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Take off, paper rocket

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Take off, paper rocket

I read how others suffered in their service, the horror is simple, I also decided to throw a couple of lines, so, for starters. Still solidarity.


Twisting


When he was the commander of a division of the missile regiment of the OS type, he served easily and carefree. There were three divisions in the regiment, a group of OESZO and a platoon of material support, that, in fact, were all divisions, not counting the management.

The arrangement is generally sloppy.

On Monday, preparation for combat duty with passing tests before lunch and checking the appearance and documentation for intercession, after lunch, somewhere around 19:00-21:00, as you're lucky.

Tuesday. Arrival at the barracks at 06:00 and departure for a divorce with the division fully equipped.

At about 08:00 departure to the positional area, which was 100 kilometers away. Well, if it wasn't winter.

If it’s winter, then the trip there was somewhat delayed for about twenty kilometers. Yes, and the last leg of the journey often had to be overcome on MT-LB. The wind in the mug, and I spit. Fun!

Sometimes I had to walk five kilometers in the snow and still drag things and a supply of food for three or four days of duty.

Upon arrival at the central position, they were divided into guards, the soldiers received food from the warehouse, the senior officer from the duty shift was appointed.

Having baptized them and wishing to reach and not get lost, he let people go on guard. Soldiers often had a dilemma about what to take with them from food and what to throw away. After all, you had to pull all these cans on yourself, and then make soup or porridge out of them.

And not each of them was able to walk 5-20 km to his guard, which guarded the launcher. The officer usually walked in front and trampled their way, and the two of them followed in his footsteps so as not to get lost. Usually they went out to change hours at 12 noon, and came back at best at six in the evening, and then from nearby guards.

It was impossible to change the most distant ones in a day, and they waited there until the morning together with the officer, because it was not at all ice to go back through the snowy field at night.

Upon arrival at the guard, the soldiers undressed almost completely, because their “belugas” were soaked through with sweat, and then dried their things until the morning.

And I also had to scoop out a tank of feces, otherwise it was very difficult to go to the toilet. After all, he was filled with them. Water also had to be obtained by oneself, because MT-LB often broke down or solariums reached the limit.

Now it's better, but ten years ago everything was very sad. He saved snow in winter, and wells in summer.

Tuesday, Wednesday, Thursday and Friday - combat duty.

Friday back, arriving around 18:00 or around midnight, as luck would have it.

But upstairs they lied that the shift was over long ago. But what, why irritate the authorities? Then it will irritate you to no avail. After all, the problems of drowning people are the problems of drowning people themselves.

Saturday - PCB


Sunday is a sports festival or an idiotic formation, or problems with the soldiers, or someone did not step into the outfit, or someone, on the contrary, had a great walk after the shift from combat duty and beat someone, or someone beat him. Well, and so on.

Monday - you go to a lesson with a security group of another defending division, Tuesday - preliminary training.

Wednesday - shooting or something else, write-off of property or a trip at your own expense in a personal car to the positional area to eliminate shortcomings in the guards.

Thursday - again preparation for the intercession on combat duty, Friday - intercession, and until Tuesday.

And it's like this all the time.

There were, of course, deviations like all kinds of exercises, when you left for the region not for three or four days, but for seven or ten, or fourteen days.

There was no such freebie in the SPU regiments, they steadily left every six months for 30 days in the forest to feed mosquitoes or ticks, as they were lucky.

And there were also short-term exercises, like ours, all sorts of checks, the “sudden” and final ones were especially cool.

This is the top of rocket art, just a top without a roof, because the bottom, as I already said, was on the minus twelfth floor, where there was a toilet and beds for the resting calculation of the RAP.

And when you return, it's the same again.

There were, of course, weekends, but rarely.

Why are they military?

He has a wife for this.

One or two days off per month is a harsh and necessary norm for the commander of a valiant division. He should hold the wheel of a car, and buy household appliances or clothes for the family, having gone to the nearest city, it’s not all the same for his wife to drag both the child and the purchases.

Outfits


And there were also outfits that flew to the division commander, since the deputy regiment commanders were reluctant to wear them.

Here is why.

This refers to the outfit on duty at the connection.

His whole trick was that he personally had to go around all military facilities and leave a record there, and dig up shortcomings. And since I served in the largest division, there were a lot of objects to check there.

So let's start: ten barracks of regiments and six more barracks of rear units. Four dormitories, four checkpoints, a fire brigade, two headquarters, two educational buildings, a VOKhR guard, a commandant's office and a car park. Three canteens, too - during meals.

And that's all - one duty officer on the connection.

Usually the round began at about eight in the evening and lasted until four in the morning. Then work at the computer and print out the report to the person responsible for the connection, which was provided at 05:50 at the formation, and then filed.

Then the division commander or the chief of staff could hear you on the phone and immediately remove you, or remove you a little later, or remove you altogether in the evening because some duty officer at the checkpoint let the wrong person through. I was taken off once for the bulls that the regimental commanders threw in front of the entrance to the barracks, after an ostentatious lesson by the chief of staff of the division.

As I recall, such a joyful smile spreads all over my kind, non-round face. There was a time, however, it has remained the same now, if it has not become worse.

I especially liked it when in one barracks, where an officer served as a regiment on duty, a divisional officer was appointed from among the officers and ensigns for every day, a regimental officer from among the deputies of the regiment commander and also the head of the anti-sabotage formation, of the same category of officers -ensigns, who spent the night in the barracks.

And yet it often did not help.

Yes, and how it could help, when many did not care. Why do they need soldiers when he did not see his family, not all wives understand this, someone could make a scandal.

There were especially many interesting things when the notorious 400th order began to operate.

But it is already completely different. история, although I know a couple of dozen very interesting examples, but who is interested in them?

Yes, I completely forgot, a couple of times I had to step into the outfit on duty for the regiment, being a lieutenant colonel. And what to do if your subordinate officer had a nice walk the day before and came with such a fumes that it is simply impossible not to notice him.

And to spend the night in the barracks of the division commander as a person in charge for the New Year is generally the norm.

All the same, the son saw his father only in a dream. Because you left when he was still sleeping, and came when he was already sleeping. It wasn't always like this, of course, I'm exaggerating, but, unfortunately, it was.

PS


So I think that pilots at all times have had a worse life than rocket scientists. Complex equipment, flights, route and other meteorology.

It's no big deal rocketmen: they sit in the warmth on the minus eleventh floor and press all sorts of buttons, practicing training with the VZU. Yes, endless teas are chasing for days on end, but with delicious buns. Beauty! True, when something happens with the equipment, it is often not a laughing matter.
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  1. impostor
    impostor 24 January 2022 18: 10
    +4
    But this is a completely different story, although I know a couple of dozen very interesting examples, but who is interested in them?

    Why not? About 400 even the songs are folded! Please, in the studio! yes
  2. nnm
    nnm 24 January 2022 18: 14
    +7
    It is necessary to show such articles to amateurs to ask why the military has a retirement age earlier and why the pension is a little higher.
    1. Sergey Valov
      Sergey Valov 24 January 2022 18: 29
      +4
      It's useless, they will say it's a lie.
      1. Seryoga64
        Seryoga64 24 January 2022 18: 32
        -4
        Quote: Sergey Valov
        It's useless, they will say it's a lie.

        Stubborn still can not prove anything
        1. Sergey Valov
          Sergey Valov 24 January 2022 18: 35
          +3
          That's right, he's right by definition.
          1. Seryoga64
            Seryoga64 24 January 2022 18: 37
            -3
            Even here at VO I was convinced more than once
        2. Hagen
          Hagen 25 January 2022 08: 25
          +3
          Quote: Seryoga64
          Stubborn still can not prove anything

          And stubborn and do not need to prove anything. It does not affect the size of the pension. It is necessary to prove to those who climb into power. They proved it to Putin - they received an 8,6% addition to their pensions. It is necessary to conduct a dialogue with sober-minded people. With stubborn - useless, and even harmful. They are stubborn, often just energy vampires. To maintain vitality, they need to bring someone out of mental balance. Why indulge them?
    2. faiver
      faiver 24 January 2022 18: 48
      +10
      so after all, there are similar modes of work in civilian life, without earlier and increased pensions ...
      1. nnm
        nnm 24 January 2022 18: 57
        -5
        For instance? Well, just wondering what specialties you name.
        A forester, a hunter ... but still not even close either in terms of responsibility, or in tension, or in the number of crossings, or in the places of these very crossings.
        It’s just that I can’t imagine comparable civilian professions yet.
        1. faiver
          faiver 24 January 2022 19: 00
          +3
          Ambulance, other things, not doctors, but technical support ...
          1. nnm
            nnm 24 January 2022 19: 07
            -4
            What, for weeks their children and wives do not see, or after the field their children no longer recognize? Or did they only hear about vacations from other people's conversations?
            I don't want to underestimate the complexity of their job in the slightest, but it certainly doesn't come close to the military.
            1. faiver
              faiver 24 January 2022 19: 14
              +8
              you leave for work at 6-30, and return as it will, and without days off, went on vacation for the first time after 4 years, the second time after the same amount, but with the next one,
              but she certainly does not stand next to the military.
              - the principle is the same - I don’t know how, but so that by the morning it was, because in the morning all the brigades should go to the line ...
              1. nnm
                nnm 24 January 2022 19: 59
                -3
                Wow! Are you still coming back every day? Yes, it's kind of a fairy tale.
                And this is still not a word about how many military crossings across the country, about how children suffer from this, that the den does not have a normal career because of this, and so on.
                By no means do I want to say that working in an ambulance is easy and adequately paid, this is not at all the case. Doctors really work hard for a penny from dawn to dusk. But believe me, when you are practically not at home at all, and instead of your children you are babysitting soldiers, this is a very big difference.
                1. Wildcat
                  Wildcat 24 January 2022 21: 20
                  +7
                  hi
                  IMHO, doctors, like the military, work / serve in different ways.

                  For example, there is a doctor in the clinic from "9 to 18", "there are arms and legs - get a certificate about this."

                  And there are operating doctors who, in addition to planned operations, also go to "emergency" ones (this is when "they brought the" beaten from an accident, "we also call for air ambulance"). And those who go on daily duty, and then passed the duty - voila, a new working day, because there are no doctors.
                  Here, by the way, dexterity is needed: if the shift doctor tries to jump out of the window from the ordinary life, then you need to catch him by the belt of his trousers, and rest against the window sill with his chest - otherwise you can not hold it and you can also fly out the window.
                  And at home in this mode you can sleep, and you can sleep even while sitting - because they don’t wake you up at home.

                  Well, doctors have advantages that are inaccessible, IMHO, to a military man in a bunker:
                  You can take a child to work and not only see it, but also show him the inside of life (together with the police). And you can feed the baby with hospital food. True, if both parents are doctors and both are on duty or on call, then it’s a bit scary to leave a child at 4 years old at home (but you can put it in the staff room). But the rules, the Hippocratic oath - it's like an oath and all that.
                2. Dmitry Chelyabinsk
                  Dmitry Chelyabinsk 26 January 2022 08: 08
                  +1
                  I support. The military, well, maybe with the exception of the Strategic Missile Forces, still have the obligation to go to death on orders.
                  1. Pilat2009
                    Pilat2009 28 January 2022 17: 30
                    0
                    Quote: Dmitry Chelyabinsk
                    there is still a duty to go to death by order.

                    But civilians mobilized in the event of a war, no
                    1. Dmitry Chelyabinsk
                      Dmitry Chelyabinsk 28 January 2022 18: 58
                      0
                      When mobilizing, professional military and civilians are on an equal footing. The rest of the time (the last 75 years) - no.
            2. Avior
              Avior 24 January 2022 19: 26
              +12
              To be honest, the article is more about the disgusting organization of service and the tyranny and unprofessionalism of the command staff, and not about some objective reasons for the complexity of the service.
              If some lumberjacks or shift workers organize their work in this way, then there will also be plenty of problems.
              1. dauria
                dauria 25 January 2022 04: 26
                +8
                To be honest, the article is more about the disgusting organization of service and the tyranny and unprofessionalism of the command staff,


                The article is just fine. There are such holes, but what's there - holes and asses. And no matter what commander you put in - well, he won’t change the climate, he won’t plant a grove on a bare hill with permafrost, he won’t move the station and the Buryat village five kilometers closer to the unit and a couple of five-story buildings. And the snow from September to May will not melt. If he doesn’t build a kindergarten with a school, he won’t build an unfortunate shop. So people will walk 5 km back and forth to the train passing twice a day for lemonade.
                Do you know why the GKChPist Yazov was fondly remembered? He, being a commander in Dauria, planted stunted poplars in the town. Have taken root. And there was also Khada Bulak wink
                And as soon as you change into a heavenly place at least next to Yuzhno-Sakhalinsk, you will spit out. Like "Well, why are you nits, they didn’t immediately say that there are heavenly places for the same money and buns"
        2. Hypertension
          Hypertension 24 January 2022 21: 12
          +8
          Quote: nnm
          Well, just wondering what specialties you name.

          Shift workers (oil workers, drillers) and truckers, I think, will be able to compete in hardships and hardships. Here you have hard work, and months without a family, and moving, and responsibility.
          Well, miners, of course. Working conditions and harmfulness are known.
        3. Stepan S
          Stepan S 24 January 2022 22: 41
          +3
          It’s just that I can’t imagine comparable civilian professions yet.

          My son is engaged in the repair of blast furnaces, this gentle lieutenant colonel, who here wept five sheets about his hard labor, and in a terrible dream he never dreamed that in civilian life people work up to 60 and how they work.
          1. Alexey RU64
            24 January 2022 23: 03
            -3
            Man, these stories I know in abundance. Why didn’t your son join the army to serve as an ensign or officer, it’s good there ... and they pay a lot. Be sure to advise him, let him run away from his stove and tell him that all officers are sissies.
            1. Stepan S
              Stepan S 24 January 2022 23: 08
              +4
              Be sure to advise him, let him run away from his stove and tell him that all officers are sissies.

              And he works, like millions of men in civilian life, he doesn’t cry, how you poured tears here, instead of talking about the service. It is simply amazing to read how an officer writes an article about his hardships in the service, as if it consisted only of hardships.
              1. Aag
                Aag 25 January 2022 00: 59
                +7
                Quote: Stepan S
                Be sure to advise him, let him run away from his stove and tell him that all officers are sissies.

                And he works, like millions of men in civilian life, he doesn’t cry, how you poured tears here, instead of talking about the service. It is simply amazing to read how an officer writes an article about his hardships in the service, as if it consisted only of hardships.

                What the hell is going on in VO?!
                I remember that I came to Belarus as a green lieutenant on vacation from Transbaikalia, even though I myself come from the Baltic states, so they almost carried me in their arms !! It was very inconvenient in front of the hard workers! For such an honor...
                Later, either times have changed, or I ... have become worse ... I notice that both envious people and "admirers" of houses and housing have acquired households ... And I ... changed the barracks in the barracks to a two-room apartment with a settlement (apartment 8 sq. meters, instead of a cabinet - a box from under the refrigerator ...) ...
                Further, -more:, -polygon (Plesetsk). Who knows - 1988 ... There are no glasses in the windows. We slept under two mattresses))) ... Next - Irkutsk ... No BSP, no housing!. We lived in a two-room apartment allocated com. division by the entire division (officers, ensigns) ...
                As I remember now, the evening divorce: "So, l-you, dinner is for you, - here's the money, go ahead!"
                With this money, based on the amount of l / s, the need for Kcalories, 10 kg of dumplings, 6 kg of Doctor's sausage came out for dinner ... Bread, I confess, was dragged from the dining room ... Let me remind you - this whole horde was canteen x room apartment ... Instead of cranes, hoses pinched with wire, instead of a toilet bowl, a hole in the pipe, beds in two tiers, in shifts ...
                Families, wives? To parents, to study!
                On the fingers of one hand I can count those who live in the first marriage ... (((
              2. Alexey RU64
                25 January 2022 11: 23
                0
                And what did it consist of? To raise a stupid soldier, and teach him what his parents did not instill. To say that you can’t beat another, wipe his snot, protect him from those who are bolder and stronger, force him to serve who doesn’t want to. Always see only the barracks, never go abroad on vacation, even when you have money for this, and even on vacation to solve those problems that have accumulated, and not to rest. Dangle around the garrisons, live in a service apartment, each time losing the acquired things in the form of collapsed furniture or sold for a penny. I moved five times from place to place. My son has changed six schools. And you?
        4. Nazar
          Nazar 25 January 2022 17: 12
          -1
          nnm - Structural Engineer. For months in the taiga on the highway, midges in the summer, in the winter in the trailer in the morning the hair freezes to the pillow. About 420-450 people worked in the Department, from 3 to 7 died a year - machine operators, along with equipment, went under the ice, installers burned out with gas explosions. At the same time, responsibility - if even after a few years the welded joint on the pipeline bursts (and the head of the section signs for each joint), then all three will be imprisoned: a welder, a laboratory assistant, who "shone" the joint and the head of the section. I worked like that for more than 10 years - it's funny to read about the "suffering" of the military, he was punished for cigarette butts, what cruelty - huh?
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      2. Aag
        Aag 25 January 2022 00: 18
        +6
        To understand the situation ... - for the last two months of service (commander GPP, "Topol"), I spent the night at home for two nights ...
        Yes, it used to be...
        Believe me, I don’t beg your work at all, but ... these are somewhat different things: a Gazelle, a UAZ with flashing lights, and more than 100 tons with nuclear weapons (nuclear ammunition) ...
        It's like a driver, on the roads with our dear compatriots ... (just - a common moment, everyone has their own specifics).
        Sincerely. Hoping for your understanding... hi
  3. rocket757
    rocket757 24 January 2022 18: 18
    +4
    So I think that pilots at all times have had a worse life than rocket scientists.
    . Suppose the rocket man also lived / served in different ways.
    Especially those whose address was "Moscow *****".
    However, how young we were and where we just did not wear!
    1. Pushkar
      Pushkar 27 January 2022 13: 19
      +1
      Quote: rocket757
      Especially those whose address was "Moscow *****".

      Moscow-400? wink
      1. rocket757
        rocket757 27 January 2022 13: 31
        0
        Chorus:

        The heart cares, the heart worries
        Postal cargo is being packed…
        My address is not a house or a street,
        My address is the Soviet Union!
        My address is not a house or a street,
        My address is the Soviet Union

        There were different addresses, how lucky.
  4. Aviator_
    Aviator_ 24 January 2022 18: 19
    +2
    It, of course, the author served in the 90s, but reading this memoir is very painful. Here "Without" in his memoirs relish dunks political workers and everyone around, and invariably turns out to be the only d, Artagnan. Bullshit, of course, but it is interesting to read it. And then there's utter dismay. Minus note.
    1. Pushkar
      Pushkar 27 January 2022 13: 26
      +1
      Quote: Aviator_
      Bullshit, of course, but it is interesting to read it.

      Breshet - I agree, but reading his opuses to people who served in aviation is embarrassing. Collection of gossip and tales offended.
      1. Aviator_
        Aviator_ 27 January 2022 18: 11
        0
        Collection of gossip and tales offended.

        This betrays him, self-admiration. It seems that in life it was somewhat different, then let it be in the book as you wish.
  5. ODERVIT
    ODERVIT 24 January 2022 18: 21
    +3
    I liked the storytelling.
    Only ps, for me, is superfluous.
    Why compare, it is clear that the irony, but ... an eight-hour flight shift at -30 is not a resort.
    Good luck with your literary search. wink
  6. Bez 310
    Bez 310 24 January 2022 18: 23
    +11
    "I believe that pilots at all times have had a worse life than rocket scientists"
    If this is humor, then some of it is not very funny, it is somehow forced, like your service ...
    I have a simple question for you - why did you torture yourself so much all your life?
    1. Alexey RU64
      24 January 2022 20: 50
      +4
      Every person always has a choice. And each person always has some understanding of their capabilities. In order not to torment oneself with service, it was necessary to have at least some kind of anchor in civilian life. What anchor can you have when you didn’t have a father and you almost became an orphan at the age of 15. Going home, where it was even worse, is stupidity. I could always leave the army, but was it better for me? That is why he continued to serve. 70% of my classmates quit within the first five years. Another 20% did not even reach retirement age. I retired among the last having served an apartment and a pension. Yes, I am a pessimist and for me the glass is half empty, while for you it is half full. I have always had a highly developed sense of duty and even if I was weak in some ways, but when others left, I wiped my snot, calmed down and moved on. Everyone has their own understanding. You never saw a soldier in your service, you never mentioned them, but I drank the soldier's porridge with them in full. So don't judge yourself. I honestly think your stories are not serious, but this is my personal subjective opinion. Just different stories come to mind in connection with this.
      1. Bez 310
        Bez 310 24 January 2022 21: 14
        +9
        Quote: Alexey RU64
        So don't judge yourself. I honestly think your stories are frivolous

        I thought for a moment that the whole point was in the mess that your commanders and boss made for you, turning the most important service into hard labor, and you are all about me and my stories.
        Okay I will not...
        1. Alexey RU64
          24 January 2022 21: 49
          -2
          Here you are again for yours. And this is not a mess in fact, this is the specifics of the service, the mess was in another, but there is no point in telling it. I have never seen anything funny and cool in the service. Funny cases are very primitive and based on booze and stupid jokes. What is interesting about who got drunk and how? And who and to whom pestered? How do officers differ from an engineer or a collective farmer in this? So let's not.
          1. Moore
            Moore 25 January 2022 06: 32
            +4
            Dear Aleksey, you must admit that if everything that you described here could be seen conditionally through all twenty (or some) years of service, somewhere in the middle of this process, the military man would definitely fall into a fool. Why isn't this happening? Well, you know - without the "relaxation" that you described above and described, well, nothing. Yes, they drink, yes, they are outrageous and morally do not shine sometimes. Are there any other methods to overcome the conditions of service and the nonsense that comes from the higher authorities? I finished my service as deputy commander of the Topol regiment, served as a division commander for two years - this is a slightly different division than you had. I heard a lot of idiotic orders in our non-combatant troops - above the roof - from cutting down the coolant drain taps on the equipment - so that the antifreeze fighters do not get drunk and up to a fragment of a ditch 5m wide (with water, of course), around the BSP. With the creation of caponiers around the "Kron".
            Why am I ... Now, under another glass with former colleagues, we recall with pleasure and love, among other things, these tick-mosquito trips, jokes on superiors, funny situations associated (horror!) And with drinking, and with other "improper" acts. In other words, "it is necessary to serve beautifully" - I don’t remember who said. As for those who tell here about our whining and undeserved benefits - spit. Don't get involved. Long-range, not to die in peacetime, simply because a fighter dropped a grenade and he, a dunce, must be saved for his mother, as the same Solntsev did. Or like those at the start with Nedelin... Dixi.
            1. Alexey RU64
              25 January 2022 11: 16
              -4
              I agree, I served in Yury, Kozelsk, Tatishchevo, Nizhny Novgorod region, I was on business trips in Perm, KapYar, Tagil, Teikovo, Vladimir. I also know the Perimeter system, I was on duty on all types of Signal except for the newest one. I just wanted to write, but I have stories for a book, but I only remember the bad. And what was good? Barracks, field exits, eternal problems? The only good thing was the school. I was a battalion commander for 8,5 years, I commanded four different battalions in different regiments and with different equipment, you can’t explain this to a stupid long-range combatant who, apart from his Kamaz, knows nothing and can’t. And he doesn't care about others. But this is my opinion.
              1. Hypertension
                Hypertension 25 January 2022 13: 50
                0
                Quote: Alexey RU64
                you can’t explain this to a stupid long-range driver who, apart from his Kamaz, knows nothing and can’t. And he doesn't care about others.

                Are you referring to one specific ranger or all of them at once?
                1. Alexey RU64
                  25 January 2022 15: 02
                  0
                  This is a collective image of a person who thinks that he alone works and is very brutal, and all the military are miserable buffoons and whiners.
                  1. Hypertension
                    Hypertension 25 January 2022 15: 15
                    -1
                    This is how individual representatives of any profession can think, not just truckers. And for some reason, it was long-rangers who got it from you. And, in a very derogatory way.
                    1. Alexey RU64
                      25 January 2022 16: 39
                      -2
                      Yes, I have already encountered several times on different sites with representatives of this profession, and everyone has a derogatory attitude towards the military profession. The funny thing is, my former sergeant works as a long-range truck driver and he knows perfectly well where it is easier. In the army, he received 45 tons and was constantly away from home. He gets 70-80 tons as a long-distance trucker and also doesn’t go home, but he can take a rest for a couple of weeks, as he likes, that’s the whole difference.
                      1. Hypertension
                        Hypertension 25 January 2022 16: 47
                        -1
                        Well, not everywhere the service is as difficult as you had? Depends on the type / type of troops, the location of the unit, infrastructure, etc.
            2. Hypertension
              Hypertension 25 January 2022 13: 46
              0
              Quote: Moore
              Long-range, do not die in peacetime, simply because a fighter dropped a grenade and he, a booby, must be saved for his mother

              With all due respect, truckers have their own situations for "breathing" in peacetime. I did not find how many officers died from the inept actions of conscripts and how many truckers died as a result of an accident. But it can be assumed that there are still more dead truckers.
              The extreme incident with a grenade known to me is 2014, when the commander of the unit, Serik Sultangabiev, who saved the soldier. Fortunately, he survived, but was seriously injured. By the way, the culprit of the emergency was not a green conscript, but a sergeant. And truckers die every year.
              The number of trucker-related accidents has increased seven-fold over the past year, according to insurers. Drama is added by statistics from the labor inspectorate, according to which last year, at least nine truckers died at their workplace. The causes of death are not so much accidents as sudden health problems. It also depends on the fact that the average age of a trucker is growing and on the fact that people in this profession do not have the opportunity to lead a healthy lifestyle.
              1. Moore
                Moore 25 January 2022 15: 28
                +2
                Quote: Hyperion
                But it can be assumed that there are still more dead truckers.

                Let's still count the servicemen who died as a result of an accident, and among them, for example, we will single out missilemen. And in general, those who died in an accident. The regiment will be recruited. There will obviously be more dead on the Kursk, on crashed combat aircraft, etc. Does it say something? About, for example, that the same trucker, on the orders of the dispatcher or on his own initiative, must consciously sacrifice his life? No. There is a fine line here, what distinguishes the military profession from the rest. I agree, now this line is blurring, hence our discussion. The world of the filthy bastard.
                1. Hypertension
                  Hypertension 25 January 2022 16: 15
                  -1
                  Quote: Moore
                  There is a fine line here, what distinguishes the military profession from the rest.

                  Certainly, there is a limit. But not every military man in peacetime is faced with the possibility of an order for self-sacrifice. Both soldiers and civilians are killed. Miners, for example, take risks every day.
                  In wartime, of course, everything changes dramatically. "An infantryman does not attack more than three times" (c).
                  1. Alexey RU64
                    25 January 2022 16: 43
                    -2
                    You understand that the difference is that I can get behind the wheel of a truck and I sometimes drove MAZs, I can, but you don’t control nuclear weapons! I will say more, not all of the rocket men can withstand it and many do not like it, and they go to other units not related to combat duty. I have rights B, C. I can drive many cars and even tractors. But I learned to carry the database and know the technique perfectly a year later and they often insured me so that I would not make mistakes, even in training sessions. This is how an engineer can become a lawyer, but a lawyer cannot become an engineer.
                    1. Hypertension
                      Hypertension 25 January 2022 16: 55
                      0
                      Quote: Alexey RU64
                      You understand that the difference is that I can get behind the wheel of a truck and I sometimes drove MAZs, I can, but you don’t control nuclear weapons!

                      And what about professional competence? It is understandable that a nuclear physicist will be able to trade in the market, and a trader will not be able to work at a nuclear power plant. The question was in terms of service / work. And you can also teach some brainy trucker to carry the database and know the technique. Truckers are people of different professions, and among them there may be a person whose knowledge is not available to you.
              2. Alexey RU64
                25 January 2022 19: 30
                -3
                Any long-distance driver can switch to another transport, to a minibus or a gazelle for urban transportation. It all depends on human desires and sanity.
                1. Hypertension
                  Hypertension 25 January 2022 19: 57
                  0
                  Quote: Alexey RU64
                  Any ranger can transfer to another vehicle

                  And the military can file a report.
                  Quote: Alexey RU64
                  Every person always has a choice. And each person always has some understanding of their capabilities.
                  1. Pushkar
                    Pushkar 27 January 2022 13: 44
                    0
                    Quote: Hyperion
                    And the military can file a report.

                    Dear, you somehow left the essence of the dispute. Dalnoboy does not take an oath. I swear to sacredly observe the Constitution of the Russian Federation, to strictly comply with the requirements of military regulations, orders of commanders and superiors. I swear to fulfill my military duty with dignity, to courageously defend the freedom, independence and constitutional order of Russia, the people and the Fatherland. Accordingly, no one can give him an order to give his life for the Motherland. Give at one time or within 25 years.
                    1. Hypertension
                      Hypertension 27 January 2022 13: 51
                      0
                      Taking an oath does not guarantee 100% fulfillment. When bullets whistle overhead, not everyone will remember the oath.
          2. victor50
            victor50 26 January 2022 17: 31
            0
            Quote: Alexey RU64
            And this is not a mess in fact, this is the specifics of the service, the mess was in another,

            They were afraid to report the truth upstairs - this is not a mess?
  7. impostor
    impostor 24 January 2022 18: 24
    +4
    Whether it’s the rocket men: they sit in the warmth on the minus eleventh floor and press all sorts of buttons, practicing training with the VZU

    Especially if the connection is not in the middle of nowhere, but on a federal highway and double basses every weekend tend to go around all the hot spots in the district in their personal vehicles, mess up wherever possible, and on the way back fly tightly under an oncoming truck or climb into a loop along blue sadness from unhappy love.
    1. Sergey Valov
      Sergey Valov 24 January 2022 18: 33
      +2
      "on the federal highway" - in Vypolzovo? hi Familiar places.
      1. impostor
        impostor 24 January 2022 18: 35
        +1
        My respect hi
        1. Sergey Valov
          Sergey Valov 24 January 2022 18: 38
          0
          I’ll clarify a little - I didn’t serve there, but I know the place, because my father’s garrison was in Khotilovo, and my parents went to Vypolzovo for food, by agreement of the unit commanders.
          1. impostor
            impostor 24 January 2022 18: 42
            +1
            And of course the hospital hi So you had a holiday on January 22?
            1. Sergey Valov
              Sergey Valov 24 January 2022 18: 45
              0
              The new Khotilovsky garrison had its own two-story medical unit, directly opposite our 4-story building, my father was lying in it.
              1. impostor
                impostor 24 January 2022 18: 47
                0
                One recent time, they were generally going to quarter in 14245
                1. Sergey Valov
                  Sergey Valov 24 January 2022 18: 51
                  0
                  Everything is possible, I have long lost touch with those places. Three months ago I drove by in a car, but I didn’t dare to turn around - you can’t go back to old memories. stop
                  1. impostor
                    impostor 24 January 2022 19: 05
                    0
                    Same, but keep in touch
      2. Alexey RU64
        24 January 2022 20: 52
        -1
        Tatishka is also full of such regiments. One major drunk ran into a power pole, two corpses...
      3. Pavel Serikov
        Pavel Serikov 24 January 2022 22: 32
        0
        I served there urgent 1976-1978 TRB military unit 96778
        1. impostor
          impostor 24 January 2022 22: 56
          0
          TRB its subordination, not from the Vladimir RA, from Vologda, my friend is also there hi
  8. Nikon O'Conor
    Nikon O'Conor 24 January 2022 18: 26
    +7
    somehow far 100 km to the PR. We have 40-50 km on Voevody, and from PR to guards with launchers from 10 to 20 km. But I only remember once that we did not get to the guard itself, we had to stomp about 1 kilometers with snowdrifts. And so usually the roads to the PU were rowed with BATs constantly. But perhaps this is the specificity of the V / H. After all, we had a division, more and more opportunities ....
    As for water, you are right. The butt was. We were closed for a week in the guardhouse together, and there was only one flask for 40 liters. Each launcher had a well, they collected a flask, then boots from the OZK and hung them on the walls by garters. In general, boots without holes were very much appreciated by the guards)) The first 4 days they drank normal water, then 3 days with various unforgettable flavors))
    1. impostor
      impostor 24 January 2022 18: 32
      0
      When there were silos on the database by helicopters delivered.
  9. Seryoga64
    Seryoga64 24 January 2022 18: 30
    -3
    The officers and I on duty (not the database) tea for 12 hours (with breaks) and not with palyushkait, but with cookies. Still delicious laughing
    1. impostor
      impostor 24 January 2022 18: 41
      0
      Light, 89553? hi
      1. Seryoga64
        Seryoga64 24 January 2022 19: 23
        -3
        Quote: impostor
        89553?

        I do not remember recourse
        But still hi
  10. Undecim
    Undecim 24 January 2022 18: 31
    +9
    Somehow the author was stingy with the illustration, obviously he believes that all readers of the UKP "regiment like" OS "have already seen it.
    Whether it's the rocket men: they sit in the warmth on the minus eleventh floor and press all sorts of buttons


    This is what the “warm place on the minus eleventh floor” looked like in Soviet times, where the author, judging by his story, “pressed the buttons”.
    1. Nikon O'Conor
      Nikon O'Conor 24 January 2022 18: 37
      +3
      Well, at the checkpoint and the ZKP, it was something like this, only the -11th seems to be overkill, but still the command post was located deep at approximately the level of the bottom of the missile silo - about 35-40 meters. And the soldiers guarded the PU in a small house 5x5 meters, and from the dungeons we had only a patern outside the silo.
      1. Undecim
        Undecim 24 January 2022 18: 46
        +7
        No, not overkill. You can count.

        Just the eleventh. For some reason, the cat categorically refused to go down there.

        And in this chair, in theory, the author was sitting. Although, as far as I remember, in order to get into it, one had to rise to the rank of major.
        1. Bez 310
          Bez 310 24 January 2022 18: 53
          +7
          Quote: Undecim
          And in this chair

          Why seat belts?
          So as not to fall out of the chair when you fall asleep?
          1. Undecim
            Undecim 24 January 2022 18: 56
            +8
            So as not to fall out when thrown. If you look at the layout, then the steel cylinder of the UKP in the mine is suspended on shock absorbers, so that in the event of a close nuclear explosion, the equipment does not fail.
            In theory, the author should have paid attention to these points. But he mostly leaned on "hardships and hardships". Maybe he didn't reach the rank of major?
            1. Bez 310
              Bez 310 24 January 2022 19: 27
              +5
              Quote: Undecim
              Maybe he didn't reach the rank of major?

              Yes, I joked about belts, I know what they are for.
              And the author is a lieutenant colonel, so he writes about himself.
              1. Undecim
                Undecim 24 January 2022 19: 40
                +4
                And the author is a lieutenant colonel, so he writes about himself.

                For some reason, the author, even if he was a lieutenant colonel, withdrew himself from discussing his own article. Nevertheless, the topic is interesting, close to which almost no one has seen. I could have come down.
                1. Bez 310
                  Bez 310 24 January 2022 19: 48
                  +6
                  Quote: Undecim
                  I could have come down.

                  Well, yes, "it's a pity that we never managed to listen to the head of the transport department" ...
                  1. Undecim
                    Undecim 24 January 2022 19: 50
                    +5
                    Maybe he was scared of the beavers, they might even bite him.
                2. Alexey RU64
                  24 January 2022 20: 57
                  +4
                  What should you write? This is a separate article, and hell knows what can be told and what not. I have not been allowed to travel abroad for five years.
        2. Nikon O'Conor
          Nikon O'Conor 24 January 2022 19: 01
          +2
          Well, yes, the 1st and 2nd calculation numbers. The regimental commander and his deputies.
        3. Nikon O'Conor
          Nikon O'Conor 24 January 2022 19: 05
          +2
          Just the eleventh

          By the way, the layout seems to be outdated, there are stairs and no elevators. Voevoda has 2 elevators in the mine. Yes, I myself remember during the exercises I was in the calculation of an autonomous launch, and after laying the RAP, we went down to the command post by elevator (I don’t know which floor, they didn’t report to us laughing )
          1. Undecim
            Undecim 24 January 2022 19: 18
            +4
            There is an elevator. It just doesn't show up on the layout.
            1. Nikon O'Conor
              Nikon O'Conor 24 January 2022 19: 27
              +2
              Yes Yes! They are! Small and scary!!! (It's just that the memories are not very good, anxiety, we got into the RAP after a month in the bunker) We rush to the OZK along the paterns to the entrance to the command post, the light is red, the bodice of the starley opens there, we descend into the unknown. I then experienced specific emotions)) But I didn’t even know that the most fun was yet to come. In general, when the exercises ended, I poured half a glass of sweat out of a gas mask in a shishig kung and after a couple of seconds I just passed out (probably from a sharp influx of oxygen) laughing
              1. Undecim
                Undecim 24 January 2022 19: 45
                +5
                We rush to the OZK along the patterns to the entrance to the CP

                1. Nikon O'Conor
                  Nikon O'Conor 24 January 2022 19: 52
                  +3
                  Even inspired)) So good, good old))
        4. Alexey RU64
          24 January 2022 20: 55
          0
          ZKDSami and starleys were on duty, and I learned to sleep sitting up to sleep, even on the train I could not fall asleep later.
          1. Undecim
            Undecim 24 January 2022 22: 07
            +3
            Why sleep sitting when you could lie down.

            Quite a sleeping place. I'm not small, but fit fine.
            1. Alexey RU64
              24 January 2022 23: 01
              +2
              This is when rest. But it's hard to sleep there. The head is bad then.
              1. Undecim
                Undecim 24 January 2022 23: 07
                +4
                I agree, it's not the best place to stay. I wrote above that the cat did not want to go down there under any circumstances.
          2. Nikon O'Conor
            Nikon O'Conor 24 January 2022 22: 10
            +1
            when in outfit, near the 10th post, he stood, loosened the belt and clung to the battery with it, and you can warmly and sleep standing up (almost) laughing
          3. Nikon O'Conor
            Nikon O'Conor 24 January 2022 22: 13
            +1
            It is only necessary to develop a reflex when the NDSOO-P yells: "Deliver! Tea!!!"
            Getting off the battery awake is sometimes very difficult)))
    2. Alexey RU64
      24 January 2022 20: 54
      0
      Yes, well, they will still be accused of disclosing
  11. mark1
    mark1 24 January 2022 18: 40
    0
    And not each of them was able to walk 5-20 km to his guard, which guarded the launcher. The officer usually walked in front and trampled their way, and the two of them followed in his footsteps so as not to get lost. Usually they went out to change hours at 12 noon, and came back at best at six in the evening, and then from nearby guards.

    Well, this is too much, have a conscience, but when did you sleep, and the officer and the moose at all, go ahead, took them for their own))) And what kind of shift is this 12 days -6 pm
    1. Nikon O'Conor
      Nikon O'Conor 24 January 2022 19: 09
      +3
      We left the location of the division for the database at 6 in the morning. At 10, already from the positional area, they dispersed to the guards. at 12-13 days we were already on duty, and by 15-16 those who had been replaced fell off in the PR. By 18-19 they were already in the division.
      1. mark1
        mark1 24 January 2022 19: 24
        0
        Quote: Nikon OConor
        from the positional area DISPARTED
        no questions
        1. Nikon O'Conor
          Nikon O'Conor 24 January 2022 19: 34
          +1
          Well, yes, for 6 guards we had 2-3 trucks that were transported.
          1. mark1
            mark1 24 January 2022 19: 44
            0
            That's right))) Twenty km on foot in the snow ... it's only there ... the question immediately arises - why not under the red flag ?!
            1. Nikon O'Conor
              Nikon O'Conor 24 January 2022 19: 47
              0
              Well, why?)) The division was Red Banner, the banners of the regiments were also Soviet. Could have been so confusing. But FUCK? laughing
              1. mark1
                mark1 24 January 2022 19: 50
                0
                Yes, the question is not for you - you went, you are normal.
                Or are you an author? Why isn't it green then?
                1. Nikon O'Conor
                  Nikon O'Conor 24 January 2022 20: 21
                  +2
                  No, I'm not the author, he is the division commander, which means either a major or a lieutenant colonel and the 2nd crew number, and I'm just a NDSOO-K (easier guard commander), a sergeant and the 12th number hi
              2. Korax71
                Korax71 25 January 2022 12: 15
                0
                For the sake of training laughing introductory: sentry, in a gun, the guard car is crammed with hay and bricks, an attack on such and such a post wassat
    2. Alexey RU64
      25 January 2022 11: 28
      0
      For those who remained on guard duty, Kds, I used to intercede at 1500, so only at 0300 or at nine in the morning and change. There were worn to the post, but those who went on guard were even worse.
  12. AAK
    AAK 24 January 2022 18: 55
    +4
    A normal article, far from the worst kind of troops, not the worst part, there are enough difficulties everywhere, except for the Arbat district ... The only drawback, but this is more for the portal moderators, you could still change the picture in the title of the article, instead of the American MX - "Peeskyper", what thread to depict our vigorous loaf
  13. RVKICU 71
    RVKICU 71 24 January 2022 19: 07
    -3
    Another nonsense of a person who has no idea about serving in the Strategic Missile Forces. There have never been divisions in the OS shelf
    1. Bez 310
      Bez 310 24 January 2022 19: 28
      +5
      Quote: RVCIKU 71
      in OS shelf

      And what is an "OS regiment"?
      The author forgot to tell us, we have to collect information from readers.
      1. Nikon O'Conor
        Nikon O'Conor 24 January 2022 19: 43
        +6
        OS - a separate start, i.e. units with silo launchers where the 1st missile division has its own Command Post and Reserve Command Post. A certain degree of autonomy to launch.
        1. Bez 310
          Bez 310 24 January 2022 19: 46
          +3
          Quote: Nikon OConor
          where in in the 1st missile division

          I can not understand...
          Translate to "non-rocket", please.
          1. Nikon O'Conor
            Nikon O'Conor 24 January 2022 19: 50
            +3
            Sorry, I wanted to write "in the 1st regiment", but the division would be more correct. in a division there are usually 2 such regiments. The regiment in the positional area of ​​\u1b\u4bwhich the command post is located and the regiment in which the Reserve command post is located (we had the XNUMXst and XNUMXth regiments).
          2. Nikon O'Conor
            Nikon O'Conor 24 January 2022 20: 02
            +4
            Here is a more precise definition:
            "The missile regiment of the OS is capable of launching missiles of its DBK selectively from one or several launchers and simultaneously from all launchers, as well as launching missiles of other regiments of the division in the shortest possible time."
            Well, as I said, these are division regiments with command posts.
    2. Nikon O'Conor
      Nikon O'Conor 24 January 2022 20: 29
      +1
      Another nonsense of a person who has no idea about serving in the Strategic Missile Forces. There have never been divisions in the OS shelf

      Why are the wolves in the forest pissed off? (censorship). In a missile regiment (in any) there are at least 2 divisions. Otherwise, how would they step into the database? Or did you carry the database constantly without getting out of the guards?
      1. RVKICU 71
        RVKICU 71 24 January 2022 20: 58
        0
        The structure of the DC in the "OS" shelves. Numbers of combat calculations.
        This table shows the structure
        duty forces "OS" regiments.
        Data for the period of the late 80s, early 90s.
        If you find any inaccuracies, please let us know!

        --
        ------------fold line -------------

        # position rank note
        duty shift CP regiment
        1 KDS (commander of duty forces) p / p-kp-k regiment commander
        1 ZKDS (deputy commander of duty forces) k-nm-rp / p-k deputies of the regimental commander; com. groups
        2 Engineer at the CP l-tst. l-t
        3 Strengthening the combat shift when strengthening
        Duty change of communication, duty technical shift
        4 Technician ACS and ZAS pr-k
        5 Telephonist district
        6 Technician for ex. tech. pr-k systems
        7 Strengthening tech. shifts. when amplifying
        8 Electrician - Diesel Engineer
        9 Electrician - locksmith r-th
        RO (security calculations)
        10 Head of security calculation l-tst. l-t
        11 Deputy head of RO s-t
        12 Chief of the guard s-t
        13 Assistant chief of guard district
        14 Guard District
        Note: The Duty Shift (DS) of the regiment, the Duty Shift of communications, the Duty Technical Shift were on combat duty at the central (uterine) platform of the regiment. The calculation of support was constantly in position, but was not part of the DS.
        There, the BSP-5 was also located.
        On the central platform, in addition to the main forces, there was the 12th branch of the reinforced shift.
        The privates in the "strengthening" were engaged in the improvement of the site.
        In warm weather, painting, repair of structures. In winter, snow removal on the adjacent
        territory. From the composition of the "strengthening", the l / s was replaced with the BSP, in cases of illness
        and so on ...


        --
        Security crews (RO) consisting of 12, 13, 14 numbers went to the BSP of the regiment.
        Combat task of security calculation: ensuring the integrity of the perimeter
        combat launch pad (BSP).
        Detailed diagram of the BSP guard arrangement, combat posts,
        duty schedule l / s available at this link ..>>
        --
        On the central "uterine" platform of the regiment there was a platoon of protective equipment and fences of the VZZiO.
        The task of the unit: maintenance of technical security systems.
        (requires clarification)


        Calculation of support (he was not part of the duty forces of the regiment)
        Medical instructor - head of calculation.
        Cook - 2 people
        Driver mechanic.
        Driver - 2 people.


        The military rank in the formation of the shift on duty did not matter. The number on duty was determined by the position held.

        1st number - KDS

        - Deputy regiment commander for combat control (ZBU),

        - regiment commander

        - chief of staff,

        - deputy commander of the regiment for armaments (chief engineer),

        - Deputy regiment commander for political work (deputy commander)

        - in exceptional cases - the commander of the launch group (gruppenfuehrer :)



        1st number - ZKDS

        - senior engineer of the start-up group

        - launch team leader

        - deputy commander of the launch group



        2nd number

        - start-up engineer

        - senior engineer of the start-up group

        - deputy commander of the launch group for political work

        from regiment control:

        - weapons engineer

        - safety engineer

        - party secretary

        - secretary of the Komsomol

        - propagandist

        (From available information on the Internet)
        1. Nikon O'Conor
          Nikon O'Conor 24 January 2022 21: 57
          +1
          Yes, everything is so you painted, but you did not specify that all these numbers are divided into 2 shifts, i.e. 2 divisions that change each other once a week. I served in the second division and my commander was
          - deputy commander of the launch group
          Lieutenant Colonel Musin. The KDS of the first division was the Zamaruev regiment itself, but more often he interceded on the database
          deputy commander of the regiment for armaments
          Lieutenant Colonel Popov
    3. Alexey RU64
      24 January 2022 21: 00
      0
      Man, are you normal? It is called the preparation and launch division. And in the SPU there is a missile division.
  14. O. Bender
    O. Bender 24 January 2022 19: 40
    +2
    Yes, but not sugar. It was easier for me, I’m talking about the Air Defense Forces, more precisely. in the division, then the database is at the neighboring channel, then there is a malfunction on my equipment, then at the neighbors), as a captain in the position of head of the department, everything is the same, plus the outfit on duty for the unit or responsible for the division, but I didn’t go on guard anymore. Full-fledged weekends two in a month is almost normal. Becoming a battalion commander, then commander of the zrdn, there was more time for the family. Although there were some troubles. serve again.
    1. Cossack 471
      Cossack 471 24 January 2022 20: 44
      +1
      Kamrad You wrote about me. He served in the North. Fishing brigade. on S-75 Out of 5 years, I haven’t been home for exactly a year. then in the SBR. then in an outfit
      1. O. Bender
        O. Bender 25 January 2022 06: 02
        +2
        Greetings to my colleague, S-200Vega, a group of divisions, there were still three S-75s in the regiment.
  15. Wildcat
    Wildcat 24 January 2022 20: 14
    +4
    hi
    Ukrainians now take tours of the mines, talk about the "combat mode", the keys in red and blue cases and the "fun button" that is not red ... the elevator and other interesting things are also clearly visible.
    1. Stepan S
      Stepan S 24 January 2022 22: 50
      +3
      Ukrainians now lead tours of the mines

      By the way, a good video, he told well what and how it happened. All military secrets revealed. I watched it twice)
  16. Bez 310
    Bez 310 24 January 2022 20: 45
    +6
    Question to those who know this service from the inside.
    Is it really as bad as this officer wrote in the article and some readers added in the comments? What, in the most holy branch of the military such a mess?
    Even if half of all this is true, then this is a terrible horror!
    Where are we good then?
    1. Sergey Valov
      Sergey Valov 24 January 2022 21: 11
      0
      “Where are we good then?” - on the Arbat, and in similar places in Moscow. good There was a very calm service in the academies (I'm not talking about students and cadets). Most believe that getting to serve in Moscow is happiness, but not everything is so simple. Father was called up in 1944 from Moscow, in 1967 he was transferred there to the headquarters of the district. But - without providing housing, which he never received from him (and this is after a three-ruble note in the garrison). The four of us lived in a room in a communal apartment, which was given to us by his father, my grandfather. The service consisted of constant business trips to regiments and training grounds - on average, twice a month for a week. My father is in his 44s, and so is my mother. He retired in XNUMX with the note "limited fit in wartime."
    2. Nikon O'Conor
      Nikon O'Conor 24 January 2022 22: 02
      0
      Yes, not everything is so bad, everyone has freelances and hardships, we just write about what we remember the most, and you know what situations are remembered most clearly))
    3. Stepan S
      Stepan S 24 January 2022 22: 51
      -1
      Even if half of all this is true, then this is a terrible horror!
      Where are we good then?

      I just overcame envy after your articles and decided to shed tears about my hardships and hardships, only it somehow sounds from the lips of a military man in a kindergarten way.
      1. Bez 310
        Bez 310 24 January 2022 22: 55
        +3
        Quote: Stepan S
        about their hardships and hardships

        I am very frightened that the author transferred all these "hardships and hardships" to the Strategic Missile Forces, where everything should work "like clockwork", and they walk 5-10 km in the snow, constant "processing", and the rest is nonsense. I don't even know what to think about our army now...
        1. Alexey RU64
          24 January 2022 23: 10
          +1
          Imagine that this is only a tenth of the whole truth. Yes, only they told me at the academy, but who needs your truth?
          1. Bez 310
            Bez 310 25 January 2022 07: 55
            +2
            Quote: Alexey RU64
            Imagine that this is only a tenth of the whole truth.

            I imagine all this perfectly, so I'm even more scared. And what about the command? Does everyone really know everything, and are silent, or are they deceiving the country's leadership?
            1. Alexey RU64
              25 January 2022 11: 05
              +1
              If you are talking about snow and so on, then the situation has improved a lot, as for the attitude of the authorities, then the rank of colonel is a kind of metamorphosis with people and they simply destroy others. For example, I personally heard the division commander allow himself to say to a senior officer that it would be better if your father finished in a fist than in your mother. And I wasn't the only one who heard it. So what? Never mind. Another case. The lieutenant colonel, who was indignant at the bestial attitude, was simply transferred to another division, former colleagues told me about this. The deputy commander of the division drives on additional classes on Sunday officers from among those who take up combat duty and closes the training corps with a key, and he leaves and arrives at 14.00. Write about it? I'm afraid the article will simply not be missed. I was asked by colleagues to write a book about the mess, but there is no particular desire, why scare people? Many people just won't believe it. And because of my character, they transferred me to another regiment, because I was not silent. They rotted me in every possible way, forced me to give physicals an extraordinary time and my entire division, in order to restore against me, they didn’t let me close for a year and a half, there are the number of days a year, they didn’t give days off, they encouraged my subordinates against me, they specially paid more bonuses to my deputy than to me. In general, the whole spectrum of administrative resources. I myself am to blame for this, because I was not restrained in my language and openly resented the bestial attitude, but there is no point in writing about this. So yes.
              1. Bez 310
                Bez 310 25 January 2022 11: 50
                +4
                Quote: Alexey RU64
                I'm afraid the article will simply not be missed.

                Maybe it's time to stop being afraid?
                Write about painful things, how it was, and how it should have been done, perhaps your memories will come in handy for someone.
                1. Alexey RU64
                  25 January 2022 12: 28
                  0
                  If I knew how to do it... One thing pleases, the current lieutenants immediately declare that we are not going to be slaves and are leaving. Now they beckon with a ruble, but contract soldiers do not serve for a long time, they can not stand it. Officers up to preferential 20 and from the beach. And the civilian comrades, when I received a penny, laughed and despised poverty, and when I began to receive a hundred, they began to envy and shout that we are all freeloaders. As you can see from the comments.
                  1. Bez 310
                    Bez 310 25 January 2022 13: 27
                    +3
                    Quote: Alexey RU64
                    If I knew how to...

                    So after all, only those who have served for 30 years know how to do it. Not theorists at the Academy, but those who spent their entire service in the army. It is they who know how many and what kind of vehicles are needed for transportation and clearing, how to more rationally organize the intercession to the database, how much rest after the database should be, so as not to the detriment of the service and for the benefit of the body. Why do pilots have flight and rest quotas, while the Strategic Missile Forces have no duty and rest quotas? You know better how best to arrange everything for the benefit of people and the business that I teach you ...
                    1. Alexey RU64
                      25 January 2022 13: 45
                      -1
                      Yes, all this has been there since the times of the USSR, but no one does it. That's all.
                2. Old Michael
                  Old Michael 25 January 2022 13: 58
                  +2
                  Hello Michael!
                  Write about painful things, how it was, and how it should have been done, perhaps your memories will come in handy for someone.


                  The Author should not write about painful things, because, apparently, his whole body hurts, and the service is not to blame.
                  Firstly, the OS regiments are revered as sanatoriums in the Strategic Missile Forces. Those who transferred to the OS from the PGRK, especially being more or less commanders and chiefs, piss with boiling water with happiness. The conditions and mode of service are simply incomparable.
                  Secondly, regarding the "mess". I believe that in one way or another it is present in any army in the world and in any type / type of troops. In essence, these are the omissions of specific commanders, and not a pathological defect in the organization.
                  Here, for example, is a full-blooded division of five regiments. Three regiments serve, although not without individual quirks, but on the whole - smoothly. In another regiment, the morale is below the baseboard, constant squabbles between officers, combat readiness is under threat. The commander of the regiment drove - "Plasticine". A new NSh regiment is appointed, a young, energetic and purposeful captain, without an academy, who immediately became a major ahead of schedule (in general, this is nonsense, but it happened). The regiment is transformed in six months, takes the lead, no squabbles.
                  Another regiment is quite combat-ready, but sins with drunkenness and fornication, constantly causing heavenly punishment to the entire officer community from the political department. The commander's nickname is "Petya the gonorrhea". Is it necessary to say what has changed in the regiment with the change of commander?
                  And, by the way, often the mess is created just by pessimists-mourners, who are not happy about everything, but it doesn’t even occur to them to try to change something - it’s much easier to whine!
                  And the rocket strategists have fun and funny stories through the roof! BUT! Wherever you spit, you will find yourself in something very secret. And it is often impossible to get around these uncomfortable topics without losing the meaning of the story. That is why rocket men amuse themselves with memoirs and jokes in a narrow circle.
                  Yours faithfully,
                  hi
                  1. Bez 310
                    Bez 310 25 January 2022 14: 47
                    +4
                    Quote: OldMichael
                    Secondly, regarding the "mess".

                    Yes, everything in the Army and Navy depends on specific people.
                    Quote: OldMichael
                    A new NSh regiment is appointed, a young, energetic and purposeful captain, without an academy,

                    My brother was assigned to the NSh of the Aviation Regiment abroad in the frenzied rank of "captain" without an academy, so this "nonsense" is familiar to me.
                    1. Old Michael
                      Old Michael 25 January 2022 14: 53
                      +1
                      this "nonsense" is familiar to me

                      For the Strategic Missile Forces, this seems to be an isolated case in general.
                      hi
                      1. Bez 310
                        Bez 310 25 January 2022 15: 02
                        +2
                        Quote: OldMichael
                        For the Strategic Missile Forces, this seems to be an isolated case in general.

                        For foreign regiments - too.
                        There was one more "peppercorn" in the promotion of this captain - before being appointed to the post of the NS regiment, he had 10 days of cadet arrest, a court of officer honor, 3 days, 5 days, and another 3 days of officer arrest. In general, a very interesting combat path ...
                      2. Old Michael
                        Old Michael 25 January 2022 15: 26
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                        There was another "peppercorn" in the promotion of this captain

                        Probably, he had less dogging with political officers! laughing
                      3. Bez 310
                        Bez 310 25 January 2022 15: 30
                        +1
                        Quote: OldMichael
                        Probably, he had less dogging with political officers!

                        Yes, he simply did not join the party until the age of 28, he was a bachelor, there was nothing to catch him for. And he even flew in the crew of the political officer of the squadron, why would he have problems in his own crew, so he didn’t pester.
                      4. 2 Level Advisor
                        2 Level Advisor 26 January 2022 12: 08
                        +1
                        Well, the captain of the NSH regiment is, of course, nonsense .. who is his dad? we put a captain in the division commander (the year after I received the rank) - and that was - very cool .. now the divisional commander, by the way, general .. and with such a start as your captain, it already looks like an army commander ...
                      5. Old Michael
                        Old Michael 26 January 2022 12: 15
                        0
                        already looks like a commander of the army ...

                        Take it higher.
                        But now he is already in the military-industrial complex in a very decent orbit.
                  2. Alexey RU64
                    25 January 2022 19: 37
                    -3
                    Listen, I served in all types of regiments, even in the PBU. You live in completely different memories.
                    1. Old Michael
                      Old Michael 25 January 2022 19: 51
                      0
                      You live in completely different memories.

                      Why the memories. I still have the opportunity "in nature" to observe all this. And in the last twenty-five years - not only the Strategic Missile Forces (in fact, he served in the Strategic Missile Forces only fifteen out of almost forty).

                      I served in all types of regiments

                      Permian? Kostroma?
                      And don't mention PBU. hi
                      1. Alexey RU64
                        26 January 2022 14: 49
                        -2
                        I was on a business trip in Perm. And you seem to be an RTB worker, and then you moved to GUMO 12 and work at a military plant. Although what's the difference, I'm, for example, just an unemployed pensioner at 47 years old. It is worth writing a separate article about finding a job in the regional center. Yes, only I know what comments will already be. So the nerves are more expensive.
                      2. Old Michael
                        Old Michael 26 January 2022 16: 25
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                        And you seem to be an RTB worker, and then you moved to 12 GUMO and work at a military plant
                        .
                        And you seem to be even worse with imagination than with logic! hi
                      3. Alexey RU64
                        26 January 2022 22: 06
                        -4
                        To be honest, I wanted to answer harshly, and then I thought why cling to the poor. Is it the writer's bad imagination? Everything is in order with logic and imagination. So, goodbye dear comedian.
                      4. Old Michael
                        Old Michael 26 January 2022 23: 10
                        0
                        Minus you. And not so much for rudeness, but for disrespect for my native and our state language, writer.
                      5. Alexey RU64
                        27 January 2022 11: 32
                        -3
                        Accepted! I have a rating of minus 14000 on this site. Rudeness always respond to the pathos of the audience. No need to consider yourself smarter than others and subtle jokes with bold hints frankly tire me. And as for rudeness, not everyone knows where to soar. This is the second time I've come across people who carefully hide themselves, but at the same time allow themselves to delve into the biographies of others. Therefore, I don’t consider it necessary to be tolerant, it’s better to be a boor than ... well, I think you have already formed an opinion about yourself.
              2. Nikon O'Conor
                Nikon O'Conor 31 January 2022 06: 57
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                and my whole division to rebuild against me

                if you are a good officer, your soldier will never go against you.
                So the extra physical hardly helped your "opponents"))
        2. O. Bender
          O. Bender 25 January 2022 06: 09
          +2
          On alert, readiness # 1, being the head of a shortened combat crew, the arrival time at the workplace is 15 minutes. The distance from the town is 3 km, summer autumn spring is normal, and in winter there were no paths, let alone roads. But they managed even from the position of the wife from below.
    4. Old Michael
      Old Michael 25 January 2022 14: 03
      0
      Where are we good then?

      Where there were no such comrades as the author. hi
  17. Emergency
    Emergency 24 January 2022 21: 07
    +2
    It's nice there where we do not exist. winked Service everywhere is not honey. No wonder they joked that it was hard to serve for the first 25 years. Then you get hooked.
  18. Stepan S
    Stepan S 24 January 2022 22: 44
    -6
    Five sheets of tears from a lieutenant colonel who, for some unknown reason, served and suffered so hard? If you served, so cry, but if you want to tell, then don’t smear these snot on the keyboard - how hard it was for me ..
    1. Alexey RU64
      24 January 2022 23: 08
      +6
      God, there's bound to be someone to pick it up and screw it all up! They write to you as everything is, and you see only what you yourself want to see. Well, you are not ashamed at all, you are not humiliating me, but yourself! Or do you think that if someone wrote something, then you have the right to slander him? It's just the level of your culture and that's it.