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Comments on previous article showed that I was probably not as persuasive as I would have liked.

A number of readers considered the ideas utopian, someone considered them an offensive rip-off. I considered it necessary to work out these points in the article, which is an afterword to the cycle.



To begin with, I would like to remind readers that in the fourth article I did not aim for comprehensiveness - this is a difficult task for one person.

My interest was to outline the concept, within which there will inevitably be more and less developed details that need to be deepened in accordance with the overall direction of the project.

Thus, a number of commentators have moved away from useful criticism and reflections on possibilities towards endless savoring of impossibility and critical demagogy in the style of "this cannot be because it can never be."

The essence of the idea is how to pull the country out of the stagnation in which we are stuck.

Arguing about the impossibility of getting out of this state, you actually admit that you have surrendered as patriotic, creative and intellectual forces. In this case, the price of your cheers-demagogy, gentlemen, is worthless!

1. “... the author cynically takes 2 rubles from workers and 300 rubles from poor pensioners ...”


We have a fairly large spread in the size of pensions across regions, so we will proceed from the size of a pension of 12. This value is approximately equivalent to the minimum wage.

In 2021, at the end of the year, we had an inflation of 8,4%. Official, I will emphasize this separately.

Significant part stories in modern Russia, this value was more than 7% per annum (in article No. 2 it is indicated that the total inflation over 20 years was 550%.

This means that the conditional thousand rubles of the 2000 sample is now conditional 170 rubles.

Now we take the "grandmother's pension" of 12 and subtract the inflation rate from it - a grandmother (or grandfather) loses 000 rubles per year at 7% inflation monthly. That is, in fact, in 12 months, a pensioner loses more than 10 thousand rubles with inflation of 7%.

With inflation of 8%, a pensioner loses 960 rubles a month. That is, three times more than the author proposes to “take away” from him in order to keep the level of this inflation at least at 4 percent.

At 4% inflation, a pensioner loses 480 rubles a month.

We add +480 to 300 (which we take from him) and get 780 rubles of losses (whereas with 7 percent inflation he loses 840 rubles a month).

Hack and predictor Aviator - in the case of pensioners, citizens actually lose nothing. They will lose practically nothing even if we collect 400 rubles from them, and not 300, provided that the state keeps inflation at a rate of 4%. There are currently 42 million pensioners in the Russian Federation. This is an annual collection potential (at 300 rubles) of 151 billion rubles.

But consider how this maneuver can affect the working man.

For example, we take the same deeply abstract salary of 25 rubles.

Monthly inflation losses at 7% inflation - 1 rubles. At 750% inflation, the worker loses 4 rubles a month. Thus, from a salary of 1, taking 000 rubles, the state actually takes 25 rubles from the worker, if inflation is kept. This is actually 000% of such wages.

Does anyone seriously think that this is a “deadly lot”?

But, let's say we consider a salary of 40 rubles.

Monthly, its inflationary losses at 7% are 2 rubles. At 800% - it will be 4 rubles. An employee with a salary of 1 loses only 600 rubles a month from such a maneuver. This is 40% of his salary.

Hack and predictor Aviator - there is no need to talk about any critical losses. Citizens monthly and without it bear significant "parasitic" losses, the state can stabilize these losses and use colossal funds for the benefit and growth of the economy.

2. "... why populate the Far East, what will all these people do..."


We are looking at the resource map of the Far East.

It is clearly seen that in this region there are rich deposits of hard and brown coal, iron, tin, oil and gas, as well as gold. The relatively close location of iron and coal gives us the resources to develop in this region at least the production of rolled metal products - instead of driving it through the whole country. These resources can be used in the shipbuilding and machine-building local industries as a minimum.

In the Far East, significant oil and gas resources are a potential for petrochemistry.

There are also significant forest resources - this is an excellent help for the woodworking, furniture and pulp and paper industries at least.

All this is also located in the area of ​​coal mining - that is, there is the potential for cheap generation to provide all this with electricity, and residents - with heat. In the case of a detailed study of the environmental aspect of such activities (at the moment there are effective treatment solutions for thermal power plants and metal production), we have a fairly good logistical gain.

It is worth noting that the region has a number of tin deposits, as well as rare earth elements. This is the potential for the radio-electronic and semiconductor industry.

The fish resources of the region deserve special mention.

The development of the production of modern canned fish and delicacies in this region is quite a promising niche, since there is a potentially huge consumer market nearby.

For example, we will consider the export of Sweden as a model object.

Sweden is interesting for the reason that it is a coastal area that is approximately comparable in terms of climate and resources, the production of which is almost what the Far East can do, whose population (10 million people) approximately corresponds to how much it is desirable for us to deploy in the Far East over a period (20 years) .

Swedish exports for 2020 were:

15,2% ($24 billion) - nuclear reactors, boilers, equipment and mechanical devices; their parts.

14,2% ($22 billion) - means of land transport, except for railway or tram rolling stock, and their parts and accessories.

8,61% ($13,8 billion) - electrical machinery and equipment, their parts; sound recording and reproducing apparatus, apparatus for recording and reproducing television images and sound, their parts and accessories.

6,36% ($10,2 billion) - mineral fuel, oil and products of their distillation; bituminous substances; mineral waxes.

6,36% ($10,2 billion) - pharmaceutical products.

5,62% ($9,03 billion) - paper and cardboard; products made of paper pulp, paper or cardboard.

4,8% (6,56 billion dollars) - ferrous metals.

3,36% ($5,39 billion) - plastics and products made from them.

2,7% ($4,33 billion) are fish and crustaceans, molluscs and other aquatic invertebrates.

1,88% ($3,02 billion) - wood and wood products.

Sweden's exports indicate very well what kind of export potential, by groups, our Far East could have.

For the neighboring countries of Sweden, I also found the rows of numbers from Finland and Norway to be very curious.

Norway

12,9% ($10,6 billion) are fish and crustaceans, molluscs and other aquatic invertebrates.

Finland

10,4% ($6,84 billion) - paper and cardboard; products made of paper pulp, paper or cardboard.

4,28% ($2,8 billion) - wood and wood products; charcoal.

3,49% ($2,29 billion) - plastics and products made from them.

1,65% ($1,08 billion) - cruise ships, sightseeing ships, ferries, cargo ships, barges.

It is also very interesting to give a number of export items as an example South Korea .

12,9% ($66 billion) - nuclear reactors, boilers, equipment and mechanical devices.

6,15% ($31 billion) - plastics and products made from them.

4,95% ($25 billion) - mineral fuel, oil and products of their distillation.

3,65% ($18,7 billion) - ships, boats and floating structures.

1,54% (7,92 billion dollars) - ferrous metal products.

What can be said about this in total?

That you can raise very good money on fish - in the Far East we have significant fish resources and at least 3 huge markets in the neighborhood.

We can, like the Norwegians and Swedes, invest in high-quality infrastructure for the processing of these products and drive them at completely different prices than they are now.

It can be seen that you can earn very serious money on rolled products, plastic and cardboard - and we have the prerequisites for this in the Far East.

That refined petroleum products are a potentially huge market in Asia, much more interesting than crude oil.

That, finally, in the construction of ships we could at least make good money on the needs of the domestic market.

Sweden, Finland and Norway show us that in these export industries, a population of 10+ million can live quite freely, even in a super-competitive European market.

And we have a huge Chinese market nearby, part of the demand of which we can cover with products of processed resources, at least, simultaneously occupying our own population, landscaping the territory, creating the prerequisites for a large scientific and technical cluster in the Far East at the stage of the plan for 20–40 years.

3. “... look at Europe and China, their population is stagnating, read about some kind of demographic transition there ...”


Articles 1 and 2 are very clear on the growth of the European population over 20-year cycles.

This is a cumulative increase in the EU, but at the moment (and for quite a long time already) the EU can be considered as a superstate, within which there is a free migration of labor and finance - so the separate demography of specific European states not matter.

The EU is growing in "plus" by at least 20 million in 20 years.

The PRC is currently heavily overpopulated, firstly (the first state in terms of population on the planet). Secondly, the PRC has had a policy of "one family - one child" for a very long time, and now they are in a demographic hole, combined with the current overpopulation and a terrible environment.

You and I are up to the demographics of the PRC to cut, even according to those indicated in article number 3 и № 4 pace - about 200 years. So, thank God, we do not need this. Not so long ago there was news, that the net population loss for 2021 in the Russian Federation amounted to more than 1 million people.

No, ladies and gentlemen, the "demographic transition" has absolutely nothing to do with it.

In our case, the growth of demographics is precisely restrained factors mentioned in previous articles that can and should be broken.

4. “... how can the state guarantee an unshakable line? This is a property of exclusively authoritarian systems ... "


We will take the example of Japan (I return regularly and will continue to return to this country, as its experience is quite interesting).

Is Japan an authoritarian country?

However, Japanese inflation has been close to zero for a very long time. This is a period longer than the designated 20-40 years, longer than the life of one generation.

Stability is not included in any confrontation with political turnover.

Let's take Canada as an example - Canada's standard of living has been steadily rising, its social, economic and political line has been unshakable for decades. Can it be called an authoritarian state?

The German experience of the last 30 years shows that it is also quite possible to create a stable social system on a capitalist basis.

Can we say that Germany is authoritarian?

Despite a number of problems associated with migration, the Germans are quite confident about the future - this confidence is based on the growth of their GDP.

What conclusion can be drawn from this ?

The key to the stability of the political line is effective growth first of all, and secondly, it is a political turnover within a system that is not closed to any personalities. Some professionals replace other professionals - contributing to the line of development.

To draw up a quality plan and ensure that professionals stay in power is the key to stability.

5. “...Most loans will be non-repayable. All infrastructure projects are unprofitable...”


Funds issued from the fund will not be issued to anyone, but in accordance with the parameters of the riskiness of the enterprise, credit history, etc. Professionals should always work with money, and big professionals with big money.

Any bank with little or no history develops a fairly effective forecast in terms of repayment and non-repayment of loans.

Immediately, analysts and government agencies will deal with this. Funds will be allocated for the construction of housing (many standard projects in the main) and enterprises inside the country. And to start a business, also within the country.

Access to big money will be only for those who have effectively mastered the smaller ones - this is a very simple principle.

Of course, a number of investments will not pay off - and this will be an occasion for analytics and system improvement. However, any venture fund deals with unprofitable projects and profitable projects, the profit from which often compensates for the loss from failures.

Effective venture funds rely on professionals, in this case we are talking about the growth of professional culture within the entire top of the state.

Regarding the unprofitability of a number of infrastructure projects.

The fund will accumulate about 20 trillion rubles in 80 years. This is almost four times our 2020 budget. A lot of money. And this money will not be claimed for a direct purpose (housing certificates) for 20 years.

And then annually it will be necessary to allocate 7,2 trillion rubles for certificates. During this period, if we ensure a three-fold increase in the budget (up to 60 trillion rubles), while maintaining fees (the same 2+2 trillion rubles annually), we will have to unfasten 3,2 trillion rubles each year from the fund itself for certificates.

So here the question is correctly formulated as follows: is 80 trillion rubles enough to triple the GDP in 20 years?

You have to be an epic mediocrity not to reach these parameters with that kind of money!

But we ask ourselves the question - how much and with what money will we have to build housing to support demographic programs?

Very roughly, we need to resettle about 10 million people in the Far East. Let's say it's 5 million families. This is about 70 houses.

This is 24,5 trillion rubles.

We also have a task to resettle about 3-4 million families under the terms of preferential mortgages. Let's say - 4.

This will require another 19,5 trillion rubles.

The total for housing programs over 20 years is about 44 trillion rubles. For everything else, we still have 36 trillion rubles left - that is, 2 budgets for 2020 for business, enterprises, etc. To triple the budget.

Is it real?

This is already a question of the quality of the plan and administration.

In the future, all these people will pay taxes, work, buy, create jobs through their business activities. It doesn't matter how long the built infrastructure will pay off - if we triple the budget, the project itself will be successful and profitable enough to cover holes and costs.

6. "... large-scale housing construction will inevitably affect the price of housing ..."


In article number 4, I cited link for a model object - a 17-storey building at prices in August 2021.

In calculations based on the prices of this period, its price figured as 308 million rubles. Already taking into account the margin of the construction campaign, similar for that period (by price).

As mentioned above, inflation in 2021 was 8,4%. That is, the price of the house is exaggerated by this value, and with inflation of 4%, this house will cost less than 308 million rubles.

Next, we recall that one of the key points for keeping and reducing inflation in our country was fixing prices for domestic resources. That is, including construction resources. In this way, we can stabilize some resources available to the state through state-owned companies at a cost less than the market value that existed in August 2021, which will undoubtedly reduce the price of a house.

I also remind you that we are building not a 17-story building, but a 12-story building. In total, the actual price of its construction will be much less than 308 million rubles.

And then we remember that according to the calculations, our house appears as 350 million rubles. That is, considering already fat is laid on inflation, bad loans, force majeure, about 1/6 of the cost of the house itself.

If inflationary factors are successfully controlled, we will have extra money, at least 30 million rubles from each house built in fact. With the construction of 70 houses, this is 000 trillion rubles, which can be used for other needs.

In the event that inflationary factors are more significant than expected, specifically in construction, we will not notice this until the border, approximately corresponding to 20%.

I believe that this is more than enough cushion for the entire project.

7. "...won't the rapid growth of demographics be destructive, from the point of view that marginal strata of society will multiply?"


In the period from 1980 to 2000, about 30% of the population "increased" in the PRC. For the period from 1950 to 1970 - about 40% of the population. These were not important years, I must say. A very large part of the population of the PRC at that time were just the same marginals.

Tell me, please, during these periods did we observe the growth and development of the power of the PRC, or degradation and decline, due to the growth of extra mouths?

If you give people work and the opportunity to engage in business activity, they will prefer it to degradation. Most, that's for sure. Everyone wants to eat well and live comfortably. These mechanisms move a person in development as well.

For centuries, people in our country have been drinking well and giving birth to many children, including in this very marginal environment - this in no way affected the successes that we had.

8. "...why should business be involved in the government's plan?"


Then what any business is interested in profit. And profit is, among other things, a way to reduce costs, including the costs of predictability.

The state assumes prognostic and organizing functions (the state has resources for this - after all, any state collects statistical data, it’s just that at the moment these resources are largely idle or gathering dust on the shelves), keeps inflation and prices for domestic resources, issues cheap loans , improves laws.

That is, the state creates a highly predictable, beneficial environment for doing business within the country. This direction is beneficial for business because it is the direction of cost reduction.

A business operating in a scheme has greater potential for stability than one that is “on its own”.

9. "... all trade niches are already occupied, no one is waiting for us there..."


For example, we will take Turkish exports.

In 2000, as noted in article No. 1, Turkey's exports were $53 billion. And in 2020, it has already become $169 billion.

Let's see what kind of export it is.

13% ($22 billion) - means of land transport, except for railway or tram rolling stock.

9,93% ($16,8 billion) - nuclear reactors, boilers, equipment and mechanical devices.

5,45% (9,24 billion dollars) - electrical machinery and equipment, their parts.

4,94% ($8,38 billion) are garments and clothing accessories.

4,11% ($6,97 billion) - plastics and products made from them.

3,94% (6,69 billion dollars) - can be conditionally noted as "jewelry" and bijouterie.

3,89% ($6,6 billion) - fabrics, carpets and flooring.

3,75% (6,36 billion dollars) - ferrous metal products.

2,84% ($4,83 billion) are edible fruits and nuts.

That is, here is the range of goods for which Turkey was able to triple its GDP.

Do you see something extraordinary here?

I do not see.

The global plastics market is huge, people will always eat (and the more there are, the more they will eat), they will always need clothes, they will always be ready to spend extra money on jewelry.

Machine-building industry of Turkey 20 years ago – was it already better than ours? No. They raised it by occupying the markets.

I remind readers that since the 2000s, global GDP has only grown, therefore, the capacity of the markets of developing countries has also grown - and this means that their needs for these (at least) goods have only increased. At the very least, we can still take a share of the world market with these goods.

But let's consider Polish exports – it has also been a very dynamic economy in the last 20 years.

13,3% ($34 billion) - nuclear reactors, boilers, equipment and mechanical devices.

11,5% (29 billion dollars) - electrical machinery and equipment, their parts.

9,74% ($24 billion) - means of land transport, except for railway or tram rolling stock.

5,66% ($14,3 billion) - furniture; bedding, mattresses, mattress bases, sofa cushions.

4,71% ($11,9 billion) - plastics and products made from them.

3,27% (8,33 billion dollars) - ferrous metal products.

2,4% ($6,1 billion) - paper and cardboard; paper products.

2,16% ($5,51 billion) - meat and edible meat by-products.

2,01% (5,11 billion dollars) - rubber, rubber and products from them.

And again, this picture is a lot of money, in general, out of who knows what.

Is it difficult for us to make competitive rubber and plastics?

Maybe we will make wood products worse than Polish ones?

It is worth noting that a significant part of the raw materials for the production of their goods, that Poland, that Turkey, import from abroad. The cost of electricity in Poland and Turkey is not like ours.

The cost of labor - also (figures for the average salary were indicated in article number 1).

That is, we have a complete carte blanche in intercepting a part of, at least, their markets in terms of the price advantage of products.

10. “...what is the interest of rich people in this whole project? They are satisfied with everything…”


Every rich person is interested in increasing his wealth, in a stable existence that guarantees the security of his profits and investments.

Rich people compete with each other, but their niches are limited niches. These restrictions stem from the environment available to them to build wealth, among other things.

Let's turn to the Forbes list of "20 richest people in the world in 2021":

Jeff Bezos - $177 billion (US)
Elon Musk - $151 billion (US)
Bernard Arnault - $150 billion (France)
Bill Gates - $124 billion (US)
Mark Zuckerberg - $97 billion (US)
The list of 20 closes Michael Bloomberg - $ 59 billion.


For comparison: the richest Russian at the moment (officially) (2021) is Alexei Mordashov, $29 billion, followed by Vladimir Potanin, $27 billion.

It is clearly seen that the size of the fortune of these people cannot be compared with the list of the "top twenty of the world." These are, of course, rich people, but in order to further increase and diversify the sources of their wealth, they need to expand the Russian economy.

Otherwise, they will be limited in their capabilities and will not look good in comparison with their American, European and Chinese counterparts, whose welfare gains are often completely incomparable.

And although many of us are not at all impressed by super-rich people, it must be admitted that in the matter of the country's economic growth, the interests of these people should objectively coincide with ours.

Otherwise, their enterprises will face an increasing decline - resulting both from the general decline of our economic model (under the pressure of sanctions, due to unsuccessful attempts to launch national projects, due to increased social tension), and due to the depletion of readily available resources, which are the main profitable activity for a significant portion of our super-rich people.

A number of readers here may not agree with this thesis - however, you must understand how and what means billionaires earn abroad (these are not resources), and how it happens here. The oligarchs are also well aware of this.

Finale


The unthinkable, the impossible are often the limits of our own intellectual barriers. I thought and still think that we have a huge potential, and instead of trying to realize at least part of it, we prefer to endlessly savor the hoary antiquity and numerous sorrows.

The peoples around us have made their strides towards a good life - do we want to make our own?

This is possible. Because nothing is impossible if you want it.

The author is grateful portal for the most important statistical information used in the article.
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  1. +53
    2 February 2022 18: 13
    Alas, the author did not understand anything from what smart people wrote to him in the comments. And now I can’t make out whether he deliberately distorts, or sincerely does not understand what he is writing.
    Take people's money to stop inflation... Attention, question. With what fright did the author decide that by taking money from people, he would sharply reduce inflation? :))) What was he going to do with this inflation with this money? :))))))
    This, obviously, the author himself does not understand. It just seems to him that having accumulated some funds, he will be able to deal with inflation.
    It would be better if the author understood the mechanisms that cause inflation. Maybe then I would have written something sensible.
    1. +5
      2 February 2022 18: 30
      Alas, the author did not understand anything from what smart people wrote to him in the comments.
      Well, here I see three options - 1. The "Author" considers himself smarter than everyone else 2 - The "Author" is purple for other opinions 3 - The "Author" does not write on his own
      whether deliberately distorting
      The "author" recalled, even when discussing some article, a character with the letter "O ...... h" is known
      or sincerely does not understand
      or both at the same time (and it happens)
      It just seems to him that having accumulated some funds, he will be able to deal with inflation.
      reminds me of my fellow acquaintances from the "bulk witnesses" sect. They carried about the same blizzard with burning eyes. "Often contradicting themselves!
      1. +10
        3 February 2022 07: 36
        The peoples around us have made their strides towards a good life - do we want to make our own?
        This is possible. Because nothing is impossible if you want it.

        The USSR made a breakthrough - you can’t imagine more powerful.
        1. However, 30 years ago, everything that was built by the Soviet people, Chubais and Yeltsin, together with government officials, was distributed among the elite (less than 1% of the population).
        2. Now that everything that can be plundered and sold or already has a stable owner, the people are offered another breakthrough.
        3. To what? And what would once again carry out privatization and steal the results of the work of the next generations of Russian people.
        Conclusion: for another lie people can no longer be divorced, everyone knows and remembers history, they also know who they are dealing with. As a result, young people are leaving en masse.
    2. +5
      2 February 2022 19: 06
      Quote: Andrey from Chelyabinsk
      It would be better if the author understood the mechanisms that cause inflation.

      Hello Andrey! hi
      I really liked the interview of Oleg Komolov to Anton Krasovsky, herald of capitalism. Interesting economic analysis. hi
    3. +16
      3 February 2022 00: 35
      Quote: Andrey from Chelyabinsk
      Taking money from people to stop inflation

      There are several opinions on how to deal with inflation. People have no money (low purchasing power). People - save, buy less (tighten the belt), and according to some economists, this will lead to lower prices. But this is not in Russia! The goods, having not found a buyer in the domestic market, go to the external market. It has practically no effect on domestic inflation. We have a trade surplus (we sell more abroad than we buy) It seems to be good, an abundance of currency! But look where it is sent - the NWF, treasuries (US debt obligations), offshore companies, it is stupidly taken out of the economy and the pockets of the country's population. That is, no matter how puffed up our ministers-economists are, they cannot influence world inflation (the goods go where they pay more, for example? LNG), and the installation of import restrictions (duties, bans) lead to a reduction in production, due to fear oversaturate the domestic market (overproduction) and reduce the cost of goods. In this case, the profit goes into the currency (inflation in the Russian Federation - 8,1 in the USA -6), which again affects the ruble exchange rate and the fall in purchasing power. This economy (raw materials) of monopoly oligarchs is enough for them, and small and medium-sized businesses can survive only by going into crime or shadow, well, or who will get crumbs (budget money) from the master's shoulder. Only the elite, or those who know how to pay kickbacks, are allowed to national projects, and this once again confirms that in the Russian Federation, an unenviable fate is destined for medium and small businesses. hi
      1. +1
        3 February 2022 00: 56
        Nice to see a detailed and informative comment. Are you by any chance an economist?
        1. +5
          3 February 2022 06: 55
          Quote: Knell Wardenheart
          Are you by any chance an economist?

          no, Alexander is not an economist :))))))
          1. +6
            3 February 2022 12: 17
            Quote: Andrey from Chelyabinsk
            no, Alexander is not an economist :))))))

            And here you are right! But in order to understand the general direction of economic development in the Russian Federation, it is not necessary to be an economist (they are brainwashed at the HSE, and apart from exchanging gold for beads, these victims of the EG know nothing! And they don’t want to know!) Unfortunately. hi
            1. +3
              3 February 2022 12: 28
              Quote: fif21
              they are brainwashed at the HSE

              not for everyone :))) I am an economist :) hi
      2. +2
        3 February 2022 06: 55
        Quote: fif21
        The product, having not found a buyer in the domestic market, goes to the external

        Alexander, have you seen the structure of our exports? What consumer goods go to the foreign market, what are you talking about? :)))))
        Quote: fif21
        and setting import restrictions (duties, bans) lead to a reduction in production, for fear of oversaturating the domestic market (overproduction) and reducing the cost of goods

        Oh mein gott! A military secret - the restriction of imports leads to an increase in domestic production, which you can see in the example of the agriculture of the Russian Federation after the WTO was moved.
        Quote: fif21
        That is, no matter how puffed up our ministers-economists are, they cannot influence world inflation

        They never even tried
        1. +2
          3 February 2022 12: 07
          Quote: Andrey from Chelyabinsk
          What consumer goods go to the foreign market, what are you talking about? :)))))

          And where did you see consumer goods with us? We have a resource-based economy! wassat Oil, gas, grain, timber, minerals (titanium, aluminum, potash ......)
          Quote: Andrey from Chelyabinsk
          Oh mein gott! A military secret - the restriction of imports leads to an increase in domestic production, which you can see in the example of the agriculture of the Russian Federation after the WTO was moved.

          Pray to the wrong god! wassat Has the increase in domestic agricultural production led to an increase in prices in the domestic market? (According to the teachings of not smart people from the Higher School of Economics, everything should be the other way around!).
          Quote: Andrey from Chelyabinsk
          They never even tried

          They're trying! But they can't!!!!! Because the basis of the capitalist economy is Thirst for Profit (profit, capital growth) And who can stop this thirst!? Tomorrow you must earn more than today! laughing But as ? If you do not invest your money in upgrading the means of production? That's right - optimize! Cut jobs, reduce wages, raise the price of a product or service. hi
          1. +2
            3 February 2022 12: 31
            Quote: fif21
            And where did you see consumer goods with us? We have a resource-based economy!

            Accordingly, the products of processed raw materials do not enter any foreign markets.
            Quote: fif21
            Pray to the wrong god!

            Why not? Here "gott mit uns" would definitely be superfluous :))))
            Quote: fif21
            Has the increase in domestic agricultural production led to an increase in prices in the domestic market?

            Yes, and for obvious reasons.
            Quote: fif21
            about the teachings of not smart people from the HSE, everything should be the other way around!

            And I'm not their doctor :))))
            Quote: fif21
            They're trying! But they can't!!!!!

            No :)) Ours never had the desire or the ability to influence global inflation. And they only affected inflation within the country :)
  2. +13
    2 February 2022 18: 28
    Let's turn to the Forbes list of "20 richest people in the world in 2021":

    Jeff Bezos - $177 billion (US)
    Elon Musk - $151 billion (US)
    Bernard Arnault - $150 billion (France)
    Bill Gates - $124 billion (US)
    Mark Zuckerberg - $97 billion (US)
    The list of 20 closes Michael Bloomberg - $ 59 billion.


    There is such a nuance here that this is to no small extent virtual wealth, of course, all these people are billionaires, but these hundreds of billions from above are calculated from the exchange price of assets that cannot be realized for the announced amounts.
    1. -2
      2 February 2022 18: 46
      The same goes for our billionaires.
    2. +2
      2 February 2022 18: 52
      So what, from this they have not become less influential and poorer and will not become.
  3. +13
    2 February 2022 18: 31
    Here's what we have today...
    - Not us, but you!
    — What can save us from revision?
    - Sorry, not us, but you!
    “Only theft can save us from revision!”
    1. +8
      3 February 2022 07: 19
      We must also add a quote - "Everything has already been stolen before us", and to the author's statement in the article:
      The peoples around us have made their strides towards a good life - do we want to make our own?

      This is possible. Because nothing is impossible if you want it.

      Here we must honestly say that a breakthrough to a good life, the revival of the greatness of Russia as a superpower, of course, is possible. But, not with thieves and bandits, renegades and new opportunists, but only with truly people's power.
      1. +1
        3 February 2022 19: 30
        To be honest, I wanted to add. And in addition.
        "Don't worry, Comrade Director, the people want to figure out what's what.
        -It `s naturally.
        ―Legal.
        “This is a new, unexplored business for us.
        ―Exactly. Undeveloped.
        - Tell me, please, but this event ... or, better to say, an operation ...
        - "Y"! Operation Y"!
        ― Why are you? Why are you?
        “So that no one would guess.”
        But, I decided that it would be too much hi . In the sense of phrases from the movie. They're just interconnected.
  4. +11
    2 February 2022 18: 32
    What the country will be like, whether it will develop or degrade, whether the people will grow rich or impoverish, does not depend on the whole people, but only on those who own the country.
    And with whom are you, the author, going to do all this, what did you write in the article? With the enemies of the communists who seized the RSFSR, under which Russia is only degrading, and the Russian people are impoverished and dying out, and with all this, the enemies of the communists have been boasting for 30 years, how they all "and now it's better than under the USSR", they conjure "Russia has exhausted the limit on revolutions ", they scare them with the Civil War," rivers of blood ", in the event of a revolution, because they categorically do not want to change anything from what is happening in Russia.
    1. -20
      2 February 2022 19: 31
      whether the people will grow rich or beggar does not depend on the whole people, but only on those who own the country.

      Comrade Red Commissar Irina, aren't you tired of flogging nonsense?
      It depends not only on the people, but also on religion and climatic conditions, etc., only for this book you need to read, and you, the communists, are a slightly illiterate public.
      And give the Tatra the ruler of the country and a bright communist future, well, nothing that he was created on a sea of ​​blood, then shamefully ruined, and the "enemies of the communists", who were themselves communists, stole the entire USSR to the nail. Your audacity is amazing. In Turkish it is called "gyonsurat".
      1. +3
        2 February 2022 20: 31
        Quote: Keyser Soze
        and the "enemies of the communists", who themselves were communists, stole the entire USSR to the nail. Your audacity is amazing. In Turkish it is called "gyonsurat".

        So everywhere there are enough "turnouts", so we have what we want.
        1. -9
          2 February 2022 21: 00
          So everywhere there are enough "turnouts", so we have what we want.


          Colleague, you will agree with me that failures cannot be masked with general phrases, varieties are bad everywhere, failures happen everywhere, and so on. The communists first come out and apologize and say - we @ # (% / and stole everything, ruined the economy and otherwise perverted the good idea of ​​\uXNUMXb\uXNUMXbsocialism. And then say - we offer the people - one, two, three, and so on. If you forgive and choose, then thank you. If not, we will work and restore trust.
          And not here to howl and creak about the imaginary enemies of communism and demand trust and power.
          1. -2
            2 February 2022 21: 06
            Quote: Keyser Soze
            And not here to howl and creak about the imaginary enemies of communism and demand trust and power.

            The communists have lost ground, and now capitalism is in Russia, it's time to forget what happened, we must live a modern life.
            1. +9
              2 February 2022 21: 32
              The communists have given up
              well .... so let's say those who lost their positions were "communists" only by belonging to the party but not to the idea hi
              1. -5
                2 February 2022 22: 04
                let's say those who lost their positions were "communists" only by belonging to the party but not to the idea

                Aham, wrong communists. And what follows from this?
                - Excuse me, comrades, give another 70 years and we will try again? This time we will be right, but it’s not certain if we again want money and yachts ... laughing
                Leave, colleague, this is untenable. hi
      2. +1
        3 February 2022 00: 43
        Quote: Keyser Soze
        Comrade Red Commissar Irina, aren't you tired of flogging nonsense?

        You need to be smacked! Look at communist China and apologize! The regime in the Russian Federation is built on the robbery of the people and its natural resources. No matter how you try to argue it. hi
  5. +22
    2 February 2022 18: 37
    And although many of us are not at all impressed by super-rich people, it must be admitted that in the matter of the country's economic growth, the interests of these people should objectively coincide with ours.
    Yes, that's the trouble, they do not match.
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  7. +12
    2 February 2022 18: 42
    The author, please tell me, what political forces in Russia do you consider as an option to promote your ideas? Do they currently exist?
    1. -7
      2 February 2022 19: 16
      Here I see an objective problem, because our public policy is infinitely far from pragmatic politics, in which votes go to those who improve the life of the voter.
      The line I have outlined contains some conditionally "left" solutions, however, like many commentators above, our official "left" forces cannot put aside the line of historical fetishism, and therefore it is hardly possible to rely on them. Nor do they like the purely capitalistic construction which (despite a number of social lines) pervades my plan. The question of the usefulness of the views of historical fetishism (although in my opinion it is relevant from the point of view of justice) is extremely doubtful, from the point of view of building a plan that is compromised for all forces and directed to the future. Thus, I do not see that the line I have outlined could be supported by the "left" forces at the level of the organized party elite.

      The current liberal and right-wing forces, in my opinion, are even further from my ideas, they will not be impressed by the "left" component of my views. In a healthy liberal field we now have, I would say a thorough stagnation, the forces that are present there, in general, either decide little or are "right" dogmatists.

      "EdRo" as a conditional right-center, as a structure, in my opinion, has discredited itself, turning into a hellish hodgepodge of indiscriminate politicians, unscrupulous locomotives and wagons attached to them. The political link between all these people, in my opinion, prevents them from expressing any useful line that is far from populism (beyond some separate, unsystematic attempts). There will be no attempts to develop a systemic, conceptual line - in view of the developed mechanisms of vertical party control. And there are negligibly few figures capable of doing this for reasons of good for the country.

      From an ideological point of view (in my opinion), A Just Russia has the most suitable view of things, conditionally it is "left-center". However, this party, as far as I understand, is a fairly decentralized collection of relatively strong personalities - representing themselves as personalities, but not as a single and strong party. At the level of personalities - perhaps a number of these people and their voters could be impressed by my ideas. But they have a very modest electoral base, and I would say "there is no clear program."

      I consider the LDPR as a kind of antipode of A Just Russia, this is a very expressive party, while consisting of very inexpressive personalities (with the exception of the "permanent"). To a large extent, this movement relies on populism, as such, "liberal democracy" has long been gone. At the party level, I don't think these people would like ALL of my ideas. However, some of them could well be captured as populist recitatives. This, however, would hardly be good.

      As for the new parties - IMHO, we have a VERY small part of society, in principle, delves into some kind of party program. And we have a very small part of the parties, for this (including) reason, they somehow seriously prescribe this program. Small, relatively new parties - thus, these are either outright spoilers or have very little electoral potential. Some of them might well support my ideas.

      Overall - I believe that due to the low information culture and the low demands of our society, at first the Idea needs to get into the masses, wander around the intellectual space, let's say so. If it learns to hit the very apple of human desires, it could well be developed on the basis of a coalition of "left-center", "left", small parties and even individual personalities from the "right-center" and "right". At the moment, all these are scattered forces that do not have enough of their own resources to reach out to the electorate.
      1. -3
        2 February 2022 21: 55
        The current liberal and right-wing forces...

        You divide political forces into left, right, liberals (centrists). This is good, but the problem is that modern politics no longer works with these concepts and they are very blurred. Cause? Left governments operate "right" politicians, and right governments use politicians, in the field of labor, wages, economics characteristic of the left. Something like that. This can be seen throughout Europe. In my opinion, the parties are moving towards some kind of technocracy, but this is not certain .. hi
        With all this, you can see how parties take elections with age in a week - Macron, Zelensky, Italian comedians and who else. We have won a party of technocrats, a week old, on the hatred of the people for the traditional parties of windbags and thieves. So your theory is simplified. Today, every determined person can take power. Unless, of course, there are free elections in his country ...
        1. -3
          2 February 2022 22: 05
          I personally do not share)) I just outlined in a more understandable form for most. As for me, our thought and politics are generally "the most expensive theater on earth."
          A politician in Europe is completely different from a politician with us. Perhaps, in "grassroots" politics, this is more or less comparable. But the higher we climb, the more we see how divergent these roles are.
          We have a very big distrust of everything new, our people vote "for an idea", even if this "idea" has long been privatized by completely worthless personalities, and "for personalities", even if these people have no ideas other than the ability to sing or " punch in the face." Ah, this man from the Vologda region? Well, I'll vote for him. Or so - oh, here she flew into space, with Gagarin in the photo, that's it, "Soviet hardening", get my vote! . Something like this !
          This story can be repeated and repeated, as in Groundhog Day. In the West, a person can conditionally "lose face", his jambs will hook the media and outrage the public, he will lose his electorate. We have practically NOTHING can hook the public. Our politician, it seems to me, should personally act in a gay orgy, and then gobble up a baby with its participants, singing songs about the Russian Orthodox Church - so that his rating "fell". And all this will happen only if it is shown on ORT or Russia-1. Because otherwise it will just fly past your ears - someone will think that this is "slander!" someone will say that this is "all lies".
          1. -2
            2 February 2022 22: 20
            then gobble up a baby with its participants, singing songs about the Russian Orthodox Church - so that its rating "falls".


            Genuinely laughed with your sense of humor, but you're right. This is how it is with us. Damn Slavs...
            Somewhere a million years ago, I read "The Protestant Ethics and the Spirit of Capitalism" by Max Weber and understood why in Switzerland everything is clean and people are rich, and vice versa in Bulgaria. Although we and you are changing, it is difficult and slow. Although living in the Balkans is one fun, without the annoying rules of Switzerland. Any way, I wish you to become the president of Russia. In some way, yes, you will have time to make the country better. The desire to improve your state is important. In our elections, I voted for guys like you - educated, smart and not corrupt. Growing up after communism. A new world must be built with new people. They won the elections and now we will see how you speak. hi
            1. -12
              2 February 2022 22: 25
              I understood why in Switzerland everything is clean and people are rich, while in Bulgaria it is the other way around. Although we and you are changing, but it is difficult and slow

              Yes, everything is simple - do you know the difference in order in the house, between a bachelor and a single woman? )))
              This is what it is - a different mentality. It's just that in Switzerland it is implanted ("Protestant ethics") and the female mentality (among men) prevails as an ideology. Hence the difference in order))))
        2. -1
          3 February 2022 00: 48
          Quote: Keyser Soze
          You divide political forces into left, right, liberals (centrists). This is good, but the problem is that modern politics no longer works with

          An article about the economy, and you are all about politics! Not tired? hi
  8. +12
    2 February 2022 18: 46
    The unthinkable, the impossible are often the limits of our own intellectual barriers.

    The unthinkable and impossible appears (may appear) as a result of the violation of moral principles, generally accepted rules and laws. I affirm this as a resident of a country in which the socialist system was destroyed in this way and state property was plundered.
    All these fables about eternal inflation are a cheap trick of parasites who have replaced real money with digital money and elevated speculation to the rank of law.
    It is out of thin air that you can take numbers in accounts with many zeros both in rubles and in foreign currency. One loaf of bread will not make two. If only so:
  9. +18
    2 February 2022 18: 48
    You read and understand the author twice or thrice a utopian. Both capitalists and communists will laugh at his proposals. Everything seems to be correct, but Manilovism is Manilovism. Who will just give up power with personal billions. No one has yet canceled the class struggle. Everything will go entrance, and bribery and fraud. Already now, look at what kind of mud they are pouring over Grudinin. Again they try to disgrace Lenin, again he was diagnosed with syphilis.
    Who prevents the authorities from doing what you propose? Everywhere they put financial watchers and not professional specialists. On the outskirts if there is no oil and gas they do not care. What about the situation with the forest?
    "The interests of the super-rich should coincide with ours" - when at what time was it?
    The lulling propagandist of the oligarchs can no longer be said. soldier
    1. -13
      2 February 2022 19: 36
      "Both capitalists and communists will laugh at his proposals." The capitalists will not laugh, because what the author proposes can not be fully but partially implemented and is being implemented at the last Far Eastern Economic Forum in 2021, several dozen contracts were signed, some significant for the region
      LLC Ruskhim Gas, the Ministry for the Development of the Russian Far East, Gazprombank, VTB, VEB.RF Corporation signed an Agreement on the construction of a methanol production plant with a capacity of 1 thousand tons/year. The volume of investments is 800 billion rubles.
      · OOO Amur-Minerals and JSC Gazprombank signed a syndicated loan agreement to finance OOO AmurMinerals. The volume of investments is 195 billion rubles.
      · PJSC Sberbank, Gazprombank and the Russian Copper Company Group signed a syndicated loan agreement in the amount of 195 billion rubles to finance the group's project to develop the Malmyzhskoye copper deposit in the Khabarovsk Territory.
      · VEB.RF, Primorsky Krai, the Russian Ministry for the Development of the Russian Far East, Corporation for the Development of the Far East and the Arctic and JSC Port Infrastructure Development Center signed an agreement on cooperation in the implementation of a large-scale port project. The total cargo turnover of the new port will be over 70 million tons. The estimated total investment in the project to create a port is estimated at 180 billion rubles.
      · JSC "Corporation for the Development of the Far East and the Arctic" and "Primorsky Metallurgical Plant" signed an Agreement on the establishment of production in the territory of advanced development "Bolshoi Kamen", investing 158 billion rubles.
      · FSUE Atomflot and JSC Atomenergomash signed a contract for the supply of a modernized floating power unit worth more than 100 billion rubles.
      · Stroytransgaz and Kitaystroy entered into an agreement for 20 billion rubles. for the construction of a new cultural center in Vladivostok.
      The National Program for the Development of the Far East until 2025 and for the future until 2035 involves attracting public and private investments in the amount of 11 trillion rubles.
      1. +7
        2 February 2022 20: 01
        As a pensioner, what will happen to me from what you have listed above? By how much will the workers' wages be increased? What about doctors and teachers? Where does the money for all these projects come from? From the budget or from the profits of the mentioned enterprises and LLC, JSC, Federal State Unitary Enterprise, etc. belay request
        1. -10
          2 February 2022 20: 08
          As a pensioner, what will happen to me from what you have listed above? By how much will the workers' wages be increased? What about doctors and teachers? The more deductions to the budget will be regional and federal, the more spending on social programs will be.
          Where does the money for all these projects come from? From the budget or from the profits of the enterprises mentioned Both from the state budget and from private pockets - now the state does almost nothing in one scoreboard, attracts private investment everywhere.
          1. +6
            2 February 2022 20: 25
            For some reason, Skolkovo and Rusnano came to mind, Vadim. good
            1. -4
              3 February 2022 02: 04
              Skolkovo's turnover last year was from 140 to 160 billion rubles - they are developing normally, but Rosnano's problems with income are still engaged in a very risky direction of investment, but whatever one may say, 97 industries have opened a sufficient number of unique ones for Russia and they work several years after investing in projects, but they continue to work the same. High-tech industries are always big risks and you should not count on high profits in this direction - only a few can get it.
        2. -7
          2 February 2022 20: 15
          Everyone - doctors, teachers, pensioners, state employees - will receive an increase in salary only if the nominal value of GDP (and, consequently, the nominal value of the budget) increases. Since % of the budget can be played for a long time, but not indefinitely. Thus, all citizens of the country are organically interested in the growth of the country's GDP. Otherwise, these increases will be a simple "shifting of stones".
          1. +6
            2 February 2022 23: 01
            salary increase will be only in case of an increase in the nominal value of GDP

            There is no direct relationship between these categories.
          2. +2
            3 February 2022 09: 30
            Quote: Knell Wardenheart
            . Thus, all citizens of the country are organically interested in the growth of the country's GDP.

            They are interested. What's the point? There can be no GDP growth with an increasingly impoverished population, a decrease in the overall production and scientific potential of the country.

            The main causes of inflation in our country, in my opinion: 1. increase in funds in circulation through active lending to the population 2. Reducing the volume of national production in real terms, provoking cost-push inflation 3. Rising prices for imported goods 4. Depreciation of the national currency 5. All more growing role of monopolies 6. World financial and industrial crises.
            Can the fund you wrote about affect these reasons? Certainly, but not all. But you have to start here and now. Not in 20-30 years, but now. And this means that you need to run into wild, today, contradictions. On the one hand: 1. Increase the social burden by raising the income level of the population to their normal solvency and maximum involvement in the economic life of the state. 2. Limit lending to individuals as much as possible and, conversely, increase lending to legal entities in order to create a solid foundation from small and medium-sized businesses, which, in turn, will be the locomotive for increasing real GDP in the future 3. Maximize allocations for domestic science and education. 4. Start mass construction of industrial enterprises.
            On the other hand: 1. Tighten legal penalties for fraud as much as possible 2. Strengthen control over the work of the apparatus of officials and security forces. 3. Maximize duties on imported non-strategic goods and services. 4. Detach the ruble from the world dollar system. 5. Limit, if not completely break up all monopolies, which, as you know, are detrimental to any economy.
            What happens is that it is necessary to turn on its head everything that the powers that be have been striving for and doing for the past three decades ... How can this be done? Is that the main question?
            The rest is particulars that are solvable in one form or another.
            1. -3
              3 February 2022 12: 07
              1. Increase the social burden by raising the income level of the population to their normal solvency and maximum involvement in the economic life of the state

              By building and distributing housing for life rent, we are "pulling out" 3-4 million families to the lower level of the "middle class". Their money that they earn doesn't disappear inside the horse mortgage payments, but goes to the market. Having solved one of the most important personal issues, they automatically become much more economically active members of society. We also unload from a large mortgage % of those who already have some money and are ready to pay a mortgage for their first home (we give it to them at 2% per annum). The difference between such a mortgage and the current one is on the market. This is what makes sense to do. We will not solve the problem simply by helicopter distribution of money.
              2. Limit lending to individuals as much as possible and, conversely, increase lending to legal entities in order to create a solid foundation from small and medium-sized businesses, which, in turn, will be the locomotive for increasing real GDP in the future

              As I understand it, you want to overcome "indebtedness" with this. In my opinion, the problem of launching SMEs is divided into "credit" and "legislative" ones. We will not solve the problem of SMEs without rewriting the laws for the convenience of forming SMEs.
              3. Maximize appropriations for domestic science and education.

              From nothing. We have a limited budget. If we throw a couple more% inside it on science, in numerical terms it will still be negligible for the breakthrough that we need. I agree that now 1.1% is very little. But even doubling or tripling it, we will not receive appropriations for science comparable with Western or Eastern ones. We need to increase the budget itself first.
              4. Start mass construction of industrial enterprises.

              Absolutely agree with you. At the same time, in order for all this not to be state-owned enterprises, we need to involve business and wealthy people in this construction.
              4. Detach the ruble from the world dollar system.

              The idea is good, but I can't imagine how this can be done without first increasing our own economy and the share of our presence in the world market.
              5. Limit, if not completely break up all monopolies, which, as you know, are detrimental to any economy.

              Partly through legislation, partly through fixing prices for internal resources. In part - monopolies will have to be put up with as a necessary evil. For example, ASML Dutch is a pure monopoly. Artificial tearing of this structure would only bring harm, because in a segmented form it could not accumulate such finances for R&D, and accordingly would not load science with money for them, and would not create an innovative product. In some cases, monopolies are necessary because they are the flagships of external economic expansion. But I agree with you - not everywhere they are useful and not everywhere justified.

              How to do it? Is that the main question?

              No way) It is very clear from the comments that our society is not at all ready for any changes at the moment (although it likes to talk about them).
              We lack the ability to listen and compromise. Until there is success in this direction, we will not go further. So at the moment - discussion for the sake of discussion, search for the sake of search, and the idea as a concept.
            2. 0
              4 February 2022 17: 19
              Start mass construction of industrial enterprises. What and for what - do you have a sales market for products for on-line work? And most importantly, where will you get the money for this mass construction of an industrial enterprise, an average of 20 billion rubles, if it’s massive - it’s 1000 to build, then they will cost at least 20 trillion rubles - where will you get such a huge amount and what is the probability that these mass enterprises with such huge investments will not if they go bankrupt at the payback stage - they can load up to 100% of everything that is already working in the first couple, and then, based on the needs of the domestic and foreign markets, start mass construction in stages.
              1. +1
                4 February 2022 19: 01
                Good evening.
                Quote: Vadim237
                for what

                So that toys, pencils and felt-tip pens for our children are not from Germany and China, machine tools are not from Korea and Japan, irons and slow cookers are not from Indonesia and Thailand, and medicines are not from India ...

                Quote: Vadim237
                Do you have a market for products to work on?

                For a start, 250 million of the former CIS is enough, and then more ...

                Quote: Vadim237
                And most importantly, where will you get the money for this mass construction of an industrial enterprise, an average of 20 billion rubles, if it’s massive - it’s 1000 to build, then they will cost at least 20 trillion rubles ...

                Oh, don't talk about money... We have already written about financial flows a million times here. 20 trillion that's $238 billion.
                The net outflow of capital from Russia in January-November 2021 amounted to $73,9 billion, which is one and a half times higher than last year, when it was at the level of $48,9 billion. According to the Bank of Russia, two-thirds of all foreign currency left the country profit earned by the economy during this period (111,4 billion dollars). This figure was a record for the past seven years and was achieved largely due to increased revenues of exporters against the backdrop of rising world prices for raw materials.
                For the three quarters of 2021, Russians invested 616 billion rubles in the purchase of foreign shares, and the cumulative total since the beginning of 2020 is 1,09 trillion, which is 12 times more than in the previous two years (90 billion rubles).
                Total for two years, almost 137 yards (or more than 50%) of the "incredible" amount that is needed for a thousand! enterprises...
                Quote: Vadim237
                in the first couple, it can load up to 100% everything that is already working, and then, based on the needs of the domestic and foreign markets, mass construction will be done step by step.

                The market is flooded with imports. No light is visible. In order to change something, it is necessary to build domestic enterprises, provide them with a tax-free period of five years, and, if there is an urgent need for this, with an interest-free loan. But also to warn the management of the serious and inevitable responsibility for its possible bankruptcy. In five years, taxes will go to the budget. In general, we need to do as China has done and continues to do...
                hi
          3. +3
            3 February 2022 10: 42
            Let's take Canada as an example - Canada's standard of living is steadily rising, its social, economic and political line is unshakable

            Canada has been stagnating for a long time. The main problems are the huge debt burden of the population, very weak investment activity of business, as well as
            A characteristic feature of Canada is the large role that foreign capital plays in its economy. Thus, foreign, primarily American companies, own 26,5% of assets and over 30% of operating income in non-financial sectors. This share is even higher in the manufacturing industry (almost half of the assets) and the oil and gas sector (36,7%) ... At the same time, the overestimated share of the extractive industries (8,5%) attracts attention and is lower than in other Western countries, the share of the manufacturing industry (10,6%). Although the decline in the share of manufacturing in GDP is a common trend in developed countries, in Canada it is more pronounced and sharper than in many other countries with a similar level of development. bstudy.net
            1. +2
              3 February 2022 12: 11
              In the GDP (nominal) ranking, the Canadian economy is ahead of us, and Canada itself is much more attractive for emigration than the Russian Federation. But from the point of view of economic growth - I agree, the example is not very successful. But they live well and stable. This cannot be taken away.
          4. +2
            3 February 2022 10: 53
            The unthinkable, the impossible are often the limits of our own intellectual barriers. I thought and still think that we have a huge potential, and instead of trying to realize at least part of it, we prefer to endlessly savor the hoary antiquity and numerous sorrows.

            I agree with you. The main thing is to accumulate strength and will with the help of desire, and go towards the intended goal, but from what is happening around, you can see the actions that are directly opposite to your plan. Many in this world do not need hundreds of millions of rich and smart Russians...
            hi
          5. +1
            3 February 2022 14: 59
            For some servants of the people, even without raising the GDP, they raise their salaries, and they do not produce anything, and those who are dragging the country, please wait until it rises
            1. -5
              4 February 2022 17: 22
              There are at most 10000 such people in the country - and tens of millions who need to increase salaries and pensions.
              1. +1
                4 February 2022 17: 29
                Only these 10000 influence politics, the economy, health, safety, and now they have raised everything well for them. So why should they strain for the rest of the millions if they do not depend on them? They have a separate world there where everything is fine and everyone is happy with their existence.
    2. -7
      2 February 2022 20: 06
      Quote: V.
      You read and understand the author twice or thrice a utopian.

      No, he is a realist.
  10. +5
    2 February 2022 18: 52
    These are, of course, rich people, but in order to further increase and diversify the sources of their wealth, they need to expand the Russian economy.


    Rich people in the world and rich people in Russia...
    Why did the Rotenbergs get rich? Answer options:
    1) Found a treasure
    2) Won the lottery
    3) Were friends with GDP
    4) Better take a look at the US national debt!
    I choose: 5) Fools and roads

    If serious. They want to earn money and engage in space, the metaverse, high technologies. Our…
    1. -2
      2 February 2022 19: 24
      At the moment, there are conditionally "take away the stolen" levers, as the "leftists" would call it - they are stupidly absent. So here, whether you like it or not, the choice is this - either we play according to these rules and with these pieces, or we continue to procrastinate in the kitchen about the "lost Soviet paradise."
      1. +5
        2 February 2022 19: 29
        Quote: Knell Wardenheart
        At the moment, there are conditionally "take away the stolen" levers, as the "leftists" would call it - they are stupidly absent. So here, whether you like it or not, the choice is this - either we play according to these rules and with these pieces, or we continue to procrastinate in the kitchen about the "lost Soviet paradise."


        There are such levers. Official revision of the results of privatization. Transfer to the right owners. Through bidding, auctions... State-controlled, not counterfeit. I write and understand - it is unrealistic.
        PS Although I personally am for the expropriation, or rather the confiscation of the stolen.
        1. +1
          2 February 2022 19: 38
          Well, formally - yes, there is a type. In fact - what kind of people do we have there, they sit in the COP? Even if (well, let's say) a wave rises and somehow miraculously reaches there (and the oligarchs will look at it with elephantine calm) - what will these people say? After all, such a revision is a lot of heads flying after it, it is a rewriting of textbooks, it is a defamation of those who are now "on horseback". And, of course, the selection of these funds. This will not happen. Moreover, even attempts to start it are doomed to failure. For the super-rich, what they have today is a GIVING. They won't give it up, not one by one, not all of them. Will be taken out if needed. If necessary, they will get rid of the core that initiates such a revision. What the "leftists" proudly talk about - it could well be if we live in a relatively European country, with a relatively independent court, the press, etc. But now - in fact, the vast majority of our super-rich people, because they have a nose in pollen. Neither they, nor their servants, nor their newspapers, will dig under it. Moreover, those parliamentary parties that are sponsored (albeit partially) by such people will also not (in fact) dig under it.
          So this is EXCLUDED. Everything, this question can really be closed and forgotten. The two options, as I said, are either to work with these people as if nothing had happened. Or wait humbly for the end of the country, resources, light, etc.
      2. +2
        2 February 2022 19: 40
        Quote: Knell Wardenheart

        -1
        At the moment, there are conditionally levers to "take away the stolen" as the "leftists" would call it - they are stupidly absent

        Khodorkovsky looks at you with sympathetic amazement...
        1. -2
          2 February 2022 20: 00
          Hodor is no longer a super-rich man - does he live on bread and kefir? According to international courts, we do not have claims for 57 billion dollars from the affected shareholders of Yukos?
          Do you think the European Themis will not rip off this money from us, due to the arrests of our property?) It has already happened, and more than once.
          1. 0
            2 February 2022 20: 03
            In addition to Khodorkovsky, Berezovsky, Gusinsky and many others were deprived of billions in assets.
            So your statement does not fit well with reality.
            1. +1
              2 February 2022 20: 04
              ... And, of course, our population "healed" after that? After all, that's what it was all about, right?
              1. +8
                2 February 2022 20: 10
                I'm not doing that ..pseudo-intellectual occupation)
                I'm just showing you that almost all of your theses are divorced from the real state of affairs. Projection seems to be called.
                You cannot build a normal house on a slanting and rotten foundation. And the foundation is democracy, a regular change of power through real elections, independent branches of government, a free press, the rule of law. Without these boring things, everything else is pointless verbiage
              2. +6
                2 February 2022 20: 52
                Quote: Knell Wardenheart
                And, of course, our population "healed" after that? After all, that's what it was all about, right?

                Of course not. You about leverage
                Quote: Knell Wardenheart
                At the moment, there are conditionally "take away the stolen" leverage, as the "leftists" would call it - they are stupidly absent.

                write that they are.
                The same Gusinsky was officially imprisoned for several cartridges for the nominal PSM shot at the dacha. Initially.
                1. +1
                  2 February 2022 21: 03
                  For 2020, there were at least 102 dollar billionaires in the Russian Federation ($1 billion + capital). How many have been there since 2000? I can't guess.
                  Let's say, let's say that Gusinsky and Berezovsky and Khodorkovsky were successfully "dispossessed". This is relative, because they withdrew significant funds abroad, in fact, "dispossessed" them for real estate and some SHARE of assets. The rest is what is called "unavailable". Moreover, as in the case of Hodor, it is possible that they will inspire lawsuits against the Russian Federation from abroad and win them. Then our ships, cargoes, real estate, etc. will be arrested again. If we freeze again on these lawsuits.
                  But, even - let's say, dispossessed. Less than 3% of oligarchs. Suppose the authorities decide to use these tools and dispossess another 10% in this way. What would the remaining 90 do? What do you think ?
                  I now think that they would have collected everything liquid and transferred it abroad, they would have left the managers here to eat up the illiquid. And along the way, they would raise a storm of slurry, which would scare away the already not abundant foreign investors who want to invest in the Russian Federation. These foreign investors are not particularly impressed with the methods by which we "dispossess kulaks". And the long and glorious history of the need for this is of little interest to them - for them it is RISKS. It is we who are great lovers of dazzling and savoring the dashing twists and turns of our history, and in the West people get sick of these events "in colors".
                  Thus, at the end of this whole exprop scheme, we would get the classic "Russian business" (Steal a box of vodka - sell - and drink the money), that is, we would pull out some part of the money, we would lose a lot, we would lose the prospect of investing in many years.
                  Well, yes, one could make another "triumph of the will" out of this. But that wouldn't give us tens of billions. Even close.
                  1. +2
                    2 February 2022 21: 17
                    Quote: Knell Wardenheart
                    I now think that they would have collected everything liquid and transferred it abroad, they would have left the managers here to eat up the illiquid.

                    Well, who did the same Gusinsky leave here? On NTV, for example? Parfenov with several other journalists? They were eaten quickly. Like the "illiquid" NTV. Just "eat" selectively. The same Berezovsky, sensing an ax over his bald head, quickly folded his deputy together with immunity and drove off to London. There would be a person, but there would be an article. At least on Ulyukaev, at least on some kind of shaman who decides to expel Putin from the Kremlin with a tambourine.
      3. +1
        3 February 2022 15: 03
        From whom they will take away from themselves Found With you to play with you, the whole card is marked
    2. -12
      2 February 2022 19: 45
      I choose answer 2 We won the lottery - the USSR collapsed, and they ended up at the right time in the right place and with the knowledge necessary for the situation, thanks to this, the "fragments" skillfully pocketed acquaintance and friendship with Putin were later.
  11. +7
    2 February 2022 18: 57
    That you can raise very good money on fish - in the Far East we have significant fish resources and at least 3 huge markets in the neighborhood.

    We can, like Norwegians and Swedes, invest in high-quality infrastructure for the processing of these products and drive them at completely different prices than now

      In addition to the market of neighboring countries, the vast market of Russia, which needs fish products, and precisely in excellent products, and not blue whiting, capelin, sardinella, and even more so in Chinese pangasius, or ocean processing of "straw" delivered from Norway through Russia.
    1. -4
      2 February 2022 19: 26
      Exactly ! Having increased the capacity of our own market, raising the standard of living and consumption, we can build up the economy, including through an increase in domestic demand.
      The prices for the same red caviar have simply become ridiculous, for chicken, for beef, etc. - also.
      1. +12
        2 February 2022 19: 42
        Quote: Knell Wardenheart
        Exactly ! Having increased the capacity of our own market, raising the standard of living and consumption, we can build up the economy, including through an increase in domestic demand.
        The prices for the same red caviar have simply become ridiculous, for chicken, for beef, etc. - also.


        Ridiculous in what way? I haven't laughed in stores for a long time.
      2. +9
        2 February 2022 20: 37
        Quote: Knell Wardenheart
        The prices for the same red caviar have simply become ridiculous, for chicken, for beef, etc. - also.

        At what income prices become ridiculous?
    2. +7
      2 February 2022 19: 39
      Quote: tihonmarine
      That you can raise very good money on fish - in the Far East we have significant fish resources and at least 3 huge markets in the neighborhood.

      We can, like Norwegians and Swedes, invest in high-quality infrastructure for the processing of these products and drive them at completely different prices than now

        In addition to the market of neighboring countries, the vast market of Russia, which needs fish products, and precisely in excellent products, and not blue whiting, capelin, sardinella, and even more so in Chinese pangasius, or ocean processing of "straw" delivered from Norway through Russia.


      No need to drive on capelin. Delicious fish. It just costs more than meat. Capelin. More than meat...
      1. +2
        2 February 2022 20: 02
        Quote: sergo1914
        No need to drive on capelin. Delicious fish. It just costs more than meat. Capelin. More than meat...

        At one time, capelin, sardine, sardinella, mackerel, horse mackerel - cost 420 rubles per ton of food products. The lowest prices.
        1. +2
          2 February 2022 20: 08
          Quote: tihonmarine
          Quote: sergo1914
          No need to drive on capelin. Delicious fish. It just costs more than meat. Capelin. More than meat...

          At one time, capelin, sardine, sardinella, mackerel, horse mackerel - cost 420 rubles per ton of food products. The lowest prices.


          So much per kilogram in the store
          1. +3
            2 February 2022 21: 19
            Quote: sergo1914
            So much per kilogram in the store

            This is now, but in Soviet times it was 42 kopecks per kilo.
      2. +3
        2 February 2022 20: 04
        Quote: sergo1914
        No need to drive on capelin. Delicious fish.

        Baltic sprat is also a delicious product, but it cost 31 kopecks per kilogram, and there is no comparison, cod and ocean perch, and many other types of fish.
  12. +3
    2 February 2022 19: 02
    This is an annual collection potential (at 300 rubles) of 151 billion rubles.

    Don't you think that the very formulation of the question - to consider citizens as a resource - looks completely villainous? And I also don’t like that in the future he talks so easily about mortgages, forgetting that in reality this means slavery, when a citizen, terribly afraid of losing his job and any salary, is often forced to make a deal with his conscience every day, to accept ordinary humiliation ? Loan interest is evil, the very first solution should be its immediate ban.
    1. -4
      2 February 2022 19: 54
      The Bolsheviks had the term "Living Force" - and now that people have ceased to be a labor intellectual cultural resource for the state?
      1. +4
        2 February 2022 21: 01
        Quote: Vadim237
        The Bolsheviks had the term "Living force"

        In what document do the Bolsheviks have this term?
  13. +5
    2 February 2022 19: 03
    As for export. To export something, you need to produce something. On your territory. Cheap to make and expensive to sell (we don’t take Belarus with “its” seafood). Yes, we have "cheap" electricity and "cheap" energy resources. Here the production cost is expensive. Why? Yes, the taxes of your beloved state. I am not against taxation. I am for taxation. Adequate. For the development of production. And the optimization of the state apparatus. In the age of digitalization, why the hell do we need so many freeloaders? I understand that our leaders have children. They need to be attached. And all places are occupied. Well, they should not go to the stock exchange. You can come up with a department, department, division for issuing another piece of paper. Or no release. Why do we need such a PFR? Or tax? Do they count everything in the accounts? Or count computers?
    1. -1
      2 February 2022 19: 29
      This is what I, among other things, put in the paragraph on "reworking legislation." It is difficult for me to judge how much one or another array of our current laws slows down certain positive processes - however, on the examples of the growth of neighboring states, I see that THIS EFFECT ITSELF is obvious. For 10 years our economy has grown only by 25%. This, in my opinion, is the best evidence that our laws are ineffective for growth and development.
      1. +3
        2 February 2022 19: 40
        Quote: Knell Wardenheart
        This is what I, among other things, put in the paragraph on "reworking legislation." It is difficult for me to judge how much one or another array of our current laws slows down certain positive processes - however, on the examples of the growth of neighboring states, I see that THIS EFFECT ITSELF is obvious. For 10 years our economy has grown only by 25%. This, in my opinion, is the best evidence that our laws are ineffective for growth and development.


        More growth. The rest goes into pockets.
        1. -10
          2 February 2022 19: 55
          And from the pockets back into the economy, money is always in motion.
          1. +5
            2 February 2022 20: 09
            Quote: Vadim237
            And from the pockets back into the economy, money is always in motion.


            This is from the pockets of the population, not from the pockets of friends
            1. -4
              3 February 2022 02: 10
              And they don’t spend theirs from their pockets on anything - stop telling fairy tales from the pocket of the population - absolutely all the money is in the work of both the population and all millionaires and billionaires, even if you have money under your pillow.
              1. +3
                3 February 2022 06: 38
                Quote: Vadim237
                And they don’t spend theirs from their pockets on anything - stop telling fairy tales from the pocket of the population - absolutely all the money is in the work of both the population and all millionaires and billionaires, even if you have money under your pillow.


                Funny. Offshore? No, have not heard. Do they buy yachts in St. Petersburg and Vladivostok? Palaces and apartments in Voronezh?
                1. -3
                  4 February 2022 17: 27
                  I bought machines through offshore companies and the money there is also not a dead weight. Do they buy yachts in St. Petersburg and Vladivostok? Palaces and apartments in Voronezh - Real estate in Russia is being bought and enterprises are being built, but have you not heard of a common fund in Gelendzhik, or is Gelendzhik no longer Russia?
      2. ban
        +2
        3 February 2022 09: 12
        In 10 years, our economy has grown by only 25%


        Smiled from the heart!
        I could not resist
  14. +9
    2 February 2022 19: 04
    That you can raise very good money on fish - in the Far East we have significant fish resources and at least 3 huge markets in the neighborhood.

    It is not necessary to raise money on fish, but to sell it at the price at which it appears in the weekly diet of citizens. And in our country they strive to sell both fish and everything else to citizens at world prices, while paying 200-300 dollars a month.
    By the way, some categories of products in the USSR were subsidized (they cost less than cost). So the state showed concern for citizens ...
    And you are trying to force the thieves to return the loot voluntarily...
    1. +4
      2 February 2022 19: 59
      Quote: yuriy55
      By the way, some categories of products in the USSR were subsidized (they cost less than cost).

      First of all, the fishing industry.
  15. -3
    2 February 2022 19: 10
    What kind of new demagogue "squared" has appeared on VO? I would have to deal with the old ones, but this newcomer is doing them with one left. Who decided to publish his articles? fool
  16. -3
    2 February 2022 19: 38
    Alas, the author has not written anything about the mentality of our Russian peoples either. And this is important. Such a thought experiment. Three turners came to work: a German turner, a Russian and an African (from bingo-bongu). Guess who will make better products without continuous quality control? For this reason, in my understanding, in the next two decades we will live worse than the Germans, but better than the Africans. Raising a country is not easy. And pour it with money will not work. These are professional skills, these are technologies, this is know-how and inventions, this is the habit of working only with high quality.
    1. -1
      2 February 2022 19: 44
      Our mentality is very clearly visible in the comments. We have a very significant part of society that rejects reality as a kind of rebuildable substance - preferring reality as a kind of aesthetically colored and augmented version. I don’t want to eat porridge with bourgeoisie! And that's it, pens with a cross and hysteria. I don’t want to vote for normal politicians - I want a red (or white) belly-bellied guy who will make clear speeches and then cut coupons in the Duma. Etc..
      This is the scourge of our domestic policy. Very short memory, a lot of illusions, a lot of faith, very vague requests. There is a lot of superfluous between a person and profit.
      1. +2
        3 February 2022 15: 12
        If it rejects reality, then you didn’t think that reality was fictional or not correct Or again, people don’t understand the concept and are generally stupid and not distant If a person sees one thing and is convinced of the opposite, then this is already schizophrenia or someone’s lie
        1. -2
          3 February 2022 18: 16
          Well, for 70 years in the USSR, people were convinced of a bunch of everything - and then it suddenly turned out that there was, it turns out, no morality - and a bunch of people - how - they can trade their bodies, hire in other people's wars, steal, kill, deceive. That fiery communists can quickly transform into fiery fighters against communism.
          That's it! After all, people saw one thing, but in reality, a completely different picture turned out.
          So it is now - in our country people see something, but is it really so?
          1. +2
            3 February 2022 20: 17
            I do not idealize the USSR, on the contrary, every day I see with unpleasantness that today's reality is more and more like the beginning and middle of the 80s of the last millennium. In what it all will pour out, it becomes scary for me knowing what happened then.
    2. +3
      2 February 2022 20: 43
      Quote: Alexey Lantukh
      German turner, Russian and African (from bingo-bongu). Guess who's going to make better products without continuous quality control?

      And what makes you think that your guessing game will definitely put the German in the first place? Just because it's your understanding?
  17. +3
    2 February 2022 19: 39
    The unthinkable, the impossible are often the limits of our own intellectual barriers.
    . The unthinkable is to imagine that our new, comprador, basically, bourgeoisie will do more than they personally need.
    And the government, the political leadership of the country, for the most part serves precisely their interests!
    I won’t say that we ourselves are not to blame for this ... after all, we chose them ourselves!
    Question... what to do?
    They discussed, broke spears, more than once ... but things are still there.
    1. 0
      2 February 2022 19: 49
      There is only one option - first of all, to understand that we have stagnation. And that we will not get out of it by dividing society. The largest part of the society must UNDERSTAND and clearly adhere to a simple line - the line of request FOR BENEFIT. The economy is growing, demographics are growing, rights are expanding and laws that improve life and the business climate are coming out - we are developing. No, we are degrading. In this case, no support for the current exchange rate. When this reaches even the most cavemen, then changes will begin.
      1. +6
        2 February 2022 20: 09
        When it comes to all the "cavemen" that it is impossible to live like this, then it will begin ... in general, we have already gone through this!
        And so, from the side of the cave, I can say ... all the lies that pour on us from above and from all sorts of "advanced and progressive" will no longer find such nutritious soil as happened on the eve of the collapse of the USSR.
        I won’t say that the majority have grown wiser, they are simply EVIL without measure and if they finally wake up, it will not be fun for many, if not all.
        Personally, I will add, I am not a supporter of the "big bang", but there is a limit to everything.
        We don’t have ALL TOGETHER now, there are THEY against WE and someone else, don’t understand which one.
        PS on the ideas and the program that you bring up for discussion ... I won’t say that I agree with everything, but it’s normal, viable, but, unfortunately, not in our case ... because there is no faith for those who are at the top and fattening at the expense of others, everyone else.
  18. +1
    2 February 2022 19: 46
    Only one passage of the author First, effective growth, then the turnover of power For 21 years, the authorities have shown tremendous economic growth Well, we have a pleasant prospect of extending this growth until 2036 The author, why all these figures and facts, our future prospects are already clear
    1. -1
      2 February 2022 19: 56
      From 2000 to 2010 we doubled our GDP. They wouldn’t have doubled it yet, given that in the 90s we hit the bottom.
      From 2010 to 2020, we have grown +25% of the economy.
      With the indicators of 2021, in 21 years we have increased GDP by 2.2 times. Despite the fact that the main, overwhelming growth happened as much as 12 years ago. I recommend that you familiarize yourself with the trends for the same years in the countries around us - both in% and in numerical terms (1-2 articles of the cycle). You will see that for 10 (at least) years we have been growing inefficiently, and there are no trends for improvement. This is a long-term, established trend.
      1. -6
        2 February 2022 20: 16
        Russia had good growth in 2012 behind the backdrop of the economic crisis - but between 2012 and 2013, the growth of our economy fell by almost 4 times. During this period, two significant events took place, the replacement of the Minister of Economic Development Kudrin with Siluanov and Russia's accession to the WTO and in 2014 falling oil prices and the sanctions of the West.
        1. -1
          2 February 2022 20: 37
          "It feels" until 2012, everything was very good, although in 11 there were masses of dissatisfied people (more likely due to political stagnation, rather than because of the economy). From 2012 to 2014, we already had a plateau - after 2014 we already had a completely different (qualitatively worse) line of the state. Except for the fact that they stopped inflation in 2017 (sort of) and it was quite good for a couple of years (by our standards), I don’t see any pluses since 2014. In terms of GDP (PPP), from 2014 to 2020 we increased GDP by 200 billion dollars (well, very approximately + 5%). For 6 years.
          I understand - sanctions, pressure, everything. According to the indicators of 2021, "it seems like" there has been some kind of growth (+300 billion per year), but I have a lot of questions about this figure, because I personally hardly believe that the growing sanctions + the global recession due to Covid + the decline of my own the production of zi for COVID + tightening the screws somehow really "milked" a growth of + 7% from us compared to 2020.
      2. +2
        2 February 2022 20: 28
        Well, if we take the surrounding countries, I mean European ones, then it’s enough to compare the average salary and pension And just don’t need war songs about huge utility bills and huge prices in stores year reduced the number of poor people in Russia by applying a new calculation method So it is in everything I hope you understand the move
        1. -5
          3 February 2022 02: 19
          Rosstat counts the number of the poor according to official reports to the tax authorities, and employers often indicate 1-2 minimum wages in them, and no one knows how much workers really get in their hands and what third-party earnings they have - according to the crypt, they calculated that Russia has 12% of the world market 17 million miners with turnover of 16.5 trillion rubles and no control and taxes on these funds.
          1. -1
            3 February 2022 08: 44
            Before writing, you should familiarize yourself with the long-term method of assessing citizens and where are the words about tax officials
            1. -2
              4 February 2022 17: 31
              And how does this method of research reveal the real incomes of citizens for statistics?
  19. -1
    2 February 2022 19: 56
    Thanks to the author for the analytical review. Wonderful.
  20. +4
    2 February 2022 20: 35
    The state is always the people who inhabit and build it. Judging by the many comments on the series of articles by the author, people give up and do not believe in their country and do not want to change anything for the better. This can mean only one thing - with such an attitude, the country is doomed. No matter how you criticize, petrosian, denounced and admired, but the unwillingness to even think about how and what needs to be done for a better future for yourself, your children, except for stealing and living one day, leads and has always led to the degradation and collapse of the state and any the future for these same citizens, no matter how leavened patriotism they hide behind and no matter how frantically they wave their tricolors. With such an attitude, citizens, prepare only for the worst, since you don’t need the best.
  21. +3
    2 February 2022 20: 35
    The individual proposes, but the state disposes. Sometimes this pragmatism prevents a person from living. The peasant was the most pragmatic. He will never put money in the bank until he arranges his household. You can come up with different ideas, but life dictates its own. Either a natural disaster, or unplanned military maneuvers, or some kind of epidemic. And all these surprises require a lot of money. Of course, there are more rich billionaires in America. But if you count how much money has been exported over thirty years, then consider that we have invested in the West. We sell oil, but we look back at gasoline prices that exist abroad.
    1. +3
      2 February 2022 20: 46
      On this occasion, when I was looking for numbers, I was incredibly delivered by something that might not have been particularly noticed in the text, due to the abundance of numbers. I am quoting:
      4,95% ($25 billion) - mineral fuels, oil and products of their distillation

      This is the profit of the refineries of South Korea))) That's where there was no oil. Cunning guys buy crude oil, drive gasoline from it and sell it FOR EXPORT. For 25 billion dollars.
      For comparison, in 2020 we sold $141.7 billion worth of crude oil over the hill.
      This is an occasion to smile sadly. How much gasoline, kerosene, fuel oil could we sell, how much could we get out of this ...
      1. +2
        3 February 2022 05: 51
        This cannot be taken away from them. Developed countries are like powerful vacuum cleaners. They suck in any raw materials. And the output is finished products. But in this world there is fierce competition.
  22. +2
    2 February 2022 21: 31
    Quote: Keyser Soze
    "enemies of the communists" who themselves were communists stole the entire USSR to the nail
    With such logic, it also turns out that Judas Iscariot "was himself" an apostle of Christ .... and formally speaking, no worse than others ..... Yes ... ah ... ah ... In terms of understanding the meaning of the facts, our compatriots have always had problems.
  23. +11
    2 February 2022 21: 33
    Knell, there is no need to take 151 billion rubles from pensioners. Not later than today I read that some petty prosecutor near Moscow is being tried - either he is Tomenov, or somehow else on the "T". He stole exactly these same 151 billion rubles with accomplices. One petty prosecutor!
    You're looking for money in the wrong place, Knell, people won't understand you. Money from pensioners, in addition to your persistent desire to take it away and without you, will be taken away by the upcoming merger of the Pension Fund and the Social Insurance Fund into a single Social Fund - non-state! I emphasize this - non-state! That is, the state in relation to pensioners simply "washes its hands."
    There are no fools among site visitors. Everyone understands everything. And I have the impression that you are from the Duma party "New People". Naive dreamers gathered there, and this despite the fact that domestic politics are created by dirty cynics and rabid corrupt officials.
    1. -3
      2 February 2022 21: 57
      Lyudmila Yakovlevna, it's not about robbing grandparents - but about the fact that we have options for obtaining funds for modernization. I am only describing the mechanism - something can be reduced from it, something can be changed, something can be distributed more flexibly. Now, this will give us so much this, and so much that. If you get down to business well, then people from whom you can find 151 billion rubles under the floor will soon be transferred, and this money will be needed regularly. The same pensioners are just as interested in multiplying GDP as everyone else. If AT THE FIRST TIME these funds CAN be used for an effective start, they will pay off very quickly, including for pensioners. Conditional milk eggs in the store will cost less, the conditional cellar of the budget will grow - the numerical costs of medicine and pension payments will increase.
      1. +6
        2 February 2022 22: 33
        I have a serious suspicion that this money will simply be stolen, and no ends will be found.
        You better think about the prospects of what we are building. And we are building state capitalism. This is the framework within which you need to think. Because neither you nor I can change this reality. And this is a very dangerous fact. This is where it needs to be spelled out in more detail. What can be done within the boundaries of this reality? This was where it had to start.
        1. -3
          2 February 2022 22: 59
          Well, I think that nothing is being built here)) I already mentioned above - over 10 years (from 2010 to 2020) we have an economic growth of + 25% somewhere. We are pumping oil, laying new pipes - that's all our construction. It seems like some kind of revival in agriculture.
          This does not look like construction - and only with a big stretch can it be called "preparation for construction" (because of the NWF, which is either 11 trillion, or 13). I'm not that optimistic to call it that.
          In my opinion, we do not have a coherent state plan AT ALL. Neither capitalist, nor socialist, nor state-capitalist. So, some kind of situational convulsions with the accumulation of questions and money. This is not a plan - this is the expectation of a "fair wind" on a ship with hungry sailors. The numbers tell me that this wait has already dragged on for at least 8 years. The dynamics of the events that are taking place tells me that the same number of people in the same position will be unlikely.
          Therefore, something will need to be decided - SOME PLAN will be needed. Considering that in recent years I don’t remember any good plans “offhand”, I have skepticism about the existence of such, and even about the ability to formulate it. I don't see any signals indicating this process.
          Thus, I come to the conclusion that one way or another, this very given in the foreseeable future may cease to be such ANYWHERE. Either it will be forced to transform, or it will be transformed by some external events.
          1. -9
            3 February 2022 02: 29
            In Russia, they build a hell of a lot and more in all areas, but you must understand that these investments must pay off, and these are years and even 10 years or more, and only when the investments return and profits begin to flow, then the economy will begin to grow.
  24. -1
    2 February 2022 22: 09
    Dear author! I draw your attention to the fact that the implementation of the projects you cited in the USSR would be much less utopian than under capitalism. For example, on the construction of a cooperative house in the USSR, the state also made a profit. But the cost of an apartment of three rooms in 1980 for a consumer in large cities of the USSR was about 10 thousand rubles, which in order corresponds to 10 thousand dollars! From here you can see the efficiency of construction. BUT defeated the capitalist system. So in Russia it is absolutely not a matter of efficiency.
    And in what? We honor the evil comments of compatriots, where they severely condemn and stigmatize "stealing commies." With the same success in the 17th century, serfs, if they knew how to write, would condemn the master who did not keep his promises to "build Paradise in a single estate."
    As you can see, only the level of technical means has changed in Russia over 4 centuries, since it is set by developed countries, and even in Africa, shepherds have smartphones. Remaining the same semi-wild shepherds. And they live according to tribal customs, just like our "dear Russians" - they live according to the customs of the 17th century. Note that the legislation of the state in our country can be whatever you like - tsarist, Soviet, anti-Soviet. But it won't change anything!!!
    Hence the reason for the lag is clear; If a society is not capable of developing and the relations of people in it correspond to past centuries, no force will force it to conduct an efficient economy. After all, you wrote an article for the serfs of the 17th century. The fate of such a society is sealed. It is not even capable of its own reproduction!
    1. -2
      2 February 2022 22: 24
      You write very correctly, but some% of our society is, nevertheless, quite progressive (some may even be too laughing ) . The percentage of such people is growing very slowly, even taking into account the fact that they prefer emigration - breaking their foreheads against walls and doors here. In parallel with this, the percentage of people who are more cool about the current state of affairs is growing. These are people who have taken a wait-and-see attitude. There may come a moment when the "neutrals" will be in the majority, and the progressives will be a formed minority, comparable to the size of the social group supporting the government. In this case, I believe that it is POSSIBLE for us to form a party that will declare itself quite clearly.
      But, of course, such a party would need an idea - a good and sufficiently developed one, and most importantly, fresh and compromise. And, of course, there are no guarantees that even such a party would not be "strangled". However, this is quite a path. Too bad it's very long..
      1. +1
        3 February 2022 15: 01
        Quote: Knell Wardenheart
        In this case, I believe that it is POSSIBLE for us to form a party that will declare itself quite clearly .... the idea is a good and well-developed, and most importantly, fresh and compromise.

        Please list the parliamentary parties that exist in the Russian Federation and name what specifically in the programs or charters of these parties does not suit you. Perhaps it is not difficult to formulate it briefly.
        So far, I have not read anything on this subject, except for statements like "they are such that.. ...they want....they do not...they do....".. I ask in advance for such "arguments" do not push) Or maybe just the EP is the right and necessary party for the people, but the people, due to a misunderstanding, do not want to join en masse and help it?
        Then the meaning of the words about a good and fresh idea will become better understood.
        (The epithet "fresh" hurts the eye somewhat, since it should be primarily useful active sections of society that put forward it.)
        You see, the commentator "ivan2022" correctly noted that in our society even "stale ideas" such as Christianity or communism remained completely misunderstood. In our mass consciousness they are replaced by monstrous "quasi-epics", far from the original. .The main thing ; ideas should not be invented by special inventors. They must come from the people. For example, the idea of ​​the "dictatorship of the proletariat" came out of the experience of the German Revolution of 1848 and the French Paris Commune of 1871. No one invented it in the cabinet.
        1. 0
          3 February 2022 18: 13
          Please list the parliamentary parties that exist in the Russian Federation and name what specifically in the programs or charters of these parties does not suit you. Perhaps it is not difficult to formulate it briefly.

          The charter can be ideal - I am not satisfied with the attitude of parliamentary parties to the development and updating of their ideas. This morning I was walking through the store and among the cologne and deodorants I saw something completely anomalous looking in this row - it was a triple cologne with some name in the title. He seemed to be brought to that shelf by an stray time traveler who decided to entrust the development of the style "a la Soviet 70s". Deodorants and colognes played by the rules around - and this particular one proudly stood and waited for the Connoisseur to buy it. There were few connoisseurs.
          The thing is that our parliamentary parties are like that cologne. They are stuck in some time, already completely divorced from the present. We got stuck on personalities, on charters and programs, on the perception of things, on rhetoric against voters, etc. The Liberal Democratic Party symbolizes this "antico" line of the 1989-1996 model, the Communist Party of the Russian Federation symbolizes its line from the Nativity of Christ - with workers in overalls, rosy-cheeked milkmaids and popular print capitalists in tailcoats. EdRo is, in fact, as it was, and remains a conceptual spin-off from the pro-government homunculi of the 1990s. Etc. They may have absolutely correct things written in their statutes, but this is just as cunning as the fact that our president says absolutely correct things at every forum. Already like 20 years. But nothing changes.)
    2. -2
      3 February 2022 12: 35
      the implementation of the projects you cited in the USSR would be much less utopian than under capitalism. For example, the state also made a profit on the construction of a cooperative house in the USSR. But the cost of an apartment of three rooms in 1980 for a consumer in large cities of the USSR was about 10 thousand rubles, which in order corresponds to 10 thousand dollars! From here you can see the efficiency of construction. BUT defeated the capitalist system.

      You mentioned a very important point, so I'll expand a bit.
      In my opinion (and this is an extreme simplification), the USSR model could well be viable and even super-efficient IF the forces that we spent outside would work to a greater extent for our benefit. If only we could learn how to make a profit and occupy markets in those areas where we had conditional parity or approximate comparability with Western ones. If, finally, we expanded the freedom of activity within the country for those people who could create a product that society needs. We could well make these advances and organically fit them into the state line - but WE PREFERRED DOGMATICS. And any dogmatist is like a pawn in comparison with other chess pieces - he is limited in freedom of action, he is predictable, the result of his activity can often be calculated and preempted, obstructing him and controlling him through this. The West defeated us in the XV because it was much more flexible than we are. Now I think that it is irrational to rebuild society under the "left model" - it will be a very energy-consuming transition associated with huge damage, which we most likely will not withstand. If this could happen by a wave of a magic wand - of course, large-scale projects would be much more convenient to build in the comm.-administrative system. It is true that it is much more difficult to manage and develop them in it. Admin comm. the system concentrates resources well, but does not replicate them very efficiently and does not manage them very efficiently. I mean not a "deeply theoretical comm.-adm. system" but the one that was. You have given me excellent food for thought, Ivan, perhaps even for the next article. Thanks !
  25. +2
    2 February 2022 22: 32
    I am now like this, offhand on the theses and my comments from the last article:

    “... the author cynically takes 2 rubles from workers and 300 rubles from poor pensioners ...”


    I already wrote to the author that his goal of 2 trillion extortions a year is perfectly covered by the national budget. projects and budget surpluses. No one needs to take anything.

    ... why populate the Far East, what will all these people do ...


    Again, the whole article is about mines, mines, the economy of Sweden, Norway, and so on in the spirit - why don't we organize this here. Only there is no one to organize, except for the state, and it will overstrain. In order for private investments to flow into the country for projects such as rental, electronics, deep processing of resources, first of all, you need confidence that they will not be taken away, and if anything, you can be guaranteed 10 times more sued from the same state if it is grumpy. And not in the Stockholm Arbitration and collect 20 years through arrests of sailboats, but right here, in the civil court of Nakhodka, for example. And secondly, we need a good, even excellent infrastructure, connectivity of remote areas with borders, ports, and railways. We need roads, bridges, airports, hotels, restaurants, shops, hospitals, schools, etc. No one except the state will ever deal with infrastructure. Our state’s belly button on the BAM was torn, in fact, one road from Khabarovsk to Krasnoyarsk itself (4000 kilometers) without any related infrastructure, there is practically no way to get to Kamchatka by land, a railway with a meager capacity.

    ... how can the state guarantee an unshakable line? This is a property of exclusively authoritarian systems...


    The state should not guarantee an unshakable line, this is the property of authoritarian systems, everyone told you correctly. The state develops and sets red flags and itself undertakes to follow them. Only it does this not out of the blue, but with a public dialogue and consultations with business. It is, so to speak, a self-regulating system. And what you propose is when the state stands above everyone and urges people to multiply, and business to build infrastructure, go to the Far East and build factories there, and then use this business to bend neighboring countries.

    ...Most loans will be non-refundable. All infrastructure projects are unprofitable...


    Those projects that are offered to you within the program of the population of the Far East will be completely unprofitable. Take China as an example, I know everyone admires it, but it's very interesting. In the 200s, China started building super-high-speed railroads. They built quickly, correctly calculated, introduced several branches between superpopulated megacities with a total length of the branch up to 700 kilometers. In 2008, the crisis hit (from America, of course), but China decided that the time had come to invest in infrastructure on a large scale and began to rivet these roads like crazy. As a result, we built a lot of branches, connected small cities / provinces, and by today, more than half of the unprofitable ones + have collected debts of 800 billion for construction ...

    It can be profitable to build a railway from Moscow to St. Petersburg, a toll road in the Moscow region is profitable. To stretch the line from Khabarovsk to Petropavlovsk-Kamchatsky - when will such a megaproject pay off?

    ...won't the rapid growth of demographics be destructive, from the point of view that marginal strata of society will multiply in a significant part?


    This is just my comment. China has been lucky with Dian Xiaoping's reforms and the massive influx of foreign investment and the relocation of unskilled manufacturing. They achieved this by practically permissiveness for business, in fact, by the absence of social services. package and actually slave labor of internal migrants. Once again, I recommend that you read about the demographics and the structure of the population's involvement in labor activity and you will understand a little why this is bad for Russia, why it will not work in Russia and why they write such comments to you.

    ...why should businesses get involved in the government's plan?


    The value of any information for a business lies precisely in the fact that a competitor does not have it. In your paradigm, the state either creates niche monopolists, or levels the value of information by public access. Again, you are overestimating how much time and resources a business spends on long-term planning.

    ...what is the interest of rich people in this whole project? They are all right with it...


    I'm sorry, do you think that our oligarchs have state interests or are they worried about the decline of today's enterprises? That is why no one takes your articles seriously. You would also call Kadyrov a statesman.

    Finale


    Here I agree with you. The potential in our country is both human and resource. There are plenty of opportunities for investment, development and innovation. Only the state has no place in all this, and especially the one we have now or the one you are proposing.
    1. -2
      3 February 2022 00: 53
      The value of any information for a business lies precisely in the fact that a competitor does not have it. In your paradigm, the state either creates niche monopolists, or levels the value of information by public access. Again, you are overestimating how much time and resources a business spends on long-term planning.

      There will certainly be monopolists. However, there are plenty of niches - a small group of monopolists will not be able to cover everything with the same efficiency. This, in turn, will create a forge of brands - having developed in niches, they will try to expand to adjacent and / or outside. Competition is always in the hands of the consumer.
      The availability of information needed to conduct business is good. In fact, it is still available - but its quality is low, as is the quality of its interpretation. Serious foreign firms study the markets and sell this information to their (or others') residents. There is someone to sell it there. And in our case, these "buyers" still need to be nurtured.

      I'm sorry, do you think that our oligarchs have state interests or are they worried about the decline of today's enterprises?

      No, of course not. They carry the resources of a bird in their beak, like Elijah the Prophet. They will not take their "rocking chair" anywhere. All nickel and aluminum. At least they are interested in stability with a "+" sign.
      Only the state has no place in all this

      In this case, the moneybags will have a place, as it was under power in a "weak state" in the 90s. And things will get worse. A very good example at our side is Ukraine. And potential, and human, and resource. And the state is weak, not oppressive, like ours. One problem - someone managed to grab, and someone did not. But since the state is weak, there was no one to clean it up, and there was no plan how to use it either. And we have what we have. In our case, we have a strong state but without a plan. To bully is easy, to crush, to take away, we can. But then what? But nothing.

      Formulate how all this should be combined, in a magical way, so that the state is "tender as a lamb" and the bourgeoisie does not run away with money, and that's all
      The potential in our country is both human and resource. There are plenty of opportunities for investment, development and innovation.
      blossomed and smelled. From the position we are in now. Even without the question of "coming to power." That's just how you are without building up the state. control, you can put it all in order. Funds extract the same.
      1. +1
        3 February 2022 04: 00
        There will certainly be monopolists. However, there are plenty of niches - a small group of monopolists will not be able to cover everything with the same efficiency. This, in turn, will create a forge of brands - having developed in niches, they will try to expand to adjacent and / or outside. Competition is always in the hands of the consumer.


        All over the world, the ultimate goal of business is to become a monopoly. And all over the world, the task of the state is to fight this, because everyone knows perfectly well how it usually ends. You, on the other hand, intend to grow monopolies on purpose and expect them to be socially conscious and will grow some brands and compete for the consumer.

        The availability of information needed to conduct business is good. In fact, it is still available - but its quality is low, as is the quality of its interpretation. Serious foreign firms study the markets and sell this information to their (or others') residents. There is someone to sell it there. And in our case, these "buyers" still need to be nurtured.


        Well, it's finally starting to get to you. Information is not distributed free of charge, because publicly available information is of little use for business, and for the state it is generally harmful. The existing information is sufficient and the quality of its interpretation is many times better than anything that the state can provide. Outside of standard statistics and regulatory trends, normal business (not tied to the implementation of budget or defense orders) does not need any consultations or analyzes from the state.

        No, of course not. They carry the resources of a bird in their beak, like Elijah the Prophet. They will not take their "rocking chair" anywhere. All nickel and aluminum. At least they are interested in stability with a "+" sign.


        Well, ok, tell us what your state can offer Mordashov or Potanin to increase their fortune, for example, by 2 times? So far, you are offering them to invest in the construction of infrastructure and houses in the Far East. Well, ok, let's say the state invests in the construction of houses from the magic fund and builds Mordashov's structures of 1000 houses in the taiga near Ussuriysk for 300 million rubles each. And the state will pay this Mordashov 350 million rubles for the built house. Boom - 50 billion rubles, personally Mordashov in his pocket, that is, less than 1 billion dollars. And now let’s remember that he, without doing anything, earned $2021 billion in 16 due to the growth of Severstal shares. You see, not because Severstal began to produce more, but simply because the share price has grown. Tomorrow the share price will fall and he will have not 30 billion, but 5 billion. Do you think he will have a desire to build thousands of houses in the taiga?

        In this case, the moneybags will have a place, as it was under power in a "weak state" in the 90s.


        I may say a seditious thing, but the 90s was a necessary stage in the development of the state and Ukraine is going through the same thing for the second time and our country will go through this, if not fall apart. Yes, there may be another way, the model of China or the GDR, or the Baltic states, but we have no other way and will not. And we almost went through it, yes, through blood, yes through suffering, but in the early 200s there was a chance, but thanks to the strategist, we turned back. And instead of developing institutions of governance, normal regulators, a normal legal system, they bent the whole country in favor of a "strong hand." And now there are almost no chances, there are already two examples of "greatness" in the country - Stalin and Putin. Any reforms and attempts to build a state will be shattered by hopes to return either Stalin's or Putin's times.

        In our case, we have a strong state but without a plan. To bully is easy, to crush, to take away, we can. But then what? But nothing.


        You are absolutely right. And you offer the same thing, only instead of Putin and Co. you need to put noble people with ideas. But this only works in movies and games... Even in China, growth was due to the fact that the state did not regulate business at all for almost 30 years. To such an extent that officials were shot for bribes to officials, but they did not touch the business in any way.

        Formulate how all this should be combined, in a magical way, so that the state is "tender as a lamb" and the bourgeoisie does not run away with money, and that's all


        I repeat once again, there is no magic way, except for the turning point, the new 90s, and the possible impoverishment of the population. First of all, the reform and absolute independence of the courts, coupled with strict mechanisms for the execution of sentences - at least invite judges from abroad and transfer all special forces to bailiffs. Cancellation of immunity for everyone except diplomats. Right there, on the one hand, it will not work to put some Navalny in jail. On the other hand, some minority shareholder will be able to obtain the disclosure of funds for the construction of the palace in Gelendzhik from public companies such as Gazprom and Rosneft (these will not come out of the courts at all until they become transparent, like a baby's tear). For insulting the feelings of believers, not only Pussy Riot will be imprisoned, but also Lisa Peskova, for example. The Kadyrovs and Delimkhanovs will be imprisoned for threatening representatives of the authorities, as well as inciting hatred. Yes, of course, Khodorkovsky will come and sue billions, but what can you do. Yes, you will have to give up Crimea and pay compensation, but then you can put the same Shoigu in jail for non-payment of taxes. That's when half of the deputies, officials, security officials, "businessmen" go to jail, some for tax evasion, some for bribes, some for insulting and inciting - you can carry out the next reform and finally take up legislation, elect only on individual mandates, introduce real local self-government, weaken central executive power, and it is better to introduce a parliamentary republic altogether. At a minimum, roll back all Putin's watered. reforms, plenipotentiaries, remove loopholes like 2 terms in a row, etc. Yes, of course there will be kings and conflicts - but the court will judge. And then, in the Duma, there will be people who aspire to go there not for status, but from principles and laws that are not stupid, because you yourself can fall under such a law. I don’t know about you, but I still remember how political life was seething in the 90s, even in some “Brigade” this is reflected perfectly. Now this is a banal list - you look in, and there is Shoigu, Lavrov, Protsenko, etc. And for the single-mandate, too, his own, Edros. You vote for them, but they are not going to the Duma - they would have to sue the whole party ... And we have no one to compete with in business, our business and production are not of that level, we need to attract production and services to us, in every possible way to subsidize and fight for investments. And it is necessary to invest in new generations - to find and send talented children, teenagers, students abroad, to pay for education, accommodation, internships in advanced countries. Only without conditions and working off any - just like that. Some will stay there, but I am absolutely sure that the majority will return to a state where your rights are protected, and therefore your business is also protected. And this is not a plan for 10-20 years, but for 40-50 years, until the generation changes in our country and in them, and everyone will be sure that this will be for a long time.

        I understand that I would like to immediately take and increase GDP three times, women give birth three times more, everyone would be healthy and beautiful, and all over the world would consider and respect us. Yes, but there are no such recipes, neither the state nor the people work like that. You can strengthen state control as much as you like, but this control does not correlate with the growth of the economy or entrepreneurial activity. Yes, there are anomalies, such as Singapore or Saudi Arabia, but we are not among them, our fate is through snot and blood, knocking down the skin, falling and overcoming ...
    2. -2
      3 February 2022 02: 40
      To stretch the line from Khabarovsk to Petropavlovsk-Kamchatsky - when will such a megaproject pay off? If minerals, metals, oil, gas and other raw materials are found near this proposed road along its entire length and mining and processing plants are built, then the payback of the project will take a maximum of 20-25 years.
  26. +3
    3 February 2022 01: 57
    The author writes:
    "The peoples around us have made their strides towards a good life - do we want to make our own?".
    We definitely want to!
    We want to live today, not tomorrow, in the wonderful world that central television fed us with.
    Just look at those countries that made a breakthrough, if they started to do it under our conditions, with our obscurantist leaders who daily ruin the people in all possible ways, starting with raising the retirement age, with a swollen NWF (one of the functions of which is providing citizens with pensions), and ending with the importation of hordes of illegal Turkestanis, who take away work from pre-pensioners and ordinary citizens.
    In no country in the world, the government dislikes the people as much as we do. Raising themselves by tens of thousands of ₽ and so not a small content, the members of the Federation Council and the deputy are fighting for every ruble additionally accrued to impoverished Russian pensioners.
    They live in their reality, not realizing that it is a shame to live like this. The heads of large corporations in the West and Japan distributed their annual bonuses to employees to support them in difficult, crisis years.
    In our state, pensions are "finished indexed" for pensioners only under fear of being torn to pieces by a hungry crowd (this is how the echo of the Kazakh pogroms worked).
    It is a pity that there were victims, but if there were none, then all our pensioners would be grateful for any bloodless rebellion outside of Russia, if after it, the compressed sphincters of officials would force them to raise the miserable pensions of our citizens.
  27. +6
    3 February 2022 02: 26
    The author needs to try himself in the extraction of coal, gas, oil or gold. Many are much smarter - there are so many bullshit on Russian TV. And the number of people who are ready to physically work tends to zero. When a miner earns less in a 12-hour shift than a courier - a guest worker in Moscow, the question arises: Why go to the mine, when you can ... Why does the kid get to the machine or go down into the pit if you can indulge in some crap in front of the camera and on YouTube spread. The problem is systemic and it will have to be solved specifically. Much of what has been formed over the past thirty years will have to be broken. Can we do that is the question.
  28. +5
    3 February 2022 03: 29
    Alas.
    For some reason, the author decided that those who do not agree with his ideas "actually admit that you have surrendered as patriotic, creative and intellectual forces. In this case, your jingoistic demagoguery is worthless, gentlemen!"
    Let's analyze his answers on the merits (in part, my objections regarding)
    1. “... the author cynically takes 2 rubles from workers and 300 rubles from poor pensioners ...” - my objections boiled down to the fact that yes, this is not good.
    And this will have a bad effect on both the demographic situation and consumer demand. But the main argument was that even for the author’s plans, the state has money and the author was given 2 capsules, in which there is more money than the author needs. Moreover, we did not even consider such original money boxes as "profits and expenses of companies with state participation."
    My statement is that the state has more money than the author needs, and there is no need to "scratch pennies" (I really dislike this expression). not refuted.

    Moreover, in the comments, the author asked the right question: "If everything is as cool as you write, why don't we see emergency measures for quite tangible problems?" The answer to this question, I hope, the author will find (or has already found) himself.

    3. “...look at Europe and China, their population is stagnating, read about some kind of demographic transition there ... Not so long ago there was news that the net population decline in 2021 in the Russian Federation amounted to more than 1 million people. No, ladies and gentlemen, "demographic transition" has absolutely nothing to do with it. I have already unsubscribed about the reasons for the decline in the population (which was suddenly relieved by the fate of the Pension Fund).

    Regarding the "demographic transition" and the fall in the birth rate. The topic is very large, so it will have to be thesis. At a certain stage, it is beneficial for people living in the village / engaged in cattle breeding on pastures to have many children, because from an early age a child can help, for a child (for example, in the Republic of Ingushetia), the community gave the family an allotment. The power of the head of the family over the child is unlimited, moreover, it is customary to keep the aged head of the family at the very least, but to support it.
    After a person moves to the city, the child suddenly turns out to be an object of care and expenses, not income: there is little work for the child in the city, plus there are prohibitions on hiring a child for work, plus there are norms when not only him will lose, but it’s not sickly to sit down in jail like that. And there is no need to live with a large family "with allotment" - children, as a rule, after 16-18-25 years old do not live with their parents, but leave and the option "children are a support in old age" somehow no longer works.
    Moreover, for a man physiologically the birth of children is a pleasant process. For a woman - 9 months of not feeling very well. And socially - falling out of a career, at least for several months, if not years; lifestyle change from "do what I want" to "where to sleep." For a well-earned woman to start having three children means a significant loss of income and an increase in expenses. So "think for yourself, decide for yourself ...". This is despite the fact that even a family now - in the sense of a marriage record - is also not an obligatory event, many live "without painting", although according to social services. surveys of women in marriage in the Russian Federation are consistently more than men.
    So until it is socially acceptable to give birth even without a "husband in the passport", from the age of 16 and a lot, parents (those same "pennies") will take on part of the care for their grandchildren, issues of kindergartens, clinics and housing will be less acute, and the income of the parent will grow - that's when the norm "3 or more children per family" will appear.

    "The key to the stability of the political line is effective growth, first of all, and secondly, it is political turnover within the system, not closed to any personalities. Some professionals replace other professionals - contributing to the line of development.
    To draw up a quality plan and ensure the stay of professionals in power is the key to stability." - why this does not work, and in our conditions it may end in the collapse of the state, it will not be possible to describe in thesis, here it is better to read on the topic from "3 Worlds in 1" by Lee Kuan Yew and read a lot.We like to quote him, for example here: https://topwar.ru/71484-li-kuan-yu-russkie-ne-te-kogo-mozhno-vybrosit-na-svalku-istorii.html, but it is better to read his books in full, the accents are slightly different there.
  29. +3
    3 February 2022 07: 04

    And although many of us are not at all impressed by super-rich people, it must be admitted that in the matter of the country's economic growth, the interests of these people should objectively coincide with ours.
    It was "very convincing"...

  30. +1
    3 February 2022 10: 09

    Comments on the previous article indicated that I was probably not as persuasive as I would have liked.

    If the entire series of articles was convincing enough or more or less convincing, then the last article is mostly not convincing.
    What are your main pragmatic tasks in the series of these articles?
    It is more or less thesis to create an ideology and attract reasonable people to your movement.
    Ideology consists of "why" - the present position, "what is necessary" - the image of the future and "how to do" - methods of action. With "why" everything is correct. The image of the future needs to be clarified and improved. The biggest and most insurmountable problems are in the methods of action.
    These problems are divided into two parts. Where to get money and how to use it. You propose to take money from people, and voluntarily.
    You do not know or do not understand the sociology of modern Russian society, unfortunately. Not one reasonable person will go to the people with such a proposal, because he perfectly understands the sharply negative response. People have been deceived many times lately. That's why people don't trust anyone.
    Until this stone is removed from the road, you will remain with the theory, but completely without "infantry", that is, without supporters of the movement.
    1. -1
      3 February 2022 11: 38
      You do not know or do not understand the sociology of modern Russian society, unfortunately.

      I see a sufficient number of patriots tearing their vests in endless tormenting the depravity of the current situation. It's good - it's LIKE indifference. Then I look - what paralyzes their useful activity? Why, year after year, the elections are won by the power behind which there are so hated SO MUCH AS to the hosts of these people super-rich people? Why did the conditional communists from 1996 begin to receive three times less% in elections and almost three times less seats in the State Duma? Why are new, fresh party movements not being formed - or why are existing movements not being transformed from within? Here is specifically, under this request. Under the request of a jerk to a good life.
      All this is a lot of questions. Starting to dig them, we come to the conclusion that our jingoistic patriots for the most part are lazy dogmatists and critics. For a long time now they have no thoughts beyond the "clip thinking" about how everything should be organized. Even close. But this is not the worst - unfortunately they, at the same time, have REPRESENTATIONS. Here, in these ideas there are a lot of frank illusions - about bourgeois sadists (and all of them without exception, about "dispossession of kulaks", about some kind of gigantic money that we have stored in treasuries in some way and are waiting in the wings when the worker comes and people also illusory believe in the life-giving power of leftist ideas, completely ignoring the fact that while leftist ideas were more or less established, the country irretrievably lost at least 5 million people (in the Civil War), in the difficult years of dispossession and industrialization - more God knows how much, in the "great terror" - God knows how much more.
      Then, after 50 years from the moment everything "conditionally" subsided, the communists themselves handed over the third economy of the world - first to the gerontocrats, then to Gorbachev, and then to the West - with giblets.
      From the consequences of this, we have lost how many millions more for migration and natural decline. Both in the Russian Federation and in the former USSR from Russian-speaking citizens. That's all you need to know about this life-giving force.
      You see, the funny thing is that in spite of this damage, a number of people in society are really hungry for it to return. There is a dissonance - on the one hand, people want "torture! more torture and deprivation!" , on the other hand, they are flattened like hell by the thought that they will have to "give" 2 thousand rubles from their salary for development.
      People have been deceived many times lately. That's why people don't trust anyone.

      Oh, it's good for health. My task is to identify the problem and indicate solutions "as I see them." If the "people" like to sadly procrastinate, then such a people. So this is the answer to what awaits us as a civilization.
      The path is quite real, but, of course, in need of improvement. At the moment, I see a lot of people who want to get to the bottom of the details, but there is no one who wants to refine it - there is no constructive) Perhaps he is not needed - it's so cool to sit and wait for everything to "somehow happen by itself" and most importantly go in a positive direction - instead of disintegration.
      1. +2
        3 February 2022 18: 09
        “I see a sufficient number of patriots tearing their vests…”
        ----------------------
        Famously you write comments on the text page.
        But let's get back to our um... let's get back to sociology in general.
        I see 95 or 99% of the population understand nothing or almost nothing about the situation. Moreover, a significant part of them with littered consciousness. These are the masses with whom the leader of any movement will have to communicate directly or through his supporters.
        How Lenin in January 1917 had 10 of his supporters throughout Russia, and often not connected with each other.

        “Why, year after year, the elections are won by the power behind which are so hated SO MUCH AS a host of these people are super-rich people?”
        ----------------------------
        1 Political illiteracy of the masses.
        2 Manipulation of consciousness.
        3 Media control
        4 Almost a ban on alternative information.
        5 Fraud in the elections. And etc.

        "Why are there no new, fresh party movements..."
        -----------------------------
        1 The actual ban on the creation of parties in the period 2000-2011
        2 Political illiteracy of the masses.
        3 Discrediting the entire political process through the media.
        4 The defeat of individual parties ("Motherland" for example).
        5 Persecution of party leaders and members.
        6 Creation of batches of fakes.
        7 The complexity of the process itself, etc.

        "My task is to identify the problem and indicate solutions "as I see them."
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        The task of any movement is not only “to identify the problem and indicate solutions”, but also to teach the people this, understand and accept it as their goal.

        “but there are no people who want to refine it - there is no constructive”
        -----------------------------
        I gave you a constructive idea in the form of a change in the source of funding for the project.
        If you have read. I repeat. Instead of collecting from the population, make efficient use of budgetary and accumulated funds.
        1. -1
          3 February 2022 18: 29
          but also to teach people this, and understand and accept it as their goal

          Let's go back to your points:
          1) Political illiteracy of the masses
          2) Discrediting the entire political process through the media
          3) Creation of batches of fakes
          4) The complexity of the process itself, etc.
          5) Persecution of party leaders and members
          6) Media Control

          In such conditions, to teach someone (and we have it frankly, not ideal people for teaching even in ideal conditions) is an unrealistic task. Here, either people themselves choose and develop the idea further, involve supporters in it and distribute it - or everything stands still and does not move anywhere. By analogy with "samizdat", in short.

          I gave you a constructive idea in the form of a change in the source of funding for the project.
          If you have read. I repeat. Instead of collecting from the population, make efficient use of budgetary and accumulated funds.

          As noted in previous articles, we are extremely limited in time. And consequently, the extraction of smaller funds further delays this time. In the article, I indicated the approximate costs of housing construction. Even this, unfortunately, is a drop in the ocean. Someone mentioned "FNB" in the comments - well, great. FNB is about 35 houses. That is - housing for about 000 million person-families. Total. And this is, in fact, 2.5/6 of our budget for 10. I mean, big money.
          Without extracting funds commensurate with our budget, we may not even start, because this dynamic will drag on with snot until the end of the 21st century. We need a breakthrough - we got up and ran, gaining kinetic energy. There are no other options - other options MAY support this one, the main one. But they cannot act as the main one.
    2. 0
      3 February 2022 12: 17
      What are your main pragmatic tasks in the series of these articles?

      Understand "how deep the rabbit hole" and, depending on this, make a forecast for yourself of what awaits us in the foreseeable future. So far, this is a very pessimistic forecast. I not only practically do not see healthy and constructive forces, I do not see a unifying and creative beginning, I do not see the ability for dialogue and perception. All I see is "as is" the parable of the Tower of Babel - people began to speak different languages.
  31. 0
    3 February 2022 10: 34
    Every rich person is interested in increasing his wealth, in a stable existence that guarantees the security of his profits and investments.

    In Russia, every very rich person does not even think about increasing his wealth, but about the fact that, God forbid, others do not become rich, because they need to dominate. No production can be compared in profitability and effort with the extraction and sale of raw materials, but production has too great prospects. Therefore, they will crush any production or simply sell their shares to foreigners, thereby making the development of the country dependent on foreign capital.
    1. 0
      3 February 2022 11: 43
      You see, the Japanese economy, the German economy, the South Korean economy, even the British economy would not agree with you.
      This one
      Therefore, they will crush any production or simply sell their shares to foreigners, thereby making the development of the country dependent on foreign capital.
      there in the mass did not happen, on the contrary, GDP grew year by year.
      Our ideas about how things work are wrong. Their - more correspond to the real. We should study their patterns.
      1. +2
        3 February 2022 12: 57
        The Japanese, South Korean and German economies are export-dependent, whether you like it or not, you have to work to gain respect (recognition as a dominant individual) laughing . British ... 65 million people live on taxes collected in New Zealand, Australia, Canada, as well as from the issue of a currency called the pound sterling ... We have 30 percent of GDP is oil, gas and other ... spare parts of the Motherland. But you did not understand my message, Vladimir. The engine of our economy is the instinct to dominate those in power, like in a herd of monkeys! Yes Yes! exactly. Because the symbols of dominance imposed on our society are there - luxury, children in Oxford, doing nothing, a mansion in London, a yacht, and parties in Malibu ...
        1. -1
          3 February 2022 13: 05
          The engine of our economy is the instinct to dominate those in power, like in a herd of monkeys!

          The United States also went through a similar design, and in part it remained with them. It is possible to "rule" laws. The relationship between super-rich people also often holds a compromise - somewhere in the comments above they noted the success of the "expra" through the example of the suppression by the state of Gusinsky, Khodorkovsky, Berezovsky. These were people who crossed all boundaries in their instinct of dominance) And with the unspoken non-resistance of other super-rich people, they were "pressed". Only I would not interpret this mechanism as a "suitable mechanism for expra" - but it can be interpreted much more usefully - it is a suitable mechanism in terms of using contradictions by the state to benefit. This is exactly what I am talking about - it is possible to create conditions in which super-rich people will work for the benefit of the state, and not against it. But here you need to think and not to lump all these "bourgeois" into one stinking pile.
          1. +2
            3 February 2022 13: 40
            Quote: Knell Wardenheart
            and not to lump all these "bourgeois" into one fetid heap.

            these piles usually float to the top and are called "Elites" laughing ... That is, Money merges with Power and finds a compromise with the Absolute Power of our planet - the Banking system. And the people are appointed to be patient.
            Your numbers show that there is enough money. Question - how to force the Power to change priorities? so that not by war but by the system?
            1. -1
              3 February 2022 13: 45
              I believe that by convincing a significant proportion of people, we would have convinced a significant part of the authorities. Here at least an organized minority is needed. It is necessary to form an idea that would seem objectively attractive at least to him - and would have the potential to seem attractive to a significant part of the neutral majority. Without this, it is impossible, in my opinion, to move on, because the potential will be completely incomparable.
              1. +2
                3 February 2022 14: 41
                Quote: Knell Wardenheart
                I believe that by convincing a significant proportion of people, we would have convinced a significant part of the authorities. Here at least an organized minority is needed.

                You are very idealistic. Our minority is already organized and owns most of Russia's wealth. Personally, I always go to the polls and have never voted for the EP. Not everyone I talked to voted for them, none of my acquaintances and acquaintances of acquaintances. They win, however, judging by the statistics, by a significant margin. Here, you need to understand, it is useful to remember about lies, big lies, and, statistics, more, about the fact that it is important not how they vote, but how they count ...

                Secondly, you completely do not take into account the fact that the world has long been under transnational monopolies and a clan of world ghouls of super billionaires. No one will allow Russia to become rich and happy while it is in capitalism, under the masters of which all laws and rules are invented.
                If you want to be independent from world capitalism, you need to revive another pole of power. Hoping to build some kind of "parallel capitalism" in Russia, to make our fellow oligarchs white and fluffy for the people, this is no longer idealism, but utopia. Our government is dependent on the West, our Central Bank is under the IMF, the economy is under the WTO and transnational monopolies, our "elite" keeps its treasure, "acquired by overwork" in foreign banks and foreign currency. All the pouting, all the cam shows to the West, to raise the ratings and mutually make money on ostentatious "butting".

                Understand that for the West, the enemy is not our henpecked oligarch brothers, but the residual potential from the Soviet Union, so far Russia is the only country that can guarantee the destruction of the United States. This is a problem both for the West and for their servants in Russia (you can't immediately give up, in the name of peace, humanism, tolerance, and billions of dollars in bank accounts in the West). Therefore, on the one hand, sanctions, on the other hand, reductions and optimization of our healthcare, education and science, our great heritage from a superpower. So they "optimize", cutting off "extra fingers", until the Russian industry becomes a complete invalid, they sell raw materials and Soviet military-technical developments, simultaneously sawing the budget.

                Unfortunately, everything will be decided not by elections, and not by leaving the "rabbit holes", everything will be decided by a dashing time, when it will no longer be possible to deceive and hide one's essence before the people. A great country can become by changing the social system, the rotten morality of consumers, getting out of the dependence of someone else's pole of power. Capitalism already has its own world leader and master, and this is not Russia with the rest of the economic and political colonial countries at the base of its pyramid.
                1. +1
                  3 February 2022 15: 01
                  Quote: Per se.
                  everything will be decided by a dashing year

                  that is war! in general, the author sends this comment to me ... we have been nibbling on this topic for a long time ..
                  The meaning of his message is that in our country there is one person who can influence all the formed structures for draining money. This person is called the average Russian. And he must know where he is going ... We are discussing how to form the needs and consciousness of this person
                2. -1
                  3 February 2022 18: 02
                  Our minority is already organized and owns most of the wealth of Russia

                  It is incorrect to call this number even a minority. 103 + - people or families owning more than a billion dollars each (Forbes 200 list). Suppose that in reality this number is three times more.
                  Do you see some kind of super-organization in this environment? I do not see. The organization of these people is not enough even to "renew the facade."

                  You absolutely do not take into account the fact that the world has long been under transnational monopolies and a clan of world ghouls of super billionaires

                  I absolutely disagree with you. Look at the list of foreign billionaires - there are enough nouveaux riches from China, South Korea, Turkey, India. After reading about each of them, in practice, you will see that these fortunes have been acquired over the past 20 years.

                  If you want to be independent from world capitalism, you need to revive another pole of power

                  This is a utopia - we do not have enough people and they are not educated enough to support all technological cycles inside at the international level. And this means a technological lag.

                  Understand that for the West, the enemy is not our henpecked oligarch brothers, but the residual potential from the Soviet Union

                  For the West, we are a louse with nuclear weapons, which jumps back and forth according to his plan. We are not even a competitor, we are a nasty insect that creates inconvenience. They only need resources from us - and we sell more than . Unfortunately, problems are attached to this - but these are nothing more than inconveniences. Economically and geopolitically, we are not a competitor.

                  Until now, Russia is the only country that can guarantee the destruction of the United States

                  And it is also a country that can guarantee the destruction of Russia itself. After all, even before that, the USSR self-destructed by attaching the ATS. Now the CIS has practically self-destructed. If it continues as it is now, the Russian Federation itself will self-destruct, by the same analogy as it was with the USSR.
                  And then, those who remain will voluntarily and with a song cut down the remnants of nuclear weapons for the humanitarian supply of margarine and "bush legs".

                  This is a problem for the West, and for their servants in Russia (you can’t immediately give up, in the name of peace, humanism, tolerance, and billions of dollars in bank accounts in the West)

                  This is not a problem for the West. The West has been "wetting" us since the 1950s, despite all our nuclear weapons.

                  In the world, everything is arranged a little differently than left-wing propaganda says. There is no organized world capitalism - there is US capitalism, there is Asian capitalism and European capitalism. And we would have every opportunity to create quite a significant Russian Capitalism, instead of once again sculpting a giant clay god.
                  1. +2
                    3 February 2022 21: 55
                    Quote: Knell Wardenheart
                    This is not a problem for the West. The West has been "wetting" us since the 1950s
                    The West has been "wetting" us since the days of the Russian Empire. The struggle for world domination has been going on for a long time, and with the advent of capitalism it has become especially aggravated. Who did not want to be the first in the world, he could well be the last. Russian emperors, by a strange irony, mostly "half-breeds", with German mothers and wives, obviously did not want to be the first, especially our last tsar, Nicholas II. The Anglo-Saxons spoiled him a little if, after the lost Russian-Japanese war, he got into loans and got into the Entente, harnessed for England, like Alexander I, whose army was stationed in Paris, and Russia had, perhaps, the last chance to claim leadership. Alas, only England warmed up its hands, having dealt first with Napoleon, and then with Kaiser's Germany. France and the Second Reich were real contenders for the world throne of capitalism, but Britain dealt with competitors largely through the hands of Russia, thanks to Russia, which has never ceased to meanly goat throughout history (excuse the speech turn).

                    You say that "there is no organized world capitalism" ... Here I already disagree with you. He is, as is his world leader and master. You can talk about the US, but I would say about Britain. In this I will repeat what was said earlier in another comment.

                    At the head of the world hierarchical pyramid for centuries is the shadow government of Britain.

                    The Mossad and the CIA, the intelligence services, which are among the strongest, were created by the British MI6 (Secret Intelligence Service, SIS), which also trained national personnel for them. The US Central Bank - FED - created by the Bank of England. The Rothschild dynasty, which controls and manages the world economy, is Her Majesty's subjects. The members of the British Commonwealth of Nations include 52 states, the head of the commonwealth is Queen Elizabeth II, and the headquarters of the commonwealth, of course, is located in London. In 17 states from this list, the head of state is the Queen of Britain, represented by the Governor General.

                    The modern United States, a former British colony, is still under the strict control of the British ruling elite. Few US presidents who have tried to change the role of the British shadow government in the fate of the US have either resigned or been eliminated physically. In this regard, it is noteworthy that compromising evidence on President Trump was also collected by invisible British intelligence.

                    No country, no leader, no people alone can withstand the British cunning and sophistication, such a well-organized force that has penetrated into the deepest layers of most states of the planet.

                    Britain has created colossal state-political, intelligence-military and financial-economic mechanisms of struggle against other countries and peoples, in the struggle for world domination.
                    By and large, the US is just the world's visible "bouncer" that behaves like an "elephant in a china shop", doing all the dirty work for the British crown, remaining in the shadows. Britain is the main owner of world capitalism, and in fact, a universal evil, a satanic fiend, represented by the world media in a halo of gallantry, sophistication, nobility and decency of British "gentlemen". This global evil must be fought not only by Russia and other countries, but, in essence, by the United States itself.
                    You have the right to have your own opinion, I expressed only what I personally think is more logical and reliable.
                    1. 0
                      3 February 2022 22: 26
                      I agree with you in many ways, the world now essentially exists using to a large extent the legacy of British "architecture", at least maritime trade, finance. The United States also made a significant contribution to this, but I am not inclined to separate the Britons and the Americans here, because they have a very interlocked alliance, moreover, this alliance will only develop. And this union, in general, is opposed to both Europe and Asia. They just haven't gotten it all out yet. This is a union of Anglo-Saxon states - colossal territories, a common culture. 2 continents is not bullshit..
                      However, I would not overestimate the power of influence of these states on the "Heartland" now - since the 1950s (already about 70 years), by historical standards, Eurasia has been stable. The ability of the "Englishwoman to shit" is now not the same as before - the ability to project force - too. The intricacies of their intrigues can be quite effectively countered with a calm and progressive economic line - if we again do not rush to distribute fur coats from the master's shoulder to each situational ally, then it will not be easy for them to outplay us, in the case of a thoughtful and pragmatic line on our part.
                      1. +1
                        4 February 2022 06: 54
                        Quote: Knell Wardenheart
                        And this union, in general, is opposed to both Europe and Asia.
                        This union is opposed to the rest of the world. Also, do not forget that, in fact, Germany and Japan remain occupied countries. To this, "red" China, has risen only for two main reasons. First, from it, as well as from the Third Reich, they began to make anti-USSR (after Damansky). Second, China has become the world's counterfeiting factory, making huge profits that exceed those from licensed goods. It would be naive to believe that if it weren't beneficial for the bigwigs from transnational monopolies, China would not be sealed tighter than the DPRK, imposing sanctions, fines, and a complete blockade. China with its "commies" is needed by the Anglo-Saxons, and it is allowed to do what the Chinese do.

                        The world has long been divided, the leader and owner of world capitalism is not a fiction, for this the First and Second World Wars were. There is no "multipolar world" now, there is one pole of power in which London and Washington make all the weather. The rest look into their mouths and are forced to obey, including the Russian authorities, which they can only express concerns, fulfilling all the wishes of the West, selling everything and everything.

                        Do not flatter yourself with Crimea, the West also needed this, which won the Ukrainian Gambit by sacrificing such a "piece". Having all the trump cards in their hands, the Russian authorities pumped the “Russian Spring”, did not recognize the choice of Donbass, but recognized the farce with the elections in Kiev, allowing Bandera to be legalized. This is despite the fact that we had legitimate Yanukovych and Azarov. Thus, the image of the enemy was resurrected for a new arms race, and the Russian authorities were given a chance to raise their rating, give rise to a wave of jingoistic patriotism, hiding the essence of Russia's dependence and degradation.

                        In conclusion, I am impressed by your desire for the good of Russia, all our people, but, I repeat, this is possible only with people's power, and not with renegades, thieves and bandits who serve the West for their billions stolen in Russia. People's power is possible only with the creation of an independent pole of power, as was the case in the USSR, then the world, indeed, was not unipolar.
                        Thank you, all the best.
  32. +5
    3 February 2022 15: 17
    Knell, hello again! )))
    Did you notice that people wrote their comments on your article even late at night? Because they are hurt for the living. People want to talk! But not about the fact that we should have milk rivers and jelly banks - everyone wants this, and everyone understands how these rivers and banks should look like in the presence of political stability that guarantees the future. The image of this future has long been known, each person, of course, has his own, individual. But with all the diversity of individual images, there is a core on which they all close. And the core is, of course, positive. And you have stated it in your articles. So you haven't told us anything new.
    The question is different.
    The whole world is now looking for a way to achieve a positive future, putting our country in a rigid, sometimes painful framework of its search. What will it be? Maybe feudalism? State capitalism? Totalitarianism? Socialism? Something else?..
    What kind of political state under these conditions we will be able to build, such a future we will get, or we will not get anything. And since you started a conversation, so continue in this context. Indeed, even to this day there are disagreements among serious researchers about the political and economic system of the USSR, as well as about the reasons for the collapse of the great state. This means that we need a calm, but very tough analysis of what happened, why it didn’t grow together, what happened next in the last 30 years and how you can get out of this hole.
    And, by the way, it would be nice for everyone to know that there is no economic department in the Presidential Administration, they will not hear us.
    1. -1
      3 February 2022 18: 40
      Because they are hurt for the living. People want to talk!

      Unfortunately, most do not want to) Most are set up the way a spoiled child is set up - people think that an uncle-in-a-cap or an uncle-with-a-pipe-and-mustache will fall on their heads and animate their mortal, saturated with depression and nihilism "conditionally left "bodies, magically make a profit (like Jesus Christ - he will turn, for example, nickel into gold, or pieces of paper with advertising that are stuffed into boxes - into money) - he will take away "everything" from the bourgeoisie and expel them with shame (and by the way , to what extent is it possible to consider a person as this very "bourgeois"?). Well, yes, it will do all this quickly and that's right left-canonical. And yes, no one "good", of course, will suffer - they will not take away their pensions from grandfathers, art workers will work much more fun in mines and factories (well, that's just because USSR 2.0 breathes fresher).
      Here, about such wet fantasies people have now. They absolutely do not need dialogue)) Many went to this article "exorcise the devil" am It seems to them that if they overwhelm me with their dogma-rhetoric, for example, with the contents of the left training manuals, then "the level will be passed", "points received" and so on) But, still no tongue Because the problem remains, and uncle-in-a-cap or uncle-with-a-moustache-and-pipe is in no hurry to come to us with gifts.
      1. +3
        3 February 2022 19: 58
        By the way, those who carefully studied the works of Lenin know that he spoke about the need for the gradual withering away of the state, and if this does not happen, then the USSR will cease to exist. Which is what happened. And no one asks himself the question: why so? I was puzzled.
        But you don't seem to hear
        The population, having no political power and apparatus of coercion, is aware. Can you suggest an apparatus for forcing the government to fulfill the demands of the population, given that there is a powerful apparatus for forcing our government to fulfill the requirements of the international community? How to force the authorities to fulfill two requirements, each of which is opposite to the other? Etc.
        And most importantly. Stop being nervous and offended. We, your critics, love you)))
        Do you know what they say on the internet? Write "ischo")))
        We will talk, we will discuss, do not hang up your nose, we will work out something, water wears away stone.
        You have readers, Knell. I assure you, not every Author has them.
        1. +1
          3 February 2022 20: 08
          The population, having no political power and apparatus of coercion, is

          Therefore, it is always known) Or an overwhelmingly large part of it. Arguments to the contrary are like scholasticism.
          However, we see that the degree of influence of the people on power in states is different, so we can talk about a qualitative difference in this matter, at least. And as soon as this difference exists, studying and using the mechanisms behind it is the best solution for us.
          And most importantly. Stop being nervous and offended. We, your critics, love you)))

          I am tired and ironically calm, Lyudmila) What grievances are there - right here, in front of me now, as on a large table, are the reasons for our failures "in the flesh", outside of kicking to the west, Gorbachev, Yeltsin, oligarchs and so on.
          A sort of big-concrete-wall.
          But you're right, I'm really incredibly grateful to that part of the readers who have something useful to add. To those who supported and supported me hi
          And thank you, Lyudmila Yakovlevna, for the kind words! -)
  33. 0
    6 February 2022 14: 15
    Quote: fif21
    The goods, having not found a buyer in the domestic market, go to the external market.


    A product that is not competitive (poor price/quality ratio) in the domestic market will be even less competitive in foreign markets.
  34. 0
    6 February 2022 14: 19
    Quote: Knell Wardenheart
    And we would have every opportunity to create quite a significant Russian Capitalism, instead of once again sculpting a giant clay god.


    They were not and could not be. All they could do was to become a raw material appendage for Europe.
    The economy and industry in the Republic of Ingushetia developed, but it was not our economy and industry, but a branch of Western economies, industry, and banks. Domestic capital turned out to be uncompetitive even in its own market, and successful expansion to foreign markets is also needed for successful development.
  35. 0
    8 February 2022 19: 53
    In other matters, as always, the State, (do not interfere with the people) You can build and develop, the people know better how ... hi