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Way of the Cross "Crosses"

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Way of the Cross "Crosses"

The nightmare of the Soviet admirals was not the AUG, it’s just possible to fight them, having the largest submarine fleet in the world and a naval missile-carrying Aviation - a SSBN.


From the moment the “forty-one on guard of freedom” began to enter service, the scenario of a covert strike at point-blank range on Soviet territory became a reality. And by the end of the 60s, in addition, there was a problem of escorting our aircraft-carrying ships, first the Moscow and Leningrad, then the aircraft-carrying cruisers.

First there was a cruiser


On December 30, 1961, the Central Committee of the CPSU and the Council of Ministers of the USSR adopted Resolution No. 1180-510, which became the basis for the development of the 1134 missile cruiser project.

Nikita Sergeevich was very fond of missiles and did not like surface ships, so the sailors realized: if you put missiles on large units fleet, then Khrushchev will allow the construction.

First, there was an overgrown destroyer of Project 58, more precisely, as many as four destroyers, crossed into cruisers, and only then 1134 Berkut. Or rather, at first there was an idea to build everything in the hull of project 58, but, as practice has shown, the chain mail is too small, and the displacement has grown to 5 tons.

However, there were also enough other compromises - the speed was dropped to 33 knots (as practice has shown, this is even a lot), instead of the M-11 "Storm" they put the "Wave", due to the unavailability of the new air defense system, the P-35 missiles were left eight instead of 16 on their predecessors (of which 4 are in the cellar, four are on launchers).

But reality messed up here too - reloading at sea turned out to be a difficult and unrealistic thing, as a result, only four P-35s remained.

But in general, the ship came out pretty - with good strike capabilities at that time (the lead Admiral Zozulya entered service in 1967, when the air defense system did not yet guarantee the interception of even four P-35s), the normal Titan GAS, the Success target designation system -U "and good air defense.

There was also a modernization potential - at some expense, the P-35 could be replaced with more modern missiles, and the M-1 air defense system with the M-11. The helicopter was originally on the cruiser.

The service of the cruisers was generally successful:

1. "Admiral Zozulya".

Since 1967, as part of the Northern Fleet, he spent a lot of time in the Mediterranean, assisted the Egyptians, in 1977 he turned from the BOD into a cruiser, like the other three of his twin brothers, and in 1986 he was transferred to the Baltic Fleet in the hope of repair.

There was a repair, in Kronstadt the cruiser was put in order, but after the repair was completed, it was immediately written off.

It is difficult to grasp the logic in this - such ships can serve for 35 years, at least eight years a repaired cruiser (destroyer in fact) could still be in service. But there were many new projects 956 and 1155, and Soviet stocks seemed bottomless ...

2. Vladivostok.

Entered service in 1969, since 1970 - as part of the Pacific Fleet.

All история ship trips - Nigeria, Somalia, Mauritius, Yemen, Vietnam ...

And after 20 years, it's time for a major overhaul. But a new way of thinking was already raging in the country, and on April 19, 1990, the cruiser was simply written off, at the age of 21, with the opportunity to continue serving for many more years. Because already in April 1990 everything was, in principle, clear, and Russia no longer had enemies. Dismantled the cruiser in Australia, someone earned some currency.

3. "Vice-Admiral Drozd".

In service since December 1968, first the Baltic, and since 1975 - as part of the Northern Fleet.

His fate, in general, is standard - service for wear and tear, without observing repair cycles, and when the need became extreme, the USSR lived out its last year.

As a result, the cruiser was simply decommissioned on July 1, 1990 and sold to India for metal. Like his twin brothers, two things played out - improper exploitation and the collapse of the country that gave birth to him.

4. Sevastopol.

The service for this project is typical: the entry into service - the Northern Fleet. Next - the Mediterranean, trips to the Atlantic, tracking NATO nuclear submarines, a visit to Cuba. Since 1981, it was transferred to the Pacific Ocean, where until 1989 it was used for wear and tear, including taking part in collecting the wreckage of the downed South Korean Boeing.

As a result, by 1989, the ship required repair and modernization, instead of which it was decommissioned on December 15, 1989 and sold to India.

In general, these four served their service - becoming the first modern large surface ships of the fleet, they served very actively and eventually wore out in order.

Taking into account the fact that new ships were commissioned en masse, and the Cold War ended, their decommissioning was a stupid decision, but reasonable in its own way - there was no point in spending money on old people in the current circumstances. What can not be said about the next generation.

BOD


In 1966, at the Zhdanov plant in Leningrad, construction began on the second series of Berkuts with the addition of the letter “A” to the cipher.

The difference between them and their predecessors was the replacement of the P-35 with the Metel missile and torpedo system, the installation of the M-11 Storm air defense system, that is, in principle, what was planned for 1134, but for one reason or another did not have time.

By that time, the plant had already gained considerable experience, and the head BOD Kronstadt was put into operation at the end of 1969, almost simultaneously with the previous type.

A total of 10 ships were built, the last "Admiral Yumashev" was commissioned in 1977.

The series was not epoch-making, of course, but successful - good destroyers for the AUG, capable of operating independently, they performed a wide range of tasks - from the implementation of the “gunboat policy” to their direct duties to ensure anti-aircraft defense and air defense squadrons.

Four ships even had time to modernize, replacing the Metel with the Rastrub-B, increasing their efficiency.

The more ridiculous is what happened next - they were all decommissioned in 1991-1993, the youngest of them at the time of decommissioning was 15 years old.

Again, you can understand the reasons - the ships that they were supposed to escort were actively decommissioned, the United States turned into a friend and partner, and 1134A needed repairs.

Such is the unpretentious cannibalistic logic, as a result of which we first get rid of the old, then we kill the new in the trash, write it off, and then we suddenly realize that we don’t have destroyers, and there’s no one to send into the ocean either. More precisely, there is just someone to send with a PR campaign, but the constant presence ...

Meanwhile, the ships were reliable, worked out by industry and quite maintainable. As proved by their younger brothers - series 1134B.

Almost like centenarians


When we stood on the aircraft-carrying ships in Sevastopol on Ugolnaya, our gaze involuntarily lingered on the powerful and architecturally perfect ships of the Nikolaev and Slava types standing opposite, on the North side ...
Containers of launchers for anti-submarine and anti-ship missiles, raised obliquely, emphasized the swift silhouette of these ships, and it seemed that, even when they were at the quay wall, they were ready to immediately engage in battle...

In 1965, the design of the Black Sea Berkutov series with gas turbine units began.

They received a new GAS "Titan-2", towed by the GAS "Vega", capable of searching for submarines under a layer of temperature jump. The share of weapons and protection equipment in the standard displacement has grown to 19,4 percent.

In a word, we got a new ship, and the final ship of the Tallinn series, even during construction, was armed with the Rastrub-B, which, unlike the Blizzard, was capable of firing at surface ships.

A very successful series of seven units (the lead "Nikolaev" entered service in 1971, the final "Tallinn" - in 1979) with an unusual fate.

No, it all started, like the project 1134A, in the sense - intensive combat service, wear and tear instead of repair, because there is no money, and there are no enemies either. But even the madness of politicians has its limits, and some 90B survived Tsushima in the early 1134s.

The first of these was the Azov, which back in 1977 was re-equipped with the S-300 Fort to test the complex.

As a result, the less worn-out BOD served in the fleet right up to 1998, having still managed to take part in the Georgian-Abkhaz conflict and be a bone of contention between Russia and Ukraine.

But, having survived the first wave of the collapse of the fleet, the ship did not survive the second - it was decommissioned in 1998, when the remnants of the fleet were already cut.

The second lucky ship was the Kerch.

The BOD was lucky - in 1984 its crew ditched the ship's power plant, after which Kerch began a three-year repair with modernization. They didn’t cut a completely combat-ready ship with their wild shortage on the Black Sea, without risking being left without a fleet at all, and Kerch continued active service.

And in 2005, they found money for repairs, and the ship served for a long time.

In 2014, it was put under repair, because there are no others of this class on the Black Sea and are not expected, there were even plans to make it the flagship of the fleet instead of the Moskva RKR during its repair. But on November 4, 2014, there was a serious fire at the BOD and the repair was canceled.

In 2017, there were plans to create a museum, but in the end, in 2020, the last Berkut was handed over for disassembly for metal.

BOD "Ochakov" became the martyr of the series.

Commissioned in 1973, it was put in for repairs in 1990. But the repair did not really begin - the USSR collapsed.

And in 1993, a fire broke out at the BOD. It would seem that he had a place in the cutting, but the fleet was divided, and he lived until 1997. And then just stood in anticipation of repair, the one that never started.

They wrote it off in 2011, but still they didn’t take it apart, but put it on the sludge.

However, in the end it was necessary to fight the BOD, or rather, to serve the country in the end:

... on the night of March 6, 2014, the Russian side sank the old large anti-submarine ship "Ochakov" of project 1134B, decommissioned from the Black Sea Fleet, on the fairway at the entrance to Lake Donuzlav in Crimea, blocking the exit to the sea for the ships of the Southern Naval Base of the Naval Forces of Ukraine .

They raised the ship six months later and handed it over for disassembly to the metal, in fact, it’s tempting to say perhaps - “he’s exhausted himself”.

If you don’t get smart, anti-submarine destroyers are needed by states with geopolitical ambitions and powerful fleets, for states with ambitions at the level of the Russian Federation of the 90s, and the USSR of 1989-1991, such ships are useless.

Technically, they could serve for a long time, and the money for repairs and modernization, if desired, would have been found even in that era, but politically, the country was getting rid of superpower, the admirals tried to save newer ships, sacrificing what had already served.

And 21 Gorkovsky destroyers, which were nicknamed "Crosses" in the West, fell into these millstones.

The Black Sea "Crosses" were relatively lucky, they were saved by the division of the fleet and the enslaving Russian-Ukrainian agreement, which made it difficult to replace ships.

The rest were sacrificed easily and simply, trying to save the latest ships and vessels.

Were they helpful?

Of course, "Kerch", which quietly went to military service in 2014, is an example of this.

Did Russia need them in the 90s?

No.

The entire Navy of the USSR could exist only within the framework of a superpower, it died - its fleet also died.

But the ships, of course, are beautiful and functional, worth billions, but sold for a penny, gone to no one knows where, however, like the whole country that died in 1991.
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  1. Undecim
    Undecim 3 February 2022 18: 18
    +15
    Way of the Cross "Crosses"

    Apparently, the author in a hurry forgot to write that according to the NATO classification, the Berkut-A and Berkut-B BODs were called Kresta I class and Kresta II class, respectively.
  2. 210ox
    210ox 3 February 2022 18: 19
    +16
    What we have we do not store, having lost, we cry. Beautiful ships. Were.
    1. Catfish
      Catfish 3 February 2022 20: 54
      +12
      Beautiful ships

      Yes, they were very good.

      1. 210ox
        210ox 3 February 2022 21: 07
        +1
        "Singing" - is it about them?
        1. Catfish
          Catfish 3 February 2022 21: 13
          +13
          No, colleague, these are Project 61 large anti-submarine ships, NATO code - Kashin - a series of Soviet large anti-submarine ships (BOD) of the 2nd rank, which has been in service with the USSR Navy since 1962.
          1. 210ox
            210ox 3 February 2022 21: 15
            +3
            Thanks for the clarification. I didn't serve in the Navy hi
            1. Catfish
              Catfish 3 February 2022 21: 19
              +3
              Me too, but I have always loved ships and the sea. smile
        2. IC
          IC 4 February 2022 04: 10
          +3
          No. This is according to Ave. 61.
      2. Silhouette
        Silhouette 4 February 2022 10: 54
        +7
        I served on both 1134 and 1134 B. An unsuccessful series, no matter what the author claims. The missile cruiser 1134 was 2 times inferior in terms of the power of strike weapons to its predecessor 58 project. He could also do the reloading himself. Like a cruiser - a weakling. As a BOD - about nothing.
        Project 1134 B was only good for the living conditions for the crew. The toothless handsome man did not have a striking weapon and was always in the position of a victim in military service. There were no chances of surviving himself, and drowning someone was very problematic. And so - yes, a beautiful boat. Like the first "Varangian".
    2. vlad106
      vlad106 3 February 2022 22: 46
      +4
      Quote: 210ox
      What we have we do not store, having lost, we cry. Beautiful ships. Were.

      M-yes!
      Not only the fishing fleet was pilfered, but the Navy is also being reduced
      1. Uncle lee
        Uncle lee 4 February 2022 01: 46
        +7
        Quote: vlad106
        Not only the fishing fleet was plundered,

        Nevelskaya BTF, Kholmskaya KhBTF, Korsakovskaya BOR, Rybakkolkhozsoyuz, Sakhmorshipping is only on Sakhalin .... Sovgavanskaya BOR, the world's largest Vostokrybholodflot and a bunch of shipping companies around the country .... am
  3. Ryaruav
    Ryaruav 3 February 2022 18: 20
    +12
    if these BPCs with modern equipment and weapons, then Russian frigates are resting, really ocean-class ships
    1. Doccor18
      Doccor18 3 February 2022 18: 45
      +7
      really ocean-class ships

      On the basis of the 1134BF project, it would be possible to design a new destroyer, not like the 956th. 64 Fort zur, 8 Rastrubov, up to 4 missiles, up to 16 Uran missiles, a multi-purpose helicopter in the hangar and one 130-152 mm. AU ... In the future, it was possible to replace Fort's pu with UKKS for 64 cells. 9 ct. the ship would become the basis of the surface forces of the domestic fleet. Instead, two projects 956 and 1155 were born at once, each of which significantly fell short of the title of multi-purpose ...
      1. Ryaruav
        Ryaruav 3 February 2022 18: 49
        +6
        Alexander, unfortunately the Russian Navy still only dreams of this
      2. Serg65
        Serg65 4 February 2022 07: 51
        +1
        Quote: Doccor18
        On the basis of the 1134BF project, it would be possible to design a new destroyer, not like the 956th

        Oh, Mr. Admiral .... but can you tell me the concept of the combat use of the USSR Navy in the late 70s and 80s of the last century, and specifically the Saryches ??? Yes, and enlighten me, how did it happen that the Kotlins served right up to 1990?
      3. Alexey RA
        Alexey RA 4 February 2022 11: 57
        +3
        Quote: Doccor18
        On the basis of the 1134BF project, it would be possible to design a new destroyer, not like the 956th.

        Taking into account real history, when designing a new ship based on Project 1134B, it will turn out not to be a destroyer, but a missile cruiser - Project 1164. smile
        1. Doccor18
          Doccor18 4 February 2022 12: 44
          +2
          good afternoon hi
          Quote: Alexey RA
          it will turn out not a destroyer, but a missile cruiser - pr. 1164.

          Sizes 1134B (173 / 18,5 / 8) and 1164 (186,5 / 20,5 / 8,5) are still seriously different. At 1134BF there was already a Fort air defense system, an excellent GTU, a helicopter hangar, and a PU Rastrub. There was only no artillery of an acceptable caliber, which could be installed instead of the second Storm air defense system, but instead of the Wasp and a pair of 76-mm ones. - 2 or 4 ZRAK. And later 4 × 4 anti-ship missiles X-35 (they were already being developed). It seems that Polinomos also entered. The output would be a decent ship of the first rank (no more than 10 kt.) With serious air defense / anti-aircraft defense, artillery and not as expensive as 1164. Instead of 29 built destroyers and BODs (956/1155), it was quite possible to master, before the collapse of the Union, 18-22 multi-purpose destroyers that could become a reliable escort for aircraft carriers and would have a huge modernization potential.
      4. Omskgasmyas
        Omskgasmyas 5 February 2022 06: 57
        0
        Isn't it too much you want from a ship with a displacement of 5300 tons? Cut the sturgeon. Soviet designers cut back at the time. They understood that it was impossible to grasp the immensity and divided the functional capabilities into 2 ships: the cruiser itself and the BOD. It was assumed that at sea they would act in pairs.
        1. Doccor18
          Doccor18 5 February 2022 08: 45
          +1
          Quote: Omskgazmyas
          from a ship with a displacement of 5300 tons

          The standard displacement is 7000, the normal displacement is 8000, the total displacement is 9000, which is comparable to destroyers of the Arleigh Burke II series...
          There is nothing supernatural in what he proposed, in fact, everything was already on it, except for normal artillery ...
          Quote: Omskgazmyas
          It was assumed that at sea they would act in pairs.

          It was supposed, but already at the beginning of military service, it became clear to everyone that it was very difficult, and sometimes unrealistic, but the series had already begun ...
          1. Omskgasmyas
            Omskgasmyas 5 February 2022 09: 00
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            You probably looked at later modifications. The initial design of the cruiser was of this displacement: link D0%B9_%D1%BF%D80%0%D5%BE%D0%B9%D1%BA%D81%0%D5%B1_80) 0 tons (standard), 0 tons (full).
            1. Doccor18
              Doccor18 5 February 2022 09: 22
              0
              I think we are talking about different things. I'm talking about 1134BF, and about a possible multi-purpose destroyer based on this project, instead of two 956/1155 ...
  4. Pavel57
    Pavel57 3 February 2022 18: 25
    +1
    Beautiful ships with good potential.
  5. Nikolay Ivanov_5
    Nikolay Ivanov_5 3 February 2022 18: 26
    +3
    The sad fate of the ships.
  6. TermNachTer
    TermNachTer 3 February 2022 18: 58
    +8
    I agree with the author on many points, but I have a purely personal opinion. Etc. 1134 was a universal ship - medium PLO, medium air defense - just a little bit. They were replaced by ships "sharpened" for a specific job, pr. 956 and pr. 1155. In principle, pr. 1134 had the potential for modernization, but a very deep, correspondingly expensive modernization would be required, which then Russia simply "would not pull" . And so, the ships would be good for their time.
    1. Rurikovich
      Rurikovich 4 February 2022 06: 47
      0
      Quote: TermNachTER
      Etc. 1134 was a universal ship - medium PLO, medium air defense - just a little bit. They were replaced by ships "sharpened" for a specific job, pr. 956 and pr. 1155.

      In something I agree. Average generalists, who can do a little of everything, are not always able to perform the work qualitatively in the niche that is needed at the moment. This is an age-old problem that everyone faces. Therefore, if you have the means and capabilities (and rich countries like the USSR are capable of this), you can have specialized ships in the Navy that are more sharpened either for strike capabilities or for defensive ones.
      Of course, there will always be a desire to want to have a lot of relatively cheap and capable ships, but what is the use of such ships if they can do everything, but cannot do it all right? what request
      Quote: TermNachTER
      And so, the ships would be good for their time.

      yes
    2. Serg65
      Serg65 4 February 2022 13: 06
      +2
      Quote: TermNachTER
      Etc. 1134 was a universal ship - medium PLO, medium air defense - just a little bit.

      Pure Berkuts were not universal ships, this is an attempt to develop the 58th project! The trouble is that in those days the development of military equipment went by leaps and bounds and sometimes a new ship that had just entered service turned out to be already outdated .... the same fate befell both 61 projects and 1123 projects! Of the Berkuts, the Boukari were the best, and of course, Azov was the best of the Boukari!
      1. TermNachTer
        TermNachTer 4 February 2022 18: 27
        0
        And pr. 58 was a purely strike ship. With a displacement of 5000, it had 8 launchers and 16 anti-ship missiles, which can be said "even above the roof." Etc. 1134 is just an attempt to create a universal ship that can do everything, but little by little. If now there were living hulls, then with a deep alteration it would be possible to shove 6 - 7 UVP, i.e. 48 - 56 SAM or anti-ship missiles or CRBD. It would make a pretty decent boat.
  7. Jacket in stock
    Jacket in stock 3 February 2022 19: 02
    +8
    Losing your head in the hair do not cry.

    The country was squandered, why are there some pieces of iron.
  8. UVB
    UVB 3 February 2022 19: 05
    +21
    Vice-Admiral Drozd, together with TAVKR Kiev and BOD Squeezed, during refueling from a tanker on the move.
  9. Alien From
    Alien From 3 February 2022 19: 45
    +12
    The author, as it will be more fun with pictures! Article plus! hi
  10. Non-fighter
    Non-fighter 3 February 2022 19: 55
    +13
    In the winter of 1991/92, Drozd had a small fire. I visited it as part of the ASG. A terrible impression - the ship is dead, 50 people are left of the crew, and they crawl along the holds and look so that the ship does not drown at their native pier. The galley does not work, with tanks they go to the neighbors to eat.
  11. Pavel57
    Pavel57 3 February 2022 21: 03
    +2
    Quote: TermNachTER
    They were replaced by ships "sharpened" for a specific job, pr. 956 and pr. 1155 ....
    The far-fetched specialization of 956 and 1155 did not justify itself in any way.
    1. Serg65
      Serg65 4 February 2022 07: 53
      +1
      Quote: Pavel57
      The far-fetched specialization of 956 and 1155 did not justify itself in any way.

      From what?
  12. Pavel57
    Pavel57 3 February 2022 21: 05
    -13
    Author: ... on the night of March 6, 2014, the Russian side sank the old large anti-submarine ship "Ochakov" of project 1134B, decommissioned from the Black Sea Fleet, on the fairway at the entrance to Lake Donuzlav in Crimea, blocking the exit to the sea for the ships of the Southern Naval Military Base -naval forces of Ukraine.


    Only not Ukraine, but the USA.
    1. TermNachTer
      TermNachTer 4 February 2022 18: 30
      0
      At the entrance to Donuzlav, it was possible to flood any old trough, of a suitable length - 140 meters, even "Volgo - Don". And leave "Ochakov" - at least for the museum.
  13. Pavel57
    Pavel57 3 February 2022 21: 36
    -8
    Quote: Pavel57

    Only not Ukraine, but the USA.

    And not an exit, but an entry.
  14. Bez 310
    Bez 310 3 February 2022 22: 42
    +6
    There are no SSBNs in the US Navy, they have SSBNs.
  15. Comrade Kim
    Comrade Kim 4 February 2022 01: 12
    +11
    The author made the correct conclusions.
    The current economy of the Russian Federation is a pathetic semblance not even of the economy of the USSR, but the shadow of the economy of the RSFSR.
    Now the struggle of the fleets for the Russian Federation has moved to another class. Our bloodsucking oligarchs are measured by pipisons (yachts) among themselves.
    1. IC
      IC 4 February 2022 04: 15
      +2
      And here they have been successful. Superyachts are cooler than their American counterparts.
  16. Pavel57
    Pavel57 4 February 2022 08: 32
    -1
    Quote: Pavel57
    Quote: TermNachTER
    They were replaced by ships "sharpened" for a specific job, pr. 956 and pr. 1155 ....
    The far-fetched specialization of 956 and 1155 did not justify itself in any way.

    Even in the Soviet aremen 956 and 1155 they rarely went in pairs. Although they should complement each other. 956 was made to maintain competence in boiler building, as a result, neither 956 nor competence remained.
    1. Serg65
      Serg65 4 February 2022 09: 24
      +2
      Quote: Pavel57
      956 made to maintain competence in boiler building

      what Interesting statement! Those. in order to save the boiler shop of the Kirov Plant, they muddied a series of 17 pennants worth 90 million each?
    2. Alexey RA
      Alexey RA 4 February 2022 12: 04
      +2
      Quote: Pavel57
      956 was made to maintain competence in boiler building, as a result, neither 956 nor competence remained.

      Later, S.G. Gorshkov explained his decision by the fact that: 1) he does not want, as a customer, to lose steam turbine production at the Kirov Plant - if he loses, then he will not return; 2) he does not want to depend in the supply of power plants only on NPO Zarya, a monopolist in the production of ship gas turbine engines; 3) from time to time there were interruptions in the supply of diesel fuel to the fleet, while KTU could be heated, in the figurative expression of the Commander-in-Chief himself, “at least with firewood”. All this was far-sighted and perhaps wise, especially when it turned out that with the collapse of the USSR, all gas turbine power for surface ships had to be left in Ukraine, but the decision was a strong-willed one.
      © V.P. Kuzin. RRC type "Atlant" (project 1164). History of creation.

      "Dawn" in those days was already loaded with orders for gas turbine engines, and it could not pull another 21 sets of power plants.
  17. restless
    restless 4 February 2022 12: 16
    +1
    The most interesting thing is why they don’t look for officials who are guilty of decommissioning combat-ready ships, this is sabotage and negligence, why didn’t anyone answer for this? But because the ends must be sought in the highest echelons of power, and they are inviolable ...
    1. Serg65
      Serg65 4 February 2022 13: 22
      +2
      Quote: restless
      The most interesting thing is why they are not looking for officials who are guilty of decommissioning combat-ready ships

      Why look for them, they have long been known ... Admiral Chernavin, Admiral Sidorov, Admiral Khromov, Admiral Gromov, Admiral Kuroyedov, Colonel Baskov ... Did Kolya Baskov become famous with his voice?
      Quote: restless
      they are inviolable.

      They already answer to the Lord!
  18. Pavel57
    Pavel57 4 February 2022 12: 55
    +2
    In a war, you don’t have to think about a resource, but in peacetime, driving ships in such a way that it’s more expensive to repair yourself, and no one thinks about it, and no one is responsible for this, is a feature of the Soviet / Russian fleet management system, and not only.
  19. evmarine
    evmarine 4 February 2022 13: 28
    0
    Classification is a very thankless task. All 1134s are still anti-submarine ships, especially A and B. It’s not for nothing that 1134 was either transferred to the RRC or back to the BOD. As RRCs are weak, as BODs - also not very good, but better. They built it from what was, and this trouble has remained.
    1134A always suffered from boilers, which is why they quickly excluded the entire series, the same song in 956. They wrote about this problem in the literature, and in the 80s heard it firsthand (Dalzavod). How the PLO 1134A ship corresponded to the time.
    1134B turned out to be more reliable, a gas turbine was installed. But ... they did not strengthen the strike weapons. There was nothing to strengthen in the early 1970s. Anti-ship missiles - either P-15 or P-500, guns - a maximum of 76 mm, 100 mm was only tested. And the gain resulted in 1164, the hulls are very similar, the energy is too.
    The installation on the Azov S-300F reduced the ammunition load for missiles and TA.
    The division into 956 and 1155 and +1164 was, in my opinion, forced.
    Take at least Chebanenko. Yes, Mosquitoes and 1155-mm were installed at 130, and that's it, air defense is self-defense. That is, as there was a guard, it remained. Strengthening air defense - we come to an analogue of 1164.
    956 the same picture. Strengthening the PLO (GAS, PLRK), without changing anything else, would have added another 2-3000 tons at least - again 1164. Replacement with a gas turbine was possible (theoretically), but, as it was already said here, they supported the Kirov Plant (the times were different!).
    So the line came out: PLO 1155, multi-purpose 956 and shock 1164.
  20. avia12005
    avia12005 5 February 2022 22: 40
    0
    The fate of the fleet and aviation is the fate of the country.
  21. Yuriy Malyshko
    Yuriy Malyshko 6 February 2022 00: 43
    +2
    Reading articles in the "Military Review", I would like to at least a little imagine the life path and life experience of the author. To, as before, picking up a book, get acquainted briefly with the biography of the author. Roman Ivanov? Among modern writers and historians, he is not known, or maybe this is the pseudonym of a very famous specialist? From what he published on topwar.ru, one can, on the one hand, be amazed at the versatility of his work, and on the other hand, one gets the impression of the superficiality of publications. As if the articles consist of scattered information from Wikipedia. Although maybe I'm wrong. But for real military sailors, for example, it is not customary to name ships in NATO, so "Crosses" somehow immediately tear away from reading, although I read this article to the end. In a word, I would like to know more about the authors. I think this will contribute to an increase in the quality of publications in general, weed out incompetent authors, and make criticism more trustworthy and substantive.
  22. Atlant1164
    Atlant1164 7 February 2022 09: 47
    +2
    Unlike the enterprises that left "it is not known where", the fleet did not leave. It was deliberately destroyed. Chatter about "no money" is exactly the same lie as the fairy tale that the Union fell apart on its own. And now the owners of the country are not going to restore it. There is not even a concept of development.
    Yes, and the enterprises have gone to know where. What was of interest was bought for free, and what could compete was destroyed.
  23. Nikolai Redko
    Nikolai Redko 8 February 2022 10: 47
    0
    Good article! Only the BOD "Ochakov", in my opinion, has not yet been butchered and stands submerged in Donuzlav. The ships are very beautiful. I remember what a strong impression they made on me as a child in Sevastopol at their 12-14 berths. They stood interspersed with project 61. It looked very strong.
  24. Dimkams
    Dimkams 11 February 2022 15: 40
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    As a resident of Vladivostok, I saw the whole tragedy of 1134 and not only them. It is especially a pity for the BOD Petropavlovsk and the BOD Vladivostok (Tallinn), completely combat-ready ships were mercilessly sold and disposed of. I remember how BOD Petropavlovsk painted 1995 m for the celebration of the 50th anniversary of the Victory, they let me on a tour. Literally a month later, the flag was lowered on the ship .. Although I agree with some commentators - the ships required serious modernization, and
    were ineffective in all directions.
  25. Panzerjäger
    Panzerjäger April 16 2022 11: 51
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    Our fleet has fallen victim to the "compact but exceptionally well-equipped and trained" contract army theory. Like, a corvette or a frigate with a dozen cruise missiles cost a whole squadron. Like, we don’t need to have entire squadrons, two or three ships will solve everything, they have such a trained crew, and the fact that weapons are for one salvo, and then run away, so we won’t tell anyone inside the country about it, but we will promote the ships like super duper mighty.
  26. Eug
    Eug April 26 2022 07: 08
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    I remember the film "Single Swimming"...