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Sergey Lavrov: NATO foreign military contingents must leave Bulgaria and Romania

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The meeting between Sergei Lavrov and Anthony Blinken ended in Geneva. According to the latest information, it lasted about an hour and a half. In fact, this meeting was the second round of Russian-American negotiations on security issues, the first round of which took place on January 9-10, also in Switzerland.


During the meeting, Sergey Lavrov presented Russia's unequivocal position on the issue of the NATO military presence in Eastern Europe. The head of the Russian Foreign Ministry pointed out that Moscow's position clearly implies non-acceptance of the former Soviet republics into the alliance, and also implies the complete withdrawal of foreign NATO military contingents from the territory of Bulgaria and Romania.

It should be emphasized that in Romania there is a position area of ​​the American missile defense system (anti-missile defense). It is located near the village of Deveselu. Russia has repeatedly stated to Washington and Brussels that the location of such an area near the borders of Russia (including Poland) poses a clear threat to the Russian Federation. The reason is that anti-missiles in launchers can be easily replaced with strike weapons - ground-to-ground missiles, which have a range sufficient to destroy objects on Russian territory. However, neither in the United States nor in NATO has anyone reacted to these concerns of Moscow in recent years. At first they said that the American missile defense facilities in Romania and Poland were “against Iran”, then they completely stopped commenting on this.

Also, Sergei Lavrov, during negotiations with the head of the US State Department, said that "it's time to force Kiev to comply with the Minsk agreements." The head of the Russian Foreign Ministry noted that the Ukrainian authorities, not fulfilling these agreements, are doing everything themselves to ensure that Donbass is torn away.

The Foreign Minister stressed that during the talks, the US Secretary of State acknowledged that Russia is deploying its weapons on its territory. This is one of the key positions in the dialogue that took place, because the United States is constantly talking about the deployment of Russian troops "on the borders of Ukraine." Sergei Lavrov actually got Anthony Blinken to acknowledge the fact that there is not a single international treaty that would prohibit the Russian army from moving across its territory or through the territory of other countries whose authorities approved such a move.

For his part, Blinken said that US President Joe Biden is ready to personally meet with Vladimir Putin if this will help resolve the crisis.
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Russian Foreign Ministry website
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  1. Citisen
    Citisen 21 January 2022 16: 19
    -72
    Ultimatums Funnier and funnier.
    What will happen in a week?
    1. marchcat
      marchcat 21 January 2022 16: 21
      -7
      Looks like the specific steps of the United States and NATO, nothing will come of it, everything will "sink" in the negotiations.
      1. neurostimulator
        neurostimulator 21 January 2022 16: 50
        +17
        In negotiations and sanctions.
      2. DymOk_v_dYmke
        DymOk_v_dYmke 21 January 2022 17: 21
        +11
        Quote: marchcat
        Looks like the specific steps of the United States and NATO, nothing will come of it, everything will "sink" in the negotiations.

        Drowning.
        Thin moment:
        Sergey Lavrov actually got Anthony Blinken to acknowledge the fact that there is not a single international treaty that would prohibit the Russian army from moving across its territory or through the territory of other countries whose authorities have approved such a movement.

        The striped have every reason to answer word for word.
        And this is a dead end.
        1. Looking for
          Looking for 21 January 2022 19: 10
          -2
          it looks like it is.
    2. Stepan S
      Stepan S 21 January 2022 16: 23
      +33
      What will happen in a week?

      The main thing is not to get distracted, keep watching and you will know what will happen in a week. It may not be funny to everyone.
      And the statements of "your friends" are not funny to listen to?
    3. Borik
      Borik 21 January 2022 16: 25
      +6
      Ultimatums Funnier and funnier.


      And what's so funny??? Everything on the case offers Lavrov.
      1. Ingvar 72
        Ingvar 72 21 January 2022 16: 51
        -18
        Quote: Borik

        And what's so funny??? Everything on the case offers Lavrov.

        The essence of what Lavrov "demands" is ridiculous. NATO 100% will not leave Bulgaria and Romania, and Lavrov knows this. But all the same, he beats show-offs, designed only for the Russian electorate.
        The first thing that should happen, at the beginning of a real confrontation with the West, is the beginning of the development of our own economy.
        1. Orel
          Orel 21 January 2022 16: 55
          -48
          Quote: Ingvar 72
          The essence of what Lavrov "demands" is ridiculous. NATO 100% will not leave Bulgaria and Romania, and Lavrov knows this. But all the same, he beats show-offs, designed only for the Russian electorate.
          The first thing that should happen, at the beginning of a real confrontation with the West, is the beginning of the development of our own economy.


          This circus is designed exclusively for the people of Russia to feed them the threat of NATO. Nobody wants to negotiate. Putin's regime is saved only by the belief that "the country is surrounded by enemies." So we need the negotiations to fail. The best guarantee of this is impracticable and absurd demands in advance, stated in all seriousness at the same time. Without this distraction, we would have already remembered corruption, tax increases, communal services, gas and food prices, people dying from coronovirus and daily records for sick people and about a thousand and one more problems in our country. And they would go to ask upstairs, but they are not ready to answer for it.
          1. t-4
            t-4 21 January 2022 17: 20
            +50
            You are interesting people. Sit on the MILITARY forum and constantly push ideas about beggarly pregnant pensioners and the failure of power. No, of course I have questions for my government, but I do not intend to discuss them with you, as Vladimir Semenovich used to say.
            So you would discuss the economic situation somewhere on CyberForum, something like:
            The price elasticity of the population's demand for goods B is /0,8/, and the cross elasticity for the price of goods C is 0,5. Today's consumption of good B is 10 units. per month. Calculate how and by what amount (in units) the consumption of good B will change if it is known that in the coming period the price of good B will increase by 9%, and the price of good C will decrease by 6%
            Or, except for "Everything is bad and the system needs to be changed," there are not enough brains for more.
            And VO - Military Review and discuss military issues here.
            1. Orel
              Orel 21 January 2022 17: 30
              -32
              Quote: t-4
              No, of course I have questions for my government, but I do not intend to discuss them with you, as Vladimir Semenovich used to say.


              The key phrase that says that this problem is secondary to you before the "threat to NATO." That's what the calculation is for, and you just confirmed it. Such people "who, of course, have claims to power, BUT ..." the vast majority. This is how everything worked before and is working now, when a platform of public opinion is being created - a "besieged fortress". After all, in a siege, hardships and hardships must be endured.
              1. mitroha
                mitroha 21 January 2022 18: 04
                +24
                And you are a feathered one, of course, for peace, democracy and the struggle against the system?
                But many have already eaten your shitty "democracy" in the 90s, including myself. Therefore, what for, let the dictatorship, let socialism, if only not that lawlessness and Western worship
            2. lot
              lot 21 January 2022 17: 49
              0
              discussing military issues.

              Napoleon about Murat: "In the mind of the enemy, Murat surpassed everyone in the world in courage, in the field he was a real knight, in the office - a braggart without mind and determination"
              In addition, we are not only discussing footcloths here.
            3. Arkadich
              Arkadich 21 January 2022 19: 25
              +5
              Let's just discuss, less emotions, and even insults are not far away. I also agree with previous statements. Our Foreign Ministry went to the wrong steppe, diplomacy is not done on threats and ultimatums. The demand to Bulgaria and Romania is not acceptable, as they have already answered, it is their business in which union to be. Tomorrow Azerbaijan will demand withdrawal from the CSTO of Kazakhstan. How will you react to this? As for the discussion of only military issues, the article is posted on VO, it is being discussed.
              1. koramax81
                koramax81 21 January 2022 19: 58
                -1
                Are you an expert in international politics? Or you know about all the pitfalls. Not? so there is nothing to teach Lavrov's mind-reason. It has long been noticed - just like that Sergey Viktorovich does not say anything
                1. Arkadich
                  Arkadich 21 January 2022 20: 05
                  +11
                  I suspect that most of the interlocutors here and perhaps even you are not specialists in international affairs. However, this does not prevent us all from expressing our opinions.
                  P.S. let's be calmer about people, even those who have a different opinion from yours.
                  1. koramax81
                    koramax81 21 January 2022 21: 08
                    -1
                    That's the problem with all resources. "Everyone imagines himself a strategist, seeing the battle from afar"
                    1. Arkadich
                      Arkadich 21 January 2022 21: 16
                      +4
                      Well, maybe this is not bad, there is an exchange of opinions, society is developing, and the competent authorities can monitor the mood in society and bring it to the ears of those in power.
                      1. Orel
                        Orel 21 January 2022 21: 23
                        -4
                        Quote: Arkadich
                        and the competent authorities, by tracking, can conduct an analysis of the mood in society and bring it to the ears of those in power.


                        Then they were definitely not interested in VO, there were previously a lot of knowledgeable people, interesting interlocutors, now there is a lot of jingoistic patriotism and many simply do not write. Therefore, for the barometer of public sentiment, the FSO and the FSB have their own sociological research service and its reports are not Rosstat and Levada, these are reliable statistics, but it is not in the media, but on the table, you know who, and there a lot of things are not as rosy as those figures that are published as a result.
              2. Shiva83483
                Shiva83483 21 January 2022 21: 13
                +1
                Let's just discuss, less emotions, and even insults are not far away. I also agree with previous statements. Our Foreign Ministry went to the wrong steppe, diplomacy is not done on threats and ultimatums.
                ... how is it not done? and what are the geyrosoyuz and fsha doing all the time?
                1. Arkadich
                  Arkadich 21 January 2022 21: 26
                  +1
                  They imagine themselves to be winners, they besieged us like wolves, so they allow themselves the behavior of punks from the gateway.
              3. niki233
                niki233 21 January 2022 22: 15
                -1
                let's wait for the end of the Chinese Olympiad and then we'll see WHAT our mattresses will answer
                1. Mungut
                  Mungut 23 January 2022 02: 44
                  0
                  What if China again, on the first day of the Olympiad, learns that someone, once again, attacked our peacekeepers ..... Intrigue, however.
              4. Wertgan
                Wertgan 23 January 2022 09: 45
                0
                Arkadich, did you decide that the demand is unacceptable? And if it is confirmed by the determination and united will of 160 million people? Will of a huge country? We then understand that you are writing here to destroy this single will, talking about pregnant pensioners. By the way, it is very noticeable how the bots perked up in discussions of such topics.
            4. Ingvar 72
              Ingvar 72 21 January 2022 20: 06
              -6
              Quote: t-4
              So you would discuss the economic situation somewhere on CyberForum,

              Do you not understand that everything is connected? Have you heard the expressions "Politics is the concentrated expression of economics" and "War is the continuation of politics by other means"?
              In the event of a war, where and how are you going to compensate for the loss of equipment?
              How and by whom are you going to make up for human losses?
              Who, how and with what will treat the wounded, and where are you going to place them?
              Demography, economics and science, industry and education - all this directly affects the country's military power. And it is foolish to think otherwise, it is foolish to think that the military-industrial complex can flourish against the backdrop of the degradation of science and industry.
            5. CYM
              CYM 21 January 2022 22: 01
              +3
              And VO - Military Review and discuss military issues here

              "War is the continuation of politics by other means." (Carl von Clausewitz)
              To be honest, I agree that the discussion of economic and political problems (especially Ukraine) is already sitting in the liver. negative
            6. Paranoid50
              Paranoid50 22 January 2022 00: 02
              0
              Quote: t-4
              You are interesting people. Sit on the MILITARY forum and constantly push ideas about beggarly pregnant pensioners and the failure of power.

              Have mercy - people are at work. yes laughing
              Quote: t-4
              Of course, I have questions for my government, but I do not intend to discuss them with you, as Vladimir Semenovich used to say.

              Quote: t-4
              Of course, I have questions for my government, but I do not intend to discuss them with you, as Vladimir Semenovich used to say.

              I gave them the same quote five years ago, when similar organisms multiplied on the resource, dispersed and began to flood like black, actively polluting the branches with their "waste products", regardless of the topics of the articles. It got to the point that their well-worn maxims about bad power could be found, for example, in an article about the special forces of Sierra Leone. fellow wassat
          2. Charik
            Charik 23 January 2022 01: 45
            0
            but the Jews of Bandera will be the first to receive a saucepan
        2. Serg Kam
          Serg Kam 21 January 2022 17: 00
          +6
          The essence of what Lavrov "demands" is ridiculous. NATO 100% will not leave Bulgaria and Romania, and Lavrov knows this.

          It feels like our Foreign Ministry is rapidly degrading.
          In December, the Foreign Ministry said: "quickly get out of our borders, otherwise we will show you!!!" Everyone was intrigued, and now the world is looking forward to what they will show.
          Words became useless, immediately after the answer of the striped ones, that they have poor eyesight and they do not see red lines.
          And the Foreign Ministry is still saying something else .. why? Until there is action on our part, no one in the world will take Russia seriously
          1. lucul
            lucul 21 January 2022 17: 24
            +13
            Until there is action on our part, no one in the world will take Russia seriously

            So Rokossovsky, before the Bagration operation, also did not twitch, deployed the troops according to his plan - and then gave the go-ahead.
            Not having killer trump cards in his hands, Putin would not even stutter about ultimatums.
            So, everything is fine - "Annushka has already spilled the oil." )))
            1. Serg Kam
              Serg Kam 22 January 2022 01: 08
              -2
              So Rokossovsky, before the Bagration operation, also did not twitch, deployed the troops according to his plan - and then gave the go-ahead.

              That's right. Rokossovsky did not twitch, but acted. I didn’t wander around Switzerland for months, I didn’t publish various ultimatums to the Nazis in the press.
              Russia does not act (even though the ultimatum has expired), but twitches. Thank you for confirming my words.
          2. DymOk_v_dYmke
            DymOk_v_dYmke 21 January 2022 17: 39
            -20
            Quote: SergKam
            Until there is action on our part, no one in the world will take Russia seriously

            There are still actions. While this is a demonstration of muscles (Kazakhstan).
            Not everyone, but they sober someone. hi
          3. Looking for
            Looking for 21 January 2022 19: 23
            -1
            if you remember. in the 80s and even earlier. in the central newspapers, statements by the Soviet Ministry of Foreign Affairs were published with enviable frequency. that from such and such a date a section of the world ocean with such and such a longitude and width. is closed for shipping and air traffic. in connection with planned training launches of ballistic missiles. These messages are "sobering" acted not only on NATO, but also on their masters.
            1. Sergej1972
              Sergej1972 21 January 2022 23: 03
              0
              In my opinion, TASS published such statements, which is a bit strange.
        3. lucul
          lucul 21 January 2022 17: 06
          -7
          The essence of what Lavrov "demands" is ridiculous. NATO 100% will not leave Bulgaria and Romania, and Lavrov knows this. But all the same, he beats show-offs, designed only for the Russian electorate.

          So it remains to wait not long - the Olympics will put everything into place. And then you'll be talking.
          1. Ingvar 72
            Ingvar 72 21 January 2022 17: 09
            +4
            Quote: lucul
            So it remains to wait not long - the Olympics will put everything into place.

            What will she put up? Wangyu that our athletes will again listen to Tchaikovsky under a white flag.
            1. lucul
              lucul 21 January 2022 17: 16
              -4
              What will she put up? Wangyu that our athletes will again listen to Tchaikovsky under a white flag.

              Olympiad 08.08.08 what did you arrange?
              The Anglo-Saxons love to arrange provocations during the Olympics.
              1. Ingvar 72
                Ingvar 72 21 January 2022 17: 22
                -2
                Quote: lucul
                Olympiad 08.08.08 what did you arrange?

                Geopolitically, everything remains as before. Yes, Abkhazia and South Ossetia retained their so-called independence, and then what? Georgia, as before, is a country of the US influence zone.
                1. lucul
                  lucul 21 January 2022 17: 28
                  -4
                  Geopolitically, everything remains as before.

                  Yes, you don’t see trees in the forest - this is the first slap in the face of the United States since the Caribbean crisis.
                  1. Ingvar 72
                    Ingvar 72 21 January 2022 17: 30
                    -9
                    Quote: lucul
                    this is the first slap in the face of the United States since the Cuban Missile Crisis.

                    On the Georgian cheek? wassat This is a step forward, and then a step back. Only.
            2. DymOk_v_dYmke
              DymOk_v_dYmke 21 January 2022 17: 47
              -10
              Quote: Ingvar 72
              What will she put up? Wangyu that our athletes will again listen to Tchaikovsky under a white flag.

              The most meditative during the Olympics will be outside the stadiums and even outside of China.
              Remember, draw parallels. hi
          2. DymOk_v_dYmke
            DymOk_v_dYmke 21 January 2022 17: 43
            -5
            Quote: lucul
            The Olympics will put everything into place.

            +1
            A bunch of the Olympics and exacerbation is not the first time.
        4. ada
          ada 21 January 2022 20: 00
          -1
          Quote: Ingvar 72
          Quote: Borik

          And what's so funny??? Everything on the case offers Lavrov.

          Ridiculous thing....
          The first thing that should happen, at the beginning of a real confrontation with the West, is the beginning of the development of our own economy.


          Which of the "partners" will go for such complex and time-consuming cunning combinations - to give us the opportunity to grow the economy and then only try to take "everything"? Haven't seen anything like this in the docs. Who is there, so desperate or kind? Has something changed in the NATA strategy and no one noticed? In doctrinal ones, they curse themselves for how much in vain for militancy and promise no-no? Crying, but burning their combat missions, touched by the descended grace? Offer peace and mutually beneficial cooperation? Who wants to give us that time to develop anything?
        5. Dima68
          Dima68 22 January 2022 01: 21
          +3
          In principle, there are probably many options for why Russia put forward such requirements, here are some of them:
          1. Now the Americans are turning to the East, and our demands may act as part of a bargaining for the neutrality of Russia.
          2. Putin decided to leave, but he needs to clear the Ukrainian field before leaving, and a formal refusal from the Americans is needed.
          3. Putin or Biden needs to divert attention from actions in the internal or external sphere. So they launched the "fool".
          4. Maybe Putin and Biden have an agreement to raise gas and oil prices.
          In big politics, what is often seen does not correspond to what is happening. Let's see, maybe we'll find out later.
        6. unhappy
          unhappy 22 January 2022 06: 03
          -2
          Are you having problems with logic? What are the "show-offs" here?
          This is politics and calculation, this is a kind of chess game, and you think like a gopnik - one step! You're making a fool out of yourself.
      2. www3
        www3 21 January 2022 17: 35
        -10
        Quote: Borik
        Ultimatums Funnier and funnier.


        And what's so funny??? Everything on the case offers Lavrov.

        that is, Russia can move troops across its territory and countries that allowed it to do so, but NATO does not???
        in romania and bulgaria are the occupying forces???
        1. Cron
          Cron 21 January 2022 18: 02
          -1
          Quote: www3
          that is, Russia can move troops across its territory and countries that allowed it to do so, but NATO does not???

          And you are pretty smart. In Latin America, too, someone can allow someone something. We know the reaction very well.
        2. Crash
          Crash 21 January 2022 18: 14
          +9
          Quote: www3
          in romania and bulgaria are the occupying forces???

          I don’t remember that Syria, for example, gave them the go-ahead
          1. www3
            www3 21 January 2022 18: 18
            -10
            Quote: Crasher
            Quote: www3
            in romania and bulgaria are the occupying forces???

            I don’t remember that Syria, for example, gave them the go-ahead

            so these are questions for Syria!
            but in no way, it’s not Lavrov’s business to decide for the government of Romania and Bulgaria what they should do on their territory.
            1. Paranoid50
              Paranoid50 22 January 2022 00: 17
              +1
              Quote: www3
              it is not Lavrov's business to decide for the government of Romania and Bulgaria what to do on their territory.

              Yes, Lavrov somehow figured out his own competencies, yeah. And yes, there is still a lot to do if these "countries" themselves are not good enough in terms of making independent decisions. Moreover, from the moment of their formation, others decided for them, directly or indirectly, when the same Romanians or Bulgarians had to change the state. policy to the diametrically opposite one. It looked as if natural, but in fact all their movements were due to insurmountable circumstances, and they were forced to join the wake of the "leaders of the race" or "kings of the hill." In general, putting forward conditions that are initially impossible or extremely difficult to fulfill for a counterpart is one of the standard tricks in the geopolitical game. yes
        3. mitroha
          mitroha 21 January 2022 18: 37
          +2
          Quote: www3
          Quote: Borik
          Ultimatums Funnier and funnier.


          And what's so funny??? Everything on the case offers Lavrov.

          that is, Russia can move troops across its territory and countries that allowed it to do so, but NATO does not???
          in romania and bulgaria are the occupying forces???

          You do not see the difference between a sovereign country and an alliance? No one forbids Romania and Bulgaria to move and have their own troops on their territory. And let NATO troops lodge in Brussels
          1. www3
            www3 21 January 2022 18: 39
            -18
            Quote: Mitroha
            Quote: www3
            Quote: Borik
            Ultimatums Funnier and funnier.


            And what's so funny??? Everything on the case offers Lavrov.

            that is, Russia can move troops across its territory and countries that allowed it to do so, but NATO does not???
            in romania and bulgaria are the occupying forces???

            You do not see the difference between a sovereign country and an alliance? No one forbids Romania and Bulgaria to move and have their own troops on their territory. And let NATO troops lodge in Brussels

            and let the Russian troops lodge in Moscow))
            1. mitroha
              mitroha 21 January 2022 18: 41
              +6
              Your position is clear. stop
            2. Charik
              Charik 23 January 2022 01: 49
              +1
              forgot to ask you
          2. Arkadich
            Arkadich 21 January 2022 19: 33
            +2
            They joined the alliance, they gave the go-ahead for the deployment of troops, this is their sovereign decision, we can express dissatisfaction, turn on diplomatic and economic levers, but demand this is too much. You rented a room legally, the tenant lives here, a neighbor is declared and demands his eviction, only on the basis of his wishes.
            1. Achilles
              Achilles 21 January 2022 21: 13
              +8
              Quote: Arkadich
              They joined the alliance, they gave the go-ahead for the deployment of troops, this is their sovereign decision, we can express dissatisfaction, turn on diplomatic and economic levers, but demand this is too much. You rented a room legally, the tenant lives here, a neighbor is declared and demands his eviction, only on the basis of his wishes.

              You are absolutely wrong. You gave an example from everyday life, I can also say that if this tenant poses a threat to my safety (the safety of the whole house), I have the right to demand that he be evicted. So it is with NATO, NATO troops (missile launchers) are deployed near the borders of Russia, this is a direct threat to our existence and it is impossible to build someone's security to the detriment of Russia's security, which is why Russia proposes to create collective security. Russia, as soon as it receives a written refusal, the second stage of the plan will already be activated. And we will witness this.
              1. Arkadich
                Arkadich 21 January 2022 21: 34
                +2
                I agree that they pose a threat to you, but the question remains how you are going to prohibit sovereign countries from joining the blocs and alliances they need and deploying their troops on their territory. As soon as our ultimatum was sounded, Finland immediately declared that her neutrality is only her business, and no one can tell her to join NATO or not.
          3. Ingvar 72
            Ingvar 72 21 January 2022 19: 42
            0
            Quote: Mitroha
            And let NATO troops lodge in Brussels

            What is some kind of nonsense. Any state has the right to join any unions. These are in NATO. According to all international laws, they are in their own right.
            And in order to dictate anything to them, you need to do it from a position of strength. What we do not have, because our economy is more than half dependent on imports.
            1. mitroha
              mitroha 21 January 2022 19: 48
              -5
              Quote: Ingvar 72
              According to all international laws, they are in their own right.

              If we are talking about the security of my country, I personally, as its citizen, do not care about "international laws", just like those who unilaterally withdrew from all, practically, agreements. What are the laws then?
            2. Achilles
              Achilles 21 January 2022 21: 19
              -2
              Quote: Ingvar 72
              What is some kind of nonsense. Any state has the right to join any unions. These are in NATO. According to all international laws, they are in their own right.
              And in order to dictate anything to them, you need to do it from a position of strength. What we do not have, because our economy is more than half dependent on imports.

              You are such a naive "Chukotka" guy. Just, if Russia began to speak like that, then there is a basis and confidence in the future, but you don’t understand this, it’s easier for you to believe in the collapse and decline of Russia, time will put everything in its place.
              1. Ingvar 72
                Ingvar 72 22 January 2022 06: 45
                +1
                Quote: Achilles
                Just, if Russia began to say so, then there is a basis and confidence in the future

                Yes, yes, I just have to continue to believe in your Zaputin fairy tales that have been heard for more than 20 years. laughing
            3. poquello
              poquello 21 January 2022 22: 27
              +1
              Quote: Ingvar 72
              And in order to dictate anything to them, you need to do it from a position of strength. What we do not have, because our economy is more than half dependent on imports.

              nonsense is what you write here all the time, from imports - this is not from imports from the USA and not from imports of resources
              Quote: Ingvar 72
              Any state has the right to join any unions

              well, you understand who will be in the CSTO tomorrow, and already, as in 62m, you can’t rewind back
              1. Ingvar 72
                Ingvar 72 22 January 2022 06: 43
                -2
                Quote: poquello
                this is not from US imports and not from resource imports

                The seed fund is more than 70% dependent, and this is mainly the EU.
                If we analyze the structure of all imports, then more than 50% of these will be countries of the US zone of influence.
                Quote: poquello
                well, you understand who will be in the CSTO tomorrow, and already, as in 62m, you can’t rewind back

                I didn't understand anything, you don't have to decide for me. And if this is a thick allusion to China, then I can’t imagine more nonsense.
                1. poquello
                  poquello 23 January 2022 03: 54
                  -1
                  Quote: Ingvar 72
                  The seed fund is more than 70% dependent, and this is mainly the EU.
                  If we analyze the structure of all imports, then more than 50% of these will be countries of the US zone of influence.

                  yes, don’t carry this nonsense of yours, business in these “influences” puts on all these sanctions as best it can, dodges but puts it, because it’s not his business, his business is to trade
                  Quote: Ingvar 72
                  I didn't understand anything, don't decide for me

                  happens, what do you decide? ))))))))))))))))))
                  at 62 there was a Caribbean crisis
      3. lis-ik
        lis-ik 21 January 2022 18: 08
        0
        Quote: Borik
        Ultimatums Funnier and funnier.


        And what's so funny??? Everything on the case offers Lavrov.

        The funny thing is that these are empty threats and demands. Designed for domestic consumption.
      4. ak1978
        ak1978 21 January 2022 21: 39
        -3
        I forbid your guests to be in your apartment! On business?
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      2. neurostimulator
        neurostimulator 21 January 2022 16: 55
        +1
        You would be in the negotiators, and you are given minuses here. It would be nice to save the LNR and the DNR from the war, even if for this you have to fight ...
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    5. Emergency
      Emergency 21 January 2022 16: 33
      +2
      In a week, you'll be laughing. Or they will send the "square" to Donbass from a warm sofa to defend. So do your best.
    6. Orel
      Orel 21 January 2022 16: 49
      -19
      Quote from Citisen
      Ultimatums Funnier and funnier.
      What will happen in a week?


      Negotiations between Lavrov and Blinken ended ahead of schedule. RIA Novosti reports. Everything became clear. Now either Putin will show how ready he is to shoot our people in the leg and implement all the threats, or he will be considered an inadequate senile who is not responsible for his words.
      1. Pandiurin
        Pandiurin 21 January 2022 17: 05
        +11
        Quote: Orel
        Quote from Citisen
        Ultimatums Funnier and funnier.
        What will happen in a week?


        Negotiations between Lavrov and Blinken ended ahead of schedule. RIA Novosti reports. Everything became clear. Now either Putin will show how ready he is to shoot our people in the leg and implement all the threats, or he will be considered an inadequate senile who is not responsible for his words.


        From the very beginning, to our proposals on paper, we demanded from the United States the same answer on all points on paper. It is possible that they did not particularly believe in the progress in the negotiations, that it would be possible to achieve all our demands from the USA and NATO. Blinken said that they would provide such an answer next week. We want this answer to be published.

        Obviously, after that, our hands will be untied for some kind of action, but what exactly will be done is unknown.

        Biden cannot, and it was clear in principle before the negotiations, to make serious concessions to Russia,
        even the Democrats will not support him, the Republicans even more so. If the treaty, then it must be ratified in Congress. Congress is a supporter of a tough "dialogue" with Russia without compromise, in the form of ultimatums on what Russia should do.

        Therefore, the purpose of the negotiations was to state one's position, to get an answer to it, and then some actions should follow ....
        1. Orel
          Orel 21 January 2022 17: 12
          -24
          Quote: Pandiurin
          Obviously, after that, our hands will be untied for some kind of action, but what exactly will be done is unknown.


          What will we do? "Voronezh will be bombed. As always, we will shoot our people in the foot and make them become even poorer, for the sake of the authorities, which" protect us from the threat of NATO "
          1. Vasily Chernyshev
            Vasily Chernyshev 21 January 2022 17: 49
            +15
            That's real, from your "Voronezh" - it's already sick ... It's not really possible to come up with anything new? negative
            1. Orel
              Orel 21 January 2022 17: 52
              -19
              Quote: Vasily Chernyshev
              That's real, from your "Voronezh" - it's already sick ... It's not really possible to come up with anything new?


              I would be glad, only unfortunately, in any resolution of this crisis, losses are inevitable. All options are bad.
              1. Vasily Chernyshev
                Vasily Chernyshev 21 January 2022 18: 16
                +9
                Bad options and losses are possible. But what does "bomb Voronezh" have to do with it? It smacks of these slang ... whatever they are ... Well, potheads or those who love Russia from behind a hillock ... fool
                1. Ingvar 72
                  Ingvar 72 21 January 2022 18: 52
                  -6
                  Quote: Vasily Chernyshev
                  But what does "bomb Voronezh" have to do with it?

                  Have you heard this joke? belay The interests of "our" elite are so bogged down in the West that in this apparent confrontation they are not able to present anything to the West at all.
                  1. Vasily Chernyshev
                    Vasily Chernyshev 21 January 2022 19: 37
                    +6
                    This meme is 14 years old already.. And to mention it anyway... Sorry.... fool
                    1. Ingvar 72
                      Ingvar 72 21 January 2022 19: 49
                      -2
                      Quote: Vasily Chernyshev
                      This meme is 14 years old already..

                      But it is still relevant today. It is enough to look at Solovyov's new villa (as an example) in Italy. Finally, there are two. Although a couple of years ago, the Zaputins here, foaming at the mouth, proved that this was a lie, and Solovyov did not have villas in Italy.
                      To a heap is another example of postponing the entry into force of the ban on foreign citizenship for officials.
                      For a real confrontation, it is necessary that our powers that be completely break off property and civil relations with the West, including family members.
                      1. poquello
                        poquello 21 January 2022 22: 38
                        -3
                        Quote: Ingvar 72
                        For a real confrontation, it is necessary that our powers that be completely break off property and civil relations with the West

                        think with old clichés, the world is in the trend of integration, and the USA is pissing against the wind on their trousers
                      2. Ingvar 72
                        Ingvar 72 22 January 2022 06: 48
                        -2
                        Quote: poquello
                        think with old clichés, the world is in the trend of integration

                        Integration of whom and where? belay What does the USA have to do with it? fool Pseudo-authoritative nonsense is not worth writing. Integration is only "our" elite.
                      3. poquello
                        poquello 23 January 2022 03: 43
                        -3
                        Quote: Ingvar 72
                        Quote: poquello
                        think with old clichés, the world is in the trend of integration

                        Integration of whom and where? belay What does the USA have to do with it? fool Pseudo-authoritative nonsense is not worth writing. Integration is only "our" elite.

                        pseudo-authoritative nonsense is your creed, smoke multinational corporations and localization of production, although judging by our past dialogue it will not help you
                      4. Ingvar 72
                        Ingvar 72 23 January 2022 06: 46
                        +2
                        Quote: poquello
                        production localization

                        Which of our companies have localized production in China and the EU? fool
                      5. poquello
                        poquello 23 January 2022 12: 46
                        -2
                        Quote: Ingvar 72
                        Quote: poquello
                        production localization

                        Which of our companies have localized production in China and the EU? fool

                        as always too lazy to raise your ass? bison, interskol, sigma, most household components with electronic boards
                      6. Ingvar 72
                        Ingvar 72 23 January 2022 13: 12
                        -1
                        Quote: poquello

                        as always too lazy to raise your ass?

                        It looks like you are too lazy to turn your head on. There is only our name, because. trademark is registered with us. Development(!) and production in China. You don't want to think, or you can't. wink
                        The question was as follows - which of our companies localized production in China, and did not order development and production in China.
                        Do you understand what localization is? Here, we collect foreign cars in the localization mode.
                      7. poquello
                        poquello 23 January 2022 14: 27
                        0
                        Quote: Ingvar 72
                        There is only our name, because. trademark is registered with us. Development(!) and production in China.

                        how everything is running for you, for example, a bison produces pliers (he really wasn’t interested in their localization, it may well be at our factories), they were probably developed for a very long time (!)
                        Quote: Ingvar 72
                        The question was as follows - which of our companies localized production in China, and did not order development and production in China.
                        Do you understand what localization is? Here, we collect foreign cars in the localization mode.

                        etit, the same Aries produces some of its components in China, for those who are especially aware of localization - the designer develops the device, draws the boards, counts, and then they look for where to place production and assembly, there are domestic enterprises with two production factories, one in Russia, the other in China - now I'll guess where the localization is and is it correct in your opinion or not correct)))))))))))))))))))))
                      8. Ingvar 72
                        Ingvar 72 23 January 2022 16: 01
                        0
                        Yes of course. I have a friend who is engaged in furniture, ordered accessories in China under his own brand. Great localization! good
                        P.S. To find out where the pliers are made, just go to the All Tools website, and there you can see where the brand’s homeland is and where the production is. wink
                      9. poquello
                        poquello 23 January 2022 16: 47
                        -1
                        Quote: Ingvar 72
                        Yes of course. I have a friend who is engaged in furniture, ordered accessories in China under his own brand. Great localization!

                        This is an example? Yes?
                        https://productcenter.ru/producers/catalog-miebielnaia-furnitura-159
                      10. Ingvar 72
                        Ingvar 72 23 January 2022 17: 40
                        0
                        To you as to a giraffe. lol
                        I gave an example, and did not speak for all the fittings. fool
                      11. poquello
                        poquello 23 January 2022 17: 53
                        -1
                        Quote: Ingvar 72
                        I gave an example, and did not speak for all the fittings.

                        so why did you give an example? my friends ordered grenade lanterns at factories according to their drawings from their legal entity, and whose lanterns are these? really factories? it was more convenient for your acquaintance to order in China, just
                      12. Ingvar 72
                        Ingvar 72 23 January 2022 18: 58
                        0
                        You are confusing terms of reference with technical documentation when talking about drawings.
                      13. poquello
                        poquello 24 January 2022 17: 43
                        -1
                        Quote: Ingvar 72
                        You are confusing terms of reference with technical documentation when talking about drawings.

                        it doesn’t matter, the end product is his, in fact, we returned to the old conversation about bayactars
                      14. Ingvar 72
                        Ingvar 72 24 January 2022 17: 59
                        0
                        Quote: poquello
                        it doesn't matter the end product of it,

                        It is important. For without technical documentation in the event of a conflict with China, you will make telephones like Old Man Hotabych. Remember? wink
                      15. poquello
                        poquello 24 January 2022 18: 48
                        0
                        Quote: Ingvar 72
                        Quote: poquello
                        it doesn't matter the end product of it,

                        It is important. For without technical documentation in the event of a conflict with China, you will make telephones like Old Man Hotabych. Remember? wink

                        what are you talking about? I'm talking about whose accessories, etc.)
                      16. Ingvar 72
                        Ingvar 72 24 January 2022 18: 50
                        -1
                        Quote: poquello
                        I'm talking about whose accessories, etc.)

                        Actually, you already talked about grenade lights .... laughing
                      17. poquello
                        poquello 24 January 2022 18: 52
                        0
                        Quote: Ingvar 72
                        Quote: poquello
                        I'm talking about whose accessories, etc.)

                        Actually, you already talked about grenade lights .... laughing

                        very interesting, then where
                        Quote: Ingvar 72
                        You are confusing terms of reference with technical documentation when talking about drawings.

                        ?
                      18. Ingvar 72
                        Ingvar 72 24 January 2022 20: 56
                        0
                        Quote: poquello
                        very interesting, then where

                        You are a really difficult patient! In the place where you talked about
                        Quote: poquello
                        my friends ordered at factories according to their drawings from its legal entity grenade lights,
                        These drawings are the terms of reference, which describes the shape, the desired parameters and attachment points on the barrel. And that's it! Working technical documentation is developed by the Chinese on the spot. The customer has nothing to do with the development of the electronic part of the flashlight. And this is not localization, this is an order by parameters.
                        Well, I'm tired of you. Interpret as you wish. Blown away, fell down. I bet - I leave it to your imagination.
                      19. poquello
                        poquello 25 January 2022 18: 26
                        0
                        Quote: Ingvar 72
                        Quote: poquello
                        very interesting, then where

                        You are a really difficult patient! In the place where you talked about
                        Quote: poquello
                        my friends ordered at factories according to their drawings from its legal entity grenade lights,
                        These drawings are the terms of reference, which describes the shape, the desired parameters and attachment points on the barrel. And that's it! Working technical documentation is developed by the Chinese on the spot.

                        very interesting, and what will be in the technical documentation? )))))))))))))) in your opinion
                        Quote: Ingvar 72
                        The customer has nothing to do with the development of the electronic part of the flashlight.

                        thought of it yourself)))))))))
                        and this one, the drawings are present both in the technical specification and in the TD,) "I ask you to make the part in accordance with the TD"
            2. poquello
              poquello 21 January 2022 22: 32
              0
              Quote: Vasily Chernyshev
              That's real, from your "Voronezh" - it's already sick ... It's not really possible to come up with anything new? negative

              well, he has one city in his training manual, well, excuse him
            3. vasiliysxx
              vasiliysxx 22 January 2022 09: 08
              +1
              He still shoots his leg in every post belay
          2. Pandiurin
            Pandiurin 21 January 2022 18: 27
            +4
            Quote: Orel
            Quote: Pandiurin
            Obviously, after that, our hands will be untied for some kind of action, but what exactly will be done is unknown.


            What will we do? "Voronezh will be bombed. As always, we will shoot our people in the foot and make them become even poorer, for the sake of the authorities, which" protect us from the threat of NATO "


            You seem to have already been bombed in the head)
            even the Ministry of Foreign Affairs does not know what exactly will be done and most likely specific actions will depend on the specific situation.

            Maybe it will calm you down a bit, most likely the EU will not refuse gas purchases, which means there will be tax revenue to the budget, most likely there will not even be a cutoff from swift, but there is also bad news, mobile phones with the stub emblem may be banned from sale.
            1. Orel
              Orel 21 January 2022 20: 18
              -11
              Quote: Pandiurin
              Maybe it will calm you down a bit, most likely the EU will not refuse gas purchases, which means there will be tax revenue to the budget, most likely there will not even be a cutoff from swift, but there is also bad news, mobile phones with the stub emblem may be banned from sale.


              Another remark. Because of the exchange rate of the ruble against the dollar 110, all of us and you, too, will immediately become poorer by about 40 percent.
        2. Achilles
          Achilles 21 January 2022 21: 26
          +7
          Quote: Pandiurin
          From the very beginning, to our proposals on paper, we demanded from the United States the same answer on all points on paper. It is possible that they did not particularly believe in the progress in the negotiations, that it would be possible to achieve all our demands from the USA and NATO. Blinken said that they would provide such an answer next week. We want this answer to be published.

          Obviously, after that, our hands will be untied for some kind of action, but what exactly will be done is unknown.

          Biden cannot, and it was clear in principle before the negotiations, to make serious concessions to Russia,
          even the Democrats will not support him, the Republicans even more so. If the treaty, then it must be ratified in Congress. Congress is a supporter of a tough "dialogue" with Russia without compromise, in the form of ultimatums on what Russia should do.

          Therefore, the purpose of the negotiations was to state one's position, to get an answer to it, and then some actions should follow ....

          You are absolutely right, the first part of the plan is to state your position and receive a written refusal, and we will soon find out the second part of the plan, by this time we will have a free hand, but here in the OV it does not reach many.
      2. Xnumx vis
        Xnumx vis 21 January 2022 17: 12
        +4
        Quote: Orel
        . Now either Putin will show how ready he is to shoot to our people in leg
        Dear American Eagle, where is your people, who is this? Who are you to crucify yourself on behalf of the Great Russian people. Where did you come from? Ashdod, krizhopel, seattle?
        1. Orel
          Orel 21 January 2022 18: 11
          -5
          Quote: 30 vis
          Dear American Eagle, where is your people, who is this? Who are you to crucify yourself on behalf of the Great Russian people. Where did you come from? Ashdod, kryzhopel, seattle?


          There have already been hints of threats based on nationality. Go on. To be "the most patriotic" is it necessary to be rude and hint at nationality ???)))) Then you need to apply to the RNU or go to the Limonovites)))
          1. Xnumx vis
            Xnumx vis 21 January 2022 19: 34
            +1
            Quote: Orel
            To be "the most patriotic" is it necessary to be rude and hint at nationality ???))))

            Not at all. I understand who you are, where you are, why you are. And now it’s even clearer where you are from and your nationality. I can't understand why you are so embarrassed...
            1. Orel
              Orel 21 January 2022 19: 53
              -10
              Quote: 30 vis
              Not at all. I understand who you are, where you are, why you are. And now it’s even clearer where you are from and your nationality. Why are you so embarrassed, I can't understand.


              Is it so important? Ask, I will answer you. It's just very strange that in multinational Russia, which, according to the official authorities, is fighting fascism in Ukraine, suddenly the issue of nationality of those who disagree with something becomes so important. We are fighting fascism and are very interested in the nationality of those who disagree, somehow everything turns out very stupidly. And this is not the first time, after all, it is precisely those who are obviously on the side of the pro-government position that have been asked about nationality. With whom will you behave or something?) Well, it's stupid, don't you think?
              1. Xnumx vis
                Xnumx vis 22 January 2022 09: 10
                -3
                So, why can't you directly answer the question? National feature question for question ? You are a nice strange person, hostile to the Russian people, that's why I ask. Don't be ashamed of your roots. Do not be shy about pouring shit on Russia, the country should know its heroes.
      3. bk316
        bk316 21 January 2022 17: 42
        -2
        shoot our people

        TO YOUR YOUR PEOPLE. Not Russian.
        Well, do not shoot, but whip and not a leg laughing
        Sometimes it is helpful, although painful.
        How the French, Germans, Crimean Tatars were flogged...
        Now it's time for your 404, but what can you do, the position of a hat-cutter, like a medal, has two sides.
        1. Orel
          Orel 21 January 2022 18: 14
          -11
          Quote: bk316
          TO YOUR YOUR PEOPLE. Not Russian.
          Well, do not shoot, but whip and not a leg
          Sometimes it is helpful, although painful.
          How the French, Germans, Crimean Tatars were flogged...
          Now it's time for your 404, but what can you do, the position of a hat-cutter, like a medal, has two sides.


          It is ordinary people who pay for the ambitions of top management. I admire that you are ready to put all your body parts under attack for this. For this I gave you a plus ;)
          1. bk316
            bk316 21 January 2022 18: 29
            +10
            Ordinary people have to pay for the ambitions of top management

            What the hell ambition?
            Conduct 3 surveys in ANY sufficiently large group.
            1. Should we protect the LDNR, if it’s impossible otherwise, then by military force.
            2. Does the NATO advance pose a serious threat. And we must prevent this somehow.
            3. Should we oppose the deployment of NATO strike weapons in Ukraine.

            The answer will be an unequivocal yes-yes-yes. So this is not the ambition of the leadership, but the demand of the people. And it's good that even in foreign policy, even just now, the leadership has heard these demands. As they say, better late than never, the main thing is not too late.
            1. Orel
              Orel 21 January 2022 18: 35
              -18
              Quote: bk316
              The answer will be an unequivocal yes-yes-yes. So this is not the ambition of the leadership, but the demand of the people. And it's good that even in foreign policy, even just now, the leadership has heard these demands. As they say, better late than never, the main thing is not too late.


              Of course it will, I'm sure. In the context of a complete purge of alternative opinion on public television and the overwhelming dominance of the state media, this is not surprising. It is enough for the authorities to give rations to the people so that they do not live very well (after all, they need a lot, and they live well, they begin to demand political rights when problems with buying food disappear). Therefore, it is important that this delicate balance is maintained and the system works. If you explain to people how this or that step will affect their well-being, that they will become poorer in the end, but they will be able to help, then I think the ratio will no longer be so unambiguous. "Otherwise, we are all kind, as long as it does not concern our interests, our pocket, so to speak" - Kalina Krasnaya (Shukshin)
              1. bk316
                bk316 21 January 2022 18: 40
                +11
                In the context of a complete sweep of the alternative opinion

                Yes, there was NEVER FOR THESE QUESTIONS alternative opinion. am
                Well, that is, maybe it was in the 90s, but our "partners" quickly showed that only imbeciles and mercenaries could have an alternative opinion on this issue. And I forgot among the cave Russophobes, you know, there is bestial anti-Semitism, and there is cave Russophobia. But even a caveman Russophobe will never believe that a missile defense system should be installed in Romania to protect the United States from Iran belay
                If you explain to people how this or that step will affect their welfare,

                You're not Russian, are you?
                Again, you are stepping on the same rake that both Hitler and the impudent Saxons stepped on.
                Well, Russians do not respect prostitution.
                Well, do not lure us with lace panties ....
                Neighbors and shorts and "freedom" turned out, well, now everyone has a lesson in neither shorts nor freedom.
                The lesson is not about shorts, but about the fact that you don’t need to sell yourself for any gingerbread. This is not justified strategically.
                1. Orel
                  Orel 21 January 2022 19: 08
                  -13
                  Quote: bk316
                  You're not Russian, are you?


                  The increased attention to my nationality impresses, of course, but still strange. Anyway. If you mean "nation", then Russian, and if nationality, then it's hard to say for 5 generations there were many relatives of different peoples. Registers of births below the fifth knee could not be found yet, they are lost, but I continue to search;)
                2. Ryaruav
                  Ryaruav 21 January 2022 19: 59
                  +1
                  Dear Vladimir BK, did you ask the opinion of the Rotenbergs, the heroes of labor of the Millers?
                  1. bk316
                    bk316 24 January 2022 13: 23
                    -1
                    I am not familiar with Rottenberg and Miller.
                    And I asked Deribaska's opinion.
                    You see, unlike the United States, where the gap between the farmer and the investor has finally formed and it is insurmountable, in the USSR, especially in the 90s, everything was so mixed up that I had people from the Forbes list and people with big stars on shoulder straps in my acquaintances .. ...
                3. abrakadabre
                  abrakadabre 22 January 2022 08: 39
                  0
                  Well, Russians do not respect prostitution.
                  Well, do not lure us with lace panties ....
                  Neighbors and shorts and "freedom" turned out, well, now everyone has a lesson in neither shorts nor freedom.
                  The lesson is not about shorts, but about the fact that you don’t need to sell yourself for any gingerbread.
                  I recalled an incident from a single life:
                  I had a friend, looking at whom I wanted to hit. But knowing her better, there was no desire to expand the boundaries of communication for more than a beer to drink once a week. So, once, over a beer and talking about life, a phrase was heard from her: "I know my worth ...".
                  To which I replied that I basically have no price. This definition of "price" does not apply to me.
                  Why am I all this?
                  This is the difference in worldview between your opponent and you: your opponent knows his own worth ...
                4. 72jora72
                  72jora72 22 January 2022 08: 46
                  +3
                  You're not Russian, are you?
                  Can I give you a device for measuring skulls??
                  1. bk316
                    bk316 24 January 2022 13: 16
                    -1
                    Sergey, the mentality does not depend much on the shape of the skull, the worldview is even less. So no need for me. And in general, the person himself will best answer the question of his nationality, and genetic analysis is so from the evil one ....
                    So, about the worldview, the Fin from the Russian, and the German from the Greek differs radically in this sense. But the worldview of an American - from the point of view of the Russian is generally beyond. I'm not telling you from Soviet propaganda or, on the contrary, liberal ones - from my own experience.
                    1. 72jora72
                      72jora72 24 January 2022 13: 26
                      0
                      So, about the worldview, the Fin from the Russian, and the German from the Greek differs radically in this sense.
                      And I always thought that Russian this is not a nationality, but something more, it is a philosophy, worldview, education in the end ........
                      Usually foreigners who come to live in Russia become Russians in five years.
                      1. bk316
                        bk316 26 January 2022 14: 00
                        -1
                        And I always thought that Russian is not a nationality

                        Well, I’m talking about this, read the entire comment more carefully, do not rush into individual words.
                        I will say more, not only Russian but also Finn and French and Chinese is also
                        philosophy, worldview and mentality. That is, nationality is not a genetic title and not a line in the questionnaire, it is a philosophy, worldview and mentality and upbringing and much more, and the genome, by the way, too, but not in the first place. So there is no need for Sergei to deny the Jews and the British what the Russians have.

                        That is why I asked Orel "and you're not Russian, are you?" since a categorically non-Russian maxim was sounded about the welfare of the Russian Lands and the price.
              2. mitroha
                mitroha 21 January 2022 19: 01
                0
                Quote: Orel
                In the context of a complete purge of alternative opinion on public television and the overwhelming dominance of the state media, this is not surprising. It is enough for the authorities to give rations to the people so that they do not live very well

                I'm glad, frankly. I am glad that you understand in your Ukraine what is happening in your country. And how your TV channels and media were cleaned up, we practically watched live. Now you have, as you say, complete dominance of the pro-Zelena channels
                1. Orel
                  Orel 21 January 2022 19: 04
                  -8
                  Quote: Mitroha
                  I'm glad, frankly. I am glad that you understand in your Ukraine what is happening in your country. And how your TV channels and media were cleaned up, we practically watched live


                  I live in Yekaterinburg. You will be with us, write in a personal, I do not mind a different opinion, discuss the future of Russia with pleasure. Whatever different opinions we have, our interest in this confirms that the fate of the country and people worries us and we are not indifferent. Therefore, I don’t have a negative for a different opinion, there is a negative only for insults and rudeness;)
                  1. bashkir
                    bashkir 21 January 2022 19: 35
                    +2
                    Most importantly, do not forget that you are from Yekaterinburg. And then in a month you suddenly find yourself from Novosibirsk, Kemerovo, Vladivostok or wherever else your fantasy will take you, hmm))
                    "... our interest in this confirms that the fate of the country and the people worries us and we are not indifferent ..."
                    Here it’s generally interesting, it’s like speaking on your own, and then expressing yourself in the plural ... Who are you ??? Are you the emperor of all Russia? You - does that mean you think of yourself in the plural? (then to be treated) Or, do you express the opinion of some group of people? Then what? Who are you?
                    1. Orel
                      Orel 21 January 2022 19: 55
                      -10
                      Quote: Bashkir
                      Most importantly, do not forget that you are from Yekaterinburg. And then in a month you suddenly find yourself from Novosibirsk, Kemerovo, Vladivostok or wherever else your fantasy will take you, hmm))


                      If you are from Uchaly, then I have been, not so far from us;)
                      1. bashkir
                        bashkir 21 January 2022 20: 09
                        +3
                        Five for geography. Indeed, we have Uchaly. But, I'm not from there. The republic is small, but I assure you, there are more than one settlements)))))
                      2. Orel
                        Orel 21 January 2022 20: 11
                        -7
                        Quote: Bashkir
                        Five for geography. Indeed, we have Uchaly. But, I'm not from there. The republic is small, but I assure you, there are more than one settlements)))))


                        I know, there is an excellent road to Beloretsk through the ridge, right mountains-mountains))) Beautiful)
                      3. Orel
                        Orel 21 January 2022 20: 13
                        -7
                        Quote: Bashkir
                        Five for geography. Indeed, we have Uchaly. But, I'm not from there. The republic is small, but I assure you, there are more than one settlements)))))


                        When we go to the "south" by car through Mesyagutovo on the M5, Yangan-tau source is a mandatory stop;)
                      4. bashkir
                        bashkir 21 January 2022 20: 17
                        +6
                        In a pancake, a rabid dog, 7 versts ... And why through Mesyagutovo on the M5? Through Miass faster
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                      6. Orel
                        Orel 21 January 2022 20: 37
                        -9
                        I beguiled, to Uchaly through Miass, of course, only for a long time to go around the city, always there (Kasli, Kyshtym Karabash), and to the "south" through Mesyagutovo. We rafted somehow along the Belaya you still have. Nice. Agidel, DDT is not alien to me. ;)
                      7. bashkir
                        bashkir 21 January 2022 21: 04
                        +5
                        I still didn't understand. Yes, the exit to Uchaly from Eburg through Miass is the most direct road. But) exit on the M5 for a trip to the "south" is also faster through Miass than through Mesyagutovo. Nafig shove along the albeit paved, but bad and tertiary road? Through Miass the road is closer and the road is better. Something like this(((
                      8. Orel
                        Orel 21 January 2022 21: 11
                        -9
                        Quote: Bashkir
                        Nafig shove along the albeit paved, but bad and tertiary road?


                        There is a normal road through the villages. Sazhino and all sorts of large Taurus and Russians have a small section of bad road, but this is not Bashkiria yet, and then it’s normal already, a rural idyll, parking lots for a snack, small, wooden, like gazebos, in each “districts” The traffic there is small, there are few trucks ;) Yes, and I don’t like the M5, the less I drive on it, the easier it is for me just)))
                      9. bashkir
                        bashkir 21 January 2022 21: 18
                        +4
                        Did you travel far south? And where did you leave the M5?
                      10. Orel
                        Orel 21 January 2022 21: 28
                        -8
                        Route Ufa, Samara, Saratov, Volgograd, Rostov-on-Don and then Taman, Sochi, Crimea. I was there back in 2013, it’s very funny that we then joked with the locals that you would soon be in Russia, I swear to God I’m not lying. And how it came out just a year later, such a fatal coincidence.
                      11. bashkir
                        bashkir 21 January 2022 21: 41
                        +4
                        Not a fatal coincidence)), but a natural sequence of events. Crimea-Russia is a natural course of events, taking into account geopolitical events.
                        And if you like to ride quiet paths, then I can tell you how to drive from Bashkiria to Crimea not along federal highways. Himself in the year 20 went to the federal highway only on the section Boguchar - Rostov-on-Don (M-4) and that's it. Further to Kerch goat trail. And then in the Crimea, of course, there are only two options: to Simferopol along Taurida or near Fiodosia along the coast to Yalta or further. By the way, the second option is the most ok for tourists, but experienced drivers)))
                      12. Orel
                        Orel 21 January 2022 21: 49
                        -8
                        Quote: Bashkir
                        near Fiodosia along the coast to Yalta or further. By the way, the second option is the most ok for tourists, but experienced drivers)))


                        I think it’s difficult there in the winter and in the off-season, in the summer you go great there. The road is good, the mountains, of course, serpentine, but especially if you don’t drive (on vacation), then it’s quite picturesque;)

                        Quote: Bashkir
                        Not a fatal coincidence)), but a natural sequence of events. Crimea-Russia is a natural course of events, taking into account geopolitical events.


                        Politics is such a policy. I still think that it could have worked "more thinly". To give money to the people of Kiev at that time, and at least for a lard of Baku rubles per person - they would have sold Crimea for a penny or given it away, they themselves would have explained to their people why they did it, and there would have been no sanctions and instructions of weapons on the Ukrainian military, whom they called brothers. In general, why remember now, what's done is done. Not a bag of potatoes, you don’t need to return it back, everything has already happened.
                      13. bashkir
                        bashkir 21 January 2022 22: 03
                        +1
                        "I think it's difficult there in the winter and in the off-season, in the summer you go great there. The road is good, the mountains, of course, are serpentine, but especially if you don't drive (on vacation), then it's quite picturesque;)"
                        It’s always picturesque there, and it’s good that tourists are only in summer, as a rule)

                        It is really difficult on mountain serpentines, even in summer, especially for vacationers. An attentive driver goes to rest, he is collected. Back, unfortunately, a tired driver goes and often overestimates himself. I am silent about other seasons, because I don’t know, but I think that the complexity increases in proportion to the problems of weather conditions.
                      14. Orel
                        Orel 21 January 2022 22: 06
                        -9
                        Quote: Bashkir
                        I am silent about other seasons, because I don’t know, but I think that the complexity increases in proportion to the problems of weather conditions.


                        When we were in Alushta, there is a huge mountain, thirty degrees, probably the rise on it, maybe less, of course, but very steep, without a handbrake you immediately roll away as soon as you take your foot off the brake pedal. I can't even imagine how the locals go there in winter)))
                      15. bashkir
                        bashkir 21 January 2022 22: 32
                        +2
                        I don't know about Alushta, but I lived in Yalta. We had a street (Basseinaya, the house is very close to the coast) with a slope of 30 degrees. I only left the yard down (although the signs allowed going up, to the nearest sign). But the streets are very narrow, the cars will not pass.
                        "I can't even imagine how the locals go there in winter)))"
                        Looks like a habit.)
                      16. Orel
                        Orel 21 January 2022 22: 36
                        -7
                        Quote: Bashkir
                        "I can't even imagine how the locals go there in winter)))"
                        Looks like a habit.)


                        A person gets used to everything, that's for sure;)
                      17. Ingvar 72
                        Ingvar 72 22 January 2022 06: 52
                        -4
                        Quote: Orel
                        I can't even imagine how the locals go there in winter

                        So they almost never have snow in winter.
                      18. bashkir
                        bashkir 21 January 2022 22: 07
                        +1
                        “Politics is such a policy. I still think that it was possible to “work thinner.” To give money to the Kiev people of that time, and at least a yard of Baku rubles per person - would they sell Crimea for a penny or give it away, they themselves would explain to their people why they did it and there would have been no sanctions, and there would have been no pointing of weapons at the Ukrainian military, who were called brothers. In general, why remember now, what's done is done. Not a bag of potatoes, you don't need to return it back, everything has already happened."
                        I think they did everything right. The money has already been given. 3 yards. Did not help. Now it's time for other actions
                      19. Orel
                        Orel 21 January 2022 22: 11
                        -9
                        Quote: Bashkir
                        I think they did everything right. The money has already been given. 3 yards. Did not help. Now it's time for other actions


                        So it is of course. The money is gone. I would only venture to suggest that, due to all the sanctions and other things, we have written down much more billions in the “lost profit” column than if we had bought the “holy trinity” from Kiev then. In general, you can’t turn back what has been done, we move on.
                      20. bashkir
                        bashkir 21 January 2022 22: 59
                        0
                        I also think that the money was lost when they tried to "buy" Yanykovich, but after that we acquired much more.
                        I will list: Crimea, LDNR, Syria, Kazakhstan and even Afghanistan (yes).
                        I'm sure they began to fight off their borders)
                      21. bashkir
                        bashkir 21 January 2022 21: 24
                        0
                        Yes, question. Taurus - where is it? Also on the road from Sazhino to Mesyagutovo?
                      22. bashkir
                        bashkir 21 January 2022 21: 25
                        +1
                        Taurus? Maybe?
                      23. Orel
                        Orel 21 January 2022 21: 26
                        -8
                        Quote: Bashkir
                        Yes, question. Taurus - where is it? Also on the road from Sazhino to Mesyagutovo?


                        Yes, villages. Big Tavra, Russian Tavra. But it's all sad. Ruin. And it seems that our regions are close, but such a difference. Your village is fine. In many of our villages, all houses are boarded up. So it goes. For some reason, they are moving out of our village more actively. Apparently they do not want to live in the countryside, because for this you still need a desire.
                      24. bashkir
                        bashkir 21 January 2022 23: 11
                        0
                        “Here it’s generally interesting, it’s like speaking on your own, and then expressing yourself in the plural ... Who are you ??? Are you the emperor of all Russia? the opinion of some group of people? Then which one? Who are you?"

                        Does the question still remain?
                  2. Xnumx vis
                    Xnumx vis 21 January 2022 19: 36
                    -2
                    Quote: Orel
                    I live in Yekaterinburg

                    The son of Lieutenant Schmidt ... from Ashdod.
                    1. Orel
                      Orel 21 January 2022 19: 57
                      -9
                      Quote: 30 vis
                      The son of Lieutenant Schmidt ... from Ashdod.


                      Rather, a sort of Don Quixote, swimming against the current and struggling with windmills. I know that I can't change anything. I'm not the media, private opinion. A drop in the sea.
                      1. Xnumx vis
                        Xnumx vis 22 January 2022 09: 12
                        -5
                        You are far from the fighter for the happiness of mankind, the naive and kind Don Quixote. You have selective outright enmity and hatred for Russia, the country, for the Russian people ...
            2. Ingvar 72
              Ingvar 72 21 January 2022 18: 56
              -6
              Quote: bk316
              1. Should we protect the LDNR, if it’s impossible otherwise, then by military force.

              To these questions, one more question arises - should we supply coal and oil products to Ukraine?
      4. ada
        ada 21 January 2022 20: 34
        +4
        Quote: Orel
        Quote from Citisen
        Ultimatums Funnier and funnier.
        What will happen in a week?


        Negotiations between Lavrov and Blinken ended ahead of schedule. RIA Novosti reports. Everything became clear. Now either Putin will show how ready he is shoot our people in the foot and implement all threats, or he will be considered an inadequate senile who is not responsible for his words.

        Funny doggy.
        Too late you realized. In the 90s, they shot all their legs, and then they planted them in their heads for reliability, and partners and sympathizers helped to hold the barrel from the side - well, in a friendly, comradely way. Now it's time to grow a new brain and get up from the stroller, learn to think and walk independently. A horse (or a horse, but like a horse).
    7. Orel
      Orel 21 January 2022 16: 52
      -27
      Quote from Citisen
      Ultimatums Funnier and funnier.
      What will happen in a week?


      In the photo for this news, it shines as if Lavrov has a "foil hat")))
      1. Xnumx vis
        Xnumx vis 21 January 2022 17: 13
        +3
        Quote: Orel
        Quote from Citisen
        Ultimatums Funnier and funnier.
        What will happen in a week?


        In the photo for this news, it shines as if Lavrov has a "foil hat")))

        Understood ! Ashdod.
    8. Lt. Air Force stock
      Lt. Air Force stock 21 January 2022 17: 04
      -3
      Quote from Citisen
      Ultimatums Funnier and funnier.
      What will happen in a week?

      What is the US hoping for? Well, they will accept Ukraine and Georgia into NATO, this is another step towards a nuclear war, since any incident can provoke it. The United States does not understand this, or has it decided to take it weakly?
      1. Orel
        Orel 21 January 2022 17: 13
        -16
        Quote: Lt. air force reserve
        this is another step towards nuclear war


        Do you really believe that our officials will allow themselves to live in a bunker and canned food instead of hanging out beautifully, even at least in Sochi???
        1. Lt. Air Force stock
          Lt. Air Force stock 21 January 2022 17: 22
          0
          Quote: Orel
          Do you really believe that our officials will allow themselves to live in a bunker and canned food instead of hanging out beautifully, even at least in Sochi???

          And what is their alternative? They will lose everything anyway, the United States is trying in every possible way to undermine the economy and military potential of Russia. With sanctions, they can already take everything away from Russian officials and oligarchs.
          1. Orel
            Orel 21 January 2022 17: 27
            -9
            Quote: Lt. air force reserve
            And what is their alternative? They will lose everything anyway, the United States is trying in every possible way to undermine the economy and military potential of Russia. With sanctions, they can already take everything away from Russian officials and oligarchs.


            You overestimate the selflessness and willingness of our elites to share hardships with the people.
            1. Lt. Air Force stock
              Lt. Air Force stock 21 January 2022 17: 32
              -2
              Quote: Orel
              You overestimate the selflessness and willingness of our elites to share hardships with the people.

              Well, look, the West is blocking the access of those small goods that our businessmen sell to the West with sanctions, forbidding them to invest in Western securities, and so on. You won't earn much money in the domestic market. Sooner or later, the money they have will run out, given the love of a luxurious life, incomes will fall and they will start to get poorer. They can also take away property in the West (if they classify Russia as a country financing terrorism, they are already writing about this in the West in order to include Russia in this list, for Russia this will mean an iron curtain, but not from the inside, as it was in the USSR, but from the outside). But Russia is not the USSR, we now do not have such autonomy to produce everything ourselves.
              1. Orel
                Orel 21 January 2022 17: 35
                -10
                Quote: Lt. air force reserve
                Sooner or later, the money they have will run out, given the love of a luxurious life, incomes will fall and they will start to get poorer.


                There is so much money there that it will last for several generations. Yes, and on their own people, they perfectly earn from our taxes with you on the necessary contracts with cheating.
                1. Lt. Air Force stock
                  Lt. Air Force stock 21 January 2022 17: 39
                  -1
                  Quote: Orel
                  There is so much money there that it will last for several generations.

                  Without an influx of capital, this will not be possible. The USSR sold oil and gas and earned currency on this. What will happen if we do not buy oil and gas? The USSR suffered huge losses from the fall in oil prices, but what will happen if the price of oil and gas drops to 0 (that is, they will no longer be bought in Russia)?
                  1. Orel
                    Orel 21 January 2022 17: 41
                    -11
                    Quote: Lt. air force reserve
                    The USSR suffered huge losses from the fall in oil prices, but what will happen if the price of oil and gas falls to 0 (then they will no longer be bought in Russia)?


                    Then we will become, in terms of the level of control over the people, approximately like North Korea, otherwise the power will not be retained. Rigid dictatorship or they will be demolished. The people can endure a lot if the authorities are cruel enough to them and there is a part of the people (siloviki) who are ready to tyrannize those who disagree, up to physical extermination. Such regimes can exist for decades, even without money and starving.
                  2. Ingvar 72
                    Ingvar 72 21 January 2022 19: 04
                    -6
                    Quote: Lt. air force reserve
                    The USSR sold oil and gas and earned currency on this.

                    Then let's remember what the money was spent on? They went to the maintenance of the socialist camp and to spread socialist ideas around the world. And this was usually done in debt, which for the most part wrote off a generous GDP.
                    And it was precisely the costs, combined with the arms race, that drove the USSR into an economic crisis that led to its collapse. If not for these two items of expenditure, no jumps in world oil prices would have led to a crisis. hi
                    1. Lt. Air Force stock
                      Lt. Air Force stock 21 January 2022 19: 11
                      +1
                      Quote: Ingvar 72
                      Then let's remember what the money was spent on? They went to the maintenance of the socialist camp and to spread socialist ideas around the world. And this was usually done in debt, which for the most part wrote off a generous GDP.
                      And it was precisely the costs, combined with the arms race, that drove the USSR into an economic crisis that led to its collapse. If not for these two items of expenditure, no jumps in world oil prices would have led to a crisis.

                      There is not only a social camp, but also friendly countries. You need to understand that the USSR bought the friendship of countries, and the United States, as a rule, intimidated or pressed economically. Social the camp was needed, if it were not for what it is now, the countries of Eastern Europe would be in NATO, but 50 years earlier.
                      Now, with regard to weapons, which were spent a lot of money, it's not so much weapons as not the right policy. There were many weapons of the same type, I remember General Varennikov said that at one time there were 18 types of torpedoes in service. Equipment with a small modernization potential was also designed. Here, the M2 Bradley or M1A2 Abrams are still being modernized, and our T-90M tank is actually the limit of the T-72 tank platform.
                      1. Ingvar 72
                        Ingvar 72 21 January 2022 19: 23
                        -8
                        Quote: Lt. air force reserve
                        and the US was usually intimidated or pressured economically.

                        Not always. They also bought, but it was much easier for them. because we had to sell resources for currency, and they simply printed them. request
                        By the way, it's the same today.
                        Quote: Lt. air force reserve
                        Social the camp was needed, if it were not for what it is now, the countries of Eastern Europe would be in NATO, but 50 years earlier.

                        Debatable. Many times less funds would have been spent on strengthening the borders, and the presence of a vigorous loaf would not have allowed external aggression to occur. Provocations yes, but no more.
                        Quote: Lt. air force reserve
                        I remember General Varennikov said that at one time there were 18 types of torpedoes in service.

                        On the one hand, you seem to be right, but on the other hand, does the jester know how a certain model will show itself in combat conditions? During the Second World War, we had several types of fighters. And as time has shown, it was the right decision.
                    2. Orel
                      Orel 21 January 2022 19: 19
                      -8
                      Quote: Ingvar 72
                      Then let's remember what the money was spent on? They went to the maintenance of the socialist camp and to spread socialist ideas around the world. And this was usually done in debt, which for the most part wrote off a generous GDP.
                      And it was precisely the costs, combined with the arms race, that drove the USSR into an economic crisis that led to its collapse. If not for these two items of expenditure, no jumps in world oil prices would have led to a crisis.


                      I agree here. This drained resources from the country, but the United States sponsored those who supported them no less and not only did not fall apart, but also developed and strengthened. Not armies are fighting, but economies. The decisive factor was the wrong model of the economy. Drive the plan, pretend that they are working, produce a lot of what is not needed (overproduction). All this led to shortages and backlog.

                      By the way, the example of the political system is interesting. Take Vietnam - the Communist Party is in power, but quite normal trade relations with the United States, although they seemed to be at war. The thing is that Vietnam does not threaten anyone, so no one around is afraid of it and does not seek protection from them in the face of the United States. US bases are where someone is afraid of another country and then they appear. Japan is afraid of China - the base. South Korea is afraid of the North - the base. Philippines to be afraid - China - base. Australia is afraid of China - the base. Persian Gulf - they are afraid of Iran - the base. In general, the list can be continued ad infinitum here.
                      1. Ingvar 72
                        Ingvar 72 21 January 2022 19: 25
                        -6
                        Quote: Orel
                        however, the United States sponsored those who supported them no less and not only did not fall apart,

                        So they printed dollars, and we paid the real price. hi
                      2. Orel
                        Orel 21 January 2022 19: 37
                        -6
                        Quote: Ingvar 72
                        So they printed dollars, and we paid the real price.


                        The Bretton Woods system helped. When most of the developed world was in ruins after World War II, all orders went to the United States and no one was opposed to abandoning gold and replacing it with the dollar. It was easier and guaranteed anyone, in the absence of a gold reserve, access to borrowed capital in the same US under bonds. This US-led system still suits everyone. Even China. It is unlikely that the CCP will want to zero out its trillions of dollars in order to harm the United States, they are not so suicidal and do not hate money so much, although they are communists)))
                      3. ada
                        ada 21 January 2022 23: 11
                        +1
                        Quote: Orel
                        Quote: Ingvar 72
                        So they printed dollars, and we paid the real price.


                        The Bretton Woods system helped. When most of the developed world was in ruins after World War II, all orders went to the United States and no one was opposed to abandoning gold and replacing it with the dollar. It was easier and guaranteed anyone, in the absence of a gold reserve, access to borrowed capital in the same US under bonds. This US-led system still suits everyone. ...)))


                        Tell stories to yourself at night. Helped... Who? Satisfied with... Whom?
                        The wolf took pity on the mare, ....
                        Economy. The momentary process of extracting and distributing an abstract resource that provides life for a person.
                        In fact, there is always struggle and war. To become "rich" it is necessary to make everyone around "poor" and preferably in varying degrees of poverty. And in order to be "rich", from the environment of "various degrees of poverty" you need to form and maintain a system of "different poverty", but, as it were, with "equal opportunities" and fish there. And, for this (according to the classics) - all means are good.
                        No, there has never been and never will be a natural phenomenon "economy" in the world, no matter how hard you try to attach patterns of phenomena to it, just as there is no such thing as "time". And, here are the "rulers" such a person invented and they are different for everyone. And you are trying to measure everyone's "development" with your own. Who made and graduated it, who made the alignment for it? Who is stronger - he is right? He is also a distributor of resources. The only community that challenged such a right was the peoples of the USSR, who created their own humanistic path of development, and in our opinion - life in justice. In fact, she was killed in an unequal struggle, but we still live largely by those rules. Do we need foreign distributors - the killers of our country? For what? To borrow from them the resource we are creating? What did the IVS say to the Bretonwoods?
              2. Looking for
                Looking for 21 January 2022 19: 41
                -1
                Quote: Lt. air force reserve
                But Russia is not the USSR, we now do not have such autonomy to produce everything ourselves.

                If we want to survive, we will learn to do everything.
            2. bk316
              bk316 21 January 2022 18: 36
              +1
              You overestimate the dedication and readiness of our elites

              How much do you know about our elites? Do you have many familiar generals, at least one minister, maybe 1st class advisers? Or do you consider the Makarevich labukhs and Benedict journalists or tongue-tied moose hunters to be the elite, well then, yes, they are not very ready with readiness. But thank God they don't make any decisions.
              1. Orel
                Orel 21 January 2022 18: 55
                -6
                Quote: bk316
                How much do you know about our elites?


                It is enough to look at the State Duma. After the statements that "this is not a place for discussion" and "without Putin there is no Russia," the level is already clear. 99 percent of laws are written in the presidential administration, which is not even a secret. Go to the website of the State Duma, a lot is indicated there, but I doubt that people have even visited it at least once. Putin's oligarchs, friends, relatives, millionaires and, in general, "very talented people who have achieved everything themselves." Yes, it makes sense to tell, you already know.

                Quote: bk316
                You have many familiar generals


                Here, by the way, I am of the opinion that there is an unspoken opposition and rejection of certain actions in the army. It is difficult to assess the scale, but there is a certain distrust in the authorities. From here they created the Praetorians - the Russian Guard. The army is not suitable for fighting the people, high moral principles, when you educate, then it is difficult to press the people with such baggage. And it’s easier to get into the Russian Guard, the standards are lower. There are also good people there, but I think on the fingers, because the standards and the training program are just for suppressing riots.

                Quote: bk316
                Benedict or tongue-tied moose hunters


                Only a fool believes that EchoMoscow is the "opposition". Founder of Radio Gazprom. Well, on the surface. They only say what they are allowed to and criticize at the level that is allowed. They will never be allowed to cross the border, they are as much a part of the system of control over the Russian people as the State Propaganda. Very talented people are doing all this in the presidential administration, they learned to control public opinion from the best political technologists, who have passed not a single election in the United States and Europe. In the first couple, foreign companies were engaged in PR of our president and quite successfully. Just appeared immediately went uphill. Then they grew up. After all, knowledge can be used with any sign, even a plus, even a minus.
                1. Ingvar 72
                  Ingvar 72 21 January 2022 19: 31
                  -4
                  Quote: Orel
                  99 percent of laws are written in the presidential administration, which is not even a secret. Go to the website of the State Duma, a lot is indicated there, but I doubt that people have even visited it at least once. Putin's oligarchs, friends, relatives, millionaires and, in general, "very talented people who have achieved everything themselves." Yes, it makes sense to tell, you already know.

                  Here, the other day, a deputy from the SR Nilov demanded a parliamentary investigation into why PCR tests at the price of their purchase by the state of 120-150 rubles. for citizens are 10 times more expensive. EdRosy did not support this idea. laughing In addition, it was funny to listen to the results of the parliamentary investigation (initiated by the Communist Party) on the topic of conflict of interest (corruption) Popova and Golikova, because. they themselves or through relatives receive cash from the purchase of vaccines.
                  1. Orel
                    Orel 21 January 2022 19: 43
                    -8
                    Quote: Ingvar 72
                    Here, the other day, a deputy from the SR Nilov demanded a parliamentary investigation into why PCR tests at the price of their purchase by the state of 120-150 rubles. for citizens are 10 times more expensive. EdRosy did not support this idea. In addition, it was funny to listen to the results of the parliamentary investigation (initiated by the Communist Party) on the topic of conflict of interest (corruption) Popova and Golikova, because. they themselves or through relatives receive cash from the purchase of vaccines.


                    We have a lot of interesting prices. Oil is getting cheaper - gasoline is getting more expensive (it is necessary to compensate for the shortfall in income). Oil is getting more expensive - gasoline is getting more expensive (so after all, the price of raw materials has increased)))))
                2. hohkn
                  hohkn 21 January 2022 19: 57
                  +3
                  Quote: Orel
                  From here they created the Praetorians - the Russian Guard. The army is not suitable for fighting the people, high moral principles, when you educate, then it is difficult to press the people with such baggage. And it’s easier to get into the Russian Guard, the standards are lower.

                  Well, try to get into the Russian Guard. I'm not talking about the former internal troops, but the same OMON, SOBR. I doubt you will pass the test.
                  In your opinion, are there stupid performers, and they were created specifically to fight the people? Yeah. And the National Guard, if you develop your judgment, began to be created in 1988 (OMON) and in 1993 (SOBR)? And precisely to fight the people?
                  Quote: Orel
                  There are also good people there, but I think on the fingers, because the standards and the training program are just for suppressing riots.

                  Everything is clear with you...
                  1. Orel
                    Orel 21 January 2022 20: 56
                    -6
                    Quote: hohkn
                    Well, try to get into the Russian Guard. I'm not talking about the former internal troops, but the same OMON, SOBR. I doubt you will pass the test.
                    In your opinion, are there stupid performers, and they were created specifically to fight the people? Yeah. And the National Guard, if you develop your judgment, began to be created in 1988 (OMON) and in 1993 (SOBR)? And precisely to fight the people?


                    Didn't mean to offend you or anyone. Of course, this is my oversimplified opinion. Everything is always more difficult. However, if we consider the appointment of the National Guard, then this is work with the population, with the people. Criminals or not, these are relative questions. If people take to the streets, it’s not the army that will disperse them, and the corresponding exercises at the Russian Guard are regularly held. I haven't seen the police in my yard for years. When the car was stolen, I saw it. They came for a day. But if a few people with a poster come out, then a whole brigade comes there. It's not by chance.
            3. Looking for
              Looking for 21 January 2022 19: 38
              -1
              Quote: Orel
              You overestimate the selflessness and willingness of our elites to share hardships with the people.

              under certain conditions, no one will ask their consent.
        2. Looking for
          Looking for 21 January 2022 19: 34
          -1
          and guess what, you have to try.
    9. Cananecat
      Cananecat 21 January 2022 17: 18
      0
      Quote from Citisen
      What will happen in a week?

      The same as a week ago, Ukraine will continue beg excess supplies of gas and weapons.
    10. Stena
      Stena 21 January 2022 17: 26
      +1
      Quote from Citisen
      Ultimatums Funnier and funnier.
      What will happen in a week?

    11. sniperino
      sniperino 21 January 2022 17: 40
      -2
      Quote from Citisen
      Ultimatums Funnier and funnier.
      What will happen in a week?
      Aboutaxislaugh.
    12. Insurrection
      Insurrection 21 January 2022 17: 41
      +3
      Ultimatum? What ultimatum?
      Oh, you are talking about this ... yes, it’s just that the Russians and the Chinese decided to build a canal in Nicaragua, an analogue of the Panama one. Well, for this, I had to place some weapons there, well, nothing special, mostly tactical.
      1. bk316
        bk316 21 January 2022 18: 38
        +2
        The channel is also a good thing, and tactical weapons, if nuclear, are very good to have there.
    13. ioan-e
      ioan-e 21 January 2022 18: 09
      +3
      Quote from Citisen
      Ultimatums Funnier and funnier.
      What will happen in a week?

      Don't forget to laugh when you put out the hut with the barn!
    14. venik
      venik 22 January 2022 00: 52
      -2
      Quote from Citisen
      What will happen in a week?

      ======
      What will happen? Wangyu: a certain "GrazBanin" will disappear from the site .... And thank God - the loss is not great .....
  2. VORON538
    VORON538 21 January 2022 16: 20
    +8
    Russia deploys its weapons on its territory. The Americans are at the borders of Russia on the territory of their sixes. Who is the aggressor ??? to Russia.
    1. The leader of the Redskins
      The leader of the Redskins 21 January 2022 16: 23
      +4
      The aggressor will be the one who crosses the border of another state without the consent of the latter.
      1. VORON538
        VORON538 21 January 2022 16: 26
        +27
        Yugoslavia, Iraq, Libya, Vietnam, Afghanistan, Syria and others, did they send invitation cards to the Americans?
        1. The leader of the Redskins
          The leader of the Redskins 21 January 2022 16: 28
          +14
          Yes, in the examples given, the Americans are the aggressors. But the location of their troops in Bulgaria and Romania is not. All according to contracts.
          1. VORON538
            VORON538 21 January 2022 16: 34
            +13
            It is enough to bring pro-American politicians to power, since the dollar is being printed. And consent at the government level is ensured. And with those who did not agree, the conversation is short. The list above has been seen, it can only be supplemented. worried about the "leading aggressor" of the world, but they can’t even squeak, because the Americans will impose sanctions. Here America is introducing it against Russia. And Crimea doesn’t bother America, they will compose for Kaliningrad.
            1. Alex Nevs
              Alex Nevs 21 January 2022 16: 40
              +1
              COUPS "democratic" ....! Coups. And the elections are criminal.
            2. www3
              www3 21 January 2022 17: 45
              -3
              Quote: VORON538
              It is enough to bring pro-American politicians to power, since the dollar is being printed. And consent at the government level is ensured

              and what prevents Russia from printing so many rubles to buy any government???
          2. Gardener91
            Gardener91 21 January 2022 16: 35
            +3
            Quote: Leader of the Redskins
            But the location of their troops in Bulgaria and Romania is not. All according to contracts.

            So that's what we're talking about: Against the security of states at the expense of the threat of neighboring ones.
          3. Cron
            Cron 21 January 2022 18: 08
            +1
            Quote: Leader of the Redskins
            But the location of their troops in Bulgaria and Romania is not. All according to contracts.

            And if, according to the agreements in Cuba and Venezuela? Why is the reaction different?
      2. Lt. Air Force stock
        Lt. Air Force stock 21 January 2022 17: 05
        +1
        Quote: Leader of the Redskins
        The aggressor will be the one who crosses the border of another state without the consent of the latter.

        And the deployment of weapons, missile defense, etc. on the border with Russia is not an act of aggression, which is designed to devalue Russian weapons?
        1. www3
          www3 21 January 2022 17: 46
          -7
          Quote: Lt. Air Force stock
          Quote: Leader of the Redskins
          The aggressor will be the one who crosses the border of another state without the consent of the latter.

          And the deployment of weapons, missile defense, etc. on the border with Russia is not an act of aggression, which is designed to devalue Russian weapons?

          The Baltic states are already so many in NATO that they are only now so excited ??))
          1. Lt. Air Force stock
            Lt. Air Force stock 21 January 2022 17: 50
            +3
            Quote: www3
            The Baltic states are already so many in NATO that they are only now so excited ??))

            The Baltics do not have a long border with Russia, the entry of these countries into NATO required a build-up of military potential in Kaliningrad and on the western borders. Ukraine is closer to Russia than the Baltic states (Moscow, central part), it will take a lot of money to strengthen weapons in the southern region. As well as huge funds for the development of means of overcoming missile defense (ABM will be closer to the borders of Russia and, as a result, less time to intercept).
            1. www3
              www3 21 January 2022 18: 07
              -5
              Quote: Lt. Air Force stock
              Quote: www3
              The Baltic states are already so many in NATO that they are only now so excited ??))

              The Baltics do not have a long border with Russia, the entry of these countries into NATO required a build-up of military potential in Kaliningrad and on the western borders.


              I understood you))
              it turns out that romania and bulgaria found common borders with russia))
              keep watching, we will contact you))
              1. Lt. Air Force stock
                Lt. Air Force stock 21 January 2022 18: 08
                +1
                Quote: www3
                I understood you))
                it turns out that romania and bulgaria found common borders with russia))
                keep watching, we will contact you))

                I did not write anything about Bulgaria and Romania.
                1. www3
                  www3 21 January 2022 18: 09
                  -7
                  Quote: Lt. Air Force stock
                  Quote: www3
                  I understood you))
                  it turns out that romania and bulgaria found common borders with russia))
                  keep watching, we will contact you))

                  I did not write anything about Bulgaria and Romania.


                  so the article is generally not talking about the Baltic states)
                  1. Lt. Air Force stock
                    Lt. Air Force stock 21 January 2022 18: 13
                    0
                    Quote: www3
                    so the article is generally not talking about the Baltic states)

                    I'm not sure that they were included in the list of requirements in all seriousness, rather as a bargaining chip so that they could eventually be abandoned, but other requirements could be negotiated.
                    1. www3
                      www3 21 January 2022 18: 16
                      -8
                      Quote: Lt. Air Force stock
                      Quote: www3
                      so the article is generally not talking about the Baltic states)

                      I'm not sure that they were included in the list of requirements in all seriousness, rather as a bargaining chip so that they could eventually be abandoned, but other requirements could be negotiated.

                      that is, in your opinion - laurels are such parsley, blurted out so that people can amuse? ))
                      1. Lt. Air Force stock
                        Lt. Air Force stock 21 January 2022 18: 20
                        +4
                        Quote: www3
                        that is, in your opinion - laurels are such parsley, blurted out so that people can amuse? ))

                        Negotiations are a delicate process, sometimes you have to include in the requirements a clause from which it is initially clear that you will have to refuse. Politicians also need to bargain for something so as not to seem weak in front of their electorate.
                        That is, if US politicians fulfill all the points of our requirements, they will be eaten alive in their own country. They will not agree to this, and ours most likely understand this.
                      2. www3
                        www3 21 January 2022 18: 23
                        -8
                        Quote: Lt. Air Force stock
                        Quote: www3
                        that is, in your opinion - laurels are such parsley, blurted out so that people can amuse? ))

                        Negotiations are a delicate process, sometimes you have to include in the requirements a clause from which it is initially clear that you will have to refuse. Politicians also need to bargain for something so as not to seem weak in front of their electorate.
                        That is, if the United States fulfills all the points of our requirements, they will be eaten alive in their own country. They will not agree to this, and ours most likely understand this.

                        as I understand it, you are more concerned about what will happen to politicians in their own country than the fact that the head of the Foreign Ministry declares enchanting nonsense?))
                      3. Lt. Air Force stock
                        Lt. Air Force stock 21 January 2022 18: 26
                        +2
                        Quote: www3
                        as I understand it, you are more concerned about what will happen to politicians in their own country than the fact that the head of the Foreign Ministry declares enchanting nonsense?))

                        No, I'm trying to explain to you how our people are trying to achieve what we need. What's the point in demanding the impossible in advance and driving the enemy into a corner? It is easier to direct the negotiations in the direction in which we need to, without driving the opponent into a corner, all the more clear that it is important for the Americans, first of all, to save face in front of their own.
                      4. www3
                        www3 21 January 2022 18: 28
                        -7
                        Quote: Lt. Air Force stock
                        Quote: www3
                        as I understand it, you are more concerned about what will happen to politicians in their own country than the fact that the head of the Foreign Ministry declares enchanting nonsense?))

                        No, I'm trying to explain to you how our people are trying to achieve what we need. What's the point in demanding the impossible in advance and driving the enemy into a corner? It is easier to direct the negotiations in the direction in which we need to, without driving the opponent into a corner, all the more clear that it is important for the Americans, first of all, to save face in front of their own.

                        I realized!!! you are a big fan of HPP!
                        that is, is it a feasible requirement to demand the withdrawal of a contingent from Romania and Bulgaria ???
                      5. Lt. Air Force stock
                        Lt. Air Force stock 21 January 2022 18: 33
                        +1
                        Quote: www3
                        that is, is it a feasible requirement to demand the withdrawal of a contingent from Romania and Bulgaria ???

                        Bulgaria and Romania are NATO members, the US has withdrawn from the ABM treaty. So it's foolish to hope that they will remove the missile defense system. Moreover, they accuse us with the Iskander K missile of violating the agreement on intermediate and shorter-range missiles. Ideologically, they will put pressure on what they have the right to do. Only the deployment of missiles in Cuba will help here, at one time the USSR deployed missiles in Cuba so that the United States would remove Jupiter missiles from Turkey, it was a kind of exchange. This is a dangerous game and Russia is unlikely to play it.
                      6. Pandiurin
                        Pandiurin 21 January 2022 18: 42
                        +2
                        Quote: www3
                        Quote: Lt. Air Force stock
                        Quote: www3
                        so the article is generally not talking about the Baltic states)

                        I'm not sure that they were included in the list of requirements in all seriousness, rather as a bargaining chip so that they could eventually be abandoned, but other requirements could be negotiated.

                        that is, in your opinion - laurels are such parsley, blurted out so that people can amuse? ))


                        In principle, if the Baltic states do not have NATO infrastructure, strike weapons, airspace will not be used for NATO military aviation flights, etc.
                        That from NATO in the Baltic States will remain one name.
                        From a military point of view, these territories have a defense potential of 120 minutes or 360, it is difficult to say exactly, but not much.
            2. Ingvar 72
              Ingvar 72 21 January 2022 19: 10
              -3
              Quote: Lt. Air Force stock
              Quote: www3
              The Baltic states are already so many in NATO that they are only now so excited ??))

              The Baltics do not have a long border with Russia, the entry of these countries into NATO required a build-up of military potential in Kaliningrad and on the western borders. Ukraine is closer to Russia than the Baltic states (Moscow, central part), it will take a lot of money to strengthen weapons in the southern region. As well as huge funds for the development of means of overcoming missile defense (ABM will be closer to the borders of Russia and, as a result, less time to intercept).

              Quote: Lt. air force reserve
              The Baltics do not have a long border with Russia

              1000 km is not so little.
        2. DymOk_v_dYmke
          DymOk_v_dYmke 21 January 2022 17: 56
          -2
          Quote: Lt. air force reserve
          And the deployment of weapons, missile defense, etc. on the border with Russia is not an act of aggression, which is designed to devalue Russian weapons?

          If it were not possible to use it as an offensive one, and even without the knowledge of the countries of deployment, there would be no questions.
      3. Cananecat
        Cananecat 21 January 2022 17: 19
        -3
        A subtle allusion to the recognition of the Novorossi republics? ))
    2. Zoldat_A
      Zoldat_A 21 January 2022 16: 36
      +7
      Quote: VORON538
      Bllinken as a representative of the states is a conflict of interest, because he is a descendant of those "offended" by the Soviet government, which means a priori (highly like) he has a grudge against Russia.

      His great-grandfather left the Russian Empire in 1904, from Boryspil. Judging by the time and place, he fled from Jewish pogroms. So the Soviet government has nothing to do with it. But it is not known why he is so drowning for the power of anti-Semites and nationalists in Ukraine, from whom his great-grandfather fled.
      1. VORON538
        VORON538 21 January 2022 16: 40
        0
        Apparently, they piled hard on the ancestors, you see, there was something for it. And he drowns because he doesn’t care in what way and with whose hands to make war with Russia. I forgot the biography of this ... blinkin.
      2. Hiroo Onoda
        Hiroo Onoda 21 January 2022 17: 27
        -4
        Quote: Zoldat_A
        the power of anti-Semites

        Are you serious about the power of anti-Semites? Have you seen Zelensky in profile? Do you know Rima's mother's maiden name? )
        1. sniperino
          sniperino 21 January 2022 17: 59
          +1
          Quote: Hiroo Onoda
          Are you serious about the power of anti-Semites? Have you seen Zelensky in profile?
          Are you serious about Zelensky's power in Ukraine? So only children believe that the main circus is a clown.
        2. Zoldat_A
          Zoldat_A 21 January 2022 19: 19
          +5
          Quote: Hiroo Onoda
          Have you seen Zelensky in profile? Do you know Rima's mother's maiden name? )

          Are you serious that a Jew cannot be an anti-Semite? I will not enumerate, I will waste time, examples from our and world history.
          And further. It is very convenient to say: "We have a Jewish president, what kind of anti-Semites are we?" And at the same time, look how he is afraid of the same national battalions, how he fawns over them. As for their anti-Semitism, I think no one has any illusions.
          And about the anti-Semitism of the national heroes of Ukraine, their "ideological banners" - Bandera, Shukhevych and other evil spirits. Also, I think no one will suspect them of a special love for the Jews.

          Not for Jews, not for anti-Semites. Because everyone has the same right to life. Himself, as far as there is enough knowledge about the ancestors (about 200 years) - from the Volga, if cho.
      3. DymOk_v_dYmke
        DymOk_v_dYmke 21 January 2022 18: 00
        +2
        Quote: Zoldat_A
        But it is not known why he is so drowning for the power of anti-Semites and nationalists in Ukraine, from whom his great-grandfather fled.

        Because anti-Semitism is a tool in the hands of the Semites. yes
  3. Anachoret
    Anachoret 21 January 2022 16: 21
    +1
    As NATO practice shows) it is dangerous to leave the system in Romania, because the locals can “steal it along with the fence” at any time)) and then look for the wind and the field from the technology))
    So mattresses need to be put in the head and such a variant of danger)))
    1. neurostimulator
      neurostimulator 21 January 2022 16: 58
      -1
      But what about the joke about how the Romanians went across the border and fell into a trap?
  4. Aaron Zawi
    Aaron Zawi 21 January 2022 16: 21
    -9

    There are no other words. laughing
    1. sniperino
      sniperino 21 January 2022 18: 06
      0
      Quote: Aron Zaavi
      There are no other words.
      Did Shenderovich bring these words ("powerfully pushed") to Israel with "Dolls"? It seems to inspire from there ...
      1. Aaron Zawi
        Aaron Zawi 21 January 2022 18: 19
        -6
        Quote: sniperino
        Quote: Aron Zaavi
        There are no other words.
        Did Shenderovich bring these words ("powerfully pushed") to Israel with "Dolls"? It seems to inspire from there ...

        Swam-know. tongue
        1. aszzz888
          aszzz888 22 January 2022 02: 26
          +2

          Aron Zaawi (Aron)
          Yesterday, 18: 19
          ... We swam, we know. tongue
          In a barrel.... tongue
  5. Asad
    Asad 21 January 2022 16: 22
    +10
    Nobody expected a big result from this meeting. Let's wait for the meeting of the heads of state. I really hope that all this hemorrhoids are not in vain!
    1. neurostimulator
      neurostimulator 21 January 2022 16: 59
      0
      Support.
    2. dauria
      dauria 21 January 2022 22: 57
      0
      I really hope that all this hemorrhoids are not in vain!

      Certainly not in vain!. laughing Do you know what's in the photo? Wave float generator. Electricity out of nowhere. Much more efficient than windmills, 4 kW per ton of iron. One trouble - without excitement does not work. If I were the US and Russian governments, I would oblige the foreign ministers from time to time to "drive the wave", scaring the planet with ultimatums. Look at how much money people have earned on the Internet since the end of December "from scratch". wassat
  6. Novichek
    Novichek 21 January 2022 16: 23
    +3
    Well pobozali, so what? Promising does not mean getting married ... Remind me how many years Britain "opened a second front" during the Second World War? Already these people know how to "dynamize" professionally and with special cenism
  7. spirit
    spirit 21 January 2022 16: 23
    0
    and also implies the complete withdrawal of foreign NATO military contingents from the territory of Bulgaria and Romania.

    Without options, and everyone understands this.
    1. Ashes of Claes
      Ashes of Claes 21 January 2022 16: 46
      -3
      Quote: spirit
      Without options

      Seriously? But the fact that? In general, any ultimatum demands should imply specific sanctions in case of non-acceptance
      Quote: spirit
      and everyone understands it.

      Who are these "all"?
      1. neurostimulator
        neurostimulator 21 January 2022 17: 03
        +2
        "Everyone" is, for example, me too. Tell me, do you really hope on this site to get an idea of ​​​​the possible countermeasures of Russia, in case of ignoring its requirements, or did you just mix up the accounts?
        1. Ashes of Claes
          Ashes of Claes 21 January 2022 17: 44
          -2
          Quote: Neurostimulator
          Or did you just mix up accounts?

          It's funny that this is written by a registered user yesterday)
          Quote: Neurostimulator
          Tell me, do you really hope on this site to get an idea of ​​\uXNUMXb\uXNUMXbthe possible countermeasures of Russia

          no, of course not. VO, basically, in this particular topic, pleases the audience with the bravura fantasies of its few, but ideologically sustained, authors about "Iskanders in Serbia", "bases in Venezuela", "return to Cuba", "NATO, collect your belongings" and sleeping at the bottom Atlantic "Poseidons" waiting for the signal from the Commander-in-Chief about the beginning of Judgment Day. Because, as the commenter above put it -
          Quote: spirit
          Without options

          In general, sic transit gloria NATO. Amen.
          1. neurostimulator
            neurostimulator 21 January 2022 18: 47
            -6
            I'm not confusing accounts, but you are confused)) the rest of your conclusions also .. do not correspond to reality.
            1. Ashes of Claes
              Ashes of Claes 21 January 2022 19: 32
              -5
              Quote: Neurostimulator
              I don't confuse accounts

              Congratulations. And what does it mean?
              Quote: Neurostimulator
              the rest of your conclusions, too .. do not correspond to reality.

              Whatever they are, I have a right to them. I do not dispute your right to your personal perception of reality. Perceive. Just don't think it's the only true one.
              It's all. Thank you.
              1. neurostimulator
                neurostimulator 21 January 2022 19: 34
                -2
                Until we meet again on the air.
    2. Keyser soze
      Keyser soze 21 January 2022 17: 35
      -10
      and also implies the complete withdrawal of foreign NATO military contingents from the territory of Bulgaria and Romania.

      Without options, and everyone understands this.


      If Lavrov had sobered up, he would have known that there are no NATO bases in Bulgaria. Not only NATO troops are also training with us, but also, as an example of Serbia, with tanks and fighters. And with whom our army conducts exercises, this is not Lavrov's business and this is interference in the internal affairs of a sovereign country.

      As always, Russia's policy is like the arrival of drunken elephants in a china shop. This is how people in Eastern Europe become ardent supporters of NATO. We need to really think about it and let American bases into the country, otherwise the hour is uneven and Lavrov's delirium will turn into reality.
      1. tantalum
        tantalum 21 January 2022 18: 57
        +3
        Do not remind me in what year Russia, like an elephant in a china shop, kicked out the Turks and created your Bulgaria and Romania? Well, as for the bases of the Americans, don’t be so upset later. Twice your meanness and betrayal were forgiven, I think after the third time there will be no one to forgive.
      2. mitroha
        mitroha 21 January 2022 19: 22
        +3
        Quote: Keyser Soze
        We need to really think and let

        You are professional Bulgarians, I’m not thinking about it, but letting it go .. maybe it’s worth it to “sober up” too?
      3. anjey
        anjey 21 January 2022 19: 23
        +7
        Do not just demagogy, who went to meet your deceitful West with real constructive and open intentions?
        He united both Germanys, withdrew his troops from the Western socialist countries and disbanded the Warsaw Pact bloc, withdrew troops from Afghanistan, and the result was new corrupt pro-Western ruling elites - terry nationalists and Russophobes under the cover of American and NATO tanks near our borders.
        You (Europe) do not understand good, only Strength, once again you will run into the skins of corrupt sixes and Anglo-Saxon mongrels, along with the "owners".
  8. ser-pov
    ser-pov 21 January 2022 16: 24
    +6
    [quote] [During the meeting, Sergey Lavrov presented Russia's unequivocal position on the issue of NATO's military presence in Eastern Europe. The head of the Russian Foreign Ministry pointed out that Moscow's position clearly implies non-acceptance of the former Soviet republics into the alliance, and also implies the complete withdrawal of foreign (NATO) military contingents from the territory of Bulgaria and Romania./quote]
    I didn’t understand why only Romania and Bulgaria .. In Poland, they need to demolish their missile defense systems and remove the contingents from there .. Moreover, the contingent is stationed near the Tribal Tigers. Let everyone fall in a crowd ..
    1. Gardener91
      Gardener91 21 January 2022 16: 39
      +1
      Quote: ser-pov
      I didn’t understand why only Romania and Bulgaria .. In Poland, they need to demolish their missile defense system and remove the contingents from there ..

      Poland for a snack. NATO's main eastern crap. There is Belarus with Father's cockroaches.
    2. Ashes of Claes
      Ashes of Claes 21 January 2022 16: 50
      0
      Yes, to demand to dissolve this NATO to a crazy hair dryer, why rub on trifles? So that once again Lavrov does not go to Switzerland. laughing
    3. neurostimulator
      neurostimulator 21 January 2022 17: 09
      -3
      Let everyone fall in a crowd ..

      It would be nice, but, to be honest, everything is so neglected ... Now you can’t throw these toads into the pan right away, they will, apparently, boil them gradually.
      1. Ashes of Claes
        Ashes of Claes 21 January 2022 17: 30
        -3
        Quote: Neurostimulator
        you can’t immediately throw them into the pan, they will apparently boil gradually.

        for some reason I remembered how soldier Ivan Shadrin with a teapot along the Smolny in search of boiling water fornicated. Thank you, Comrade Lenin suggested.
  9. svp67
    svp67 21 January 2022 16: 24
    +10
    and also implies the complete withdrawal of foreign NATO military contingents from the territory of Bulgaria and Romania.
    Why only from there? That the missile defense area in Romania is more dangerous than the same one in Poland? And what about the foreign contingents in the Baltics?
    1. Zoldat_A
      Zoldat_A 21 January 2022 16: 43
      +12
      Quote: svp67
      That the missile defense area in Romania is more dangerous than the same one in Poland? And what about the foreign contingents in the Baltics?

      I had never looked before, now I appreciated the American "it's not against it, it's against Iran." From this village in Romania to Tehran 2440 something, to Rostov and Krasnodar - plus or minus 1200 kilometers. From Poland, which is also "not against you, but against Iran", the distance, I think, is even more fun.

      The Americans either hold us for id..io..tov, who do not know how to look at the map, or for the same as themselves, like the "average American". You can look at the map, but you can’t understand what is where.
      1. svp67
        svp67 21 January 2022 19: 46
        +6
        Quote: Zoldat_A
        I had never looked before, now I appreciated the American "it's not against it, it's against Iran."

        I was especially touched by how a few years ago on this site, the notorious "professor" "foaming at the mouth" proved that everything was exactly the way it was and that nothing threatened Russia ...
        1. Zoldat_A
          Zoldat_A 21 January 2022 20: 10
          +5
          Quote: svp67
          I was especially touched by how a few years ago on this site, not without a well-known "professor" "with foam at the mouth" proved that everything was exactly the way it was and that nothing threatened Russia ...

          I remember The Professor. To be honest, I thought Israel had better geography than America. Yes, and Israel is not Ukraine - it does not usually repeat verbatim what the Big White Brother says.
          Perhaps the roots are to blame. Paraphrasing a famous joke

          - Young man, where are you from?
          - From Israel.
          - And from where to Israel?
    2. Mountain shooter
      Mountain shooter 21 January 2022 16: 48
      +3
      Quote: svp67
      Why only from there? That the missile defense area in Romania is more dangerous than the same one in Poland? And what about foreign contingents in the Baltics

      So Poland and the Baltic States have already been written off wassat And Romania is not yet.
  10. Egoza
    Egoza 21 January 2022 16: 25
    +3
    Blame everything on grandpa. Let it blow!
    1. Ashes of Claes
      Ashes of Claes 21 January 2022 16: 52
      -5
      Quote: Egoza
      Blame everything on grandpa. Let it blow!

      Lavrov and Putin are actually almost the same age.
      1. Egoza
        Egoza 21 January 2022 17: 10
        +2
        Quote: Ashes of Klaas
        Lavrov and Putin are actually almost the same age.

        So I meant Biden!
        Blinken said that US President Joe Biden is ready to personally meet with Vladimir Putin if this will help resolve the crisis.
    2. www3
      www3 21 January 2022 17: 50
      -6
      Quote: Egoza
      Blame everything on grandpa. Let it blow!


      grandpa is old, he doesn't care anymore))
      1. Ashes of Claes
        Ashes of Claes 21 January 2022 18: 41
        -7
        Quote: www3
        grandpa is old, he doesn't care anymore))

        norms, grandfather threatens to crawl for the next election.
        And so everything is under control - a defibrillator is built into the nuclear suitcase. So that if the engine stops from excitement at "hour H", then ......
  11. Citisen
    Citisen 21 January 2022 16: 26
    -15
    Quote: marchcat
    Looks like the specific steps of the United States and NATO, nothing will come of it, everything will "sink" in the negotiations.

    NATO does not care about all these ultimatums.
    They look especially funny knowing that the children of Lavrov, Ryabkov live in the USA and do business there.
    Like thousands of other children of our nobility. Not to mention the exported capital.
    The degree rises and rises.
    Someone is trying to save their face.
    Although Biden and NATO have long ago put an end to I.
    But this Someone is very proud and does not understand that he is already in zugzwang.
    Feverish, fussy movements resembling agony.
    1. VORON538
      VORON538 21 January 2022 17: 09
      +7
      What kind of business do the children of Lavrov and Ryabkov run in the United States? Do they live there now? Is there evidence for 2022? Is this happening now? Preferably with proof. )))
      1. www3
        www3 21 January 2022 17: 53
        -6
        Quote: VORON538
        At the same time, for comparison, tell us about the children of Poroshenko, about Yatsenyuk, about Zelensky, how they plow in Ukraine :)))

        I knew you were a Ukrainian! ))
  12. anjey
    anjey 21 January 2022 16: 27
    +3
    Give, unreasonable "white-headed vultures" from behind a puddle, the whole world to hold the Olympics in Beijing in peace.
    In sports arenas, ride your prowess, show a pancake, unfinished cowboys. There will be Yankees and Power on you on this Earth.
  13. Citisen
    Citisen 21 January 2022 16: 27
    -24
    Quote: VORON538
    Russia deploys its weapons on its territory. The Americans are at the borders of Russia on the territory of their sixes. Who is the aggressor ??? to Russia.

    NO ONE. There is no aggression.
    Russia is violating agreements on informing partners about the movement of troops and the purpose of the movement.
    1. VORON538
      VORON538 21 January 2022 17: 04
      +10
      Tell the inhabitants of Libya, Syria, Afghanistan, Yugoslavia, Vietnam and others about the absence of aggression by your masters, whom the Americans "democratized". Russia has the right to deploy its troops anywhere on its territory. your face is just an opinion, on which nothing in this world depends.
    2. K-50
      K-50 21 January 2022 17: 21
      +5
      Quote from Citisen
      Russia is violating agreements on informing partners about the movement of troops and the purpose of the movement.

      And the face will not crack to report to you? belay laughing
      one might think that before moving, NATO troops report where, how much, why and with what forces they are moving. fool
      So why do you want to hear it from others? especially since the troops are moving across the territory of Russia!!! fool
      Go through the woods, banderlogs! angry
    3. alexey sidykin
      alexey sidykin 21 January 2022 17: 26
      +6
      Quote from Citisen
      Quote: VORON538
      Russia deploys its weapons on its territory. The Americans are at the borders of Russia on the territory of their sixes. Who is the aggressor ??? to Russia.

      NO ONE. There is no aggression.
      Russia is violating agreements on informing partners about the movement of troops and the purpose of the movement.

      With what fright would someone have to report what we are doing at home. Better go buy buckwheat with sugar and salt until everyone is snapped up ...
    4. Looking for
      Looking for 21 January 2022 19: 55
      +1
      I wonder how much your (Ukrainian) special services pay you?
  14. fa2998
    fa2998 21 January 2022 16: 28
    +1
    I wanted to remind Lavrov that such an ultimatum is interference in the internal affairs of sovereign countries = Romania and Bulgaria. If the rules are the same for everyone, then why are our troops in Kazakhstan and Armenia and Syria THEN WHY can’t NATO be present in the member countries of the bloc? to keep their allies, and now NATO and the State Department are to blame! hi
    1. Sanichsan
      Sanichsan 21 January 2022 17: 18
      +2
      Quote: fa2998
      I wanted to remind Lavrov that such an ultimatum is interference in the internal affairs of sovereign countries = Romania and Bulgaria.

      Yes. these are the rules of international relations and we did not establish these rules. it's just that now we also play by these rules request if you don't like something, we'll bring democracy wink
    2. K-50
      K-50 21 January 2022 17: 24
      +2
      Blinken said that US President Joe Biden is ready to personally meet with Vladimir Putin if this will help resolve the crisis.

      This is how Lavrov answered this question at the conference. They were busy, harnessed. Now I have to go, so they gave me an ultimatum.
      So you like it or not, but the adversaries will have to reckon with this. yes lol
    3. Cron
      Cron 21 January 2022 18: 20
      0
      Quote: fa2998
      I wanted to remind Lavrov that such an ultimatum is interference in the internal affairs of sovereign countries = Romania and Bulgaria. If the rules are the same for everyone, then why are our troops in Kazakhstan and Armenia and Syria THEN WHY can’t NATO be present in the member countries of the bloc? to keep their allies, and now NATO and the State Department are to blame!

      I would like to recall that the military intervention in the internal affairs of sovereign Cuba did not take place only because there was a danger of a nuclear missile landing on its head. A whole blockade was announced, blocking the movement of ships by warships. And now they threaten to give a decisive answer if something happens. But it's different, you need to understand

      You should at least read the basics before writing something. And I'm not talking about the Caribbean crisis ....
  15. prior
    prior 21 January 2022 16: 28
    +5
    Well, how can you agree on something if there is only soda on the tables ?! request
    1. Avior
      Avior 21 January 2022 17: 20
      0
      It's even worse without soda.
    2. DymOk_v_dYmke
      DymOk_v_dYmke 21 January 2022 18: 12
      -1
      Quote: prior
      Well, how can you agree on something if there is only soda on the tables ?!

      Also, drinking through a mask is not handy. yes
  16. Alien From
    Alien From 21 January 2022 16: 29
    0
    It is more promising to crush water in a mortar ...
  17. Basarev
    Basarev 21 January 2022 16: 30
    +6
    Should NATO continents leave Bulgaria and Romania? And how will Russia force it? And how will he be punished in case of non-compliance? Or, more globally: does Russia have any arguments at all or just empty words?
    1. Vadim237
      Vadim237 21 January 2022 16: 47
      +1
      Russia had to keep its spheres of influence there since the beginning of the 2000s and strengthen it every year, but in 2008 the authorities played as partners in our country, it was necessary to reach Tbilisi and in 2014 Maidan should be curtailed in Ukraine and there would be no problems like now. And now poznyak.
      1. Basarev
        Basarev 21 January 2022 16: 58
        -6
        Well, or vice versa, partner to the end, set a goal since the nineties - to meet the Copenhagen criteria - and not stop at anyone on this path: put the oligarchs under the knife, eradicate the telephone right and even give the regions money and real powers. To be adamant in the turnover and responsibility of power. And to interrupt the Eastern European offer, to do even less taxes, even more freedom for business... To intercept Western tranches from them. The ultimate goal is to enter the EU and NATO, leaving these worthless accustomers with a nose.
    2. Sanichsan
      Sanichsan 21 January 2022 17: 25
      -3
      Quote: Basarev
      And how will Russia force it?

      Well, for example, like Georgia. request
      well, or they will place the corresponding contingents near the United States. the benefit is already there.
    3. K-50
      K-50 21 January 2022 17: 26
      0
      Quote: Basarev
      Should NATO continents leave Bulgaria and Romania? And how will Russia force it? And how will he be punished in case of non-compliance? Or, more globally: does Russia have any arguments at all or just empty words?

      "Caribbean Crisis -2.0"
      They themselves fade, the question of price and conditions. yes
      1. Basarev
        Basarev 21 January 2022 17: 31
        0
        The Cuban Missile Crisis was not a victory. The States removed the missiles from Turkey, fact, but the States had many other places close to the Soviet border. But the USSR lost the only place where it was possible to get to the United States. And besides, in such a compromise solution, the huge Soviet economy and then still advanced industry played a big role. The states took this step because they respected an equal interlocutor. Now the situation is quite different.
        1. K-50
          K-50 21 January 2022 17: 41
          +2
          Quote: Basarev
          The Cuban Missile Crisis was not a victory.

          So no one is going to defeat anyone, but to come to a consensus, a compromise. But given the negative attitude of Russia to the current situation.
          1. Basarev
            Basarev 21 January 2022 17: 54
            +3
            But this is the most correct question. Is a compromise possible with such a huge inequality of sides? After all, from the West it looks (and in many ways, unfortunately, it is) as if another Somalia is outraged by the presence of colonizers. Of course, none of the white masters will take seriously the words of the natives.
  18. 1536
    1536 21 January 2022 16: 37
    +2
    A cowboy walks into a saloon, walks up to a pianist, and says, "Hey, one-eyed, play Chicago for me!" "I'm not one-eyed and I don't know how to play Chicago!" The cowboy punches the pianist in the eye. One-eyed pianist: "Chicago, Chicago, Chicago..."
    Somehow it is necessary to conduct negotiations today, otherwise they will not understand?
  19. ERsytype
    ERsytype 21 January 2022 16: 43
    -15
    According to the draft war between relatives should take place. For there is a desire to beat the Russian Federation, perhaps with their feet)
    1. Nexcom
      Nexcom 21 January 2022 16: 57
      -1
      Well, for example, our governor (Urals) publicly announced the creation of a stock of gas masks and padded jackets in case of war. Reserve.
      Yes, you heard right and this is not a joke.

      Looks like something really...
      1. NDR-791
        NDR-791 21 January 2022 17: 10
        +2
        Quote: Nexcom
        Well, for example, our governor publicly announced the creation of a stock of gas masks and padded jackets for co-war. Yes, you heard right.

        Well, if publicly ... I believe that the money is allocated for this, then I also believe that the family of the governor and even the mayor will receive a quilted jacket and a gas mask. And the fact that some kind of reserve will be created, sorry - I don’t believe request
        1. Nexcom
          Nexcom 21 January 2022 17: 14
          -2
          A reserve of 650 gas masks for adults, 50 for children, field kitchens, trucks, and fire engines has been announced. Probably exactly for the entire Ural bureaucratic public. The city is at least 1.5 million people, and here 650 +50 thousand people.
          1. NDR-791
            NDR-791 21 January 2022 17: 34
            0
            Quote: Nexcom
            The city has at least 1.5 million people, and here it is 650 +50 thousand people.

            That's what it's about. And most likely what was in the reserves, it was sold to the left in such quantities. And now they demanded to check the presence, report, restore. And then on the pope ata-ta.
    2. K-50
      K-50 21 January 2022 17: 27
      +2
      Quote: ERsytype
      According to the draft war between relatives should take place. For there is a desire to beat the Russian Federation, perhaps with their feet)

      And the legs will not be pulled out and they will not be nailed to the head? laughing laughing
    3. mitroha
      mitroha 21 January 2022 19: 35
      +2
      Quote: ERsytype
      According to the draft war between relatives should take place. For there is a desire to beat the Russian Federation, perhaps with their feet)

      Your whole head has already been beaten off, judging by the comment. condolences, heal
  20. Dikson
    Dikson 21 January 2022 16: 51
    0
    That is, Bulgaria and Romania,? But why didn’t they remember about the Baltic states and Poland?
    1. K-50
      K-50 21 January 2022 17: 28
      0
      Quote: Dikson
      That is, Bulgaria and Romania,? But why didn’t they remember about the Baltic states and Poland?

      They are in line. Not all at once.
      1. Dikson
        Dikson 21 January 2022 17: 46
        -4
        This is simply the most stupid of all excuses in the style of "a good mine in a bad game" .. - roll out obviously impossible demands on the opponent, so that when they refuse, stand in a proud pose and say: "We honestly tried to agree. But a constructive conversation did not work out." . What, are we going to bomb Romania now? No? Why was she mentioned at all then? Poland is being pumped up with NATO armored vehicles, and we are preoccupied with missiles c. Bulgaria .. or not with missiles, but simply decided to remember who put a spoke in the wheels of the Black Sea gas pipeline project?
        1. K-50
          K-50 21 January 2022 17: 50
          -2
          Quote: Dikson
          Poland is being pumped with NATO armored vehicles

          You remember the children's song. "... US tanks melt perfectly, and why did the factory release them?..."
          How much crap has Poland dumped on Russia? And she has to pay for it, a lot to pay. Well, Lavrov will announce the "price tag" after.
    2. DymOk_v_dYmke
      DymOk_v_dYmke 21 January 2022 18: 18
      -2
      Quote: Dikson
      That is, Bulgaria and Romania,? But why didn’t they remember about the Baltic states and Poland?

      These are the pawns to be exchanged.
      1. Dikson
        Dikson 22 January 2022 06: 07
        -3
        What was required to prove.. - The United States responded to our proposals. And they asked ... not to voice it ..)))) They answered in an unprintable way .. they sent letters to three ..? In general, again, a red felt-tip pen must be sought and squiggles drawn on the map ..
  21. JonnyT
    JonnyT 21 January 2022 16: 55
    -5
    an agreement on the disposal of ukrov and the release of space for the Jews from Israel, which will be demolished by Iran
  22. Osipov9391
    Osipov9391 21 January 2022 16: 55
    +4
    Well, the West will not go for it in the current conditions!
    Lavrov and the political leadership of Russia do not know the history of their country? It's not far at all, though.
    How could the mighty Soviet Union fail to persuade the Finns to move the border away from Leningrad and was forced to start a war? True, she did give results and the border of Germany's ally moved away from Leningrad. Even these facts from history do not want to be remembered! No one is going to leave just like that.

    The West is well aware of the state of affairs in Russian industry, economy, science and others.
    Almost complete dependence on electronics, drugs, medical equipment, passenger aircraft, cars.
    But the situation here is exactly what it should have been - you either fry the cutlets to the end as it should be, or don't fry them at all, having been talking useless for more than 30 years.
    They wanted the Olympics in Sochi and tens of billions of dollars for it - they got it.
    They wanted a football championship. Billions spent on stadiums, athletes and more.
    And now they started talking that passenger planes, their own cars, electronics, medicines are not being made in the country, that the population is already dying out at a wild pace.
    And where now to look for the guilty that it happened? Who will answer? Will we again sacrifice the lives of our soldiers and officers? And perhaps not only that.
    Without all this, it is impossible to ensure the country's defense capability! Where is the auto industry, where is the machine tool industry, where is the shipbuilding and civil aircraft industry?
    That's right, instead of it there are stadiums and sports facilities in which tens of billions of dollars burned down. At that time, the country could not build a third, but a fourth Rome and set an example for all of Europe. Then they would listen and respect.
  23. K-50
    K-50 21 January 2022 17: 08
    -5
    Blinken said that US President Joe Biden is ready to personally meet with Vladimir Putin if this will help resolve the crisis.

    What's the point?
    The can is already so stupid that he blurts out everything that the assistants tell him. Even at a recent meeting on an Internet, ours was sitting alone, there was a whole party around the can. Therefore, it is useless to meet, it is also faster and easier in terms of ensuring the security of the heads of state to meet again via a computer.
    One side.
    With another.
    Why meet and discuss something, if all this turns into a simple talking shop, which does not lead to concrete steps at all on the agreements reached
    Meet to chat? And there's nothing else to do, is there? belay
    1. DymOk_v_dYmke
      DymOk_v_dYmke 21 January 2022 18: 26
      -2
      Quote: K-50
      Even at a recent meeting on an Internet, ours was sitting alone, there was a whole party around the can.

      And the reason for this was most likely COVID fear, and the support groups, I think, were equivalent.
  24. Knell wardenheart
    Knell wardenheart 21 January 2022 17: 11
    +5
    and also implies the complete withdrawal of foreign NATO military contingents from the territory of Bulgaria and Romania

    Mmm ... and if Bulgaria and Romania are against this? If they want to keep NATO contingents? I really like this approach to rhetoric - as if, in the worst traditions of colonialism, we divide countries into "what" and "what". The latter can not be called to negotiations and in general in every possible way portray that we have glass in front of us. The Romanian economy, by the way, takes a larger place in world GDP than Kazakhstan or Ukraine. The economy of Bulgaria is a bigger place than the economy of Belarus or Uzbekistan. So, pretending that these states do not mean anything, and that the fate of their security can be decided without them - then there is nothing to be surprised that when discussing the next European sanctions - their representatives will vote "for". For these states of Europe, our security is just as empty a phrase as for us is their security. They do not border us or even our allies.
    When launching this kind of rhetoric on the international stage, it is always worth thinking about the consequences - in this case, we are provoking the free states of the EU to an economic and political response.
  25. Peaceful SEO
    Peaceful SEO 21 January 2022 17: 14
    +5
    Quote: Orel
    Quote from Citisen
    Ultimatums Funnier and funnier.
    What will happen in a week?


    The negotiations between Lavrov and Blinken ended ahead of schedule. RIA Novosti reports. Everything became clear. Now either Putin will show how ready he is to shoot our people in the leg.

    Why should Putin shoot the people of Ukraine in the foot?
  26. TatarinSSSR
    TatarinSSSR 21 January 2022 17: 20
    +3
    In order to put forward such ultimatums to the USA and NATO, it is necessary to have a strong rear inside the country, a people united in the face of an external threat, ready for any hardships for the sake of victory and supporting power in the confrontation with the Busurman. Does the Kremlin have such support from the people? Yes, the people do not know at all what is happening and why these ultimatums at all, when on all state channels, programs and parades they said a million times that our nuclear shield will destroy the USA three times, but what about the USA, the whole World is in ruins! And all the adequate people understand that if this is so, then there is nothing to be afraid of, they want to live in America, and not turn into radioactive ashes. But ... Apparently something went wrong. Apparently, our vigorous missiles that break through any missile defense system are not enough to save daily billions from the sale of oil and gas in the world. This is hindered by NATO, which has pinned us to the wall. For 0 years it hasn't stuck. And then it stuck. Unexpectedly for the Kremlin. And so suddenly, such ultimatums. Reminds me of a man with a grenade, who was locked up in a windowless room with 20 leading opponents, who have both grenades and sticks, and who want to beat him, but he presses into a corner and demands to move away, otherwise I will blow everyone up ... I really I wonder what will be written in March by those who are now scribbling about the victorious checkmate and checkmate of the Kremlin, which came up with all this bravura haze with ultimatums by preparing a specific answer in advance that will put the West and the United States in the pose of a begging bum, begging for forgiveness.
    1. mitroha
      mitroha 21 January 2022 19: 39
      +2
      Quote: TatarinSSSR
      Yes, people do not know at all what is happening and why these ultimatums at all, when on all state channels
      If you are not in the know, then this is your sadness, no one authorized you to speak for the people
    2. Osipov9391
      Osipov9391 21 January 2022 23: 46
      +2
      Do you know who else owns thermal power plants in Russia? Chubais legacy.
      And how much money do Western energy companies earn in Russia by inflating prices and investing nothing in the modernization of their usually Soviet-era facilities?
      Maybe it's time to put an end to this?
      And who owns AvtoVAZ, Sberbank, etc.?
      Until the authorities squeeze this fifth column out of the country and show the people that now that's all - they are not here, nothing will change!
      Although in response to the sanctions it was high time to do so.
  27. Wildcat
    Wildcat 21 January 2022 17: 23
    +1
    laughing
    "The Russian Foreign Minister pointed out that Moscow's position unequivocally implies non-acceptance of the former Soviet republics into the alliance, and also implies the complete withdrawal of foreign NATO military contingents from the territory of Bulgaria and Romania."
    laughing
    Has the topic of Alaska been raised at the talks yet?

    This news should be read along with this one, dated December 13 last year:
    "Only one vote in the jury's verdict was not enough to justify the defendants in the high-profile case of an attempt to transport from Argentina to Europe almost 400 kg of cocaine, disguised as a diplomatic bag.
    ...
    Abyanov during interrogation said that for four years sent suitcases disguised as diplomatic mail to Moscow at the request of Mr. Kovalchuk."
    https://www.kommersant.ru/doc/5129371
    1. www3
      www3 21 January 2022 18: 12
      -5
      Quote: Wildcat
      laughing
      "The Russian Foreign Minister pointed out that Moscow's position unequivocally implies non-acceptance of the former Soviet republics into the alliance, and also implies the complete withdrawal of foreign NATO military contingents from the territory of Bulgaria and Romania."
      laughing
      Has the topic of Alaska been raised at the talks yet?

      This news should be read along with this one, dated December 13 last year:
      "Only one vote in the jury's verdict was not enough to justify the defendants in the high-profile case of an attempt to transport from Argentina to Europe almost 400 kg of cocaine, disguised as a diplomatic bag.
      ...
      Abyanov during interrogation said that for four years sent suitcases disguised as diplomatic mail to Moscow at the request of Mr. Kovalchuk."
      https://www.kommersant.ru/doc/5129371


      it seems that without coke in the mid lane, breaking began))
      there is no other way to explain all these ultimatums.
      1. Wildcat
        Wildcat 21 January 2022 19: 07
        -3
        There are several explanations, as they say, "for every taste, smell and color." repeat

        But in fact, it is noteworthy that because of the backs of 2 deputies from the Foreign Ministry, who dictated our inexorable will to partners, Lavrov himself finally appeared.

        As if there is a version that in one country one foreign minister, a career diplomat, does not really want to voice new turns in politics, which are so different from generally accepted diplomatic practice. And he even got to the point that he sends deputies to the most important events and, in general, has long wanted to do less troublesome things, and possibly more profitable ones, for example, to work in big companies for big money.
        But such career moves without the highest approvals in that country are not welcome and are even called "escape from the galley." And those who do not understand the hints and try to disapprovingly "escape from the galley" (under any pretext, including "own desire", illness and age), are sometimes sent for 8 years with a basket of sausages to the state. institutions to correct conduct with confiscation.
  28. Astra55
    Astra55 21 January 2022 17: 32
    +5
    And what. Right. The higher our demands, the more likely we are to be heard.
    1. lot
      lot 21 January 2022 18: 01
      -5
      Right. This is the pinnacle of diplomacy:
      Well, after - miracles to me on this occasion:
      I want a palace to heaven - you are a demon! .. © Vysotsky, The Tale of the Genie.
  29. fa2998
    fa2998 21 January 2022 17: 37
    0
    Quote: DymOk_v_dYmke
    or through the territory of other countries whose authorities have approved such a movement.

    Lavrov HIMSELF answered the demand. NATO troops are present on the territory of Bulgaria and Romania - the authorities of the countries APPROVED hi hi
  30. maks007
    maks007 21 January 2022 17: 48
    +1
    Quote: www3
    that is, Russia can move troops across its territory and countries that allowed it to do so, but NATO does not???

    Probably placement and moving around the countries is not the same thing.
    1. www3
      www3 21 January 2022 18: 14
      -5
      Quote: maks007
      Quote: www3
      that is, Russia can move troops across its territory and countries that allowed it to do so, but NATO does not???

      Probably placement and moving around the countries is not the same thing.

      Is it possible to stay without moving?
  31. Constanty
    Constanty 21 January 2022 18: 04
    +4
    and also implies the complete withdrawal of foreign NATO military contingents from the territory of Bulgaria and Romania


    Someone explain to me by what law Lavrov requires this.

    Both Bulgaria and Romania are independent states, and it is up to their governments to decide which alliances to join and what troops can be stationed there.

    It's like the US telling Russia they can't have Russian bases in Syria or Sudan.

    The case of Russia and Syria, Russia and Sudan, that they are there.

    How is it - bases in Romania and Bulgaria are a matter between Romania and Bulgaria and other NATO countries
    1. ada
      ada 22 January 2022 02: 29
      +3
      Quote: Constanty
      and also implies the complete withdrawal of foreign NATO military contingents from the territory of Bulgaria and Romania


      Someone explain to me by what law Lavrov requires this. ...
      ...


      On the merits of the question, I can explain the following:
      1. The aspect lies in the environment of interpersonal (interpersonal) relations (interactions) at the current moment between any communities of individuals and their intersections in the space of natural physical phenomena that do not have a direct material character (i.e., do not create material objects, with the exception of the resulting vector of ethereal masses environments as a result of the electric movement of the thought process of individuals from a virus, a cat, a person, etc. with the application of information coloring to various material environments), which do not have the laws of an absolute rule - law.
      Simply put, the laws of international law (and any other) do not exist in the nature of things. They are invented on purpose and are imposed or imputed as norms of relationships by the right of a strong, violent, cunning, etc., finally desperately cornered when nothing to lose, to ensure the forms of coexistence or destruction of individuals by volitional efforts. They also change, cancel.
      2. Lavrov requires this according to - see paragraph 1 and choose according to your taste.
  32. p0pulivox
    p0pulivox 21 January 2022 18: 10
    -6
    Quote: lucul
    Until there is action on our part, no one in the world will take Russia seriously

    So Rokossovsky, before the Bagration operation, also did not twitch, deployed the troops according to his plan - and then gave the go-ahead.
    Not having killer trump cards in his hands, Putin would not even stutter about ultimatums.
    So, everything is fine - "Annushka has already spilled the oil
    ".)))

    winked And when it all goes wrong, your clack pro it will you forget or will you change your shoes in the air again ?! Your brethren are no strangers... lol
    1. p0pulivox
      p0pulivox 22 January 2022 11: 23
      -3
      ps "Killer trumps" only in the minds of the clacks; you can downvote as much as you want, this will not change the reality ...
  33. lot
    lot 21 January 2022 18: 14
    -6
    NATO foreign military contingents must leave

    ..NATO. We need it. And national ones too.

    Now, if you said so, it would be strong. This is impossible to translate: Alzheimer's is guaranteed.
  34. ERsytype
    ERsytype 21 January 2022 18: 19
    +1
    Quote: JonnyT
    an agreement on the disposal of ukrov and the release of space for the Jews from Israel, which will be demolished by Iran

    Run to a psychiatrist
  35. rotfuks
    rotfuks 21 January 2022 18: 48
    -2
    The meeting between Minister Lavrov and his American colleague yielded practically zero output. We did not see any negotiations, but the most repeated word in the press conference was Ukraine. As expected, the topic of European security was chattered and everything was reduced to Ukraine. And what about Ukraine? For 30 years of independence, she did not create anything and did not build anything. The only income to the Ukrainian budget is income from the transit of Russian gas. That is, there are intestinal or skin parasites, and Ukrainians are special gas or pipe parasites.
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  37. Looking for
    Looking for 21 January 2022 19: 08
    -3
    "Our answer was and remains clear and transparent: the issue of deploying NATO forces on its territory is not a matter for discussion. NATO's work, where and in what configuration, depending on security needs, we deploy our military force is not the business of the Russian Federation , just as we do not indicate to the Russian Federation where to deploy or not to deploy its own forces on its territory," Joane said.

    He said this in response to the demand of Russian Foreign Minister Sergei Lavrov, who said that the Alliance should withdraw its military from Bulgaria and Romania. Double standards in action - they can deploy troops wherever they want on "their" territory. but Russia is not allowed !! !
  38. mitroha
    mitroha 21 January 2022 19: 08
    0
    Quote: bk316
    How much do you know about our elites? Do you have many familiar generals, at least one minister, maybe 1st class advisers?

    Yes, you don’t feed the lobot, he talks about his elites
    They have hackneyed training manuals, elites, children, torn, pensioners. They do not know that the Motherland must be defended even without all this. They go to the "occupiers" to work, to Poland. What for them this homeland
  39. north 2
    north 2 21 January 2022 19: 13
    +2
    Quote: t-4
    You are interesting people. Sit on the MILITARY forum and constantly push ideas about beggarly pregnant pensioners and the failure of power. No, of course I have questions for my government, but I do not intend to discuss them with you, as Vladimir Semenovich used to say.
    So you would discuss the economic situation somewhere on CyberForum, something like:
    The price elasticity of the population's demand for goods B is /0,8/, and the cross elasticity for the price of goods C is 0,5. Today's consumption of good B is 10 units. per month. Calculate how and by what amount (in units) the consumption of good B will change if it is known that in the coming period the price of good B will increase by 9%, and the price of good C will decrease by 6%
    Or, except for "Everything is bad and the system needs to be changed," there are not enough brains for more.
    And VO - Military Review and discuss military issues here.

    and you do not allow the fact that on the VO website in the comments there is a whole team of trolls organized by the SBU, and all sorts of trolls hired there will be piled up. If there is an information war against Russia, then it would be foolish to exclude and deny that their attacks bypassed the VO website ...
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  43. Bagatur
    Bagatur 21 January 2022 19: 48
    -4
    Clown ... In 1989 he wants, or something))
  44. Arkadich
    Arkadich 21 January 2022 19: 53
    0
    Quote: Orel
    Quote: Lt. air force reserve
    And what is their alternative? They will lose everything anyway, the United States is trying in every possible way to undermine the economy and military potential of Russia. With sanctions, they can already take everything away from Russian officials and oligarchs.


    You overestimate the selflessness and willingness of our elites to share hardships with the people.

    Yes, and our people are quite infantile, grumbling at most. Let's remember the situation with the Czech Republic. Loud insults, demolition of monuments and what in response? Concern? The authorities did not dare to include various sanctions, but the people with "patriots" that, as they bought Czech, we buy. In China, at one time they announced a boycott of goods. And we have conversations "oh, hold me seven, otherwise I'll tear everyone up"
  45. Oleg Barchev
    Oleg Barchev 21 January 2022 20: 13
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    Negotiations with the US have not even started yet. We are waiting for a written response. And then there are options. But what is absolutely certain - Putin V.V. no one can blame for stupidity and inconsistency.
    1. Kronos
      Kronos 21 January 2022 20: 42
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      It is impossible to blame the stupidity of a person who complained that NATO deceived him?
  46. flicker
    flicker 21 January 2022 20: 22
    -1
    Sergey Lavrov and Anthony Blinken meet in Geneva

    Lavrov's attitude to the performances of blinkin minkin shminkin
  47. ERsytype
    ERsytype 21 January 2022 20: 34
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    Quote: rotfuks
    The meeting between Minister Lavrov and his American colleague yielded practically zero output. We did not see any negotiations, but the most repeated word in the press conference was Ukraine. As expected, the topic of European security was chattered and everything was reduced to Ukraine. And what about Ukraine? For 30 years of independence, she did not create anything and did not build anything. The only income to the Ukrainian budget is income from the transit of Russian gas. That is, there are intestinal or skin parasites, and Ukrainians are special gas or pipe parasites.

    I'm sorry, but you're talking blatant nonsense. Income from transit in 2020 amounted to about 1.6 billion dollars, and other income to the state budget was 45 billion dollars. So what are you talking about? Or so, throw on the fan?
  48. rocket757
    rocket757 21 January 2022 20: 39
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    Negotiations will not be quick, this is understandable.
    What will be the result, it is interesting, in general, but if it happens, something is not immediately, spread out over time, we may not notice, we may not understand what, why and why.
  49. Andobor
    Andobor 21 January 2022 21: 35
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    Americans are very easy to talk to
    You put a gun to your head and talk.
    No gun - no conversation - the opposite is also true.
  50. Sands Careers General
    Sands Careers General 21 January 2022 22: 00
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    If they don’t want to talk with Lavrov, they will have to talk with Shoigu and Gerasimov, that’s a fact))