No to bitcoin - says and refuses the Central Bank

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Central Bank against mining and cryptocurrencies


The proposal of the Russian Central Bank to impose a ban on mining and trading in digital assets was reported by no means from the Central Bank of the Russian Federation, but from the Bloomberg agency. They have only recently begun to demonstrate disloyalty to the domestic financial authorities, which until now were considered something like an island of democracy.

We have known for a long time that this is the democracy of the dollar, evidence of which is at least the storage of our own reserves in dollar assets.



But why did you need to hit bitcoin right now - another surrogate for the dollar?

Is it really not enough that he was kicked out of China, preparing the soil he fertilized for the digital yuan?

The ruble with the yuan, not like with the dollar, will not be able to compete in this area with all the desire.

Or are we really being prepared for the disconnection from SWIFT and the Iron Curtain?

As you know, the general public in Russia has become involved in digital technologies, as they say, in fact. An almost universal card system, communication with single settlement centers with or without it, even an appointment with a library or a doctor in a remote province, and now also covid QR codes.

What else is needed?

However, the majority of the population is still as far away from stock exchange games and even more so from digital money as the Moon is not to astronauts. Astronauts, however, too.

Bitcoin, admittedly, is still exotic in Russia. Yes, and all cryptocurrencies, too, although almost 10 percent of their turnover falls on Russia.

Today, the Russian share of mining is approximately the same - the generation of cryptocurrencies in networks, and practically only due to the consumption of electricity. It seems that it was the rapidly growing consumption of electricity, in addition to fears of competition for the digital ruble, that forced the Central Bank to say that the crypt should be banned.

And it doesn’t matter anymore that bitcoin, as well as other cryptocurrencies, is one of the key tools for blockchain technologies, that is, an inclusive and transparent network, much cooler than the Internet. Without blockchain, the prospects for the development of 5G networks are doubtful, and there is little chance of remaining among the leaders in the nuclear field, space, and the most advanced military technologies.

No to bitcoin - says and refuses the Central Bank

In Russia, investments in bitcoin, although they are inferior in scale to bank deposits, are simply very large - the order of numbers is already comparable.

Either in the Ministry of Finance, or in the same Central Bank, they calculated that the Russians have already managed to invest about 7 trillion rubles in cryptocurrencies.

What to fight for?


At the same time, the average revenue is not as solid as it seems to many - about one and a half billion dollars a year. That is, a little more than a percentage per annum - what to fight for is not entirely clear, according to Russian departments. And the ban itself is unlikely to reduce revenue - everything will rest on technical difficulties and the selection of intermediaries.

Obviously, no one in the Central Bank thought that only the taboo on mining could really work, but then who will have to pay for the elimination of generation capacities, which are by no means small. It is only a home farm that can be quickly taken over the hill, but what will happen to entire industries is a question.

In principle, we can agree with those experts who see in the potential decision of the regulator the protection of bankers who are already involved in crypto projects. Maybe they are the ones who will pay. And, probably, just in our country, no one is going to repeat the Chinese experience, giving the opportunity to bitcoin players to “leave their own”. As in preference.


After Bloomberg revealed a terrible secret, a very interesting explanation came from the Bank of Russia: we, you see, are planning a “decrease in threats” due to the fact that the ruble is not a reserve currency. It is not entirely clear then how this is consistent with the readiness of the Central Bank to track the operations of Russians on foreign crypto exchanges.

Not only is it “not your business,” there is no reason to say that the scale and further spread of cryptocurrencies in Russia carries significant risks for the economy and financial stability of the country.

What, bitcoin is pushing the ruble?

If it is crowding, then on the Internet, where the ruble is not visible.

Here comes digital, maybe someone will notice, although there are doubts about this. The ban in Russia, unlike the Chinese “bloc”, is a sign of weakness, not strength.

The digital yuan will easily displace the same bitcoin from where they are used to trading in yuan, dollars and euros. Simply because it is more convenient, and there are no problems with conversion.

And bitcoin, as you know, has just a sea of ​​​​them, and is it worth it to remind you of the complete unpredictability of its course.

Control shot


It is clear that what confuses various kinds of regulators in cryptocurrencies is their freedom.

We wrote that bitcoin is a surrogate for the dollar, but a surrogate that is almost beyond the control of that Federal Reserve System, although, unlike the dollar, even the scale of emission is specially specified for it.

Not so long ago, it was only about 21 million, now it is believed that much more will have to be mined, that is, generated, although there is a terrible inconsistency in numbers. And all because there is no one person who could answer for bitcoin at all.

In addition to the fact that bitcoin is a surrogate and exclusively digital currency, it also looks too much like a pyramid scheme. And this is with clearly defined emission sizes. But if the issue is fixed, then only the exchange can dictate the rate to bitcoin. She dictates - a growth of thousands of times from the moment of birth.


Almost everything that is done with the crypt is done on the semi-legal market, and bitcoin and its analogues easily “enter” both the drug trade and the financing of terrorism. And this actually justifies the creation of official digital money.

The yuan will definitely pull in numbers, but will the ruble pull?

Obviously, precisely because the market understands this very well, the reaction of stockbrokers to "rumors from Russia" turned out to be so restrained.

But when China came out against bitcoin, everything was different - very seriously. And the rate fell, and sales went rampant. But bitcoin held out, and the Chinese miners fled.

Summing up, we cannot fail to note the environmental passage from the Central Bank, where they confidently stated that mining “creates unproductive consumption of electricity, jeopardizing the energy supply of residential buildings, social infrastructure buildings and enterprises, as well as the implementation of the environmental agenda of the Russian Federation.”
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  1. +12
    27 January 2022 15: 07
    Well, cryptocurrencies are never currencies.
    currencies are guaranteed by the states.
    bitcoin is not guaranteed by anyone, it is not known who created and therefore controls, and apparently this is a CIA project for the unsupervised movement of finances.
    bitcoin is just a cipher formula, an abstraction.
    even the dollar, although a fiction, is backed by US aircraft carriers, and bitcoin is someone's successful scam.
    the right desire of the state to limit non-controlled crypts.
    and blockchain technology, yes, should be used where it is convenient, but this is a rather narrow segment.
    1. +2
      27 January 2022 15: 30
      No to bitcoin - says and refuses the Central Bank

      Indeed, it is not the falling ruble that really needs to be dealt with by the Central Bank of the Russian Federation, but cryptocurrency.
      1. +4
        27 January 2022 15: 34
        The falling ruble is generally beneficial to the authorities, since oil is sold for dollars, and public sector salaries are paid in rubles.
        1. -4
          27 January 2022 15: 45
          Quote: Sauron80
          The falling ruble is generally beneficial to the authorities, since oil is sold for dollars, and public sector salaries are paid in rubles.

          You are a little wrong ... there are already all Buddhists, they can’t do it, neither good nor bad, profitable / not profitable from whether they pay something to state employees or not.
        2. +6
          27 January 2022 16: 03
          Quote: Sauron80
          The falling ruble is generally beneficial to the authorities, since oil is sold for dollars, and public sector salaries are paid in rubles.




          The whole world is still laughing at this.
          1. -2
            27 January 2022 17: 45
            Quote: avib
            The whole world is still laughing at this.

            Frames in the studio.
            All export-surplus countries benefit from this.
            Japan was once, for trying to lower the national currency, was severely bullied until its dawn ended ...
            1. +2
              27 January 2022 18: 29
              In order to pay state employees in rubles, rubles can be taken with taxes / printed. To buy something abroad - you need dollars. And if earlier it was necessary to buy 100 dollars for 3 rubles, now you need 000 thousand rubles for the same 100 dollars. Feel the difference? This is such a simple economy.
              1. -3
                27 January 2022 18: 40
                Quote: avib
                To buy something abroad - you need dollars. And if earlier it was necessary to buy 100 dollars for 3 rubles, now you need 000 thousand rubles for the same 100 dollars. Feel the difference?

                But if you have general surplus of exports over imports by 100 ye, then you will receive 8 thousand rubles more than you spend.
                This is the situation in Russia.
                1. +4
                  27 January 2022 19: 35
                  Quote: Genry
                  Quote: avib
                  To buy something abroad - you need dollars. And if earlier it was necessary to buy 100 dollars for 3 rubles, now you need 000 thousand rubles for the same 100 dollars. Feel the difference?

                  But if you have general surplus of exports over imports by 100 ye, then you will receive 8 thousand rubles more than you spend.
                  This is the situation in Russia.


                  This is so because at this stage, mainly energy carriers are sold abroad and there are so-called. counter-sanctions, due to which Russia does not buy a lot of things abroad, including, after all, those that are not actually produced in Russia. Those. Russians are limited in comparison with citizens of other countries in their choice. This is the situation in Russia, but it is an unhealthy situation.
                  Because if a Russian, for example, wants to go abroad, he needs to spend 1000 dollars there, not 30000 rubles as before, but 80000 - while his salary remained more or less the same as when the dollar was 30 rubles each,
                  1. -6
                    27 January 2022 19: 41
                    Quote: avib
                    This is so because at this stage, mainly energy carriers are sold abroad and there are so-called. counter-sanctions, due to which Russia does not buy many things abroad,

                    Russia has always sold more than it bought.
                    At first, all the debts of the USSR, the tsarist empire and IMF loans were paid, then the funds were filled ...
                    Now there is a disposal of the dollar and the withdrawal of private investment. Therefore, the sale of a more expensive dollar from the Central Bank goes to the profit of Russia and indirectly there is a haircut for investors who, even at the old rates, injected their money ....
                    And do not forget about the protection of the internal producer.
                    1. +2
                      28 January 2022 08: 07
                      Is it then possible to see all these centuries-old accumulations due to the difference?
          2. -1
            28 January 2022 19: 18
            This is just a provocative clipping, you need to watch the full interview, he explains that it is not profitable to conclude contracts in rubles
      2. +3
        27 January 2022 15: 54
        And some Bloomberg reports about the decision of the Central Bank of the Russian Federation!?
        1. Alf
          +3
          27 January 2022 19: 45
          Quote: alystan
          And some Bloomberg reports about the decision of the Central Bank of the Russian Federation!?

          Exactly ! Who decides, he reports.
    2. -3
      27 January 2022 16: 05
      Well, cryptocurrencies are never currencies.

      And Navalny (senior) used it very well as a source of his financial support.
      bitcoin is not guaranteed by anyone, it is not known who created and therefore controls, and apparently this is a CIA project on the unsupervised movement of finances.

      You yourself answered your own question.
      bitcoin is just a cipher formula, an abstraction.

      I repeat once again, such sickly abstractions with many zeros (after cashing out) sailed to Lesha Navalny.
      and bitcoin is someone's successful scam. the right desire of the state to limit non-controlled crypts.

      A little higher you called all this a cipher formula (?) and an abstraction. And now you are "calling" the right desire of the state to restrict crypts that are not controlled (by all or only by certain states), in other words, is it an abstraction?
      blockchain technology, yes, it should be used where it is convenient

      Here your thoughts coincide (partially) with one representative of the Central Bank of the Russian Federation. But with only one!
      Director of the Department of the Ministry of Finance Chebeskov advocated the regulation of cryptocurrencies
      1. -1
        27 January 2022 21: 06
        Well, yes. what's wrong? with the help of abstract formulas, uncontrolled financial flows are chasing. including bulk and crime. but what is most interesting is that they require the Russian Federation to recognize the crypt, i.e. when citizens invest real currency in it, and the crypt is hacked or simply collapses, citizens will present it to the state for compensation, but does it need it? Plus, create your own crypt and try to enter the United States with it ... how many days will you be at large and not a pedophile, etc.? - not very long
    3. +2
      28 January 2022 11: 05
      Currencies guaranteed by the state is only one of the varieties of currencies.
      There are generally private currencies, for example. And then there are things like bitcoins.
      But yes, of course, government currencies are the most widespread type of currency.
  2. 0
    27 January 2022 15: 07
    Interestingly, the ban on bitcoin will somehow affect mining farms in Chechnya and Dagestan? laughing
    1. +1
      27 January 2022 16: 19
      No one in Russia will ban bitcoin, Gazprom already has large crypto farms running on associated gas, and RusHydro has crypto farms at some hydroelectric power plants - today they clarified the Central Bank will create a control system for all owners of Internet wallets working with bitcoins and their transactions, etc.
      1. +1
        27 January 2022 16: 22
        Quote: Vadim237
        RusHydro has crypto farms at some HPPs - today the Central Bank clarified it will create a control system for all owners of Internet wallets working with bitcoins

        In short, instead of reducing the cost of electricity to the population, they, in the best traditions of capitalism, will transfer the real value into the virtual one.
        P.S. Vadik, are you giving me minuses by inertia? wink
    2. 0
      27 January 2022 21: 36
      Interestingly, the ban on bitcoin will somehow affect mining farms in Chechnya and Dagestan? laughing
      Mining farms are mainly located in the Irkutsk region.
      1. 0
        27 January 2022 21: 59
        Quote: Sergey BM
        Mining farms are mainly located in the Irkutsk region.

        I don’t know how it is, but in the Caucasus this topic is now flourishing, and electricity is being sold for free.
        1. 0
          27 January 2022 22: 09
          Well, you know, mining in Irkutsk has long been a common place - https://ria.ru/20211122/irkutsk-1759832192.html
          And why are they natyryat there in the Caucasus so crumbs.
          1. 0
            27 January 2022 22: 14
            Quote: Sergey BM
            And why are they natyryat there in the Caucasus so crumbs.

            I didn’t know about Irkutsk, but not crumbs in Dagestan. Fill in the query "Crypto farms in Dagestan" hi
            1. -2
              27 January 2022 22: 19
              I'm not even going
              You won’t dig a lot, they’ll pull out
              It’s easier to pay according to the tariff, and it is the smallest in Irkutsk
          2. Aag
            +3
            28 January 2022 06: 54
            Quote: Sergey BM
            Well, you know, mining in Irkutsk has long been a common place - https://ria.ru/20211122/irkutsk-1759832192.html
            And why are they natyryat there in the Caucasus so crumbs.

            Sorry, I repeat ... Not so long ago, I already left comments on this topic on the next branch .. Briefly ...
            Not so long ago, a film-investigation about mining in Irk was broadcast on the TV channel "Russia 24". region Numbers sounded: every second cue ball in the Russian Federation, and every tenth in the world (!), from here (from the Irkutsk region).
            Questionable figures. Yesterday, the same channel issued data that the Russian Federation "produces" no more than 10% of bitcoins ... feel Looks like you need to be more careful with numbers.
            On local, Irkutsk, TV, the governor said that they would apply to the Duma in order to "legislate the issue" of mining.
            The public is guessing: -tariffs for electricity will be raised; -taxed cover; - or (ha-ha), they knock out money for the modernization of electrical networks ...
            1. -2
              28 January 2022 09: 29
              Exactly...
              There are a lot of talkers-storytellers, not only in relation to mining
              They themselves don’t have a single ASIC, but it’s so irritating to blurt out some trash about the Caucasus, Dagestan, etc.
              On any topic
              But about mining, it’s already specifically a finger in the sky, in the wrong steppe, etc.
  3. 0
    27 January 2022 15: 11
    But when China came out against bitcoin, everything was different - very seriously. And the rate fell, and sales went rampant. But bitcoin held out, and the Chinese miners fled.

    Yes, and in Russia, robustly fell down like that.

    https://www.finam.ru/
  4. -3
    27 January 2022 15: 13
    First you need to decide what backtoin is backed by, who and how fixes its rate in relation to other currencies. Otherwise, it seems that under the promises of manna from heaven, a Trojan horse was sold to all mankind, and we are glad to be scammed...
    1. bar
      -1
      27 January 2022 15: 27
      Quote: Thrifty
      First you need to decide what backtoin is provided with

      And how is the evergreen dollar secured, besides the Fed guarantees not to stop the printing press?
      1. -1
        27 January 2022 18: 29
        Bucks provided with everything законно you can buy it.

        Crypt has no legal circulation and issue. Its value is determined by the volume of short-term transactions on the stock exchange or exchangers. At the same time, if there is an excess of sales volumes than what is put on the market, the rate falls and vice versa - the rate rises. The “pumping-dumping” mechanism works on this principle, when, having concentrated resources, you sharply shift the exchange price, and then calmly sell and buy the bulk of the crypt, according to the price you set.
        Those. everything is decided by the desire of people to buy and sell. Once you stop promoting these crypts (how many of them have already died), and their value will disappear.
        1. +1
          27 January 2022 21: 39
          their value will disappear
          But not today
          And not tomorrow
          In general, this "maxim" is completely meaningless
          The action in the same way can roll into the trash
          Investors do what they buy and get rid of positions
          No matter what happens sometime, profit is fixed here and now
          1. -3
            27 January 2022 22: 17
            Quote: Sergey BM
            But not today
            And not tomorrow

            It will disappear at any moment and possibly even in this interval.
            Quote: Sergey BM
            In general, this "maxim" is completely meaningless

            Can you provide a link to the original?
            Quote: Sergey BM
            The action in the same way can roll into the trash

            The owner of the joint-stock company is indicated in the charter and can always be taken for Faberge. There is not even a charter for crypto.
            Quote: Sergey BM
            Investors do what they buy and get rid of positions

            In crypto, investors are called "hamsters" and they are generally sheared there.
            Quote: Sergey BM
            No matter what happens sometime, profit is fixed here and now

            Reminds:
            “And today, tomorrow, not everyone can watch. Rather, not only everyone can watch, few can do it ”
            1. +5
              27 January 2022 22: 25
              The owner of the JSC is indicated in the charter
              Again, an absolutely meaningless, meaningless statement
              The owner (what, who is it, when the owners of shares can be a thousand or a million) has a share in a company with limited responsibility.
              He is not responsible for anything for AO, in principle.
              His risk limited invested amount and nothing more.
              You don't even know the basics of economics.

              You don't even need to answer the rest.
              1. -6
                27 January 2022 22: 28
                Quote: Sergey BM
                He is not responsible for anything for AO, in principle.

                You do not think that all issues are resolved through the courts. There have always been informal associations that "fought injustice" for a share.
                1. +5
                  28 January 2022 05: 07
                  Fuck
                  No, these "issues" are _not_ resolved through the courts
                  They don't resolve
                  Flew with shares - so flew
                  And no one's to blame but yourself
                  1. -2
                    28 January 2022 11: 10
                    Not certainly in that way. Mass of litigation on illegal transactions with shares. Mostly in the States.
                    But yes, there are certainly big risks in stocks.
  5. +1
    27 January 2022 15: 15
    This "case", surrogate money, is strange.
    Someone thinks that this is freedom, for the majority, these are the games of rich Pinocchio and immersed in the digital environment.
    Who knows what it will turn into in the end.
    One thing is clear, what does not happen just like that, if no one needs it.
    1. +5
      27 January 2022 16: 15
      Well, in the history of mankind there have been different forms of exchange and the use of a lot of things as conditional money. Ordinary table salt, for example. Not to mention gold and silver with copper, and other valuables.
      Pinocchio also has the fun of "measuring" their wealth, not necessarily physical money, but various collections of paintings, rare editions of something, and the same cars, yachts and dozens of palaces. So to speak, this is a way of storing money.
      1. +3
        27 January 2022 18: 14
        They try to store in those ... objects / quantities, the price of which does not fall or grows.
        Store in surrogates whose volatility is awesome, up to depreciation, then on very "inspired" or believers.
        Everything early is strange... but it's everyone's personal choice.
  6. +1
    27 January 2022 15: 28
    and they didn’t explain in the article for those who are dumb like me .... that a video card creates such a special thing with the help of electric energy, which has value))
    1. +3
      27 January 2022 15: 40
      Quote: Igoresha
      and they didn’t explain in the article for those who are dumb like me .... that a video card creates such a special thing with the help of electric energy, which has value))

      Well, yes. Technical progress. There used to be "MMM tickets", now video cards laughing
      And the value created exists only in the minds of people who are ready to invest real money in it.
    2. +2
      27 January 2022 16: 23
      It was possible to mine Bitcoin with a video card in 2010. And now, for mining, special ASIS boards are needed from which entire farms are built. All this consumes Dofiga of electricity and generates a lot of heat, so it is profitable to build such farms in northern latitudes so as not to spend electricity on cooling
      1. +5
        27 January 2022 21: 33
        Ethereum, crow, etc. are mined on video cards.
        On bitcoin, the light has not converged like a wedge.
  7. +4
    27 January 2022 15: 29
    But if the issue is fixed, then only the exchange can dictate the rate to bitcoin. She dictates - a growth of thousands of times from the moment of birth.

    Mistake! An increase of 36 million times. In 2009, one thousand bitcoins were worth $1.
    https://bytwork.com/articles/btc-chart-history
  8. -7
    27 January 2022 15: 29
    The ban on the cue ball will lead to another wave of emigration. And these are IT specialists, system administrators and engineers who use farm mining for additional earnings.
    1. +3
      27 January 2022 21: 47
      And these are IT specialists, system administrators and engineers
      I laughed so hard!
      To mine a crypt, no special knowledge and skills are required.
      This is done by (mining) operators, pombures, bulldozer operators, various engineers and a bunch of other similar people who have a little money ...
      It's in my social circle.
      I bought vidya for 350 thousand rubles.
      I didn’t know Niiikhren, I watched a couple of videos on YouTube and now - the proud owner of the crypto farm!

      PS: maybe I’ll still type, I haven’t decided yet ...
      1. -6
        28 January 2022 12: 06
        350 thousand wasted
        1. +1
          28 January 2022 15: 56
          It’s too early to judge about that yet, they have been mining for me for three months
          I'll take a look in a year.
          With such a payback period, there are essentially no other options.
          Roughly speaking, you can buy an apartment for three lyamas and rent for twenty
          Or gain three hundred thousand vidya and have the same twenty a month
    2. -5
      28 January 2022 12: 05
      sysadmins and engineers don't do that crap
      1. +3
        28 January 2022 15: 57
        Everyone is doing this crap, since there are no difficulties in mining
  9. +6
    27 January 2022 15: 31
    Blockchains like ether or cue ball outperform negligent governments on points: transparency of emission, transparency of transactions, guarantee of honesty of operations in the network.
    The ruble does not have any of these points (the dollar does too)
    1. The emission of the ruble is carried out, in fact, by a narrow circle of limited people. No one knows what will come into their heads tomorrow.
    2. Transactions in rubles are completely anonymous to you and completely transparent to bankers.
    3. About the honesty of these not very people, I generally keep quiet. The banking system is rotting. A lot of fake transactions, a lot of money being stolen. People are in conflict, suing - all to one place.

    Blockchain does not have these problems. Hence the rise in popularity. A sort of network system of financial socialism. Subconsciously people are reaching out.
  10. -1
    27 January 2022 15: 41
    What nonsense have I read?

    The cryptocurrency economy is a pyramid scheme. 99% of the turnover is speculative and not used for trading.
  11. 0
    27 January 2022 16: 01
    Quote: bar
    And how is the evergreen dollar secured, besides the Fed guarantees not to stop the printing press?

    At least the US Army and Navy.
    And the cue ball has only a bunch of hipsters, schoolchildren and the black market (laundering, tax evasion, pedophilia and drug trafficking, it’s not for nothing that the rise of cryptodiocy fell on the heyday of the SilkRoad online store (it was like an online black market)).
  12. +2
    27 January 2022 16: 03
    Quote: Trickster
    earnings

    Not earnings but speculative income.
    Earnings is when he worked and earned, then the work is not done.
    1. +1
      27 January 2022 16: 26
      Here, the work of Aisika is performed by the Internet and power-generating capacities by these crypto-farms and they heat their houses on the plots with the help of a liquid cooling system.
      1. 0
        27 January 2022 21: 48
        On the liquid system go bust
        And she don't need
        1. -2
          27 January 2022 22: 34
          As you can see, they didn't break.
          1. +1
            28 January 2022 05: 09
            Because they didn't put
            Air grabs for the eyes
            1. Aag
              -1
              28 January 2022 07: 18
              Quote: Sergey BM
              Because they didn't put
              Air grabs for the eyes

              It depends on the tasks to be solved. For example, I know a / service for eight posts with warm floors. So to say, they combine business with pleasure. Naturally, they have developed (the owner is thorough).
              And I know buildings (former administrative industrial zones) leased for offices, in the basements of which farms are threshed (with air cooling). It’s normal in winter. In summer, tenants also pay extra for electricity (air conditioners) ...
  13. +4
    27 January 2022 16: 03
    Quote: Sancho_SP
    What nonsense have I read?

    The cryptocurrency economy is a pyramid scheme. 99% of the turnover is speculative and not used for trading.

    And this does not affect their transparency in any way. And speculation is also a significant part of the turnover in ordinary currencies.
    Shl.
    The only point is that bitcoin is absolutely unsuitable for replacing fiat in everyday life. Just because of their software limitations
  14. -1
    27 January 2022 16: 04
    Quote: Igoresha
    and they didn’t explain in the article for those who are dumb like me .... that a video card creates such a special thing with the help of electric energy, which has value))


    It creates nothing, there is no way to apply it, but they will prove to you with foam at the mouth that it is stylish, fashionable and youthful.
    1. +5
      27 January 2022 21: 49
      It creates nothing, it changes nothing on binance, nicehash to Russian rubles and voila - brings a piece of bread with caviar! laughing
      1. -2
        28 January 2022 11: 45
        It's like a bucket of compression, only a bucket of speculation.
        Pure, nothing more. Yes
      2. +2
        28 January 2022 15: 04
        For example, I have a wallet on matbea, and I change it on Sberbank for rubles.
  15. +2
    27 January 2022 16: 17
    IMHO, Banks, security forces, Caucasians somehow get out.
    It is unlikely that Kadyrov will hand over his farms.

    Looks just like another attempt to mow the population. Pensioners got their hair cut, drivers got their hair cut, shops got their hair cut, the self-employed too, it's time for computer scientists.
  16. +3
    27 January 2022 16: 26
    The good thing about bitcoin is that the states have no guts to ban it. And you won’t take the tax and you won’t be able to regulate it. wassat
    1. -3
      28 January 2022 11: 50
      Bitcoin is private, the essence of the phenomenon is "crypto-currency".
      As it was rightly said, there is no control (to whom and for what they paid FIG, you will find out), you can escape from taxes, a private trader releases.

      There is an opinion (and here I agree with him) that this thing is very likely a tool for pulling power from states (with the complete or partial destruction of them as a phenomenon) to corporations (one thing they have a lot of money to produce / buy it).
      At first, there will be many different "crypts", then 2.5 pieces will survive, and then it suddenly turns out that several corporations have mastered everything.
      Well, then a dystopia like in movies, only worse (after all, there is no censorship and timing).
  17. 0
    27 January 2022 16: 31
    bitcoin is not just a consumption of electricity, it is the work of video cards that are in computers on mining farms, which means information processing, maybe those AI elements that we encounter on the Internet are the work of these "farms", plus advertising and so on ....
    1. 0
      28 January 2022 12: 02
      Definitely not these.
      Oh, if it were just "vidyukhochas" (providing computing power for rent) by analogy with man-hours.
      But, they count something like hash sums that have no use (outside of this bubble for sure).

      But it's true they we could perform machine learning algorithms (it doesn’t matter whether to teach networks something new or specifically use ready-made trained ones), perform scientific calculations (dynamics of fluid media, strength of materials, modeling of other processes), and a lot of things could be done.

      By the way, "NetVideo" promoted its CUDA (and put scientists on the needle (you use CUDA - you buy their video card and not a competitor)) long before crypto-madness. This is if you would like to say that "crypto helps AI."

      And the new boom of neural networks from bitcoin was more likely to suffer.
      For amateurs and not well-sponsored scientists (that is, the majority) - video cards have become less accessible.
      1. 0
        28 January 2022 13: 28
        Could you elaborate on your own opinion? What is mining really?
  18. -1
    27 January 2022 16: 34
    If you look at bitcoin as another currency, then it is just another issued money. When money is issued, inflation begins ... What difference does it make how it is supported? I think the stupidity and greed of money collectors winked
  19. +3
    27 January 2022 17: 21
    “Bitcoin, it must be admitted, is still exotic in Russia. Yes, and all cryptocurrencies, too, although almost 10 percent of their turnover is in Russia.”
    Authors! Don't you think that in this phrase of your article there is some kind of contradiction hi
  20. -3
    27 January 2022 17: 24
    Quote: Igoresha
    and they didn’t explain in the article for those who are dumb like me .... that a video card creates such a special thing with the help of electric energy, which has value))


    I've been trying to figure this out for a long time too. Skok read - nothing is clear. And even quite the opposite. The more information, the more vague.
    I realized one thing: the video card needs more electricity. And if there is no electricity, then bitcoins will disappear by themselves.
    "There were bitcoins, we do not deny, but they self-destructed" (film "Ivan Vasilyevich Changes Profession"). smile
  21. -4
    27 January 2022 18: 55
    Who can tell me why video cards have risen in price so much? Because of the miners or the economic war of the West against China? I'm just in shock, gtx 1650, which I took for $165, now costs $496. She's still not quite right with me. Something will happen and I will not dare to buy anything similar. What a year this has been going on
    1. 0
      27 January 2022 21: 42
      It's better to ask such questions on some habré
      In short, it’s not because of the miners and not because of the economic war of the malicious West
      This is a consequence of the general shortage of semiconductors caused by a combination of several factors. This is said literally from every teapot.
      Apple will cut production of the iPhone. Who else will suffer because of the global shortage of microchips?

      https://www.bbc.com/russian/features-58902228
      Tesla posts record sales despite chip shortage

      https://secretmag.ru/news/tesla-obyavila-o-rekordnykh-prodazhakh-nesmotrya-na-deficit-chipov-03-10-2021.htm
      1. 0
        27 January 2022 21: 54
        The price of video cards is determined solely by payback in mining
        From here LHR
    2. +2
      27 January 2022 21: 51
      So buy 3090 and mine it yourself laughing
  22. 0
    28 January 2022 03: 31
    Oh, as it turned out in Germany, banks do not want to deal with cryptocurrencies wassat
  23. -6
    28 January 2022 08: 06
    I'm wondering how you can talk about the freedom of something, when the servers on which this business is spinning belong to someone?

    Crypto is needed for one purpose - the redistribution of real money. And it doesn’t even matter what kind, it’s clear that they won’t accept dozens of types of crypto-garbage in stores, but as long as they can be generated by just taking away electricity from the population and reselling with one click, they are an ideal way to finance anything, bypassing banks and transporting money suitcases, and financial pyramids, in which for 1 enriched there will be dozens of those who got loans for this business, but remained with nothing, because in order for someone to get a million, this million must be withdrawn from someone else, and will be in as a result, that someone with a million, and 10-20 people lost 50-100 thousand rubles.

    At present, crypto is more dangerous for humanity than cancer, AIDS and covidla combined, and mining with speculation should be punished with the highest measure.
    1. +4
      28 January 2022 09: 36
      when the servers on which this business is spinning belong to someone?
      It's five!!!
      No - they just don’t belong to anyone, because. they don't exist.
      There is NO central bitcoin server at all, basically.
      And there never was.

      PS: the comparison of cancer and covid made me laugh - dear, they have a difference of three orders of magnitude.
      And here such storytellers are everywhere.
      You come in purely surprised by the infinity of human ignorance ...
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        0
        28 January 2022 11: 58
        Node - just like a server
        1. +3
          28 January 2022 16: 01
          Agree
          But in the original message it was about freedom and belongs to someone, like a shadow Jewish conspiracy laughing
          It belongs to us, to me, to him, to that dude from the second floor...
          There are no conspiracies.
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            +2
            28 January 2022 19: 44
            Well, we have how - propaganda solves everything!
            So the authors write custom articles, who are neither sleep nor spirit.
            And here the people are conservative, what they saw on TV is true, but to understand the essence - why strain the convolutions?
      2. 0
        3 February 2022 08: 38
        Baby, remember once and for all, servers do not have an owner only in stupid offices, where they can’t always find ends meet, and in your pantry, where incomprehensible trash has been lying for years, and on the Internet everything has an owner. And any node on which something is being processed is purchased, delivered and maintained by someone. In the same way, someone with specific names and surnames is paid for the functioning of the machines that serve the bitcoin plague.
    2. ban
      +3
      28 January 2022 10: 08
      the servers on which this business is spinning belong to someone

      The miners belong. The whole charm is decentralization and lack of control over the Fed, the IMF and other Central Banks.
      And what you wrote below is from absolute ignorance of the issue
  24. ban
    +4
    28 January 2022 10: 01
    That's why I love VO - no editorial policy!
    Any illiterate shoemaker can sculpt pies ...
    That's what the authors wanted to say? And they themselves do not understand anything, but decided to speak loudly.
    The paradox, however.

    beat on bitcoin - another surrogate for the dollar?

    And why the dollar, and not the ruble or the pound, for example?

    Bitcoin, admittedly, is still exotic in Russia. Yes, and all cryptocurrencies, too, although almost 10 percent of their turnover falls on Russia

    Beauties!!! 10% turnover - exotic??? And by the way, where do these numbers come from, from the ceiling?

    The Russian share of mining is about the same today

    If anything, 3rd place after the USA and Kazakhstan

    At the same time, the average revenue is not as solid as it seems to many - about one and a half billion dollars a year

    Excuse me, what's the revenue from? From selling pies?

    In the Central Bank, apparently, no one thought that only the taboo on mining could really work.

    Just can not - how? Large lit data centers, of course, can be slammed, but how to prohibit ordinary citizens from mining, for example, in a garage?

    In principle, we can agree with those experts who see in the potential decision of the regulator the protection of bankers who are already involved in crypto projects

    It's embarrassing to ask, how?
    Here Gref, for example, is building data centers in Siberia, a lot of money has been invested, and here such "protection".
    Some cognitive dissonance among the authors

    Not so long ago, it was only about 21 million, now it is believed that it will be necessary to extract, that is, to generate much more

    You know, it's technically impossible!
    Where such nonsense, from Yandex-Zen?

    In addition to the fact that bitcoin is a surrogate and exclusively digital currency, it also looks too much like a pyramid scheme. And this is with clearly defined emission sizes.

    Or take off the cross, or put on your underpants, well, something like that

    Almost everything that is done with crypto is done on the semi-legal market

    Agas, on officially registered crypto-exchanges. But, of course, you can also pass them, and you can also change dollars not in the exchanger, but in a black way.
    Let's ban dollars and rubles wassat
    1. 0
      3 February 2022 08: 44
      but how to prohibit mining for an ordinary citizen, for example, in a garage


      Elementary, firstly, only the bottoms are mined with video cameras, asics for cue ball are a completely different story, and you can’t just stick such a thing with more power consumption than a room heater just into the garage, it must be a specially equipped room with powerful power and cooling lines, which also increases energy consumption. As for video cards, the digital economy with buying everything through credit cards allows you to quickly find those who for some reason bought a lot of the same product, or sell it in bulk (and the sale of video cards after mining is an important part of the release of investments in the eyes of "farmers" ).
      1. ban
        0
        3 February 2022 09: 33
        they mine the air with video cards only the bottoms

        Excuse me, is this not from Zen?

        you can't just plug a thing that has more power consumption than a room heater just into the garage, it has to be a specially equipped room with powerful power and cooling lines

        Well, it all depends on the scale, and so one ASIC, even in the office, even in the apartment, please, nothing interferes, except for hellish noise.
        And why is it easier to mine ether on vidyukhas - they are quiet, cooling is much easier to organize, so to each his own

        digital economy with buying everything through credit cards

        Here I have no cards and accounts, although I am not a poor person)))

        sales of video cards after mining

        This is usually when you go out of business, but why?
  25. -1
    28 January 2022 12: 06
    Quote: aybolyt678
    If you look at bitcoin as another currency, then it is just another issued money.


    Yes, but very inefficiently issued.
    A lot of electricity goes to waste (by the way, you can’t hear the screams of the greens about the terrible hydrocarbon trail, are the owners alone?).
    A bunch of video cards are chasing an empty one (and when they become obsolete and become unusable, they should also be disposed of.
    1. 0
      28 January 2022 12: 31
      empty in what sense? crypt - it costs money .. and the same cue ball is quite large .. for which you can buy something ... what is the difference from a piece of paper - on which $ 100 is written? does it cost $100 to manufacture? but here, for some reason, it doesn’t bother anyone that a piece of paper cannot cost as much as 4,5 grams of gold, but it costs ... it’s just another form of money - digital .. and, in fact, by bank transfer - you also pay with digital money - but you doesn't that bother you? the difference is who issues them, the essence is the same .. money in the world has not been backed by gold for a long time, but is backed by demand for them ..
      1. -2
        28 January 2022 13: 02
        Not worth it in the normal sense (as they tried to invest in the USSR), but "worth it" in the sense that it can be sold.
        The resource-intensive and pointless process of "crypto mining" is an imitation of violent activity and, in fact, a way to sell it to fools.
        First, the "magic ritual".
        Second, there is a process.
        Thirdly, "I'm not selling it to you, it's you yourself" (it's easier to lure).
        Fourthly, "look it is not infinite" (so what?).
        You mine the first few thousand (when it's just created - it's fast and not expensive), throw it in, take off - you're on a horse, no - I don't care.

        The only difference on which he rode is like “it can’t be more than N” (I won’t be surprised if it can, it’s like, give formulas more impressive and “oh that’s all”), well, and also “anonymity” (it only makes sense for troubled cases) .
        The first is decided at the level of laws (the will of the state is needed, or pressure from citizens), the second is by issuing a card for the homeless (you need the homeless). But then you can't build a pyramid.
        1. -2
          28 January 2022 13: 34
          1. The pyramid has a basic principle - the creator can fill it up simply by stopping the flow of money through himself .. how do you do it in a crypt? it does not have a center and a person who can make such a decision .. just not ... physically ... as well as binding to a particular server, country, etc.
          2.
          Quote: Hitriy Zhuk
          Not worth it in the normal sense (as they tried to invest in the USSR), but "worth it" in the sense that it can be sold.

          I wrote about it .. modern money is not worth the face value in the sense ...
          That is, it is not a pyramid (there are no signs of a pyramid). in principle, it differs from the classical currency issued by someone, perhaps even for the better - it cannot be printed as much as you like ... (like the same buck) ..
          3. if you change the formula .. why? it’s stupid if only because the previously mined ones will “crumble” .. and everything will simply collapse as trust will disappear, and you won’t earn money from this, you’ll only lose ... + who will do it and how? this is in fact a completely different crypt and not the one that was before the formula was changed .. just different .. you can’t change the formula just so that everything remains as it was ..
          4.
          Quote: Hitriy Zhuk
          The first is decided at the level of laws (the will of the state is needed, or pressure from citizens), the second is by issuing a card for the homeless (you need the homeless).

          this is a theory that, in theory, something similar can be done with a classic currency .. but in practice, cryptocurrencies have already solved these issues easily, reliably and without straining, but ordinary ones have not been able to.. roughly speaking, bitcoin is an analogue of the dollar new t .e. settlements around the world... digital.. independent of the Fed.. although there is a theory that they created it, but this does not change its essence much, since other cryptocurrencies have already launched...
      2. 0
        3 February 2022 08: 45
        A "piece of paper" can only be emitted by someone who has the right, and a cue ball by any ghoul.
        1. 0
          3 February 2022 08: 56
          Yes. and there is. and this is its value, as an independent "currency" and is for its consumers, yes, among which there is a lot of crime. therefore, "cue ball and tp" will not go anywhere, since crime has always been and will be part of humanity .. by crime I mean from the side of the state everything that violates its laws .. because. Tax evasion is also a crime.
    2. ban
      -2
      28 January 2022 19: 56
      Bitcoin has not been mined on video cards for a long time.
      Do not write nonsense.
      If interested - read
      https://2bitcoins.ru/kriptovaljutnaja-biblija/
  26. +1
    28 January 2022 17: 14
    Cryptocurrencies are the same assets as securities, but with one very significant difference - NOBODY can take these assets from you (hackers and scammers do not count).
    That is why more and more people choose crypto assets, as the freedom to dispose of them is beyond any restrictions and speculations of the regulator.
  27. AML
    0
    29 January 2022 11: 51
    Quote: Maluck
    Cryptocurrencies are the same assets as securities, but with one very significant difference - NOBODY can take these assets from you (hackers and scammers do not count).

    The crypt can be squeezed out easily, and even more so at the state level. There are farms that are able to confirm the transaction within themselves. And this is the most hardcore option. There are faster options.

    And the number of 21 million is just a showcase. You can always fork, which has already been done with bitcoin. And how much was communizhzheno with the help of stock exchanges. If you are not concerned about the relevant authorities, it only means that you are at the bottom and do not represent any real interest.
  28. 0
    29 January 2022 17: 07
    Quote: vl903
    currencies are guaranteed by states

    Imeeno so!
    Our national currency is completely under control, through the Central Bank and Nabibulna of the US Federal Reserve.
    Nabiulina cannot print a single ruble without a visa from the United States, for this she studied there (a student of the State Department).
    Therefore, she speaks so sharply about the crypt. What can not be said about the equally unsympathetic character - Anton Siluanov. After all, he is against the ban on crypto and mining.
    These contradictions in the tree of power clearly show the struggle between foreign curators and domestic bloodsuckers.
    The strongest will win.
    But if the Gosdepovsky clan turns out to have a shield, all the intent of Russia will lose.
  29. 0
    30 January 2022 00: 49
    Quote: Sergey BM
    Don't dig a lot

    Our collection laws do not apply there. EE and gas are appropriated openly. Lawsuits are not accepted by the courts. In terms of gas, it’s generally enchanting, the all-powerful Gazprom, bending down the governments of other regions, forgives all debts there.
  30. -1
    30 January 2022 16: 14
    Quote: ban
    Bitcoin has not been mined on video cards for a long time.

    This has become the collective name of the crypto-pile.