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On the degree of danger of the Javelin ATGM for the tank forces of the People's Militia of the LDNR

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After Ukraine reported at the end of last year that the Armed Forces of Ukraine used American Javelin anti-tank missile systems (ATGMs) during the fighting in the Donbass, a discussion began among politicians, experts and bloggers: how formidable is this? weaponHow dangerous is it for tank units of the People's Militia of the DPR, and what can the People's Militia of the LDNR oppose to it?


Judging by the statements made by the official representatives of the NM of the LPR and the DPR, one might get the impression that the Javelin ATGM is not a threat at all, they say, the degree of danger is low.

For example, on January 27, the head of the People's Militia, Yan Leshchenko, said that the threat from American weapons was "insignificant." According to him, if the new anti-tank systems are used by the Ukrainian army, then only in certain sectors of the front, and the presence of Javelins on the line of contact is mostly a propaganda function.

Other officials of the republics and bloggers commenting on the situation in Donbas spoke in the same spirit.

Some experts, positioning themselves as military, even demonstrated ignorance of the technical characteristics of anti-tank systems.

For example, in some publications you can find expert statements that "the effectiveness of the Javelin starts from a distance of 2-2,5 kilometers from the target", while in reality the minimum firing range of the Javelin anti-tank systems in the "attack from above" mode is 150 meters, and in the "direct attack" mode - only 65 meters.

Data on the technical characteristics of Javelin is in the public domain, but, apparently, not everyone bothered to get acquainted with them.

True, there are those who spoke more specifically on the topic, such as, for example, the head of the Bureau of Military-Political Analysis Alexander Mikhailov, who noted that if Russian armored vehicles can withstand the Javelin, then for the outdated armored vehicles of the DPR and LPR, strikes from such complexes will bring big losses.

Regarding the readiness of the armies of the republics to resist the Javelin anti-tank systems, Andrei Marochko, Lieutenant Colonel of the LPR People's Militia reserve, spoke most interestingly. In a commentary to Moskovsky Komsomolets, he said that in the republic they thought a lot about how to reduce the effectiveness of the use of American anti-tank systems by Ukrainian troops and what countermeasures to use, and as a result, they worked out some options that cannot be discussed, because this is an important state secret. But, as Marochko promised, "the results hoped for by the Ukrainian military will disappoint them."

What kind of secret countermeasures these are, no one, it seems, even in the People's Militia itself knows.

A person who is unfamiliar with the real military situation in the Donbass, who has read all this, may get a misleading impression that the Javelin is not very dangerous for the armies of the LPR and DPR. Among users of social networks, this opinion is quite common - they say that in the hands of drunken fools from the Armed Forces of Ukraine, who cannot be trusted even with a machine gun, American anti-tank systems are not very dangerous.

And here the question arises - how much does all of the above relate to reality?

And what can the NM LDNR oppose to the Javelin ATGM?

In order to answer the question, what, in fact, the People's Militia of the LDNR can oppose to the Javelin anti-tank systems, you first need to understand the state of the tank forces of the armies of the republics now.

And here the illusions are collapsing on the rocks of harsh reality.

The results of the use of Javelin anti-tank systems by the Armed Forces of Ukraine in the event of a Ukrainian offensive will really disappoint the Ukrainian command, because at the moment there are practically no combat-ready tank forces in the People's Militia.

When a separate tank battalion, personally subordinate to the corps commander, cannot field a single serviceable tank on alert, this is an “achievement” of almost eight years of the Minsk agreements.

When the unemployed throughout the city are caught in the tank battalion of the 4th Motorized Rifle Brigade, based in Alchevsk, and, not having caught the required number, they begin to transfer people from other units there - this is also an “achievement”.

If a couple of years ago, the line of combat-ready tanks and crews in the tank battalions of the motorized rifle brigades of the NM of the LPR and DPR was 25–30%, now this is already in the past - now the bar is probably somewhere in the region of 10–15% of vehicles capable of leaving outside the fleet of vehicles and successfully hit the enemy tank.

A tanker is a very expensive soldier. Training a tanker is the consumption of the motor resource of the tank engine and its running gear, the consumption of the resource of a tank gun, which is written off after a couple of hundred shots. This is diesel fuel, spare parts, these are competent commanders-teachers who, together with him, will go through the entire tank piece by piece, explain how everything works in it, how to properly handle what.

It is not enough to pay an expensive soldier - it means, one way or another, to lose him. If a tanker, who, in the case of competent training, is a highly qualified technical specialist, receives the salary of a simple military watchman guarding a warehouse in the deep rear, without combat allowances, only because the tanks in the republics are withdrawn to the rear and do not fight, then what will we get after some time such a policy?

We will get almost all literate and brave warriors, potentially ready (both in terms of knowledge / skills and motivation) to be tankers who have transferred to the infantry of line battalions and armored personnel carriers, where they will fight and receive a salary that they can normally provide for their families against the background rising prices in stores.

Tanks are infrastructure, a training and repair base, a huge number of competent and motivated technical specialists. This, unfortunately, does not exist in the republics, the rudiments of this were killed and crushed, and it will be formed anew, if it happens, already in the course of the “big fight”. With traditional failures for such processes and offensive senseless losses.

It seems that the leadership of the LNR and the DNR does not care much about the question of "how the republics will resist the Javelin."

Because, as a rule, this “counteraction” is organized by people who have no idea about the tactics and technique of the combat use of this ATGM and have not even read the instructions for it, which have been in the public domain for a long time, for many years.

They will puff out their cheeks and publish tales on the Internet that are not related to reality - "we have such devices that we will not tell you about." This may affect the Russian layman, but in the LPR and DPR everyone knows everything about everyone, because everything is in plain sight.

Therefore, even now, for people familiar with the real state of affairs in the People's Militia of the LDNR, it is obvious that without Russian military assistance, the republics will have nothing to oppose to the Javelin missile systems, which in fact have a high degree of danger.
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  1. avia12005
    avia12005 1 February 2022 15: 13
    +12
    For some reason it seems that soon the truth will be established. Whether the Javelin is good or not, how many tanks the republics have, etc.
    1. avg
      avg 1 February 2022 15: 24
      +57
      Hatching and hiding the real state, these are the biggest dangers at the present time.
      1. avia12005
        avia12005 1 February 2022 15: 27
        +4
        I absolutely agree
      2. Alekseev
        Alekseev 3 February 2022 07: 08
        +7
        That's for sure about hats.
        But the thesis of how armored vehicles will resist javelins and other ATGMs is not correct.
        Armor, DZ, etc. for armored vehicles, this is already the last line of defense against PTS.
        Javelins are well opposed by howitzers, MLRS, mortars and other infantry weapons, for which ATGM crews are the "profile" target. 125-mm OFS are also good, especially with ready-made lethal elements and shrapnel type.
        But the last frontier - the protection of the tank from above should also be strengthened. Probably the best available option is not visors and awnings, but remote sensing on the roof of the tower, boxes for spare parts, etc.
        But the main thing is to work out interaction with artillery and other means of defeating the enemy's PTS.
        1. YOUR
          YOUR 5 February 2022 14: 02
          +2
          What is the view from a moving tank?
          How far can a tank commander detect a camouflaged ATGM crew of the same Javelin, which lay 2-3 km away in the bushes?
          I will answer you the probability of detection is zero. RZSO, howitzers, mortars, and even more so with a tank gun, you cannot process all the bushes, ravines and other shelters.
        2. hydrox
          hydrox 8 February 2022 16: 51
          +1
          It is clear that tanks in an unprepared attack will be very vulnerable.
          And in defense? If, 2-3 km from the front line, a dozen Chrysanthemums with full armor are disguised?
          And if the front line before the offensive of the Armed Forces of Ukraine is well treated with MLRS, artillery and TOSs, will the probability of using Javelins against tanks standing in ambush decrease?
          Again: what’s wrong with attack helicopters armed with the same long-range radio-guided ATGMs and located outside the range of the Stingers, or what’s new in the Armed Forces of Ukraine? Isn't the use of radar to reveal the coordinates of artillery positions in the LDNR not used? Still, there is no longer cavalry with drafts unsheathed, not those years and not those wars ...
    2. Spring fluff
      Spring fluff 1 February 2022 16: 25
      0
      but I think the opposite is the case for the world. judging by the delay in the response from our side
      1. avia12005
        avia12005 1 February 2022 16: 36
        -3
        I think that the conflict, unfortunately, is already inevitable. Ukraine cannot just gather troops and mobilize another 100. There is no money to support them. And there is no economy.
        1. Spring fluff
          Spring fluff 1 February 2022 17: 16
          +1
          Do you want to bet on whiskey for fun? we mean a big war - officially Ukraine and the Russian Federation. the dates were called January-February, some thought that after the Paralympics. let's with a margin - until 01.05. I bet that there will be no war, whiskey for a couple of thousand https://winestyle.ru/whisky/ballantines/
          1. avia12005
            avia12005 1 February 2022 18: 18
            +6
            I would argue if it were not for the fact that I did not talk about the official war. And in the article about not a word. We are talking about the attack of the APU on the Donbass hi
            1. Spring fluff
              Spring fluff 1 February 2022 18: 21
              +1
              How do you see the development of the situation? what kind of fighting do you expect?
              1. avia12005
                avia12005 1 February 2022 19: 04
                +2
                I am not the General Staff crying we will see.
            2. Karabogazgol
              Karabogazgol 2 February 2022 20: 27
              0
              The attack of the Armed Forces of Ukraine on the Donbass, if any, will end with the commissioning of electronic warfare units from the territory of Russia and an adequate response to the attack by the armed forces of the LDNR ...
              1. VSO-396
                VSO-396 2 February 2022 21: 23
                +2
                Will you stop tanks with electronic warfare?
                1. Karabogazgol
                  Karabogazgol 5 February 2022 10: 34
                  +1
                  Modern warfare is not in "tanks", but in electronics ... Your tanks will die when attacked by UAVs
          2. Sandor Clegane
            Sandor Clegane 2 February 2022 08: 07
            -1
            Quote: Spring Fluff
            I bet that there will be no war, whiskey for a couple of thousand

            so be it, the republics will definitely be attacked, ours will help the LDNR - and what kind of swill for a couple of thousand?
            1. Spring fluff
              Spring fluff 2 February 2022 11: 23
              +3
              it is not immediately clear who has what financial capabilities. I like this one more https://amwine.ru/catalog/krepkie_napitki/viski/aberlour_12_years_old/
          3. Oleg Samsonov
            Oleg Samsonov 3 February 2022 08: 47
            0
            The timing of the start of the war will be dictated by the presence of acceptable conditions (weather, foreign policy, readiness), I think the war will be in June-July! When the defending side gets tired of constant readiness!
            1. Spring fluff
              Spring fluff 3 February 2022 11: 20
              +2
              on the one hand, of course, it is more convenient in the summer - the thaw and the sowing season are over. on the other hand, time is playing against us, and mine is very strong. and in the summer our factor of gas deliveries to Europe works worse.
          4. Mikle
            Mikle 3 February 2022 10: 49
            -3
            Your terms of the dispute mean that you consider the probability of war to be less than 50 percent. But on the terms of 1 to 10 will you argue? If yes, then you consider the probability of war to be less than 10 percent, if not, then more than 10 percent. So?
            1. Spring fluff
              Spring fluff 3 February 2022 11: 15
              +3
              "well, you set the tasks, gentleman" (c) I can’t imagine how it is possible to estimate the probability of such events with a certainty of 10%
              here 50 to 50. either a meeting of a dinosaur or not :)
        2. alystan
          alystan 3 February 2022 01: 16
          +2
          Not to mobilize, but to increase the number of the Armed Forces by one hundred thousand within three years, and not momentarily.
      2. RUSS
        RUSS 3 February 2022 16: 46
        +1
        Quote: Spring Fluff
        but I think the opposite is the case for the world. judging by the delay in the response from our side

        The Kremlin knew that the United States would ignore our response to NATO, so why throw the prejudice?
    3. Thrifty
      Thrifty 1 February 2022 16: 29
      +14
      A beautiful, intriguing title, and nothing more! The author, so what does the LDNR have with Javelin anti-tank missile protection?
  2. 210ox
    210ox 1 February 2022 15: 15
    +33
    The entire defense was kept on some kind of precarious balance. DRG roamed the front line and not only. The leaders of the LDNR were destroyed. What kind of defense are we talking about? The question is how quickly the Russian Armed Forces react (the order will pass). And how long can AK LDNR hold out until our forces approach?
    1. Oleg Samsonov
      Oleg Samsonov 3 February 2022 08: 49
      0
      For some reason, I remembered Malchish-Kibalchish!
      1. 210ox
        210ox 3 February 2022 08: 54
        +1
        Who eventually died. No, everything ended well and heroically for Arkady Gaidar. "Pioneers are coming - Salute to the Malchish." He just doesn't need it anymore.
  3. viktortarianik
    viktortarianik 1 February 2022 15: 18
    +8
    Competently and without jingoistic patriotism.
  4. Jacket in stock
    Jacket in stock 1 February 2022 15: 23
    +9
    And why so much attention to the Javelins?
    They also have guns, grenade launchers, rockets ....
  5. pytar
    pytar 1 February 2022 15: 25
    -7
    The opinion of Kiril Ryabov, who is a frequent guest at VO with his materials:
    1. Old tanker
      Old tanker 1 February 2022 16: 01
      +2
      Thank. Neighing.
      1. pytar
        pytar 1 February 2022 18: 02
        0
        Thank. Neighing.

        You can. But tankers in burning tanks will not be laughing.
        1. Old tanker
          Old tanker 1 February 2022 18: 14
          +14
          As a person who knows how tanks burn, and not only firsthand, he neighed at the "expert" opinion of a couch blogger. For without laughter, it is impossible to listen to such nonsense in your right mind.
          1. pytar
            pytar 1 February 2022 18: 34
            +5
            I don't see anything funny. Javelins and NLAW, deadly weapons for tanks! You can't underestimate! Counteracting these complexes is a difficult task! Moreover, Ukraine received considerable quantities!
            https://topwar.ru/191339-kakoe-protivotankovoe-oruzhie-velikobritanija-peredala-ukraine.html
            1. Old tanker
              Old tanker 1 February 2022 18: 43
              +21
              I am not laughing at anti-tank weapons and their use, but at the knowledge of the author of the video.
              Even RPGs in capable hands are a very effective weapon against tanks. Yes, and preparing a grenade launcher is much easier than an ATGM operator.
              And such couch experts only powder the brains of people far from reality. And stupidly hype on it.
              1. pytar
                pytar 1 February 2022 21: 38
                -5
                Yes, and preparing a grenade launcher is much easier than an ATGM operator.

                If you still need a thorough preparation to work with Jewelina, then with NLAW you can learn in an hour. That is one of the main advantages of the ego.
                1. Old tanker
                  Old tanker 2 February 2022 08: 48
                  +8
                  Have you heard enough Ukrainian news? For an hour and an arrow from a pistol, you can’t prepare.
                  Unless, of course, you consider the ability to aim at the target and press the trigger as preparation.
                  1. VSO-396
                    VSO-396 2 February 2022 21: 33
                    -1
                    Compared ... A pistol, from small arms, is one of the most difficult.
              2. onstar9
                onstar9 2 February 2022 07: 37
                -6
                Quote: Old Tankman
                I am not laughing at anti-tank weapons and their use, but at the knowledge of the author of the video.

                Well, you are an "old tanker", say something sensible. We will listen. Tell me your opinion, instead of calling everyone \ fools. We wait...
                1. Old tanker
                  Old tanker 2 February 2022 08: 46
                  0
                  What exactly do you want to hear my opinion, dear troll?
              3. Vadim237
                Vadim237 2 February 2022 15: 09
                +3
                With the right approach, the Javelin operator can be trained in a few days to bring the complex into a combat position, look for a target, direct and launch a missile. And you still need to learn how to hit from a grenade launcher, and this is much more than a few days of training.
                1. Old tanker
                  Old tanker 2 February 2022 15: 49
                  -2
                  Have you been trained as a Javelin operator?
                  And did I say that preparing a grenade launcher is easy and fast?
                  1. Vadim237
                    Vadim237 4 February 2022 00: 08
                    +2
                    Yes, there, even according to the instructions that are freely available, everything is chewed up so that the latter will master in a short time.
                    "And did I say that preparing a grenade launcher is easy and fast?" This is who wrote "Even an RPG in capable hands is a very dangerous weapon against tanks. Yes, and preparing a grenade launcher is much easier than an ATGM operator." You lagged behind life ATGMs are much more effective than RPGs, all the more so if they work according to the principle they fired and forgot, and even RPGs with ATGM functionality like NLAW are decently more effective than RPG 7 and all the others, both in terms of training the shooter and the probability of hitting armored vehicles, and notice that conventional RPGs shoot only at the frontal sides projections of armored vehicles that can be covered with hinged armor with dynamic protection or anti-cumulative screens, and the equipment itself can be equipped with KAZ - and the complexes supplied to Ukraine hit the upper hemisphere, alas, our tanks T 72B3M T80BVM and T 90A / M there is nothing to counter such an attack, the probability of defeat will be 90% of the equipment either disabled or destroyed along with the crew.
                    1. Alekseev
                      Alekseev 4 February 2022 12: 14
                      +1
                      With their "upper hemisphere" they are worn, as with a written sack.
                      During the Second World War, German 75 and 88 mm guns and our ZiS-2, ZiS-53. D-25, BS-3 confidently hit in any sphere .... And attack aircraft in the upper one. But tanks and tank troops were the striking force of the Ground Forces. Or was there a revolution with the adoption of the Jpwelins?
                      No, every action has a reaction, see above.
                      Another thing is that against a stronger enemy it is necessary, as Comrade Stalin used to say, it is necessary to seriously prepare troops. And technically, and organizationally, and tactically.
                      As for the training of PTS operators, they say it’s easy enough to master there, they forget to say that it will not be the expert behind the “clave” or at least at the training ground that will have to use these very PTSs, but a soldier in battle under intense fire from the enemy. That's it - it's difficult to prepare a soldier, and not a certain operator.
                    2. Old tanker
                      Old tanker 4 February 2022 13: 34
                      0
                      Vadim237, I am glad that you can read instructions in the public domain, but this is not even a theoretical training for an ATGM operator. Not to mention the full course and even more professional development.
                      To capture a target with a homing head, it needs to be accompanied for several seconds. And it is much more difficult to keep a maneuvering armored object in the aiming mark than a straight-flying air target in the sight of a MANPADS. And MANPADS operators are trained for a long time and hard.
                      The phrase that a dangerous weapon is in the capable hands of an RPG does not mean that a good grenade thrower can be trained in a short time. But it’s easier to train a grenade launcher than an ATGM operator. Although the Ukrainians claim that the arrow from the NLAW grenade launcher (and this is a grenade launcher, and not a full-fledged ATGM) in an hour. laughing crying
            2. Alexey G
              Alexey G 6 February 2022 13: 58
              0
              You can promote someone else's weapons for a very long time, but I don't think that our General Staff does not analyze the data on the supply of NATO weapons to Ukraine! I don’t think that our command intends to attack Kiev with the help of tanks! I think it will be quite the opposite! These are the tanks of the ukrofascists that will be trampled into an attack on Novorossia and will be safely burned there from the ground and air! Javelins will not help in the fight against the Russian Aerospace Forces!
              In the same way, they will not help in the fight against the infantry of Novorossia. Most likely, the fighters with these green figs on their backs will be shot in cold blood by snipers, and their prodigies were successfully captured and used against the tanks of the Armed Forces of Ukraine!
              Let them attack! Rooks and Su 35s are already in Belarus, and Su34s are ready to attack! I think that we will see the work of our drones!
              1. pytar
                pytar 6 February 2022 16: 02
                0
                You can promote someone else's weapons for a very long time...

                We have some kind of inadequate perception! No PR here! There is a sober assessment of the danger! No extra "our best, someone else's no..."!
                but I do not think that our General Staff does not analyze the data on the supply of NATO weapons to Ukraine!

                Of course he thinks! This is ego work! The supply of a "roof" from a lattice to tanks is one of the solutions. They can be marginally useful against Javelins, as Javelins use a shaped charge. But such a system is no good against NLAW, which uses a shock core.
                Everything else is subject to guesswork. "if only, if only...".
                1. Alexey G
                  Alexey G 6 February 2022 16: 13
                  -1
                  If you think that Putin is preparing an armed takeover of Ukraine, then you are either a bad analyst or a provocateur!
                  The fact that in parts of the Southern Military District one of the commanders of tank units made visors for tanks does not mean that our command is preparing to seize a sovereign state! Do not be like Rezun, who argued that the Soviet divisions on the border with Germany prove Stalin's aggressive plans!
                  Russia has not been and will not be an aggressor and invader, but it can force the aggressor in the person of the Bandera gang to peace, which has already been and will be!
                  And for the attack on Donetsk, the Javelins will not help them much! Read above!!
                  1. pytar
                    pytar 6 February 2022 21: 54
                    -1
                    If you think that Putin is preparing an armed takeover of Ukraine, then you are either a bad analyst or a provocateur!

                    In my comments, I have repeatedly said categorically that Putin will not attack Ukraine. All the hype, from the East, from the West, from Ukraine itself, have completely different goals. Some local provocations can take place, they happen all the time anyway. Javelins will not be used, but for all that, the Russian army equips tanks with gratings on the roofs. Just in case, you can protect yourself from UAVs.
                    You are a strange person! Stick some of your thoughts to others, and then refute! request OK. Finished the conversation. hi
    2. avib
      avib 1 February 2022 17: 38
      +11
      His name is Kirill Fedorov, a sofa expert from Riga. It has nothing to do with VO.,
      1. Old tanker
        Old tanker 1 February 2022 18: 00
        +4
        I know. Once upon a time I followed his "creativity".
      2. pytar
        pytar 1 February 2022 18: 00
        -7
        Perhaps I am confusing, although I saw similar articles coinciding in time and the content from his video here on VO.
      3. Sergey79
        Sergey79 2 February 2022 14: 38
        +1
        He tries to write a lot about the development of artillery.
    3. Sergey79
      Sergey79 2 February 2022 14: 36
      +5
      K. Ryabov, still that "expert" ... Especially in artillery. Previously, he tried to show that he practically did not understand the topic he was writing about. Then he spat. Superficial possession of information, in essence, the ongoing processes are not understood. What about writing just to write? It's not the same for everybody...
      1. Sanichsan
        Sanichsan 2 February 2022 22: 47
        +3
        Quote: Sergey79
        What about writing just to write? It's not the same for everybody...

        well, as the first channel of the alcoafter was covered, it was necessary to somehow restore the income from YouTube, so he writes that he can lol don't go to the factory to work wassat there is someone hawala as an expert opinion wassat views go, bablishko drips. good
        1. Sergey79
          Sergey79 3 February 2022 10: 58
          +2
          Another article about PRP5. Information taken from the internet. If only I looked at the booklet .... There is even more information there
          1. Sanichsan
            Sanichsan 3 February 2022 11: 05
            +2
            Quote: Sergey79
            If only I looked at the booklet .... There is even more information there

            no no no stop his role is a retelling of the wiki! he has been famous for this since the time of the tundra streams. Well, he has a corresponding audience ... those who can’t digest something more serious than a wiki, but they haven’t even read a wiki, and for them this is some kind of revelation. bully
    4. Alexey G
      Alexey G 6 February 2022 13: 48
      +1
      Who is this parrot who has read about the Javelins! ???
    5. Alexey G
      Alexey G 6 February 2022 13: 52
      +1
      Ryabov will not take you to Solovyov! Sit there in a mink and chew the seeds of a mouse! Soros will not throw more cheese!
  6. Daniil Konovalenko
    Daniil Konovalenko 1 February 2022 15: 36
    +6
    And so figure out where the LDNR tanks come from? Remains of the former captured "luxury"? So how many years have passed ... And that the Armed Forces of Ukraine do not know about this? .. Then why do they need so many Jevelins?
    1. anjey
      anjey 1 February 2022 16: 44
      +3
      An additional objective of the system is to destroy bunkers and provide defense against attacking / hovering helicopters. In recent conflicts, the CPB was also used as a stand-alone device for monitoring the battlefield and selecting targets.
      So not only tanks and not only defense, mass use against fortifications will also be effective, so that in all general staffs the brains should work to their fullest.
    2. Vadim237
      Vadim237 1 February 2022 17: 33
      +5
      The fact remains that the Armed Forces of Ukraine have hundreds of Javelin launchers and more than a thousand missiles, and even thousands of NLAW grenade launchers, thousands of machine guns, heavy rifles, automatic grenade launchers will start supplying them with thousands of machine guns, heavy rifles, automatic grenade launchers, they will arm all the infantry to the teeth and then they will begin to import heavy weapons.
  7. sergo1914
    sergo1914 1 February 2022 15: 45
    +11
    . resource consumption of a tank gun, which is written off after a couple of hundred shots.


    What? Are you serious? Did the author even see the tank? You mean not in the picture? What hundreds? Before you write, you should familiarize yourself with the topic.
    1. rocket757
      rocket757 1 February 2022 16: 03
      +6
      Any technique has a resource, after which it is not reasonable to operate it, and even dangerous.
      By the way, the resource can be drastically reduced if it is not used correctly and the maintenance regulations are not observed.
      In general, only ... whoever is there knows the real state of affairs.
      1. sergo1914
        sergo1914 1 February 2022 16: 16
        +5
        Quote: rocket757
        Any technique has a resource, after which it is not reasonable to operate it, and even dangerous.
        By the way, the resource can be drastically reduced if it is not used correctly and the maintenance regulations are not observed.
        In general, only ... whoever is there knows the real state of affairs.


        I'll try to explain. The tank gun is a special tool. Ballistics (by task) implies a long barrel. The limitations of the fighting compartment imply a compact breech. It is impossible to balance the weight of the barrel with the weight of the breech (as in field artillery). The distance from the axis of the trunnions to the muzzle is very large. The distance from the axis of the trunnions to the rear of the breech is minimal. Balancing devices are not an option. The same weight and dimensions in the reserved space. The way out is to reduce the weight of the barrel. Refusal of muzzle brakes. Minimal ejector. Weight reduction - barrel wall thickness. In addition, at high muzzle velocities (and even on sub-caliber ammunition), wear is prohibitive. Literally after a few shots, the quality characteristics of the barrel fall catastrophically. Accuracy, accuracy, effective range ... The projectile flies, but not quite there, along a flatter trajectory, the muzzle velocity (escape velocity from the bore) drops. A tank projectile receives a slight kick after leaving the channel (critical section in the muzzle zone). But these are pennies. Making an expensive barrel... Look how long a tank lives on the battlefield. Exit one. Sacrifice the resource by reducing the weight of the barrel as much as possible.
        1. rocket757
          rocket757 1 February 2022 16: 30
          +2
          This is understandable ... all the same, anti-aircraft guns, also artillery, had to be studied, very long ago.
          The question is not only about the features of tank guns, but about everything in general.
          For the efficient operation of equipment, a lot of things are required ... trained personnel, for the same operation and maintenance. Material and technical base and supplies with everything necessary.
          These are the realities ... how things are there, I can’t say, so I don’t draw conclusions.
    2. vl903
      vl903 1 February 2022 16: 19
      +1
      Quote: sergo1914
      . resource consumption of a tank gun, which is written off after a couple of hundred shots.


      What? Are you serious? Did the author even see the tank? You mean not in the picture? What hundreds? Before you write, you should familiarize yourself with the topic.

      and how much is the barrel life of a tank gun sub-caliber in your opinion?
      1. Old tanker
        Old tanker 1 February 2022 18: 12
        +5
        The average barrel life for the given shots of the 2A46M gun is 800 shots.
        The ratio of sub-caliber to fragmentation is 10. So count it.
        But this is an average resource. It can be more or less. Look at the wear limit of the bore.
        1. vl903
          vl903 1 February 2022 19: 19
          -2
          Quote: Old Tanker
          The average barrel life for the given shots of the 2A46M gun is 800 shots.
          The ratio of sub-caliber to fragmentation is 10. So count it.
          But this is an average resource. It can be more or less. Look at the wear limit of the bore.

          I’m not trained to count by coefficients because it’s a bast shoe)))
          tyrnet says 2a46 - 600 of some given shots, 2a46m with chrome - 1200 ... the speed of a high-explosive projectile is 700ms, a sub-caliber 1700ms, from which it can be assumed that milking old Ukrainian tanks that have LDNR and 150 shots of sub-caliber sub-caliber residual resource will be too much. maybe a couple of dozen
  8. JonnyT
    JonnyT 1 February 2022 15: 51
    +3
    of course, of course - all the tanks fell apart, the crews drank themselves, everything was stolen. Through the holy javelin, I can already see on the horizon.
    These experts are strange: some wrote that the tank troops of the LDNR were comparable to the German ones, and now they write that in 8 years everything "disappeared and rotted"
    1. onstar9
      onstar9 2 February 2022 07: 51
      -2
      Quote: JonnyT
      of course, of course - all the tanks fell apart, the crews drank themselves, everything was stolen. Through the holy javelin, I can already see on the horizon.
      These experts are strange: some wrote that the tank troops of the LDNR were comparable to the German ones, and now they write that in 8 years everything "disappeared and rotted"

      Yes, there will be no war between the DPR-LPR and Ukraine. Russia will fight. And the DNR-LNR is just a "cover". Therefore, the condition of the DPR tanks does not matter. Most likely it is bad in the main, with a few exceptions. Because they always knew there that only Russia would really fight. And therefore, no one gave them money for the large-scale costs of restoring equipment. And on what? If Russia still fights...
  9. Nikolaevich I
    Nikolaevich I 1 February 2022 15: 58
    -9
    Something is being done in the LDNR to protect tanks from Javelins ...


  10. japan-k
    japan-k 1 February 2022 16: 01
    -13
    It is quite possible that everything written is true (if the author is there constantly and sees and knows from trusted sources) In the blockade regime, the main question for the republics is survival, food, and only then the Army, as such). But it is foolish to think that there are no Russian instructors, leaders. And that the LDNR Army does not have any contact with the Russian structures of the Armed Forces and intelligence. Perhaps the RF Armed Forces have already calculated all the options for events, and are ready to give a timely, quick and necessary answer. And the Russian Armed Forces have sufficient capabilities, with just one missile salvo, from land, sea and air, they will 100% disorganize the entire army of Ukraine. There, people are not for the idea, not patriots, but simply you can’t earn more money anywhere now. Yes, and officers, real, literate, understand everything perfectly. And the "Banderites" from the National Battalions, so they can only shoot at grandparents, and children, as soon as they smell fried, first of all, these jingoistic patriots will scatter. This is where the war ends
    1. vl903
      vl903 1 February 2022 16: 22
      -1
      Quote: japan-k
      It is quite possible that everything written is true (if the author is there constantly and sees and knows from trusted sources) In the blockade regime, the main question for the republics is survival, food, and only then the Army, as such). But it is foolish to think that there are no Russian instructors, leaders. And that the LDNR Army does not have any contact with the Russian structures of the Armed Forces and intelligence. Perhaps the RF Armed Forces have already calculated all the options for events, and are ready to give a timely, quick and necessary answer. And the Russian Armed Forces have sufficient capabilities, with just one missile salvo, from land, sea and air, they will 100% disorganize the entire army of Ukraine. There, people are not for the idea, not patriots, but simply you can’t earn more money anywhere now. Yes, and officers, real, literate, understand everything perfectly. And the "Banderites" from the National Battalions, so they can only shoot at grandparents, and children, as soon as they smell fried, first of all, these jingoistic patriots will scatter. This is where the war ends

      stand side not all, but some of the same Russians only brainwashed. after 2014 they are also well trained. so it won't be easy.
      and behind them the second wave will be followed by cheers patriots and just punitive policemen.
      1. Sebastian Aristarkhovich Pereira
        Sebastian Aristarkhovich Pereira 1 February 2022 21: 14
        +4
        And why does everyone suddenly declare about "... well-trained retinue wars ..." ??? Who and what teaches these trained? Prepare ATGM operators? Well, they are cooked everywhere. Or "divine jewels" is the mother of all grenade launchers?! "Stingers" will give and teach ??? But what, they suddenly became cooler than the same "Arrows" ?! Or are there no MANPADS calculations in LDNR ?! There is! What else do foreign teachers teach their students? Run in formation with machine guns at the ready and storm buildings?! They themselves stormed a lot?!
        Teach the commanders of the organization of the offensive?! Were you advancing a lot?! Ahhh will they bomb with planes and hammer with artillery? Well, they will be hammered at them, fortunately, they also know how .... Everything is fine on paper, but they attack with their feet and on the ground. Then we'll see how they go ... with songs and dances or on their belly through the mud under fire. I perfectly understand the balance of forces and means, only here some exorbitantly rich and incredibly belligerent people were breaking from the battlefields just now, throwing equipment and feces ....
        1. vl903
          vl903 1 February 2022 21: 55
          -5
          Quote: Sebastian Aristarkhovich Pereira
          And why does everyone suddenly declare about "... well-trained retinue wars ..." ??? Who and what teaches these trained? Prepare ATGM operators? Well, they are cooked everywhere. Or "divine jewels" is the mother of all grenade launchers?! "Stingers" will give and teach ??? But what, they suddenly became cooler than the same "Arrows" ?! Or are there no MANPADS calculations in LDNR ?! There is! What else do foreign teachers teach their students? Run in formation with machine guns at the ready and storm buildings?! They themselves stormed a lot?!
          Teach the commanders of the organization of the offensive?! Were you advancing a lot?! Ahhh will they bomb with planes and hammer with artillery? Well, they will be hammered at them, fortunately, they also know how .... Everything is fine on paper, but they attack with their feet and on the ground. Then we'll see how they go ... with songs and dances or on their belly through the mud under fire. I perfectly understand the balance of forces and means, only here some exorbitantly rich and incredibly belligerent people were breaking from the battlefields just now, throwing equipment and feces ....

          write what they teach. they have experience.
          the javelin has not yet shown the experience of fighting the opposite, but the king of the anti-tank missile system, at least on paper.
          if the Russian Federation fits in, there are chances.
          if it doesn't fit, not enough.
          throwing feces, if this is about Afghans and Amers, then they can afford to go where and when they want and leave when they want ... we can’t yet
          1. Sebastian Aristarkhovich Pereira
            Sebastian Aristarkhovich Pereira 1 February 2022 22: 22
            +10
            Wait and see ! Returning to Afghanistan and their victorious flight, I draw attention to the quality of their training and armament of the allies, the government army of Afghanistan ... They taught for 20 years, but laid down their arms in a month .... and carefully handed over to the Taliban all the equipment with which they were armed. And the fact that the LDNR will not be taken out without Russia is for sure, but that’s what we are talking about!
            1. Nyrobsky
              Nyrobsky 1 February 2022 22: 41
              +7
              Quote: Sebastian Aristarkhovich Pereira
              They taught for 20 years, but laid down their arms in a month .... and carefully handed over to the Taliban all the equipment with which they were armed
              They taught, supplied and incited in Georgia, so much so that the war was called "five-day". It seems that the results in Ukraine will not be much better. hi
              1. Vadim237
                Vadim237 4 February 2022 00: 18
                -3
                We in Georgia have lost a lot of equipment and people killed and wounded during this five-day period. And the Ukronats with our vacationers fought actively in 2014 in 2015, and so far, and in the event of a conflict with our troops, the West will help these thugs with tens of thousands of mercenaries from all over the world, armed to the maximum, who have significant combat experience. No matter how it turns out that we will stir up a hornet's nest and while we are fighting with it, we will be thrown another big one with hornets and will be thrown across the same border by Poland.
                1. Nyrobsky
                  Nyrobsky 4 February 2022 10: 47
                  +3
                  Quote: Vadim237
                  We in Georgia have lost a lot of equipment and people killed and wounded during this five-day period.
                  In war, in general, yes, they kill. Considering that in 2008 we entered Georgia without any preliminary preparation, reconnaissance and practically from the wheels, losses were inevitable, besides, the Georgians were on their own land. Only my colleague Pereira and I are talking about deadlines. Despite training the Georgians with mattresses and pumping their army with American weapons, they fought for 5 days, and the Afghan army, after 20 years of mattress "training", lasted less than a month. And the fact that there will be resistance and there will be losses is clear as daylight. hi
          2. Nyrobsky
            Nyrobsky 1 February 2022 22: 36
            +12
            Quote: vl903
            throwing feces, if this is about Afghans and Amers, then they can afford to go where and when they want and leave when they want ... we can’t yet

            Hello, we've arrived. In 2008, they entered Georgia, brought Mishiko to obserikha and left, taking South Ossetia and Abkhazia with them. But before that, he was warned a thousand times, do not go. So we say to dill, "do not meddle with the war in the LDNR, more you will lose your statehood", but they, like Mishiko, believe in the support of the United States. If they don’t hear, then they will also lose half of Ukraine
            In 2015, they entered Syria, when Assad's mattresses predicted 1,5-3 months before the defeat, and now what? 80% of the territory came under the control of Damascus, and ISIS (as a state) was defeated, despite the fact that with mattresses and their allies, this quasi-state only expanded its territory and grew in recruits. But the mattresses, wherever they went, got dirty everywhere. So, the Americans and we have inputs and outputs, only the results are different. I think ours are better.
          3. Momento
            Momento 2 February 2022 00: 37
            +4
            well why. there was a famous battle between American special forces and Iraqi tanks. of the minuses of the javelin - a capricious weapon - 30% did not work. of the pluses - when that defeat almost 100% worked.
    2. ViktorBiryukov
      1 February 2022 16: 35
      +2
      You are too optimistic. In December, highly respected people from the Novorossiya Aid Coordination Center published a part of the report on the topic "How Russia is losing the war in Donbass." I advise you to read. The article was published by Novorossiya News Agency under the title "Ukrainian Offensive to Donbass: Options and Possible Outcomes."
      1. Momento
        Momento 2 February 2022 00: 39
        +2
        they won't come. unless suddenly in the Russian Federation a revolution or a coup. and so no. reached already.
        1. Sanichsan
          Sanichsan 2 February 2022 22: 56
          +1
          Quote: Momento
          they won't come. unless suddenly in the Russian Federation a revolution or a coup.

          and they have nowhere to go. Something needs to be done before February 14th. request then Donbass will sail away like Crimea.
          1. Momento
            Momento 3 February 2022 05: 28
            +3
            you have to be a realist - already sailed away.
            1. Sanichsan
              Sanichsan 3 February 2022 09: 41
              0
              Quote: Momento
              you have to be a realist - already sailed away.

              de facto yes, but now de jure and there will be nothing to appeal to. and the troops of the Russian Federation there will no longer be fictional, but quite real.
              1. Momento
                Momento 3 February 2022 16: 04
                +1
                much more real? 500 tanks alone. the train took away in august 2014
  11. sergo1914
    sergo1914 1 February 2022 16: 21
    +2
    Quote: vl903
    Quote: sergo1914
    . resource consumption of a tank gun, which is written off after a couple of hundred shots.


    What? Are you serious? Did the author even see the tank? You mean not in the picture? What hundreds? Before you write, you should familiarize yourself with the topic.

    and how much is the barrel life of a tank gun sub-caliber in your opinion?


    Several dozen shots. You can shoot hundreds. The question is, where will it go?
    1. Gendy
      Gendy 1 February 2022 16: 43
      +4
      In ldnr, tankers are constantly taught at firing. What are the constant reports about? It turns out that only during the exercises the trunks were already staggered ... Plus, the turnover of personnel and often with training is groundhog day.
      1. Vadim237
        Vadim237 1 February 2022 17: 36
        0
        Maybe the production of barrels in Ukraine has already been established not only for tanks, but also for artillery.
        1. Lara Croft
          Lara Croft 2 February 2022 20: 37
          +1
          Quote: Vadim237
          Maybe the production of barrels in Ukraine has already been established not only for tanks, but also for artillery.

          The military-industrial complex of Ukraine just doesn’t know it, it’s a sin to laugh ...
          1. Vadim237
            Vadim237 4 February 2022 00: 28
            0
            The production of quite interesting large-caliber rifles from scratch chambered for 14.5 was established, as well as sniper cartridges for them, as well as the production of RPO and even volumetric detonating grenades, they created a guided projectile for Tornado, the Neptune anti-ship missile, they mastered the production of 152mm shells for the Hyacinth howitzer and the Stugna ATGM several thousand to the troops they sent it - which prevents them from setting up the production of barrels, especially now the military-industrial complex of Ukraine is in the bulk of the private sector, they need to survive, develop and earn money, and the specialists have not died out there are quite a lot of them left.
    2. Momento
      Momento 2 February 2022 00: 40
      +2
      Ukrainian barrels have an average of 150 shots. We have about 600.
      1. N3onMiami
        N3onMiami 5 February 2022 17: 47
        0
        share the source?
  12. Amateur
    Amateur 1 February 2022 16: 26
    -3
    Did the VO administration decide to continue experimenting with provocative articles?
    1. RomanovP
      RomanovP 2 February 2022 01: 39
      -2
      yes, there is a lot of rubbish here
  13. avib
    avib 1 February 2022 17: 41
    +5
    Ukrainians "vaabshche" do not talk about tanks or LND / DPR troops in the upcoming (???) conflict.
    The conversation is exclusively about Russian tanks and in the context of defensive battles.
  14. iouris
    iouris 1 February 2022 17: 50
    +1
    It is necessary to make sure that neither anti-tank systems nor other means of the Armed Forces of Ukraine are ever used against the LDNR.
  15. Knell wardenheart
    Knell wardenheart 1 February 2022 18: 06
    +4
    The most budgetary solution here is to stuff equipment with means of setting up smoke and multispectral screens and use it as "dagger" as possible in defense. I personally don't see any other options.
  16. svoit
    svoit 1 February 2022 18: 20
    +2
    Quote: sergo1914
    Accuracy, accuracy, effective range ... The projectile flies, but not quite there,

    Actually, all this should be taken into account by a ballistic computer, otherwise why is it there ...
    1. spirit
      spirit 1 February 2022 19: 00
      +3
      Actually, all this should be taken into account by a ballistic computer, otherwise why is it there ...

      Here it is. It’s as if tanks only came up with yesterday and didn’t know about the problems. One well-known German at one time shot an entire American column on his tank, having spent the entire BC, and no mistakes stopped him all in the bull’s-eye hi
    2. vl903
      vl903 1 February 2022 21: 51
      0
      Quote: svoit
      Quote: sergo1914
      Accuracy, accuracy, effective range ... The projectile flies, but not quite there,

      Actually, all this should be taken into account by a ballistic computer, otherwise why is it there ...

      the ballistic computer works on a serviceable barrel. it doesn't work for scrap metal
  17. Mustached Kok
    Mustached Kok 1 February 2022 18: 53
    +7
    I don't quite agree with the tone of the article. But I will note the truth that the army of Ukraine has been actively preparing for the last 6 years. The number of anti-tank systems in the army is already more than tanks and infantry fighting vehicles in the LDNR. Even taking into account not a 100% chance of defeat (let's say 25-30%), such an amount, with active use, can significantly reduce the number of armored vehicles. And it is quite capable, in defense, to slow down or even stop the counteroffensive of the LDNR armored vehicles a couple of times. But the main thing is that Ukraine has not only anti-tank systems, over the past 6 years, it has replenished the stock of artillery, bombs, shells and launchers. Even without the javelins, she still has plenty of anti-tank weapons.
    The irony is that the equipment of the LDNR army was replenished while the fighting was going on and it could capture equipment and repair its own on the details of its own or Ukrainian equipment. But the lull going on for 6 years - the LDNR brought less than the first 2 active years of the war. And Ukraine, on the contrary, lost more in active 2014 and 2015. But since 2016, he has been confidently updating and replenishing his arsenal - because he can!
    1. Momento
      Momento 2 February 2022 00: 43
      0
      even if the Ukrainians are lucky and they knock out all 500 tanks of the LPR, no one doubts that another 500 will be dug in the mines in the LPR?)
      1. Vadim237
        Vadim237 4 February 2022 00: 32
        +1
        Here the question is different, will 1500 more crew members be dug up for these new 500 tanks if the old 500 tanks, along with the crews, are destroyed?
  18. svoit
    svoit 1 February 2022 19: 46
    +3
    Quote: Amateur
    Did the VO administration decide to continue experimenting with provocative articles?

    The article "Russia's retaliatory move" has been successfully removed (out of harm's way)
    Quote: Mustachioed Kok
    Even without the javelins, she still has plenty of anti-tank weapons.

    When they write about anti-tank systems, they often do not mention the real saturation of them in the troops and the availability of trained operators. After all, until recently, they were in the training center and at the training ground, partly in warehouses, how many of them were transferred directly to the linear units (and how many of their own anti-tank systems - Stugna, Fagot, Korsar) in the Armed Forces of Ukraine?
    1. Vadim237
      Vadim237 4 February 2022 00: 38
      -1
      Since 3000, at least 2016 APUs have been transferred to Stugn + 2200 NLAW + 500 launching Javelins and more than 1500 missiles for them - now Lithuania will transfer Javelins Stingers and the USA will send another 45 aircraft with weapons.
  19. Mikhail Sidorov
    Mikhail Sidorov 1 February 2022 21: 00
    +7
    Empty article. About the degree of danger. Jewelins are dangerous and everything and everything is informative. I thought there would be an analysis, some ideas ....
    1. RomanovP
      RomanovP 2 February 2022 01: 49
      +3
      this is not an article, it's just stuff
  20. Berg berg
    Berg berg 1 February 2022 23: 36
    +2
    And what is the response degree of danger for Ukrainian tanks Russian Kornets or Chrysanthemums, which will be delivered to the LDNR from South Abkhazia?
  21. onstar9
    onstar9 2 February 2022 07: 55
    -6
    The situation turns out to be strange. Russia has gathered 150 people and thousands of pieces of equipment on the border in Ukraine .... and the "aggressor" about to attack is Ukraine. Ukraine, which is a hundred times weaker than Russia, "wants to attack Russia" ... Great ....
    1. Glory1974
      Glory1974 2 February 2022 08: 52
      +2
      Russia has gathered 150 people and thousands of pieces of equipment on the border in Ukraine .... and the "aggressor" about to attack is Ukraine.

      Ukraine also received defensive weapons, for example, from England, grenade launchers for firing at dugouts. They are probably waiting for the dugouts to go on the attack.
    2. VSO-396
      VSO-396 2 February 2022 21: 51
      -2
      What are you? Do you read Russian sites? And you don’t even watch Skabeev and Solovyov?
    3. Berg berg
      Berg berg 4 February 2022 21: 48
      +2
      Everything is very simple, the terrorists of the Armed Forces of Ukraine must withdraw their military equipment from the border with Russia to the same distance as the Russian one, according to NATO, this is 400 kilometers!
  22. Baron pardus
    Baron pardus 2 February 2022 08: 30
    +3
    All this is talk in favor of the poor, according to the OBS intelligence agency. The DNR and LNR simply do not have enough strike formations to go on a serious offensive. So the LPR / DPR will simply not undertake serious attacks unless they are forced to. But if Russia interferes, then no Javelins will help Ukraine. Naturally, if Russia acts like the United States: a mass attack with cruise missiles and guided bombs on advanced positions, and most importantly infrastructure, after that, no Javelins will help. But it would be very nice if several Javelins and several British RPGs were in the hands of the Russian Army.
    I am not a strategist and do not consider myself an expert, but I am absolutely sure that the Banderlogs will arrange a provocation (like the USA in the Gulf of Tonkin: that is, no one will attack them, but they will yell that they have attacked), or really dressing up a couple of dozen of their scumbags they will arrange an attack on their own checkpoint (as their ideological teachers, the Nazis, did), and then they will kill these same scumbags (no one needs witnesses), after a provocation they will raise a howl and attack the DPR / LPR, after which Russia simply will have no choice: either show that they are abandoning their allies, since they abandoned both the leaders of the GDR and the Serbs at one time, or thoroughly trample Banderlogs into pig manure (which the Banderlogs deserved back in 1942-52), and receive sanctions, finding themselves in the same economic blockade as the USSR in 20s-30s, while having neither Stalin nor the people who believe in something other than consumerism. Either way, the US wins. They sacrifice their underachievement - banderlogia, and get the political situation they want: either Russia exposes itself as a coward abandoning its citizens and allies, or Russia exposes itself as an "aggressor". And the roots of this problem is that in 2014, Russia was afraid to go further than Crimea. Again, I'm not an expert, just my humble opinion.
    1. Lara Croft
      Lara Croft 2 February 2022 21: 10
      +3
      Quote: Baron Pardus
      intelligence agency data

      It is enough to read one WIKI and understand that all the combined arms formations and units of the People's Republics of Donbass are reduced and understaffed in military and military equipment .... the territory of the republics is not prepared in engineering terms for defense, exercises on mobilization readiness and coherence of troops united by a single plan are not conducted, those who received Russian passports (if he is not a pensioner) dumped in the Russian Federation ....
      The DNR and LNR simply do not have enough strike formations to go on a serious offensive.

      What offensive and where, back to the front? Their task is to die on the outskirts of Donetsk and Luhansk, having managed to call the Headquarters of the Southern Military District about the nix ...
      and Serbs at one time

      this is when the Serbs were the last allies under the Union? B. Tito "showed his teeth" until the very death of the USSR, and they became our "brothers" after 1999, and it was not the Russians who handed over Milosevic to the Hague Tribunal, but his people ....

      "Allies" of the Russian Federation - these are countries that are on the verge of death, before that they are countries / peoples with a multi-vector policy .... indicating (with condescension) about their possible friendship with the Russian Federation ....
  23. RED_ICE
    RED_ICE 2 February 2022 13: 03
    +3
    At first I didn’t understand, then I didn’t understand either ... .. what’s what in the article?
  24. TermNachTer
    TermNachTer 2 February 2022 13: 27
    -1
    The same can be said about the Banderaffen. There, too, is not a kit, but what is included in the kit is all sorts of garbage. Stealing anything that can be stolen is no exception to this rule. But this is all secondary. The question of all questions - where are these miracle anti-tank systems? The fact that they were transferred to the troops, I will never believe in my life. They would have been stolen and sold long ago, and the money was spent on drink. Those. they are located, somewhere in more or less serious warehouses, where there is at least some kind of accounting and security. Those. these are warehouses not even at the brigade level. Now the attention is the question - will they have time to get it in warehouses and take it to the front line? Or will they be needed sooner?
    1. Vadim237
      Vadim237 2 February 2022 15: 16
      -2
      Most likely, the national battalions were put there and the control was tough so that no one would sell anything - but to whom they can sell this is not old Soviet rubbish from warehouses where there was no such accounting.
      1. TermNachTer
        TermNachTer 2 February 2022 18: 56
        +1
        Who told you such nonsense?))) What kind of discipline can there be in a gang for which a trip to the Donbass is a way to make money, and not to protect their beloved Banderland))))
        1. VSO-396
          VSO-396 2 February 2022 22: 11
          -1
          Your reasoning touches me. And how has the APU still not fled?
          1. TermNachTer
            TermNachTer 4 February 2022 18: 50
            +1
            And it is running away))) more than 130 snouts did not return from the New Year holidays, and these are only those that were reported "to the top". And how long is "hanging". And this is not a Banderaffen, but about national bands, for which "discipline" is such a dirty word. However, the same can be said about ukroSS.
        2. Vadim237
          Vadim237 4 February 2022 00: 46
          -1
          Anyone who tries to sell their own will be slammed or locked up in a prison - they used to sell everything in a row until 2016, now this topic is mostly closed for the issued units of utyrya head answer.
          1. TermNachTer
            TermNachTer 4 February 2022 18: 51
            +1
            And if you attach a Russian passport and a new face to a million dollars?)))
            1. VSO-396
              VSO-396 4 February 2022 19: 23
              -4
              The Russian Federation is not the states, you will have to look back all your life.
              1. TermNachTer
                TermNachTer 4 February 2022 20: 30
                +1
                Do you think information is not sold in the USA? It all depends on the fullness of the poured glass.
                1. VSO-396
                  VSO-396 4 February 2022 21: 20
                  -2
                  For sale of course. But civil servants are always under the hood there, first of all, their accounts. And even if you pay in cash, he will not be able to spend it - all financial transactions are in plain sight.
                  1. TermNachTer
                    TermNachTer 4 February 2022 21: 30
                    +1
                    Ames managed to get around these difficulties for almost 20 years. It is not at all necessary to live in the USA, he received money and left for Australia (New Zealand).
                    1. VSO-396
                      VSO-396 4 February 2022 23: 38
                      -3
                      20 years ago, not everyone had the Internet, not to mention credit cards. Now everything is being monitored.
                      1. TermNachTer
                        TermNachTer 5 February 2022 11: 49
                        +1
                        that's why Geyropa wants to give up 500 euro bills, because she is not monitored.
  25. Mikhail Pitersky
    Mikhail Pitersky 2 February 2022 16: 19
    -4
    Javelin is a defensive weapon. His danger to the attacking side. DLNR is not going to attack and attack, p.e. it is useless metal for the defending side. And for defense, the DLNR has a number of effective means .... Air defense, electronic warfare. Although all this is not advertised.
  26. Comrade Kim
    Comrade Kim 2 February 2022 17: 13
    -2
    Quote: Old Tankman
    And such couch experts only powder their brains

    They should be attached to the turrets of the Donbass tanks and see what rating they will give when the Java begins to dive on the tank.
    For good, it is necessary to redeem javaelins from the Hoclopithecus, unfortunately there is no other way to counteract them yet.
    1. Sanichsan
      Sanichsan 3 February 2022 00: 29
      +1
      Quote: Comrade Kim
      For good, it is necessary to redeem javaelins from the Hoclopithecus, unfortunately there is no other way to counteract them yet.

      why not? But what about the soldiers of the Armed Forces of Ukraine? Recently, two javelins were shot into milk normally. didn’t get anywhere and the floor of the lyama greens was as unprecedented. good
  27. tank64rus
    tank64rus 2 February 2022 17: 45
    0
    Just give them new weapons, for example, TOSs and specialists to help even send repair kits from UVZ. And here all the inhabitants of Londongrad are afraid for their loot. Johnson has already frightened them, this is the most powerful weapon of the West. And Javelin is one of the many ATGMs and everything else is from the evil one.
    1. Zaurbek
      Zaurbek 2 February 2022 23: 05
      -1
      Yes, only the Arabs of the left will not be wetted, but the same Orthodox.
      1. Sanichsan
        Sanichsan 3 February 2022 00: 31
        +1
        Quote: Zaurbek
        but the same Orthodox.

        definitely orthodox? Bandera is like European-oriented Catholics? not? the Pope forgave them as good Catholics. now live in Canada.
        1. Zaurbek
          Zaurbek 3 February 2022 11: 45
          -1
          Well, read about the ethnic and religious composition .... there are very few of these Catholics there .... and they are all probably in the National Battalions ...
          1. Sanichsan
            Sanichsan 3 February 2022 11: 56
            +4
            Quote: Zaurbek
            there are very few of these Catholics there .... and they are all probably in the National Battalions ...

            just the target audience soldier nazbaty same first head wet.
            and in general, this battle about the Orthodox, to put it mildly, is outdated, and it has never been relevant. they remembered when their own ass was on fire or they were about to bite someone else's. and so the whole history and keep in slavery and go to war in general norms. when was serfdom abolished there? and something did not bother anyone that the serfs were the same Orthodox ...
            1. Zaurbek
              Zaurbek 3 February 2022 12: 04
              +3
              If we turn to the experience of the Second World War, it is precisely these passengers who really do not like to fight with the regular army ...... their landmark is the civilian population and punitive functions.
  28. failure
    failure 2 February 2022 20: 21
    +1
    Well... the forces of the LPR-DPR just need to dig up the Lancet UAV in the mines in a more or less acceptable amount.
  29. Zaurbek
    Zaurbek 2 February 2022 23: 04
    +1
    This is a complex issue .... as the war in the SAR and ATGMs of the 2nd generation showed ... .. even with air supremacy, they are dangerous .... But there is their logistics, storage, etc…..
  30. NSV
    NSV 2 February 2022 23: 31
    +2
    Well done author! Very competently, and on the shelves !!! Now the Armed Forces of Ukraine, this is not 2014 ... the army !!! There is no need to engage in hat-throwing !!! This is still small, but .... Army !!!! You can even teach a monkey to ride a bicycle !!! And even more so. ..our compatriots!!!!
  31. Mikle
    Mikle 3 February 2022 10: 46
    -3
    At least someone will explain to me the meaning of the existence of these republics. Is life good there?
    The picture in which the unemployed are caught to recruit the armed forces and people are rushing to the front line to feed their families does not seem attractive to me.
    1. Zaurbek
      Zaurbek 3 February 2022 11: 46
      +2
      They cannot live well ... and not there and not there. and shoot at them.
      1. Mikle
        Mikle 3 February 2022 15: 04
        -3
        It is hard to argue that 10, 20 and 50 km from the border on the Ukrainian side people live noticeably better than those on the republican side. This is especially noticeable in the number of refugees on both sides of the border.
        Of course, you can blame Bandera and Zelensky for this, but it smacks of hypocrisy.
        1. Zaurbek
          Zaurbek 3 February 2022 15: 36
          +1
          That large part, as always, is the fault of the Russian Federation ..... the same topic is in Abkhazia and South Ossetia .... there is a common border, there is no business.
  32. Kostadinov
    Kostadinov 3 February 2022 18: 19
    -1
    The results of the use of Javelin anti-tank systems by the Armed Forces of Ukraine in the event of a Ukrainian offensive will really disappoint the Ukrainian command, because at the moment there are practically no combat-ready tank forces in the People's Militia.

    Counteraction is then very simple and accessible. Tanks without ammo, valuable equipment and with minimal fuel and one driver but with extra protection will slowly move or stand still and let them be hit by Javelins as much as possible.
  33. Berg berg
    Berg berg 4 February 2022 21: 45
    +2
    Is it equivalent to cover the terrorists - Javelins with a volley from Soltsepek on the principle of destroying all the terrorists of the Armed Forces of Ukraine that you see from satellites and drones without entering! Will the LDNR lease modern military equipment from Russia!?
  34. place
    place 5 February 2022 17: 15
    +2
    And what, the author teaches the leadership of the republics how they should properly resist the NATO bloc? Otherwise, they themselves don’t understand ..... here it is, c.l.m.n. ... stupid .... They would take it, and they would make their Javelins ..... like Britain.
    Javelin - a weapon against advancing tanks. And whose tanks will actually attack first? It seems to me that if it comes to a retaliatory tank attack, those who are "hiding in the bushes" will become uncomfortable, since they will be far from their own. Or will they be left behind for cover, like Chapaev-Petka? And if we are talking about battles in cities, then it is not very clear why other anti-tank systems are worse here?
  35. Jimmy
    Jimmy 9 February 2022 20: 14
    +1
    The war is won not by javelins or stealth or aircraft carriers. The war is won by motivated warriors. What is the motivation of the Armed Forces of Ukraine? It is enough to remember the years 14-16, when they surrendered in droves, not wanting to fight. Do you think something has changed now? And no matter how the information machine whips up hysteria around Russia's attack on Ukraine, this will not add motivation to them. Let's take the other side. Is there does a simple miner who lost his loved ones during the bombing of the Armed Forces of Ukraine have motivation? There is nothing to think about. The facts speak for themselves - Ilovaisk, Debaltseve, Airport. with whom he doesn’t want to. There is only a bunch of corrupt freaks ready for bucks and a place on Hawaiian beaches to destroy their country. And Ukraine itself is mostly inhabited by Russians, because. Ukraine is woven from Russian territories. Therefore, pen-sy with geyropa are afraid to start a war there, the trustworthy population in Ukraine is no longer supported. They will not support them and will defect back to Russia, as Crimea did and Donbass is trying to do. "A lot of money. If a war happens and the people of Ukraine will throw off the henchmen of the geyropa from the throne and go over to the side of Russia, for the Pentagon it will not just be a disaster, it's a loss of image, which means the loss of a market for their weapons around the world. Who needs a weapon with which all wars are lost? So don’t think that the Pentagon will pump Ukraine with serious weapons. And javelins are scary only when you are in a trench and a tank is nearby. and Russia at any moment can supply the Donbass with the weapons they need. This is already being talked about in the lobby of the authorities. So there will be no war. Sleep well.