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State tests of RTO "Cyclone" project 22800 "Karakurt" began in the Black Sea

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The newest small missile ship "Cyclone" of project 22800 "Karakurt", built in Kerch for the Black Sea fleet, began passing state tests. This was reported by the press service of the fleet.


According to the report, RTOs went to sea to undergo state tests. On board the ship are the crew, the commissioning team and the state commission, whose tasks will be to check the ship for compliance with all requirements. In total, the Cyclone will make several trips to the sea, a month is allotted for testing. After their completion, the ship will undergo revision and final painting work.

Nothing has yet been announced about the timing of the acceptance of RTOs into the fleet, but most likely, given the start of state tests, the ceremony of raising the Andreevsky flag will take place in March or April, the ship will become part of the 41st Guards Brigade of missile ships of the Black Sea Fleet.

MRK "Cyclone" is the first "Karakurt" fully built at the "Zaliv" shipyard in Kerch. It was laid down in 2016, launched in July last year, and then completed afloat. At present, the company is completing the construction of two more RTOs of this project - "Askold" and "Amur". All three "Karakurt" are intended for the Black Sea Fleet.

RTOs of this project have a length of 67 meters, a width of 11 meters and a draft of 4 meters. Displacement - about 800 tons, cruising range - up to 2500 miles, autonomy - 15 days. The main armament is one UKKSK (universal ship complex) 3X14 missile launcher on the 8 KR Caliber, one 76-mm AK-176MA gun mount, ZRAK Panzir-M, two 14.5-mm or 12,7-mm machine-gun mounts MTTPU.
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  1. neurostimulator
    neurostimulator 28 January 2022 12: 20
    +9
    Good news. More often such news would take place.
    1. Aerodrome
      Aerodrome 28 January 2022 13: 43
      -18
      Quote: Neurostimulator
      Good news. More often such news would take place.
      you will see ... if the Chinese batteries are dragged during ...
      1. neurostimulator
        neurostimulator 28 January 2022 13: 47
        +4
        I saw and remember another Russia .. without Chinese batteries and the need to look at the dollar. You need to get back to normal.
        The road will be mastered by the walking one, which I already wrote about. Let him swim with the Chinese for now, not the American ones - it’s already good.
        1. Aerodrome
          Aerodrome 28 January 2022 14: 02
          -13
          Quote: Neurostimulator
          I saw and remember another Russia
          you can't.. by definition.. or you whatever it is..."Highlander"then...adrian paul. like ... yes "mihan" ... we saw a different country, but right now, a different paradigm.
          1. neurostimulator
            neurostimulator 28 January 2022 14: 04
            0
            Not a highlander, but a pensioner, for several years now. Soon I will grow a beard and then it will be possible to go and sign up for the highlanders.
          2. Crabong
            Crabong 28 January 2022 14: 15
            -10
            The other is not different, but the military shipbuilding in Russia is now below the plinth ...
            1. neurostimulator
              neurostimulator 28 January 2022 15: 16
              +4
              And yet, oops! - and a new RTO in service tongue
              That's when "Belgorod" is completed to the end, then you write again about shipbuilding, express your opinion, and we will read it.
      2. konstantin68
        konstantin68 28 January 2022 20: 29
        -3
        Quote: Aerodrome
        see..

        No, son, you will see this and, God forbid, of course, you will learn on your own skin.
        1. neurostimulator
          neurostimulator 29 January 2022 17: 31
          -1
          Your statement, along the way, does not apply to me at all, and to what I see - also, moreover, unambiguously laughing
          At least look a little, to whom and about what you write ... and what kind of "age" there can be, in every sense of the word tongue
      3. standan
        standan 28 January 2022 22: 20
        +2
        Give a link about Chinese batteries, or tryndet not tossing bags? You, besides exuding excrement from yourself, can you meow something on the topic, or is your level only hardcore?
      4. businessv
        businessv 29 January 2022 11: 43
        0
        Quote: Aerodrome
        you will see ... if the Chinese batteries are dragged during ...
        Are we done with the production of batteries too? We buy? I just don’t know, but if we don’t produce it already, then I don’t even know what to call it!
    2. Alex777
      Alex777 28 January 2022 13: 55
      +4
      Yes, the news is good.
      Another maritime, mobile, missile platform is being prepared for
      adoption. For low intensity conflicts
      this is exactly what you need. Not very expensive, but very angry. bully
      1. neurostimulator
        neurostimulator 28 January 2022 14: 01
        0
        You can also arrange missile ambushes, for something bigger than RTOs. ... Small RTO with a deadly long right hand bully .
    3. smart ass
      smart ass 29 January 2022 17: 28
      0
      Great boat! 8 calibers, art installation and shell! Armed to the teeth with 800 tons!
  2. Romario_Argo
    Romario_Argo 28 January 2022 12: 26
    -6
    shorter, in fact
    loaded 8 SLCMs into UVP at RTOs
    1. URAL72
      URAL72 28 January 2022 12: 54
      +3
      in short, essentially
      loaded 8 SLCMs into UVP at RTOs


      Does Pantsir M not count at all?
      1. Romario_Argo
        Romario_Argo 28 January 2022 13: 01
        +1
        8 SLCM is the main caliber for the same calibers laughing
        ZRPK Pantsir-M is + 32 missiles
        total 40 in 800 tons of VI
        almost half of Arleigh Burke in BC but VI is 10 times smaller and cheaper
        1. Abrosimov Sergey Olegovich
          Abrosimov Sergey Olegovich 28 January 2022 14: 42
          0
          Quote: Romario_Argo
          almost half of Arleigh Burke in BC but VI is 10 times smaller and cheaper

          Yes, but the seaworthiness and autonomy and the limitation on the range for the use of missiles, alas, are not like Arlie Burke ... However, as an RTO and to fulfill the tasks of RTOs, it cannot be better
          1. Romario_Argo
            Romario_Argo 28 January 2022 15: 13
            -2
            Destroyers Arly Burke have not had sane supersonic anti-ship missiles at all since 2000
            only subsonic anti-ship missiles Harpoon with a range of 280 km.
            our subsonic anti-ship missile Uranus is already flying 500 km.
            MRK pr.22800 toothy boat of the near sea zone - with supersonic (!)
            1. ramzay21
              ramzay21 29 January 2022 09: 07
              +1
              Destroyers Arly Burke have not had sane supersonic anti-ship missiles at all since 2000
              only subsonic anti-ship missiles Harpoon with a range of 280 km.

              Wrong, they already have. Firstly, the new modification of the Tomahawk Block Va is already anti-ship missiles, with a range of more than 1600 km.
              Secondly, it is the supersonic SM-6, with a range of 460 km, which can be used both to intercept air targets and as anti-ship missiles. This rocket recently launched a decommissioned frigate to the bottom. And yet, the new version of the SM-6 Block IB is hypersonic.
              And RCC Harpoon is already in the past, forget it.
              1. nobody75
                nobody75 29 January 2022 11: 57
                0
                Don't you think that anti-ship missiles are a little different from missiles? Any ballistic missile is hypersonic. The tomahawk does not allow hitting ships that have at least some kind of air defense aerodynamic scheme ...
                Sincerely
                1. ramzay21
                  ramzay21 29 January 2022 19: 19
                  0
                  The SM-6 was originally designed to be used against ships and proved it in practice by sinking a frigate, so this is a fait accompli. The presence of missiles in cells that can be used both as missiles and as anti-ship missiles is a huge advantage, allowing the ship's commander to use them depending on the situation. The command of our fleet will also come to understand this, in 10-20 years. And the SM-6 is not a ballistic missile.

                  The Tomahawk Block Va will sink, for example, the RRC Moscow or the Varyag without much difficulty, simply because its Fort is not able to attack the incoming RCC at such a low altitude at which the Tomahawk will fly. Well, a simultaneous volley of 20 Tomahawks is not able to reflect any of our ships, especially since a lot of work has been done on the modifications of these missiles to reduce visibility and noise immunity to electronic warfare.
                  1. nobody75
                    nobody75 29 January 2022 19: 58
                    0
                    Are you all serious?
                    The SM-6 was originally designed to be used against ships and proved it in practice by sinking a frigate, so this is a fait accompli.

                    You see ... The anti-ship missile engine works until the ship is hit, and the solid-propellant zur engine - only in the active section. Therefore, Zur is not capable of making either a “hill” or a snake at a firing range of 400 km. Accordingly, she is not able to perform an anti-aircraft maneuver or redirect from the cloud of corner reflectors to the ship.
                    Sincerely
                    1. ramzay21
                      ramzay21 29 January 2022 21: 23
                      0
                      You see ... The anti-ship missile engine works until the ship is hit, and the solid-propellant zur engine - only in the active section.

                      It is for the Grad rocket that the engine only works on the active site, and then an uncontrolled flight, the missile defense system must maneuver with much greater overloads than anti-ship missiles in order to be able to shoot it down. And the SM-6 was created to be able to intercept Soviet supersonic and Chinese ballistic missiles, its latest modification is being created to intercept hypersonic targets, with the appropriate characteristics.
                      At least read what SM-6 is so you don’t write nonsense
                      1. nobody75
                        nobody75 29 January 2022 21: 59
                        0
                        And due to what the missile defense system maneuvers? And what about overloads? Can sm - 6 independently aim at a ship in conditions of interference? Can a search and selection of a target (which is not required to be radio-contrast) be carried out by its homing in the descending section of the trajectory? Will overload help or ... hinder? Maybe it's not for nothing that cruise missiles are called "cruise"?
                        Sincerely
                      2. ramzay21
                        ramzay21 30 January 2022 03: 40
                        0
                        You can read everything yourself
                        https://missilethreat.csis.org/defsys/sm-6/
                        https://www.raytheonmissilesanddefense.com/capabilities/products/sm6-missile
                        https://topwar.ru/182465-sm-6-protiv-giperzvuka-vozmozhnye-perspektivy-razvitija-pro-ssha.html
                      3. nobody75
                        nobody75 30 January 2022 08: 35
                        0
                        Thank you, I read it ... Unfortunately, there are no answers to my questions there ... But how can I change the sm 6 flight profile when shooting at 150 miles?
                        Sincerely
              2. Romario_Argo
                Romario_Argo 31 January 2022 10: 00
                0
                from everything you described, there is nothing sane
                Ax he remained Ax subsonic
                SM-6 460 km - and Berks are taken into sight already from 750-900 km.
                ZGRSL Monolith, Mineral, Monument stand on corvettes, frigates and even RTOs
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                2. ramzay21
                  ramzay21 1 February 2022 09: 48
                  0
                  Ax he remained Ax subsonic

                  The Ax of the 1980s differs from the Ax of 2020 as the VAZ 2106 from the Toyota Camry of 2020 and they have only the name in common
                  A volley of 10 such Axes will not reflect any of our ships, even the most modern air defense system Poliment Redoubt of our most modern frigate can fire only 4 targets on one course and detect anti-ship missiles with an EPR of 0,02 m² at a height of 5 m with an antenna post height of 21 m radar Poliment will be able at best for 15 km
                  SM-6 460 km - and Berks are taken into sight already from 750-900 km.

                  And what kind of radar station are you going to take Arleigh Burke for 900 km to aim at?
                  1. Romario_Argo
                    Romario_Argo 1 February 2022 17: 08
                    0
                    And what kind of radar station are you going to take Arleigh Burke for 900 km to aim at?

                    for those who are in the tank site NPP Typhoon over-the-horizon radar Monolith, Mineral, Monument
                    Radar Poliment will be able at best for 15 km

                    hardware processing on Berks 8 seconds
                    at pr.
                    about Poliment and BIUS it's like an ACS Foundation overwhelmed - I'll keep silent for now
                    but it won't be that interesting

                    Everyone clings to 4 targets and 8 missiles from 1 canvas - so be it for now
                    10 Axes even from 10 km. calmly intercept 8 ZUR 9M96 and 1 ZPRK Broadsword with 2 channels
                    But even earlier, Burke will be destroyed by a salvo of Onyx anti-ship missiles from a distance of 700 km. - ZGRLS Monolith in passive mode (these are the export performance characteristics of Typhoon)
                    1. ramzay21
                      ramzay21 1 February 2022 21: 57
                      0
                      And what kind of radar station are you going to take Arleigh Burke for 900 km to aim at?

                      for those who are in the tank site NPP Typhoon over-the-horizon radar Monolith, Mineral, Monument

                      Especially for you. Take aim, which means the target must be detected, identified, and the missile weapon must be issued by the control center. Give me a link to the capabilities of any of our shipborne radars for detecting, identifying and issuing target designations for missile weapons at a distance of 900 km, as you say.
                      But even earlier, Burke will be destroyed by a salvo of Onyx anti-ship missiles from a distance of 700 km. - ZGRLS Monolith in passive mode (these are the export performance characteristics of Typhoon)

                      Do you understand what the passive mode of operation of the radar is and what it can detect?
                      Especially for uryapatriots living in the world of fantasy and the absence of the laws of physics. In this mode, the radar detects the operation of electronic devices and if they work the same as they should work on a warship, then the radar shows that you have detected a warship. But you show me such idiots who in a combat situation will behave the same way as in peacetime, for example, the Americans could operate in the 80s with the whole AUG in radio silence mode, in which it is impossible to detect targets in the passive mode of the radar. And if they install a radar station simulating the operation of a warship on an oil tanker or a passenger ship under a neutral flag and you drown it, what will you do?
                      Sufficient data can be obtained from a radar operating in active mode, and in this mode the detection range of surface destroyer-type targets is a maximum of 250 km, but this range is based on miracles called "drive waveguide" and "super-refraction". As a rule, miracles happen in conditions when the air temperature at the surface of the water is lower than at a certain height from it. As the temperature changes, the density and refractive index of air change. As a result, the propagation of VHF radio waves over the horizon is possible, according to the developers, up to ~ 250 km. The aforementioned miracles are found in the Russian Federation in the summer and in southern latitudes. All this usually happens in the morning. And what will you do in the Barents Sea, in the fall and at lunchtime, when the detection range will be limited by the radio horizon, that is, 50-60 km, and even if the enemy does not use electronic warfare, but he will use it in combat conditions?
                      I hope we are done with fairy tales about detecting surface targets 900 km away.
                      1. Romario_Argo
                        Romario_Argo 3 February 2022 16: 26
                        0
                        I hope we are done with fairy tales about detecting surface targets 900 km away.

                        this is not a fairy tale but reality
                        The US Navy recognizes this and keeps its distance
                        call the sales department of NPP Typhoon, ask them for promotional materials
                        they are also used by Rosoboronexport
                      2. ramzay21
                        ramzay21 5 February 2022 02: 24
                        -1
                        this is not a fairy tale but reality

                        These are fairy tales for uryapatriots
                        The US Navy recognizes this and keeps its distance

                        Do not deceive yourself and others, they have nothing to fear and they do what they want, or should you be reminded of the British Defender, who entered our territorial waters and did whatever he wanted there? Or about the destroyer John McCain, which entered our territorial waters in the Sea of ​​Japan? And how many times over the past 30 years have our ships violated their borders?
                        call the sales department of NPP Typhoon, ask them for promotional materials

                        In a previous post, I wrote to you in detail about these advertising figures. These radars can detect the radiation of a destroyer up to 700 km, but only even larger ones can expect to fight against us, who will not use radio silence and will not use electronic warfare. And only such full ones can consider that the whole world, because having exactly such radars, even of much better quality, and the Americans and the Chinese and the Japanese and the British and the French and the Turks and Indians buy AWACS aircraft and the Americans, Chinese and French also built aircraft carriers with these same AWACS aircraft.
                        I have a simple question for you. And what do they have, do they have exactly the same antennas?
                    2. ramzay21
                      ramzay21 1 February 2022 22: 00
                      -1
                      hardware processing on Berks 8 seconds
                      at pr.

                      On our ships now there is not a single CIUS similar to the American Aegis, created by them in the 80s, and further we can say nothing about our CIUS.
                      1. Romario_Argo
                        Romario_Argo 3 February 2022 16: 23
                        0
                        The Sigma-22350 CICS, installed on Project 22350, has, firstly, a completely new digital system for transmitting incoming information, which turns the frigate into a single "living combat organism", where a clear distribution of targets is made between the air defense systems according to their degree of danger ( priorities).


                        https://topwar.ru/63777-oblik-radiolokacionnogo-osnascheniya-admirala-gorshkova.html
                      2. ramzay21
                        ramzay21 5 February 2022 02: 05
                        -1
                        CICS Sigma is not able to exchange data with other ships, aircraft, helicopters and sonar buoys, process the information received and issue control centers for the most dangerous targets to different weapon carriers, it is not able to turn a detachment of ships, helicopters, PLO and AWACS aircraft into a single living organism. And Aegis could do it in 1983, because this system is even on Japanese destroyers, although they are trying to set their electronic systems to the maximum, the Chinese do not have such a system, and even more so with us.
                        Sigma is a big step forward for our ships that had a "farm" radar system, but it is very far from Aegis.
          2. konstantin68
            konstantin68 28 January 2022 20: 31
            -4
            Quote: Abrosimov Sergey Olegovich
            Yes, but also seaworthiness and autonomy and a range limit for the use of missiles

            everything is so, but Russia is not a maritime power, I dare say.
            1. Romario_Argo
              Romario_Argo 8 February 2022 10: 05
              0
              Russia and not a sea power

              SF
              1 TARK pr. 1144 Peter the Great costs 2 AUG
              1 RK project 1164 and 2 Frigate project 22350 + 1 nuclear submarine project 949 or 855 costs another 2 AUG
              but the US Navy does not have 4 AUGs in the North Atlantic
              - only max 2
              Pacific Fleet
              1 RK project 1164 and 2 BOD project 1155 + 1 nuclear submarine project 949 = 2 AUG
              BSF
              1 RK project 1164 + 3 Frigate project 11356 = 1 AUG
              At the same time, the US Navy can keep no more than 6 AUGs on the database
              We just do not have parity in the Indian Ocean for 1 AUG
              and so in fact we stop 5 AUG out of 6
          3. Romario_Argo
            Romario_Argo 31 January 2022 09: 55
            0
            I agree. draft is small at RTOs,
            but RTOs are not MPCs; they don’t have a shackle HAK
            so it's all fluff
        2. ramzay21
          ramzay21 29 January 2022 08: 45
          0
          ZRPK Pantsir-M is + 32 missiles

          Actually 8 missiles + 32 in stock
          almost half of Arleigh Burke in BK

          In fact, if 96 RIM-4M Sea Sparrow missiles are loaded into 7 Arleigh Burke cells, which are of the same class as Pantsir missiles, but better in performance, then you get 384 missiles, which is 10 times more than on Karakurt
        3. smart ass
          smart ass 29 January 2022 17: 29
          0
          Aha, he can still walk along the rivers))
  3. Crabong
    Crabong 28 January 2022 12: 31
    -23
    Another coastal scow... That the speed is not even indicated... This one can even keep up with the English defender?
    1. slipped
      slipped 28 January 2022 12: 44
      +10
      Quote: Krabong
      Will this one even be able to keep up with the English defender?


      The missiles will catch up, don't even worry. laughing
      1. Crabong
        Crabong 28 January 2022 12: 48
        -13
        Then maybe you shouldn't bother with the construction of warships? Put container missile systems on barges, and that's all ...
        1. slipped
          slipped 28 January 2022 12: 50
          +1
          Quote: Krabong
          Put container complexes on barges, and that's all ...


          There is already a better offer, containers at the bottom of the sea around the perimeter and that's it. laughing
    2. Sandor Clegane
      Sandor Clegane 28 January 2022 12: 47
      +10
      Quote: Krabong
      Another coaster scow

      you will see a scow in the pond near the house fool
      1. Crabong
        Crabong 28 January 2022 12: 56
        -19
        What are you doing, boy?
        1. Sandor Clegane
          Sandor Clegane 28 January 2022 13: 04
          +8
          Quote: Krabong
          What are you doing, boy?

          I speak an understandable language for you, and by the way you will see a boy in the mirror
          1. Crabong
            Crabong 28 January 2022 13: 23
            -16
            Boy, try to use the frontal lobes ...
    3. dmmyak40
      dmmyak40 28 January 2022 12: 58
      +4
      Is it weak to tell the crew in person, or are they only brave on the site?
      1. Crabong
        Crabong 28 January 2022 13: 04
        -12
        What to say? Everyone understands that this is a very mediocre ship. Purely "coastal". With practically zero combat stability, little functionality ... And I have nothing to say to those sailors. They were entrusted with weapons - let them serve. Yes, and better than ours, they understand everything ...
        1. Sandor Clegane
          Sandor Clegane 28 January 2022 13: 20
          +3
          Quote: Krabong
          With almost zero combat stability,

          posting from the couch is one thing, but substantiating your words is not love
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        2. lucul
          lucul 28 January 2022 13: 30
          +5
          What to say? Everyone understands that this is a very mediocre ship. Purely "coastal".

          Where do they understand? )))))
          The British, Karakurtov are always cited as a standard, in terms of the ratio of striking power to its displacement)))
          1. Crabong
            Crabong 28 January 2022 13: 33
            -14
            Do not make me laugh.
            1. lucul
              lucul 28 January 2022 13: 40
              0
              Do not make me laugh.

              Well, don't make people laugh - I'm too lazy to look for links to which the Britons directly say this. There was even an article on the VO about the development of a promising frigate in Britain, where British experts cited Karakurt as a standard for striking combat power.
              1. Crabong
                Crabong 28 January 2022 14: 05
                -8
                I'm not an anglophile, more anglophobe. But, if they build such a pelvis ... I would bet you on a bottle of J&B English whiskey ...
                1. lucul
                  lucul 28 January 2022 14: 17
                  -3
                  I'm not an anglophile, more anglophobe. But, if they build such a pelvis ... I would bet you on a bottle of J&B English whiskey ...

                  Read here:
                  https://topwar.ru/190215-dlja-korablja-buduschego-vazhno-uchest-opyt-s-udarnymi-korvetami-rossii-v-britanskom-parlamente-nazvali-trebovanija-k-perspektivnomu-fregatu-type-32.html#comment-id-12018222
                  1. Crabong
                    Crabong 28 January 2022 14: 22
                    -4
                    The Britons have always had a strong navy. They will never build such fragile boats. Will this karakurt be able to reach Gibraltar from Sevastopol?
                    1. lucul
                      lucul 28 January 2022 14: 32
                      -2
                      The Britons have always had a strong navy. They will never build such fragile boats.

                      This is called inertial thinking.)))
                      Well, look, for example, the modern English destroyer Defender has a displacement of 8 tons and carries only 000 old Harpoon anti-ship missiles on board, and cannot work with missiles on the ground.
                      And Karakurt also carries 8, but the latest universal missiles that work both on the ground and against ships, and this with a displacement of only 800 tons.
                      Will this karakurt be able to reach Gibraltar from Sevastopol?

                      For this, there are project 20380 corvettes and project 22350 frigates.
                      1. Crabong
                        Crabong 28 January 2022 15: 12
                        -4
                        The fleet must be built! That's all I want to say! Ocean!
                      2. ramzay21
                        ramzay21 29 January 2022 09: 22
                        +1
                        Well, look, for example, the modern English destroyer Defender has a displacement of 8 tons and carries only 000 old Harpoon anti-ship missiles on board, and cannot work with missiles on the ground.
                        And Karakurt also carries 8, but the latest universal missiles that work both on the ground and against ships, and this with a displacement of only 800 tons.

                        Defender, in addition to 8 anti-ship missiles, has air defense and anti-aircraft defense, and Karakurt has no anti-aircraft defense at all and has very weak air defense. And what will happen to Karakurt if he meets any enemy submarine or two anti-ship missiles that attack him from different courses? That's right, there will be a heroically dead crew of a stupid ship.
                      3. lucul
                        lucul 29 January 2022 09: 50
                        +1
                        and Karakurt has no anti-aircraft defense at all and has very weak air defense.

                        We are talking about the shock capabilities of the ship.
                        With 800 tons of displacement, it is unrealistic to place a full-fledged air defense, anti-aircraft defense.
                      4. ramzay21
                        ramzay21 29 January 2022 21: 08
                        0
                        And why an attack ship that is not able to protect itself from the most common threats?
                        The MPK Albatros, with approximately the same displacement, has equipment for anti-aircraft defense, and this is on the technologies of the 80s.
                        If we add a little displacement to Karakurt, install modern GAKs, install our more powerful engines, install the TA Package and keep Pantsir-M on it, then we get a massive and inexpensive PLO corvette, with air defense capabilities, and it is precisely such a ship that is critically needed by all our fleets.
                        And the era of RTOs has passed, and this was clearly demonstrated by the Americans and the British in the 90s, drowning all the RTOs of the Iraqi Navy, shooting them with anti-ship missiles fired from helicopters, although they were much faster than Buyan-M and Karakurtov.
        3. bukhach
          bukhach 28 January 2022 14: 11
          -1
          And why is it bad as a ship of the near zone for inland seas? Small and bold, an aircraft carrier can sink, if you're lucky, of course. smile
          1. Crabong
            Crabong 28 January 2022 14: 18
            -10
            Let's do it this way - Russia is a Power. And the fleet must be appropriate! This boat is a disgrace.
            1. Dart2027
              Dart2027 28 January 2022 20: 38
              -2
              Quote: Krabong
              And the fleet must be appropriate!

              The cruiser at the World Cup has nothing to do. Large ships are certainly needed but in their place, and small ones in their own.
          2. Crabong
            Crabong 28 January 2022 14: 26
            -9
            This is a disgrace to our fleet. Our fleet, as the fleet of a world power, is obliged to project interests throughout the Ocean.
          3. ramzay21
            ramzay21 29 January 2022 09: 38
            +1
            The fact that he has nothing to carry out PLO, namely, inexpensive and massive PLO ships are very necessary for all our fleets, since we have practically no PLO even our bases and submarines from different countries are constantly at the exit from our bases and freely monitor all leaving from SSBN bases.
            If we increase the displacement of Karakurt, install modern GAS and leave Pantsir-M, then we will get the most necessary ship for our fleet, the PLO corvette, with the ability to counter enemy PLO aircraft. A large series of such ships will really strengthen the fleet, and will make it possible to fully carry out combat missions for our SSBNs and the submarine fleet.
        4. dmmyak40
          dmmyak40 28 January 2022 21: 55
          +1
          I look like that, did they forget about the scow "modestly" in the answer? Just a "blue thief" ... Be ashamed, I suppose ...
          The best ship is the one you serve on, even if it is a raid minesweeper or a tugboat.
          I see this is incomprehensible to you. Sorry, sorry. And now, the forest, my friend, the forest ...
    4. lucul
      lucul 28 January 2022 13: 36
      +3
      Will this one even be able to keep up with the English defender?

      The question was not posed correctly - the correct question is - will the English destroyer Defender be able to sink Karakurt with Pantsir-M on board? ))))
    5. Aerodrome
      Aerodrome 28 January 2022 13: 45
      -4
      Quote: Krabong
      ... That the speed is not even indicated ...

      as much hair back .. with a headwind ... why do you need it? I don't need...
    6. bayard
      bayard 28 January 2022 15: 04
      +1
      Quote: Krabong
      That the speed is not even indicated ...

      30 knots + .
      Quote: Krabong
      Will this one even be able to keep up with the English defender?

      This one can. And keep up, and sink, and make holes of various calibers.
      in fact - a small corvette with frigate strike weapons.
  4. TermNachTer
    TermNachTer 28 January 2022 12: 36
    +7
    The Kerch shipyard has finally started working, which is good news.
    1. Crabong
      Crabong 28 January 2022 12: 58
      -11
      At least they are building something ... Not so hot, of course ... But this is also pleasing.
      1. TermNachTer
        TermNachTer 28 January 2022 13: 18
        +6
        Taking into account the fact that during the banderlyade, the plant was simply "lying", then this is already something, this is already wow !!
    2. 210ox
      210ox 28 January 2022 14: 02
      +1
      Well, he made it six years ago. And under what circumstances did he make corps to Turkey. Although if you look from a quadrocopter, there is such devastation in Kerch ..
    3. bayard
      bayard 28 January 2022 15: 15
      0
      Quote: TermNachTER
      The Kerch shipyard has finally started working, which is good news.

      Yes, these RTOs would have already all been handed over, if only they produced at least two sets of diesel engines (3 pieces in each - high-speed stars) of power plants per year. But it seems like the launch of mass production is on the way. And then Pella already has a bunch of "Karakurts" waiting for the power plant buildings.
  5. The Dragon
    The Dragon 28 January 2022 12: 44
    +1
    Comrades, explain to an amateur (me) why on karakurts part of the body is painted with black paint?
    1. lis-ik
      lis-ik 28 January 2022 12: 56
      -2
      Quote: Serpent Gorynych
      Comrades, explain to an amateur (me) why on karakurts part of the body is painted with black paint?

      Not only on "Karakurt", to disguise the silhouette of the ship, but I could be wrong.
      1. Barberry25
        Barberry25 28 January 2022 13: 24
        0
        exhausts .. so that carbon deposits are not visible
    2. Crabong
      Crabong 28 January 2022 13: 01
      -5
      So that the smoky elements were not visible by the exhaust of the engines.
      1. lis-ik
        lis-ik 28 January 2022 13: 03
        -2
        Quote: Krabong
        So that the smoky elements were not visible by the exhaust of the engines.

        I also heard about it, but why don't they do it on civilians then?
        1. Crabong
          Crabong 28 January 2022 13: 14
          -5
          Power plants are different. Exhaust outlet is different.
    3. Xnumx vis
      Xnumx vis 28 January 2022 18: 02
      0
      On karakurts, just like the MPK (small anti-submarine ship), the exhaust gases exhausted by diesel engines go into the water. If you pay attention, there is no chimney on the deck.
  6. Alexfly
    Alexfly 28 January 2022 12: 57
    -17
    In short, they put several rackets on the patrol boat and called it all RTOs ....... Still, an interesting idea about barges ...
    1. The Dragon
      The Dragon 28 January 2022 13: 02
      +4
      In fairness, it should be said that "22800" against the background of "21160" does not seem so meaningless.
    2. Nastia makarova
      Nastia makarova 28 January 2022 13: 02
      +1
      envy the Ukrainian
      1. Alexfly
        Alexfly 28 January 2022 13: 17
        -7
        Auntie, you are deeply mistaken... I'm born in the USSR
        1. Vlad69
          Vlad69 28 January 2022 13: 32
          +3
          "I was born" will be more literate.
          1. Alexfly
            Alexfly 28 January 2022 13: 36
            -1
            NEA, this is also used ... I'm still alive .. pah-tfu-tfu
            1. Vlad69
              Vlad69 28 January 2022 13: 39
              +2
              In this case, it's not appropriate. I'm born is the present indefinite passive voice.
              1. Alexfly
                Alexfly 28 January 2022 21: 17
                -1
                absolutely appropriate use, used in colloquial language everywhere
            2. Vlad69
              Vlad69 28 January 2022 13: 40
              +4
              And the fact of birth in the past in the USSR is not acceptable.
    3. Flooding
      Flooding 28 January 2022 13: 28
      0
      Quote: AlexFly
      In short, they put several rackets on the patrol boat and called it all RTOs

      Displacement - about 800 tons, cruising range - up to 2500 miles, autonomy - 15 days
      a missile boat is traditionally called
      basically a corvette
      patrol boats are much smaller in displacement
      1. Xnumx vis
        Xnumx vis 28 January 2022 17: 47
        +1
        Quote: Flood
        a missile boat is traditionally called

        MRK - Small Rocket Coral. MRK - Samum ...
        and there is RK Missile Boat ---
        1. Flooding
          Flooding 28 January 2022 18: 17
          +1
          Quote: 30 vis
          RK Missile Boat

          thanks for the amendment
          you are absolutely right
    4. lucul
      lucul 28 January 2022 13: 34
      -2
      In short, they put several rackets on the patrol boat and called it all RTOs ....... Still, an interesting idea about barges ...

      When Zircons are installed on it, and the AUG will not want to approach this "barge" closer than 1 km)))
    5. Alexey Koshkarov
      Alexey Koshkarov 28 January 2022 21: 21
      0
      I read somewhere that you can put containers with shock and anti-aircraft missiles on an ordinary container ship. Among the proud Britons, during the Falklands conflict, light aircraft carriers were made from container ships
  7. sen
    sen 28 January 2022 13: 20
    0
    State tests of RTO "Cyclone" project 22800 "Karakurt" began in the Black Sea

    The next tests are to be carried out in the Caribbean.
    1. Jacket in stock
      Jacket in stock 28 January 2022 15: 05
      +1
      Quote: sen
      tests should be carried out in the Caribbean.

      How about delivering it there? Have a NATO country charter transport?
  8. Xnumx vis
    Xnumx vis 28 January 2022 13: 21
    +1
    Good horseman. Toothy and seaworthy.
  9. rocket757
    rocket757 28 January 2022 13: 24
    +6
    State tests of RTO "Cyclone" project 22800 "Karakurt" began in the Black Sea
    . Mobile launch platform for missiles .... what's wrong?
  10. Seld
    Seld 28 January 2022 14: 20
    -2
    Quote: 30 vis
    Good horseman. Toothy and seaworthy.


    Mmmm ..... there is nothing about seaworthiness in the performance characteristics ... Range, displacement, autonomy.
    But I didn’t see about seaworthiness ...
    I believe this characteristic will also be withdrawn after testing.
    And in fact, why the speed was not indicated. At least an example?
    Knots 30-35 should give? For RTOs, this characteristic is perhaps the most important. Mli - a secret?
    1. Jacket in stock
      Jacket in stock 28 January 2022 15: 08
      -2
      Quote: seld
      Why is the speed not listed? At least an example?
      Knots 30-35 should give?

      Everywhere they write that up to 30 knots, but it seems that the engine is too cunning there, it can die from such a load.
      For RTOs, this characteristic is perhaps the most important.
      Why?
      With the firing range of his missiles, he generally can not swim anywhere.
    2. Crabong
      Crabong 28 January 2022 15: 20
      -3
      In the North Atlantic, how will this guano float?
    3. Alexey Koshkarov
      Alexey Koshkarov 28 January 2022 21: 24
      -3
      On YouTube, Captain Karakurt boasted that his ship was one of the fastest in the compound
  11. Seld
    Seld 28 January 2022 14: 26
    -1
    Quote: Vlad69
    I'm born in the USSR


    By the way....
    Passive voice and tense category when performing translations from/to Russian/foreign is a thing in itself. Specialists-philologists in the Russian language have written a lot on this subject. Like, "passive" in Russian does not have a tense category (in my opinion, Rosenthal argued so); There were also many counter arguments. Therefore, the translation of passives from Russian into foreign languages ​​sometimes has unexpected difficulties.
    Just by the way. On the subject of ships...
  12. Seld
    Seld 28 January 2022 14: 41
    -3
    Quote: lucul
    The Britons have always had a strong navy. They will never build such fragile boats.

    This is called inertial thinking.)))
    Well, look, for example, the English destroyer Defender, has a displacement of 8 tons and carries only 000 old Harpoon anti-ship missiles on board, and cannot work with missiles on the ground.
    And Karakurt also carries 8 of the latest universal missiles that work both on the ground and against ships, and this is with a displacement of only 800 tons.
    Will this karakurt be able to reach Gibraltar from Sevastopol?

    For this, there are project 20380 corvettes and project 22350 frigates.


    No, well, what!?!?!
    You give around the world, on a boat!
    According to the logic: everything that does not reach Gibraltar is a flop!
    1. Crabong
      Crabong 28 January 2022 15: 19
      -1
      Ships are needed, not boats! For a great power.
  13. Jacket in stock
    Jacket in stock 28 January 2022 15: 13
    -2
    Will this karakurt be able to reach Gibraltar from Sevastopol?

    Yesterday I was pointed out to the fact that even the Buyans from Sevastopol went not only to Gibraltar, but in general around the whole of Europe. And Karakurt will be a more serious boat.
  14. Crabong
    Crabong 28 January 2022 15: 16
    -4
    Large, ocean-going ships need to be put in a series!
  15. Seld
    Seld 28 January 2022 15: 19
    -3
    Quote: Jacket in stock
    Quote: seld
    Why is the speed not listed? At least an example?
    Knots 30-35 should give?

    Everywhere they write that up to 30 knots, but it seems that the engine is too cunning there, it can die from such a load.
    For RTOs, this characteristic is perhaps the most important.
    Why?
    With the firing range of his missiles, he generally can not swim anywhere.


    Up to 30 knots... Yeah... It all depends on the load.
    What about our engine? Domestic? Gas turbine? The media PRed that the Russian Federation had launched the production of its gas turbine engines for the fleet.
    And the speed - after the shot, Schaub still change position .... And the faster, the better. People are still! Sailors on board! It's a pity...
  16. Seld
    Seld 28 January 2022 15: 21
    -1
    Quote: Jacket in stock
    Will this karakurt be able to reach Gibraltar from Sevastopol?

    Yesterday I was pointed out to the fact that even the Buyans from Sevastopol went not only to Gibraltar, but in general around the whole of Europe. And Karakurt will be a more serious boat.


    Yes, and it was immediately clear that it would come!
    Well, 5-7 pereskheritsa ... + a ballroom storm will go further!
    Not ocean, of course, barge! But that's not what it was built for!
  17. Seld
    Seld 28 January 2022 15: 27
    0
    Quote: Krabong
    In the North Atlantic, how will this guano float?


    It will float like guano.

    And the ships are moving! And this one will come. For starters, you look at 6-8 seater sailing yachts. On their performance characteristics. They go everywhere!
    And then compare with the performance characteristics of this "sea urchin". And if you have completed your studies up to the 4th or 5th grade of a middle parish church school, you can compare the numbers and find (not immediately, of course !!!!; I understand everything and completely on your side! ....) the answer to your questions.
  18. Lair
    Lair 28 January 2022 21: 25
    -2
    In its class, RTOs turned out to be a very successful ship. Extremely strong strike weapons and good air defense (for the coastal zone). And most importantly, they build very quickly! One of the few ships that is completely designed and built in the modern Russian Federation and that you can be proud of (the frigate pr.22350 can also be attributed to such ships). But there is a lot of tar in a barrel of honey - Zvezda is very slowly making engines for Karakurt, which disrupts its deliveries to the Russian Navy. Unfortunately, this problem will not be solved in the near future .......
  19. Bez 310
    Bez 310 29 January 2022 15: 16
    -2
    It is much faster and cheaper to place launchers on 8 Caliber missile launchers on land.
    Why do we need these boats with PU?
    1. persimmon ufimtsev
      persimmon ufimtsev 30 January 2022 21: 16
      0
      Yes, because the Caliber anti-ship missiles have a lower firing range than subsonic Caliber.