The terms of delivery of the Udav pistol in a special configuration to the troops have been announced

The Russian army is already receiving the latest pistols "Udav" caliber 9X21 mm in combined arms configuration, deliveries weapons to the troops in a special configuration are planned later. This was reported by the press service of Rostec.

As the corporation explained, the Udav pistol for army units is available in two versions. If the combined-arms version has already been supplied to the military since 2021, then there is no special purpose yet. Deliveries of the pistol equipped with a silencer are planned for 2023. The reason for this decision was not explained in Rostec, reports TASS.

The Udav pistol, caliber 9X21 mm, was adopted by the Russian army in 2019 and was supplied to the troops in small batches. Last year, the Ministry of Defense decided to purchase a pistol and allocate 384 million rubles for this. Most of the new weapons will go into service with special forces and intelligence officers, but drivers, signalmen, logistics specialists, etc. will also be armed with a new pistol. The pistol will be supplied to the troops in two versions: combined arms with the index 6P72 and special purpose 6P72-1. In the 6P72-1 variant, the pistol comes with a silencer and a laser pointer capable of operating in day and night modes.

The self-loading pistol "Boa" is completely domestic development, in its design only Russian components are used. The gun uses a cartridge caliber 9x21 mm, it has developed specialized ammunition. The firing range of 50 meters, the capacity of the 18 magazine ammunition.

Dimensions: length 206 mm, height 145 mm, width 36 mm. The curb weight of the pistol is 980 g. In the unloaded version, the pistol weighs 200 g less. At a distance of 50 m, the bullet penetrates a sheet of armor up to 4 mm thick.

Comments

[mojohed2012]

And what? Before Boa constrictor, were only foreign parts used in our weapons?
Exclusively Russian equipment - is this a publicity stunt now?

[Nexcom]

This is a publicity stunt in the media.

[Jcvai]

Depends on the nuances: full-time combined arms and parade or combat special forces.
Some specialists, if possible, chose the Austrian Glock instead of the issued Rook as the main one for use, for example.

In addition, it will be necessary to look at professional users of Boa constrictor in a year or two, whether they will still have domestic tsu and so on. awnings.

So, from the point of view of patriotism and import substitution, the emphasis is justified: we know how and practice, and then it’s up to the real choice of those whose life and success in completing the tasks depend on the choice of the applied one.

[yuriy55]

Quote: mojohed2012

Exclusively Russian equipment - is this a publicity stunt now?

Did you want the manufacturer to write that laser pointers are from "AliExpress"?

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[bovi]

The article indicates a modification for special forces, i.e. with PBS included AND laser zu combined with a phanar. PBS is domestically produced and designed specifically for this modification of the weapon, it complies with the requirements specification and provides a low weight of the kit. Since carbon fiber looks unusual for the layman, they emphasize that it is ours, ourselves, all by ourselves.
As a person who has long left the borders of the Russian Federation, I note a tendency to painful self-criticism among the post-Soviet. I don't mean consciously spitting on the past for the sake of a sense of one's own greatness - that's just low. Samoyedism is cured by meeting with other people's inhabitants in commercial quantities.
Do you wish Rodien the best? - Speak to the point, and leave the irony to yourself - this is the norm.

[Amateur]

Interestingly, is it possible to get at least something from it at a distance of> 10 meters, or only into the "white light" like from Makarov?

[Arkadich]

If you don’t know how, then you won’t hit with AK, but with skill with PM for 50, they hit the chest target.

[Single]

Into the white light from 10 meters ... this is if the hands are not from the right place ...

[Lionnvrsk]

Quote: Single

Into the white light from 10 meters ... this is if the hands are not from the right place ...

Or if the shooter Amateur!

[Vladimir 290]

Makarov is a good pistol for his purposes. I'm not talking about the need for pistols for special units, for those who really have to use them. For an ordinary officer, there is a machine gun and a pistol - this is a kind of "ritual" weapon - like a checker before this. Therefore, the lighter and more compact it is, the better, it is still not needed in battle. And Makarov is still compact, reliable and meets all these goals. The same is true for the Ministry of Internal Affairs, there only in the "Cop wars" and "broken lanterns" they shoot constantly, ordinary employees almost never. And to get out of Makarov, you just need to train.

[Amateur]

Makarov is a good pistol for his purposes.

Absolutely and completely agree with you. But target shooting at 50 meters is not his forte.

[_Sergei_]

In 1993, talking with specialists, I stated that you couldn’t get further than 15 meters from Makarov. We were in the steppe and not far, about 50 meters, ran a corsa. He told me look, now wool will fly from the tail. And really from 50m he hit the tail.

[Amateur]

Corsi

What is it?

[Lionnvrsk]

Quote: Amateur

What is it?

This is Alyosha!

[_Sergei_]

Sorry Korsak. This is a steppe fox

[Vladimir 290]

yeah, it's really not for that

[28st region]

In order to be able to shoot and hit, you need to shoot. You will constantly train and you will hit 50 meters from the PM without any problems.
And the article is rubbish. For some reason, recently, such people have begun to come across more and more often in VO. For example the phrase -

Firing Range 50 meters

Sighting range Well, and so on.
Very, very few pistols are produced. What is 384 million rubles. 4 - 5 thousand pistols. What subdivisions of the MTO and mechanical drivers can we talk about. God grant that there is enough for special forces. And cartridge inconsistency. Part is armed with pistols chambered for 9*19, part 9*21. Nonsense.

[YOUR]

I agree with you for all 100. And those will be armed and these, but the money for production was allocated a miserable amount.

[SSA]

The PM has never been a pistol for the Ministry of Internal Affairs, it does not really correspond to the goals of the Ministry of Internal Affairs. This is the personal weapon of an officer of the armed forces. The purpose is to repel an attack on an officer, to prevent an attempt to capture an officer in a non-combat situation.

[james]

Did you shoot from the PM or, most importantly, do a throw-in on the blades. I was a student when I took it in my hands for the first time 27 out of 30 at 25 m. Shooting accuracy largely depends on the curvature of the hands holding it. The crooked the hands, the lower the accuracy.

[Amateur]

I was still a student, the first time I took it in my hands 27 out of 30 for 25 meters.

Well, just like in a joke

and you say

[james]

Rudeness is not an argument, but a sign of stupidity.

[Alexfly]

And in the usual configuration, when will it appear in shooting ranges and other establishments for testing ...?

[Arkadich]

It’s not very soon, not the whole army is being armed, but special forces, and not everything is going smoothly with the production of cartridges.

[NAP]

Yes, 9x21 is a rather rare and expensive cartridge, so there are few weapons for it, but not everyone needs a gun in the army

[Seld]

Quote: Amateur

Makarov is a good pistol for his purposes.

Absolutely and completely agree with you. But target shooting at 50 meters is not his forte.

I also agree with you!
And by the way, Makarych never claimed 50 meters. The laws of physics and ballistics are universal, even for Makarov. The energy of gunpowder for an effective shot at 50 m is simply not enough. That's not why they made this "car", actually ...
Yours!

[Seld]

Quote: Arkadich

It’s not very soon, not the whole army is being armed, but special forces, and not everything is going smoothly with the production of cartridges.

Yes ...
Pasta and cigarette factories have diminished nonetheless ....
People, many times smarter than me ("Tulaks"), often told me something like this: "make a barrel - garbage !!!!! make cartridges for it - that's where the dog rummaged!"

[SSA]

"however, drivers, signalmen, logistics specialists, etc. will also be armed with a new pistol."
- all these listed military men do not need a gun at all. It is not clear why the army needs it, if there is a PL-15, in addition, the Udav pistol itself has sensitive recoil and toss (the power of the ammunition makes itself felt) and has practically no export prospects.

[NAP]

The boa constrictor was not created for export, the PL-15 is a pistol for the RG and the Ministry of Internal Affairs, the former adopted the Rys MPL, the latter are testing the PLC. Both derivatives from PL-15 in 9x19. There is also Aspid - sport version of Udava in 9x19

[SSA]

AK was also not created for export. This possibility must always be taken into account. Caliber 9x19 mm is the most successful for a pistol. The use of this weapon involves sudden, fleeting, fire contacts at close range. Here, the accuracy and rate of fire of the PL-15 9x19mm prevail on such parameters as the penetrating ability of the 9x21 cartridge.

[Alexfly]

The task is not to kill the enemy in a short-lived battle, but to drive the enemy out of position, wounding him in the best way .. Therefore, accuracy and rate of fire are no less important than penetration ..

[SSA]

Quote: AlexFly

The task is not to kill the enemy in a fleeting battle, but to drive the enemy out of position

- this is a task, squads, platoons, companies of the battalion .. divisions. And the task of the owner of the pistol, in case of sudden fire contact, is to have time to hit the enemy at close range, to suppress him with fire, faster than he does you, what kind of position is there. For this, the formula "rate of fire within acceptable accuracy" is much more important than bullet penetration, firing range, etc.
The submarine in these parameters is very similar to the Glock, but the Boa constrictor, Vector, Gyurza, Mk 23, Colt 1911, TT, and all pistols for powerful ammunition, no longer satisfy the formula very well.

Simply put, suddenly colliding at a distance of 10 meters with an armed enemy, you will fire 5 shots in 1,5 seconds. from Glock, submarines, etc. 9x19, and you will hit 2 times. And if you shoot from "Strike" or "Gyurza", then with such a rate of fire of 5 shots in 1,5 seconds, your weapon will go far from the target (recoil-toss more) and you risk nothing at all once you don’t hit, there will be no sense from your penetrating power, firing range.

[Alexfly]

Is it really a greater return than TT? Gross Czech S&B cartridges feel much less self-loading (but much more accurate)

[SSA]

Quote: AlexFly

Really more return than TT

as far as I've seen the videos, the "Boa" relative to the PL / Glock has a greater return, and therefore a lower combat rate of fire.
A pistol as a weapon system has three main parameters between which designers balance. The weight of the weapon, the damaging effect of the ammunition, the recoil-toss of the weapon.
The Desert Eagle, in 12,7mm, has tremendous targeting power, but...try to fire three quick shots and you'll most likely shoot yourself. Recoil!

The Margolin pistol (5,6 mm) allows you to fire... almost like a Robocop, but it has a very weak ammo.

The 9x19 cartridge, which is almost perfect in terms of recoil-damaging effect, makes it possible to make the weapon acceptable, both in terms of mass and combat performance.

[DesToeR]

Quote: SSA

The 9x19 cartridge, which is almost perfect in terms of recoil-damaging effect, makes it possible to make the weapon acceptable, both in terms of mass and combat performance.

Yes? But in Germany in the 30s of the last century, they decided that 9x17mm (Walter PPK) is better for the police. In the USSR, it was considered that 7,62x25 mm was better in the army (TT, PPSh). Not everything is so clear. The Belgians developed 5,7x28mm for an army pistol. The Germans developed 4,6x30 mm for the army. Isn't 9x19 equally bad for the police (excessive power) and the army (short range and penetration of individual elements of the SIBZ)?

[SSA]

Quote: DesToeR

But in Germany in the 30s of the last century, they decided that 9x17mm (Walter PPK) is better for the police. In the USSR, it was considered that 7,62x25 mm was better in the army (TT, PPSh). Not everything is so clear. The Belgians developed 5,7x28mm for an army pistol. The Germans developed 4,6x30 mm for the army

and none of the calibers you listed are currently in widespread use.

Quote: DesToeR

Isn't 9x19 equally bad for the police (excessive power) and the army (short range and penetration of individual elements of the SIBZ)

- just the same, it has versatility. There are ammunition with a high degree of penetration of PPE, and there is with a high stopping effect (Ti-Ash-Vee for example). Such a wide range of ammunition for 9x19 makes both submachine guns (MP-5 / 7 and its modifications, PP-19, etc.) and pistols quite successful. And more is not needed.

In the army, I believe, there is no place for pistols at all, with the exception of silent weapons for special forces units and personal weapons of officers.

All these ... radio operators, tankers, telephone operators, electronic warfare, etc., if it happens that you have to engage in battle, then there should be machine guns, period. And giving pistols to soldiers means 1) increasing the risk of losing weapons, 2) lowering the combat capability of a soldier in battle.

[DesToeR]

Quote: SSA

and none of the calibers you listed are currently in widespread use.

This is not an indicator of the effectiveness of the cartridge. In the USSR (and not only) it was believed (quite reasonably) that a serviceman "behind the eyes" 9x18mm.

Quote: SSA

- just the same, it has versatility.

The specialist will always outperform the generalist. So Russia decided: in the police 9x18 (he has power behind his eyes), and in the army 9x21mm.

Quote: SSA

In the army, I believe, there is no place for pistols at all, with the exception of silent weapons for special forces units and personal weapons of officers.

Not only you think so, but also the military in many countries of the world for several hundred years, i.e. since the advent of the first pistols.

Quote: SSA

Such a wide range of ammunition for 9x19 makes both submachine guns (MP-5 / 7 and its modifications, PP-19, etc.) and pistols quite successful. And more is not needed.

Today it is very difficult for any PP to prove the right to exist in the army. There (in the army) at the front lines (and not only) there is a SIBZ, which is practically not afraid of 9x19 in any "reincarnation". Hence the competition for high-velocity PDW weapon cartridges.

[SSA]

Quote: DesToeR

Today it is very difficult for any PP to prove the right to exist in the army. There (in the army) at the front lines (and not only) there is a SIBZ, which is practically not afraid of 9x19 in any "reincarnation"

- Absolutely agree! Neither pistols nor submachine guns, under any cartridge, at least 9x19, at least 9x21 in the army, there is no place in combat positions. Because it is not a weapon of combined arms combat. And to the officer, a personal weapon, no matter what caliber 9x18 or x19 or x21.
Moreover, I think that the Soviet concept, AKM + PBS + two types of cartridges, subsonic and standard, + PB pistol is exactly what you need, even for saboteurs and other army Special Forces.

As for the fact that Russia decided that the 9x18 caliber was enough for the police, Russia did not decide anything. This cartridge and weapon came to the Ministry of Internal Affairs from the army in the 50s, the power of this cartridge for the police, where the main weapons are pistols and submachine guns, is still not enough. Since the policeman needs a weapon that will hit the target in the car, to guarantee a high stopping effect. In this regard, pistols and submachine guns under 9x19mm have higher rates than 9x18, while the mass of the weapon and the recoil momentum are quite acceptable.

[NAP]

A boa constrictor in a special configuration is essentially an analogue of the Mark 23 USA, it also has a laser pointer, a flashlight and a regular silencer, heavy, large and a killer cartridge.

[KSVK]

It is not clear what a muffler with a supersonic cartridge is. If only some kind of subsonic will be invented for him.

[Seld]

Quote: KSVK

It is not clear what a muffler with a supersonic cartridge is. If only some kind of subsonic will be invented for him.

Or maybe special ammunition is planned?
And that's a good question! Exactly!
Or is it just a promotional image?

[Bad_gr]

Quote: KSVK

It is not clear what a muffler with a supersonic cartridge is.

Quote: seld

Or maybe special ammunition is planned?

".... As TASS was told in the press service of the Rostec state corporation, the first deliveries of the new pistol in combined arms configuration began last year. In a special configuration, small arms are equipped with flameless and silent firing devices. To the last version special cartridges have been developed - increased penetration and with a reduced bullet speed ....." https://rg.ru/2022/01/28/pistolety-udav-s-glushitelem-nachnut-postupat-v-vojska-v-2023-godu.html
".... So, there are cartridges with a heat-strengthened steel core (armor-piercing), tracer, expansive (increased stopping power, opening with a "rose" when it hits the body), low-ricochet, with a rubber bullet. In addition, two new cartridges have been developed for the Udava - with increased armor-piercing characteristics and with subsonic speed (to work with a silent firing device - a silencer). ...." https://www.popmech.ru/weapon/478222-broneboynyy-besshumnyy-udav-zamena-pm/

[senima56]

"Firing range 50 meters ..." - nonsense! He has a "sighting range" of only 100 meters!
And as for the "firing range" - I don’t even dare to guess!

[SSA]

The effective firing range is implied. Pistols with an effective range of 100 meters, this is nonsense. AK sights are also marked at 1000 meters, but you can only get there by accident.

[bogart047]

finalize a weapon under a silencer in 2 years? Fuck

[Sands Careers General]

So improve yourself, if so

[bovi]

Wrong. The complex with a silencer was included in the original order, in particular, the mass with PBS was limited to 1100, 1060 emnip were implemented. Similarly, the TOR specifies the requirement for the number of shots. Without the development of a special subsonic cartridge, the PBS complex would have been feasible, but did not pass the test. But the test period, yes, can take up to two years. Moreover, it can be expected that after the start of operation, modifications will appear, as was the case with the PL-15 and before it with the Vector.

[Dkuznecov]

I did not see the cost of the pistol in the article.

And the amount of purchases under the state defense order.

For 384 million rubles,
if the price is comparable
with Beretta 92FS ($179),
this is 27 thousand trunks.

Question to the author
where did the numbers go, they don't exist.

[Sands Careers General]

Judging by the performance characteristics, Boa constrictor is a good pistol. Especially his patron