Turkey announces delivery of Anka attack drones to Kazakhstan

Kazakhstan will soon receive Turkish Drones Anka, Turkey is preparing to deliver a drum part to the republic drones. This was reported by the press service of Türk Havacılık ve Uzay Sanayii (TUSAS).

The signing of a contract for the supply of Turkish drones to Kazakhstan was reported at the end of November last year. As part of the signed contract, until 2023, the Kazakh Air Force will receive 3 attack drones, 2 ground control stations, as well as logistical support, which will include training for UAV operators, spare parts and documentation.

Commenting on the contract, TUSAS said that drones for Kazakhstan are already being manufactured and they will be sent to the republic in the near future. However, the exact delivery time is not disclosed.

The development of the Anka drone began in 2004 after the US refused to sell Reaper and Predator attack drones to Turkey. Initially, TAI developed two versions of the device: Anka Block A (reconnaissance) and Anka Block B (strike), and the serial model, which received a full range of capabilities, was called Anka-S.

Anka-S has a maximum takeoff weight of 1,7 tons (payload -350 kg). The wingspan is 17,4 m with a total length of less than 8 m. The drone is equipped with a 2.0 hp Thielert Centurion 155 piston engine. With. The declared maximum duration of stay in the air is 24 hours, the flight altitude can reach 9 km.

The main purpose of the new UAV is reconnaissance, observation, as well as strikes against ground targets.

Comments

[tralflot1832]

Yes, the Turks were engaged in import substitution before us.

[Dikson]

That's what the life-giving tomato business does! It’s not for you to pull gas pipelines anywhere ..

[seacap]

And at their own expense, or rather for ours with you.

[URAL72]

And at your own expense, or rather for ours with you.

Yours is only what the relatives put in the box, we won’t take it with us anymore.

[Flooding]

Fact.
In this class, the Turks are ahead.
Sirius has yet to fly.

[Alex777]

Tokayev demanded to review the programs for the purchase of weapons.
There is no exact data, but I suppose the Turks may be a little surprised.
KZ arms suppliers were directly connected with the Elbasy clan.

[OgnennyiKotik]

Quote: Alex777

There is no exact data, but I suppose the Turks may be a little surprised.

And not only them. We recently held a meeting with China and the Central Asian countries, without the Russian Federation. We agreed on very interesting things. The fact that the special services were behind the coup d'état and the riots is unambiguous, but whose second question is. Judging by the biography of Tokayev and the beneficiaries, it becomes clearer whose.

[Alex777]

Judging by the biography, Tokaev is our Soviet man.
The fact that the meeting with China was in the 5+1 format is not surprising.
Previously, all such meetings were held at the SCO site.
After the admission of India and Pakistan to the SCO, the SCO became incapacitated.

[venik]

Quote: Flood

Fact.
In this class, the Turks are ahead.
Sirius has yet to fly.

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But "Orion" is already being built in series, and not only at the Moscow site of "Kronstadt", but already in Dubna:

[Flooding]

Quote: venik

But "Orion" is already being mass-produced, and not only at the Moscow site of "Kronstadt"

you're right
but I'm talking about "humped" classmates with satellite communications

[venik]

Quote: Flood

you are right, but I'm talking about "humped" classmates with satellite communications

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Little late:
January 27 2022
Science and Technology
Shoigu presented the first flight model of the Orion drone
Russian Defense Minister Shoigu was shown the first flight model of the Orion UAV with satellite communications

(Small white SpS radome in the upper part of the fuselage in front of the center section)

[Flooding]

Quote: venik

Little late:
January 27 2022
Science and Technology

what and who was late?
Shoigu presented the first flight prototype
at a time when the Turks are already exporting

[venik]

Quote: Flood

what and who was late?

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Yes, you are a bit late with comparisons (in the sense of "Bayraktar"). By the way, the Outpost also has a satellite communication system (at first it was Israeli, then on domestic replaced). On "Altius" - too .... In our country, in general, satellite communication systems have not surprised anyone for a long time ....
In general, to be honest, I suspect that satellite communication systems will not be installed on all Orions: Firstly very expensive; Second, far not always necessary!

[Flooding]

Quote: venik

Yes, you are a bit late with comparisons (in the sense of "Bayraktar").

I wrote about Anka and Sirius
Anka-S is mass-produced
Sirius and new Orion - not yet
as much as we would like otherwise
so I see no reason to dispute my words

Quote: Flood

In this class, the Turks are ahead.
Sirius has yet to fly.

The outpost is clearly in a lighter class

[venik]

Quote: Flood

The outpost is clearly in a lighter class

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What's the difference? "Outpost" - although lighter, it belongs to the same MALE class (medium-altitude with a long patrol time). "Altius" is generally a "heavyweight"!
The point is that the satellite control system has not been something "unattainable" on the horizon for a long time (and the horizon, as you know, is an imaginary line: you approach it - it moves away!".
Of course, controlling an aircraft via satellite is not an easy task, but we have solved it for a long time ....
It’s just that the Orion, like the Bayraktar, is an UAV designed to operate in the operational depth of the formation of enemy troops. And here, satellite control, as it were, is far from always necessary ..... There was an order from the Moscow Region - they delivered it!
By the way, we have an SSU of our own design and manufacture, but the Turks - that's all - imported!

[flicker]

In this class, the Turks are ahead.
Sirius has yet to fly.

Are the Turks ahead?

[Flooding]

Quote: flicker

Are the Turks ahead?

have something to discuss
but what matters is the end product.
when the Italians launch a frigate, we count the combat unit, and not how many percent of the equipment and weapons are from the NATO cooperative
and when the Bayraktars buzzed over Karabakh, no one counted how many non-Turkish components were there.

[Murmur 55]

Now I won’t say for sure, but the Turks had problems with their UAVs because of Canada and France, something they blocked Ankara there.

[Sergey BM]

They didn’t seem to replace anything, they didn’t have American drones
and imported components

[OgnennyiKotik]

Quote: Sergey BM

They didn’t seem to replace anything, they didn’t have American drones
and imported components

1. They had and still have UAVs made in the USA and Israel: GNAT-750, MQ-9 Reaper, RQ-7 Shadow, Heron, Aerostar.
2. Components are being actively replaced. And on similar or superior in quality. Only this affects the price upwards.

[Ratmir_Ryazan]

No, not before, the Turks use the technologies and units of Western countries.

[APASUS]

Quote: tralflot1832

Yes, the Turks were engaged in import substitution before us.

Read the history of the creation of the same Bayraktar, they were made with an ax until the Americans appeared. Now they are trying to replace something, otherwise they are simply assembled from ready-made parts purchased around the world

[Barberry25]

this is not import substitution, this is an attempt to get at least something, in fact they buy components in different countries and assemble them at home

[flicker]

the Turks took up import substitution before us

Yes, they seem to be useless.

[for]

We are in NATU S400, the Turks are in the CSTO drones.

[opposite28]

The signing of a contract for the supply of Turkish drones to Kazakhstan was reported at the end of November last year. As part of the signed contract, until 2023, the Kazakh Air Force will receive 3 attack drones, 2 ground control stations, as well as logistical support, which will include training for UAV operators, spare parts and documentation.

An excellent help in the fight against terrorism in Kazakhstan, given the recent events in the above country. Turkish UAVs to help

[Spring fluff]

there were very specific terrorists :) UAVs do not help against them.
other events are:
05.01.22
The President of Kazakhstan, Kassym-Jomart Tokayev, in an address to the nation, which was shown by the country's central television channels, said that he would head the Security Council of the republic. Previously, this position was held by former President Nursultan Nazarbayev.
https://www.rbc.ru/politics/05/01/2022/61d596709a7947392ca4369e
08.01.22
head of the KNB of Kazakhstan Masimov detained on suspicion of treason
19.01.2022
Minister of Foreign Affairs "I don't think that Nazarbayev and his relatives were involved in the riots, but the investigation will show"
21.01.2022
Tokayev instructed to sort out the procurement of the fund created by Nazarbayev
https://www.rbc.ru/politics/21/01/2022/61ea67e39a7947666a57d1b6?from=from_main_9
27.01.2022
Nazarbayev, following the post of head of the Security Council, is also deprived of other powers that he had in the status of Elbasy - the first president. Among them is the need to harmonize the country's policy with him.
https://www.rbc.ru/politics/27/01/2022/61f21af09a79474d5e634c6f

26.01.2022
Vice Minister of Ecology, Geology and Natural Resources of Kazakhstan Akhmetzhan Primkulov and the head of the ROP Operator company involved in the organization of the recycling collection Medet Kumargaliyev were detained on suspicion of committing corruption crimes
https://www.rbc.ru/politics/26/01/2022/61f0e34b9a7947da734df2e8

25.01.2022
President of Kazakhstan Kassym-Jomart Tokayev signed a decree on the dismissal of Berik Imashev from the post of chairman of the Central Election Commission of the republic. A message about this was published on the website of the head of state.
Imashev is the matchmaker of the daughter of former President of Kazakhstan Nursultan Nazarbayev Dariga, Orda.kz and Sputnik Kazakhstan write. In addition, according to the latter, Nazarbayev's eldest grandson Nurali Aliyev is married to Imashev's daughter.
https://www.rbc.ru/rbcfreenews/61ef945d9a794762ff73d63e

[seacap]

I have long said that the Kyrgyz Republic is another "fraternal people" for us, soon our boyars will again smear snot on their cheeks and talk about "age-old friendship and bonds", not noticing the ardent Russophobia there, which is worse than on the independent outskirts.

[Flooding]

Quote: seacap

I have long said that the Kyrgyz Republic is another "fraternal people" for us

give sovereignty to the Urals or the Far East, and their lured elite will also flirt with anyone from whom you can get a profit.
Give the Yakuts or Tatars independence for a quarter of a century (without any offense or hints), and you will see the fruits of Russophobia in the same way.
This infection germinates wherever it is not weeded.
So stop telling stories about fraternal peoples in quotation marks.
The Russians themselves made these peoples fraternal.
And with their own hands they scattered the legacy of their ancestors.

[suhorukofal]

This mantra is heard from all semi-wild national minorities, to which civilization came along with the Russians, although for some reason they go to work and study in the Russian Federation. Here they are heroic, respected by the whole world, they raised their own countries, where Russians are before them

[75 Sergey]

And why are the Kazakhs preparing to strike?

[ALARI]

20 thousand terrorists still not found

[flicker]

And why are the Kazakhs preparing to strike?

By the Turks.
They made a rebellion.
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So the Kazakhs will crush the Turkish terrorists. There is an option that Turkish terrorists will take control and start killing the Kazakhs

[rotmistr60]

oppozite28 (Semyon)
An excellent help in the fight against terrorism in Kazakhstan, given the recent events..

And given that Turkey was also interested in these events, it turns out that they just sweetened the pill a little with their UAVs for Kazakh money.

[Karos]

What the hell are you talking about....

[flicker]

Kazakhstan will soon receive Turkish Anka drones, Turkey is preparing to supply a batch of shock drones to the republic. This was reported by the press service of Türk Havacılık ve Uzay Sanayii (TUSAS).

It seems that the Kazakhs began to drive Turkish terrorists across the territory of Kazakhstan.
In short, the Kazakhs with the help of Turkish drones will kill Turkish terrorists.

[vovochkarzhevsky]

The most curious is this:

Unit cost: $80 million for export kit, consisting of 3 Anka-S drones, 3 mobile control stations and auxiliary equipment

I really don’t understand what is here, at least elementary logic? Roll off 80 lyams of greenery and get for this three rags with performance characteristics comparable only to the Po-2 of the Second World War.
The total combat load is 1050 kg.
The same Mi-28, which pulls 2300 kg of combat load about 18 lyams of greenery. That is, for 80 lyams you can buy four helicopters and still have some left.
And do not need this favorite "argument" of couch strategists that the pilot is at risk, and the operator is sitting in safety.
Firstly, a helicopter, or a plane, is not so easy to shoot down. And the UAV, in fact, is the goal.
Secondly, who said that the operators in the fixed control rooms are safe? However, these operators will be of no use after the loss of drones. And at such prices, it will also not work to have manned aircraft.

[Flooding]

For patrolling vast territories, low-speed UAVs are indispensable.
No pilot can withstand such long flights.
No helicopter can stay in the air for so long without refueling.
Yes, and the maintenance and depreciation of UAVs and helicopters differ by a factor of their cost.
This does not mean that I consider the cost of the UAV adequate.
Indeed, expensive.

[vovochkarzhevsky]

For patrolling vast territories, low-speed UAVs are just shitty.
I have NOTHING against cheap reconnaissance UAVs, I was talking about expensive drums.
About the cost of operating equipment is always a multiple of its price.

[Flooding]

Quote: vovochkarzhevsky

I have nothing against cheap reconnaissance UAVs, I was talking about expensive strike

Anka - reconnaissance and strike version of the UAV
Do you have an attitude, respectively, half-hearted?

Quote: vovochkarzhevsky

For patrolling vast territories, low-speed UAVs are just shitty.

what do you mean by low speed
for me, an aircraft with a cruising speed of ~ 200 km / h is low-speed
maybe I'm wrong?

[vovochkarzhevsky]

Quote: Flood

Anka - reconnaissance and strike version of the UAV
Do you have an attitude, respectively, half-hearted?

Do you know that any strike aircraft is suitable for reconnaissance?

Quote: Flood

what do you mean by low speed
for me, an aircraft with a cruising speed of ~ 200 km / h is low-speed
maybe I'm wrong?

According to navigation, low-speed up to 350 km / h.

[Flooding]

Quote: vovochkarzhevsky

According to navigation, low-speed up to 350 km / h.

do you think that this is not enough to patrol large areas?

Quote: vovochkarzhevsky

are you aware that any strike aircraft is suitable for reconnaissance?

like any fighter can be used for reconnaissance
but from this the fighter does not become a scout, because. initially its performance characteristics were tailored for other tasks

[vovochkarzhevsky]

Quote: Flood

do you think that this is not enough to patrol large areas?

What do you think is the largest area? How often do you need to update information about it?

Quote: Flood

like any fighter can be used for reconnaissance
but from this the fighter does not become a scout, because. initially its performance characteristics were tailored for other tasks

Wrong, it becomes. Moreover, instead of weapons, or parts of it, special containers are suspended.

[Flooding]

Quote: vovochkarzhevsky

What do you think is the largest area? How often do you need to update information about it?

Stop!
we both wrote about large territories, so both of us have an understanding
especially since they were talking about the same country.

Quote: vovochkarzhevsky

Wrong, it becomes. Moreover, instead of weapons, or parts of it, special containers are suspended.

if reconnaissance equipment is suspended on the Su-34, does it cease to be a front-line bomber?
let's stop there

[ALARI]

The main thing here is that the drone can hover over the territory for hours and at the same time search for a target. The response time is reduced significantly, and the cost of maintaining a drone and a helicopter is not comparable

[vovochkarzhevsky]

And who will allow him to hang for hours and look for a target? With such miserable performance characteristics, air defense will take them out in minutes. Yes, and the reaction time of helicopters will be less, not to mention attack aircraft. Painfully, the speed of these "long-hanging" miserable.
And do not forget that the "maintenance cost" will include the cost of lost UAVs.

[ALARI]

And helicopters can't be shot down? They are even easier to hit because of their size. And don't forget to include the cost of training the pilot and the cost of the machine in the cost of servicing the helicopters, which are several times more than those of drones. If there is normal air defense, both the drone and the helicopter will definitely be shot down, but the material and human losses will be different.

[vovochkarzhevsky]

Quote: ALARI

And helicopters are not shot down?

Of course not, the question is how difficult it is to shoot them down.

They are even easier to get into because of the dimensions.

Don't talk nonsense. Hitting a target like a helicopter that maneuvers vigorously at extremely low altitude is an order of magnitude more difficult than a UAV. Which is slow-moving, and energetic maneuvering in WWI is contraindicated for him.

And in the cost of servicing helicopters, do not forget to include the cost of pilot training and the cost of the machine, which are many times more than that of drones

And where did you get the idea that it is easier to prepare UAV operators, given the specifics of remote piloting?

If there is normal air defense and a drone and a helicopter will definitely be shot down, but material and human losses will be different

Wrong. It is easier to shoot down strike UAVs due to flight characteristics and piloting features. In addition, if you invest in expensive toys, then there will not be enough money for air defense.

[ALARI]

Then, in your opinion, drones are a dead end or even a regression Why then so many countries were so zealously engaged in development and construction For example, we built a whole plant and continue to develop It means that people are like people and suddenly they began to make controlled toys, it’s not clear one of us is wrong

[vovochkarzhevsky]

Because UAVs have long been a business that, with proper marketing, brings good income.

[ALARI]

It's good for the manufacturer to earn money even if he sells garbage, but those who buy it are completely crazy. In addition, the native defense forces of countries producing drones buy it, one might say, to the detriment of devices controlled by people. The world has gone crazy.

[vovochkarzhevsky]

So tell us, what percentage in relation to the strike aviation of the Russian Federation falls on strike UAVs?

[ALARI]

100 to 0 I spoke not only about Russia but also about Israel USA Turkey and those countries who buy UAVs from them Do you think that our Defense Ministry bought rubbish from Israel for a million greens where the prosecutor's office

[vovochkarzhevsky]

You did not answer the question.

[ALARI]

I answered 0, we don’t have strike UAVs, but no, because they are only being built and being developed. This is the reason we don’t have them

[Maxim G]

For example.
France, with their successful Rafal, military helicopters, and drones, is generally not a lot - although it would seem that there are military operations in the former colonies, Syria.

[ALARI]

And as for the missiles and the agility of the helicopter, no matter how spinning, the rocket will still have a head start in terms of overload, it is iron

[vovochkarzhevsky]

Yes, what are you saying? Well then, tell me, a helicopter pilot, at what height does the MANPADS seeker capture a target?

[ALARI]

And that cannon anti-aircraft systems have already been canceled as obsolete arrows up to 3 km work, but I don’t remember how much, but I can assume that from 100 meters from the ground

[stone]

In appearance - a copy of the Israeli Hermes-900. And why should they (Azerbaijan), if they already have Hermes-900, probably with strike capabilities. Or Israel refused to supply with a drummer function? So loitering deliver without problems.

[Olgerd Gediminovich]

Well done!
Operative work.
The people of Kronstadt (not the residents of Kronstadt, but the management of the Kronstadt company) have someone to learn from. In terms of marketing, advertising, sales, etc.

[flicker]

Does anyone have experience to share.

What experience? Collect components around the world?

[Olgerd Gediminovich]

Nicholas,
why not. Baykar Makina (the company is still private) does not have the task of 100% import substitution.
And just the production of inexpensive, technologically advanced, without any special bells and whistles of devices.

[flicker]

why not. Baykar Makina (the company is still private) does not have the task of 100% import substitution.

Unfortunately, we still have the task of import substitution.

[Timur_3]

What you can't take away from Kazakhstan is friendship and numerous various treaties with NATO members. Treaties with the US number in the dozens.
Kazakhstan is a very friendly country for Russia. Officers of Kazakhstan are trained in NATO structures.
And with such "druzhban" we have practically no border.

[Sergey Tankist]

Everything is clear about Anka! And when will they start delivering Petka and Vasily Ivanovich?