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Vice Speaker of the Federation Council Turchak announced the need to supply arms to the republics of Donbass

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Vice Speaker of the Federation Council Turchak announced the need to supply arms to the republics of Donbass

The United States and its allies continue to supply weapons to Kiev, against this background, Russia should arm the self-proclaimed republics of Donbass. This statement was made by the vice-speaker of the Federation Council Andrei Turchak.


According to the Secretary of the United Russia General Council, Western countries continue to pump up Ukraine weapons, which is eventually applied against the Donetsk and Lugansk People's Republics. In the Donbass, the number of shellings is growing, civilians are dying. Against this background, he proposed to provide military assistance to the Donbass republics by supplying them with "certain types" of weapons.

I believe that under these conditions, Russia should provide the Lugansk and Donetsk People's Republics with the necessary assistance in the form of the supply of certain types of weapons to increase their defense capability.

- Turchak said, adding that Western curators are pushing the Kiev authorities to a direct invasion of the Donbass.

The politician stressed that the supply of Russian weapons to the republics will help contain the "military aggression" that is being prepared by Kiev.

The West, represented by the United States and Great Britain, continues to arm the Kiev regime, supplying various weapons to Ukraine. Since the beginning of the year alone, 11 military transport planes with military assistance have landed in Kiev, while the United States plans to send several more aircraft with weapons. The main cargo is anti-tank systems, but there are other weapons that Kiev prefer not to talk about.

Half of the supplied weapons somehow end up in the Donbass, although the United States previously demanded that Ukraine not place the transferred weapons, in particular the Javelin anti-tank systems, in the JFO zone. However, judging by recent publications, they have already removed this requirement.
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  1. zloybond
    zloybond 26 January 2022 15: 50
    +8
    I don't believe in these words at all. Since 2014, all we hear is:
    In vain you, Fedya, for me
    My people are my relatives.
    I'm without thoughts about the people
    I can’t live a day! ..

    In the morning I smear a sandwich -
    Immediately thought: what about the people?
    And the caviar does not climb into the throat,
    And compote does not pour into your mouth!

    I will stand at the window at night.
    And stand all night without sleep
    All worried about Rasee,
    How is it, poor, is she?
    1. bk316
      bk316 26 January 2022 15: 59
      -1
      Since 2014, all we hear

      Has at least one official since 2014 declared the need to supply at least some weapons to the LDNR?
      There was no such thing, and it could not be, in our country people in such positions just don’t say anything. It's another matter that you have to admit something first.
      So this is most likely a statement about the need to recognize the DNR and LNR.
      It is understandable and so it goes.
      Another thing is interesting, what weapons should the LDNR supply?
      They will not be able to use aviation, air defense, so 404 has practically no aviation.
      Artoo, that's the way it is. We don't have UAVs. I think they will put it symmetrically - ATGM ....
      1. zloybond
        zloybond 26 January 2022 16: 20
        +6
        Well, why - if you supply barrages like this - it’s very effective, from the point of view of banderlogs hiding their BMs and guns hiding behind the population - it’s generally necessary to use it so as not to hook the population and hit the squares.
        "God created people strong and weak. Samuel Colt made them equal" - Of course, one must definitely help with weapons.
      2. DymOk_v_dYmke
        DymOk_v_dYmke 26 January 2022 16: 43
        +18
        Quote: bk316
        in order to put something, you must first recognize it.
        So this is most likely a statement about the need to recognize the DNR and LNR.
        It is understandable and so it goes.

        Completely crooked ER message.
        I think the sequence is the following:
        1. Recognition of the LNR and DNR.
        2. Appeal of the LPR and DPR with a request to be accepted into the CSTO.
        3. Acceptance.
        4. Full cover.

        PS The faction of the Communist Party of the Russian Federation correctly raised the issue of urgent recognition of the DPR and LPR.
        Looks like they're trying to screw it up again.
        1. bk316
          bk316 26 January 2022 16: 47
          +1
          And I about it. You can only skip with the CSTO, a direct agreement on military cooperation is also good, but the CSTO is better.
          However, this is not important, it does not matter what and how to do it will be decided at the very top - they will correct it there.
          1. DymOk_v_dYmke
            DymOk_v_dYmke 26 January 2022 16: 55
            +3
            Quote: bk316
            You can only skip with the CSTO, a direct agreement on military cooperation is also good, but the CSTO is better.

            Better for two reasons:
            1. The opposition "outcast" / "collective West" is translated into opposition "East" / "West".
            2. Cementation of the CSTO in the common cause.
            1. bk316
              bk316 26 January 2022 17: 04
              -1
              I agree, but it can be long. It can be so.
              1. Recognition.
              2. Conclusion of an agreement on military technical cooperation.
              3. Placement of the base.
              4. Application to the CSTO
              5 Admission to the CSTO.
              6. Referendum.
              7 Admission to the Russian Federation.
              1. DymOk_v_dYmke
                DymOk_v_dYmke 26 January 2022 17: 08
                +3
                Quote: bk316
                6. Referendum.
                7 Admission to the Russian Federation.

                Yes, 6 and 7 are highly desirable.
            2. mikh-korsakov
              mikh-korsakov 26 January 2022 23: 05
              +3
              Not a single member of the CSTO has yet recognized even the annexation of Crimea to the Russian Federation. The old man was muttering something, but this does not count until at least he has gone
        2. yuriy55
          yuriy55 26 January 2022 16: 52
          +1
          Quote: DymOk_v_dYmke
          1. Recognition of the LNR and DNR.
          2. Appeal of the LPR and DPR with a request to be accepted into the CSTO.
          3. Acceptance.
          4. Full cover.

          good
          Quite right. And after the restoration of peace and full integration of the economy, consider joining the Russian Federation.
          Protection will be based on the CSTO agreement ...
        3. private person
          private person 26 January 2022 17: 17
          +10
          2. Appeal of the LPR and DPR with a request to be accepted into the CSTO.

          And what will the members of the CSTO say? They have not recognized Crimea as Russian for 8 years, and then here they are to recognize the LDNR, which means to defend themselves in the event of an attack.
          1. DymOk_v_dYmke
            DymOk_v_dYmke 26 January 2022 17: 26
            -4
            Quote: private person
            And what will the members of the CSTO say? They have not recognized Crimea as Russian for 8 years, and then here they are to recognize the LDNR, which means to defend themselves in the event of an attack.

            I think they'll approve.
            Of the six states: Armenia, Belarus, Kazakhstan, Kyrgyzstan, Russia, Tajikistan, only Kyrgyzstan and Tajikistan can cause little doubt
        4. gurzuf
          gurzuf 26 January 2022 17: 20
          +3
          Set "-". "Appeal of the LPR and the DPR with a request to be admitted to the CSTO." Is it in order to break up the CSTO or so that allies would run out of it?
          1. DymOk_v_dYmke
            DymOk_v_dYmke 26 January 2022 17: 33
            -1
            Quote: gurzuf
            Set "-". "Appeal of the LPR and the DPR with a request to be admitted to the CSTO." Is it in order to break up the CSTO or so that allies would run out of it?

            Here is a test for an alliance for you: whoever ran is not an ally, but a hanger-on.
            Cry, "-" You will not be from me. yes
            1. gurzuf
              gurzuf 27 January 2022 22: 14
              +1
              There is enough without this test. Regular border conflicts between the Kyrgyz and Tajiks for example.
        5. White man
          White man 26 January 2022 17: 22
          -1
          Let me continue you further:
          5. From paragraphs 1 to 4, this is the actual annexation of part of the Ukrainian (and this is recognized today by everyone, including Russia) territory and somewhere between them there is an unconditional war;
          6. A quick departure, at least, from the five permanent members of the UN Security Council (I doubt that China will intervene in such a situation) and
          7. A very likely transition to the company of rogue countries with all the consequences
          The old paranoid dream of the Anglo-Saxons about the isolation of Russia.
          Your desire to arrange a war game in Ukraine coincides with the American one. Only they assume by proxy
          1. DymOk_v_dYmke
            DymOk_v_dYmke 26 January 2022 17: 39
            +2
            Quote: White man
            Your desire to arrange a war game in Ukraine coincides with the American one. Only they assume by proxy

            Here is a covert supply of weapons without recognition - this is a proxy war.
            Kazakhstan showed. that a quick and open reaction and the coven extinguishes and plugs up the pasture. hi
            1. private person
              private person 26 January 2022 18: 57
              +4
              Kazakhstan showed. that a quick and open reaction and the coven extinguishes and plugs up the pasture.

              But why did Tokayev eventually admit that there was no attack by 20 thousand terrorists?
              1. Victorio
                Victorio 26 January 2022 22: 57
                0
                Quote: private person
                Kazakhstan showed. that a quick and open reaction and the coven extinguishes and plugs up the pasture.

                But nothing that, in the end, Tokayev admitted that there was no attack 20 thousand terrorists ?

                ===
                eyewitness bloggers from alma-ata roughly agree on this figure. radicals entered the city in columns and from different directions
                1. private person
                  private person 27 January 2022 07: 37
                  +1
                  radicals entered the city in columns and from different directions

                  Or maybe it was not the radicals, but the residents of the surrounding cities and villages who decided to join the protests? Well, replenish your meager welfare by looting expensive stores. And there were no terrorists and radicals there, but were the impoverished inhabitants of their country?
                  1. Victorio
                    Victorio 27 January 2022 14: 22
                    -1
                    Quote: private person
                    radicals entered the city in columns and from different directions

                    Or maybe it was not the radicals, but the residents of the surrounding cities and villages who decided to join the protests? Well, replenish your meager welfare by looting expensive stores. And there were no terrorists and radicals there, but were the impoverished inhabitants of their country?

                    ===
                    Not really. organized (brought, dropped off, moved to the center from different directions), with an improvised "tool" in their hands, along the way they opened cash registers, gas station machines, they were not distracted by looting.
                    if necessary, I can look for a link to the video, in my opinion I bookmarked myself somewhere
                    1. private person
                      private person 27 January 2022 17: 03
                      +1
                      Not really. organized (brought, dropped off, moved to the center from different directions)

                      Well, couldn’t their citizens from other cities and villages? Why do you think that the protesters could not come from other cities? And where are the bodies of these terrorists? If they really were, then turn them around, they would certainly have been shown to the whole world.
                      1. Victorio
                        Victorio 27 January 2022 17: 54
                        -2
                        Quote: private person
                        Not really. organized (brought, dropped off, moved to the center from different directions)

                        Well, couldn’t their citizens from other cities and villages? Why do you think that the protesters could not come from other cities? And where are the bodies of these terrorists? If they really were, then turn them around, they would certainly have been shown to the whole world.

                        ===
                        I did not write anything about foreigners, where they come from - questions to the special services. but the fact that they are organized radicals, extremists and criminals indicates their actions and the results of such actions.
        6. alystan
          alystan 26 January 2022 20: 11
          +2
          On the first point, the issue has already been raised for discussion in the State Duma by the Communist Party faction.
          Turchak omitted the second and third points and went straight to the fourth.
          To not waste time. Everything seems to be correct.
          the Americans scream and yell about everything and nothing, while they themselves continue to supply arms to Ukraine on the sly.
          Once the Rubicon has been crossed, then in the confrontation with the West (already almost open) one should not become like them and build innocence itself out of oneself, and at the same time add fuel to the fire.
        7. Vladimir Mashkov
          Vladimir Mashkov 27 January 2022 17: 20
          -3
          Quote: DymOk_v_dYmke
          The Communist Party faction correctly raised the issue of urgent recognition of the DPR and LPR.
          Looks like they're trying to screw it up again.

          Neither the supply of the most modern weapons to the LDNR, nor the recognition of the cores of the Donetsk and Lugansk regions - the LDNR - the issue of the existence of a "hornet's nest" of Russophobia and neo-Nazism near Russia with the prospect of becoming a springboard for NATO does NOT solve the issue! Both thinking and acting must be broader, more promising, more decisive, and not like a horse in blinders! smile
        8. Reserve buildbat
          Reserve buildbat 29 January 2022 12: 51
          0
          Or maybe first the recognition of the DPR and LPR, then the DEMAND to liberate the occupied territories, and then the anti-Nazi operation with missiles?
          1. DymOk_v_dYmke
            DymOk_v_dYmke 29 January 2022 13: 22
            0
            Quote: Stroibat stock
            Or maybe first the recognition of the DPR and LPR, then the DEMAND to liberate the occupied territories, and then the anti-Nazi operation with missiles?

            Unfortunately, the Nazi power of Ukraine is recognized by Russia => it is rather complicated with rockets. hi
      3. 210ox
        210ox 26 January 2022 16: 44
        -2
        Lavrov's words to the appeal of the vice-speaker. "The Russian Federation is a supporter of the Minsk agreements." But in practice it is quiet. After all, it was not the miners who dug up the artillery
      4. AUL
        AUL 26 January 2022 16: 58
        +2
        Quote: Thrifty
        It's another matter that you have to admit something first.
        So this is most likely a statement about the need to recognize the DNR and LNR.

        It looks like Mr. Turchak is sleeping very soundly at the meetings of the Federation Council! And I overslept the fact that the State Duma has not yet recognized the DPR / LPR. That's when we recognize these republics - no questions. But for some reason this question in the State Duma has been hanging for a long time and firmly. So to whom does Mr. Turchak propose to ship weapons? Just bring it and dump it on the territory of Ukraine? (So far, officially, we, the Russian Federation, consider these republics to be part of Ukraine).
        So Mr. Turchak decided to promote himself, but only flashed with incompetence!
      5. URAL72
        URAL72 26 January 2022 18: 08
        +2
        At least once since 2014, at least one official has declared the need to supply at least some weapons to the LDNR?

        And more than once. Even Voldemar the Terrible said that if the West supplies offensive types of weapons to Ukraine, Russia will be forced to supply modern weapons to the Donbass.
      6. abrakadabre
        abrakadabre 27 January 2022 10: 05
        -1
        Air defense like 404 has practically no aviation.
        But Western curators have it. Both shock and VTA. That's for her and use.
    2. SRC P-15
      SRC P-15 26 January 2022 16: 00
      0
      Since the beginning of the year alone, 11 military transport planes have landed in Kiev with military assistance, while the United States plans to send several more aircraft with weapons.

      To land a couple of these sides ...
    3. Thrifty
      Thrifty 26 January 2022 16: 14
      0
      Politicians "our" gefesht make themselves on the blood of politicians! First, the Kremlin needs to recognize the republics, and then the talking shop does not move! And weapons and ammunition, as well as equipment, SHOULD BE OFFICIALLY supplied from the beginning of the civil war! Interestingly, someone will remind Putin of his decision Republicans not to enter Mariupol? After all, they could have completely returned their lands from the yoke of Vukrievsky to the LDNR ...
      1. neurostimulator
        neurostimulator 26 January 2022 16: 54
        -6
        You have noted a very important detail of what is happening.
      2. Ryaruav
        Ryaruav 26 January 2022 18: 26
        -1
        and what to remind him, what not to remind, the kid gave the word the kid took the word back
    4. neurostimulator
      neurostimulator 26 January 2022 16: 53
      -7
      ))) five points for you, for the quote))) and one plus sign)).
  2. mojohed2012
    mojohed2012 26 January 2022 15: 54
    +8
    It would be long overdue.\
    The US and NATO are openly, brazenly and contrary to any Minsk and Norman agreements and formats pumping up one of the parties to the conflict, shouting at Russia - Stop the thief! And we sit still and wait for the Armed Forces of Ukraine, armed with Western weapons and mercenaries, to attack the defenseless police of the LDNR, first sweeping their positions with artillery, and then irresistibly flying to the border with the Russian Federation with strike groups.
    No! Let's arm the LDNR in response to arming the Armed Forces of Ukraine from the West. And it is necessary to arm, incl. anti-tank systems, MANPADS, air defense systems, electronic warfare equipment from UAVs, other weapons comparable to those supplied from Britain and the USA to Kiev.
    And there is nothing to be afraid of sanctions - they will introduce them anyway, they will just shout tomorrow: And now, in view of the aggression and the inevitable attack of the Russian Federation on Ukraine, we are introducing hellish sanctions! What is there to say! In the WTO, the US is suing for hundreds of millions of dollars in import substitution of the Russian Federation that was not coordinated with the United States. The Western world finally took up arms against us. This is the edge and the end, further retreat only to PARADISE.
    1. Kronos
      Kronos 26 January 2022 17: 46
      +3
      Does the agreement spell out a ban on the supply of weapons to Ukraine?
  3. Region-25.rus
    Region-25.rus 26 January 2022 15: 55
    +3
    which is eventually applied against the Donetsk and Luhansk People's Republics. In Donbass, the number of shellings is growing, civilians are dying

    According to the Secretary of the General Council of "United Russia"

    United Russia attended to ordinary people??? belay Sounds like a fantasy or.. an attempt at PR what
  4. rocket757
    rocket757 26 January 2022 15: 56
    +5
    Vice Speaker of the Federation Council Turchak announced the need to supply arms to the republics of Donbass
    . This is understandable, it's time to legalize "voentorg".
    There are ways that it is time to designate officially.
    1. SSA
      SSA 26 January 2022 17: 08
      +8
      From a diplomatic point of view, this is very difficult to do. On the one hand, if you start OFFICIALLY supplying heavy weapons to a troubled region, then all of Europe will immediately start pointing a finger, - "Look, Russia is pumping army weapons, rebellious provinces, a sovereign state! And not somewhere in Africa, Asia, but here , in Europe! Guard!"

      Yes, the United States supplies weapons, but it supplies an officially recognized state, and although many in Europe are well aware that this is not the smartest decision, but ... it’s one thing to supply anti-tank systems to a not very smart, but official government, and another thing to supply Tochki-U, SAM, artillery, individual provinces of the state.

      On the other hand, recognizing the DPR and LPR is also nonsense. Do not forget that Abkhazia fell away from Georgia, even with the collapse of the USSR, that is, in fact, the state of Georgia did not exist. This is different.

      No, such drastic decisions are in no way in favor of Russia. After all, then even those countries that cringe at the actions of the United States and Great Britain, from their cries - "Look how bad they are there", will really come to the conclusion that Russia is openly, brazenly and without hiding, taking apart the sovereign state of Ukraine.

      The only thing that can be done is to put Ukraine before the fact of unacceptable losses, without any effect on the world stage. And this is only the training of the militia, covert deliveries of weapons (and this is definitely not Tochka-U), intelligence, specialists, equipment.

      Europe is not happy with the fire of civil war blazing at its side, and the longer this conflict will blaze, the more dissatisfied there will be. Sooner or later they will make claims to the US and UK heating the boiler.
      1. DymOk_v_dYmke
        DymOk_v_dYmke 26 January 2022 17: 54
        0
        Quote: SSA
        harsh decisions, not in favor of Russia. After all, then even those countries that cringe at the actions of the United States and Great Britain ... will really come to the conclusion that Russia is openly, brazenly and without hiding, taking apart the sovereign state of Ukraine.

        The Europeans (especially the Poles) themselves would be happy to dismantle this misunderstanding into parts.
      2. rocket757
        rocket757 26 January 2022 18: 52
        +2
        Quote: SSA
        On the other hand, recognizing the DPR and LPR is also nonsense. Do not forget that Abkhazia fell away from Georgia, even with the collapse of the USSR, that is, in fact, the state of Georgia did not exist. This is different.

        The republics seceded precisely because of the unconstitutional coup ... the legitimacy of the central government, at that time, pure prophonation ... it is very stupid that ours recognized the legitimacy of the subsequent elections. This is a mistake / stupidity that will have to be disentangled endlessly.
        PS It is clear that our Kukuevsky and the West are on recognition / not recognition of pof, but from the point of view .... in general, there would be some sense in this even now.
  5. Romario_Argo
    Romario_Argo 26 January 2022 15: 58
    +6
    indeed, a fair amount of Tochka-U OTRK under 10 brigade sets has already accumulated at the storage bases and you can’t count how many missiles for them
    transfer LDNR like as penguins write there: - military aid in the form of lethal weapons wassat
    this is certainly not a super weapon like: Jevalin or TOW2
    we are Russians we love to hammer rusty bent nails with a microscope wassat
    1. rocket757
      rocket757 26 January 2022 16: 55
      +1
      If the POINT is slightly modernized, it will be a formidable weapon ... and with us, it lies and lies until the moment when it has to be disposed of.
      1. Cananecat
        Cananecat 26 January 2022 17: 14
        0
        Quote: rocket757
        If the POINT is slightly modernized

        Make parking lots on the territory of Russia, and positions a couple of kilometers away on the territories of the LDNR ... only fairy tales are all. It’s easier for us to deploy equipment at the border before X o’clock .. everything else for dill will be prompted by their sick imagination.
  6. tralflot1832
    tralflot1832 26 January 2022 16: 05
    +3
    There is a good song:
    Я
    I don’t sleep all night, and the north wind, moderate to strong, is breaking through my windows.
  7. Sergey Aleksandrovich
    Sergey Aleksandrovich 26 January 2022 16: 15
    -7
    Armored vehicles of the "Shot" or "Typhoon" type of various modifications can and should be supplied, if not by the thousands, then by the hundreds.
  8. Kesha1980
    Kesha1980 26 January 2022 16: 19
    +8
    Populism.
    Representatives of the legislative bodies of the Russian Federation are not officials for foreign policy activities. Their words for ranking within the country.
    Moreover, "putting a finger to the nose" I think that in the event of an attack by the Armed Forces of Ukraine (first the Nazis, and then everyone will be drawn in), Russia will be forced to endure for a couple of days and only "call on international institutions." Although, of course, the residents of the People's Militia of the LDNR will also have to really "endure". And shed blood. Russia will not respond immediately. I think a strong mess is not acceptable, but you will have to be patient. This is the price of official policy. Hold on, brothers, sisters and even little children.
    1. Third district
      Third district 26 January 2022 16: 39
      +1
      Quote: Kesha1980
      Russia will be forced to endure for a couple of days and only "call on international institutions." Although, of course, the residents of the People's Militia of the LDNR will also have to really "endure". And shed blood. Russia will not respond immediately.

      How in 2014 they will express concern and open criminal cases against the Ukrainian army and its command.
      1. Kesha1980
        Kesha1980 26 January 2022 16: 48
        0
        I think a little differently. Diplomatic ways are obligatory first (the regulations are as follows) for a settlement in the Security Council.
        Then try to find evidence of the use of "military-technical assistance from NATO countries" by the Nazis or the Armed Forces of Ukraine for civilian purposes of the LDNR. Even according to the "bunkers" of the NM LDNR (the fact of the use of "defensive weapons" in the absence of an offensive). A very important point is the possibility of appealing to the "supplies of the NATO countries."
        I have to somewhat cynically point out the importance of fixing civilian victims through the fault of the Armed Forces of Ukraine. I don't want it, but it's a harsh reality.
        1. Ryazan87
          Ryazan87 26 January 2022 17: 20
          +2
          And what do you think these actions will achieve? To whom are you going to appeal?
          1. SSA
            SSA 26 January 2022 18: 06
            -1
            How would you like to appeal? To tumble into the porch of a neighbor with a club in his hands with a formidable roar to say - "Are you offending your household here?" - not the best solution.

            70 percent of the European population does not know anything about Western and Eastern Ukraine, about the Russian-speaking Donetsk and Luhansk regions, and all the cries that OUR people are being killed there, they do not understand at all, "What can OUR people be on the territory of another state ?!" - so the majority will think and condemn the actions of Russia.

            No need to look at the Crimea here. There were flags, flowers, joyful cries. Europe said - "But you can't do that! Although ... everyone seems to be happy, in short, figure it out yourself."

            And if you with incomprehensible cries - "Ours are being beaten!" - start "hammering" the territory of a neighboring state with operational-tactical missiles, bombers, and move a couple of infantry divisions there, the Europeans will shy away from you like from the revived mummy of Lenin!

            And the first thing they will do is ask NATO and the US, and the whole world in general, to protect them from this enraged bear, who growls something unintelligible and tears poor Ukrainians to pieces.
            1. abrakadabre
              abrakadabre 27 January 2022 10: 13
              0
              How would you like to appeal? To tumble into the porch of a neighbor with a club in his hands with a formidable roar to say - "Are you offending your household here?" - not the best solution.
              So eight!!! years offend household members. Would you endure for a long time if the neighbors behind the wall for eight years in a row, day and night, arranged shooting, explosive packages and beatings among themselves? And they would still be openly scumbags carried booze, cartridges and drugs. At the same time, every day they would shout through the wall that they would get to you, how they would cut their own. And when they met at the entrance through their teeth, they would sing that they would no longer make noise.
              Don't you think this situation is absurd, in relation to you personally and your neighbors?
              1. SSA
                SSA 27 January 2022 14: 52
                0
                For the situation you describe, on a national scale, there is a UN resolution, there is a request for assistance. And now, you are proposing to start strikes by one country against the territory and armed forces of another country!

                No arguments that there are people related by blood will be understandable for Europe, you will simply be presented as an aggressor who, by force of arms, killing and destroying, seizes the territory of a neighboring state !!!

                Even the United States, operating in Syria, deployed its bases under the pretext "to fight international terrorism." Turkey did the same.

                Using our allegories, if you go to a neighbor's apartment and start breaking skulls and bones with a club, screaming at the same time
                - "You have a mess here, comrade, you are arguing with the household here" - then the residents of all the other apartments will think -
                - Tomorrow I will quarrel with my wife, he will break into my apartment! And my skull will blow! We must quickly get rid of such an inadequate neighbor!
          2. Kesha1980
            Kesha1980 26 January 2022 18: 10
            +2
            And what do you think these actions will achieve? To whom are you going to appeal?

            And you don't ask me such questions. Ask the Foreign Ministry and Putin. I am only expressing my assumptions about the actions of the relevant authorities, consistent with the observance of international law. Especially the procedures for the ICC.
            The easiest and fastest option for the LDNR to separate (in international law) from Ukraine is to properly fix war crimes against the "community of people". Plus a "mouthpiece" pointing to this (Russia). An analogue is the collapse of Yugoslavia.
            1. Ryazan87
              Ryazan87 27 January 2022 12: 48
              0
              The easiest and fastest option for the LDNR to separate (in international law) from Ukraine is to properly fix war crimes against the "community of people".

              The previous questions are clear, but allow me one more (see the quoted quote): are you serious?
              War crimes as a basis for secession? I won’t even ask about your understanding of the jurisdiction of the ICC.
              1. Kesha1980
                Kesha1980 27 January 2022 14: 24
                0
                I'm talking about genocide - the destruction of a certain community of people, due to language, religion, etc.
                This is the jurisdiction of the ICC.
          3. Vladimir61
            Vladimir61 26 January 2022 21: 34
            +2
            Quote: Ryazanets87
            And what do you think these actions will achieve? To whom are you going to appeal?
            Didn't you understand? This appeal to us... from the outskirts! Like, you first prove ..., and then ...
            1. Ryazan87
              Ryazan87 27 January 2022 12: 49
              0
              Yes, the meaning slipped a little.
        2. SSA
          SSA 26 January 2022 17: 42
          -2
          YES! You have stated very well, the main thing is to lay a solid foundation for any action.
          But even after that, an open military confrontation with Ukraine cannot be allowed.

          Perhaps it would be necessary to establish trade relations with the LDNR, without recognizing their independence as separate republics. Buy coal from them, restore industry, send our specialists to restore mines, because this money will go to improve people's lives. And not to inflate the conflict.

          In this case, Russia can say to Ukraine and all of Europe - "Look, we care about your citizens, yes, we trade with them, but the fact that they do not transfer money to Ukraine is because you yourself disconnected them from everything, but de- jure, these are your territories!"
          Any harsh rhetoric must be based solely on the position of humanism. For example, send humanitarian missions, doctors, teachers to the LDNR, deploy medical centers, builders who will restore the power grid and the industrial sector and demonstrate all this to Europe, - "Look! We heal, not maim! We build, we feed, we restore the region, all this for the sake of peace and for the sake of the people! For peace on our borders and in general in Europe!"

          But when shells and bombs begin to fall on medical camps, humanitarian missions, and facilities under construction, then you can call the West to witness and say, “Look! The military junta of Ukraine, instead of dialogue, kills people who are trying to establish peace, live peacefully, not fight! National battalions and the military are destroying what we are building, killing our doctors, teachers! Not the military, not volunteers, but doctors and teachers! We will defend ourselves!!!
          1. Kesha1980
            Kesha1980 26 January 2022 18: 18
            -4
            Perhaps it would be necessary to establish trade relations with the LDNR, without recognizing their independence as separate republics. Buy coal from them

            Already. Coal, and even meat products (if it is officially taken into account).
            to restore industry, to send their specialists to the restoration of mines

            Too early, a war is possible there, and the Ukrainians will deliberately attack such objects with aliexpress drones and other terrorist attacks. Too big a risk. Yes, and money ... We do not have much. But the business won't work.
            For example, send humanitarian missions, doctors, teachers to the LDNR, deploy medical centers, builders who will restore the power grid and the industrial sector

            In fact, all these specialists were in the LDNR, now they mainly work in Russia.
            1. SSA
              SSA 26 January 2022 18: 53
              +1
              Quote: Kesha1980
              Too early, a war is possible there, and the Ukrainians will deliberately attack such objects with aliexpress drones and other terrorist attacks. Too big a risk. Yes, and money ... We do not have much. Business won't work

              So it's not about commercial gain at all! We will attack, we will defend.
              A lot of people just don't get it. You need to learn to control the opinion of the masses.

              Imagine that you are a good policeman, and a bad boy is standing against you, a hooligan, followed by three more of his buddies and they all provoke you, and on the sidelines there are just people who are waiting for the bus.
              Yes, you can grab hold of and eventually probably beat these hooligans, but under their cries all the people will think - "These cops are completely insane, the youth are beaten!"
              But when you make a firm tone, culturally and politely 101 remarks, a warning, a demand, when all the people themselves begin to resent the actions of presumptuous hooligans insulting such an honest and noble policeman, then ... then you can already break your hands and knee in the groin beat and everything else. Because your actions will be approved by others, they will also help you!

              World politics, in its essence, is no different from yard fights. You can't "bull" and hit the table with your fist like North Korea.
              From strikes on the territory of Ukraine, the US military lobby will be delighted - We told you! But you didn't believe! Look what the Russians are doing! We urgently need to increase the military budget by another 50 billion!"
              No need to take stupid, unnecessary, short-sighted steps.

              War is not who will change who, but who will change their mind (c)
              1. Kesha1980
                Kesha1980 26 January 2022 19: 44
                -2
                So it's not about commercial gain at all!

                Then the question is - whose money should be invested? Russia? We are only entitled to humanitarian aid. Well, if you are not populists, but realists. And if we set out to discuss only "shout louder and louder," then this is not for me, this is for the above-quoted politician-edros.
                But you, as an individual or legal entity, have the right to engage in entrepreneurial (we carry out with our own funds and involve risk) activities in the LDNR. But you don't want to, do you?
                And, by the way, what has North Korea been giving ultimatums to lately? They "quietly and peacefully test hypersound").
                1. Denis812
                  Denis812 28 January 2022 13: 15
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                  Russia, of course.
                  Private traders will not run to the LDNR because the risks are exorbitant.
                  It's just that Russia needs to be more aggressive in saying that these investments in the purchase of local mines, the restoration of factories and other things are quite a humanitarian aid. :)
                  1. Kesha1980
                    Kesha1980 28 January 2022 13: 26
                    -1
                    And who legally owns the mines? Do you think LDNR? Most likely to persons located in Ukraine. Do you think they will sell them? Yes, the Nazis will peck them for "trading the Motherland with the occupiers."
                    And the Russian budget does not have such items of expenditure. Changes are certainly easy to make - worth noting for the sake of truth. Most likely - the creation of a joint venture (joint venture). Part of the shares for the local.
                    1. Denis812
                      Denis812 28 January 2022 13: 38
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                      I think that the people of the LDNR can carry out local nationalization.
                      And what about the hucksters in Ukraine, well, OK, well, they will be against it.
                      Very sorry.
                      1. Kesha1980
                        Kesha1980 28 January 2022 13: 51
                        0
                        And nationalization-it does not mean "took and took away." When the canal nationalized Egypt, it also reimbursed the cost of shares to the French and British. Nationalization - forced buyout property.
                      2. Denis812
                        Denis812 28 January 2022 13: 54
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                        First, nationalization is different.
                        You tell me about Egypt, and I can refer you to the history of our Motherland. :)
                        in 1917 and beyond, it went without compensation at all :) Isn't it? :)
                        And quite a nationalization.

                        And in any case, you still need to invest.
                        Either people will work at enterprises, or eventually they will return to Ukraine.
                      3. Kesha1980
                        Kesha1980 28 January 2022 14: 05
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                        All decisions, decrees and orders will be valid only in the presence of sovereignty. This is a necessary moment. This is the foundation of the basics. How nationalization or purchase / sale will already take place is not even the fifth thing. At the moment, probably a quarter of the inhabitants of the LDNR live in Russia. So there are most likely no workers there for the functioning of the mines at full load.
                        Recovery money is a big problem. The rates are ridiculous right now. Electricity is cheaper there than in Russia. When the production and extractive sector begins to operate at full capacity, energy prices will also rise. But Russia has no money for restoration. It's not even 10 billion.
                        Without the arrival of business, there will be no recovery. But the business will not come soon. It is obvious.
                      4. Denis812
                        Denis812 28 January 2022 14: 09
                        0
                        Quote: Kesha1980
                        Without the arrival of business, there will be no recovery. But the business will not come soon. It is obvious.

                        Certainly. Therefore, the state must come.
                        And about your talk about sovereignty - look after the fact whether there is Ukraine's sovereignty in the LDNR. It seems to me not at all.
                        Because it's all on the side. It is necessary to come up with beautiful humanitarian names and programs and promote them in the OSCE, despite the fact that there, of course, they will immediately understand and begin to criticize as a violation of the rights of Ukraine. Fuck it.

                        And of course, the Russian Federation has money for restoration, it’s enough to look at the stabilization fund, which has already entered for 600 billion dollars.
                        It's a matter of polit.vole and that's it.
                      5. Kesha1980
                        Kesha1980 28 January 2022 15: 25
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                        I completely agree about the political will. Only Putin continues to assert that the LDNR are regions of Ukraine. That's all political will.
    2. White man
      White man 26 January 2022 17: 34
      -2
      Kesha 1980. Do you happen to know how many "brothers and sisters" renounced Ukrainian citizenship during these eight years? (I'm not arrogant)
      1. Kesha1980
        Kesha1980 26 January 2022 18: 29
        -2
        I don't think anyone refused. This is just a bureaucratic moment. Which does not give pluses, but carries minuses.
        Given the losses on both sides (more than 13.000), if I were them (residents of the LDNR), I would not visit the territory of Ukraine at all - it is dangerous or expensive. And to come to the territory of Ukraine specifically to apply for the termination of citizenship in view of .... - somewhat defiant and stupid. Don't find? (I'm not arrogant)
      2. Ryaruav
        Ryaruav 26 January 2022 18: 35
        0
        white, how many not how many but people move from dill
        1. White man
          White man 4 February 2022 18: 54
          -1
          I'm sorry to be late with the reply. I'm talking about the fact that even in peaceful Crimea, the majority keeps a Ukrainian passport under their pillows (the ancient history has developed such a mentality among southerners, even according to "Matchmakers" it shines through), but here, as in "Wedding in Malinovka". In terms of Nazi terror, Kharkov lives and does not complain. Another moment, if the residents of the LDNR (not the army or hucksters who profit from our humanitarian aid) are offered a choice: free travel to Russia or Europe, what would the majority choose? According to the Ukrainian press, last year labor migrants transferred 15 mod dollars to Ukraine. More than Ukraine received from the sale of grain or rolled metal.
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  9. SKIF555
    SKIF555 26 January 2022 16: 21
    +3
    Make Fools pray to God - they will hurt their foreheads. Not just for yourself, but for others. Anika is a fig warrior.
    1. Cat Alexandrovich
      Cat Alexandrovich 26 January 2022 16: 56
      -2
      He, you see, the laurels of Ukrainian balabols do not let him sleep! Well, nothing stays in your mouth! What do they have, what does this United Russia party have! Without this nerd, what is needed where it is necessary to send, I will send. smarter, quieter...
  10. Pulkovo1942
    Pulkovo1942 26 January 2022 16: 36
    +4
    “We are supporters of the unconditional implementation of the Minsk agreements, which Ukraine is currently sabotaging,” Lavrov told reporters when asked to comment on Turchak’s statement.
    1. yuriy55
      yuriy55 26 January 2022 17: 00
      -3
      Quote: Pulkovo1942
      “We are supporters of the unconditional implementation of the Minsk agreements, which Ukraine is currently sabotaging,” Lavrov said.

      So what?
      Yes, Ukraine has been sabotaging everything for many years ... We couldn’t solve it through diplomacy - give way to Shoigu ...
      There, Kadyrov is eager for a showdown with the national battalions ...
      The time for words has passed. Dozens of planes are carrying weapons to Ukraine. Armed for what?
      Republics have the right to armed protection... The best is said above.
  11. Mr.dimadroll
    Mr.dimadroll 26 January 2022 16: 54
    -9
    Interestingly, "Voevoda" can be transferred to them?
  12. BABAY22
    BABAY22 26 January 2022 16: 55
    +11
    It seems like a whole vice speaker, but he carries such a blizzard.
    In order to officially supply something, you must first officially recognize the republics as independent.
    But no, so open a military office.
  13. Kapkan
    Kapkan 26 January 2022 17: 00
    -3
    Well, it’s not in vain that weapons were brought to the west for so long.
    I approve.
  14. Seld
    Seld 26 January 2022 17: 44
    +1
    "I believe that under these conditions, Russia should provide the Lugansk and Donetsk People's Republics with the necessary assistance in the form of the supply of certain types of weapons to increase their defense capability."- and let it! But on the condition: if something goes wrong, then the Secretary of the General Council of United Russia is sent to publicly avenge the asphalt until the end of his days. Let him publicly give his word (or even better - he will issue it on paper and notarize), that he is ready to bear personal, personal, personified and material Responsibility for everything that follows.
    If all these talkers were responsible for subsequent jambs from such their "offers and initiatives" with their ruble / their dacha / car / bank deposits and heads, there would be fewer clowns. True, and life would be boring ....
    1. vladcub
      vladcub 26 January 2022 18: 09
      0
      "life would become more boring" hence the choice: either we will joke or insipid predictability
  15. opposite28
    opposite28 26 January 2022 17: 50
    +2
    I believe that under these conditions, Russia should provide the Lugansk and Donetsk People's Republics with the necessary assistance in the form of the supply of certain types of weapons to increase their defense capability.
    I can clearly see how Mr. Turchak, with the flag of Russia in one hand, and the other "holding on to the muzzle of the tank," drives into the hero city of Donetsk am
  16. vladcub
    vladcub 26 January 2022 18: 05
    -1
    "he offered to provide military assistance to the Republics of Donbass" this statement can be regarded as "as a subtle allusion to" thick "consequences.
    For example, a signal: "boy "Vova" come to your senses, otherwise it will be "bobo".
    This may also be a signal to "Uncle Seme": stop pampering the "Kiev hooligan".
    Biden is senile, but there are people in the State Department who can add up: 2 + 2 = 4 and must understand what and with what
  17. x917nt
    x917nt 26 January 2022 18: 16
    +3
    Hmm .. In the Minsk agreements, we confirmed that these areas are part of Ukraine. It turns out that Turchak offered to supply weapons to Ukraine?
  18. Tramp
    Tramp 26 January 2022 19: 28
    0
    it's time to give them weapons
  19. p0pulivox
    p0pulivox 26 January 2022 20: 06
    -1
    Vice Speaker of the Federation Council Turchak announced the need to supply arms to the republics of Donbass
    This statement will not entail any legal and practical consequences and is necessary mainly for propaganda purposes: the degree of tension is maintained ...
  20. ALEX_SHTURMAN
    ALEX_SHTURMAN 26 January 2022 21: 48
    0
    It is high time!!!
  21. Victorio
    Victorio 26 January 2022 23: 04
    0
    deliveries of Russian arms to the republics
    ==
    it means that the task of the republics themselves is to resist and hold out for some time during any operation
  22. Alemax
    Alemax 26 January 2022 23: 18
    +1
    According to the Secretary of the General Council of United Russia...


    Maybe it's enough to listen to and quote these overfed noobs already?
    1. DymOk_v_dYmke
      DymOk_v_dYmke 27 January 2022 00: 18
      -1
      Quote from Alex
      Maybe it's enough to listen to and quote these overfed noobs already?

      And you need to listen and quote and explain, so that there are fewer people who vote for them. hi
      1. Alemax
        Alemax 27 January 2022 00: 26
        -1
        ..and explain so that there are fewer people voting for them.


        From this to the target!
  23. Hitriy Zhuk
    Hitriy Zhuk 27 January 2022 07: 03
    0
    Quote: White man
    rogue countries

    Like it's bad.
    The reason is not to sell raw resources, but to restore production.
  24. Alexander X
    Alexander X 27 January 2022 09: 51
    0
    As of mid-February, about 639 thousand people received Russian citizenship in the LDNR. I think that now they have already exceeded 700 thousand people. So the Russians have to be protected there. If they are being fired upon. And they kill. Protect with all available means at the disposal of MORP. This is the duty of the state. Well, in parallel, recognize the LDNR. And further, at the request of the governments of these republics, to help strengthen their defense capability.
  25. abrakadabre
    abrakadabre 27 January 2022 10: 03
    +1
    Against this background, he proposed to provide military assistance to the Donbass republics by supplying them with "certain types" of weapons.
    Yeah, tank, motorized rifle, rocket and artillery, air defense, air force, engineering division sets (divisions, not divisions). Together with the personnel, MTS and command.