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Multi-purpose fighter Su-30CM made the first flight

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Multi-purpose fighter Su-30CM made the first flightAt the aerodrome of the Irkutsk Aviation Plant, a branch of OJSC Irkut Corporation (part of UAC OJSC), the Su-30SM fighter developed by Sukhoi Design Bureau and intended for the Ministry of Defense of Russia made the first flight.

As stated in a joint press release of the Sukhoi and Irkut companies, the plane was piloted by test pilots of the Sukhoi Design Bureau:

- crew commander - Sergey Kostin, test pilot of 1 class;

- navigator - Pavel Malovechko, honored test navigator of the Russian Federation.

The flight lasted 2 hours and passed without comment.

The Su-30CM multipurpose super-maneuverable fighter is a further development of the Su-30MK family of combat aircraft. Experts of the Sukhoi Design Bureau have adapted the fighter to the requirements of the Russian Air Force in terms of radar systems, radio communications and state identification, an ejection seat and a number of support systems. Also made changes to the composition of weapons.

The contract for the supply of 30 multi-purpose Su-30CM fighter aircraft to the Russian Federation Air Force in the period up to 2015 was signed by the Russian Ministry of Defense and Irkut Corporation in March 2012.

At the signing of the contract, Russian Defense Minister Anatoly Serdyukov stated that the upcoming entry into the Armed Forces of modern super-maneuverable two-seat Su-30SM fighters will significantly increase the combat power of the Russian Air Force. In addition, the technical capabilities of the aircraft will achieve a higher level of training for pilots, which is especially important in connection with the increase in the volume of military purchases aviation new generation technology.
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  1. spender
    spender 21 September 2012 16: 51
    +28
    This is for us and this good I’m like in that joke about pills from greed: Come on, come on and more, more ... laughing
    1. ShturmKGB
      ShturmKGB 21 September 2012 16: 59
      +17
      I agree, there are never many good planes ...
      1. nikoli25
        nikoli25 21 September 2012 17: 41
        +2
        such news is simply pleasing, if there were more such news
        1. VAF
          VAF 21 September 2012 20: 11
          +4
          Quote: nikoli25
          such news is simply pleasing, if there were more such news


          Su-30MK2 Uganda Air Force ...... wassat

          1. nycsson
            nycsson 21 September 2012 20: 43
            +1
            Quote: vaf
            Su-30MK2 Uganda Air Force ......

            Sergey, stop mocking me !!! wassat
            1. VAF
              VAF 21 September 2012 20: 52
              +2
              Quote: nycsson
              stop making fun of me!!!


              Yeah ... don't you love the truth ???? It becomes sickeningly ...... and I experienced it on my hump ... all this uryodobrymsovskoy eternal slogan hat! +! wassat

              So ... bear with my friend .. endure ... then it will be even more interesting and ... funnier ... remember my words crying
              1. spender
                spender 21 September 2012 20: 56
                +3
                Quote: vaf
                Yeah ... don't you love the truth ???? It becomes sickeningly ...... and I experienced it on my hump ... all this uryodobrymsovskoy eternal slogan hat! +! So ... endure my friend .. endure ... then it will be even more interesting and ... funnier ... remember my words

                Seryoga, calm down !!! You are not tearing the heart of Uryalka, but patriots !!! For Uryalok you are shpien, they do not perceive the Old, their brains are only "sharpened" for slogans fool And you stuck a knife for us and with each photo you turn crying
                1. Bashkaus
                  Bashkaus 21 September 2012 21: 02
                  +1
                  Tranzhira, are not afraid that the patriots, not knowing the truth, can turn into the same Uryakalok? ((((You have to be not only a patriot, but also a man, so that you can bravely accept realities
                  1. spender
                    spender 21 September 2012 21: 05
                    +3
                    Quote: Bashkaus
                    are not afraid that the patriots without knowing the truth may turn into the same Uryakalok? ((((One must be not only a patriot, but also a man, so that he would courageously accept realities

                    Not in such quantities! Sometimes it’s like a patient needs to feed broth with small doses, otherwise rejection !!!
                    ATTENTION ALL THE CLONES Crawled !!!! PAY ATTENTION TO THE DATE AND TIME OF REGISTRATION IN THE PROFILE !!!!!!!!! : hi
                2. VAF
                  VAF 21 September 2012 22: 13
                  +4
                  Quote: spender
                  And you stuck a knife for us and with each photo you turn


                  Okay, persuaded ... I won’t ... no more ... today! But there is good news, the Su-34s leave the factory in Baltimore ... fresh!
                  Coming soon .... official info bully ! +!
                  1. expert2008
                    expert2008 21 September 2012 22: 57
                    +1
                    Namesake, great news !!! Ato, like that ngedelya was, by and large, mediocre. There is no real analyst on "Kavkaz-2012" yet, there is generally silence about the exercises in Armenia, except that the Old Man made him happy, it seems like we are expecting replenishment in our fleet ... Can you tell anything? What's going to come to us?
                  2. Botanologist
                    Botanologist 21 September 2012 23: 34
                    0
                    Great news!
                    Thank you!
                    1. Sergh
                      Sergh 22 September 2012 02: 44
                      +2
                      Quote: vaf
                      So ... bear with my friend .. endure ... then it will be even more interesting and ... funnier ... remember my

                      Listen Seryoga, what are you stirring up here, good to get out! You are on the seventh (although doubts), I'm on the sixth dozen, but I can’t beat myself in the chest with my fist, fucking the pioneer leader ...
                3. Yarbay
                  Yarbay 21 September 2012 23: 25
                  +5
                  It's like in that joke)))
                  A lion comes to one of his possessions and see a sad hare in the forest!
                  He asks, what happened?
                  The hare answers, Oh, great. When we were little, the wolf was played, it was normal, now he has grown up where he catches me being raped in a tortured form !!
                  The lion is angry and says, “I'm going to another forest to put things in order, and as soon as he does this to you again, write to me immediately and I will punish him !!”
                  Six months pass. A lion returns to this forest and sees a hare sitting, and near a lot of paper and pencils !!
                  He asks, how are there any changes ??))
                  The hare turns around, but no, everyone is also raped, only the writings have become more)))))))))
              2. nycsson
                nycsson 21 September 2012 21: 38
                0
                Quote: vaf
                So ... bear with my friend .. endure ... then it will be even more interesting and ... funnier ... remember my words

                I think so too! Willingly I believe! hi
          2. UAZ Patriot
            UAZ Patriot 21 September 2012 21: 04
            0
            ha hidden military bases of RUSSIA transfer personnel in case of what, and a big-ass for amers from anywhere in the world where our weapons are! + for the maintenance of such ZERO spending bases! oh-what is my plan for you)
          3. Rustam
            Rustam 21 September 2012 22: 25
            +2
            Sergey, what’s wrong with Uganda ???? on the contrary, it’s good that they take
            1. VAF
              VAF 21 September 2012 23: 55
              +1
              Quote: Rustam
              Sergey, what’s wrong with Uganda ???? on the contrary, it’s good that they take


              Rustam, dear, welcome! As a colleague, I’ll tell you, if someone else asked, then “I would just pass by” the question.
              I won’t say anything directly. Yes, and you don’t need why. You yourself will understand everything. well, I won’t do the same thing. since I’ve visited N with ixon that .. today I won’t.
              So on the topic ..... you need to look at the state of affairs on Ts. Uglova and you will immediately understand everything ........ and we are new to Uganda and for loans ..... here we’ll fuck that Sudan and their divide when doia ... such holes ???
              In Dzemgi a little better. But the same ...... soon on the way ...! +!
        2. nycsson
          nycsson 21 September 2012 21: 03
          +1
          Continued:
          The first flight of the machine is scheduled for 2017 year, and the FGFA should go to the troops only in 19. At the moment, we are working only on the draft design of the new fighter. Therefore, accurate data on the composition of its equipment, weapons, etc. not yet. And even if they appear, they can very quickly become obsolete. And still try to imagine what will rise into the sky in six years.

          Externally, the aircraft will be at least very similar to the already flying T-50. Still, unification obliges, and differences in the “stuffing” are more characteristic of the fifth generation than in appearance.

          With the developers of the developers, like, decided. This is the AL-41F1C or "Product 117C." This is an updated version of the AL-41F1 engine, which is designed for installation on the first T-50 and on the serial Su-35С. The engine marked “C” has more thrust from the base on 2 tons and is 14500 kgf, and the overhaul life is increased to 4000 hours, which is four times more than the AL-41Ф1. Thus, we can hope for an increase in thrust-carrying capacity of the aircraft by 10-15% compared with the current version of the T-50.

          Avionics is likely to be similar to the one installed on the T-50. However, the variant with the expansion of the capabilities of the equipment with the help of the so-called. "Glass cabin".

          Regarding the weapons of FGFA, almost nothing is known, but most likely he will be able to carry the BrahMos RCC, but this is unverified information.

          In total, during the program, India plans to build 50 single-seat cars and two hundred doubles with the possibility of using them as training facilities.
      2. nycsson
        nycsson 21 September 2012 21: 02
        0
        Continued:
        While the Indians had failed negotiations with the United States, the Sukhoi Design Bureau was working on its own project of a generation 5 fighter under the PAK FA program. By the time it became clear that no one would sell the finished fighter to India, the Russian designers had already created the T-50 aircraft project. Remembering the old proposal to work together, the Indian side offered to cooperate in the field of creating a fifth-generation fighter. In the autumn of 2007, a joint work agreement was signed. According to him, the Indian side participated only financially, and all design work and construction of finished aircraft were assigned to Russia. But at the end of 2008, the roles in the project were redistributed. Aircraft electronics - avionics, control systems, navigation equipment, etc. - will India deal with Hindustan Aeronautics Limited. The glider of the aircraft, engines and the rest of the equipment "got" of JSC "Sukhoi". The program was named FGFA: Fifth Generation Fight Aircraft - the fifth generation fighter.

        Since the FGFA will be developed on the basis of the T-50, the prototype prototype fighter from the 2009 year has been demonstrated to Indian delegations several times. According to one of the aviation officials of India, the first demonstration of the T-50 as a current hit the delegates. Still, the declared characteristics of the aircraft are impressive.

        It is planned that T-50 and FGFA will have a greater degree of unification, which will affect the cost of the aircraft. It is noted that in the future, FGFA may become not just a joint Russian-Indian aircraft “for its own use”, but also an export modification of the T-50 for delivery to third countries. The total cost of the program is still estimated at 8-9 billion dollars, although it is not possible to exclude the increase or decrease of this figure.
    2. nycsson
      nycsson 21 September 2012 18: 25
      +2
      Good news! Only 30 pieces are not enough! It will be not enough !!!
      1. andrei332809
        andrei332809 21 September 2012 18: 32
        +1
        Quote: nycsson
        Only 30 pieces are not enough! It will be not enough !!!

        with modern capacities of 15 units per year, this is normal. not Soviet times unfortunately
        1. nycsson
          nycsson 21 September 2012 18: 54
          +1
          Quote: andrei332809
          with modern capacities of 15 units per year, this is normal. not Soviet times unfortunately

          I'm talking about the total! If you ordered 200, you could think about increasing capacity!
          1. andrei332809
            andrei332809 21 September 2012 19: 03
            +1
            Quote: nycsson
            one might think about increasing capacity

            who thinks? stool? or oligarchs (oligophrenics)?
            1. commander
              commander 21 September 2012 19: 11
              -6
              Again 25. Well, what again? Why Stool again? What's wrong again? I do not understand. It seems that contracts are being concluded and new equipment is being supplied to the troops, and reforms are being carried out. Here is a tape.ru wrote that the Shaman "beemdeshnika-4" has already been flooded. What is wrong with you? Under the Ivanov-Grachevs, the Air Force could not even dream of new aircraft. wink Why are you calling him? He’s actually Anatoly Eduardovich Serdyukov
              1. Apollo
                Apollo 21 September 2012 19: 49
                +4
                commander

                He’s actually Anatoly Eduardovich Serdyukov



                this is for you from me instead of minus
              2. Yuri11076
                Yuri11076 21 September 2012 21: 31
                +4
                This Taburetkin damn director or the head of a furniture store, so he was and will remain so ...
            2. nycsson
              nycsson 21 September 2012 19: 27
              +1
              Quote: andrei332809
              who thinks? stool? or oligarchs (oligophrenics)?

              Yeah! That's for sure! No one will think! hi
              1. commander
                commander 21 September 2012 19: 28
                0
                That is, Serdyukov has nothing to do with the contract for the supply of Su-30 to the Air Force?
                1. Apollo
                  Apollo 21 September 2012 19: 53
                  +3
                  Quote: military commander
                  That is, Serdyukov has nothing to do with the contract for the supply of Su-30 to the Air Force?



                  and this is in addition to my previous post
                  1. nycsson
                    nycsson 21 September 2012 22: 31
                    +2
                    Apollo.
                    About yachts! Take a look!
                    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Gc0w98s7IcI wassat
                    1. Odessa
                      Odessa 21 September 2012 22: 50
                      +2
                      nycsson,
                      About yachts! Take a look!

                      Is a golden soul necessary in government?
                      1. spender
                        spender 21 September 2012 22: 52
                        +2
                        Quote: Odessa
                        Is a golden soul necessary in government?

                        I would change the gold to cold, but somehow ... wink
                      2. Odessa
                        Odessa 21 September 2012 22: 56
                        +3
                        spender,
                        I would change the gold to cold, or something like that.

                        Well, there is the Vorontsov Palace, and this is the Putin Palace. Why aren’t the kings courtiers? Our Bibi lives more modestly!
                        And D. Medvedev, in addition to the yacht, has a river ship. yes
                        Nixon posted a link wassat
                      3. spender
                        spender 21 September 2012 23: 18
                        +5
                        Quote: Odessa
                        Well, there is the Vorontsov Palace, and this is the Putin Palace. Why aren’t the kings courtiers? Our Bibi lives more modestly! And D. Medvedev, in addition to the yacht, has a river ship. Nixon posted a link

                        From an ulcer wassat Well, you’re just a penguin Echidna ... DAM has a boat with one oar, GDP has everything, Rogozin works on a water jet ski, and we are on the rescue boat, some for logs, some for wood chips, and some with a paddle on the head wink
                      4. Odessa
                        Odessa 21 September 2012 23: 23
                        +4
                        spender,
                        From an ulcer Well, you're just a penguin Echidna ...

                        Well, she moved around, well, she snapped, but you didn’t write about Taburetkin. Although it’s clear that the tree doesn’t sink. laughing
                      5. Yarbay
                        Yarbay 21 September 2012 23: 50
                        +2
                        Quote: Odessa
                        Well, she moved around, well, she snapped, but you didn’t write about Taburetkin. Although it’s clear that the tree doesn’t sink.

                        Hi Esther))))) Taburetkin should not be written, but written))))))
                        Sanya was not seen))) His countrywoman arrived, his brother’s bride turns out to be)))))))
                      6. Odessa
                        Odessa 21 September 2012 23: 54
                        +2
                        Yarbay,
                        Taburetkin do not need to write, but write))))))

                        Like Robinson Crusoe, notched in a tree?
                        Romanov is busy today, he turned off at 15.00:XNUMX Jerusalem time.
                      7. Yarbay
                        Yarbay 22 September 2012 00: 26
                        +2
                        Quote: Odessa
                        Like Robinson Crusoe, notched in a tree?

                        It is necessary to ask Sani))) The surname of the bride is rare))))
                      8. Yarbay
                        Yarbay 21 September 2012 23: 29
                        +4
                        Quote: Odessa
                        And D. Medvedev, in addition to the yacht, has a river ship.

                        The funny thing is that they think it’s for them to stay !!)))
                      9. Odessa
                        Odessa 21 September 2012 23: 52
                        +1
                        Yarbay,
                        The funny thing is that they think it’s for them to stay !!)))

                        Obama is also laughing about it.
                      10. Yarbay
                        Yarbay 22 September 2012 00: 03
                        +3
                        Quote: Odessa
                        Obama is also laughing about it.

                        I think they’ll take their own)))
                        we have a good saying))
                        When a lion grows old jackals play with his eggs))))))))
                        The time will come, they will take away all of them)))
                      11. Odessa
                        Odessa 22 September 2012 00: 07
                        +2
                        Yarbay,
                        I think they’ll take their own)))
                        we have a good saying))
                        When a lion grows old jackals play with his eggs))))))))
                        The time will come, they will take away all of them)))

                        A controversial issue, with a good lawyer, you can hold a will, and a deed of gift, and written off in scrap, etc.
                      12. Yarbay
                        Yarbay 22 September 2012 00: 14
                        +2
                        Quote: Odessa
                        A controversial issue, with a good lawyer, you can hold a will, and a deed of gift, and written off in scrap, etc.

                        In the CIS, usually the new tsar does not like the old))) Since Khrushchev since)))
                        Abroad can remain in the homeland will be taken)))
                      13. Pimply
                        Pimply 23 September 2012 00: 25
                        +2
                        I once had Livni at breakfast. 8)
                        There, the joke directly turned out - she gathered Russian journalists, and someone did not find anything smarter than how to put two bottles of absolute. No, the old guard certainly accepted. But Misha Borodkin, who was sitting on my left hand, managed to make this shot.



                        In principle, a house is nothing special. A small villa of rooms five or six, a small courtyard.

                        At the prime minister’s residence then (they sat at Olmert’s) - the house is also small. Of course, maybe, but not the palace either.
                      14. Alex 241
                        Alex 241 23 September 2012 00: 28
                        +1
                        Zhenya 5 points, Modestly, and tastefully, cucumber tomatoes are not enough to fully drinks you are paintings
                      15. Pimply
                        Pimply 23 September 2012 00: 54
                        0
                        Well, they were - only on the table inside the house. wink And the old guard of Russian-speaking journalists very playfully poured vodka. lol

                        In general, usually breakfast with the press - and all sorts of official breakfasts and so on - among Israeli politicians is quite modest. Olmert carefully ate a croissant - with a coupon, from a supermarket, fresh vegetables and fruits, tuna, like a fish
                      16. nycsson
                        nycsson 22 September 2012 09: 50
                        0
                        Quote: Odessa
                        Is a golden soul necessary in government?

                        Of course not!
          2. VAF
            VAF 21 September 2012 19: 14
            +4
            Quote: nycsson
            I'm talking about the total!


            And about the total number of Indian Su-30 MKI in general ......... I am silent +! recourse



            And this ... I don’t even want to comment ...

            1. commander
              commander 21 September 2012 19: 20
              +5
              Nothing, but we will have a Su-35. We must not forget about other machines that probable friends do not have - the Su-34, T-50 (which is unknown with India), PAK YES (?), Yak-130 and others. So not everything is so bad! wink
              1. commander
                commander 21 September 2012 19: 36
                +3
                Why do you minus my comment? What am I saying wrong? what
                1. Antipetian
                  Antipetian 21 September 2012 21: 12
                  0
                  Probably the fact that PAK YES is still very much in the project, and not even on paper yet
              2. nycsson
                nycsson 21 September 2012 19: 38
                0
                Quote: military commander
                So not everything is so bad!

                Worse than ever! Let’s launch new aircraft for export, instead of classifying them and equipping their own air forces!
                1. Bashkaus
                  Bashkaus 21 September 2012 21: 06
                  +1
                  I always had one hope for this: in KB, new technologies are being developed and brought to mind on new physical principles, and the plane is about to come into being that will bring down all the performance characteristics and capabilities of the machines now available. That’s why ours may not buy it now, like it’s like we don’t have the dough, but we’ll sell it to you, we’ll cut the dough, and we ourselves will prepare in the coffers what the sold units will turn into a pile of rubbish.
                  Oh those dreams
                  1. Alex 241
                    Alex 241 21 September 2012 21: 09
                    -2
                    Your words to God’s ears. Until we realize the backlog made in the USSR. But as one gentleman said: we fell for so long, and finally the bottom seemed ...
                  2. Wedmak
                    Wedmak 21 September 2012 21: 37
                    0
                    Do you think there is such a backlog? On new physical principles? And then it turns out that our T-50 for averting eyes?
                    In fact, what principles there may be new. It is the same air for all. As for the new engines, yes. As the experience of F-117 has shown, you can lift the iron into the air, and even fly.
                    1. Alex 241
                      Alex 241 21 September 2012 21: 44
                      0
                      You are right, no one canceled the laws of physics, I think, and this is my personal opinion of the T-50, it is a platform for developing new technologies, I would even say for developing a new ideology for a modern aircraft. You can’t upgrade an SU for an infinitely long time, you see, it's logical continuation of the SU-27, a tricky marketing move by business people, see what a wide range we have.
                      1. Wedmak
                        Wedmak 21 September 2012 21: 53
                        0
                        I agree that it is impossible to upgrade endlessly, or rather it is not profitable at some point. Yes and not optimal.
                        When I saw the T-50 for the first time, I was somehow surprised, not only is it "flattened", it also consists of almost one wing. "Chezh will fit in there ..." I thought. However, TWO arms squads were stuck there. What to hang there is a separate question.
                        And comparing its appearance with the F-22, you come to the conclusion that something both of them tend to a triangle. And then I remember a UFO of just this form ... What the hell is not joking then ... maybe there are already developments?
                      2. Pimply
                        Pimply 23 September 2012 01: 10
                        -1
                        The equipment there is to catch up, the range of weapons.
              3. Yarbay
                Yarbay 21 September 2012 23: 30
                +2
                Quote: military commander
                So not everything is so bad!

                With the first shard))))))))
                1. spender
                  spender 21 September 2012 23: 32
                  +3
                  Quote: Yarbay
                  With the first shard))))))))

                  I am an optimist, and therefore
                  NOT WITH THE LAST am
                  1. with
                    with 21 September 2012 23: 35
                    +3
                    Quote: spender
                    I am an optimist, and therefore
                    NOT WITH THE LAST

                    Hats off! Thrushes sing in the forest, They sing for the soul, not for glory.
                    1. spender
                      spender 21 September 2012 23: 45
                      +1
                      Quote: met
                      Hats off! Thrushes sing in the forest, They sing for the soul, not for glory.

                      And sho am I in love with you? (c) "Wedding in Malinovka" And not what the perverts thought laughing Really in the subject good
                      1. with
                        with 21 September 2012 23: 58
                        +1
                        Quote: spender
                        And sho am I in love with you? (c) "Wedding in Malinovka"

                        I got it !!))) bully

                        True, today was a crazy day, like a crazy dodder !!
                      2. Odessa
                        Odessa 22 September 2012 00: 09
                        +1
                        with,
                        Is that? A squirrel in a wheel? Or a physical five-minute in production? laughing
                      3. with
                        with 22 September 2012 00: 13
                        +3
                        Quote: Odessa
                        Is that? A squirrel in a wheel? Or a physical five-minute in production?

                        This is me in the morning, when Omar mixed up with Alibek, and everything from the number of calls of subordinate sleepwalkers and the day went on increasing !!)) bully
                      4. Odessa
                        Odessa 22 September 2012 00: 15
                        0
                        with,
                        On a turbo engine? laughing
                      5. Yarbay
                        Yarbay 22 September 2012 00: 17
                        +1
                        Quote: met
                        Alibek mixed up, and everything from the number of calls to subordinate sleepers and the day went up !!))

                        You are a good boss)))))) usually until 10 o’clock in the morning the bosses do not tolerate calls from subordinates, unless only if an emergency !!))))
                        You spoiled your subordinates)))
                  2. Odessa
                    Odessa 21 September 2012 23: 37
                    +1
                    spender,
                    I am an optimist, and therefore

                    Time is no longer childish, lullaby laughing
                    1. spender
                      spender 21 September 2012 23: 48
                      +2
                      Quote: Odessa
                      Time is no longer childish, lullaby

                      Thank!!!! Is that what I told you? wink I have a reserve parachute wink
                      1. Odessa
                        Odessa 21 September 2012 23: 56
                        +3
                        spender,
                        I have a reserve parachute

                        Someone has already laid out this joke, but nonetheless
                        An American, a Frenchman, an Arab and a Jew are flying in the plane. The plane lights up, and there are only three parachutes. The American says: "My country is the most democratic in the world, I must be saved!" Grabs one and falls out. The Arab says: "My people are the smartest!" Quickly grabs another and falls out. A Jew holds out a parachute to a Frenchman. He admires, they say, you give me the last parachute, sacrifice yourself, etc. ... "No," - says the Jew, - "Just the smartest jumped with a sleeping bag ...
                  3. Yarbay
                    Yarbay 21 September 2012 23: 38
                    +4
                    Quote: spender
                    I am an optimist, and therefore

                    I remember that my elder brother congratulated me on the first bruise)))))
                    I hid him as I could))))))
                    In general, the skin around my eyes is very delicate))))))))
                    1. Odessa
                      Odessa 21 September 2012 23: 43
                      +2
                      Yarbay,
                      I remember that my elder brother congratulated me on the first bruise)))))

                      And my first bruise in my life, under my eye, was put by my younger sister))))))))
                      Nevertheless, I am also an optimist laughing
                      1. Apollo
                        Apollo 21 September 2012 23: 53
                        +4
                        Quote: Odessa
                        And my first bruise in my life, under my eye, was put by my younger sister))))))))



                        Esther to you a big raspect
                      2. spender
                        spender 22 September 2012 00: 03
                        +3
                        Quote: Apollon
                        Esther to you a big raspect

                        Apollo, if you think that now there will be a story about who opened the first embrasure, then in vain ... It’s better to try to score the word porn stories in any search engine laughing
                        No offense drinks Himself framed smile
                      3. Odessa
                        Odessa 22 September 2012 00: 11
                        +1
                        spender,
                        Better try in any search engine to hammer the word porn stories

                        So, what kind of sites you go to. Now I’ll lay out a couple of cows, until the morning you’ll fall asleep laughing
                      4. spender
                        spender 22 September 2012 00: 15
                        +3
                        Quote: Odessa
                        So which sites you go to.

                        I am an old soldier and do not know words of love ... (c) But what for sites when everything is on the phone
                        wink Old already, not 16 years old to run for pleasures, just quietly waiting wink
                      5. with
                        with 22 September 2012 00: 16
                        +3
                        Quote: spender
                        Old already, not 16 years old to run for pleasures, just quietly waiting

                        And it will come by itself !!)) bully
                      6. Odessa
                        Odessa 22 September 2012 00: 19
                        0
                        with,
                        And you keep the company.
                      7. with
                        with 22 September 2012 00: 22
                        +3
                        Quote: Odessa
                        met
                        And you keep the company.

                        It looks like jealousy !!))
                        I won’t drink so much vodka !!))) bully
                      8. spender
                        spender 22 September 2012 00: 28
                        +2
                        Quote: Odessa
                        And you keep the company.

                        Fuck, for the first time I set you minus !!!! It’s good to provoke, have a conscience, today I still ... work ... wassat
                      9. with
                        with 22 September 2012 00: 33
                        +3
                        Quote: spender
                        Fuck, for the first time I set you minus !!!! It’s good to provoke, have a conscience, today I still ... work.

                        Fixed!)) soldier
                      10. spender
                        spender 22 September 2012 00: 41
                        +2
                        Quote: met
                        Fixed!))

                        Thank!!! And I wouldn’t fall asleep drinks
                      11. Pimply
                        Pimply 23 September 2012 01: 13
                        +2
                        Well, what can I say? Only

                      12. spender
                        spender 22 September 2012 00: 24
                        +4
                        Quote: met
                        And it will come by itself !!))

                        Oh, I remember Seryoga posted a gradation in titles by the size of the chest !!!
                        Serge, if post on the site !!! Admins, sin is for me, ready to receive a warning! hi
                      13. with
                        with 22 September 2012 00: 29
                        +5
                        Quote: spender
                        Admins, sin is for me, ready to receive a warning!

                        By the way, you did not understand what I wrote in the morning, SHILO complained about you in the forum !!)) bully
                        So ...... I mean the site !!
                      14. spender
                        spender 22 September 2012 00: 35
                        +3
                        Quote: met
                        By the way, you did not understand what I wrote in the morning, SHILO complained about you in the forum !!))

                        You’ll laugh, but for some reason I make some people want to complain, although by itself I do not affect anyone request It's funny, people call themselves "offended", but when I call him a rooster he complains and warnings are sent to me ... wassat
                      15. with
                        with 22 September 2012 00: 41
                        +5
                        Quote: spender
                        It's funny, people call themselves "offended", and when I call him a rooster, he complains and warnings are sent to me.

                        )))) ahahahaha wassat (about offended)
                        Well, there are enough fools everywhere, why touch him, if he is already "offended" in life !!)) bully
                      16. Yarbay
                        Yarbay 22 September 2012 01: 03
                        +2
                        Quote: spender
                        You’ll laugh, but for some reason I make some people want to complain, although I don’t touch anyone on my own. It's funny, people call themselves “offended”, and when I call him a rooster, they complain and send me warnings ...

                        This is not just funny)))
                        It is a masterpiece))))))))))
                      17. Odessa
                        Odessa 22 September 2012 00: 32
                        +2
                        spender,
                        Oh, I remember Seryoga posted a gradation in titles by the size of the chest !!!
                        Serge, if post on the site !!! Admins, sin is for me, ready to receive a warning!

                        I have this photo, but do not ask laughing
                      18. Yarbay
                        Yarbay 22 September 2012 00: 36
                        +3
                        Quote: Odessa
                        I have this photo, but do not ask

                        Sister I can))) I have 4 wives laid))))))))
                      19. spender
                        spender 22 September 2012 00: 45
                        +2
                        Quote: Yarbay
                        I have 4 wives))))))))

                        Here you’ll think that it’s better to have 4 wives (calm, comfort, children) or a bunch of lovers (passion, debauchery, scratching the back) request
                        I am now inclined to the latter, even though mom insists on wives stop
                      20. Yarbay
                        Yarbay 22 September 2012 01: 04
                        +1
                        Quote: spender
                        Here you’ll think that it’s better to have 4 wives (calm, comfort, children) or a bunch of lovers (passion, debauchery, scratching the back)
                        I am now inclined to the latter, even though mom insists on wives

                        I also insist on wives))))))))))
                        I can write in private all the advantages))))))))))))))
                      21. spender
                        spender 22 September 2012 01: 16
                        +3
                        Quote: Yarbay
                        I also insist on wives))))))))))) I can write all the advantages in private))))))))))))))

                        No, I myself had studied everything very well + and - ... Well, I’m fooling around ... Everything is clean at home and the food is on schedule (2 ladies), everything is at work at work and I know who to whom and who on whom (3 ladies) + business trips (4 ladies to choose) .........
                        Alibek, what are the wives? I’m listening to my mother, but I have my opinion ...
                        I support and cherish my daughters from marriage ... I will give everything for them, they are satisfied with this state of affairs, I am grateful to them, I do not bring "hot-water bottles" together ...
                        Maybe not right, but it happened in the subject ... hi
                      22. Yarbay
                        Yarbay 22 September 2012 01: 18
                        +3
                        Quote: spender
                        Maybe not right, but it happened in the subject ...

                        You know better)))))))))))
                      23. Pimply
                        Pimply 23 September 2012 01: 11
                        0
                        Here are such pictures - more, pliz
                      24. Odessa
                        Odessa 22 September 2012 00: 18
                        +3
                        spender,
                        Fight off desire? wassat
                      25. spender
                        spender 22 September 2012 00: 21
                        +2
                        Quote: Odessa
                        Fight off desire?

                        To no avail ... I have now time ora ... oh (not the site but Murzilka) while everything is through, now it’s about 20 minutes and I’ll leave for serious wassat
                      26. Odessa
                        Odessa 22 September 2012 00: 33
                        +3
                        spender,
                        To no avail ... I have now time ora ... oh (not a site but Murzilka)

                        So I thought, he already incites some oracles to cohabitation. laughing
                      27. spender
                        spender 22 September 2012 00: 48
                        +1
                        Quote: Odessa
                        So I thought, he already incites some oracles to cohabitation

                        Orakulidze is happy, sniffs under the table, I talk. It was fun for the friends when I started to beat the keys on the laptop from behind the table, and then the unity ...
                      28. Odessa
                        Odessa 22 September 2012 00: 51
                        +1
                        spender,
                        Orakulidze is happy, sniffs under the table, I talk.

                        Have you got a cat? laughing
                      29. spender
                        spender 22 September 2012 01: 06
                        0
                        Quote: Odessa
                        Have you got a cat?

                        Well, there always is ... But after today's showdown, it seems that there will be changes in the group. Sorrow, the culprit is punished and thrown into the trash ... Everything will be normal wink
                    2. spender
                      spender 21 September 2012 23: 51
                      +3
                      Quote: Yarbay
                      I remember that my elder brother congratulated me on the first bruise)))))

                      I don’t remember the first bruise, but my cousin was 5 years older and they were afraid to touch me, but in general he fought for the girl himself with his seniors, but he did boxing and sambo, there were no problems
                      1. Yarbay
                        Yarbay 21 September 2012 23: 59
                        +3
                        Quote: spender
                        I don’t remember the first bruise, but my cousin was 5 years older and they were afraid to touch me, but in general he fought for the girl himself with his seniors, but he did boxing and sambo, there were no problems

                        The fact is that I have a lot of brothers))))))))
                        And our family and our family know very well)))
                        I just always wanted to do it myself !! I never told the eldest !!! And when he found out they first fought together, then it hit me, but in words)))
                        I remember studying in the 8th grade when 10 classmates complained to my brother and they say they did not touch me because of him)))) and I was even more furious about this)))
                        And for the younger ones often had when they were little)))
                        Often the older brother sent me for the younger ones))))
                        There were good times))))))
            2. nycsson
              nycsson 21 September 2012 19: 28
              +1
              Quote: vaf
              And about the total number of Indian Su-30 MKI in general ......... I am silent +!

              Yes buddy! My very heart bleeds! There are hundreds of such examples! hi
              1. commander
                commander 21 September 2012 19: 30
                0
                You forget about another technique!
                1. VAF
                  VAF 21 September 2012 19: 41
                  +4
                  Quote: military commander
                  You forget about another technique!


                  This is about this or what? Well, yes .... with "you" ... forget .... recourse

                  Su-30MKM Malaysian Air Force .....




                  This photo clearly shows the Thales 'friend or foe' identification system antennas (in front of the canopy of the flashlight as on the American F-16), the Avitronics (South Africa) laser warning sensor LWS-310 (bottom-side under the influx, in total on the plane 4 pieces: two sensors are installed on the sides of the air intakes), an Avitronics MAW-300 ultraviolet missile launch detection sensor (under the cockpit, there are 2 pieces on the plane in total: the second sensor is installed on top of the host beam between the nacelles).
                  Other export Su-30s (Su-30MKI, Su-30MKA, Su-30MK, etc.) lack laser warning sensors and ultraviolet missile launch detection sensors (they are still not available even on the T-50 PAK FA and Su-35 with "several advantages", not to mention the other "modernized" combatant Su-27/30 of the Russian Air Force) and among the "brothers" Su-30MKM can be considered the most advanced option.
                  Also on the plane are the antennas of the L-150 radar warning system of the Omsk Central Clinical Hospital (on the tail boom and the leading edges of the wing), the Thales ILS, and the Thales Damocles hanging sighting container.



                  1. nycsson
                    nycsson 21 September 2012 21: 06
                    +1
                    And now it's my turn! wassat
                    For 7 years, Russia delivered abroad 290 aircraft for $ 20 billion

                    print

                    22.05.2012 16:22

                    Su-30MKI Indian Air Force

                    Over the past seven years, Rosoboronexport has supplied 290 Russian aircraft worth over $ 20 billion abroad, said Alexander Mikheev, deputy general director of the state-owned company.

                    Mikheev said in an interview with the Russia 24 channel that most of the aircraft exports fell on the Su and MiG brands. The aviation component traditionally accounts for at least 40 percent of Rosoboronexport's total supplies and continues to grow.

                    Over the period from 2001 to 2011, Russia sold over 400 military helicopters abroad. In 2011 alone, Rosoboronexport supplied 99 Russian helicopters worth over $ 2,5 billion to foreigners.

                    In general, the demand for Russian weapons and equipment remains high despite the popular unrest in the countries of North Africa and the Middle East. “But we are in tough competition with leading manufacturers of military equipment, both American and European,” Mikheev said.

                    At the end of 2011, the export of Russian arms and military equipment reached $ 13,2 billion, which significantly exceeded the planned sales volume. It is worth considering that such an increase in volumes is associated with a postponement of the contract for this year under previously expired agreements.
                    http://warsonline.info/vpk/za-7-let-rossiya-postavil-290-samoletov-na-20-mlrd-do
                    llarov.html
                    1. VAF
                      VAF 21 September 2012 22: 34
                      0
                      Quote: nycsson
                      For 7 years, Russia delivered abroad 290 aircraft for $ 20 billion


                      Alex, +! And add not just airplanes, but new combat fighters, fighter bombers, well, a little TCB, about helicopters in general ..... a huge number.

                      Well, the helicopters began to come to our troops for the last two years, but ..fighters?

                      And I already asked this question ... "where is the money .Zin" or at least .. airplanes?

                      And why are we with such numbers and volumes, with oil and gas ..... we are in such full ........ F?

                      I will not list all the places where our country is located on various positions ...... crying
                  2. Rustam
                    Rustam 21 September 2012 22: 27
                    0
                    By the way, what is true is true Malaysian um the most advanced
                  3. Pimply
                    Pimply 23 September 2012 01: 15
                    0
                    With Thales, collaboration has been very active lately
                  4. PC-36M
                    PC-36M 23 September 2012 15: 17
                    0
                    Quote: vaf
                    laser warning sensors and ultraviolet missile launch detection sensors absent (they are still not even on the T-50 PAK FA and Su-35 with "several pluses", not to mention other "modernized" combatant Su-27/30 of the Russian Air Force)

                    Sheer lies. But you know what you're lying and deliberately mislead people.

                    What is it then?
                    http://www.missiles.ru/_foto/MAKS-2011_1_news/IMG_1322.JPG




                    In addition, I will answer your "everything is gone."
                    Su30 was delivered abroad not the last 2-3 years, but 2 decades (20 years) ... Moreover, most of them were delivered and contracted at a time when our country not only had no money for the plane, but also retired.
                    So those shipments of Su30 are good for the country, they allowed Sukhoi how to survive until the moment the country is back on its feet.
                    As it was written above, the amount of 20 billion delivered su30, in the country's budget there is so much money for airplanes? so that enough for retirement? NO!
                    It is convenient to criticize sitting in a warm armchair ... or maybe it would be better if you personally gave 20 million to the country in 2000 for the purchase of these aircraft, instead of shouting "everything was gone." Yes, it's bad that they supplied so much equipment abroad ... bad for the thoughtless cheers of the patriots and for the hidden and not so enemies of the country (traitors, 5th column).

                    Further, you, and many here, very zealously condemn the number of pier 30 pieces a little ...
                    The worst thing is that even 2000 pieces will not be enough for you because the essence is not important to you, it is important for you to shout "everything is lost", this time. Two, this is what you impudently play by substituting the concept, for some reason you attribute 30 pieces as the only purchase, as if there are no other aircraft. Meanwhile, in the aggregate, the number of ordered planes is really an impressive and joyful event, though not for the 5th column. I note that in addition to the Air Force, we also have other types of troops.
                    Until 2020, the Russian army will receive:
                    - 28 submarines: 20 nuclear submarines, 8 submarines.
                    - 50 large surface ships
                    - 600 aircraft
                    - more than 1000 helicopters
                    - 2300 tanks
                    - 28 S-400
                    - 10 brigades Iskander
                    - 10 Yars missile regiments
                    - thousands and thousands of different equipment.
                    And this is only a small fraction of everything that they plan (about financed) for entering the RF Armed Forces.
                    This is much more than any other country, even the United States with their frantic budget does not provide as much weapons for their country.

                    God forbid plans come true and not some **** does not hurt.
                    1. Alexander Romanov
                      Alexander Romanov 23 September 2012 15: 30
                      +2
                      Quote: PC-36M

                      As it was written above, the amount of 20billion delivered to 30 is there in the country's budget there is so much money for airplanes?

                      And that there is no less than a billion dollars for airplanes in the country, they can tell you where to get them, but leave their letters for schoolchildren, maybe they will believe. At the summit, 600 billions were found and the pensioners were not deprived, and the unfortunate 20 billions of dollars cannot be thought before they need to be written. fool Oh by the way, how are you NEIGHBOR wink
                      1. spender
                        spender 23 September 2012 15: 34
                        +2
                        Quote: Alexander Romanov
                        Oh by the way, how are you NEIGHBOR

                        It looks like it's bad, the competition for the best worker seems to be "leaked" judging by the fact that there is nothing to buy the marshal's account laughing
                      2. PC-36M
                        PC-36M 24 September 2012 23: 09
                        0
                        Quote: Alexander Romanov
                        And that the country has no less than a billion dollars for airplanes, can tell you where to get it,

                        Now there is, on this and there was an order for 30 pieces of Su30, along with other planes such as su35, su34, etc.

                        Yes, and tell me where to get the money and zin?
                        Quote: Alexander Romanov
                        , and leave your scribbles for schoolchildren, maybe they will believe
                        Scribble you and those who write like you, your idiocy can not be cured. You don’t want to work, you are waiting for a freebie, and they should give everything to you for no reason. For you there is somewhere a chest of gold which the government is hiding from you, you do not even understand that in order to have something you need to work.

                        Quote: Alexander Romanov
                        At the summit, 600 billion were found and the pensioners were not deprived
                        Why not trillions? In my opinion, this question has already been answered at the pre-conference or what Putin had there. Roads, houses, infrastructure, gas.
                        No, I don’t mind if you PERSONALLY give up all the benefits of civilization, so that you don’t build roads and buy military aircraft, the current one tells me that you won’t give up your penny and you personally sneezed that it would give the defense of the country 1 plane let's say.

                        Quote: Alexander Romanov
                        and the unfortunate 20 billion whales cannot
                        As far as I know, payment for exports was in dollars and not rubles.

                        Quote: Alexander Romanov
                        Before writing, you need to think

                        I’m just thinking, but you definitely aren’t.

                        Quote: Alexander Romanov
                        Oh by the way, how are you NEIGHBOR

                        Yab such a neighbor as you sent much further. I do not like stupid neighbors.
                    2. Apollo
                      Apollo 23 September 2012 15: 54
                      +1
                      Quote: PC-36M
                      Sheer lies. But you know what you're lying and deliberately mislead people.
                    3. PC-36M
                      PC-36M 24 September 2012 23: 12
                      0
                      Well, a man who lies, did not dare to answer me, I think we will end this exposure of lies.

                      Oh, it's a pity, otherwise I have already contacted a familiar pilot in the hope that vaf will resist and how to prove the absence of sensors on the Su-35S, we laughed heartily together at the lie of "vaf".

                      By the way, "vaf" more than one pilot would not write what you wrote, and the nonsense of the Nikolayev brothers has long been sorted out, it's strange that you don't know))) Well, now I know. So write that "everything is gone" and "rusty aircraft" is more subtle) and the current is still thick.
                2. Apollo
                  Apollo 21 September 2012 20: 03
                  +6
                  Quote: military commander
                  You forget about another technique!


                  you meant this technique
                  1. nycsson
                    nycsson 21 September 2012 20: 47
                    0
                    Quote: Apollon
                    you meant this technique

                    Yes, these are flowers! We must look for yachts of another statesman! wassat
                3. Yarbay
                  Yarbay 21 September 2012 23: 41
                  +2
                  Quote: military commander
                  You forget about another technique!

                  about tractors * Belarus *?))))))))))))
                  also remember))))))
              2. VAF
                VAF 21 September 2012 19: 37
                +3
                Quote: nycsson
                My very heart bleeds!


                Mutually, +! Algeria ... 28 pieces !! recourse

                1. spender
                  spender 21 September 2012 19: 39
                  +1
                  Quote: vaf
                  Mutually, +! Algeria ... 28 pieces !!

                  Serge, don’t tear our heart out! crying
                2. nycsson
                  nycsson 21 September 2012 19: 54
                  0
                  Quote: spender
                  Serge, don’t tear our heart out!

                  Quote: vaf
                  Mutually, +! Algeria ... 28 pieces !!

                  Oh, do not tear !!! crying crying crying
                  I almost forgot, so we have positive points! We buy wheeled vehicles in thousands !!! Something Iveco is worth.wassat Please take this into account when writing your posts !!! Not everything is so bad, gentlemen !!! wassat
                  1. Antipetian
                    Antipetian 21 September 2012 20: 02
                    -2
                    It is a pity that we have no analogues Iveco. A tiger can ride well in the snow, but, unfortunately, it does not have protection like a Lynx. This is not Mrap. We will wait for the Bear! Especially MO (Rogozin, I'm afraid to make a mistake) the machine was very interested
                3. Rustam
                  Rustam 21 September 2012 22: 31
                  0
                  Yes, only one thing, but ALZHIRS have recently discovered Israeli components, which, if desired, can be disabled by Israeli electronic warfare systems
                  at one time, the eurocopter was expelled from Algeria for this with its helicopters (because it also pushed Israeli stuff into its breo)
            3. Drednout
              Drednout 21 September 2012 20: 50
              0
              Veteran, good day. Purely for information - where are the pilots for such handsome men being trained here?
              1. Alex 241
                Alex 241 21 September 2012 21: 04
                0
                Sorry for the clarification, the pilot is civil aviation, the pilot is accepted as the pilot of the air force. And they are being trained at military military schools, which unfortunately has diminished.
                1. VAF
                  VAF 21 September 2012 22: 44
                  0
                  Quote: Alex 241
                  the pilot is civil aviation, the pilot is the pilot in the air force


                  In principle, yes. But it is not critical, but with the schools you greatly overestimated the bar, did not decrease. but there’s only one left for airplanes and helicopters, and the rest are DISPATCHED, you won’t say otherwise! +! crying
                  1. Alex 241
                    Alex 241 21 September 2012 22: 54
                    +2
                    I hope no offense to civilian pilots, but my first commander said: a pilot is a person who knows how to move his hands and press buttons, and a pilot knows how to do it. favorite saying: he got into the fuselage, he must know what to do. wink Here is such an aviation mother native.
                    1. VAF
                      VAF 22 September 2012 00: 13
                      +3
                      Quote: Alex 241
                      my first commander said: a pilot is a person who knows how to move his hands with his legs and press buttons, but a pilot knows how to do everything. favorite saying: he got into the fuselage, he must know what to do


                      ++++++! soldier drinks
                  2. Drednout
                    Drednout 21 September 2012 23: 41
                    0
                    It seems that in the Saratov region is going to the restoration of the helicopter school.
              2. VAF
                VAF 21 September 2012 22: 41
                0
                Quote: Drednout
                Purely for information - where are the pilots for such handsome men being trained here?


                And the same to you, +! Retraining for such only in Lipetsk, even if after school (the only one you get), they first go to some kind of center like Borisoglebsk, where they are brought to condition, because. after school they have miseo training and raid on the L-39 and L-410. and with this level of training where?

                just 5 years more and exactly. as they say. we will invite foreigners to work ... recourse
                1. Alex 241
                  Alex 241 21 September 2012 22: 45
                  0
                  And what about Savasleyku, too, they let under the knife? I served in the 286 center for combat training of the air defense IA staff, we graduated from Stavropol to condition throughout the year, and then to the military regiments.
                  1. VAF
                    VAF 22 September 2012 00: 16
                    +1
                    Quote: Alex 241
                    I served in the 286 center for combat training of the air defense IA crew, we graduated from Stavropol to condition for a year, and then to combat regiments.


                    About 4 years ago, extreme lieutenants were "taken out". if memory does not change the same 4 !!!! In general, not weak ..... in the pulp and paper industry and PLC do not engage in combat training. and the basics of .. "pedaling"?

                    But Savasleyka is still alive ... thank God! +! drinks
                    1. Alex 241
                      Alex 241 22 September 2012 00: 25
                      +3
                      He served in the 27th Guards Vyborg Red Banner IAP, which is part of the pulp and paper industry. From the name of the other two regiments entering the center you will be trembling: Kupino and Dombarovka, they will scare any graduates of aviation schools. But thank God, we were an elite regiment that had just withdrawn from Afghanistan.
                2. Drednout
                  Drednout 21 September 2012 23: 45
                  0
                  Quote: vaf
                  On such only in Lipetsk retraining

                  Thanks, Sergey. But only in the sense - after school? Pilots are prepared in schools !!?
                  Where did the Orenburgskoe, Stavropol, etc. go? Well, patriotic youth asks me, but I can only say from my Suvorov times, and they began under the USSR. Have they really started making airplanes, but there are no personnel (pilots, technicians) for them? This is even tighter than the "toothless" "Shark".
          3. PC-36M
            PC-36M 21 September 2012 22: 56
            +2
            200 su30s
            200 su35
            200 t-50
            200 su34
            200 etc.

            And so thousands and thousands, why so much? are we at war and suffer losses in the mat part?

            30 su30s ordered, su35 48 and 48 more, there still su34 I do not know how much but not a little ... in total I think your 200 will just pick up the current nomenclature will be different.
            In addition, other aircraft undergo modernization.

            Stop 1 single case from the set of cases to give out as one single.

            God forbid the pace will be the same as in recent years, then everything will be fine!
        2. VAF
          VAF 21 September 2012 20: 16
          +3
          Quote: andrei332809
          not Soviet times unfortunately


          I completely agree, +! But for .. "overseas" then .. enough capacity and ... everything else? recourse

          Su-30MK2 Indonesian Air Force

          1. andrei332809
            andrei332809 21 September 2012 21: 50
            0
            Quote: vaf
            But for .. "overseas" then .. enough capacity and ... everything else

            from overseas for some reason, personal pockets are full, those that are closer to the body
        3. Ustin
          Ustin 22 September 2012 06: 41
          0
          We hope for an additional order, there have been persistent rumors about it for the second month already, so we will wait a little. The machine worked according to the program for about 2 hours, there are no comments. As I already reported, it differs from the previous ones for the better, taking into account the experience of operating the SU 30. for us it is significant. And as on analysis, Sergei Kostin said: “Our Air Force will finally get a quite decent car.” Yes, and in terms of capacity, there are quite enough of them. There may be some problems with the pickers, but they can be solved.
      2. VAF
        VAF 21 September 2012 19: 07
        0
        Quote: nycsson
        Only 30 pieces are not enough! It will be not enough !!!


        Alex, welcome! + drinks Here are our "friends" ..... The Chinese ...... say the same ... not enough ... so far they only have ... 24 pieces per YEAR (!!!!!!) Su-30MKK !!!! wassat Well, the total number of already flying and prepared units for conducting full-scale actions you yourself will count +! soldier

        1. nycsson
          nycsson 21 September 2012 19: 31
          0
          Quote: vaf
          Alex, welcome! +

          Hello, Sergey!
          Quote: vaf
          Here are our "friends" ..... The Chinese ...... say the same ... not enough ... so far they only have ... 24 pieces per YEAR (!!!!!!) Su-30MKK !!!! wassat Well, you can count the total number of units already flying and prepared for full-scale actions +!

          And we don’t get used to arming potential opponents! Business and nothing personal! Since Moscow Defense does not buy, then opponents will buy it! And we somehow interrupt ...... wassat
          Moreover, the NHS said that no one is threatening us in the next five years! wassat
          1. commander
            commander 21 September 2012 19: 33
            +2
            You shouldn’t be so, because the Su-34, Su-35, Mi-28 and Ka-52 are not delivered anywhere abroad. feel
            1. nycsson
              nycsson 21 September 2012 19: 58
              0
              Quote: military commander
              Su-35

              Su-35 must still be put on the stream! India recently abandoned the Mi-28; they lost the Apache tender! I don’t know about the rest!
              1. Antipetian
                Antipetian 21 September 2012 20: 15
                +2
                Ka-52 is only for us, as well as 34-ka. Exclusive, so to speak. The military commander is right in this. As for the Mi-28, too, only for the Motherland
                1. nycsson
                  nycsson 21 September 2012 20: 51
                  0
                  Quote: Antipetian
                  As for the Mi-28, too, only for the Motherland

                  I’m saying that it was put up for sale, they just lost the tender! So much for the homeland!
                  Rosoboronexport explained why the Russian Federation lost Indian air tenders
                  http://topwar.ru/15226-rosoboroneksport-obyasnil-pochemu-rf-proigrala-indiyskie-
                  aviatendery.html
                  1. Antipetian
                    Antipetian 21 September 2012 20: 59
                    0
                    Well, it's a pity of course. But that's okay. Firstly, we have a lot of other contracts with India: in BTT and even with Vikra with our own Migar KUB.
                    Secondly, no one questions the combat effectiveness of the Mi-28N! Look at Rafal, no one is buying it at all! wink
                2. VAF
                  VAF 21 September 2012 20: 56
                  0
                  Quote: Antipetian
                  Ka-52 is only for us, as well as 34-ka. Exclusive, so to speak. The military commander is right in this


                  hopes of young men feed ???? Well, learn the story! MINUS!
                  1. Antipetian
                    Antipetian 21 September 2012 21: 01
                    0
                    No, but this is true, are they not being delivered anywhere? Is this a fact? Correct if I'm wrong what
                    1. VAF
                      VAF 21 September 2012 22: 51
                      0
                      Quote: Antipetian
                      No, but this is true, are they not being delivered anywhere? Is this a fact?


                      India-126 units-contract for 11 billion "Baku"!
                      Brazil practically announced Rafal’s victory in the tender, but after they inserted AFAR there. then I think they’ll go!
          2. VAF
            VAF 21 September 2012 20: 01
            +2
            Quote: nycsson
            And we don’t get used to arming potential opponents


            Yes, we all ... arm, that's just ... for some reason ... the declared profit from contracts ... some ... "air", in no way reaches the pocket of the Motherland recourse

            Su-30MK2V of the Vietnamese Air Force ....

    3. VAF
      VAF 21 September 2012 18: 27
      +4
      Quote: spender
      This is for us and this


      Lyosha, in light of this, in general, the article that you gave .. about the rejection of KABs in general .... looks complete ... nonsense ..... not only are there statements by "such specialists" and "experts "that ...... no words. request

      But right away "rushing" the Taburetkinskiys ..... in everything (?????) it is necessary to save (????) ... again for ..furniture is not enough or ... for "overseas bells and whistles"? bully
      1. sined0707
        sined0707 21 September 2012 18: 48
        0
        Tell me, then what kind of car is the Su-35, what is the difference. I saw on YouTube how it flies, I froze to say the least.
      2. spender
        spender 21 September 2012 19: 11
        +1
        Quote: vaf
        in light of this, in general, the article that you gave .. about the rejection of CABs in general .... looks complete ... nonsense ..... moreover, there are statements of "such specialists" and "experts", what ...... no words. But right away "rushing" the Taburetkinsky ..... in everything (?????) it is necessary to save (????) ... again on ..furniture is not enough or ... for "overseas bells and whistles"?

        Serega, what strikes me most is that abandoning the KABs and staying with uncontrollable THEY substitute the crews of the planes, who, when approaching the bombing, go in a straight line, like suicide bombers, the life of crews and wrecked cars come out cheaper? am
        1. commander
          commander 21 September 2012 19: 17
          0
          Are you talking about the Su-30? What kind of article? Link please?
        2. VAF
          VAF 21 September 2012 21: 07
          +3
          Quote: spender
          with uncontrollable THEY, they substitute the crews of planes that, when approaching the bombing, go in a straight line, like suicide bombers, will crew life and wrecked cars come out cheaper?


          Well, not quite so, and with uncontrolled ones, you can perform "figures" really reasonable, but just before starting or dropping it is necessary .. "without sharp evolutions" just continue either pitching or diving or loops on a constant, because. those are experts. who in that article "ride" over their ears, do not know that in the IA and in the IBA the system releases the BSP not by range but by Ratios (longitudinal and lateral), the main thing is to find a target and "tether, and then .." dodge " ... "the machine itself ... will throw!
          But here's what to attach "great, you need a locator, and even in the millimeter range, so that you can really day and night and in any conditions!

          And the locator is where ... right ... in ...... there, there .. I wasn’t mistaken, now we can only have the Su-24th and 34th dryers, but everything else is .... .day aviation at PMU ... Urya Taburetkin !!!!

          Well, Dalniki ... yes, with BSP it’s .. suicide bombers, one way ticket, there yes .. like in the 41st course, speed is height and horizon ... and you can’t do it anymore!

          And still .... they stubbornly remain silent that on the basis of KAB-kr. Long ago UAB-kr was made, the same 500 and 1500, but it only flies 30 km, and not 9-km like KAB, but only her ... over the hill .. needed, and we .... this ... that's enough!

          1. Alex 241
            Alex 241 21 September 2012 21: 15
            +1
            I’ll clarify a little the corrections taken into account when bombing: calm relative, characteristic speed, characteristic time.
            1. VAF
              VAF 21 September 2012 23: 08
              +1
              Quote: Alex 241
              I’ll clarify a little the corrections taken into account when bombing: calm relative, characteristic speed, characteristic time.


              I’ll clarify, if you referred to Long Aviation, you called a minuscule of these amendments, and there isn’t such a thing as the notion of characteristic speed — there is the notion of the truth of speed, which comes to the decisive device from the SHS and the ground speed, which goes directly to the NK (BCVS to form the speed of movement of the rangefinder mark in the preliminary synchronization mode and the time of movement (working out the aiming angle) of the target beam in OPB, this is all if in the manual mode of operation with the complex, and if in the machine, then everything goes only through the BCVS.

              and with whistles everything is simpler, everything is done by the PNS, the main thing is that the MIS would count correctly and well, and the residuals were all "stretched out2 then everything flies and falls pls minus a few meters.

              And the concept of calm refers only to calculations, but not to practical application. standard conditions and calm never happens!
              or are you checking me for lice?
              1. Alex 241
                Alex 241 21 September 2012 23: 13
                +3
                I agree, there are much more amendments, and if I hurt you with something, I apologize.
                1. VAF
                  VAF 22 September 2012 00: 27
                  +2
                  Quote: Alex 241
                  I agree, there are much more amendments


                  Yes, the subject of the BPSP and the BDP was like the resistance of citizens ..... passed it, you can get married, but it's easier for them ... here the principle passed-forgot absolutely does not fit, this must always be remembered, and it is even better to know and be friends with JSC and then you will always "work" for 000/000! + soldier

                  Quote: Alex 241
                  if I hurt you with something, then I apologize.


                  In no time, much less comrade from Savastleyki drinks Or have our "slang" been forgotten?
                  Didn't the regiment commander or his deputies (depending on who conducts control) "drop" the phrase at the readiness control .... well ..... check the birds for lice ... who breathes what !? And .. rushed ....... she over bumps wassat
                  In life, I can’t believe that this was not +! wink
                  1. Alex 241
                    Alex 241 22 September 2012 00: 31
                    +4
                    Serezha, I'm sorry I didn’t introduce myself. Alexander, I served in UCH ARAL. South-eastern Kazakhstan, but nonetheless that I recognized my brother in arms, thank you very much.
                    1. Yarbay
                      Yarbay 22 September 2012 00: 34
                      +3
                      Quote: Alex 241
                      Serezha, I'm sorry I didn’t introduce myself. Alexander, I served in UCH ARAL. South-eastern Kazakhstan, but nonetheless that I recognized my brother in arms, thank you very much.

                      You are well done too !!
                      I’m telling you as Sergey’s younger brother !!))
                      The guard knew who they took))))
                      1. Alex 241
                        Alex 241 22 September 2012 00: 39
                        +3
                        Thank you for your kind words, I am still proud of this title, especially to serve in such a regiment ... a film was made about him and the book was written "BALTIC SKY" with Ulyanov, Gurchenko, Borisov. Moreover, to get into the second squadron. About this, too, you can make a film, and write a book.
                      2. Yarbay
                        Yarbay 22 September 2012 00: 43
                        +5
                        Quote: Alex 241
                        Thank you for your kind words, I am still proud of this title, especially to serve in such a regiment ... a film was made about him and the book was written "BALTIC SKY" with Ulyanov, Gurchenko, Borisov. Moreover, to get into the second squadron. About this, too, you can make a film, and write a book.

                        You know, I’ve been here for about six months and am very happy !!
                        I have met so many interesting people about whom it is possible and necessary to write books that simply cannot express my admiration for them with words !!!
                      3. Alex 241
                        Alex 241 22 September 2012 00: 47
                        +6
                        You zaet, the only site where people with a head and content, personality in a word, and not in a state of decay. How I got to my home.
              2. spender
                spender 21 September 2012 23: 14
                +2
                Quote: vaf
                or are you checking me for lice?

                And how much can you? am
                I understand everything, but if there are doubts about your professionalism, then it is enough to go over your comments to get an idea of ​​"Hu from Hu", but provocations and slander will be reflected. The shield is made! Seryoga, educate the people, and we will cover drinks
                1. Alex 241
                  Alex 241 21 September 2012 23: 21
                  +4
                  Did I provoke anyone? I’m behaving like myself correctly and politely. and what provocations? shield? what are you dear about?
                  1. spender
                    spender 21 September 2012 23: 36
                    +2
                    Quote: Alex 241
                    Did I provoke anyone? I’m behaving like myself correctly and politely. and what provocations? shield? what are you dear about?

                    Dear alex 241, do not refer to your account everything that is written on the site wink You are here (regarding my commentary) aside, grow in rank and prosper, from me + as compensation For what you took for "hitting". Believe me, the site is good and gives a lot of information and positive hi
                    1. Alex 241
                      Alex 241 21 September 2012 23: 43
                      +3
                      All the best to you too. Now all the humor of the situation has reached me wink shake your hand sir.
                      1. spender
                        spender 22 September 2012 00: 07
                        +4
                        Quote: Alex 241
                        shake your hand sir.

                        After being awarded the title Elton John wassat
                        I think you understand wink
                      2. Alex 241
                        Alex 241 22 September 2012 00: 12
                        +5
                        hell everywhere they climbed am just a sincere male handshake. I hope this suits you? smile
                      3. spender
                        spender 22 September 2012 00: 18
                        +3
                        Quote: Alex 241
                        sincere male handshake. I hope it suits you?

                        Yes! drinks
                      4. Yarbay
                        Yarbay 22 September 2012 00: 19
                        +3
                        Quote: Alex 241
                        just a sincere male handshake. I hope this suits you?

                        Sorry for the invasion of your conversation, but I think Alexey is just fine))))) well, maybe he can still hug if fraternally)))))))))))
                      5. Odessa
                        Odessa 22 September 2012 00: 21
                        +4
                        Yarbay,
                        Well, maybe even a hug if fraternally))))))))))))

                        So the bones crack. laughing fellow
                      6. Alex 241
                        Alex 241 22 September 2012 00: 27
                        +3
                        As one movie hero used to say: be a whistle spock wink
                    2. Yarbay
                      Yarbay 21 September 2012 23: 45
                      +5
                      Quote: spender
                      Believe the site is good and gives a lot of information and positive

                      I agree)))) even keeps pensioners in combat uniform)))))))))))
                      Gold site))) yes the news is not joyful)))
                      1. spender
                        spender 21 September 2012 23: 57
                        +3
                        Quote: Yarbay
                        I agree)))) even keeps pensioners in combat uniform)))))))))))

                        I only realized that these "pensioners", to the sound of a battle trumpet, will go to defend their homeland, while the "glamorous scum" will move away from drugs hi
                        Quote: Yarbay
                        Gold site))) yes the news is not joyful)))

                        Not gold, but worthy, but forum users ++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++
                        A forumchanka + pure gold platinum emerald-diamond love
                      2. Alex 241
                        Alex 241 22 September 2012 00: 02
                        +3
                        I wanted to write: that next to our pensioners many 20-year-olds will smoke nervously nearby, but he was late bully
                      3. Yarbay
                        Yarbay 22 September 2012 00: 08
                        +4
                        Quote: spender
                        Not gold, but worthy, but forum users ++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++
                        A forumchanka + pure gold platinum emerald-diamond

                        I confirm))))
                        Moreover, I am ready to testify under oath)))))))
                      4. spender
                        spender 22 September 2012 00: 11
                        +3
                        Quote: Yarbay
                        Moreover, I am ready to testify under oath)))))))

                        Alibek, we are not in court, but I think the lady will appreciate your impulse!
                        Oh these hot caucasian men drinks
                      5. Odessa
                        Odessa 22 September 2012 00: 17
                        +1
                        spender,
                        And Alibek, who are you going to swear for the night already? laughing
                      6. Yarbay
                        Yarbay 22 September 2012 00: 39
                        +3
                        Quote: Odessa
                        And Alibek, who are you going to swear for the night already?

                        You have there in the West all the evidence in court with an oath or not))))))
                        Well have to go on the Quran !!
                      7. Odessa
                        Odessa 22 September 2012 00: 43
                        +2
                        Yarbay,
                        You have it in the west

                        Mat burned in the morning, Omar called your name. You started now, actually in the Middle East, I don’t know who you have in the West. laughing
                      8. Yarbay
                        Yarbay 22 September 2012 00: 47
                        +2
                        Quote: Odessa
                        Mat burned in the morning, Omar called your name. You started now, actually in the Middle East, I don’t know who you have in the West.

                        Although you are in the Middle East, you play football in UEFA)))))))
                        So I was not mistaken)))))))))))))))
                        And I’m sure, I’m not without reason mistaken))))))))))))
                        Very dangerous)))))))))))
                        The character is Nordic, merciless to the enemies of the Motherland)))
                        and takes black)))))))))
                      9. with
                        with 22 September 2012 00: 52
                        +3
                        Quote: Yarbay
                        And I’m sure, I’m not without reason mistaken))))))))))))
                        Very dangerous)))))))))))
                        The character is Nordic, merciless to the enemies of the Motherland)))




                        As Apollo says, I am watching you !!))) bully
                      10. Yarbay
                        Yarbay 22 September 2012 00: 56
                        +1
                        Quote: met
                        As Apollo says, I am watching you !!)))

                        By the way, when * such a colossus * in the sense of PERSONALITY Follows me, then I become calm for myself !!))))))))
                      11. Alex 241
                        Alex 241 22 September 2012 00: 59
                        +2
                        This is the most important thing if your friend covers your back. drinks
                      12. Odessa
                        Odessa 22 September 2012 01: 00
                        +2
                        Yarbay,
                        Although you are in the Middle East, you play football in UEFA)))))))

                        Footballer:
                        - On the one hand, I can sign this contract, but on the other hand ...
                        Agent:
                        - On the other hand, it’s not necessary, there’s a blank sheet.
                        And I’m sure, I’m not without reason mistaken))))))))))))
                        Very dangerous)))))))))))

                        What causes such concerns?
                        The character is Nordic, merciless to the enemies of the Motherland)))
                        and takes black)))))))))

                        He wrote, there is still a vest and a dog. laughing Of special preferences, ginger tea, orientation, natural. It's simple.
                      13. Yarbay
                        Yarbay 22 September 2012 01: 14
                        0
                        Quote: Odessa
                        utbolist:
                        - On the one hand, I can sign this contract, but on the other hand ...
                        Agent:
                        - On the other hand, it’s not necessary, there’s a blank sheet.

                        In a word, the Arabs do not believe that you are in the Middle East, that is, sopravlyayutsya !!
                        Quote: Odessa
                        What causes such concerns?

                        Quote: Odessa
                        What causes such concerns?
                        I have a nose !!
                        I feel very dangerous))))))))))) He ignores my provocations))) do not prick))))))
                        Quote: Odessa
                        He wrote, there is still a vest and a dog. Of special preferences, ginger tea, orientation, natural. It's simple.

                        Quote: Odessa
                        He wrote, there is still a vest and a dog. Of special preferences, ginger tea, orientation, natural. It's simple.

                        About 10 years ago, according to this information, I would use the deductive method to determine which part it serves, name, and everything else)))))
                        but now I go with the original cane, when I get angry, my head sweats, I like birds and I hate injections))))))))))))
                      14. Odessa
                        Odessa 22 September 2012 01: 25
                        +1
                        Yarbay,
                        I have a nose !!
                        I feel very dangerous))))))))))) He ignores my provocations))) do not prick))))))

                        Toughie.
                        About 10 years ago, according to this information, I would use the deductive method to determine which part it serves, name, and everything else)))))

                        And why do you need him?
                        but now I go with the original cane, when I get angry, my head sweats))))))))))))

                        And do you really think this is it?
                      15. Yarbay
                        Yarbay 22 September 2012 01: 27
                        +1
                        Quote: Odessa
                        And why do you need him?

                        10 years ago, it would be interesting to me professionally clean)))))))))))))
                        Quote: Odessa
                        And do you really think this is it?

                        I am sure that this is OH)))))))))
                      16. Alex 241
                        Alex 241 22 September 2012 01: 30
                        +1
                        Guys, I feel like a person peeking through a keyhole. Then I retire. It was nice to meet you. See you soon.
                      17. Yarbay
                        Yarbay 22 September 2012 01: 32
                        +2
                        Quote: Alex 241
                        Guys, I feel like a person peeking through a keyhole. Then I retire. It was nice to meet you. See you soon.

                        Good luck guardsman)))))))
                      18. Odessa
                        Odessa 22 September 2012 01: 35
                        0
                        alex 241,
                        Guys I feel like a man peeking through a keyhole

                        Well, that’s not in the oil. Where else are the barn castles preserved? laughing
                        Then I am retiring. It was nice to meet you. See you.

                        Mutually, come back often! +
                      19. Odessa
                        Odessa 22 September 2012 01: 31
                        +1
                        Yarbay,
                        10 years ago, it would be interesting to me professionally clean)))))))))))))

                        Purely professional interest? Sounds tempting ...
                        I am sure that this is OH)))))))))

                        Matt, who are you?
                        (I must answer now) laughing
                      20. Yarbay
                        Yarbay 22 September 2012 01: 34
                        +2
                        Quote: Odessa
                        Matt, who are you?
                        (I must answer now)

                        He does not even prick when I call him Fedor))))))))))
                        Because of the avatar)))
                        Just like Apollo)))))))))
                      21. Odessa
                        Odessa 22 September 2012 01: 39
                        0
                        Yarbay,
                        Just like Apollo)))))))))

                        Apollo pretended to be a bear today, but the name never said. laughing
                      22. with
                        with 22 September 2012 01: 38
                        +1
                        Quote: Odessa
                        Matt, who are you?
                        (I must answer now)

                        I AM??
                        Man and it sounds proudly !!))) bully
                      23. Odessa
                        Odessa 22 September 2012 01: 45
                        +1
                        with,
                        I AM??
                        Man and it sounds proudly !!)))

                        In principle, this answer was to be expected. It is good that I did not say that the address is not a house or street, but the address is the Soviet Union.
                        Last time he wrote about himself (S.Ya. Marshak)

                        The story of an unknown hero
                        Many guys
                        Shoulder and strong.
                        Many wear
                        T-shirts and caps.
                        A lot in the capital
                        The same icons.
                        Each
                        To work-defense
                        Ready
                      24. Yarbay
                        Yarbay 22 September 2012 01: 47
                        0
                        Quote: Odessa
                        Last time he wrote about himself (S.Ya. Marshak)

                        Do you really think I could forget this)))))))))))) ????
                        I remember by heart that he and Apollo wrote, only to the point))))))))))))))))
                      25. Odessa
                        Odessa 22 September 2012 01: 51
                        +1
                        Yarbay,
                        Do you really think I could forget this)))))))))))) ????
                        I remember by heart that he and Apollo wrote, only to the point))))))))))))))))

                        Unravel, it would be a desire, but it burns good
                        And not bad versed in computers.
                      26. Yarbay
                        Yarbay 22 September 2012 01: 53
                        +1
                        Quote: Odessa
                        Unravel, it would be a desire, but it burns
                        And not bad versed in computers.

                        And then not such calloli))))
                        in our offices the generals as small children cried and remembered a happy childhood with deep sadness))))))))))))
                      27. with
                        with 22 September 2012 02: 10
                        -1
                        Quote: Yarbay
                        in our offices the generals as small children cried and remembered a happy childhood with deep sadness))))))))))))

                        Yes???
                        And where is your office ???))) bully
                        You constantly bully me, and also a specialist in public law!
                        But what about the presumption of innocence ??)) bully

                      28. Yarbay
                        Yarbay 22 September 2012 02: 12
                        +1
                        Quote: met
                        And where is your office ???)))

                        already far from me))))))))))
                      29. with
                        with 22 September 2012 01: 53
                        0
                        Quote: Odessa
                        Unravel, it would be a desire, but it burns good
                        And not bad versed in computers.

                        Unravel, I do not mind !!))) bully
                      30. with
                        with 22 September 2012 01: 50
                        +1
                        Quote: Odessa
                        In principle, this answer was to be expected. It is good that I did not say that the address is not a house and not a street, but the address is Sovetskiy Soyu

                        And this already happened, though the address was not asked, just as an answer to a future question a song soundedbully

                        It was!!)))
                      31. with
                        with 22 September 2012 01: 36
                        +2
                        Quote: Odessa
                        Toughie.

                        Quote: Odessa
                        And why do you need him?

                        Quote: Odessa
                        And do you really think this is it?

                        Odessa law-IT you need?))))
                        Sometimes a hunter becomes a victim !!!
                      32. Odessa
                        Odessa 22 September 2012 01: 38
                        +1
                        with,
                        Alibek have you seen?
                        Sometimes a hunter becomes a victim !!!

                        They threaten us. You are right! bully
                      33. with
                        with 22 September 2012 01: 43
                        +1
                        Quote: Odessa
                        They threaten us. You are right!

                        Drain everything !!))) bully
                      34. Odessa
                        Odessa 22 September 2012 01: 46
                        +1
                        with,
                        Drain everything !!)))

                        It will not work, it’s easier for me to shut off the water in the entire riser, and there will be no discharge!
                      35. with
                        with 22 September 2012 02: 02
                        0
                        Quote: Odessa
                        It will not work, it’s easier for me to shut off the water in the entire riser, and there will be no discharge!
                        bully
                        It is better to live separately, so that no one can block the "drain"!
                        And it's even easier to keep the "plums" under control !!)))) bully
                      36. Yarbay
                        Yarbay 22 September 2012 01: 50
                        +2
                        Quote: Odessa
                        They threaten us. You are right!

                        You know, after all, I also had an argument with him at first)))))))
                        We are on knives with him))
                        He just knows more about me than I do about him))
                        I specifically gave him such an advantage so that later they would not say that the strong one offends the young))))))
                        Specially I am not writing the weak))) it looks impressive, I leave a place for reconciliation as my mother Omar wisely advised !!))
                      37. Odessa
                        Odessa 22 September 2012 01: 56
                        +1
                        Yarbay,
                        I specifically gave him such an advantage so that later they would not say that the strong one offends the young))))))

                        Why are you sure that he is younger?
                        It was we who once signed, in which year the schools graduated, and Matt was silent as partisans. laughing
                      38. Yarbay
                        Yarbay 22 September 2012 02: 14
                        +1
                        Quote: Odessa

                        Why are you sure that he is younger?

                        Yes, someone who is offended)))))))))))
                        Diplomacy))))))))))
                      39. with
                        with 22 September 2012 02: 24
                        +2
                        Quote: Yarbay
                        Yes, someone who is offended)))))))))))
                        Diplomacy))))))))))

                        It’s called, determine the age of the enemy !!))) bully
                      40. Odessa
                        Odessa 22 September 2012 08: 38
                        0
                        with,
                        It’s called, determine the age of the enemy !!)))

                        New online game?
                      41. with
                        with 22 September 2012 01: 57
                        +1
                        Quote: Yarbay
                        I specifically gave him such an advantage so that later they would not say that the strong one offends the young))))))
                        Specially I am not writing the weak))) it looks impressive, I leave a place for reconciliation as my mother Omar wisely advised !!))

                        Not well respected Alibek play amplitude, not good !!))
                        It’s very dangerous to bring an opponent with whom on knives is an axiom !!)) bully
                      42. Yarbay
                        Yarbay 22 September 2012 02: 10
                        +1
                        Quote: met
                        Not well respected Alibek play amplitude, not good !!))
                        It’s very dangerous to bring an opponent with whom on knives is an axiom !!))
                        Well, depending on which case)))
                        there is another axiom, keep a friend close, and the enemy even closer))
                        Today, one uncle told an awesome story)) 30 years ago, he went on the first walk, he was young)))))
                        Says here in Baku, his friends said to him, they say, how you get into the zone beat someone and they say it will be easier there)))))
                        In general, he got into some kind of Siberian deaf colony !!)) says I look the first day the troops go to work, everyone is healthy, and he is so feeble!
                        The second day, again, I can’t find anyone on my own))) finally on the third day one old man watches, wandering out of order, and goes far behind and ate walking))) He comes up and says that why did you step on my foot?))
                        The old man in response to him, they say blow dude otsyudova boy))
                        He says, I hit him in the jaw !!)))
                        and here, from all sides, several convicts flew out from under the ground and let’s poke him with his push !!)) Then they counted 17 wounds (by the way, I would not believe he showed me)! By the miracle, he survived, that old man turned out to be a thief in law even after that He was cured and called if they had a claim to explain, why did he happen? !!)) But this honestly told that they said so and so friends advised!)))
                        After that he was taken to his company)) once survived, come in handy))
                      43. Odessa
                        Odessa 22 September 2012 02: 14
                        +1
                        Yarbay,
                        there is another axiom, keep a friend close, and the enemy even closer))

                        Not always, several times already convinced. Better an open enemy than an imaginary friend!
                      44. with
                        with 22 September 2012 02: 19
                        +1
                        Quote: Yarbay
                        After that he was taken to his company)) once survived, come in handy))

                        This is what refutes your saying - keep the enemy even closer, meaning everything you know about the enemy !!!
                        He was just lucky !!! Do not know the ford, do not go into the water !!!

                        And if you dig deeper into my posts (which the Swedish tracking system has already done ----. Times ..... RA FRA), then it already has a lot to put in its Swedish Holov !!!)) bully
                      45. Yarbay
                        Yarbay 22 September 2012 02: 23
                        +1
                        Quote: met
                        This also refutes your adage of the enemy even closer, meaning everything you know about the enemy !!! He was just lucky !!! Do not know the ford, do not go into the water !!!
                        So I meant it))) You brought an axiom, I did not want to fall behind and also brought it)))
                        Although I never followed him)) I'm too hot-tempered))))))
                        And about the Swedish system, don’t worry, we’ll cover it)))))))))
                        I, too, on the side))
                        Met good luck !!))
                      46. with
                        with 22 September 2012 02: 34
                        +1
                        Quote: Yarbay
                        I, too, on the side))
                        Met good luck !!))
                      47. Odessa
                        Odessa 22 September 2012 02: 11
                        +2
                        with,
                        Not well respected Alibek play amplitude, not good !!))

                        If you do not swing, then go straight or break?
                        In short, stop playing giveaways, we'll figure it out later. Good night, all!
                      48. Yarbay
                        Yarbay 22 September 2012 02: 17
                        +1
                        Quote: Odessa
                        In short, stop playing giveaways, we'll figure it out later. Good night, all!

                        I agree it's time for him to take seriously with Apollo))) routes, escape routes and all that))) docks)))))))
                      49. Odessa
                        Odessa 22 September 2012 02: 22
                        +2
                        Yarbay,
                        I agree it's time for him to take seriously with Apollo))) routes, escape routes and all that))) docks)))))))

                        An interesting proposal, and attach it to Matt, that he gravitates to Honduras. Do they probably have their own people scattered around the perimeter? laughing
                      50. with
                        with 22 September 2012 02: 31
                        +2
                        Quote: Odessa
                        An interesting proposal, and attach to Matt, what he gravitates to Honduras.

                        Honduras-capacious word !!!)) bully
                        Quote: Odessa
                        They probably have their people scattered around the perimeter there?




                        ))) feel
                      51. with
                        with 22 September 2012 00: 50
                        +2
                        Quote: Odessa
                        Mat burned in the morning, Omar called your name. You started now, actually in the Middle East, I don’t know who you have in the West.

                        Well, how much can you apologize, but I say sleep was ...
                      52. Yarbay
                        Yarbay 22 September 2012 00: 39
                        +1
                        Quote: spender
                        Alibek, we are not in court, but I think the lady will appreciate your impulse!

                        Brother's sister will always appreciate))))))))))
                  2. VAF
                    VAF 22 September 2012 00: 31
                    +3
                    Quote: Alex 241
                    I’m behaving kindly and politely. and what provocations? shield?


                    Alexander, everything ..... as taught! +! drinks
                2. VAF
                  VAF 22 September 2012 00: 29
                  +1
                  Quote: spender
                  "Hu from Hu", well, provocations and slander will be reflected.


                  Lyosha, thanks. But here everything is within the tolerances and no problems, because .... our man! +! drinks
                  1. spender
                    spender 22 September 2012 00: 39
                    +3
                    Quote: vaf
                    .but everything is within tolerances and no problems, because .... our man

                    Seryoga, I had no doubt, you are like X-ray! Guys, it helped me so much when I and Zhenya (Steam Locomotive) got into a misunderstanding ... Seryoga is simply obliged, they will "merge" me support drinks However, what am I working on? Everyone sees it already soldier
                    1. Odessa
                      Odessa 22 September 2012 00: 45
                      +2
                      spender,
                      support me

                      They will not merge, we will write a collective letter about your pardon to Admin Smirnov. Without such a Redhead, the site loses its color. good
                      1. spender
                        spender 22 September 2012 01: 01
                        +1
                        Quote: Odessa
                        Without such a Redhead, the site loses its flavor.

                        Guys and a girl - you yourself color !!! And I went out for a walk ... Sometimes I myself feel ashamed that in some people I’m reviving illusions, I realized one thing, that's enough, the funny thing is that they mistake me for the secret weapon of the admins and as the banner of the opposition wassat And I just fight for friends and do not forgive the enemies, while taking on myself .... (Odessa woman knows this word laughing ) In general, I am grateful and grateful to you and let someone call us a gang, but I got here only positive emotions ... Thanks to everyone drinks
                        IT WAS NOT EPITAFIA !!! I'M WITH YOU!!!!!!!!! wink
                      2. Alex 241
                        Alex 241 22 September 2012 01: 05
                        +3
                        The banner is a symbol of military honor and valor .... When the Banner is lost, a part is disbanded, and the guilty are tried by the tribunal ...
                      3. Odessa
                        Odessa 22 September 2012 01: 13
                        +2
                        spender,
                        the funniest thing that they mistake me for the secret weapon of admins

                        Warnings and bans like a cat fleas. Why not imagine a secret weapon drinks
                        at the same time by .... (Odessa woman knows this word)

                        And not only this.
                        I'M WITH YOU!!!!!!!!!

                        You won’t get anywhere, we are all with you too! yes
                      4. Alex 241
                        Alex 241 22 September 2012 01: 15
                        +2
                        climbed into the fuselage, must know what to do;)
                      5. Yarbay
                        Yarbay 22 September 2012 01: 17
                        +1
                        Quote: spender
                        Guys and a girl - you yourself color

                        Surprisingly, I think exactly the same !!
                        Each of you is something extraordinary !!
                      6. with
                        with 22 September 2012 01: 21
                        +3
                        Quote: Yarbay
                        Quote: spender
                        Guys and a girl - you yourself color

                        Surprisingly, I think exactly the same !!
                        Each of you is something extraordinary !!

                        I’ll sing!))) bully
                        Watch from 49 seconds

                      7. Alex 241
                        Alex 241 22 September 2012 01: 23
                        +3
                        Masterpiece cartoon !!!!!!!!!!!!!!! + 5
                      8. with
                        with 22 September 2012 01: 09
                        +2
                        Quote: Odessa
                        They will not merge, we will write a collective letter about your pardon to Admin Smirnov. Without such a Redhead, the site loses its color.

                        By the way, a spender, I strongly doubt that past letters helped, alas!
                        Izya pulled out (at least I think so), the admin simply could not refuse him, writing in the style of a poor Jew, now this is erased in my opinion.
                        The style was chosen correctly, and most importantly, he asked not only for himself, but for all his enemies too!
                        And then think for yourself !!!
    4. 1tankist
      1tankist 21 September 2012 18: 47
      0
      Quote: spender
      This is for us and it’s good. I’m like in that joke about pills from greed: Come on, come on, more, more ...


      laughing Well done, Alex good
      Your comment reminded me of an episode from the movie "Wedding in a Robin", when two heroes shared a chest with a loot: This is for you, and this is for me. It's me again. This is all the time for me, etc.

      Well, if without jokes, then these aircraft are a welcome gift. Faster they would have entered the army.
    5. spender
      spender 21 September 2012 19: 29
      +3
      Old Man promised modern aircraft
      Lukashenko: Belarus will receive aircraft from Russia to protect the common border

      21 September 2012, 18: 07


      For duty on the border of the Union State and its proper protection, Belarus will receive aircraft from Russia, said the head of Belarus, Alexander Lukashenko.

      «In the near future we will receive modern aircraft in order to be on duty at the joint border", Said Lukashenko, commenting on the talks in Sochi with Russian President Vladimir Putin, RIA Novosti reports.

      “We agreed on this,” Lukashenko emphasized.

      “That is, we agreed to ensure our border with the president of Russia in an appropriate manner,” Lukashenko said.
      1. commander
        commander 21 September 2012 19: 31
        0
        Not enough specifics. However, very interesting news. With such a single air defense system!
    6. VAF
      VAF 21 September 2012 20: 04
      +2
      Quote: spender
      This is for us and this


      Lyosha, and this is the Su-30MKV for Venezuela, +! fellow

      1. nycsson
        nycsson 21 September 2012 20: 53
        +2
        Quote: vaf
        Lyosha, and this is the Su-30MKV for Venezuela, +!

        When will we have such a row ??? If you collect and count all your posts, 100 pieces are set exactly over the hill !!!
        1. VAF
          VAF 21 September 2012 23: 11
          +1
          Quote: nycsson
          If you collect and count all your posts, 100 pieces are set exactly over the hill !!!


          More Aleksey. Much more .... and physical ... that is. of our assembly and ... sets (they are also manufactured here) and they are already being assembled there and .. it seems to be how they were assembled, but that does not mean. what .. made?! +!
    7. nycsson
      nycsson 21 September 2012 21: 01
      0
      Here read:
      FGFA: PAK FA for India
      October 5, 2011 | Views: 5509 | Print |
      FGFA: PAK FA for India


      In the fighter aircraft at the moment the most advanced is the so-called. fifth generation. Although its roots go back to the 80s of the last century, this newest generation of aircraft has not yet received widespread distribution. The only serial fighter attributed to it - the American F-22 Raptor - causes a lot of controversy. And not only an economic or operational plan. We often hear arguments appealing to flight data, they say, the fifth generation should accelerate to a supersonic sound, without using an afterburner. And the equipment of the American fighter raises many questions. But now the conversation is not about the Raptor generation.

      However, at the beginning of 2000, India began negotiations with the Americans on the possibility of supplying F-22. But the United States neither then nor now have the desire to sell the latest fighter. The maximum that customers can hope for is the F-35, which even now is just being tested. Although the option with the F-35 was partially arranged for the Indian Air Force: a single-engine aircraft met their requirements, the matter did not go further than the negotiations.


      At about the same time as the start of negotiations between India and the United States, the OKB Design Bureau. Sukhoi offered the Indians the option of jointly developing a fifth generation aircraft. It was proposed to use the existing developments on the topic, and the work carried out together on the basis of Russian enterprises. But representatives of the Indian aviation industry refused this option. Why it is not known, but, most likely, the matter is in the required costs for R & D and terms: the result of joint work will have to wait a few years, while the Americans have Raptor ready.
  2. timhelmet
    timhelmet 21 September 2012 16: 55
    +11
    Great!
    Amazing fighting vehicle! Patriotic!
    You can say, dear!
  3. bamboo
    bamboo 21 September 2012 17: 02
    +3
    good news)))
    and what generation does this machine belong to, who will tell ????
    and how does it differ from the SU-34 ???
    1. Wedmak
      Wedmak 21 September 2012 17: 18
      +5
      4 ++, speaking the language of the media. And different, so is the Su-34 front-line bomber, and this is a heavy multi-purpose fighter. And the layout is different.
      And yes ... more, more !!!! smile
      1. Bashkaus
        Bashkaus 21 September 2012 21: 13
        0
        4 ++ or still 5 with two minuses? ;)
        1. Wedmak
          Wedmak 21 September 2012 21: 42
          0
          Stupidity of course ... the pros, cons. ))) Moreover, such estimates are very vague. You can put 6 with four minuses ... Only the pluses look better! ))) More optimistic somehow.
    2. nycsson
      nycsson 21 September 2012 18: 27
      0
      Quote: bambu
      and how does it differ from the SU-34 ???

      Su-34 bomber! And this is a fighter!
      1. bamboo
        bamboo 21 September 2012 18: 55
        0
        Thank you very much for the explanation !!!!!!!
        very grateful!
        1. nycsson
          nycsson 21 September 2012 19: 34
          0
          Quote: bambu
          Thank you very much for the explanation !!!!!!!
          very grateful!

          You're welcome!
  4. ShturmKGB
    ShturmKGB 21 September 2012 17: 24
    +6
    I tried everything, the mood is good, the plane is good ... and in general, Friday!)
  5. sorrento
    sorrento 21 September 2012 17: 28
    +1
    and why only 30 !!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! ???????
    1. nikoli25
      nikoli25 21 September 2012 17: 43
      +5
      and why only 30 !!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! ???????

      if you buy more, then the amers will be absurd and will be flooded with ficals
    2. SSR
      SSR 21 September 2012 18: 18
      0
      probably because the 5th generation fighter should fly in to replace))
      1. commander
        commander 21 September 2012 19: 13
        +2
        No, this does not mean that there will be 30 of them in the Air Force. It is quite likely that such an option will be concluded more contracts for the 30th
  6. taseka
    taseka 21 September 2012 17: 46
    0
    Now restore the destroyed aviation schools, make a set - 100% and also put in the Air Force 1000 - 2000 aircraft of all makes and systems !!! Restore airfields - wow, breathtaking from the future !!!
    1. MI-AS-72
      MI-AS-72 21 September 2012 23: 43
      0
      Do not choke on your fantasies, there is no money to maintain what we have, we cannot provide a flight time of at least 100 hours per year for each pilot. Cadets for 5 years of study at the flight school and with a total flight time of an average of 120 .. 150 hours (thank God) have an independent flight time of 10 .. 15 hours. This is for helicopter pilots last year. And you better not know about the number of graduates. And then you will also be "bad".
  7. KOT-Pskov
    KOT-Pskov 21 September 2012 17: 57
    0
    Really good news !!! And what is most pleasing is that they will be commissioned before 2015, and not as usual: it is planned by 2020 ....
  8. Shulz-1955
    Shulz-1955 21 September 2012 18: 03
    +3
    They need 30 every week
    1. Dmitry Desnyansky
      Dmitry Desnyansky 21 September 2012 18: 37
      +2
      And on 20 tanks
      1. Bashkaus
        Bashkaus 21 September 2012 21: 15
        0
        in 1938, the Kharkov Steam Engine Plant produced 15 steam locomotives per month and 25 tanks of by-products (quote from one documentary)
  9. Yves762
    Yves762 21 September 2012 18: 10
    0
    God knows there was no, but maybe someone is interested ...
  10. Sasha 19871987
    Sasha 19871987 21 September 2012 18: 32
    +2
    Yes, for 20 years, plainly aviation did not enter the ranks of the air fleet, this cannot but rejoice)
  11. Su24
    Su24 21 September 2012 18: 33
    -1
    So who will say how the Su-30SM differs from the Su-30M2 that we previously purchased?
    1. nycsson
      nycsson 21 September 2012 18: 56
      -1
      Quote: Su24
      So who will say how the Su-30SM differs from the Su-30M2 that we previously purchased?

      Onboard equipment!
    2. VAF
      VAF 21 September 2012 19: 22
      +3
      Quote: Su24
      That's who will say how the Su-30SM differs from the Su-30M2


      To many, because. "close" to the Su-27SM, and therefore they were sent 2 to the Crimea, and two to the Far East ... one in Dzemgah, and one in Ts.Uglovoy is used instead of twin. since there are no UBshek on SM-x.

      And as a practically pure fighter, a bomber, or as it is now fashionable ... a multifunctional tactical fighter!
      1. Su24
        Su24 21 September 2012 22: 14
        -1
        I do not understand what kind of aircraft is a clean IS? And I read that in Krymsk all 4 Su-30M2 (in the same squadron with 12 Su-27SM3).
        And one more thing: our Su-30s are coming with PGO, no?
        1. VAF
          VAF 22 September 2012 02: 32
          0
          Quote: Su24
          And I read that in Krymsk all 4 Su-30M2


          don't always believe what they write!

          Once again I repeat 2-a in Krymsk, 6972 AvB, aircraft number 10 and 30





          and two in Dzemgi 5 AvGr 6983 AvB aircraft number 20 and number 40



          1. Su24
            Su24 23 September 2012 19: 01
            -1
            Both in Dzemgi? You mentioned earlier that one of them is in Corner.
      2. Botanologist
        Botanologist 22 September 2012 00: 08
        0
        Your opinion, as an expert, is how many Su-34 we need at the European theater of operations (I’m afraid to even ask about the Far East). In the presence of, on the one hand, our air defense, on the other, Su-35 and, in the future, a few T-50 (I think we will have 20 units in Kaliningrad and Baltimore in total).

        I will explain my question - the purchase of about 200 Su-34 of everything has been announced, and how will we supplement them in the case, as it was fashionable to say in the old days, of aggravation of international tension?
    3. Gemar
      Gemar 21 September 2012 19: 25
      -1
      Quote: Su24
      how is the Su-30SM different from the Su-30M2

      radar systems, radio communications and state recognition, an ejection seat and a number of supporting systems - the article says so smile .
      I also read that the flight crew will be trained to take advantage of the super-maneuverability and new systems used on the Su-35BM and PAK-FA. Those. this is something in between the Su-30M2 and the Su-35BM (adjusted for the "singleness" of the latter.
    4. saturn.mmm
      saturn.mmm 21 September 2012 20: 34
      0
      Quote: Su24
      So who will say how the Su-30SM differs from the Su-30M2 that we previously purchased?

      You can also explain this option.
      Modifications

      Su-30K (commercial) is a commercial version of a two-seat fighter-interceptor based on the Su-27UB with in-flight refueling systems and satellite navigation (GPS).
      Su-30MK (modernized, commercial) is a two-seat attack aircraft intended for export deliveries.
      Su-30MKA (modernized, commercial, Algerian) - version of the Su-30MK for Algeria. Radar radar N011M [8]
      Su-30MKI (modernized, commercial, Indian; Flanker-H) - version of Su-30MK for India. A multi-functional twin fighter with front horizontal tail and a thrust vector engine, with avionics produced within the framework of the international cooperation Russia-France-Israel-India , with the new N011M Bars radar with a passive phased array antenna (PFAR), and an expanded air-to-air and air-to-surface armament.
      Su-30MKK (modernized, commercial, Chinese; Flanker-G) is the Su-30MK version for China. A twin fighter, without front horizontal tail, with enhanced capabilities for working on ground targets of the N001M radar has been modernized in the N001VE radar.
      Su-30MK2 - an improved version of the Su-30MK.RLS N001 [8]
      Su-30MKM (modernized, commercial, Malaysian) - version of the Su-30MK for Malaysia. Based on the version of the Su-30MKI. Radar radar N011M [8]
      Su-30MKV (modernized, commercial, Venezuelan) - version of the Su-30MK2 for Venezuela.
      Su-30M2 - version of the Su-30MK2, designed for the Russian Air Force. In 2010, factory flight tests of the first serial Su-30M2 were completed [9]
      Su-30SM - the modernized Su-30MKI, designed for the Russian Air Force.
      Su-30KN (commercial) - a two-seat fighter based on the Su-30K with an upgraded composition of avionics and radar with an additional autonomous radar channel. A-737 receiver of satellite navigation system with support for GLONASS and NAVSTAR was installed. A calculator has been added to the N001 radar station for new operating modes (mapping the earth's surface and selecting moving targets). In both cockpits of the aircraft, the television screens of direct visibility indicators were replaced by liquid crystal displays MFI-55, subsequently by MFI-68. An MVK computer was added to the weapon control system (LMS) to interface the LMS with new guided missiles of the air-to-air and air classes -Earth".

      Foreign-made equipment is widely used on export modifications of the Su-30 - on-board computers, navigation equipment, etc. The Sukhoi Design Bureau collaborates with suppliers from France, India, and Israel.

      1. saturn.mmm
        saturn.mmm 21 September 2012 23: 43
        +1
        Cool aircraft here is interesting in the video Su-30SM or Su-3 M2
  12. Mr.Fox
    Mr.Fox 21 September 2012 18: 59
    0
    Quote: Su24
    So who will say how the Su-30SM differs from the Su-30M2 that we previously purchased?

    Su-30SM - converted for the Russian Air Force version of the export for India) Su-30MKI. And the Su-30M2 is a variant capable of delivering air-to-ground strikes and other high-precision weapons.
    Correct if I am mistaken.
    1. VAF
      VAF 21 September 2012 19: 18
      +2
      Quote: Mr.Fox
      Correct if I am mistaken.


      Correct, the Su-30 SM is the same .. designed to work on the ground, differences in avionics and engines! Well, in the glider .. a bit, of course, in self-propelled guns and ESDS, well, in SUV, etc.! +! drinks
      1. Gemar
        Gemar 21 September 2012 19: 41
        0
        Rummaged through the Internet. I can not find information on the engines. What will change there? Traction vector control system?
        I read, once for AL-31F we created a completely electronic control system, edge will work up to 4000 hours.
        Tell me, please!
        1. nycsson
          nycsson 21 September 2012 20: 00
          +1
          Quote: Gamar
          Rummaged through the Internet. I can not find information on the engines. What will change there? Traction vector control system?
          I read, once for AL-31F we created a completely electronic control system, edge will work up to 4000 hours.
          Tell me, please!

          I think that these aircraft are fundamentally no different! The filling is a little better!
      2. Antipetian
        Antipetian 21 September 2012 20: 07
        0
        Can’t you tell me, so what about Pakfa and me? Will the Indians buy or organize this business at home? What are your thoughts?
        1. nycsson
          nycsson 21 September 2012 20: 55
          +3
          Quote: Antipetian
          Can’t you tell me, so what about Pakfa and me? Will the Indians buy or organize this business at home? What are your thoughts?

          No idea! He was still not enough to push over the hill !!!
          1. Antipetian
            Antipetian 21 September 2012 21: 03
            -2
            Yes, it seems they shouldn’t, the last thing I heard from Pak Fa is that the Indians not will create a double version on its basis - this is 100%. But there is no specific information, although India seems to be "in a share"
            1. nycsson
              nycsson 21 September 2012 21: 44
              0
              Quote: Antipetian
              Yes, it seems they should not, the last thing I heard from Pak Fa is that the Indians will not create a two-seater version on its basis - this is 100%. But there is no specific information, although India seems to be "in a share"

              Go up, I posted an article there! And read, did not have time to do, but have already sold !!!
            2. Su24
              Su24 21 September 2012 22: 04
              0
              T-50 and version for India are different planes. To prevent the Indians from happening there (even if they even close the FGFA program at all) this will not affect the PAK FA.
    2. Su24
      Su24 21 September 2012 21: 42
      -1
      You guys can't do that. The fact that these two models differ in the composition of the avionics, and so I guess. Here's how to understand "Su-30SM - a modernized Su-30MKI designed for the Russian Air Force"? On MKI imported equipment, on ours can only be domestic, that is, as well as on the Su-30M2. Nevertheless, this is not M2, but SM.
      On engines, how is the difference, is it not in both cases the AL-21FP?
  13. Onotollah
    Onotollah 21 September 2012 20: 03
    +1
    The trend, however, is emerging with the supply of new equipment. What can not but rejoice.
    1. Antipetian
      Antipetian 21 September 2012 20: 06
      0
      Yeah! Now they’ll bring Pakfu - then we’ll live! We would have to work with this matter faster, otherwise the Air Force is not in the best form right now.
  14. Alex 81
    Alex 81 21 September 2012 20: 28
    0
    Joseph Visarionych on ministers and their advisers not !!!! am A pity .... so it would not be 30, but 300 units ordered b ...

    But at the moment, at least these 30, but ours ....
  15. st. michman
    st. michman 21 September 2012 20: 32
    0
    As I understand it, this is just a series for military trials. This is the first limited edition option. The second idea is that these Planes are actually! and don’t need much. The Su-30 was originally intended to be used as a leading aircraft, the so-called air command post.
    1. Antipetian
      Antipetian 21 September 2012 20: 37
      +2
      Well, I wouldn't say. The Su-30 itself is something of a multifunctional fighter. As for command and coordination - for this you need AWACS or "land". It's just that the Su-27 was not originally planned for strikes on the ground. Soviet doctrine in principle denied "multifunctional" aircraft and the Su-27 is a rather vivid example, while the Su-30 embodies that very functionality. This is the whole trick in his popularity abroad, which he speaks of VAF
      1. st. michman
        st. michman 21 September 2012 21: 01
        -1
        And this, including agreeing unconditionally, but I'm talking a little about something else.
        1. Antipetian
          Antipetian 21 September 2012 21: 17
          -1
          About what? Do not understand a little bit. It is unlikely that in the modern World Bank there is such a concept of "leader", for how many years I have been interested - I have never heard such a thing. Still, "coordination and command" is carried out as if "from the outside"
  16. st. michman
    st. michman 21 September 2012 20: 56
    +1
    “When signing the contract, the head of the Russian military department Anatoly Serdyukov said that the arrival of the Su-30SM in the Armed Forces would significantly increase the combat power of the Russian Air Force. an increase in the volume of purchases of new generation military aircraft. " Does Serdyukov perceive the Su-30 as a training aircraft? I wonder how this is how 30 planes until 2015. will be able to significantly increase the combat power of the Russian Air Force. Particleboard is exactly made of sawdust.
    1. Antipetian
      Antipetian 21 September 2012 21: 19
      -1
      He most likely means simply updating the Air Force fleet. For training, we have both the Yak-130 and Elki and UShshki.
      In general, here it is most likely about increasing flight hours, and not training cadets
      1. st. michman
        st. michman 21 September 2012 21: 34
        0
        He means the whole army
  17. torpxxx
    torpxxx 21 September 2012 21: 00
    -3
    Lord what is 30 aircraft ???? What are they good for? This is for 3-4 hours of war with the middle state! Dwarf states with a population of the same prefecture of Moscow buy 50-70 cars ... This handout is just a mockery.
    1. Antipetian
      Antipetian 21 September 2012 21: 04
      +1
      Do not worry! We have already signed here and now have signed contracts for a number of aviation equipment! What are the Su-35 and T-50 alone?
      1. st. michman
        st. michman 21 September 2012 21: 46
        -1
        The T-50 has yet to be refined and refined, and the Su-35 is already the second aircraft with this name, there was not enough money for the first version in the "golden" 2s. This technique is really good on paper though.
        It’s funny 30-Su-30, 100-Yak-130, 19-Tu-160 (the digits from the bulldozer are taken, but something like that comes out) and super-good spending on the Air Force - training and preparing pilots for all flying vehicles in the amount of 10 people. The army will work !!!
    2. Su24
      Su24 21 September 2012 21: 56
      -2
      You need to be more interested in military news. There are new or upgraded aircraft, and there will be much more:
      Su-24M2 - 48 units.
      Su-25SM - 40 units.
      Su-27SM - 100 units.
      Su-27SM3 - 12 units.
      Su-30M2 \ SM - 34 units.
      Su-34 - 124 units
      Su-35 - 48.
      MiG-29 - 58 units.
      MiG-31BM - 60 units.
      Yak-130 - 55 units.
      Those. at least 579 tactical aviation units. This is not counting new contracts starting in 2015.
      1. Wedmak
        Wedmak 21 September 2012 22: 01
        0
        Something you have strange numbers ... I found others. At times different.
        1. Commodus
          Commodus 21 September 2012 22: 17
          -2
          These are already available and which you still want to receive. Mig 31 modernization has almost just begun, 35 have not even gone into the series yet, 34 have just gone, etc., in short, do not confuse plans with existing ones.
      2. nycsson
        nycsson 22 September 2012 09: 36
        -1
        Quote: Su24
        Su-34 - 124 units

        How many??? In Voronezh, only the second squadron is formed !!!
        1. Su24
          Su24 23 September 2012 19: 09
          -1
          And you carefully read:
          "There are new or modernized aircraft, and there will be many more."
    3. Windbreak
      Windbreak 21 September 2012 22: 11
      0
      Quote: torpxxx
      Dwarf states with a population of the same prefecture of Moscow buy 50-70 cars ...
      And what kind of countries are these?
  18. Alex 241
    Alex 241 21 September 2012 22: 04
    0
    I think the real numbers under the stamp of state secrets, but what they give us is for ordinary people.
    1. Wedmak
      Wedmak 21 September 2012 22: 06
      -1
      Even if you take the Su-34
      Su-34 - 124 units

      um .... from open sources - there are only 22, moreover, serial 15.
      1. Commodus
        Commodus 22 September 2012 00: 29
        0
        The plans until 2020-124 pcs.
      2. Su24
        Su24 23 September 2012 19: 10
        -1
        read carefully
  19. Alex 241
    Alex 241 21 September 2012 22: 12
    -1
    But what, beautiful reporting 124 is three regiments, and who will count them there? Everything is beautiful and not intricate. She will endure paper, Gliding on the General Staff flooring is not dust in the desert to swallow.
    1. PC-36M
      PC-36M 21 September 2012 23: 08
      0
      Well, we’ll cross out plans, now there are no plans ... has life become better?
  20. expert2008
    expert2008 21 September 2012 23: 50
    0
    As far as I remember, under Grachev, there was no talk of buying anything new at all ... Grozny included "consolidated divisions" from all over Russia .... or, more simply, boys dressed in "something", on "something" , with the connection "about nothing" ... Do not rot God, now, not then ....
  21. RUS-36
    RUS-36 22 September 2012 11: 08
    -3
    30 aircraft until 2015 ..... laughter through tears .... but at least so ....
  22. Lucky man
    Lucky man 22 September 2012 17: 26
    +2
    Already the first photos appeared
    http://bmpd.livejournal.com/337249.html
  23. v53993
    v53993 24 September 2012 20: 27
    0
    The news is pleasing and at the same time alarming; the presence of Serdyukov in this case is alarming.