So against whom is the fleet of the new Ottoman Empire being built?

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Let's digress from the events in Kazakhstan, although during their discussions "suddenly" another geopolitical player appeared on the world stage. Which is also indirectly involved in the Kazakh events.

Our urchin, the coming Sultan of the Ottoman Empire, Recep Tayyip Erdogan, who clearly still dreams of the New Ottoman Empire (from the Red Sea to the Arctic Ocean) and (naturally) the throne of the Sultan of the Empire, is ripening everywhere.



If you look closely at what kind of foreign policy Turkey is pursuing, it becomes clear that another not just a predator, but rather a toothy beast with ambitions, has been jumping on the world stage for a long time.

Ambitions are supported by a very decent military-industrial complex, capable of satisfying all the demands of the military.

And the military does not sit idly by. They are fighting the Kurds in Iraq and Syria, almost openly defending Idlib, which can be said to be that hotbed of terrorism, they are present with supplies weapons and advisers in Libya, advise Kazakhstan, are friends with Azerbaijan with might and main. Oh yes, we should not forget about the occupation of Northern Cyprus since 1974.

Pretty active. And in NATO in good standing. The second largest army in the alliance.

Today we will look at the Turkish fleet.


This is a very interesting phenomenon that makes you think and ask a number of questions, the first of which is why does Turkey need such a fleet at all?

There is no doubt that Turkey is a maritime power. Black and Mediterranean seas plus straits. Naturally, warships are needed to protect the coasts and economic zones, control the Bosphorus and the Dardanelles.

The Turkish Navy has 165 warships and boats. 16 frigates, 10 corvettes, 16 patrol ships, 12 submarines, 11 minesweepers, 33 landing craft and boats, 18 missile boats and 33 patrol boats.

Doesn't that seem like a lot? Especially in terms of landing craft?

The total displacement of ships of the main classes is 88 tons, which is quite a lot. For comparison, the German fleet, which performs approximately the same tasks, but on a smaller coastline, has 500 submarines, 6 frigates, 12 corvettes, 5 minesweepers, 19 auxiliary ships with a total tonnage of 28 tons.

The Black Sea Fleet of Russia has 1 missile cruiser (old), 5 frigates (2 old), 6 submarines, 6 minesweepers (3 old), 10 missile ships and boats (6 old). Total tonnage of warships fleet about 67 tons.

There are also a lot of old ships in the Turkish fleet. These are, for example, 8 frigates of the Oliver Perry type, built in the USA in the 80s of the last century. Or the former French corvettes of the D'Estienne d'Orves type, built even earlier, in the 70s.

However, Turkey is actively building its new ships. And he does it quite successfully. A striking example is submarine forces. The Turkish submarine fleet consists entirely of submarines designed and even partially manufactured in Germany. The final completion is made in Turkey.

Submarines of the type "Atylau"


These are German Project 209 boats. Patrol submarines of the coastal zone, quiet and with very decent performance so far. Today, 4 boats out of 6 original boats remain in the fleet.

Prevese-class submarines

So against whom is the fleet of the new Ottoman Empire being built?

These are project 209T boats, modernized. 4 units.

Gur-class submarines


Project 209T2 boats. More modern (2003-2007 years of construction).

In general, in general, the German project 209 turned out to be very, very successful. The boats are just perfect for service in coastal shallow areas, low noise and small in size. A little autonomy is not a disadvantage, since the waters of the Black, Aegean and Mediterranean seas are not so large, and the Aegean Sea, in which there are many islands, is especially suitable for the use of these small boats.

In addition to the main armament of eight 533-mm torpedo tubes, Project 209 boats can easily spit the Harpoon in its underwater modification.

214 type submarines


Six new generation submarines will be built on the basis of the German project 214TN. The project was developed specifically for Turkish requirements. The first boat of the series has already been launched, the rest should be in operation by 2027.

Boats will have to have greater autonomy, and seaworthiness will also improve. 4 out of 8 torpedo tubes can launch the Harpoon anti-ship missiles.

However, Germany has already delivered boats of this project to Greece and South Korea. Not everything is as beautiful as promised, the boats have a lot of shortcomings that require improvements, the buyers were especially puzzled by the noise level, which turned out to be much higher than promised. There is a need for improvements in tightness.

However, by the level of 2027, the Turkish fleet will have 18 submarines, of which 10 will be new or almost new.

Surface forces


Here, the work on the new Anadolu UDC is interesting, with which a decent scandal with consequences is associated.


The ship is interesting in that it can be used as a UDC, and can be turned into a light aircraft carrier. The design of the Spanish aircraft carrier Juan Carlos I was taken as a model. "Anadolu" has a good defensive air defense (by the way - completely Turkish production) and the prospect of becoming the flagship of the Turkish fleet.

With this (these) ship (considering that there are plans to build a second such ship, Trakia), Turkey could generally enter the elite club of countries with aircraft carriers, but alas.

As a light aircraft carrier, Anadolu could have used the F-35В, but alas, after the purchase of the Russian S-400 systems, Turkey was deleted from the list of buyers of this aircraft. So plans to build an aircraft carrier will have to be abandoned. However, Anadolu and Trakia will be able to carry helicopters (12 units) and Droneswith which Turkey has no problems.

Yavuz frigates


These are well-known German frigates of the MEKO 200 type. There are 4 of them in the Turkish fleet, 2 were built in Germany, 2 already in Turkey itself. A balanced ship that is in service in several countries. American radar weapons, AN / SPS-49. The predecessor of Aegis is very, very good even today. But in general, the ships require replacement as obsolete, since they have been in service since the 80s of the last century.

Frigates type "Barbaros"


An improved MEKO project built in the late 90s of the last century. They were also built out of order, 2 in Germany, 2 in Turkey.

Frigates type "G" or "Gabya"


These are American frigates of the Oliver Perry class. The United States sold ships built in the 28s to Turkey at a similar price (about $80 million) at the beginning of the XNUMXs. The low cost of frigates was explained by the fact that the zealous Americans removed from the ships all military equipment that was of at least some value.

The Turks immediately carried out modernization by installing a CICS of their own production, adapted the deck of the ships (these were frigates of the “short” series, with a smaller flight deck) to receive S-70B Seahawk helicopters, and installed their weapons.

Four frigates were specialized as air defense ships. They installed PU Mk.41 on eight cells for RIM-162 and RIM-66E-5 missiles. Control computers and radars were completely replaced.

Four other frigates became attack ships. In addition to electronic equipment, they installed the Mk.13 Mod 4 launcher, from which you can launch both RIM-66 anti-aircraft missiles and Harpoon anti-ship missiles. The standard store of the installation holds 4 anti-ship missiles and 36 missiles.

It turned out to be very serious ships for their displacement (4200 tons). It is the Turkish "Americans" who are the main striking force of the fleet and participants in all military operations from the blockade of Libya to Somalia.

Frigates of the type "Istanbul"



Without stopping there (meaning the complete reworking of the Olivers Perry and the modernization of the Yavuz), the Turks are working on the promising project TF-2000 (Turkish Frigate-2000). As part of the MILGEM project, four frigates of type "I" (ISTIF) or "Istanbul" are being built. The first ship of the series will have to enter service in a year or two, and launched in 2021.

This is a ship completely created in Turkey and equipped with Turkish systems. The heart is the GENESIS ADVENT CICS, which other ships are also equipped with.

The ships are well armed: 1 x 76-mm and 2 x 25-mm artillery, Aselsan GOKDENIZ CIWS anti-aircraft gun mount of 35 mm caliber, 16 Atmaca anti-aircraft missile launchers, 2 universal UVP MDAS for 8 cells each, in cells, of course, you can load anything from anti-aircraft missiles to Tomahawks. Plus two twin-tube 324-mm torpedo tubes. Naturally, a helicopter and drones.

As in any normal fleet, coastal patrols and anti-submarine defense are assigned to corvettes.

Burak-class corvettes



French built ships, export variant called "D'Estienne d'Orves". The boats have earned a reputation for being easy to operate and very reliable. In addition, they are quite well armed: a 100-mm gun, two 20-mm anti-aircraft guns, anti-submarine bombs and torpedoes, and even two Exocet anti-ship missile systems. More than enough to solve the problems of coastal defense.

In general, Turkey bought imported ships, including in order to plug holes in its own production, which worked for promising ships of the future. And such ships eventually went into series.

Hell-class corvette


It was created within the framework of the same MILGEM program, which was supposed to equip the Turkish fleet with domestically produced ships. Happened.

The corvettes will replace the French-made ships, and there will also be eight of them.

These are corvettes quite well equipped for anti-submarine (and not only) defense. 76-mm gun, two 12,7-mm machine guns, 2 launchers for 4 Harpoon anti-ship missiles each, Mk.49 RAM launcher for 21 RIM-116 anti-aircraft missiles, two 324-mm twin-tube torpedo tubes, S-70B helicopter " Seahawks.

For a ship with a displacement of 1524 tons - luxurious. The cruising range and autonomy are small, but this is not necessary for a coastal ship.

Plus, the corvette turned out to be very inexpensive with such tricks. The capabilities of Turkish combat electronics were appreciated by Pakistan, Ukraine and Indonesia, which have already ordered these ships.

Turkey's military shipbuilding program continues to develop. Erdogan's apparently ambitious goals require appropriate reinforcements, and a strong navy is one component.

Therefore, work is underway in the country to create a new destroyer and patrol ship for the DMZ. To ensure the proper level of air defense systems of new ships, a new generation multifunctional radar with an active phased array (CAFRAD project) is being created. To ensure the operations of Turkish ships at a distance from the bases (I wonder where and why?), a new supply vessel (project DIMDEG) is being created, which is capable of providing everything necessary for a monthly stay in the DMZ of four warships of the Turkish fleet.

The only question that arises is: where and in what distant seas are such actions of the Turkish Navy planned? For the Black and even the Mediterranean Seas, supply vessels of such a plan are absolutely not required, and sea patrol ships, too. And to protect the coast and the straits, the Turkish Navy has everything you need.

Given the construction of frankly non-defensive UDC along with other classes of ships, it turns out that Turkey sees itself in the future not only as a maritime power that controls its straits and coasts, but clearly claims more. That is, for a more active participation in the life of the maritime community.

Moreover, Turkey has everything for this: the shipbuilding industry demonstrates the ability to build ships of various classes, including large-tonnage ones. The Turkish military-industrial complex has practically solved the problem of equipping ships with domestically produced weapons.

In general, today the Turkish fleet seems to be a balanced and combat-ready coastal defense fleet with a sufficient number of ships of various classes and a developed coastal basing and maintenance structure. But in the future, there is a desire to play at a higher level.


So far, the only disadvantage of the Turkish fleet is that Turkish air defense systems and anti-ship missiles have a frankly short range, from 50 to 120 km. The hope of the Turkish fleet tomorrow is to develop its own Atmaka anti-ship missiles, the range of which is planned in the region of 350 km.

The dynamics of the development of the Turkish fleet, coupled with a very peculiar foreign policy of a selfish pan-Turkic persuasion, cannot but make one think about who will be in the sight of the Turkish fleet if Erdogan's excessive ambitions are realized.

It is very difficult to say exactly where the ambitions of the Turkish leader will lead the Turkish fleet, but it is possible. The Mediterranean Sea will definitely not be in Turkey's sphere of interest, since the maps of Erdogan's imaginary Ottoman (Pan-Turkic) empire include lands to the east.

And the Mediterranean Sea itself will be able to control the fleets of Italy and France, which, like Turkey, are part of NATO. And while these two fleets (you can add the Spanish to them) are quite capable of solving any tasks of blockade of some coast or strikes on the territories of third countries.

There is also the Greek fleet. Greece is also a member of NATO, but for some reason it is with Turkey that the Greeks have constant incidents, if not clashes. However, Greek problems do not worry us much, since these two countries are still brothers in NATO. And, in which case, the leaders of the bloc will besiege them.

More interesting is the Black Sea region, where Turkish interests at a certain time can easily overlap with Russian ones. Moreover, given the suddenly thawed Turkish-Ukrainian relations and Turkey's ambitions in the direction of some regions of Russia and other countries of the former USSR, everything is possible here.

Especially given the dynamics of the development of the Turkish fleet.


As one military specialist recently said (Viktor Baranets - ed.), we began to set conditions for NATO because we could afford it. The same can happen in the performance of Turkey, which sooner or later will also be able to afford territorial or ethnic claims.

For example, to the same Crimea. In Turkey, such thoughts are in the minds of some.

And here the question arises of the capabilities of the Black Sea Fleet as an instrument of deterrence. A very important tool.

Today, the KChF is still quite fit to restrain Turkey's ambitions with its presence and weapons. However, as you know, appetites come with eating.

It is difficult to predict what will happen tomorrow in our world, but it is a fact that after some time the KChF ships built 40-50 years ago will not be able to perform their functions properly.

Talking about the prospects for the development of the fleet on the Black Sea is a separate topic altogether, but in order to moderate the ardor of the new Ottoman sultan, it will be enough to build a sufficient number of missile launchers that can simply prevent Turkish ships from reaching our shores.

And on the shores there should be coastal-based anti-ship missile launchers, and also in sufficient quantities. A plus aviation.

The Black Sea Fleet and coastal forces must be updated in such a way as to surpass the capabilities of a potential adversary, which is Turkey. Especially considering that the Black Sea is not that big and its water area can be shot through in both directions just easily.

Today, the Turkish fleet is nothing more than an auxiliary component of NATO forces, but it is difficult to say where Erdogan's ambitions will lead the country. In any case, landing ships, of which Turkey has more than enough, and new ones are being built, are by no means a defensive weapon.

No one is now saying that a conflict and a Turkish landing in the Crimea is possible tomorrow. However, the opportunity itself is a good idea to keep in mind when drawing up strategic plans for the future. Just like that, no country has ever built a fleet.
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  1. -9
    20 January 2022 04: 24
    There are much more old ships in the payroll of the Turkish fleet than in the Black Sea Fleet ... What should they write off?
    Newly built ones will be replaced. Well, the fleet is not impressive yet.
    1. +6
      20 January 2022 08: 07
      Turkish fleet, part of the NATO fleet. It explains everything.
      1. +2
        20 January 2022 09: 48
        and Suez is not controlled until NATO - will they give it to the Turks?
        and Malta? Libya has already climbed.

        about Krim - where is the dough more in the Russian Federation or to the south and west of Turkey?
    2. +3
      20 January 2022 13: 16
      The Turkish fleet, at the moment, consists of junk collected from around the world. Given the number of enemies, his threat, specifically to Russia, is minimal. In addition to the ship's composition, one should not forget that Russia has a DBK on the Black Sea and, if necessary, can significantly increase it, both through the construction of new ones and through the transfer from other theaters. So, apart from Erdogan's exorbitant ambitions, there are no other threats. And will there be enough money in the Turkish budget to implement all of its Wishlist? The situation in the Turkish economy, to put it mildly, is deplorable.
      1. +2
        21 January 2022 10: 24
        The situation in the Turkish economy, to put it mildly, is deplorable.

        So we will help the brothers Turks!
        Let's rest with them for a couple of billion dollars, buy tomatoes, pay for passage through the strait.
        1. 0
          21 January 2022 13: 30
          A couple of lards and even heels will not help the Turks. Turkey has now entered into several "swaps" for 7 lard. It is interesting what they promised, even if the South Koreans "fell for" this bullshit)))
      2. -3
        21 January 2022 21: 11
        the author of the article is clearly a remnant of Soviet military propaganda. Turkey is not going to build a new Ottoman Empire. Turkey is taking its place in the new world order that is being formed in the post-pandemic period. All analysts in the world have been warning for two years that after the pandemic there will be a different world. geopolitics and world order will change. all exactly Russian analysts with their rotten Soviet roles. If someone is interested against whom Turkey is rearming like this, then they can calm down. This is not Russia. If the author of the article would be interested in the Turkish press, then he would understand against whom.
        1. 0
          21 January 2022 21: 58
          Turkey, or rather Erdogan, are trying to "lift the weight", which is clearly too tough for them. And it will end badly for them.
        2. +2
          22 January 2022 07: 37
          If the author of the article would be interested in the Turkish press, then he would understand against whom.

          What is this?

          "rotten Soviet role"?
        3. 0
          19 March 2022 02: 09
          Or maybe Turkey will fit for the next demilitarization. Analysts do not sleep, they think through all the moves.
  2. +9
    20 January 2022 04: 30
    Black Sea Fleet and Caspian Flotilla in 2030



    Plus a half-dead (if everything is as it is now) assault aviation regiment and a certain number of coastal missile systems.
    1. +2
      20 January 2022 05: 19
      Just like that, no country has ever built a fleet.
      Especially our eastern neighbors!
      1. +8
        20 January 2022 05: 51
        So against whom is the fleet of the new Ottoman Empire being built?
        no need to call them that ... otherwise they will like it.
        1. +2
          20 January 2022 14: 21
          Israel is one of the friendliest zuctan. Israel has a more than modest fleet, but the modesty of the fleet is offset by such weapons as the Rafael Seabreaker.
          radius 300 kilometers

      2. -8
        20 January 2022 13: 22
        A question of prestige))) troughs in the Bosphorus are very amusing with the hypertrophied pride of the newly-minted sultan))))
    2. -9
      20 January 2022 06: 38
      Quote: timokhin-aa
      Plus half dead

      Plus:
      The first silo-based stationary anti-ship missile defense system Bastion-S (up to 36 3M55 missiles) will be deployed in Crimea by 2020.

      And more:
      In 2022, it is planned to re-equip the Bastion complexes with the new Zircon hypersonic missiles, and then the range will increase to 1-1,5 thousand km.
    3. -10
      20 January 2022 10: 56
      Quote: timokhin-aa
      The Black Sea Fleet in 2030 ... Plus a semi-dead assault air regiment and a certain number of coastal missile systems.
      Where is the cruiser "Moscow"? Where are RTOs Karakurt and Buyany-M? Where are the Molniya missile boats? In 2030 they will be in service. It is necessary to count the number of anti-ship missiles that can be launched by carriers in one salvo. The Russian fleet wins the Turkish anti-ship missiles in terms of range. It should also be taken into account that the Crimean peninsula is our unsinkable aircraft carrier. Any weapons and aircraft from other regions of Russia can be quickly transferred there. Even coastal complexes shoot through the entire Black Sea. The Turkish fleet will be destroyed before it can go to sea. I am already silent about the Iskanders, whose missiles clearly exceed 500 km, aimed at military bases and ports in Turkey. In general, the situation is not at all the same as some "all-throwers" are trying to present here.
      1. +8
        20 January 2022 18: 30
        Where is the cruiser "Moscow"?

        In 2030? He will then be 50 years old.
        1. -1
          21 January 2022 10: 27
          Don't care. A ship can last a hundred years if proper care is organized and repaired not at the last moment.
          1. +3
            21 January 2022 10: 58
            Don't care. A ship can last a hundred years

            Or maybe not to serve. Do you know many warships in service that would now be 100 years old?
            if proper care for it is organized and repaired not at the last moment

            And how do you rate its current renovation schedule? Or do not care too?
            1. -2
              22 January 2022 07: 17
              Do you know many warships in service that would now be 100 years old?


              1. +2
                22 January 2022 14: 46
                For erudition, of course, plus but.
                "Commune" (until 1922 - "Volkhov") - marine support vessel Navy of the Russian Federation

                The question was
                Much do you know warships in the service of which would now be 100 years old?
                1. 0
                  22 January 2022 20: 19
                  The fact is that entire classes of ships are disappearing due to the fact that their combat mission simply disappears in a changing world. Remember the same battleships / dreadnoughts and so on. For a hundred years, tactics have changed, weapons have changed. This alone limits their lifespan.

                  If you step back from the contact "salt water + oxygen + metal, look at the B-52. They will soon be 100 years old.
                  1. +1
                    22 January 2022 22: 48
                    The fact is that entire classes of ships disappear due to the fact that their combat mission simply disappears in a changing world.

                    And why does this not apply to missile cruisers?
                    This alone limits their lifespan.

                    No, not only. No one cancels the physical obsolescence of both structures and equipment.
                    If you move away from the contact "salt water + oxygen + metal

                    Well, it's not easy for ships to do this.
                    B-52. They will soon be 100 years old.

                    No, not very soon...
                    Years of production 1952 - 1962
                    1. -1
                      23 January 2022 08: 54
                      No, not very soon...

                      Now, back to the question
                      How many active warships of construction 52-62 do you know?))
                      Z.s. rockets are today. Tomorrow they will no longer be relevant and the missile cruisers will depart.)

                      By the way, rockets have a much shorter shelf life.
            2. -1
              23 January 2022 12: 57
              Quote: alexmach
              In 2030? He will then be 50 years old.
              American aircraft carriers serve for 50 years. They would have served longer if the cost of repairs did not exceed all conceivable limits. But it is more profitable for the Americans to spend money on the construction of new aircraft carriers, i.e. purely financial issue.
              Quote: alexmach
              Do you know many warships in service that would now be 100 years old?
              The warships of Western countries have a limited modernization resource. It is easier for them to build a new ship than to invest in an old one. But Russia is the opposite. Soviet-built ships have a large modernization reserve, the hulls were built with a margin of reliability and durability. Even weapons - Soviet missiles - still pose a terrible threat to NATO ships.
    4. -5
      20 January 2022 12: 23
      Quote: timokhin-aa
      Black Sea Fleet and Caspian Flotilla in 2030



      Plus a half-dead (if everything is as it is now) assault aviation regiment and a certain number of coastal missile systems.

      Silly manipulation! Does the phrase "far sea zone" suggest an idea? Moreover, to drag the air regiment here and coastal complexes, do they also go to the DMZ? Swimming or rafting?
      1. 0
        20 January 2022 19: 20
        Quote: ioan-e
        Does the phrase "far sea zone" suggest an idea?

        When it comes to a through-shooting reservoir?
    5. -8
      20 January 2022 13: 21
      When we demonstrate the weakness of one side, it would be nice to demonstrate the strength of the other))) but only real, and not Erdogan's Wishlist. At this historical stage, the only real threat is the new German submarines, and even then, the cunning Germans, left all the critical technologies. Corvettes "Ada" are dangerous ships for country 404, but not for Russia. The Anadolu trough is just a big target, the second target is being built, but whether it will be completed is a big question. The situation in the economy is awful.
    6. -3
      20 January 2022 16: 25
      "a certain amount of DBK" is up to 16 DBK Ball with a total salvo of 128 X-35 missiles and up to 12 Bastions with a salvo of 24 P-800 i.e. we are talking about 152 missiles in a salvo .. yes .. "some"
  3. +9
    20 January 2022 04: 31
    The hope of the Turkish fleet tomorrow is to develop its own Atmaka anti-ship missiles, the range of which is planned in the region of 350 km.

    The declared range is full coverage of the Black Sea from Turkish coastal complexes. And almost the entire Eastern Mediterranean.
    The range is clearly not chosen from the ceiling.
    1. -6
      20 January 2022 13: 32
      And where did they get it from?))) The French and mattress covers have been making anti-ship missiles for 60 years already and their "exoset" and "harpoon" flies 200 - 250 km. And the Turks, who climbed down from the palm tree yesterday, today are making anti-ship missiles with a range of 350 km. That's when she will fly, if she flies, because there are very strong doubts. The state of the economy and the ban on the transfer of Western technology can bury not only the development of new types of weapons, but also Erdogan himself.
      1. +13
        20 January 2022 14: 05
        The French and mattress covers have been making anti-ship missiles for 60 years now and their "exoset" and "harpoon" flies 200 - 250 km.

        The Turks have long been making cruise missiles and anti-ship missiles of a similar range, more modern and technically advanced than those named, by the way, inconspicuous and with very advanced seeker.
        An example is the SOM rocket family manufactured by ROKETSAN and TÜBİTAK-SAGE.
        https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/SOM_(missile)
        1. -11
          20 January 2022 18: 53
          When, where and against whom were these beautiful mock-ups used?))) What engines are on them? Long-range anti-ship missiles are a very complex product, only "advanced" industry can do. This is not about Turkey
          1. +10
            20 January 2022 19: 12
            Stop writing nonsense.
            And who were Zircons, Granites, Mosquitoes and other Yakhonts used against? Are they not there either?
            Catfish have long been mass-produced, are in service in Turkey and Azerbaijan, in several varieties.
            what engines do they have?

            Have you tried reading the link?

            Kale KTJ-3200
            1. -8
              20 January 2022 19: 14
              Are these engines made in Turkey? Like the engines for "Bayraktar"?)))
              1. -10
                20 January 2022 19: 18
                P.S. I followed the link))) except for a set of general phrases, no specifics. Neither performance characteristics, nor the timing and volume of production. In general, nothing, except that he seems to "exist in nature." If the Turkish anti-ship missiles fly on such an engine, then the Black Sea Fleet can sleep peacefully)))
                1. +2
                  21 January 2022 11: 45
                  of course, there should have been reports with signatures and seals to lay out
                  1. -4
                    21 January 2022 13: 11
                    You can at least lay out the test results, you can even with a vidosik))) in terms of vidosiks, the Turks are great specialists)))
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      2. +3
        21 January 2022 03: 41
        Your information is outdated for a long time, the Americans already have the Tomahawk Block Va anti-ship missiles, with a range of more than 1,5 thousand km, in addition, they have SM-6 air defense / missile defense missiles, with a range of 460 km, with which they drowned the frigate during tests.
        1. -3
          21 January 2022 13: 11
          If sclerosis does not fail me - the "ax" of the CD DB, for completely different purposes.
          1. 0
            22 January 2022 09: 02
            The world does not stand still, and they already had an anti-ship modification of the Tomahawk, now they have it again.
            The previous generation of Block IV Tomahawks was as you write, and now they have begun to make a new generation of Block Va Tomahawks, these are anti-ship missiles and Block Vb KR for strikes against stationary targets, and they not only produce new ones, but also remake them from the previous generation.
            1. -3
              22 January 2022 09: 09
              "Ax" as anti-ship missiles, not the most reasonable solution. With its flight speed, while it flies 1,5 thousand km., The ship will have time to leave for another 20 - 30 miles. A missile defense / air defense missile drowned the ship at a distance of 460 km.? You don't confuse anything? Throw a reference, I haven’t heard of such a mattress feat, although I try to keep abreast of modern fashion trends.
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              2. -1
                22 January 2022 19: 22
                The Americans are not stupid at all, and unlike us, everything is in order with intelligence and target designation. The axes will be on the destroyers that are part of the AUG and Hokkai will be able to direct them, and regardless of the flight speed, not a single one of our ships or formations of ships will be able to repel the massive strike of these missiles.

                I didn’t write anywhere that they drowned a frigate at a distance of 6 km with an SM-460 rocket, I wrote that they drowned a frigate with a rocket that flies at 460 km, these are different things.
                Here is a link to the Wiki, where 460 km is indicated https://ru.wikipedia.org/wiki/SM-6
                But about the SM-6 itself https://www.raytheonmissilesanddefense.com/news/feature/sm-6-anti-surface-warfare
                And here about the new, hypersonic modification SM-6 Block 1B https://breakingdefense.com/2020/11/army-picks-tomahawk-sm-6-for-mid-range-missiles/
                1. -1
                  22 January 2022 20: 50
                  As for how good they are with reconnaissance and target designation, there is an excellent example - the Connecticut nuclear submarine, which costs almost three Baku lards))) is equipped with all the newest and best))) only the Chinese did not know this)))
                  1. 0
                    22 January 2022 22: 39
                    They simply have reconnaissance and target designation, but we simply do not have them.
                    And it’s better not to remember incidents in the Navy in general and with submarines in particular, we are ahead of the rest in this, despite the fact that our fleet is many times smaller than the American one.
                    1. -1
                      22 January 2022 23: 29
                      If there is, as in Connecticut, then we better not need it)))
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                      2. +1
                        23 January 2022 01: 45
                        Better like in Connecticut than like in Kursk
                      3. -1
                        23 January 2022 11: 51
                        Do you know what happened on the Kursk? Share
                      4. -1
                        23 January 2022 11: 52
                        R. S. I don’t see any connection between the Kursk and the mattress nuclear submarine.
  4. +1
    20 January 2022 05: 06
    Well, the Black Sea Fleet will obviously intensify. RTOs are being built, I think there will be 6 Buyan and Karakurt each. 12 mrk with uksk is a serious argument against ships with harpoons. Obviously, 6 2038x corvettes will be built for the Black Sea Fleet. The first one is likely to be released this year. There is an opinion that pieces 3 of the 22350 frigates will be just for the Black Sea Fleet. Plus in the ranks 6 depl. Considering that in any conflict with NATO or the Turks, we will be locked in the World Cup to keep ships of the 1st rank here in some serious number is not worth it. I would lay down 6 more dapl so that I could keep 3 things permanently in Tartus and not sculpt a hunchback with pseudo-repairs. Plus, for the Caspian Sea, I would have built another three RTOs. If you have 6 frigates, 6 corvettes 2038x, 2 cheetahs, 18 RTOs with uksk and 12 depl in the region, then nothing will shine on the Turks at the World Cup. Well, the Black Sea Fleet will not be released into the Mediterranean, so the squadron will have to be driven from the Northern Fleet in any case. That's where the first ranks should be based.
    Well, as for the weakness of our anti-submarine aviation, it is useless to grind it again. Until we get a base for new anti-submarine aircraft (for example, IL114), these newest aircraft will not be. request
    1. 0
      20 January 2022 07: 20
      Quote: g1v2
      Well, as for the weakness of our anti-submarine aviation, it is useless to grind it again.

      Everything is clear here. And if you try to deal with other people's submarines (if any) using the "Packages"? (As an option ...) Positioned with an effective weapon ...
      And in anti-submarine aircraft, more than one base plays a role ... Electronic content is no less important.
      hi
      1. 0
        20 January 2022 16: 33
        well, if the task is to search for the destruction of enemy depls in the black sea, then it’s better to think about anti-submarine boats .. based on the same Grachonka, make it a little larger, place a couple of TAs at 324 mm and put equipment
      2. -2
        20 January 2022 19: 09
        Yes, you can figure out a lot of things. The same dapl can deal with their colleagues. The trick is that aviation is not capable of patrolling a large area in a short time. If you have decent forces in the same Crimea, you can patrol the bulk of the World Cup. And the Turks, with their not the newest ones in the mass, will then have nothing to catch here.
        As for the electronic content, of course it is important, but if there is nothing to put it on, then it will lie in a heap on the shore. So far, we have been talking about two options - the A40 seaplane and the Il114-based plo plane. The second one is more correct. Simply because it will be built in large quantities for civil aviation and modifying a mass aircraft in a plane is much cheaper and more convenient than building a separate aircraft only for plane purposes. And since 2018, there has been no reliable information on the resumption of the a 40 project. What is there - xs.
    2. +7
      20 January 2022 07: 57
      Quote: g1v2
      . Obviously, 6 2038x corvettes will be built for the Black Sea Fleet. The first one is likely to be released this year. There is an opinion that pieces 3 of the 22350 frigates will be just for the Black Sea Fleet.

      Do you know how many corvettes and frigates are being built here?! Maybe by the 30th year they will build so much, but not earlier
      1. +5
        20 January 2022 18: 39
        I know how many we have built. The main problem was not to build a ship, but to bring the shipyard into such a state that it could build this ship. For example, the main problem of ASZ was the total debt burden. Her hand, from the money allocated for the construction of the first corvette, paid the loans and then asked for more money for the construction of the ship. And if it did not do this, then it would be bankrupt and it would not be able to build anything for a long time. Now its problems have been solved and it is actively building corvettes. If Perfectny was built for 11 years, then Tsydenzhapov was built already in 5. Again, we do not forget that the crisis of 15 years came at the time of construction, when all prices increased due to the growth of the dollar and contracts had to be revised and so on. Plus import substitution, when, in fact, we had to build a bunch of new production facilities. Now the bulk of these problems have been solved and the bottlenecks are being removed. Tch terms will decrease.
        In fact, in order for the terms and prices to decrease, you just need to build. And it is best to build in large series. An example is the states. How quickly they build the old mastered Berks and how much they tormented the zumwalt. We have the same situation with Depl. The same shipyard builds a Varsovian woman in 2 years, and Lada is tormented for years. Simply because the project has not been worked out in construction. They will master and build Frets in the same time as Varshavyanka.
        At the same time, you should not wear rose-colored glasses. Unfortunately, we will not be able to massively build surface ships and vessels in the way that the big Asian trio - the South Caucasus, Japan and the PRC - builds. Simply because we have only one modern shipyard comparable to Asian ones - Zvezda, and that one is still under construction until 27-28. To be visual. The Koreans built the same Mistrals at their French shipyard in 3 years. We will build our own fishing rod in the Gulf somewhere in 9-10 years. This is real, and not according to various statements by admirals. which do not represent the process of construction. A new project, a plant with no experience in the construction of such ships, moreover, which is in the process of putting in order and does not have the capabilities for a large-scale construction, kb, which has never designed such large ships. And even after embroidering all these places and working out the project without rebuilding the shipyard to modern Asian standards, we will not go out for a comparable time. But up to 5 years, it is quite realistic to reduce construction starting from the ship, so from the 4th.
        In principle, they have long been discussing the possibility of building in St. Petersburg instead of several old shipyards - a new one comparable to Zvezda. Moreover, the same Baltic Shipyard cannot build very large ships due to bridges. However, you can’t push it into the city center. No one will allow the existing workshops to be demolished, as they are all packed with orders. The construction of this shipyard outside the city was discussed, but so far it is not clear what will be decided. Moreover, the cost of such a shipyard will be comparable to the Star. But there, at least Sechin pays for the banquet, and he and Mikhelson provide orders. Rosneft and Novatek do not spare money. In theory, we should have a shipyard primarily for military orders. That is, either USC or the Moscow Region should pay for it, or there should be some kind of federal project. In general, we will see.
        1. -3
          21 January 2022 11: 27
          absolutely right, I have repeatedly written here that if we want a lot of ships, then we need to look at WHAT we can build, and not what we want, the same story with engines from Zvezda is indicative - they cannot give birth to a large series, but from the Kolomna fleet they turn up their noses , since they do not give extra 3 nodes
    3. +4
      20 January 2022 18: 38
      Obviously, 6 2038x corvettes will be built for the Black Sea Fleet. The first one is likely to be released this year. There is an opinion that pieces 3 of the 22350 frigates will be just for the Black Sea Fleet.

      Wow, you've gone too far with the numbers here.
      Of course, something will be built for the Black Sea Fleet, but with the current pace of construction, well, not as much as you wrote.
      3 frigates have not yet been built either for the Pacific Fleet or for the Northern Fleet, and you are already drawing a troika for the Black Sea Fleet in your imagination.
      6 corvettes is also not at all realistic. So far, only two have been discussed, and this is exclusively plugging holes. Corvettes get saturated if only the BF and Pacific Fleet at the moment.
      1. -1
        20 January 2022 18: 56
        Initially, 6 frigates were ordered for the Black Sea Fleet. So many were planned. But due to a break with dill and Zarya-mashproekt, I had to abandon the construction of the second troika 11356 for myself. But the fact that the Black Sea Fleet needs a second trio of frigates is obvious to everyone. They will build it. It is clear that this will be done when the production of power plants for frigates reaches a normal pace. At least for 2 frigates a year. In principle, the first power plant of its production has already been delivered to Golovko. Gradually, the construction of frigates will accelerate. Plus, now there is infa that ASZ will build its 6 frigates for the Pacific Fleet. Tch Severnaya Verf, after the completion of the construction of the first six for the Northern Fleet, can begin to build 3 pieces for the Black Sea Fleet.
        Corvettes too. For the Pacific Fleet, the ASSZ will continue to build them. The Northern Shipyard was supposed to build only 2 pieces 20385 for the Pacific Fleet. She will build corvettes for the Black Sea Fleet. Mercury is due to be handed over this year. Strict for sure next. Plus, there is a contract for the construction of 4 more 2038x corvettes on the SV. Surely it will be the Black Sea Fleet that will receive them. We'll see how many will be built. The bottlenecks are being opened, but the shipyards are inundated with orders. The same Northern shipyard, in addition to military orders, also builds trawlers. And civil orders are clearly a priority, because otherwise the customer will leave and next time he will order from another enterprise. In general, I would transfer the construction of 2038x corvettes to Yantar. And in the NE I would leave the construction of frigates. Not to say that Amber was so heavily loaded. There is no mass order for the BDK, the PM can master the construction of corvettes. Moreover, they also need to be built for the BF at least a couple.
  5. +3
    20 January 2022 06: 10
    Just like that, no country has ever built a fleet.

    It's just that neither "Balls", nor "Bastions" (Zircons are on the way), nor air defense systems, nor "strategists" are unfolding ... All Erdogan's ambitions in Crimea can remain with him, but his influence on Bulgaria, Ukraine, Romania (in order to stand with one foot in Europe for good reason) and Transcaucasia can (under certain historical and political events) spread ...
    Not by the Turkish fleet, nor by Erdogan himself, for now, Russia cannot be scared ... No one will use his ambitions against Russia - who needs the Caribbean Crisis-2 ...
    hi
  6. +2
    20 January 2022 06: 31
    We ourselves contribute to the development of the Turkish fleet. We place orders at the shipyards,, partners,,!
  7. -4
    20 January 2022 07: 44
    Don't mess with Russia. Understand - not too tough. But its former vassals in the region are slowly, slowly crushing.
    Erdogan rode well in the Balkans, well, it’s clear there is peace with Albania, and they are establishing relations with the Serbs.
    And then there’s something else, which is absolutely amazing, how he begins to be friends with Armenia. Regular flights, diplomats from both sides set up working groups to discuss rapprochement.
    I think the fleet is rather against Greece, there are a lot of controversial issues regarding offshore fields. Protection of oil and gas infrastructure facilities in the Mediterranean, and therefore support vessels to guard and rotate for weeks
    1. Eug
      +4
      20 January 2022 09: 05
      There, in the Eastern Mediterranean, they seem to have discovered a gas field claimed by Turkey and Israel .. although, as for me, the graters between them are still incredible, but if Turkey claims leadership in the Muslim world, then at some stage they are inevitable (with subsequent agreements)...
  8. +18
    20 January 2022 08: 06
    They have only one distinguishing feature in shipbuilding:
    - they don't build one corvette in 8 years.
    -They don't repair the same ships for decades.
    - They don’t have fires in unfinished ships ..
    And most importantly, they do not steal state funds that are allocated for the defense of the country ..
    1. 0
      20 January 2022 16: 36
      fire on Anadolu? they ended up dragging it out a lot because of the fire
      1. +4
        20 January 2022 16: 42
        Quote: Barberry25
        fire on Anadolu? they ended up dragging it out a lot because of the fire

        Well, firstly, this is the only case in at least 10 years. Secondly, several high-ranking officials were actually punished for this, and not just ordinary workers or shop managers ..
        You probably don’t need to be reminded how many such fires have been in Russia over the past 10 years ..
        1. 0
          20 January 2022 17: 12
          so they don’t have fires, or do they happen and you wrote tritely at first and then checked? The fact remains that if ships are being built, then there are fires there, whether it’s Turks, ours or Americans, the same amers have fires on 4 aircraft-carrying ships in a month were at a time .. and nothing
  9. +2
    20 January 2022 08: 38
    So against whom is the fleet of the new Ottoman Empire being built?
    This is the fleet, against whom the fleet is needed .. Russia and Turkey are "friends" well .. Would a friend dare, all of a sudden .. Who will they sell consumer goods to? And tomatoes? .. Yes, not against Russia ...
  10. -1
    20 January 2022 10: 32
    Quote: Roman Skomorokhov
    And on the shores there should be coastal-based anti-ship missile launchers, and also in sufficient quantities. Plus aviation.
    Why "should"? In fact, all this is already there.
    The Black Sea Fleet and coastal forces must be updated in such a way as to surpass the capabilities of a potential adversary, which is Turkey.
    Not this way. Why only the Black Sea Fleet? Why is the Russian Aerospace Forces not taken into account in the aggregate? Russia also has nuclear forces. Not to mention the effectiveness of any missiles that are superior to Turkish ones (including in range).
    tomorrow, a conflict and the landing of Turkish troops in the Crimea is possible.
    The ground forces of the Russian Federation, together with military equipment, will outnumber any ground troops that Turkey wants to land on the Russian coast.
    1. -1
      20 January 2022 17: 13
      because the opinion of topvar experts is that one fleet should be stronger than all the neighbors combined, such as the Black Sea Fleet should have the power of NATO and if anything, capture all the Black Sea countries in one person
      1. +2
        20 January 2022 19: 16
        This is logical. If there are no allies, then it is logical to independently be stronger than those whom you officially consider an enemy.
        Or not worth the bother.
        1. 0
          21 January 2022 11: 23
          only the proposal boils down to the fact that we have one fleet in one person should defeat everyone at once, this approach is not correct, since in fact then the whole country needs to dress in uniform and stand in the service all the time, although there is such a concept to solve such problems as the use of the entire potential of the army and navy, in other words, in the event of an aggravation, units from other military districts are used to reinforce.
        2. +1
          23 January 2022 12: 41
          Quote: Avior
          If there are no allies, then it is logical to independently be stronger than those whom you officially consider an enemy.
          You don't need to be stronger. Enough to effectively defend the coast to cause unacceptable damage to the attacking enemy. Unacceptable damage is such losses due to which the ongoing operation loses its meaning and it is more reasonable to stop it. Even despite the fact that the number of combat units the enemy may have more.
  11. +2
    20 January 2022 10: 49
    The Turks have no one to protect gas fields in the Black Sea, but the Aegean Sea with their Greek archipelagos and the Mediterranean with gas fields is a headache for Erdogan, which he treats by constantly bullying the Greeks. Do they have peace, friendship, chewing gum with Israel?
    1. +6
      20 January 2022 12: 10
      Quote: tralflot1832
      And with Israel they have peace, friendship, chewing gum?

      There are certain political differences. .but the Defense Ministry and intelligence are not cooperating most importantly .. Both have too many opponents in the region .. And both do not want to completely ruin relations to the point of open hostility.
  12. 0
    20 January 2022 11: 03
    Turkey’s fleet is not bad, but in order to determine its real strength and plans for the present, it is necessary to analyze its bases and the infrastructure of the naval bases. Then a complete picture will appear with the Turkish Navy and its plans for the near future.
    1. +6
      20 January 2022 12: 51
      And then it turns out that the main goal of the Turkish fleet is Greece. If the author does not know, then NATO membership did not prevent the Turks from seizing half of the island of Cyprus in 1974
      1. +4
        20 January 2022 14: 09
        If the author does not know, then NATO membership did not prevent the Turks from seizing half of the island of Cyprus

        I would like to draw your attention to the fact that the island of Crete is not part of Greece, it is a separate state.
  13. +4
    20 January 2022 11: 27
    The Black Sea Fleet of Russia has 1 missile cruiser (old), 5 frigates (2 old), 6 submarines, 6 minesweepers (3 old), 10 missile ships and boats (6 old). The total tonnage of the warships of the fleet is about 67 tons.
    - I don’t know, the author counted everything among the Turks, but with us “read here, don’t read here, fish was wrapped here” ... My tonnage in the Black Sea Fleet turned out to be more than 90 thousand tons ... hi
    1. 0
      20 January 2022 23: 50
      The author of "Turk"
  14. +4
    20 January 2022 12: 55
    Thanks to the author for an interesting article. Atmaca is called a rocket. Reads like Atmaja. Atmaja is a bird of prey. Hawk. hi
    1. +2
      20 January 2022 13: 16
      The article is honest, the nerds do not like it ...
      1. +1
        20 January 2022 22: 30
        True patriots of the Russian Federation have Israeli citizenship :) and this is not only on the forum, just look at TV. By the way, the leadership of the Russian Federation diligently helps the Turks by giving them construction contracts, nuclear power plants, cheap food (Turkey is the leader in food purchases in the Russian Federation), military technology and nuclear technologies.
        1. 0
          20 January 2022 22: 44
          Sarcasm is understandable :) Underestimation is fatal .....
          1. +2
            21 January 2022 08: 42
            There is no underestimation - the Turkish military-industrial complex is pumped up with the help of Israel to fight Iran, and the Israeli lobby in the Russian Federation covers this.
            1. +1
              22 January 2022 00: 26
              5 points. Then they will throw Israel, there are no friends in politics
  15. +1
    20 January 2022 15: 13
    The title is incorrect in the article! Need: "Why is the Turkish fleet being built"! hi
    And talking about the state and prospects for the construction of the Turkish fleet, make an assumption wink
    Now, as the author pointed out, the fleet is purely defensive, the emphasis is on 33 landing ships and UDC which are supposedly offensive forces, it was necessary to indicate what landing capacity of these ships (as I remember, there are not large ships, they are mainly needed for operations on the islands of the Ionian Sea and Cyprus of course). From this landing capacity, it is already possible to assess the threat to us, for example, since it is not there because the brigade (and this is the maximum) of the Marines is unlikely to capture the Crimea. The greatest threat is the submarines, but how can they threaten us? Prevent the deployment of the fleet in the World Cup and the Mediterranean, it is unlikely to attack ground targets with Ito Harpoons what
  16. +5
    20 January 2022 15: 15
    Beautiful article, Roman plus five. I’ll add from myself - the Turks are building a fleet all the time. When they finish, here you have Sinop, and Chesma, and Kaliakria and the straits ... I like the strait across Istanbul. Creative.
    Erdogan will achieve his goal, build a fleet, open the strait. Then three black colonels will come and tear off his mustachioed head. The Turks have a tradition. Don't believe? Read Wikipedia.
  17. +3
    20 January 2022 16: 17
    I recognize Roman from the first paragraph. and this is another 6 Buyanov, and by 2027 I should receive 2 corvettes and 3 frigates .. well, yes. about "And there should be coastal-based anti-ship missiles on the shores, and also in sufficient quantities" and we have something. DBK? There their density is very high even now, not to mention the fact that the Black Sea is completely shot through
  18. -2
    20 January 2022 19: 46
    Let the Turks fight with the Greek fleet for the disputed islands. And it will be interesting for us to see drinks
  19. 0
    21 January 2022 15: 19
    Quote: alexmach
    Don't care. A ship can last a hundred years

    Or maybe not to serve. Do you know many warships in service that would now be 100 years old?

    We have this bully
    https://ru.wikipedia.org/wiki/%D0%9A%D0%BE%D0%BC%D0%BC%D1%83%D0%BD%D0%B0_(%D1%81%D0%BF%D0%B0%D1%81%D0%B0%D1%82%D0%B5%D0%BB%D1%8C%D0%BD%D0%BE%D0%B5_%D1%81%D1%83%D0%B4%D0%BD%D0%BE)
    1. 0
      23 January 2022 15: 43
      Yes, no, no.
  20. 0
    21 January 2022 16: 13
    And to protect themselves, can the Turks? In addition, the creation of jobs that will constantly increase!
  21. 0
    21 January 2022 16: 28
    The author is trying to suck a non-existent threat out of his finger. Apparently he does not know about the problem of disputed islands in the Aegean Sea, about the plans of the Greeks to increase the territory of water to 12 miles, which will block the exit from black to the Mediterranean, about the problem of Cyprus, about disputes over the eastern Mediterranean.
  22. -2
    22 January 2022 00: 32
    The Turks cannot pull out a war with Russia on the Black Sea, and even if they wanted to, their economy would not be enough to build the required number of ships. They have real problems with Greece and because of Cyprus, and there are plenty of other problems. Nothing is said about landing ships, how much and what they can hold. Greece is quite tough for them, today's duty target.
    They will not attack our territory, they are like a small dog that can bite on a shoe, but will not bite hard, because it understands that in this case it will receive a blow of full force.
    Too much in the economic sense connects them with us, what is their profit in case of war?
    But do not forget about NATO, in which Turkey plays an important role, if they are ordered, they will go, but what for they build a bunch of their ships against us when there are partners?
  23. 0
    23 January 2022 17: 52
    Quote: alexmach
    Yes, no, no.

    Where did it go? sad
  24. -1
    24 January 2022 13: 11
    The current Turkish fleet was created for a simple purpose - to be much stronger than the fleet of Greece, Cyprus, Syria, and preferably Israel. Against these countries, the Turkish Navy poses a sufficient threat. But the leadership of Turkey does not stop, but continues to develop.
    I guess they want to achieve complete military dominance in their maritime region, except for the Black Sea (but only for a while). Then, using this military advantage, establish greater economic control over the region. This will bring more money to the treasury of Turkey. And with more resources, they can begin to implement the next phase of expanding and strengthening the fleet and air force to dominate the Black Sea already with Russia.
    At the same time, in all cases, the goal of the immediate start of the war is not set (a direct war with the same Greece or Russia will bring more losses than profits). Namely, that the gradual displacement by the power of the army, which is fixed economically and politically.
  25. 0
    21 February 2022 09: 07
    The problem of the Turkish fleet, like ours, is an extended maritime border relative to the territory and the fact that, like ours, this fleet is spread along this border.
  26. 0
    12 March 2022 14: 35
    And why is the name of the second UDC written "Trakia", if according to all the rules of pronunciation and geographical references it should be "Thrace"?
  27. +1
    April 17 2022 02: 24
    Quote: Volder
    Even coastal complexes shoot through the entire Black Sea. The Turkish fleet will be defeated before it goes to sea

    How cool and sad it is to read now such arguments of jingoistic patriots.
    I really hope that the patriots from our military elite will be swept away after the special operation. There will be professionals who can reason and plan based on real possibilities
  28. 0
    3 June 2022 21: 21
    The Turkish fleet is NOT very impressive. Here are the possibilities to build new ones and equip them yes.
  29. 0
    13 July 2022 18: 09
    [i] [/ i] Turkey is a maritime country and she wants to close her needs with her industry, any fleet and army is first the defense of the country ..