If you are afraid to beat strangers, beat your own. Ukraine is preparing for federalization

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Photo: president.gov.ua

Well, three days ago, in an article about Vice Admiral Kae-Ahim Schoenbach, I mentioned that NATO and the United States were not going to fight Russia, and moreover, there was a rather serious split in the ranks of the alliance. At that time, I was very amused by how the famous Polish-Lithuanian-Ukrainian brigade was preparing for the war.

The preparation was intense. But at home. And no special events. Without warning soldiers and officers. Probably so as not to injure the military. Morally. By the way, the same picture is observed now. The commanders of this same brigade never "injure" their subordinates.



Today, I feel very sorry for those who fight against the enemies of Ukraine in the information field. Especially those who work on a well-known Ukrainian site with a beautiful name, where many politicians and journalists consider it an honor to get into. Today they have work up to their necks. I'm afraid they'll choke. So many new enemies of Kiev appeared suddenly...

What a pity that the position of the president is higher than the commander of the Navy


Indeed, it is a pity that the office of president is elective and has no boss over it, except for its own people. I'm not sorry, the guys from the ukrosite are sorry.

It was good with the admiral. They sang the anthem in unison, spoke out on TV, complained to the owner and that's it. The Admiral retired. And he became almost the most popular person in Germany.

The President of Croatia Zoran Milanovic set a task for the Ukrainians. Moreover, he constructed the phrase so cunningly that, on the one hand, it is clear that he is sending Ukraine to a known address, and on the other hand, he remains a true ally of the United States:

“We will not only not send the military, but if there is an escalation, we will withdraw everyone to the last Croatian military. It has nothing to do with Ukraine or Russia, it has to do with the dynamics of American domestic politics, Joe Biden and his administration, which I supported.”

How easy, it turns out, to enter the top "great" from the "Peacemaker". That's right, you lined up the phrase correctly, and you are already in the company of Putin, Lavrov, Shoigu and many other very famous and respected people in the world. And not just in the company, but also with a new, additional position - an agent of the Kremlin! It is a pity that on a voluntary basis ...

So what did President Milanovic do?

The Ukrainians say that he is so unbelted that

1. He stated that Croatia was not going to participate in any war in Ukraine and that Croatia had nothing to do with the conflict between Ukraine and Russia.

2. Declared that Croatia would withdraw every single soldier from the combined forces of NATO, if there is a threat of drawing them into hostilities. 80 soldiers have already been withdrawn from Poland just in case.

3. He stated that Euromaidan is a coup that has nothing to do with democracy.

4. He stated that Ukraine has no place in NATO and that Ukraine's path to the EU did not give Ukraine anything.

5. He stated that Ukraine is one of the most corrupt countries.

The president of a NATO member country doubts the safety of his citizens because of Washington's policy! He states that the Americans may be wrong! He does not want to throw his soldiers into a meat grinder! At the same time, he is not afraid of overseas punishment. Horror, from the point of view of "Square".

And how do you like this statement by President Milanovic, where he actually sends Jens Stoltenberg himself and all of NATO along with him somewhere:

“I am watching reports according to which NATO – not a separate state, not the United States – is strengthening its presence, sending reconnaissance vessels. We have nothing to do with this, and we will not have anything to do with that, I guarantee you.”

Seriously, the Croatian president's statement is indeed a serious warning not only to the Americans, but also to the leadership of the alliance. The leaders of the European countries have long been talking about the fact that NATO behaves too freely in Europe, takes on too much. There are politicians in Europe who put the interests of their population, the lives of their soldiers, above the interests of the United States and NATO.

The defensive block was transformed into a military-political one and began to dictate political and economic demands to the governments of European countries. And mandatory.

Milanovic was the first to voice this position. The position of those who disagree, which threatens to turn into the position of opponents of this organization in its current form.

How to relate to President Milanovic?

Personally, I respect his actions. Respect for a man, for a man.

On the one hand, this is the president of the country, which is set as an example by the same Ukrainians in the issue of solving territorial problems. Remember the "Croatian script".

On the other hand, Milanovich saw the fate of Admiral Schoenbach perfectly well. Boldly for the president of a small country.

Who wants to fight, and who only expresses concern and sells old weapons?


Croatia's position is by no means unique.

If you look at the statements of various European presidents, officials and politicians, you get an interesting picture.

Even the most ardent defenders of Kiev in European organizations, those who have repeatedly torn their shirt on their chests with the cry “we will all rush to the rescue as one,” for some reason talk about protecting their own borders.

Not the borders of Ukraine, but their own. And they call on NATO troops to stand up for the defense of their states. At the same time, the Europeans know perfectly well that no one is going to fight, as well as to seize other people's territories.

So what is really happening?

Why is Kiev seething?

And not because of a possible war. The people are talking about another "famine", "cold sea" and the destruction of Ukrainian business!

And the people are right.

Sometimes it is strange to see how a person, completely unaware of what is happening, does quite reasonable things. TV talks about some kind of help from Western countries, but no one sees this help. unloading weapons he sees in Boryspil, he sees a crematorium for Ukrainian soldiers in a mobile German hospital, but he does not see flour for baking bread.

Yes, and people suspect this weapon.

Why would the British and Americans begin to fill Kiev with weapons?

Help?

Interesting help, which is sold on credit.

Will the grandchildren pay?

Or will the government give part of Ukrainian lands for RPGs?

Or a crazy aunt in her own kitchen during the Brezhnev era with a rifle for 1 euros in her hands ...

I'd rather do some repairs myself. Only he can’t, the rifle was given to hold by foreign journalists. And they gave so much money for the photo that you can’t even buy a good knife.

For two months the Americans, the British and their assistants have been screaming about the war between Russia and Ukraine. They shouted so that even the Ukrainians believed.

But that was not the goal.

The goal is money! Against the background of rumors about the war, the economy of Ukraine just flies into hell. Assets are falling in price at a breakneck pace.

And who buys them?

It is clear that they are not Ukrainians. The usual: nothing personal, just business.

But who will fight on the side of Ukraine?


Alas, nothing new is happening in this world.

Ukrainians will fight on the side of Ukraine! And they will fight with the Ukrainians.

The armies of other countries, if they appear on the territory of this country, it will happen when it will no longer be necessary to fight.

Perhaps they will dilute Ukrainian soldiers, for example, with Czechs.

The government of this country has not been determined specifically. But in some statements, there is an opinion about the possible participation of the Czechs in the war. It is doubtful that this will be done, but even if this happens, it is unlikely that the Czechs will fight better than the Armed Forces of Ukraine.

Washington has long made no secret of the fact that the life of an American soldier is more important to him than the existence of the state of Ukraine.

This is just plain pragmatism. Understanding the fact that sooner or later the units participating in the war will intersect with the Russian ones. Further - a direct path to nuclear war. And then it won't matter who presses the button first.

Germany?

The Germans also openly declare their non-participation in real hostilities. Even lethal weapons from Germany will not be given to Ukrainians.

France?

Is the same story. We will help! But we will not fight.

I especially like the position of Britain.

In the event of a war, all British troops will be withdrawn from Ukraine. But so far there is no war ... The British are leading a huge grouping in ... Estonia of 1 people. 200 British, 830 French and local Rambos. But almost 300 military specialists are now in Ukraine. About those 100 commandos, specialists in sabotage and actions in cities, everyone tries to keep silent.

"There are no plans to send combat units of British troops to the region, but sanctions are being considered if Russia goes further."

What is the result for today?


The understanding that the country is abandoned, and no help from those who have been talking about friendship and support for many years, has already come to even the most stubborn Ukrainians.

This explains the undisguised impudence of Zelensky, Kuleba and other Ukrainian officials. Today they are just the cat that was cornered. They will rush at everyone, not understanding who is friend and who is enemy.

Today, with a high probability, we can say that Kiev has decided to refrain from war.

Yes, provocations by individual units and battalions, some flying squads and just individual idiots are possible. Some sabotage is likely, but the official operation of the Armed Forces of Ukraine will not be announced. In order not to provoke a response from Russia.

Today, the main thing for Zelensky is to keep the country from a new Maidan. And it will not be Maidan in its classical form. Banking need not worry. The speeches on Zelensky’s birthday showed that these Maidans will not end without bloodshed. The new Maidan will go to the regions. There, where the security forces are not so devoted to the Kiev authorities and simply join the protesters.

It seems to me that the time has come to divide the country. Simply put, the time of federalization of Ukraine.

This is what will be an alternative to the bloody war in the Donbass for citizens. True, there are no guarantees that this federalization will take place peacefully everywhere. Moreover, armed detachments for the forceful opposition to Kiev have already been created. Although they are disguised as territorial defense units against Russia.

Thus, the refusal of the United States and NATO to support the state of Ukraine means at least the end of the existence of the country in the form in which it exists today, and at the maximum, the beginning of the collapse and departure of some regions.

I can’t say what it is: death or birth pains ... We will look further ...
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  1. +11
    28 January 2022 04: 01
    the beginning of the collapse and departure of some regions.
    It is high time ! And joining the LDNR ...
    1. -6
      28 January 2022 11: 21
      Can you tell me which one exactly? and then, this topic is not disclosed by the author ... feel
    2. +1
      28 January 2022 12: 43
      "Shche ne vmerla", but the denouement is already on the way to this historical and legal temporary territorial misunderstanding with the name "outskirts"))
  2. +6
    28 January 2022 04: 12
    The understanding that the country is abandoned, and no help from those who have been talking about friendship and support for many years, has already come to even the most stubborn Ukrainians.

    As Stanislavsky said, I do not believe.

    1. The upper classes both sold their country and continue (here sometimes Ukrainians give local Jews 5 points in advance) and will continue.
    2. The people still believe that they will live well someday. Which is fundamentally wrong.
    3. They are not Russian and that says it all.

    The main thing is that Russia should not take care of this failed state. I categorically support Russian citizens in Lugansk and Donetsk.
    1. +9
      28 January 2022 06: 46
      The author touches me with his naivety. Okay, de-dollarization... "Ukraine is preparing for federalization" Why not disintegrate? Is the slogan outdated? In fact, a person lives in another dimension. Remember, as long as Russia is pursuing a policy independent of the West, there will be Ukraine in its current form. For the West needs a buffer in the confrontation with Russia.
      1. +11
        28 January 2022 07: 19
        Quote: 210ox
        For the West needs a buffer in the confrontation with Russia.

        The buffer and red lines are necessary for the Kremlin. And the West needs anti-Russia. What the West has successfully achieved.
        1. +3
          28 January 2022 07: 49
          I agree. It's just that "anti-Russia" should be a single territory, according to the idea of ​​the West. This is what I want to convey to the author. But it's useless. Ema shout out the slogan is more important
          1. -2
            28 January 2022 08: 28
            And should the West also feed her united?
            1. +6
              28 January 2022 09: 39
              But the sheriff does not care about the problems of the Indians. However, why not feed? It is clear that loans are still that "feeding", but without them the economy would be bent.
      2. +6
        28 January 2022 08: 14
        I have one memory sclerosis turned out to be in a less acute stage?
        If I am not mistaken, when all this hysteria was just beginning with forcing and accusing each other of aggression, that Ze, that Stoltenberg, that Bidon said that only Ukrainian soldiers would defend the Ukrainian land.
        And yet!
        But as soon as two (!) statements flickered, the authors began to race to build conspiracy theories!
        True, the people accurately noticed - Staver is not Cassandra. His predictions do not come true....
      3. +3
        28 January 2022 11: 12
        Is Russia pursuing a policy independent of the West? Do not make me laugh. Do you even know what a reserve fund is and why not a penny can be spent from it? True independence is economic independence, but in our country it does not smell of it.
        1. 0
          28 January 2022 14: 36
          Economic independence.... Name at least one economically independent country in our global world.... I agree with you that politics is certainly tied to the economy. And in this regard, certain actions of our country look like raising rates, a bluff. As you wish.
  3. +4
    28 January 2022 04: 17
    If Russia simply continues to look at Ukraine, then the impudent Saxons will dig in thoroughly in all its regions.
    1. +6
      28 January 2022 04: 27
      Quote: VORON538
      If Russia just keeps looking at Ukraine

      Are you already in the ranks of the militia? Or do you intend to comment only on reports?
      1. +3
        28 January 2022 04: 38
        By the way, in the forefront of the militia, it is necessary to create a company of their State Duma deputies from United Russia
        1. +6
          28 January 2022 09: 09
          And what is not from the Communist Party? There they are just declaring both immediate recognition and accession ... So it is precisely the Communist Party of the Russian Federation that should go in orderly columns into the trenches of Donbass.
        2. -3
          28 January 2022 11: 28
          Demining? then another commie...
    2. +7
      28 January 2022 07: 25
      Quote: VORON538
      If Russia simply continues to look at Ukraine, then the impudent Saxons will dig in thoroughly in all its regions.

      This actually happened. What else is left for Russia? She chose her path in 2014 by signing the Minsk agreements. Everything else is a logical development.

      Yes. And suddenly in Russia they forgot about the lack of alternatives to the Minsk agreements and now the deputies are throwing up decisions on recognizing the republics and supplying weapons there! There is no doubt that this is an initiative of the Kremlin. But by doing this, the Kremlin says that the previous decisions were wrong.
      1. +3
        28 January 2022 07: 53
        I think it's just populism. There are a lot of problems in the country, we need to work and solve them. But it’s easier and more effective to throw a populist idea, that’s how good we are. The Kremlin is not responding. Pokv
      2. -3
        28 January 2022 08: 29
        Rather, it suggests that you write nonsense.
        1. +9
          28 January 2022 12: 05
          Quote: EvilLion
          Rather, it suggests that you write nonsense.

          Your objection will not be complete without a clear argument. But to express indignation and rejection by the opponent, it will do))
  4. -8
    28 January 2022 04: 28
    It is interesting how the state defends its citizens, for example, a Russian citizen abducted in the Donbass and recently a case in Kazakhstan, which declared a citizen of Kyrgyzstan a terrorist, but it turned out that the musician
    1. +5
      28 January 2022 09: 12
      Quote: Alexander Galaktionov
      It is interesting how the state defends its citizens, for example, a Russian citizen abducted in the Donbass and recently a case in Kazakhstan, which declared a citizen of Kyrgyzstan a terrorist, but it turned out that the musician

      And what does the Kyrgyz rapper detained by the Kazakh authorities for participating in the riots in Kazakhstan and Russia have to do with it?
  5. +9
    28 January 2022 05: 33
    Croatia is not going to participate in any war in Ukraine
    The funny thing is that Ukrainians seriously consider the participation of the West in the Ukrainian armed conflict just natural and inevitable. And here they are actively trying the American slogan - "Whoever is not with us is against us!" pull under you. How so, "the whole world is with us", and then suddenly some Croatia refuses to fight for (instead of) Ukraine, and Germany to supply weapons. The fact that the Americans are also not going to fight for them (instead of them), the Ukrainians "tactfully" keep silent, because. it’s better not to open your mouth at the owner and you won’t add his representatives to the “Peacemaker” by default.
    1. +6
      28 January 2022 06: 28
      But I wonder what the character is doing now, shouting "Omeriga is with us!" at the Crimean airfield in 2014?
      1. +5
        28 January 2022 06: 41
        Quote: 210ox
        But I wonder what the character is doing now, shouting "Omeriga is with us!" at the Crimean airfield in 2014?

        Who is this??...Many people were shouting...Senchenko, Goncharenko, Kunitsyn, members of the Mejlis...everyone was at the airport and everyone was "shouting"?? laughing
        1. +16
          28 January 2022 06: 59
          Well, of course .. A well-known character - in 2015, Yuli Mamchur, already a parliamentary deputy, together with his faction colleague Alexei Goncharenko, "conditionally awarded" a Turkish pilot who shot down a Russian plane in the sky over Syria. In 2019, the Mamchur family purchased an apartment in Montenegro. The apartment was registered for the colonel's wife. After several years of being a deputy, he is now resting, in 19 he was not re-elected.
          1. +8
            28 January 2022 07: 53
            Well, what country, such and its defenders. Tired mamchur and patriotically moved to Montenegro, there will be a happy day for Nenko from afar :)))
    2. -6
      28 January 2022 11: 37
      What are you experiencing? Croatia subscribed to the NATO response. 30 countries, unanimously ... there will be a decision to get involved - they will go too ...
      1. +3
        28 January 2022 13: 52
        Yes, no one will get involved for the "nenko". Shouting, shaking your fists, imposing sanctions, throwing up weapons so that they don’t die out longer - that’s what they will do. Well, all sorts of garbage from everywhere to catch up in the war game to drive. Nothing will change drastically.
        1. -1
          28 January 2022 14: 05
          Well there is no way. I do not convince.
    3. +4
      28 January 2022 14: 37
      "and then suddenly some Croatia refuses to fight for (instead of) Ukraine" ///
      ---
      Prime Minister of Croatia the day after the President's statement
      refuted his words. And stated that they do not reflect the opinion of the government
      Horatii.
  6. +6
    28 January 2022 06: 42
    Ukraine is preparing for federalization
    It seems to me that the time has come to divide the country. Simply put, the time of federalization of Ukraine.
    Is it prepared or does it seem so? And with whom is the author going to share? And so all the same federalization or division? By the way, federalization is spelled out in the Minsk agreements, but where is the division? Are you suggesting that Russia come up with an initiative to divide Ukraine? smile Not not accept it into NATO, but simply share it? smile How will the United States be happy with this offer ..
    1. +17
      28 January 2022 07: 05
      It seems to me that the time has come to divide the country.
      Inspired by an immortal work:
      - It's wonderful, I swear to God. What would you suggest from your side?
      - But what is there to offer? .. And then they write, write ... Congress, some Germans ... My head swells. Take everything and share...
      “That's what I thought,” exclaimed Philipp Philippovich, slapping the tablecloth with his palm, “that's exactly what I thought.
    2. +1
      28 January 2022 11: 38
      federalization is spelled out in the Minsk agreements
      Not registered, do not invent.
  7. +1
    28 January 2022 06: 53
    At that time, I was very amused by how the famous Polish-Lithuanian-Ukrainian brigade.
    They are bandits. And everyone has their own goals for stripping unnecessary.
  8. +5
    28 January 2022 06: 58
    The entire political army of the West has huddled into one big ball, only tails and poisonous teeth are visible, we don’t know which tail to pull so that the ball falls apart. Therefore, we argue that it is easier to kick it with your foot. The next couple of months will put everything and everyone in their place.
  9. Eug
    +7
    28 January 2022 08: 23
    I read the statements of the President of Croatia and understand how much the "repair" of the Croatian MiG-21s cost Ukraine ....
  10. -6
    28 January 2022 08: 33
    Quote: 210ox
    But I wonder what the character is doing now, shouting "Omeriga is with us!" at the Crimean airfield in 2014?

    And what are hundreds of thousands of those who hooted "Rasia with us!" doing now? near the mining waste heap in 2014?

    However, no one expected that the United States would take Ukraine into the structure, unlike those who expected and believed that Russia would take Ukraine into the LDNR.
    As a result, those who have remained unrecognized territories by anyone, and who are dying in poverty with crumbs of humanitarian aid, turned out to be deceived fools.
  11. +7
    28 January 2022 08: 35
    Some kind of populist garbage, not an article.
    Solid rural agitation.
  12. +2
    28 January 2022 08: 53
    Thus, the refusal of the United States and NATO to support the state of Ukraine means at least the end of the existence of the country in the form in which it exists today, and at the maximum, the beginning of the collapse and departure of some regions.
    ... "Wedding again" (c) .. Ukraine for the West, this is a company that buys military metal at a high price, who will refuse such a buyer? Business and nothing personal. And what regions are going to leave? The intrigue is simple, please announce the entire list. Yes, and about the collapse back in 2014, you wrote .. 8 years have passed .. Again the collapse?
  13. -1
    28 January 2022 09: 54
    "Why is Kiev seething"- are you sure that Kiev is seething? Or maybe your stomach is seething with chewing gum? Where did you get the information from? Or were you told so, what is "seething"?
    Or did they say that it will soon be seething? And you decide what's going on? And suddenly, does not seethe? You know, the strife is seething!...
    AND THANKS!!!!!!
    So long ago there were no mantras about federalization!!!!!.... It even became alarming. And here - you! with sa own "federalization", yey, yey, yeyyy (I don't know, in short, how it is written correctly).
  14. +3
    28 January 2022 09: 54
    Terrible end or horror without end?
  15. +3
    28 January 2022 11: 11
    It seems to me that the time has come to divide the country.

  16. 0
    28 January 2022 11: 20
    Good article. For the late magazine "Crocodile".
    The author fantasized "federalization", it is not clear from what finger.
    And yes, for his information: Croatia signed NATO's response to the Kremlin. So the words of Milanovic remain his personal opinion ....
  17. -2
    28 January 2022 12: 30
    The United States has achieved the main thing - another part of the Russian world has been destroyed ...
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  19. +1
    28 January 2022 13: 40
    even if federalization happens, the system will remain everywhere, the Maidan Natsiks themselves will not go anywhere, it will even be to their advantage
    They will need to be uprooted, and this will not be as easy as it seems to do.
    1. +1
      28 January 2022 16: 59
      Such radical methods will cause even more Russophobia. Rather, Western partners can still play against this background.
  20. +1
    28 January 2022 16: 09
    Well, let's just say that there was no split in NATO. It's just that the president of Croatia voiced what tolerant Europeans should not have said out loud, and representatives of NATO and the United States have long voiced this information to the Ukrainian leadership.
    But the "serious split in NATO" prompted the author to write an article that is not small by the standards of VO.
    Therefore, I am happy for the author, there are always topics, people hawala, comments fly, everyone is happy, egregor is strengthening)
  21. +1
    28 January 2022 16: 56
    It's a pity that there is no peaceful solution to this issue ...
  22. -3
    28 January 2022 18: 39
    I am watching the bombing of Sumerian farts.
    A beautiful article will allow you to identify Cossacks mishandled, mainly from country 404.
    It remains only to take a notebook and put it on a pencil laughing
  23. +1
    28 January 2022 18: 40
    I think that it's time to divide the country. Simply put, the time of federalization of Ukraine.
    This is what will be an alternative to the bloody war in the Donbass for citizens. True, there are no guarantees that this federalization will take place peacefully everywhere. Moreover, armed detachments for the forceful opposition to Kiev have already been created. Although they are disguised as territorial defense units against Russia.
    In this way, US and NATO refusal to support the state of Ukraine means at least the end of the existence of the country in the form in which it exists today, and as a maximum - the beginning of the collapse and departure of some regions.
    Who, when and how will divide Ukraine if it was not done in a much more favorable situation in 2014??? We see only NATO's refusal to fight for Ukraine, which was already predictable (including the comments on the VO). And the strengthening of assistance to her, the rallying of the West and the threats against Russia only intensified ... Where does the author get such an enviable bureaucratic optimism?
  24. -3
    28 January 2022 19: 21
    Long live Lviv Fascism! Hurray for Kiev II! All beetles! Ze do not pour, otherwise it will be described again.
  25. -2
    28 January 2022 19: 30
    There will be no federalization. Yes, and Zelensky ... No one will ask him what he wants there, or does not want, they will lower the team from above, and start the offensive like a pretty one.
  26. -1
    28 January 2022 20: 47
    "Strictly to the north, about 50 meters, is located ... marked on the plan with the letters "M" and "Zho". ©
  27. +2
    28 January 2022 22: 50
    Hard to believe.
    The Russian Federation has too weak geopolitical positions to get any territories for free. They were allowed to scatter them for free in different directions in the 90s. But the collection will cost back ...
    And federalization is objectively a step towards tearing off the eastern regions, first into free swimming (since both economically and intellectually we are fed up with pulling the whole of Ukraine), and then all this will join the more solid shores in the east.
    All of it is clear. And that's why no one will go for it. In the interests of Vova's dear "partners", to shove into the Russian Federation or "federalize" extremely depressive and destroyed territories.
    Giving them back in their current form is a gift and no one will go for it.
    Plus, on the other hand, the West has not changed and will not change its attitude towards the Russian Federation. And this is the role of a donor of resources (exchange for candy wrappers), as well as a source of skilled white labor.
    So the conclusions of the article somehow do not correlate much with the real state of affairs.
  28. 0
    29 January 2022 17: 53
    Beat your own so that strangers are afraid))
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  30. -1
    2 February 2022 16: 37
    "...in some statements, there is an opinion about the possible participation of the Czechs in the war."
    If Prague becomes dust, it will be too late to gasp ...