Military Review

The admiral who was able to put the whole country on the ears without firing a shot

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Photo: Bundeswehr / Steve Back


The current state of international politics and the military sphere remains quite complex. Countries, on the one hand, are ready to talk about problems, but, on the other hand, do not intend to sacrifice any of their interests.

The crisis of relations is more and more reminiscent of the pre-war years of the last century.

Sometimes one gets the feeling that there are two camps of completely different politicians and officials on both sides.

Some advocate a simple solution to the problem. It is necessary to start a small and victorious war, during which the enemy will be defeated, and all differences will be resolved automatically.

Others, on the contrary, call for a conversation and a sober attitude to the situation. There will be no small war. There will be another world "meat grinder".

Moreover, the strangest thing is that civilian politicians and high-ranking military men, who occupy serious positions in the armies of different states, “swapped places”. Listening to the speeches of politicians and diplomats, a person understands that war is inevitable. In the speeches of high-ranking military men, there are more peaceful notes. Need to talk!

Personally, I understand this approach.

It is quite a common situation when the most ardent supporters of the war are those who will not go to this war.

It is enough to look at the president of a neighboring state, who has already forgotten the word peace when it comes to Donbass or Russia, while successfully avoiding conscription, not to mention a trip to “defend Nenka” to eastern Ukraine.

The military, especially those occupying high positions, are well aware of what war is, what weapons the opposing side has, and what results will be in a real clash of armies. It is not for nothing that only American generals command NATO troops. The backbone and main military force of the alliance was and remains American.

Why are the military more realistic?


Indeed, in my opinion, the military assesses everything that is happening around much more realistically than politicians. And this applies to all the military, from an ordinary soldier to the Minister of Defense of the country.

And the point here is not education, knowledge of some military and state secrets, or something else. It's a matter of approach.

The army of any country has a very specific task. She looks very specific. Maintaining the security of the country, ensuring the inviolability of borders and preventing a world war. Exactly the same specific tasks are facing the power structures. Hence much more precise definitions in statements, more specific conclusions from the situation.

For politicians, such forms of communication with people are uncharacteristic. Politicians pay much more attention to ideology, propaganda of their own views, loud statements that arouse interest in their personality.

You don’t have to look far for examples: turn on the TV, and everything will become clear and understandable.

I would say even more, modern politicians are overwhelmingly prone to speculative rhetoric. They say what people want to hear and quickly forget their own promises. This gives rise to such a variety of visions of the world. People believe populists, although they understand that some of the theses in their speeches are obvious lies.

Look at what is happening in the American and some European politicians.

The President, Prime Minister or Chancellor makes a statement. Everything seems to be clear. Analysts "suck" every word of the head of state, experts suggest further developments, but ...

A few hours later, some other high-ranking official comes forward and says the complete opposite. And a few hours later, the third official says something third. And all three are included in the clip of the highest leaders of the state ...

This is especially noticeable today. The same president of a neighboring state on the same day, speaking to different audiences, issues completely opposite theses.

For their own people - these ideas are such that they do not anger the right. For the West, this is a panic from the eight-year “future attack” of the Russians. For Europe, it is a bulwark of the defense of European democracy. For Russia, this is a president who longs for peace in Ukraine.

US Secretary of State Anthony Blinken acts in the same capacity. One speaks in Moscow, the other speaks in Brussels, the third speaks in Washington, the fourth speaks in Kiev.

Top officials today do not bear responsibility for their words. It can always be said that, despite the fact that Blinken occupies the highest position in the US diplomatic department, in this case he simply expresses his opinion on some issue.

But sometimes high-ranking military men can turn an entire country upside down with a few phrases. It is from the head - simply because one state adjacent to Russia has been standing like that for a long time.

And what the military said openly is just the truth.

The admiral who didn't want to play politics


I am referring to Vice Admiral Kai-Achim Schönbach, former Commander of the German Naval Forces.

Why ex?

Yes, simply because the admiral did not begin to sing along with politicians and clearly expressed the position of a military man on the situation with Ukraine.

In particular, Schönbach clearly stated that Crimea would never return to Ukraine.

So what is next:

“I have asked Secretary of Defense Christine Lambrecht to immediately release me from my post. The minister granted my request."

Everything happened in one day.

During a visit to India, January 21, 2022 at the Institute of Defense Research and Analysis. Admiral Manohara Parrikara spoke in the sense that India and Germany really need Russia to confront China. In his speech, Schoenbach just mentioned that Crimea is lost for Ukraine forever.

But the admiral's worst sin is that he allowed himself to be called "nonsense" the widely propagated assertion about the possibility of a military invasion of Ukraine. And he outlined the main goal of President Putin not to conquer the world and the entire Universe, but only to demand that Moscow be treated as an equal partner.

The resignation letter was signed on January 22.

Kiev's reaction to this statement is interesting.

Here is what Oleg Nikolenko, official representative of the Ukrainian Foreign Ministry, said about Crimea:

“The Crimean peninsula can only be lost in the imagination of a German Vice Admiral. Crimea will certainly return thanks to the persistent efforts of Ukraine and its partners, who will show determination in countering the aggressor state. In this regard, we demand an explanation from the German government as to how the words of the commander of the Navy correlate with Germany's consistent support for the Crimean Platform.

But Schönbach's statement was widely circulated.

And the admiral was forced to declare that this was his personal opinion, and not the official position of the German Ministry of Defense. This was caused, among other things, by the cries that were heard from Kiev.

However, if we take a closer look at Germany's position on certain issues, for example, on the supply of weapons, there is doubt about the sincerity of the German Defense Ministry.

Germany does not lift the embargo on the supply of weapons to Ukraine. German Defense Minister Lambrecht said that, despite Germany's support for Ukraine, to supply weapon Kiev will not have Berlin. Instead, as part of the support, the Bundeswehr will transfer a field hospital to the Armed Forces of Ukraine.

Yesterday Kuleba even threatened to remember this fact for a long time:

“Germany's refusal (...) disappoints the Ukrainian public. Unfortunately, Ukrainians will remember this for decades to come, and this is very sad for me as a foreign minister.”

Ukraine demands weapons from Germany


Yes, that's right, Kiev requires the supply of weapons from Berlin.

Here is a statement on this matter by Minister of Foreign Affairs of Ukraine Kuleba.

“Recent German statements about the impossibility of transferring defensive weapons to Ukraine, in particular through granting permission to third parties, the futility of returning Crimea, the hesitation to disconnect the Russian Federation from SWIFT do not correspond to the level of our relations and the current security situation.”

It is quite understandable that Admiral Schönbach's statement sounded like a bolt from the blue for Kiev.

The Americans, the British, even the Estonians, like some other NATO countries, are pumping weapons into Ukraine to the fullest. The same FGM-148 Javelin ATGMs are already being openly shown in the Donbass. And the British complexes were immediately brought there.

Although, from my point of view, these benefactors are simply using the raised dregs to sell what should be disposed of in months. Simply put, they not only save on disposal, but also make a profit.

The Germans, despite their own statements earlier, unexpectedly for Kiev, abandoned the confrontation with Moscow, refused to supply weapons.

German Foreign Ministry Annalena Burbock explicitly stated that Germany would no longer risk herself, especially with Russia:

“The position of the German government on the supply of arms, given our restrictive arms export policy, is known, and this is also due to our history».

It is impossible to pass by another odious person who is related to the resignation of Vice Admiral Schönbach.

This is the Ukrainian Ambassador to Germany Andriy Melnyk. "Always begging for something." It was he, the ambassador, and not the minister of foreign affairs or the president, who first spoke about the resignation of the admiral.

At the beginning of his commentary to the newspaper Die Welt, Melnik writes that he welcomes the decision of the German Defense Ministry. And then he blasts the German Foreign Ministry for what happened in India. In his opinion, the statement of the German commander fleet "seriously calls into question the credibility of Germany at the international level."

And the Germans are silent ...

They are silent, perhaps because of the inexperience of the new government and Annilena Burbock personally. Or because the German government was "pressed" by Washington.

But, most likely, the German government was reminded of the role that Berlin should play in the Crimean Platform. Let me remind you that according to Ukraine's statements, it is Germany that will head one of the five areas of work. Namely, the "policy of non-recognition."

Is this a possible split in NATO or is the admiral's "soldier directness" just a pose?


So what happened in Germany?

Is the rather bold statement of the German admiral connected with a change in the vector of Germany's foreign policy?

These questions remain unanswered so far.

The fact that things are heading towards a real clash and Kiev will act as a provocateur is very likely.

How likely is it that in response to the offensive in the Donbass, Russian troops will not go to the territory of Ukraine. It will be enough to strike the Aerospace Forces at military infrastructure facilities and places of deployment of equipment and weapons. Republicans will liberate the territory of Donetsk and Lugansk regions.

Germany is well aware that in the end, if a decision is made to help Kiev, it will be the Germans who will have to fight. The rest of the NATO armies in Europe are not intended for war.

British? Any Poles or Balts?

Besides the Germans, only the Turks can take risks, but Erdogan is far from being a fool and understands what will happen to the army in the event of a conflict.

The government understands that such participation of Bundeswehr soldiers in the events in Ukraine will mean the end not only of the government, but of the parties whose members are in this government. The people of Germany remember very well how the previous campaign to the East ended.

I think that the new German government turned out to be much stronger than expected.

And Admiral Schönbach's statement is not at all accidental. He simply voiced what is being said on the sidelines in Berlin. And I would not be at all surprised if after some time we hear this surname in connection with some fairly significant appointment. The 55-year-old admiral is still young enough for a politician ...

The split of the alliance was marked.

PS


For those who are already proudly talking about the nobility and honor of German officers.

The dismissal of senior officers in the German army occurs under several articles. Honorary dismissal is considered to be at the end of the term of service. Moreover, the honor is expressed in fairly serious cash payments and other benefits. Including later career. It seems to me that Vice Admiral Schönbach was offered a choice. He made it...
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  1. Lech from Android.
    Lech from Android. 26 January 2022 05: 25
    +14
    Politicians, the military, the rest of the people ... three layers of society, each living in their own worlds, and they rarely understand each other ... different goals, worldview ... naturally, and the contradictions between them ... it has always been like this.
    As for the war ... in order to sober up the people eager for war, it is necessary to show them the war from the inside with all its directness ... with the guts out. The military have seen this and know what it is.
    Politicians are crooks for the most part... they don't care about the millions of future victims of the war... the main achievement of their ambitions, the people and the military will pay for it with their lives... Zelensky, Poroshenko, American thimbles from this category of scammers.
    Well, the two world massacres benefited the Germans ... they are not in a hurry to go to war ... a reasonable position.
    1. Hagen
      Hagen 26 January 2022 06: 05
      +12
      Quote: Lech from Android.
      Well, the two world massacres benefited the Germans ... they are not in a hurry to go to war ... a reasonable position.

      The Germans, like, in general, and all other peoples, are very different. In addition to this admiral, there is Kramp-Karrenbauer. Also, a member of the elite political club "ex-leaders". So what? He is still a "hawk" ready to fight ... Yes, and with the admiral, not everything is clear. He, as a fairly experienced officer, perfectly imagined what he was going to, what would follow his statements. We do not know the motivation for his jerk against the current. His track record includes participation in the American expansion against Afghanistan. Therefore, the belief that he is a "dove of peace", having studied the experience of recent wars, is at least hasty. And most importantly, his statement did not bring anything positive to us, the fighters for peace. And, in the end, he is not for peace, but for war. Our hands against our own strategic partner. So, about the guts - beautiful, but this admiral, now retired, will gladly unwind our guts in the war with China. Or did someone not listen to the admiral?
      1. Civil
        Civil 26 January 2022 07: 26
        -1
        Kai-Achim Schönbach, former Commander of the German Naval Forces.

        In these filthy Internets I am writing that the admiral was offered some position in Russia.
        1. Hagen
          Hagen 26 January 2022 07: 37
          +6
          Quote: Civil
          In these filthy Internets I am writing that the admiral was offered some position in Russia.

          I think the Internet is not. It's just that in this sea of ​​information and disinformation, one must learn to look for a pearl in a mountain of manure. And it's not always easy.
          1. Civil
            Civil 26 January 2022 07: 38
            -3
            Quote: Hagen
            Quote: Civil
            In these filthy Internets I am writing that the admiral was offered some position in Russia.

            I think the Internet is not. It's just that in this sea of ​​information and disinformation, one must learn to look for a pearl in a mountain of manure. And it's not always easy.

            I saw it somewhere in the comments on Zen. I was surprised by this turn of events... request
            1. Hagen
              Hagen 26 January 2022 07: 57
              +2
              Quote: Civil
              I saw it somewhere in the comments on Zen. I was surprised by this turn of events...

              I don't think it's serious information. It is not clear what a foreign downed pilot would be useful to us. Transferring the military secrets of the Bundeswehr? laughing Fantasy ...
            2. Hagen
              Hagen 26 January 2022 08: 22
              +8
              Quote: Civil
              I saw it somewhere in the comments on Zen.

              I would point out otherwise. Public humiliation of the German generals is unlikely to contribute to his initiative in anti-Russian actions or even strain internal relations in NATO. But hostility to Ukraine, I think, will grow. In what way this may manifest itself, it is difficult to say. But sometimes the inner mood also matters ...
              1. Simple
                Simple 26 January 2022 16: 44
                0
                Quote: Hagen
                Public humiliation of the German generals....

                But was it?
                As an option - "leaked" unreliable.
                Politicians clean up the ranks of the Bundeswehr.
                We do not forget that last year the head of MAD submitted his resignation.
                Ask yourself why?
      2. man
        man 26 January 2022 15: 39
        +1
        His track record includes participation in the American expansion against Afghanistan.
        The military does not belong to himself. He was ordered to must execute the order.
      3. expert
        expert 26 January 2022 20: 20
        0
        AKK (Annegret Kramp-Karrenbauer) no longer exists as a politician and minister, thank God.
        Instead, Frau Lambrecht, who is not inferior to her in animal hatred for Russia, implicated in a complete lack of professionalism. By profession, a lawyer.
        And the admiral was drawn to revelations, in a calm conversation, not on camera and without journalists. But some bastard, quietly filmed part of the exchange on the phone.
        This aunt immediately hit the admiral and "ran over" ...
        1. Hagen
          Hagen 27 January 2022 06: 00
          +1
          Quote: Fachmann
          AKK (Annegret Kramp-Karrenbauer) no longer exists as a politician and minister, thank God.

          You do understand that it's not about the surname. And the fact that the bench of Russophobes in the politicians of Germany is much longer than that of sane people. And given that the entire European Parliament and the key figures of the German cabinet of ministers are necessarily coordinated with Washington, people who take into account the results of the Second World War in the governing bodies of Germany and the EU as a whole are as rare as dinosaurs. And even if we assume that one of the generals in the kitchen in his kitchen can voice a completely productive thought in a whisper, then before the adoption of a state decision with such a mood, he will not be allowed to fire a cannon shot. Germany has long been "lying" under the United States to no lesser extent than the same Baltic states. Here, too, 404 "pushed through" it. This is some kind of .... shame ...
  2. Vladimir Vladimirovich Vorontsov
    Vladimir Vladimirovich Vorontsov 26 January 2022 05: 31
    +1
    ***
    Man!...
    ***
    1. Pandiurin
      Pandiurin 26 January 2022 05: 45
      +17
      Quote: Vladimir Vladimirovich Vorontsov
      ***
      Man!...
      ***


      And it is even clear why he resigned "immediately".

      He must have been called on the carpet to Defense Minister von Der Lein.

      He stands in front of a woman and she scolds his admiral. And he probably thinks:
      "Well, let's say I even messed up,
      but why did they call me a man
      to the GYNECOLOGIST's office???!"
      1. your1970
        your1970 26 January 2022 07: 20
        +5
        Quote: Pandiurin

        He must have been called on the carpet to Defense Minister von Der Lein.

        You were joking .. probably? Yes? She has not been the Ministry of Defense of Germany for a long time - she now rules in the EU ...
      2. expert
        expert 26 January 2022 20: 24
        +1
        I understand that this is a joke, but Von der Leyen is already good, if not the Minister of Defense.
  3. nikvic46
    nikvic46 26 January 2022 06: 14
    +7
    It turns out that some moments happen not only in life, but also in politics. Some dunce will shout an alarming exclamation, and then he himself will be frightened. All these disguises with the departure of embassies from Ukraine alarmed Europe. Already a small country has said that if there is a war in Ukraine, then it will leave the NATO bloc. You can’t tell scary bedtime stories even to big uncles and aunts.
  4. Serge-667
    Serge-667 26 January 2022 07: 06
    +5
    It is quite a common situation when the most ardent supporters of the war are those who will not go to this war.

    Oh yeah! These are enough for VO. Throwers of Zircons and Calibers, and in general the entire strategic stock of special combat units.
    1. p0pulivox
      p0pulivox 26 January 2022 15: 17
      0
      Precisely, such goodness here is a wagon and a small cart! good
      1. Serge-667
        Serge-667 26 January 2022 22: 53
        +2
        Nothing nothing! Now the baydyn will blather and we will hit Washington with tsyrkons and Satan!
        Pens to the syllables will be postponed with bricks.
        :) bgggg.
  5. Daniil Konovalenko
    Daniil Konovalenko 26 January 2022 08: 52
    +3
    Germany, half of Europe already feeds, why does she need extra freeloaders.
  6. Jcvai
    Jcvai 26 January 2022 09: 00
    +2
    The army of any country is faced with the task of preventing a world war

    Following this logic, the aggressor is always the winner, because the opponent's army is obliged to surrender as part of "preventing a world war"
  7. Non-fighter
    Non-fighter 26 January 2022 09: 51
    +2
    It is quite a common situation when the most ardent supporters of the war are those who will not go to this war.

    Author bravo!!! This phrase must be remembered!
    Germany is well aware that in the end, if a decision is made to help Kiev, it will be the Germans who will have to fight. The rest of the NATO armies in Europe are not intended for war.

    And further. If I'm not mistaken, then in the NATO structure, each country is responsible for some direction. Sappers are trained by one country, chemists by another, and so on. What are the Germans responsible for? And what kind of "freedom of hands" do they have, can they refuse to send troops to Ukraine?
  8. VicktorVR
    VicktorVR 26 January 2022 10: 17
    +2
    Everything is easier and more difficult.
    Each state has its own groups of influence, some global, some national.
    Now "interesting times" the interests of different groups have diverged greatly and the contradictions began to crawl out into the public field.

    High-ranking military men can also be part of different groups, but they have a stronger job vertical, plus the specific perception of reality, which is mentioned in the article
  9. gridasov
    gridasov 26 January 2022 11: 52
    0
    In this case, we observe the process that the mass of people is immersed in a virtual representation of reality. The general sees reality, and against the background of the general distorted view of politicians about what is happening, he, of course, became a black sheep. Civilization is plunging into a pandemic of distorted perception of reality, and different sectors of society manifest this process in different ways.
  10. ruAlex
    ruAlex 26 January 2022 11: 57
    +1
    "Millers and Kulebs" It's too early to rejoice, the whole admiral was given a kick. The Bundestag clearly "fell in love" with Ukraine even more ...
  11. seacap
    seacap 26 January 2022 12: 13
    0
    A professional military man of any country in the world, and so on. At such a level, at the genetic level from the school bench, he is accustomed to accurately and objectively assess all risks and calculate his actions, the price of a mistake can be fatal both for him personally and for his country, and in our time for civilization. Therefore, there is nothing surprising in this, this is the natural behavior of a competent and professional commander, as it should be, for these people to lead their subordinates into battle and answer with their heads and life itself along with them.
  12. Hikaro
    Hikaro 26 January 2022 12: 14
    +2
    I can testify, living in Latvia and communicating with people and not only in my own country, the vast majority of people are now shocked by the gas, electricity and communal bills!! On the way to the airport in Brussels, I talked with a taxi driver. He bitterly complained to me all the way about the wild prices for energy resources and cursed the European bureaucracy for refusing to launch Nord Stream 2 !!! He explained to me that all this is green energy, this is fiction and deceit! Believe me, ordinary Europeans are not up to a war with some kind of Ukraine !!! This country is already in their livers!! The population of Europe is gradually impoverished and this worries them much more!! The military is also affected! It’s just that for politicians it’s a trend to throw mud at Russia, blaming it for all the sins, it’s like it was under the Union, if you want to make a career, join the CPSU !! Now the same! If you want to sit at the trough in Brussels, you need to find fault with Russia!
    And the last participation in hostilities is a huge expense, and it is unlikely that Germany really wants to spend money on this !! And this applies to other countries too! Covid has hit business hard and I know for sure that European governments will spend money first of all on supporting businesses and people! Only America can afford to pay for the war, which is why these tough negotiations began!
    1. expert
      expert 26 January 2022 20: 29
      0
      I support you completely! Same thing in Germany. But, as in the USSR, everyone should support the "party line" in our country. If not, then you are the natural enemy of everything progressive and good. Everyone be silent and afraid!
  13. p0pulivox
    p0pulivox 26 January 2022 15: 10
    -3
    Is this a possible split in NATO or is the admiral's "soldier directness" just a pose?
    So what happened in Germany?
    Is the rather bold statement of the German admiral connected with a change in the vector of Germany's foreign policy?
    These questions remain unanswered so far.
    There is no split in NATO and, unfortunately, it is not expected in the near future. On the contrary, the "ultimatum" contributed to its demonstrative rallying. The admiral's statement is an expression of the position of sanity and is not directly related to a change in the foreign policy of the FRG.
  14. p0pulivox
    p0pulivox 26 January 2022 15: 22
    -3
    Quote: Hikaro
    I can testify, living in Latvia and communicating with people and not only in my own country, the vast majority of people are now shocked by the gas, electricity and communal bills!! On the way to the airport in Brussels, I talked with a taxi driver. He bitterly complained to me all the way about the wild prices for energy resources and cursed the European bureaucracy for refusing to launch Nord Stream 2 !!! He explained to me that all this is green energy, this is fiction and deceit! Believe me, ordinary Europeans are not up to a war with some kind of Ukraine !!! This country is already in their livers!! The population of Europe is gradually impoverished and this worries them much more!! The military is also affected! It’s just that for politicians it’s a trend to throw mud at Russia, blaming it for all the sins, it’s like it was under the Union, if you want to make a career, join the CPSU !! Now the same! If you want to sit comfortably at the trough in Brussels, you need to find fault with Russia!
    And the last participation in hostilities is a huge expense, and it is unlikely that Germany really wants to spend money on this !! And this applies to other countries too! Covid has hit business hard and I know for sure that European governments will spend money first of all on supporting businesses and people! Only America can afford to pay for the war, which is why these tough negotiations began!

    Since "there" everything is very sad, it is logical to assume that it is high time for people "from there" to move to the Russian Federation, where the population is gradually getting richer. Or is it a little different?
  15. RoTTor
    RoTTor 26 January 2022 16: 19
    -1
    A REAL OFFICER and said, in a military way: directly and honestly.
    Let this German admiral move to Russia for permanent residence.
    He will certainly be given a worthy position in the Russian Navy,
    as former Ukrainian admirals who joined the Russian service together with Crimea!
    https://twitter.com/RoTToR100A1/with_replies
  16. Dmitry Pozhidaev
    Dmitry Pozhidaev 26 January 2022 18: 26
    -1
    I will speak for the Russians, my compatriots: revenge on the Germans for their participation in the next murder of Russians will be very strong and extremely painful. I hope the Germans will read this and, based on their historical experience, imagine how a Russian devastating and deadly whirlwind will sweep over beautiful Germany. We have not yet forgotten your trip to us, but we would very much like it. Don't let the Jews plunge you and me into mutual annihilation again. There are more of us and we are much stronger, in every sense, of all of you Western Europeans put together. Let's live in peace. We don't want to kill you. Don't push us into it.
    1. Yarhann
      Yarhann 26 January 2022 20: 22
      +2
      how not to spoil the Jews)) without it, just nowhere) as in the saying - the cat abandoned the kittens, it's the Jew's fault))) ouch!
      looking at such anti-Semitism, I really regret that I'm not a Jew
  17. Yarhann
    Yarhann 26 January 2022 20: 19
    +3
    Comrade says counter-revolutionary things))))
  18. Victorio
    Victorio 26 January 2022 23: 17
    0
    Did the Germans themselves, except for the top, somehow appreciate the admiral's statement and deed?
  19. Arabfun
    Arabfun 27 January 2022 03: 28
    0
    Quote: Serge-667
    Nothing nothing! Now the baydyn will blather and we will hit Washington with tsyrkons and Satan!
    Pens to the syllables will be postponed with bricks.
    :) bgggg.

    and in response: what is weak or what? they hit them on cheroshima and then hit everywhere, and as soon as the chief leaves, or even earlier, they will put them in Moscow, just as the Pentagon sat in the Kremlin under Hunchback. Postponed for the time being ours. Merge whoever can throw a cry - everyone went overseas to fight.
  20. Arabfun
    Arabfun 27 January 2022 03: 44
    0
    Quote: Yarhann
    how not to spoil the Jews)) without it, just nowhere) as in the saying - the cat abandoned the kittens, it's the Jew's fault))) ouch!
    looking at such anti-Semitism, I really regret that I'm not a Jew

    under communism, they were taught to respond correctly to criticism and correct themselves, no matter what nation the violators of the order were, otherwise they found an excuse, you understand, we are all sailing in the same boat. Why, like high-profile thieves' scandals, their names sound like that, or is the media kindling or a fact. Where is democracy when all the dogs were hung on the Russians and everyone wants to shed, they already agree to sell their nation? And they are not afraid of anything.