwise why do we need such effective rulers?) ... so they chose something that cannot be felt with their hands - foreign policy. What is always good about a war on TV from a real one - it starts when you want and, more importantly, ends in the same way, with the end of the news release ... and most importantly - what was called victory in the news, then it is, the war is only on TV ... in other words - in NATO they didn’t know that there was a conflict, but it turns out there is ... it’s customary for us to talk (in the article too) about NATO provocations when flying along our borders, without saying that, for example, last year the air forces of NATO countries rose more 300 times to escort our military aircraft near their borders… or about the naval exercises near Britain recently (yes, in neutral waters, but in the exclusive economic zone)… in general, it was possible not to take popcorn, the ending of this film was spoiled even before the start…
          1. ABC-schutze
            ABC-schutze 3 February 2022 11: 05
            -6
            I apologize to ask, are you posting your comments "sitting by the torch"? ..

            Who "doesn't" have some "internal successes"? .. Today's Russia? And what is it, isn't she, a month earlier, at the international exhibition in Dubai, "shooting back" for an "excellent" rating? ANALOGOV, a "micropower" nuclear power unit? .. Is this EVERYTHING that "somewhere" over the hill, and not "inside Russia, was planned for development, financed, developed and launched into a series or is being prepared for production? ..
            And this is AT LEAST...

            Or what are these "internal successes" in your understanding?.. Their "indicators"?..

            Exceptionally "continuous growth in the size" of the consumer feeder?
            1. parma
              parma 3 February 2022 13: 42
              +3
              Quote: ABC-schütze
              I apologize to ask, are you posting your comments "sitting by the torch"? ..

              Who "doesn't" have some "internal successes"? .. Today's Russia? And what is it, isn't she, a month earlier, at the international exhibition in Dubai, "shooting back" for an "excellent" rating? ANALOGOV, a "micropower" nuclear power unit? .. Is this EVERYTHING that "somewhere" over the hill, and not "inside Russia, was planned for development, financed, developed and launched into a series or is being prepared for production? ..
              And this is AT LEAST...

              Or what are these "internal successes" in your understanding?.. Their "indicators"?..

              Exceptionally "continuous growth in the size" of the consumer feeder?

              Let's go through the points:
              1) how many countries have a need for icebreakers, except for Russia? These are the USA, Canada, Finland and Sweden. The rest don't need them. Russia has the world's largest icebreaker fleet, can you guess why? And most of them are not nuclear-powered and not domestic ... so in particular, Nornickel practically cannot function without this fleet ... no one else has nuclear-powered icebreakers, because apart from our country nobody needs them ... shouting that forced (and one can only say our ) the measure is a huge achievement, about the same as talking about the greatness of football stadiums in Qatar, there are nowhere else in the world stadiums in the desert ... but no one else needs them, there is no competition ... and yes, and earlier in the world no one built nuclear icebreakers unless ?
              2) shot back at an exhibition in the UAE, how is it? We suddenly became the largest exporter of weapons (I am silent about industrial equipment) ... There seemed to be only “prospects and plans”, those POSSIBLE tomorrow, not today ... and what awaits tomorrow with a pitchfork, it seems to be written, from the MiG-35 to India 15 years ago they also traveled somewhere, as with a winner without analogues in the world, but it turned out to be only a concept with unclear prospects ...
              3) regarding domestic policy - there was no fight against corruption, it still isn’t, and it won’t be ... the standard of living is at the level of 2008 and is not growing (if something is improving, it’s only because technologies are becoming cheaper and more accessible), there is no infrastructure development, no development education, economic growth as a whole is only negative, there are no promised millions of high-tech jobs, there are no nanotechnologies. Should I continue, or does religion forbid the Kremlinbots to recognize reality?
              1. sleeve
                sleeve 3 February 2022 15: 19
                0
                Smiled at the first point. It's like about snow shovels, which are also not needed anywhere. But without them skiff. But since such an argument about icebreakers is used, then of course we will consider it an argument. Private and deeply personal, but still an argument. On the second point, it seems to me that in the conditions of the Russian economy being torn to shreds, total theft and corruption, and the extinction of technical and scientific personnel (mind you, I write everything without quotes)) it’s not bad at all to maintain a stable high-quality place (precisely stable and precisely high-quality) is not at all bad, and Yes, this is an achievement for anyone, well, like in the FIFA rankings.) Yes, sometimes it doesn’t go well with contracts, but we are not on a fair market, we are being pressured in this segment by completely different things, threatening and bribing customers. On the third point, it is very ambiguous, and if I may, it is better to postpone the comments. The work schedule will interfere with fencing with an argument), but in fact everything is not unambiguous there.
                1. parma
                  parma 3 February 2022 15: 48
                  -2
                  Quote: sleeve
                  Smiled at the first point. It's like about snow shovels, which are also not needed anywhere. But without them skiff. But since such an argument about icebreakers is used, then of course we will consider it an argument. Private and deeply personal, but still an argument. On the second point, it seems to me that in the conditions of the Russian economy being torn to shreds, total theft and corruption, and the extinction of technical and scientific personnel (mind you, I write everything without quotes)) it’s not bad at all to maintain a stable high-quality place (precisely stable and precisely high-quality) is not at all bad, and Yes, this is an achievement for anyone, well, like in the FIFA rankings.) Yes, sometimes it doesn’t go well with contracts, but we are not on a fair market, we are being pressured in this segment by completely different things, threatening and bribing customers. On the third point, it is very ambiguous, and if I may, it is better to postpone the comments. The work schedule will interfere with fencing with an argument), but in fact everything is not unambiguous there.

                  The icebreaker is a very peculiar “shovel”, in our conditions (the northern sea route) there is nowhere without them, it’s easier for the rest (of those who need it), but there are enough diesel ones for the eyes, and, sadly, the level of marine diesel power plants in countries west is much higher, I don’t know what made you smile ...
                  And what keeps this stable place? On the Soviet property .. everything that is exported from military equipment is the development and modernization of Soviet equipment (partial exception of the S-400, and even then there is a lot from the S-300, including missiles) ... regarding the "foul play", it is far does not always play a role, there are many examples when this is not the case (MI-28 for Iraq as an example ... but during the battles with ISIS, the low accuracy of the gun turned out, because the barrel is made light and thin, which is why it throws a lot) ... in the domestic technology has a problem in terms of “service” and quality (remember the story with MiGs for one North African country?), with stuffing and much more ...
                  In terms of living standards and everything else, this is internal politics, and factories are even opening, but they do not give a huge boost to the economy and do not affect life on average, but against the backdrop of promises (millions of new jobs, the average salary is higher than in Portugal and td) an obvious failure… you can talk about Western intrigues, but this is ridiculous, it’s not they who force the elite to withdraw money offshore… the elite prefers to earn money where there is corruption and bribes, and spend where the law works…
                  1. sleeve
                    sleeve 4 February 2022 13: 49
                    +1
                    Yeah, you're talking about "failure" basically. Then it is clear. If possible, it is better to share the discussion about icebreakers with other issues. However, as well as the "2nd" and "3rd" questions are the same. Let's talk a little about the general ... What is good reasoning, directed not from analytics, but from the desire to prove the goal? We can observe this in the methods of conducting international propaganda. An entertaining process at times: "Russia is the aggressor" and away we go. But we're not "the same" are we? Therefore, we will not touch the third question at all. There are so many factors of a force majeure plan, the conditions for external interaction, as well as the results themselves, and, in fact, pulling from the context, which is customary in relation to the current government (although there are already enough "philosophers" who are enough to laugh without pulling) because you need negative of a strictly defined direction. The funny thing is that discussions on this topic go through the efforts of the "attacking discussion notes" themselves to some theological level, where the interaction of "words" and "deeds" is discussed. That's how it is from the outside, so I think a person with our realities will easily start publishing articles with the headings "Putin's Infallibility" or "Putin's Word and the Formation of Reality". Well, something somehow counterproductive, right? On the second question, everything is simple: the "Soviet legacy" is great, of course, but in this case we are taking away the right of the people to have intellectual potential after the collapse of the USSR. They say it's not yours and that's it. Not the same authors of the "product" finish it and improve its characteristics based on the changing technological conjuncture in the world, not the same "high foreheads" derive logical nodal technologies on the basis of which completely new products are produced (I'm just talking about metal science and the same hypersound though would). The Soviet military-industrial complex, of course, was beautiful, but he killed the USSR. And it was no small task to preserve its essence and essence in the face of an attempt to eliminate it completely. We will still remember the heroes of the 90s in this matter with a kind word, I hope. But to make it effective against the backdrop of new realities is the same task. It is solved, of course, within the available framework.
                    By the way, why "separate" questions? In addition to the "general" phrases in the previous comment, there are numbers, facts and quotes on each issue. This is not directly the format to fill in the "fields" here. And yes, it will take time.
              2. ABC-schutze
                ABC-schutze 3 February 2022 16: 11
                0
                "Let's go through the points:
                1) how many countries have a need for icebreakers, except for Russia? "
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                No, really ... You put forward the thesis EXACTLY about a certain "lack" of INTERNAL achievements? .. Put forward ...

                So, now you should not fussily run away to "other countries" (sneeze on them ...) EXACTLY from the INTERNAL and VITAL NEEDS of the Russian state. The needs of economic, military and social (the same "conducted" Far North and put into operation, nuclear power plant "Akademik Lomonosov") for the Nuclear Icebreaker Fleet is needed by Russia ITSELF. And this is the main point. And it is SUCCESSFULLY and FAST being built. And you were CLEARLY shown this ...

                Behind this, your thesis is FALSE ...

                Well, for educational program. The nuclear icebreaker fleet "as well as nuclear energy in general) is needed by EVERYONE. And "already today."

                But, unlike Russia, not all of her "can" ... Moreover, "already today" ...

                "the promised millions of high-tech jobs are not there, nanotechnology is not."
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                You mentioned "millions" of jobs, that is, more "high-tech" who, where and in what time frame "promised" to create? ..

                Help, reference to the document, please. "to the studio"...

                By the way, "run away from the torch" ... The recent opening of a UAV production plant in the Moscow region reminds me of "high-tech jobs" in some way - after all. Don't you? .. Or again, "for the fight against corruption", "they didn't see" ...
      2. Diverter
        Diverter 11 February 2022 22: 52
        0
        you just don't know how to think like an analyst. in this ultimatum, the main thing and the main thing is to get a written answer. and the fact that it was impossible for everyone was immediately clear. That's what he applied for. Nobody will unleash a war. And the ultimatum was not given for this. Having received a written answer, the GDP will wait a pause, and then do what it was all started for. Because people like that don't do anything. And the GDP certainly has a lot of options. For instance.
        It is possible that the collapse of the USSR will be recognized as illegal, and then Ukraine is not a state.
        The Kremlin is now sitting thoughtful. And they have proven it time and time again. And there is something here.
    3. mikh-korsakov
      mikh-korsakov 2 February 2022 08: 38
      +7
      For those who deny the influence of geopolitics and other scoffers, I would advise you to watch the American film "The Next Day". I am not a fan of American films, but in this case everything is shown without embellishment. So there will be nothing to gasify, just as the old people will not have to raise their living standards, for lack of it. Someone will say, ha ha, but who needs us. If spiritualism is available to you, invoke the spirit of Saddam. He will tell you. You say ha ha, Saddam is a tyrant, and he was hanged for a reason. It so happened that I had to live in Germany for several years. Most of the migrants are from Iraq. Why would it be, oh yeah, Iraqis like to travel, is it stupid? Conclusion. Everything is needed: both geopolitics and gasification, but, I agree, in moderation.
      1. Civil
        Civil 2 February 2022 10: 15
        +9
        and other scoffers I would advise you to watch the American film "The Next Day".

        But recently the film was American, where elves, goblins, trolls, hobbits, created terrible geopolitics, threw a stolen ring into the volcano, and defeated the dead army of rare animals. laughing
        So there will be nothing to gasify, just as the old people will not have to raise their living standards

        That has already been done. You are an oracle.
        It so happened that I had to live in Germany for several years. Most of the migrants are from Iraq.

        These are the problems of Iraq and Germany. We have migrants from Central Asia, at the behest of the entire vice-premier, are imported. Hundreds of thousands. Also done.
        Everything is needed: both geopolitics and gasification, but, I agree, in moderation.

        As in a joke, strictly 50% to 50%, one horse per hazel grouse. laughing
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        2. ABC-schutze
          ABC-schutze 2 February 2022 14: 48
          -6
          "These are the problems of Iraq and Germany. We have migrants from Central Asia, at the behest of the entire Deputy Prime Minister, they are imported. Hundreds of thousands. Also done."
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          In fact, if you "strain your convolutions", it is easy to understand that the matter is not in the aforementioned "migrants" (that is, not in the external similarity of the German and Russian "migrant pictures"). And in the REASONS for the appearance of migrants "here and there." AND THE GOALS OF MIGRATION POLICY...

          And you, as I understand it, are trying to convince the VO forum that the reasons are "the same"? .. And the goals are "too"? ..

          Then, if it doesn’t make it difficult, in more detail, in terms of the argument ...
    4. Stirbjorn
      Stirbjorn 2 February 2022 08: 39
      +19
      Quote: Insolent_Schoolboy
      To whom are the dividends? How do they materialize? Will the population get better from these dividends?

      Speculators have made money on the jump of the dollar
    5. your1970
      your1970 2 February 2022 11: 42
      -13
      Quote: Insolent_Schoolboy
      Instead of all these multi-steps with Cuba, Venezuela, Nicaragua and other banana republics, it would be better to start gasification of the country

      Are you talking about the USSR now - which is exactly the same countries supplied, fed and armed
      And the gasification of rural settlements was only 6% by the collapse of the USSR .....
      It turns out - the USSR should have spit on Mozambique / Angola ...
      And instead of dragging a pipe to NATO in Germany at the height of the Cold War, gasify their villages !!!

      Conclusion - Putin performs multi-moves invented by the USSR. Nothing new ...
      1. NDR-791
        NDR-791 2 February 2022 12: 52
        +16
        Quote: your1970
        Conclusion - Putin performs multi-moves invented by the USSR. Nothing new ...

        Heh, interesting conclusion, plus for this wassat However, the conclusion is drawn to the conclusion: If the multi-move moves invented in the USSR led to its collapse, then the continuation of the multi-move moves invented in the USSR will lead to whose collapse?
        1. your1970
          your1970 2 February 2022 13: 00
          -1
          Quote: NDR-791
          the continuation of the multi-movements invented in the USSR, whose collapse will they lead to?

          It may well be ...
          “Complete peace of mind can only be given to a person by an insurance policy,” Ostap replied, without slowing down. “Any life insurance agent will tell you so.” (C) The Golden Calf
        2. sleeve
          sleeve 4 February 2022 14: 02
          +1
          It depends on what multi-move and who will use it)
      2. ABC-schutze
        ABC-schutze 2 February 2022 15: 44
        -1
        "And instead of dragging a pipe to NATO in Germany at the height of the Cold War, gasify their villages !!!"
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        And you are quite seriously sure and even trying to convince others (with THREE exclamation marks at the end of the tirade) that the USSR "should have done" this INSTEAD? ..

        Those. Do you put the gasification of "rural settlements", in terms of role and place, in one row and one level of tasks to be solved? .. And even give priority to the gasification of "rural settlements"? ..

        Excuse me, but have you ever studied the “technical side” of gasification issues in remote and sparsely populated areas? .. And the economic one? ?..

        The USSR quite pragmatically went to the developing countries in order, among other things, to control their natural resources through subsequent interaction. And not for the fact that "with all my heart" to engage in some kind of "fraternal charity". The issues of establishing a productive and STABLE interaction require DECADES of time.

        By the way, in those directions in which the USSR laid gas pipelines to Europe, that "along the way" and "in parallel" gasification of objects on Soviet territory itself was not carried out? .. Including "rural settlements"? ..
        1. ABC-schutze
          ABC-schutze 2 February 2022 23: 44
          -4
          Despite the "late hour", I will nevertheless take the trouble to complete this "gas plot" with a boring, but necessary (for some) educational program ...

          Firstly, because I was tired of the permanent and empty whining about the USSR, which was only engaged in "feeding everyone" to "detriment to itself" ...

          Secondly, because I'm tired of the BASIC and ELEMENTARY illiteracy of the "critics" in energy matters ...

          Dear ...

          The USSR's large-scale supplies of its energy carriers (including natural gas) "to Europe", already INITIALLY, at the PLANNING STAGE, were not (and NOW are not) a matter of "philistine burners" (or even "gas boilers" in philistine cottages). These tasks were solved with the PURPOSE, STABLE, LONG-TERM PROVISION OF THE ECONOMY OF SOLVENTING European buyers, COMPETITIVE at the cost of "kilowatt x hour". For EXACTLY STABLE, RELIABLE and affordable, primarily to the MANUFACTURER, ENERGY is the BASIS of a successful economy.

          Including, allowing the country - the consumer of the energy resource to develop infrastructure for the "burners" and "gas boilers" of the European citizen - the private consumer ...

          As well as, quite private, in this context, is the issue of "gas prices" at gas stations ... Not for "that" (that is, not for such particulars) this project was "started" ...

          Second ... the Soviet gas pipe" to Europe, came to the territory with ALREADY EXISTING (and quite developed) INFRASTRUCTURE and SYSTEM (personnel, operation safety control, design, installation, etc.) of service and delivery of the resource to specific "burners" and gas boilers.

          Those. The USSR with "its Gazprom" supplied natural gas along the MAINS, where, FOR a private layman, almost everything "was" thought out in advance. For, you know, somehow the "smart Germans" take it that way. While the main line, within the framework of a long-term project, "stretches" to Germany, people "in the field" - competent professionals, economists and gas workers, (that is, locally), plan where and in what volume gas can and should (beneficially) be offered to their private to the layman. And I invest in the creation of the appropriate infrastructure and training of personnel ...

          Behind this, cry ridiculous about that USSR (and Putin "now") INSTEAD of "gasification" of the village "at home", there is emotional stupidity. Already by virtue of the very INITIAL INCOMPARABILITY OF THE GOALS AND TASKS for the implementation of such projects. And, accordingly, planning investment priorities in the context of payback periods and profitability of subsequent operation. Sorry, but "gasification of remote rural areas is a NARROW SOCIAL, LOCAL, task. And not ECONOMY, which is the issue of IMPLEMENTING LARGE-SCALE supply of energy resources" anywhere "...
    6. bandabas
      bandabas 2 February 2022 11: 46
      +15
      What for? Officials report, sometimes repent, the guarantor scolds them paternally and throws small things at pensioners. We shoot movies in space, but the fact that queues in polyclinics and children for medicines are dumped is local excesses. But soon it will be oh-hoo! By the way. Personally, I did not hear any response to the answer.
    7. ABC-schutze
      ABC-schutze 2 February 2022 13: 07
      -9
      "...that the United States is offering steps to meet, and there are many of them.
      This fact alone suggests that the ball in play is on the side of Russia – the opponent was the first to make concessions. Although, of course, not in full and not on all terms. Diplomatic bargaining has begun...
      ****************************************************************
      No, this is not "diplomatic bargaining", but another demonstration of Washington's insolence. Quite expected though...

      What, in general, does "steps towards a meeting" mean? ..

      For almost XNUMX years, the USA and NATO, WITHOUT ANY MILITARY NEED, have been widely and brazenly "walking towards" Russia, creeping up to its borders. The US and NATO must take STEPS BACK, not "towards", or, in clear language, REALLY RETRACT from the Russian borders.

      And give GUARANTEES not to step in the direction of the borders of Russia from now on ...

      The beginning of a REAL "diplomatic bargaining", in principle, is possible only if Washington and NATO accept the requirements put forward by Russia, OBJECTIVELY JUSTIFIED, and their implementation.

      ONLY AFTER THIS, OBJECTIVELY, the PARITY "starting position" of the parties will be designated, from which it is possible (and necessary) to begin to agree (or "bargain") on how (and to whom) to ensure global and regional security and strategic stability, while building the future world order.
      1. ABC-schutze
        ABC-schutze 2 February 2022 13: 21
        -10
        "The Americans offer Russia to return the NATO missions that were recently disbanded in Moscow and Brussels, as well as to resume negotiations on arms control, including nuclear weapons."
        ************************************************** ************
        To the author again...

        FIRST, - the fulfillment by the USA and NATO, put forward by Russia, of COMPLETELY JUSTIFIED requirements (in which there is ABSOLUTELY NOTHING "impossible" for the USA and NATO), and only THEN, - the aforementioned "return of missions and negotiations on any kind of control" ...

        Russia is not obliged either to "preserve" the face of the United States and the last relic of the Cold War, the NATO alliance, or to contribute to such "preservation". This, in general, is not the task and not the problem of Russia.

        Russia is obliged to ensure its military and national security by responding ADEQUATELY and TIMELY to military risks and threats posed by the US and NATO. And Russia has REALLY STARTED to do this. It is a pity, however, that for well-known, objective reasons, with a fair delay. And there is no need to "slow down" it now, with regular invitations to all kinds of "ritual-diplomatic quadrilles", BEFORE the US and NATO fulfill the requirements put forward by Russia ...

        And the US and NATO should bear REAL RESPONSIBILITY for their policies. In T.Ch. and in the format of a REAL "loss of face" ...
        1. ABC-schutze
          ABC-schutze 2 February 2022 13: 44
          -8
          "With all due respect" to the supply of weapons to Ukraine, they are completely insufficient in the face of a massive invasion of the Russian army. ""
          ************************************************** *********
          And we have already gone through this ... "insufficient"? ..

          And if you remember how the development of NATO's military infrastructure near the Baltic borders of Russia began? "air police", 3 - 4 aircraft, with exclusively "patrol-police" tasks - "interception" of a possible violator of airspace, so that NATO neophytes, who do not have their own air force and airborne control means, do not "live in fear" , a possible "violation" ...

          Well, what has this NATO "purely police mission" "transformed" into today? For 20 years?

          Created THREE FULL-FULL MILITARY airfields. On which, in the 7 x 24 mode, NATO ATTACK aircraft are serving. Almost the entire "multinational" flight crew and all types of aircraft, incl. LA - "carriers" with their crews. These clearings were modernized to receive almost ALL TYPES OF US AND NATO LA. They are developing the infrastructure for receiving and staying the so-called. "rapid reaction forces" of all types ...

          And it all began, I remind you, with the usual statements "this does not pose any real threat to you."

          In short, that's enough ... Today, - "does not represent", but tomorrow it will. Russia, when building its national security policy, should not "react" to threats, but timely prevent THE POSSIBILITY OF THEIR APPEARANCE, ALREADY "at the stage" of the emergence of the corresponding risks ...
          1. ABC-schutze
            ABC-schutze 2 February 2022 14: 10
            -9
            Today is funny...

            Uncle Sam is "already offering" to Moscow (supposedly "in response" to the fulfillment of Russian demands) "to inspect" the European segment of the US NATIONAL ABM system deployed in NATO Romania. Like, "to make sure" that there are no Tomahawks in the launchers of the US "Patriots". And "immediately", like, and you "in response to this", allow us to inspect what interests us on your territory ...

            Well, no impudence? ...

            After all, ESSENTIALLY, this is a "plot" of this type ...

            We, the United States and NATO, to your Russian doorstep, blatantly and DEMONSTRATELY, inflicted a bunch of all sorts of "shit", but, so be it, "agree" to "fold it neatly" ....

            And you, "in response to this concession", rearrange the furniture in your own apartment, so "we like it", and not you ...

            No, guys...

            FIRST, only the COMPLETE removal from the Russian threshold of ALL the US and NATO inflicted on it, crap. And only then, negotiations on some "concessions" ...

            By the way, in the context of Romania, there the AMERICAN WEAPONS are located on FOREIGN (Romanian) territory (moreover, thousands of miles from the US borders). And Russia, it is proposed to "inspect" it, in some kind of "response" to the US "inspections" of Russian weapons on its OWN, RUSSIAN territory. Isn't that arrogance?
            1. 2 Level Advisor
              2 Level Advisor 2 February 2022 19: 59
              +4
              you wrote everything correctly, but due to the fact that Werner Holt is not GDP and not even Shoigu or Lavrov or Biden .. all this will remain on the pages of VO .. in addition, due to the lack of a description of a causal relationship in your texts - to whom then to implement your "program" it is essentially a set of slogans and desires .. but beautiful! just like the Foreign Ministry charged in December ..
              1. ABC-schutze
                ABC-schutze 2 February 2022 23: 56
                -7
                You see ... For some reason I believe that the General Staff of the Russian Armed Forces, as well as other "interested departments" already have such a "program" (and quite implementable). And even "not one" ...

                And my "services" are here unnecessarily...

                However, "to warm up", three or four successive versions of the Russian "answer" (quite realizable and not particularly burdensome in terms of costs) to NATO and Washington "disagreement" could be voiced by me. And justify the sequence of their implementation, so that the real "discomfort" of the United States and NATO, REALLY and CONTINUOUSLY, in the medium and long term, only grows ...
    8. Hlavaty
      Hlavaty 2 February 2022 23: 02
      0
      Quote: Insolent_Schoolboy
      I like phrases like "geopolitical dividends". To whom are the dividends? How do they materialize?

      Or maybe it's easier? As they say, "follow the money".
      Just big guys came to dispossess the Ukrainian oligarchs.

      This whole company strongly resembles an attack on the stock exchange - someone begins to escalate panic, shares fall in price and are bought up by interested parties.
      Then the panic passes, and the assets have new owners.

      So here - enterprises and other material assets of Ukraine have fallen sharply in value against the background of rumors about the war. And now I think there is an active process of change of ownership. And here all the oligarchs can profit - and Western, and Russian, and Chinese, and any others.
  2. Far B
    Far B 2 February 2022 04: 55
    +47
    Twenty-five again. Yesterday, there were only four (or three - I lost count) material on VO on this or near this topic.
    - ultimatum
    - response to an ultimatum
    - response to response to ultimatum
    - answer to answer to answer to answer... (~)
    Well, a simple question arises: why have our powers that be taken their children-relatives from the territory of a potential enemy to their native land? Have the Americans and other foreigners already frantically withdrawn assets from Russian business? Are mining and other enterprises being sold at bargain prices, if only not to remain in the zeros at all? Not? In this case, a simple, again, answer arises: all this hype is solely for the sake of diverting the attention of the philistine. Moreover, both from our side and from the opposite side. No, in fact, ultimatums - an exceptionally deceptive maneuver in order to confuse the lochtorat.
    For what? Well, one can only speculate. But here's what's interesting:
    1. On January 15, consideration of the anti-covid lawsuit of some British citizens began in The Hague (even a whole police investigation is presented as evidence). The defendants include the heads of corporations producing vaccines, the heads of health departments of a number of states, and other, so to speak, officials;
    2. Against this background, the British decided to completely remove covid restrictions, the rest of Europe - to seriously weaken them. Despite the fact that in European countries there is a strong increase in corona infections;
    3. Canada rebelled against the codes, so much so that Prime Minister Trudeau, together with the government, crawled under the rug, without saying which one - that's why they still can't find it (there are a lot of rugs in Canada - you will be tempted to turn each one over for the sake of incomprehensible labor);
    4. etc.
    Perhaps these events have nothing to do with ultimatums and responses to ultimatums. And perhaps vice versa. Perhaps the time has come for those who started a two-year experiment to corral humanity into a stall under the Covid-2019 pandemic logo to answer the public's numerous questions. And I don't want to answer. And after escalating passions around "ultimatums", many questions can be avoided (well, or at least they will no longer look so sharp). The same Trudeau will get out from under his rug, shake off the dust from his head and say, imitating a bunker inmate: "Well, what do you think without understanding? Look, what a tense situation in the world! Russia threatens!" And our bunker inmate, for his part, importantly assents: “What kind of covid-shmavid? You don’t need to pay attention to that, look at what a foreign political danger is gathering! Damn Nata is aggravating the situation! We need to unite and show understanding!”
    And both, you see, will win (and other officials with them): the people will forget that for two years, under the pretext of fighting the pandemic, they were used as rubber-technical product No. 2 - and in the next elections they will vote as they should. For those who competently resolved the foreign policy situation. That is, for the current ones. And it does not matter that it was the current ones who created such a situation. This, too, will be safely forgotten by everyone - because attention was correctly diverted.
    1. parusnik
      parusnik 2 February 2022 06: 33
      +10
      Twenty-five again. Yesterday, there were only four (or three - I lost count) material on VO on this or near this topic.
      - ultimatum
      - response to an ultimatum
      - response to response to ultimatum
      - answer to answer to answer to answer...
      Well, what do you want, today is "Groundhog Day" laughing
    2. Polite Moose
      Polite Moose 2 February 2022 07: 34
      -1
      Quote: Dalny V
      - ultimatum
      - response to an ultimatum
      - response to response to ultimatum
      - answer to answer to answer to answer...

      While the diplomats are talking, the guns are silent.
      1. Cosm22
        Cosm22 2 February 2022 09: 48
        +20
        If our diplomats hadn't sometimes spoken outright nonsense, today the situation would not look so shameful for Russia.
        I spoke about the fact that the fingering will not work more than a week ago. Before showing off with an ultimatum, it was necessary to think a little. For example, about how and what to explain everything to the same jingoistic patriots (by the way, they keep quiet about something in this thread), if they don’t show off.
        1. Polite Moose
          Polite Moose 2 February 2022 10: 17
          -8
          Quote: Cosm22
          I spoke about the fact that the fingering will not work more than a week ago.

          Vladimir! hi Agree that obviously unrealizable requirements are not just put forward. It might work in elementary school (maybe). Then, when asked, you will either have to match or turn on the back. To pierce empty show-offs for our "comrades" is like death. 24th year is just around the corner. It means that they made bets on something, on something that has not yet leaked into the world. The stakes have been made and the situation is slowly aggravating: the Iranian leader came to handle it, Cuba and Venezuela with Nicaragua make curtsies, we conduct joint exercises with the Chinese, Belarus and Kazakhstan were extinguished. In general, we are building a unified defense system with the Belarusians. But it's all so, small cards. The main trump cards, in my personal opinion, have not yet been played. And, again, my personal opinion: Putin will not sit down to play without trump cards. Especially when his, let's say, head is at stake. hi
          1. Cosm22
            Cosm22 2 February 2022 10: 37
            +21
            Yes, I would be impressed with your conclusions.
            If not for one circumstance.
            Around the same time, exactly the opposite events occurred.
            In less than a month, Putin armed Ukraine with the hands of the West like never before.
            NATO countries (whatever they write in our media) are showing an enviable consolidation.
            Personal sanctions (rather rather sickly, by the way) against the Russian president and his entourage are already ready and are on the table, waiting only for the "H" hour.
            Mentions of Venezuela with Nicaragua (Zimbabwe was forgotten), of course, warm the soul, but the saying immediately comes to mind: "having such friends and enemies is not necessary." These friends are thin. The weight categories are not the same.
            In recent years, Belarus has already followed in the Russian wake. As for Kazakhstan, it is not known for certain who took part in extinguishing the fire more - Russia or China. There are rumors, you know.
            What's the bottom line?
            Oh yes, trumps.
            It's all about whether they exist or not. On the arms or in the sleeve. In some cases, the game can be interpreted as cheating or bluffing.
            1. Polite Moose
              Polite Moose 2 February 2022 12: 59
              -4
              Quote: Cosm22
              In less than a month, Putin armed Ukraine with the hands of the West like never before.

              I dare to suggest that the logic of your statement is such that if we had not put forward our demands to the West, then no one would arm Ukraine and would not slowly draw it into NATO or another anti-Russian alliance? Or would this not have happened without Putin?
              Quote: Cosm22
              NATO countries (whatever they write in our media) are showing an enviable consolidation.

              Especially Hungary, Croatia and Germany. Yes, I also forgot Turkey, they are really eager to enter into a conflict with Russia off the leash.
              Quote: Cosm22
              Personal sanctions (rather rather sickly, by the way) against the Russian president and his entourage are already ready and are on the table, waiting only for the "H" hour.

              I’m just at a loss to guess what they can personally do to Putin? Not invited to the next gatherings? Funny.
              Quote: Cosm22
              These friends are thin. The weight categories are not the same.

              And you don't have to be friends with them. And there is no need to look for protection from them either. All that is required of them is to lease a small piece of land and / or water for our military needs for a long time. And it doesn't matter what we place there and whether we place it. The very fact of the possibility of accommodation is important. By the way, Zimbabwe will also fit.
              Quote: Cosm22
              As for Kazakhstan, it is not known for certain who took part in extinguishing the fire more - Russia or China. There are rumors, you know.

              In this case, official sources of information look more reliable. The bottom line is stable Kazakhstan. If the Chinese secretly put their hand to this, then give them health, Buddha.
              Quote: Cosm22
              In some cases, the game can be interpreted as cheating or bluffing.

              When the game is over and the bank is broken, few people will be interested in intimate details. There will be a winner and a loser and the stakes are very high.
              Quote: Cosm22
              Oh yes, trumps. It's all about whether they exist or not.

              I agree that it is much easier to play with trump cards than without them. I am sure that not only you and I understand, but also those who sat down at the card table on our side. hi
            2. ABC-schutze
              ABC-schutze 2 February 2022 15: 18
              -6
              “At about the same time, exactly the opposite events occurred.
              In less than a month, Putin armed Ukraine with the hands of the West like never before.
              NATO countries (whatever they write in our media) are showing an enviable consolidation."
              ************************************************** ****
              Isn't it funny for you to show off with such a banal-primitive "argumentation" on the VO forum?

              Those. "it is suggested to believe" that "if" Russia "sat quietly", then the United States and NATO would not "become", slowly - creepingly arming the former united Ukraine and WOULD not slowly - creeping, INCREASE their military potential and DIRECT military presence on the territory of the former united Ukraine?.. Even without the "acceptance" of the former united Ukraine into NATO?..

              Which, by the way, is even more profitable for Washington and Brussels, because it allows "using" the former united Ukraine "according to anyone", without obligations in relation to it under NATO's "5th column" ...

              The Russian ultimatum is good (it’s even wonderful ...) because it FORCED the USA and other NATO “gulchatai” to forcefully (that is, “completely unplanned”) fuss, and CLEARLY “open” the face of REAL GOALS and INTENTIONS ...

              Indeed, today Russia, with its really restored and improved potential, has ALREADY objectively no longer needed to "expect" something from someone there ...

              That's all... Time was given to everyone... Opportunities to "understand" correctly were also given to everyone and in a timely manner (starting with the Munich speech, about which, in today's context, criticism of the "Russian ultimatum" was abruptly "forgotten" for some reason). But ALL of this, if it "speaks" of anything, then ONLY that Russia in general and "Putin in particular" are ABSOLUTELY CONSISTENT in this matter ...

              And Russia NOW, if the US and NATO do not accept its conditions, will INDEPENDENTLY and INITIATIVELY determine not only the "agenda" in matters of global and regional military security, but also the PACES and DIRECTIONS of its implementation ...

              And it seems to me that the latter, for the "big guys" in the US and NATO, will be extremely "uncomfortable". This is like a MINIMUM ... Other neophyte limitrophs with their "possible reaction" are not discussed at all ...
        2. Serg89
          Serg89 2 February 2022 20: 31
          -3
          There was no flawed nation syndrome in Russia, therefore, the problem is you, that you consider the substantive questions on security to be “show-offs” of diplomacy. Those. your thinking is like a backyard punks. Behind these show-offs is a clear signal to the whole world, this is knocking out the green light for actions to independently ensure their own security, and all the costs will fall on those "who did not hear the show-offs." Shameful not for Russia, but for people like you who are trying to disgrace her, pretending to be her citizen. Think about how flawed you are and not sure that you are sublimating it to "someone out there." I hope this is a bot.
          1. ABC-schutze
            ABC-schutze 3 February 2022 00: 03
            -8
            I agree ...
  3. samarin1969
    samarin1969 2 February 2022 05: 41
    +34
    The author explained the poor. It turns out - "We won!" Thanks for enlightening me... laughing

    Eugene claims that the West "was the first to make concessions" and the situation is not the same as it was 1-2 years ago.
    Real concessions in the Donbass are not noticeable .... Weapons flooded into Ukraine. A 200-strong technological army with combat experience is being formed. NATO infrastructure is concentrated at our borders. No one said a kind word to either the Russian Federation or Iran for the fight against barmaley.

    And where is the OSCE now? Burkhalter in June 2014 promised something else: "the situation with European security ... at the level of states' points of view on their security." This moor has already done his job. Now our "points of view" are in the wastebasket. We only hear ultimatums.
    1. Snail N9
      Snail N9 2 February 2022 08: 25
      +12
      All Russian gold reserves are located in the west and invested in various funds on "secret" conditions, what kind of "ultimatums" can there be? Yes, and there was no "ultimatum", there was only a miserable groaning about the fact that someone there, once, supposedly someone, "verbally" promised and did not fulfill the REQUEST! sit down at the table and develop a new system of international security guarantees, BUT! develop it on the basis of the existing situation in the mid-90s. Moreover, even the most stubborn patriots should be clear that no one and nothing will "play back" and will not go to any restrictions for admission to NATO. And in general, this is not an "ultimatum", but a REQUEST and an OFFER! This was put up as an "ultimatum" in the Russian media - like that's what we are now "bold" - an "ultimatum" put up!
      1. paul3390
        paul3390 2 February 2022 10: 25
        +3
        All gold reserves of Russia are located in the west

        What do you understand by SVR? If the announced amounts - so they are for another. This is not a stash. This is securing the debts of our companies to the West. We can't afford to spend it on ourselves. Arrest gold reserves - this is a real reason to cancel debts in response. Let's see who gets worse. But the real stash - I think it is stored in other places ..
  4. Jacket in stock
    Jacket in stock 2 February 2022 05: 41
    +7
    the intensity of aggression will eventually subside, and the West will inevitably sit down at the negotiating table. Before that, of course, having declared that the possibility of an invasion was averted

    I don’t know about negotiations, but in the end the Americans / British will announce their victory, they say that’s how we scared Pu that he changed his mind about attacking Kiev. And ours will announce theirs. And everyone will feel good, but not only everyone, but only those who are at the feeder.
    The total capital of 25 Russian businessmen has decreased by more than $18 billion since the beginning of 2022, RIA Novosti calculated based on data from the Bloomberg Billionaires Index (BBI) rating.
    1. parusnik
      parusnik 2 February 2022 06: 35
      +15
      The total capital of 25 Russian businessmen has decreased by more than $18 billion since the beginning of 2022, RIA Novosti calculated based on data from the Bloomberg Billionaires Index (BBI) rating.
      ..Is the price of potatoes going down now? laughing
      1. Dimy4
        Dimy4 2 February 2022 06: 51
        +12
        Is the price of potatoes going up now? laughing

        It is doubtful, but we still have 250 re. they ask for a bucket. But the gasoline engine is slowly creeping up.
      2. NDR-791
        NDR-791 2 February 2022 12: 58
        +12
        Quote: parusnik
        ..Is the price of potatoes going down now?

        No, gas prices are going up. Actually already ... that Friday, for 50 kopecks.
    2. Serg Kam
      Serg Kam 2 February 2022 06: 49
      +29
      I don’t know about negotiations, but in the end the Americans / British will declare their victory

      So, in fact, they won.
      We gave them an ultimatum, they sent us. There is no action from our side. Everything.
      Now the whole world sees that there is nothing behind the Kremlin's words.
      The man said - the man did it, it seems that it should be so that others respect ...
      1. Serg serg
        Serg serg 2 February 2022 07: 25
        +7
        . The man said - the man did

        If not, then the man was joking)))
      2. your1970
        your1970 2 February 2022 11: 49
        -15
        Quote: SergKam
        Now the whole world sees that there is nothing behind the Kremlin's words.

        But at the same time, the United States pitifully asks - "Do not publish the answer" ..
        Strange, isn't it? They sent us, but they are very modest ....

        Z.s. and with Venezuela, the United States fell into hysterics - no way for their president to go to Russia !!! no way !! This is a mortal sin !!
        1. Serg Kam
          Serg Kam 2 February 2022 14: 34
          +8
          Don't post an answer.
          Strange, isn't it? They sent us, but they are very modest ...

          Don't worry so much, they have already published it themselves, through the Spaniards.
          There is nothing new and unusual there.

          https://topwar.ru/191851-ispanskoe-izdanie-opublikovalo-otvet-ssha-i-nato-na-predlozhenie-rossii-po-garantijam-bezopasnosti.html
        2. Vintorez
          Vintorez 2 February 2022 16: 00
          +2
          Did the Americans say that their answer should not be published or ours?
      3. Fiesta
        Fiesta 2 February 2022 14: 02
        +12
        The man said - the man did it, it seems that it should be so that others respect ...

        Well, that's assuming the guy first thought before he spoke. And now, in fact, Putin has put himself in such a position that inaction will make a "paper tiger" out of Russia, who tried to buzz, but he was put in his place by the "brave lads" from NATO, and if he attacks, then Russia is "a bloody militant regime that needs to be isolated" and will give a pretext for further strengthening NATO in Eastern Europe, well, they will also add additional. sanctions from above and the ruble will crawl to the mark of 100 per dollar. Lose-lose.
      4. Aleksandr21
        Aleksandr21 2 February 2022 18: 46
        -4
        Quote: SergKam
        There is no action from our side. Everything.
        Now the whole world sees that there is nothing behind the Kremlin's words.


        Where are you in a hurry?

        MOSCOW, February 2 - RIA Novosti. During the visit of the Russian delegation to Beijing on February 4, Russian President Vladimir Putin and Chinese President Xi Jinping will adopt a joint statement on international relations entering a new era, and will also talk tête-à-tête


        Judging by this information, the GDP will not just go to Xi, but will also test the ground and the support that China-Russia can provide in the event of a sanction, and based on this, further steps will be taken. So it is worth waiting for the return of GDP from Beijing and hear our answer.
  5. yuriy55
    yuriy55 2 February 2022 05: 45
    +12
    And that's when detente will come, saving primarily for Europe.

    You really are. Until Russia shows its teeth to the United States, no one in Europe (even under the threat of losses) will go against the United States, as well as towards Russia. Isn't the example of "SP-2" clear?
    I agree with those who propose to move from politicking to real business.
    Water wears away a stone, and chatter is both red and motley, but empty.
    hi
    1. Polite Moose
      Polite Moose 2 February 2022 09: 01
      -24
      Quote: yuriy55
      I agree with those who propose to move from politicking to real business.
      Water wears away a stone, and chatter is both red and motley, but empty.

      It all depends on which side the time is on. As it seems to me personally - on ours. Winter is in full swing, the price of gas is in space, Europe is freezing, money is dripping. Hlyandiya is marinated in its own juice, slowly beginning to see clearly. Zelensky's rating is falling. We are neither hot nor cold. Or rather, it's hot, because. we have gas. But the p-s decided to aggravate the situation - they let all their mongrels off the leash and began to inflate the bogey of the occupation of Ukraine by evil Putin and import weapons there. Goal: unleashing a database (of any scale), for example, in the LDNR, followed by the EU boycotting any economic activity with us. Although this is not profitable for Europeans, they will have nowhere to go. And then the taking of Nezalezhnaya under "protection" would follow with the introduction of troops and its instant acceptance into NATO with all the problems that follow for us. How events will develop - I do not presume to predict. Time will tell. But I am sure that the Ukraine-Russia war, even with the complete defeat of Ukraine, is exactly what all this ukrokasha was brewed for. hi
      1. yuriy55
        yuriy55 2 February 2022 09: 13
        +18
        Quote: Polite Elk
        It all depends on which side the time is on. As it seems to me personally - on ours.

        I would gladly share your joy, if not for one circumstance. This situation does not last the first winter. And for 22 years (times) winter has come, the price of gas allows you to pay bonuses and pay fines, Europe continues to use gas ... Tell you who does not have time? See:

        You see, I live near Altai. I have a situation in Ukraine or somewhere in Poland or the Baltic states - up to the lantern.
        I still assume that distracting Russians from internal problems is more successful, judging by the number of articles on “set” topics ...
        hi
        1. Polite Moose
          Polite Moose 2 February 2022 09: 57
          -6
          Quote: yuriy55
          And for 22 years (times) winter has come, the price of gas allows you to pay bonuses and pay fines,

          There have never been such prices for gas. Therefore, those whose dreams come true will never miss such a chance to cut the dough. Yes, and you have to be a moron not to take advantage of the situation. The longer the period of ultra-high prices lasts, the more money they will make. Why are we here with you? I agree, it doesn't really matter. But handouts will be made for the people from taxes from the sale of gas in the form of indexation of pensions and financial capital, some national projects will be launched, an extra icebreaker will be built or something else. Definitely better than no tax revenue.
          I almost completely agree with Platoshkin. But, if we, without wasting time, "We'll bang. The whole world is in dust ..." and consolidate the entire disparate European swarm against ourselves, will the problems he voiced disappear? An increase in the size of external problems will definitely lead to an aggravation of internal ones.
          Quote: yuriy55
          distracting Russians from internal problems is more successful, judging by the number of articles on “set” topics

          I somehow hardly believe that knocking an ultimatum (or whatever you want to call our list of demands) on the table like that is an attempt to distract people from reality. It's just that the topic is quite acute, and the media are profiting from it. hi
          1. yuriy55
            yuriy55 2 February 2022 10: 02
            +10
            Quote: Polite Elk
            It's just that the topic is quite acute, and the media are profiting from it.

            This is what annoys me. Some cash in on "fried" facts and roll their eyes in public, simulating a political orgasm, while others live on pennies, not being able to EVEN get to a doctor (to give birth in a hospital) ...
            1. Polite Moose
              Polite Moose 2 February 2022 10: 36
              +1
              Quote: yuriy55
              Some cash in on "fried" facts and roll their eyes in public, simulating a political orgasm, while others live on pennies, not being able to EVEN get to a doctor (to give birth in a hospital) ...

              Since 2014 our (I mean ordinary citizens of Russia) income and standard of living have fallen by about half. The new coronavirus, or rather the stupid fight against its spread, exacerbated the situation. But, since we are discussing the time factor, tell me: will an immediate forceful solution to the “Ukrainian issue” have a positive effect on the situation in the country? I think it will get worse. Europe will refuse, at a loss, from our gas, grain, metal, fertilizers, etc. for political reasons - there will be nothing special to fill the budget with. That's when the real problems begin. Therefore, no one in our government is in a hurry to wave a saber. hi
              1. yuriy55
                yuriy55 2 February 2022 10: 52
                +10
                Quote: Polite Elk
                That's when the real problems begin. Therefore, no one in our government is in a hurry to wave a saber.

                In our government, there is a rare meeting of “specialists-professionals” at all times ... It seems that when they are appointed to positions, they are most worried about the question: “How much can you steal make money in this position?
                This is where such modest results come from.
                Huge territory, huge energy potential... Yes, we can feed half the world with environmentally friendly products. Israel grows vegetables and fruits in the desert, which cannot be compared with the same Uzbek or Azerbaijani ones ... We can't or don't want to?
                Quote: Polite Elk
                Europe will refuse, at a loss, from our gas, grain, metal, fertilizers, etc. for political reasons ... - there will be nothing special to fill the budget.

                ... and will be bent under the competition of cheap goods. Their workers will lift them on their pitchforks ... They just covered the export of round timber and ...?
                Russia simply needs to change (radically) its own economy.
                1. Polite Moose
                  Polite Moose 2 February 2022 11: 08
                  -9
                  Quote: yuriy55
                  In our government, a meeting of "specialists-professionals" rare at all times...

                  In fairness, I want to note that under EBN the team was such that this one before them in terms of the scale of ripping off the people still grows and grows.
                  Quote: yuriy55
                  and will be bent under the competition of cheap goods

                  I wouldn't count on it too much. While the fat one dries, the skinny one dies.
                  Quote: yuriy55
                  Russia simply needs to change (radically) its own economy.

                  I totally agree.
                  1. Ingvar 72
                    Ingvar 72 2 February 2022 11: 28
                    +13
                    Quote: Polite Elk
                    under EBN, the team was such that this one before them in terms of the scale of ripping off the people still grows and grows.

                    If you look closely, they are the same people.
                    1. Polite Moose
                      Polite Moose 2 February 2022 11: 41
                      -13
                      Quote: Ingvar 72
                      If you look closely, they are the same people.

                      As the saying goes: "Fedot, but not the one." They danced to the tune of p-owls and Europeans, like circus dogs and sold the whole country with giblets. The consequences are still being felt. For some reason, the current ones bark at the owner to their own detriment, and even strive to bite. Perhaps the conditions of survival have changed.
                      1. Ingvar 72
                        Ingvar 72 2 February 2022 11: 44
                        +23
                        Ask how many assets have been owned by foreigners since 2000.
                        How many businesses, schools, hospitals liquidated at the same time.
                        EBN nervously smokes on the sidelines.
                      2. Polite Moose
                        Polite Moose 2 February 2022 11: 58
                        -14
                        Quote: Ingvar 72
                        Ask how many assets have been owned by foreigners since 2000.

                        And what happened to these assets? Were they bankrupted, razed to the ground, or do they work and bring, in addition to profits to the owners, taxes to our treasury and the hope that the owner will not want a confrontation with us?
                        Quote: Ingvar 72
                        How many businesses, schools, hospitals liquidated at the same time.

                        How many have been built?
                        In my district, over the past 3 years, a new school has been built and 2 kindergartens and another one has been expanded with outbuildings. I agree that the situation in the country is far from normal, but tell me, when, in your opinion, was it better, then or now?
                        I personally remember the 90s with horror. One joy that he was young. hi
                      3. Cat Kuzya
                        Cat Kuzya 2 February 2022 12: 10
                        +16
                        Under the so-called "EBN", oddly enough, it was much better - then all this pack divided natural resources and put a big and fat one on the population - like, live as you want, or rather, survive. That is: we have our problems, and you have yours. And it was enough for everyone - some selflessly took away the Soviet legacy, others robbed the bowels, and the people themselves found sources of survival and, in principle, they had enough, if not lazy. Now the situation has changed radically - the socialist heritage has been plundered, natural resources have been pumped out or divided, and the food base for the Kremlin has decreased. They decided to take on the people, and began to milk them "nepodetski", calling them "second oil", and limiting this people in the possibilities of earning, which led to their rapid impoverishment. So, the times of "EBN", compared to the reign of "GDP", are indeed much better for many than today, and even if you take into account .. Utin's pension robbery and the current coronation of the authorities.
            2. Ingvar 72
              Ingvar 72 2 February 2022 11: 01
              +19
              Quote: yuriy55
              not being able to EVEN get to the doctor (to give birth in the hospital)..

              I am now in the clinic with a child, all appointments of patients have been canceled, except for emergency cases. Wait for the end of the pandemic.
              I am waiting for the manager, I will demand a written refusal to receive medical assistance.
              1. Serge-667
                Serge-667 2 February 2022 11: 32
                +6
                I'm waiting for the manager

                Unsubscribe what ended necessarily!
                1. Ingvar 72
                  Ingvar 72 2 February 2022 11: 37
                  +14
                  Already found an extra ticket! laughing
                  By the way, this technique, the requirement of a written refusal, works almost everywhere. hi
                  1. Cat Kuzya
                    Cat Kuzya 2 February 2022 14: 32
                    +13
                    Gee-gee. How lucky you are. I brought my 86-year-old father to the clinic and was sent - no reception and that's it. Go to pay. I went to the manager - she is not there - "on the road". The head physician is "on the road", everything is on the road. I went to a paid SM clinic. Bah, and what do I see there by chance? And I see that our
                    a local therapist who, like, in the "red zone on the road" receives there. Here it is, what a "pandemic".
                    1. Ingvar 72
                      Ingvar 72 2 February 2022 18: 55
                      +5
                      Quote: Kuzya the Cat
                      Bah, and what do I see there by chance?

                      Our ENT accepts this. Moreover, in the same office he receives for free, and at other hours he conducts a paid reception. laughing
            3. your1970
              your1970 2 February 2022 11: 56
              -8
              Quote: yuriy55
              having the opportunity to EVEN get to the doctor (to give birth in a hospital)

              Not a citizen of the Russian Federation? however, even non-citizens give birth in maternity hospitals ...
              We have a choice - you want on the spot, you want in the region in several different maternity hospitals.
              Strange as that ...
              1. yuriy55
                yuriy55 2 February 2022 12: 19
                +9
                Quote: your1970
                Not a citizen of the Russian Federation? however, even non-citizens give birth in maternity hospitals ...

                You got to the cap analysis ... There, high above there is a video under the spoiler, where Platoshkin N.N. tells how people live in Altai... Look, I advise...
              2. Ingvar 72
                Ingvar 72 2 February 2022 18: 43
                +8
                Quote: your1970
                We have a choice - you want on the spot,

                My partner's wife gave birth last year, on Saturday. No Uzist, weekend! And this is a district perinatal center, and not just a maternity hospital.
                It's not weird, it's a pattern.
                1. your1970
                  your1970 3 February 2022 06: 09
                  -5
                  Quote: Ingvar 72
                  Quote: your1970
                  We have a choice - you want on the spot,

                  My partner's wife gave birth last year, on Saturday. No Uzist, weekend! And this is a district perinatal center, and not just a maternity hospital.
                  It's not weird, it's a pattern.

                  Quote: yuriy55
                  others live on pennies, not being able to EVEN get to the doctor ( give birth in a hospital)..

                  The absence of a doctor - I agree, it may well be. And it has always been, it’s certainly not news - I already wrote to you about the only surgeon in our Central District Hospital
                  But this is NOT the inability to give birth in
                  hospital
                  1. Ingvar 72
                    Ingvar 72 3 February 2022 15: 11
                    -2
                    Quote: your1970
                    But this is NOT the inability to give birth in
                    hospital

                    As a result, blind childbirth, with double entanglement and forward legs. Thank God everything worked out. But this is the level of the stone age. With the same success, I took the birth of my second daughter at home, when the ambulance simply did not have time.
                    1. your1970
                      your1970 3 February 2022 15: 20
                      -2
                      Quote: Ingvar 72
                      Thank God everything worked out

                      That is, obstetricians are not in business? Were they just standing next to each other?
                      1. Ingvar 72
                        Ingvar 72 3 February 2022 15: 53
                        -1
                        Quote: your1970
                        That is, obstetricians are not in business? Were they just standing next to each other?

                        As I said, this is the level of delivery available at least a hundred years ago in a rural hospital. In a modern perinatal center, which cost hundreds of millions of taxpayers' money.
                        And in a number of regions, the only maternity hospitals in the region were closed, and women in labor were forced to go to a neighboring settlement themselves. Data in the public domain.
                      2. your1970
                        your1970 3 February 2022 20: 17
                        0
                        Quote: Ingvar 72
                        And in a number of regions, the only maternity hospitals in the region were closed, and women in labor were forced to go to a neighboring settlement themselves. Data in the public domain

                        Just now you demanded links from me, despite my request ....
                        please provide an example of some regions...
                      3. Ingvar 72
                        Ingvar 72 3 February 2022 21: 24
                        0
                        https://zakonguru-com.turbopages.org/zakonguru.com/s/medicina/rodilnye-doma.html
                        https://samru-ru.turbopages.org/samru.ru/s/society/novosti_samara/111955.html
                        https://news.myseldon.com/ru/news/index/238294513
                        https://lezhnev--sergey-livejournal-com.turbopages.org/lezhnev-sergey.livejournal.com/s/7842.html
                        Closed all over the country. You will find much more if you enter the query "Maternity hospitals are closed"
      2. Serg Kam
        Serg Kam 3 February 2022 00: 19
        +8
        As it seems to me personally - on ours. Winter is in full swing, the price of gas is in space, Europe is freezing, money is dripping.

        1. 2 days ago, China started celebrating the Spring Festival.
        2. Restoration of volumes of Russian gas transit through the territory of Ukraine collapsed European gas prices.
        3. In Central and Southern Europe, the year began with anomalous heat. The temperature breaks records in Britain, France, Italy, Spain. The swimming season opens on the coast, but the ski season is under threat. In the Alps, not only real, but also artificial snow is in short supply. Almost April weather is now in Paris.
        https://www.1tv.ru/news/2022-01-03/419009-anomalno_teplaya_pogoda_v_samom_nachale_yanvarya_ustanovilas_v_tsentralnoy_i_yuzhnoy_evrope

        But you fantasize further, remember the proverb about the one who gets richer with his thought?
        1. Polite Moose
          Polite Moose 3 February 2022 08: 59
          -5
          Quote: SergKam
          1. 2 days ago, China started celebrating the Spring Festival.

          Great news. If this makes the Chinese feel warmer, I'm very happy for them.
          Quote: SergKam
          The restoration of volumes of Russian gas transit through the territory of Ukraine collapsed European gas prices.

          Price reduction by 10% to $900 per 1000 cubic meters - is it a collapse? Okay, let there be a collapse. Everything depends on the point of view. I think that if Aleksey Miller were asked what he would ask Grandfather Frost for the New Year, he would answer: The collapse of gas prices at $ 900 per hectare.
          Quote: SergKam
          In Central and Southern Europe, the year began with anomalous heat

          I don't understand why you are happy. The weather is a changeable thing. From the fact that it has become warmer (not the fact that it is final), the almost empty gas storages of Europe will not be filled. Well, the need for gas fuel will decrease slightly, so what? Win? They will still buy gas from Gazprom. And paying for it is far from $170-270.
          Quote: SergKam
          But you fantasize further, remember the proverb about the one who gets richer with his thought?

          Did I understand correctly that selling gas to the EU at horse prices is a fantasy? And the fact that Gazprom is quite satisfied with this state of affairs and is ready to endure it for years - is this also a fantasy?
          Maybe the fantasy is that part of Miller's income will be protruded into the "bins of the Motherland"?
          Do real realists have "Everything is lost"?
          1. Serg Kam
            Serg Kam 3 February 2022 10: 38
            0
            Price reduction by 10% to $900 per 1000 cubic meters - is it a collapse?

            This is a collapse.
            Because, in December, the price of gas exceeded $2000. Decrease more than 50%.
            https://www.rbc.ru/economics/21/12/2021/61c1c1ec9a7947778919069e

            They will still buy gas from Gazprom. And paying for it is far from $170-270.

            Maybe not $170-270, but not much more.
            Gazprom operates under long-term contracts. And the prices are different there.
            Putin: Hungary buys Russian gas five times cheaper than the market price in Europe

            https://tass.ru/ekonomika/13583259
            1. Polite Moose
              Polite Moose 3 February 2022 11: 29
              0
              Quote: SergKam
              This is a collapse.
              Because, in December, the price of gas exceeded $2000. Decrease more than 50%.

              How does this fit with
              Quote: SergKam
              The restoration of volumes of Russian gas transit through the territory of Ukraine collapsed European gas prices.

              In January, gas was traded on the spot in the area of ​​1000-1100. And the increase in the volume of ukrotransit was due to the contract. Nothing out of the ordinary happened. The great and mighty Ukrainian gas transit regulator is not involved at all here. The price has dropped to $950 - still in excess of profit. And for long-term contracts for 10-15 years, $ 270 is a very good price. With the existing volumes of gas sales, you don't have to worry too much about filling the budget. And, most importantly, both Gazprom and the government have drawn conclusions for the future.
              PS A person whose name is Alexey Miller could be deceived 1 time. And that's just because he's Alex. If his name was, for example, David, then even once it would not have happened.
  6. Lair
    Lair 2 February 2022 06: 25
    +24
    The President of the Russian Federation disagreed with the author of the article yesterday, saying the following: "Russian President Vladimir Putin said that the United States ignored Russia's fundamental concerns about security guarantees. Speaking in the Kremlin after a meeting with Hungarian Prime Minister Viktor Orban, the head of state noted that in the response of the West there was no "adequate consideration of the three key demands of Russia regarding the prevention of NATO expansion, the refusal to deploy strike weapons systems near Russian borders, and the return of the bloc's military infrastructure in Europe to the state of 1997."
    Simply put, in response to its demands, Russia received a refusal, the mobilization of NATO, the forced arming of Ukraine by the West and the beginning of a full-fledged "cold war". The question arises, why did Putin do this? Apparently, after receiving negative answers from NATO, Russia plans to radically resolve the issue with Ukraine, or it will have to admit that completely inadequate people are in power in the Russian Federation who do not understand what they are doing.
    1. mojohed2012
      mojohed2012 2 February 2022 09: 04
      +21
      An info-reason was launched by the Russian Foreign Ministry, a negative response was given to it, condemnation and Russophobia of the United States and NATO, and everything is getting stronger.
      The conclusion is like in that fairy tale: "Soldiers! They showed our tsar a fig. Attack! We will all die to the last!"
      but in fact there is no answer to the figure.
      If the "ultimatum" contained a really worked out, coordinated and verified "Russia's decisive response", then we would already see this response right now. But in fact - all this was buzzing and another, but already paperwork, "concern" that a weak and timid bear was surrounded by barking dogs from all sides. The bear tearfully asks the dogs not to bark and let him out of the circle, but the dogs continue to bark, even trying to bite...
      1. your1970
        your1970 2 February 2022 12: 02
        -18
        Quote: mojohed2012
        but in fact there is no answer to the figure.

        Therefore, the United States hysterically demands that the President of Venezuela not travel to Russia ....
        "Yes, they will teach you bad things there !!!! Well, don't go, don't ... !!!!" (c)
        Why would request request request such a panic in the United States ???
        1. Sergej1972
          Sergej1972 2 February 2022 20: 03
          +3
          Actually the President of Brazil.
    2. Snail N9
      Snail N9 2 February 2022 09: 21
      +27
      Everything that is "planned" after Russia was sent to the West, with "three funny letters" is the introduction of new restrictions for its population - a further increase in prices for everything, maintaining the African level of wages, increasing old and introducing new taxes, introducing a total control, restriction of rights and freedoms, the introduction of a new even more extortionate pension system, etc. That's the excuse - the enemies are all around - we need to tighten our belts and rally around the Lake cooperative .. So we will win.
  7. nikvic46
    nikvic46 2 February 2022 06: 27
    +8
    The word "ultimatum" must be discarded immediately. It was invented by propagandists. For what purpose it is not clear. An ultimatum is usually given to a broken side as a result of hostilities. When negotiations are impossible. The situation is completely different here. There are demands, and the result of these demands will be seen in the future.
    1. Serg Kam
      Serg Kam 2 February 2022 06: 52
      +1
      There are requirements


      Ultimatum (lat. ultimus - the latest) - a requirement associated with a time limit.

      You should at least look at the definition of an ultimatum before blaming the propagandists.
      It was just an ultimatum.
      1. nikvic46
        nikvic46 2 February 2022 07: 41
        -1
        Sergei. And how long will this "limited time" last? A year, two?
        1. Serg Kam
          Serg Kam 2 February 2022 07: 56
          0
          And how long will this "limited time" last?

          The Supreme has set a time frame - "immediately."
          Are there any requirements? There is
          Are there time limits? Yes, "immediately".
          So this is an ultimatum.
          "You must give us guarantees, you - and immediately, now, and not talk about it for decades" V.V. Putin

          https://tass.ru/politika/13284101
          1. nikvic46
            nikvic46 2 February 2022 08: 46
            0
            Sergei. Neither you nor I know what will happen in the future. I recalled Davydov's conversation with Nagulny. "You live Makar, as in a dream." The whole trouble of the capitalist states is that they do not think about the future. to see Carthage as partners in the sale of resources, to put it mildly, is wrong. And talking about our propaganda, there are simply indecent words. In the people, this is called Hackwork. Whether our answer was sent to the Americans or not.
            1. Serg Kam
              Serg Kam 2 February 2022 08: 56
              +2
              Sergei. Neither you nor I know what will happen in the future.

              Well of course.
              I just noticed that in December we put forward an ultimatum.

              The whole trouble of the capitalist states is that they do not think about the future.

              It seems to me that those in power are thinking about the future, about THEIR PERSONAL future.
              And when the PERSONAL future and the future of the country diverge, they remember that their shirt is closer to the body.
        2. Blackmokona
          Blackmokona 2 February 2022 07: 58
          +11
          All the ultimatum has already received an answer, not only verbal but also in writing. Now either start a war or a shameful retreat. This is how ultimatums work.
    2. Snail N9
      Snail N9 2 February 2022 09: 47
      +21
      That's just what's on the Mail. ru article appeared that Gazprom "at the request" of "partners" increased the pumping of gas through Ukraine at a price .... 75 Euros. So, "recaptured the price" for SP-2, you say? "Ultimatum" to the West, you say? To be honest, I'm already sick of empty boltology and blowing into the ears from "HPP fans" and "getting up from my knees." It's disgusting, honestly. We all disperse.
      1. Cat Kuzya
        Cat Kuzya 2 February 2022 11: 22
        +9
        Well, actually this is the price of MGEV. Everyone understands the price for 1000 cubic meters will be somewhere around 965 USD. But the fact that they resumed through Ukraine with the SP-2 lying at the bottom of the sea, the certification of which, as the Germans recently announced, is no longer in the interests of Germany, is a bad sign. I think Ukrainians are rubbing their hands from another zrada against Muscovites.
        1. your1970
          your1970 2 February 2022 12: 05
          -2
          So the payment still went to Ukraine under the contract for transit. Even if you don’t download a cube at all ...
  8. parusnik
    parusnik 2 February 2022 06: 30
    +8
    And that's when detente will come, saving first of all for Europe. There is not long to wait - the first swallows will fly by summer.
    "The whole of America is in terrible turmoil.
    Eisenhower is sick of war. But in his public speeches he says that he is a wall for peace.
    Sing, swallow, sing. The world breathes in spring. Let the arsonist hiss and yell, The dove flies. Did you like it?
    I thank you, numerous Muscovite friends. And you, guests of the capital, for coming today ... to a meeting with art. It's raining outside, and we have a concert. Everything goes, everything flows, autumn, my friends, beautiful Moscow autumn. But the barometer for all Soviet people ... shows clearly. And Comrade Levitan says on the radio: "The weather is clear in Moscow, and it's foggy in London." But I want to believe, my friends, that someday Levitan will announce on the radio : "Everywhere the weather is clear, the fog has cleared" "(c). smile
  9. Serg Kam
    Serg Kam 2 February 2022 06: 44
    +24
    Although the text has not been published verbatim at the request of overseas opponents, it is known that the United States offers steps to meet, and there are many of them.

    Poor bastards..
    This is how quickly you need to change shoes, so that after public words:
    You (USA) only have to sign this

    it's time to collect the bags

    Rejoice in what
    The Americans offer Russia to return the NATO missions that were recently disbanded in Moscow and Brussels, as well as to resume negotiations on arms control

    Everyone, let's go. The ultimatums are forgotten, the public refusal of the United States is forgotten, now we must be glad that the United States is ready to return the NATO mission to Moscow, what a joy
  10. Stas157
    Stas157 2 February 2022 06: 58
    +18
    . It was clear from the moment Russia announced a package of ultimatum demands.

    Why were they announced?

    . The United States with Europe, agreeing to the conditions, would receive irreparable damage to reputation

    And the Kremlin, having received a refusal, did not receive a blow to the same reputation?

    . Ukraine was deceived again

    Or maybe Ukraine deceived everyone. Ukraine was pumped with weapons and money under the Russian threat, and now Nenka refuses to fight! Having received everything (from NATO), Zelensky suddenly announces that according to the latest intelligence data, Russia is not going to attack, and, accordingly, the Ukrainians have no one to fight with.

    . ball in play for Russia

    Will we score?
    1. nerovnayadoroga
      nerovnayadoroga 2 February 2022 20: 30
      -8
      , the ball is in the field, on our side ...
      1. Aag
        Aag 3 February 2022 10: 11
        +4
        Quote: nerovnayadoroga
        , the ball is in the field, on our side ...

        ... it seems that even in our penalty area))) ... the video replay will show which side of the goal line ...
  11. TatarinSSSR
    TatarinSSSR 2 February 2022 07: 40
    +32
    The author sucked some kind of incomprehensible "detente" out of his finger, supposedly concessions to the United States ... The fact that the Americans simply agreed to negotiate is interpreted as an achievement, almost a victory! Yes, we have come down with politics from concerns ... Shame.
    1. Snail N9
      Snail N9 2 February 2022 08: 43
      +30
      And this is typical now in Russia - a choir of sycophants of all stripes thinks out and "deciphers" what "meant" in the next set of words "great multi-move", how he "defeated" everyone and "changed the geopolitical situation in favor of Russia", and here Biden at that time rewrote all the price tags in stores and at gas stations in Russia upwards, and NATO made its way and forbade raising salaries, keeping them at the level of Zimbabwe, and Brussels scattered regular utility bills with fees increased by 8% ...
  12. Daniil Konovalenko
    Daniil Konovalenko 2 February 2022 08: 18
    +12
    And that's when detente will come, saving first of all for Europe. There is not long to wait - the first swallows will fly by summer.
    It means that? We will continue to drink NATO drinks, go to NATO stores, buy NATO household appliances and power tools, drive NATO cars, continue visiting NATO resorts, etc.
    and most importantly, it's not going anywhere now? Will everything stay the same? laughing
  13. Egoza
    Egoza 2 February 2022 08: 39
    -22
    In my opinion, it was already clear that they would answer the ultimatum. No one expected to make concessions. I hope that now you can say "we offered you - you did not want to" and, finally, take decisive action. One rocket on the Yellowstone volcano and where will that America be? And the Ukrainian troops will wait a long time until they are attacked.
  14. Stils
    Stils 2 February 2022 09: 16
    +20
    Against the background of yesterday's indistinct muttering of the peresident, it became clear that all these frights in front of NG turned out to be a loud blowing of foul-smelling bubbles into a puddle.
  15. riwas
    riwas 2 February 2022 09: 36
    +2
    From Zelensky’s point of view, the Americans need not fan the hysteria around a possible invasion from the east, but block Nord Stream 2 forever.

    And for itself, Ukraine solved the problem with Russian gas.
    "Strana.ua": Ukraine began to buy gas from Hungary from Russia through intermediaries

    https://ria.ru/20220202/rossiya-1770599103.html
    Orban previously stated:
    Russia and Hungary have come very close to an agreement on the supply of an additional 1 billion cubic meters of gas, Hungarian Prime Minister Viktor Orban said following talks with Russian President Vladimir Putin.

    https://ria.ru/20220201/gaz-1770572850.html
    Russia is again playing with Ukraine in the giveaway.
  16. steelmaker
    steelmaker 2 February 2022 09: 45
    +12
    Putting the US and the EU in their place can be very simple and fast. It is enough to recognize the privatization of the 90s as illegal! For 30 years, foreign owners have not built anything, have not created jobs. On the contrary, electronics disappeared in Russia, and this is after Buran, mechanical engineering, machine tool building. And this means that in the event of war, Russia will not be able to mass-produce military products. Therefore, we now have a piece production, that of aircraft, that of tanks, that of air defense.
    "1. We will carry out the nationalization of strategically important and backbone industries, the electric power industry, railways, communication systems, leading banks. The state will regain its monopoly on the production and wholesale of ethyl alcohol. This will give impetus to development and bring trillions of rubles to the treasury annually; will allow the formation of a development budget instead of the budget of impoverishment and degradation.
    2. Restoration of Russia's economic sovereignty. There are several trillion rubles in the government's money-box. But these colossal funds were transferred to the management of foreign financial organizations. The trillions of rubles that are stored in banks and US debt obligations, we will make investments in production, science and education. The new government will save the Russian economy from total dollar dependence. Will create a financial system in the interests of the state and citizens of the country. We will restrict the access of foreign speculative capital to the Russian market. We will refuse to participate in the WTO, because for 4 years of being in this economic punishment cell, we received more than a trillion rubles of direct losses and 5 trillion - indirect ones.
    3. Credit resources - for economic recovery. To this end, we will reduce the bank interest. We will stop the wild withdrawal of capital abroad. ....etc."
    This is from the GRUDININA program. And where is this Grudinin now?
    1. your1970
      your1970 2 February 2022 12: 11
      -11
      Quote: steel maker
      This is from the GRUDININA program. And where is this Grudinin now?

      I’m embarrassed to ask - this is the one who is the owner of the means of production (93% of the shares of Sovkhoz .. CJSC) and the exploiter - in terms Marxism-Leninism????
      And yes - his program is strictly contrary to the program of the Communist Party (see "stage 3" of the program of the Communist Party).

      Z.s. especially delivers about "we will stop the withdrawal of capital abroad ..." from a person who forgets there about a bunch of bills
    2. Cat Kuzya
      Cat Kuzya 2 February 2022 14: 44
      -3
      "Putting the United States in its place" can be even easier - to tell the President of the Russian Federation from the UN rostrum the truth about where Covid-19 actually came from. True, at the same time, it will be necessary to cover up a little "friend" - China, because at first it was a joint project with the United States, but this is even for the better - so that our "Chinese friend" is not too impudent.
      1. Cat Kuzya
        Cat Kuzya 3 February 2022 16: 35
        -1
        Only a bunker pissing to do it.
  17. tralflot1832
    tralflot1832 2 February 2022 10: 36
    -10
    Putin VV will fly away to the opening of the Beijing Olympics, before that he will give an order to Shoigu, do not start anything without me!
    1. bk0010
      bk0010 2 February 2022 13: 36
      +12
      Quote: tralflot1832
      Putin VV will fly away to the opening of the Beijing Olympics, before that he will give an order to Shoigu, do not start anything without me!
      In 2008, both of them were also at the opening of the Beijing Olympics, and what, did it change something a lot? The beginning of the mess is not up to us.
  18. tihonmarine
    tihonmarine 2 February 2022 11: 59
    -12
    From Zelensky’s point of view, the Americans need not fan the hysteria around a possible invasion from the east, but block Nord Stream 2 forever. Well, or some other economic sanction to be stricter to invent.

    A sick person has a sick imagination. With the current energy crisis, and the "green energy" that did not work, now Europe can only be helped by "Northern Pot-2", there is no other way out yet. With this statement, Zelensky sets all of Europe against himself. Moreover, Ukraine can offer Europe nothing but squealing that Russia has been waging a war against it for 8 years, and even Poland and the Baltic states no longer believe in it.
    Isn't it time for Ukraine to change its mind and start living as people should.
  19. Ryaruav
    Ryaruav 2 February 2022 13: 15
    +13
    And where is the so-called military-technical answer, only the grave will fix the trembling
  20. fif21
    fif21 2 February 2022 16: 58
    -11
    World in anticipation of war. The expectation is being whipped up by the US and its sixes. Ukraine is hysterical, but already tired of everyone. hi
  21. Tavrik
    Tavrik 2 February 2022 17: 51
    +6
    Quote: ABC-schütze
    FIRST, - the fulfillment by the USA and NATO, put forward by Russia, of COMPLETELY JUSTIFIED requirements

    And if they don't?
    Do we have leverage? Or do we seriously want to influence US policy through the deployment of something there in Cuba, in Nicaragua, etc.? Even if we come to an agreement with these countries, which I strongly doubt, the United States will simply wait until we build something there, deploy it, invest billions, and then arrange a gray-brown-green revolution there, nullifying our investments. These are Anglo-Saxons. For centuries they worked out all sorts of cunning political combinations.
  22. MrFox
    MrFox 2 February 2022 19: 43
    +7
    The author, I did not understand from the text, did we send them or did they send us?
  23. Maks1995
    Maks1995 2 February 2022 20: 24
    -2
    And not tired?
    Bargaining has begun.

    But it is necessary to show the "overcome". Russia on horseback, Americans in flight.
    Which one?
    Very simple. Join Ukraine here. "Ukraine has been deceived again"
    In what - indistinct general words, but deceived.
    Peremoga.
  24. victor50
    victor50 2 February 2022 20: 27
    +9
    Looks like we won after all?! laughing I had no doubt that they would explain to us how cool we were with them! lol
  25. p0pulivox
    p0pulivox 2 February 2022 21: 13
    +3
    In the light of Russia's retaliatory steps, Moscow's negotiations with Nicaragua, Cuba and Venezuela also look suspicious. Of course, such “friendship” will be very expensive for the Russian Federation, but geopolitically it will bring incomparable dividends.
    So far, this has not brought any dividends, and where will they appear in the future?
    But the intensity of aggression will eventually subside, and the West will inevitably sit down at the negotiating table. Before that, of course, having declared that the possibility of an invasion was prevented by the same grenade launchers, ATGMs and MANPADS.
    And that's when detente will come, saving first of all for Europe. There is not long to wait - the first swallows will fly by summer.
    Yes, they are still "talking" with us, but what's the point?! Why will détente come and why will it be saving first of all for Europe, what are the grounds for this (and the trump cards we have)? Strictly speaking, with the "ultimatum" everything is still proceeding as predicted by sensible commentators. In the meantime, many of the (not) expensive Russians, against the backdrop of intensifying cries for victory, have the right to think: "So they will rob" ...
  26. Karabin
    Karabin 2 February 2022 22: 17
    +14
    A difficult period for propagandists. The ultimatum has been answered. Vova was sent. It is necessary to do something, but there is nothing and no one to do it. This shame somehow needs to be translated into a feat. The task is not trivial.
  27. Glagol1
    Glagol1 2 February 2022 23: 47
    +5
    Author or bot or propaganda bot. Sculpts nonsense and baldeet. We are all on the eve of a grandiose world nix, what pancake benefits?!
  28. Knell wardenheart
    Knell wardenheart 3 February 2022 00: 18
    +8
    It seems to me that in general, any reaction of the West to all this
    This was clear from the very moment Russia announced a package of ultimatum demands
    it would be possible for us to sing plenty of how "were scared!" . Absolutely - any. They would not give us an answer - they were afraid of severe retribution! They gave an answer - they talk on equal terms, which means they are afraid! If they would mobilize the armies, then it’s completely scary! They wouldn't do anything - it means "they are afraid to anger Russia." Well, and so on.
    If you look from this point of view - well, pure success! If you try impartially - not a very successful attempt is not clear why. If it was the formation of a casus beli, then we harness it for a very long time, and somehow, on the whole, indecisively. If it is really severe when it comes to security, they burst into an unambiguously predictable situation too quickly.
    We quite had the opportunity to calmly prepare our forces for something, and not "induce a nightmare". Since we prepared in 2014, at least. On inducing horror, we are more likely to catch a few more sanctions.
  29. picus
    picus 3 February 2022 03: 18
    +3
    Why didn't the author of this opus go to school?
  30. zontov79
    zontov79 3 February 2022 04: 45
    0
    Another article about victory? If they do not make concessions, then the missiles must be in the cube !! And Putin is already engaged in domestic politics, your lackeys have already ripped off the people to the utmost!! Everything is rubbing. Real steps are needed, then the conversation with America will work out!
    1. lot
      lot 5 February 2022 09: 09
      -1
      What is the pop, such is the arrival. And then the arrows on lackeys then? What steps do you envision?
      Where or what.
  31. evgen1221
    evgen1221 3 February 2022 12: 32
    +7
    On VO, not analytics, but simply retellings of the events that took place interspersed with wang from the media, Analytics as such is a vanishing minimum
  32. Whatman
    Whatman 8 February 2022 04: 55
    0
    The West has already refused the Russian Federation. You can talk all you want, but it will not lead to anything. Ukraine's integration with the EU and Western countries will continue.
    The Russian Federation is not in a position to get involved in a new arms race. The USSR could afford it, and then while the price of oil was high.
  33. iouris
    iouris 8 February 2022 12: 13
    0
    By the way, it was written not "reboot", but "overload". As always, the Russians do not understand what "peace" is really waiting for. For the time being, the "world" should be understood as the United States.
  34. Sloboda0
    Sloboda0 11 February 2022 00: 25
    -2
    The essence of the situation is that there was and is no confrontation between the United States and the Russian Federation. It was and is and remains the confrontation between the US and the USSR.
    At the same time, the Russian Federation is just a pocket private superstructure over the RSFSR, created to optimize the process of economic degradation and reformatting. Plus control over nuclear weapons, technologies and resources, hunting for qualified personnel, etc. etc. At the same time, the real leadership of the Russian Federation lives and keeps capital in the same place and in the same way as their brothers from the USA, England, Israel. He teaches his children in the same schools and institutes. In the leadership of the resource enterprises of the Russian Federation, foreigners directly work in senior positions for wild salaries. You can go on for a long time.
    If you look over all this mess, then the very essence of the confrontation has not changed.
    It's just that the USSR managed to create a very huge colossus. NATO could not completely take control of the entire Union, not to mention the United States separately. They would stupidly lack qualified officers.
    Therefore, a policy of gradual colonization and absorption is used.
    The classic is basically...
    coup. Bringing some rubbish to power.
    The placement and rotation of personnel is purely formal. Creation of a system of managed corruption to suck out economic efficiency. Cultivation of regional elites. Recruitment from society to the service of sociopaths and in general any Goffin, the formation of police units from them to protect the newly-minted nurtured elite.
    All this on the body of the USSR. And it is inextricably linked with our history.
    And everything would go smoothly for them ... but the further the popularity of the Union increases. The rating of the Communist Party is now really higher than Edra. This has so far been leveled with the help of the administrative resource, but it is still visible. I myself do not look positively towards the communists ... but a fact is a fact, and ignoring it is stupid.
    Here and there the Union is somehow visible from all this chaos.
    And this is what really scares them and stops them.
    For all these years The Russian Federation was the most important ideological symbol conceptual victory of the West and capitalism over the USSR and communism.
    There is no way they can lose this flag, because this will mean the end. Not the beginning of the end, but the very end. Fast and swift.
  35. Avior
    Avior 11 February 2022 16: 38
    +2
    This was clear from the very moment Russia announced a package of ultimatum demands.

    What a strange position from the author. What kind of ultimatum is this, which obviously no one will fulfill?
    An ultimatum is either-or.
    And with the second, or somehow it turned out problematic.
    In fact, after all, the Americans did not fulfill any of the requirements of Russia. And no reaction is visible, but the author manages to find some kind of victory in this situation.
    Like, Finland and Sweden will not join right now. A dubious victory, to be honest.