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Ex-NATO Secretary General announced the full readiness of Finland and Sweden to join the alliance

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NATO can accept Finland and Sweden into its ranks very quickly, since these countries meet all the necessary requirements for this. This statement was made by the former secretary general of the alliance, Anders Fogh Rasmussen.


Speaking on Finnish television, Rasmussen expressed the opinion that Finland and Sweden are fully prepared to join NATO and meet all the necessary requirements. According to him, if such a decision were made, then the adoption of these two countries would take "one night" and the very next day they would become members of the military bloc.

The topic of new countries' accession to NATO became very relevant after Russia put forward its demands to the United States on security guarantees, one of the key issues of which is Ukraine's non-entry into the alliance. Against this background, there were speculations that NATO is considering the issue of Finland and Sweden joining the alliance.

This was also confirmed by the current NATO Secretary General Jens Stoltenberg, who said that the entry of these two countries into the alliance would happen very quickly, but on the condition that they themselves express such a desire. Sweden has not yet commented on NATO's statements, but Finland has already spoken out, saying that Helsinki retains the possibility of joining the alliance, but does not plan to.

But Ukraine, which, unlike Finland, is very eager to join NATO and plans to join the alliance as soon as possible, does not meet the requirements for entry. There is no other way to explain the ignoring of Kiev's demands by Brussels. In recent days, although the West has been declaring the inadmissibility of Russia's demands that Ukraine not join NATO, not a single step towards the Ukrainians has been made there. According to many experts, NATO is not going to accept Ukraine into its ranks and, in which case, will exchange it for security guarantees from Russia.
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  1. military_cat
    military_cat 16 January 2022 09: 27
    -22
    NATO delivered an ultimatum not bad. The expansion was stopped - well, just my respect.
    1. Aerodrome
      Aerodrome 16 January 2022 09: 33
      -21
      Quote: military_cat
      NATO delivered an ultimatum not bad. The expansion was stopped - well, just my respect.

      red lines...
      1. alex neym_2
        alex neym_2 16 January 2022 09: 55
        0
        Don't you think that this is a direct indication of entering into Natya? Not even an invitation - "one night is enough"!
        1. Zoldat_A
          Zoldat_A 16 January 2022 10: 12
          +5
          Quote: aleks neym_2
          Not even an invitation - "one night is enough"!

          And the "bride" Sweden became a wife... Well, Finland too.

          What, by and large, is the difference - missiles at our border in Ukraine or missiles at our border in Finland? 150 kilometers to Leningrad, 800 to Moscow...
          1. yuriy55
            yuriy55 16 January 2022 10: 21
            +5
            Quote: Zoldat_A
            What, by and large, is the difference - missiles at our border in Ukraine or missiles at our border in Finland? 150 kilometers to Leningrad, 800 to Moscow...

            There is a sound idea about moving the capital to Siberia ... Maybe at least this will move the problem off the ground ...
            1. Zoldat_A
              Zoldat_A 16 January 2022 10: 35
              +8
              Quote: yuriy55
              There is a sound idea about moving the capital to Siberia...

              Why ruin the healthy moral climate of Siberian cities with the status of the capital? Let it be where it is. Moreover, in a global conflict, this is not of decisive importance. It will not be cavalry or even tanks that will fight.

              We must answer in such a way that, if our capital is three kilometers from the border, even then no one would have the thought of measuring this distance with anything.
              1. Vladimir Mashkov
                Vladimir Mashkov 17 January 2022 22: 48
                0
                Usually all Western retirees-pensioners grow wiser and begin to reason sensibly. But not the damned Russophobe and warmonger Rasmussen! negative
            2. Artemion3
              Artemion3 16 January 2022 11: 07
              +6
              You can even go not to Siberia, but to Yekaterinburg, a very good city.
            3. megadeth
              megadeth 16 January 2022 11: 10
              +9
              It’s not necessary to transfer the capitals, but the command posts of the Supreme High Command from which troops and weapons are controlled ... On the other hand, we have VZPU and PKP at almost all significant levels of strategic nuclear forces ... I don’t understand anything else, really in the geyropa they won’t understand what the FSA is pushing them to the next, maybe the last bloody (and there will be no blood, immediately ashes) slaughter, but they themselves plan to survive and profit from it ...
            4. fruc
              fruc 16 January 2022 11: 53
              +1
              We have a conditional capital and a decision-making center - metro station Bocharov Ruchey in the Krasnodar Territory, and even the city of Samara has such experience.
            5. Glagol1
              Glagol1 16 January 2022 11: 58
              +1
              Well, or to the Urals. Yekaterinburg is the main candidate
            6. Soldatov V.
              Soldatov V. 16 January 2022 12: 00
              -8
              To begin with, the Main Headquarters of the Navy needs to be hidden somewhere away. For one and the Constitutional Court. Almost forgot about Gazprom. Otherwise, the Finns will destroy the mind, honor and heritage of Russia with one blow of the F-35. But the State Duma should be at the forefront.
              Fight for world peace. soldier
          2. Kars
            Kars 16 January 2022 12: 17
            +4
            In principle, it would be more logical to state that against the background of unfriendly actions, you consider the neutral status disavowed, and consider them as members of NATO. Let them enter. In fact, they are NATO, if NATO needs it, then they easily use the infrastructure of Sweden and Finland, even without agreements. And he manages people and equipment at joint .. Exercises ..
          3. isv000
            isv000 16 January 2022 12: 53
            0
            Quote: Zoldat_A
            And the "bride" Sweden became a wife... Well, Finland too.

            These hot guys want to return Uleaborg and Helsingfors to the map of Russia again?!.
            1. Zoldat_A
              Zoldat_A 16 January 2022 13: 26
              0
              Quote: isv000
              These hot guys want to return Uleaborg and Helsingfors to the map of Russia again?!.

              With VERY rare exceptions, all wars with Russia end in territorial gains for Russia. The United States, looking for someone else to set against Russia, does not think about it. They expect to pay, if anything, with foreign territory. "Zya-zaya, comrade Americans ..." - Alaska is nearby ... laughing
              1. English tarantas
                English tarantas 17 January 2022 13: 37
                -1
                With VERY rare exceptions, all wars with Russia end in territorial acquisitions for Russia

                Have you skipped history? There were enough wars in which Russia lost territory that the phrase: "very rare exceptions" is not permissible. Of course, there is only one trend, although the last more than a hundred years they have gained less than they have lost, but the “urya” in your picture of the world is clearly visible.
      2. krot
        krot 16 January 2022 10: 02
        -2
        I think we have enough missiles with nuclear warheads to target even the next members of NATO. And a couple of dozen for each member! wink
        1. Kronos
          Kronos 16 January 2022 10: 18
          -7
          And how other countries live and prosper without targeting anyone.
          1. mitroha
            mitroha 16 January 2022 10: 55
            +2
            Quote: Kronos
            And how other countries live and prosper without targeting anyone.

            In addition to the population of the LDNR. Yes, and about prosper, too, I bet
          2. Flooding
            Flooding 16 January 2022 11: 12
            +8
            Quote: Kronos
            And how other countries live and prosper without targeting anyone.

            all you have to do is go back to the 90s.
            you will have life and prosperity without missiles and sights
            1. Shket53
              Shket53 16 January 2022 11: 46
              -9
              And you probably invented a time machine to return to the 90s, for life and prosperity without missiles and sights
              1. Flooding
                Flooding 16 January 2022 11: 57
                +2
                Quote: Shket53
                And you probably invented a time machine to return to the 90s, for life and prosperity without missiles and sights

                since when are we on you?
                I don’t remember.
                although ... taiga, Far East?

                you don't need a time machine to bring back the 90s
                it’s enough to once again fall into the abyss of good US advice
          3. Roma 1977
            Roma 1977 16 January 2022 11: 34
            +12
            They suck. 7/8 of the world's population live worse than in Russia. It remains 1/8 which sucks all the juice out of them, and in case of resistance to robbery, sends aircraft carriers.
            1. Serg Kam
              Serg Kam 17 January 2022 07: 02
              0
              They suck. 7/8 of the world's population live worse than in Russia.

              You are cheating.
              China lives no worse, and this is already 1/5 of the world's population.
              Europe and the USA are about 1/7 more.
              Japan, Korea, Singapore, Qatar, UAE, Turkey, Canada, Australia, New Zealand, etc. will give about 1/5 more.
              So it turns out that half of the world lives no worse.
              1. Roma 1977
                Roma 1977 19 January 2022 12: 53
                -2
                I don't cheat. How many people are there in Australia or Qatar? It is not for nothing that the concept of the "Country of the Golden Billion" exists.
                1. Serg Kam
                  Serg Kam 19 January 2022 13: 42
                  0
                  How many people are there in Australia or Qatar?

                  And why, then, were they silent about how many people there are in that China?
                  I gave the figures, half of the world's population lives no worse.
                  1. Roma 1977
                    Roma 1977 19 January 2022 13: 57
                    -1
                    If you think that life in China has suddenly come to heaven, then I will upset you. One hundred million Chinese really do live quite well. And the remaining 1.4 billion - so-so.
                    1. Serg Kam
                      Serg Kam 19 January 2022 14: 32
                      0
                      If you think China suddenly has a heavenly life

                      I did not say that there is heavenly life
                      But they live no worse than us.
                      Medicine is actively developing; in terms of average wages, China overtook Russia 3 years ago.
                      They introduced a progressive tax, and if the salary is low, you don’t pay tax at all. Education has grown significantly.

                      https://newizv.ru/article/general/12-10-2020/rossiya-beznadezhno-proigrala-kitayu-i-ekonomicheski-i-geopoliticheski

                      And the remaining 1.4 billion - so-so.

                      Duc and most of us live so-so, zamkadie it is. I’m already silent that only officially 12% are below the poverty line

                      https://www.bbc.com/russian/news-54213159
                      1. Roma 1977
                        Roma 1977 19 January 2022 16: 15
                        -1
                        "The average salary in China" is a very peculiar concept. Even more peculiar than in Russia. The average standard of living in China remains significantly lower than in Russia.
                      2. Serg Kam
                        Serg Kam 20 January 2022 00: 08
                        0
                        The average standard of living in China remains significantly lower than in Russia.


                        Poofs maybe? Or do we take gentlemen at their word? :)
                        And it is surprising why migrants are so actively going to China, and not to Russia?

                        Have you ever been to China yourself? Or at least they typed a query into a search engine: the standard of living of China and Russia?
                        https://visasam.ru/emigration/vybor/uroven-zhizni-kitaj-i-rossiya.html
                      3. Roma 1977
                        Roma 1977 20 January 2022 09: 36
                        -1
                        You yourself were in China or trust what someone wrote somewhere on the fence. I explain on my fingers: 20 Russian citizens live and work in China, and 000 Chinese citizens live and work in Russia. Why do you think the Russians don't go where it's so good, while the Chinese go where it's much worse than in China?
                      4. Serg Kam
                        Serg Kam 20 January 2022 09: 54
                        0
                        Were in China

                        And you have a good pedigree, since you answer a question with a question :)
                        But I was in China.
                        And I talk to the people who live there.

                        20 Russian citizens live and work in China

                        SUDDENLY, China expelled almost all Russians with the start of the epidemic. I have 4 friends who dream of the end of the epidemic in order to move back there. The Russians are coming, only now they are not letting anyone in.
                        And yes, go to the bkrs, the forum is screwed there, read it.
                        Once again, China is far from paradise, but they definitely live no worse than us.
                        And every year life in China is improving, unlike Russia. Only Moscow is developing in our country, and beyond the Moscow Ring Road there is longing, then China is developing all.
        2. Murmur 55
          Murmur 55 16 January 2022 10: 27
          -5
          A couple of tens is not necessary, three or four is enough, but at the right points.
        3. Zoldat_A
          Zoldat_A 16 January 2022 10: 28
          -3
          Quote: krot
          I think we have enough missiles with nuclear warheads to target even the next members of NATO. And a couple of dozen for each member!

          Such as Sweden with ten million people, and with the appropriate nuclear warhead, one missile may be enough for a dozen. laughing
        4. isv000
          isv000 16 January 2022 12: 54
          0
          Quote: krot
          I think we have enough missiles with nuclear warheads to target even the next members of NATO. And a couple of dozen for each member!

          These goals were also inflicted by Soviet planners ...
      3. Rubi0
        Rubi0 16 January 2022 10: 48
        +10
        The Prime Minister of Finland has already spoken and said that Finland does not plan to join NATO and expose itself to risks
        1. Kars
          Kars 16 January 2022 13: 35
          0
          But why does she buy f 35 then?
          1. Vadim237
            Vadim237 16 January 2022 14: 25
            0
            They have the right, as a sovereign state, to buy whatever they want.
            1. Kars
              Kars 16 January 2022 16: 26
              0
              Nobody argues about the right.
              Question - why?
              1. VTR-295
                VTR-295 17 January 2022 09: 57
                0
                To modernize their Air Force
      4. Lionnvrsk
        Lionnvrsk 16 January 2022 12: 10
        +1
        very quickly, since these countries meet all the necessary requirements for this.

        Especially its proximity to the borders of Russia! yes
    2. Uncle lee
      Uncle lee 16 January 2022 09: 36
      -19
      NATO is considering the issue of Finland and Sweden joining the alliance.
      NATO was not very scared of the ultimatum! recourse
      1. aszzz888
        aszzz888 16 January 2022 09: 58
        +7

        Uncle Lee (Vladimir)
        Today, 09: 36
        NEW

        -1
        NATO is considering the issue of Finland and Sweden joining the alliance.
        NATO was not very scared of the ultimatum! recourse
        Let's proceed from the fact that Russia did not frighten anyone. At three negotiation platforms, but this is most likely a tribute to diplomacy - one could have been dispensed with - our vision of the security issue of the Russian Federation was voiced. And the main negotiator is the merikatos, who must give a written answer. Speaking of birds, yesterday the Merikatos and the same NATO requested additional talks. A.I. Antonov - Ambassador to Merikatosia - replied that the decision on this would be made by Russia AFTER written response.
        1. Uncle lee
          Uncle lee 16 January 2022 11: 43
          -1
          NATO Secretary General Jens Stoltenberg confirmed this as well.
          This is called "feared" and are ready to accept Finland and Sweden into NATO, even without their desire and consent .... laughing
          NATO and the US have dominated for so many years and that SUDDENLY backtracked! Yes, not to life! Our claims will be accepted, considered, rejected and safely forgotten... Mark my words. hi
      2. isv000
        isv000 16 January 2022 12: 56
        -3
        Quote: Uncle Lee
        NATO was not very scared of the ultimatum!

        ...and the captain said - it's not evening yet!...
    3. Cron
      Cron 16 January 2022 09: 40
      +25
      Quote: military_cat
      NATO delivered an ultimatum not bad. The expansion was stopped - well, just my respect.

      Not bad you exist without using your head at all.

      Key: ex-NATO Secretary General said.
      Swedish Prime Minister Andersson: The government's position is clear, we do not intend to join NATO.
      Finnish Foreign Minister says there are no plans to join NATO

      Well, just respect...
      1. Flooding
        Flooding 16 January 2022 10: 04
        +11
        Here people are all hot daredevils.
        take it out and post the result now.
        patience and time
        no, you haven't heard.

        them to the cavalry.
        Too bad there aren't enough horses for everyone.
        1. Shket53
          Shket53 16 January 2022 11: 56
          -8
          Well, of course, if only someone like you was on a white horse, but with a saber unsheathed ... but under what flag?
          1. Flooding
            Flooding 16 January 2022 12: 03
            0
            Quote: Shket53
            if only such as you bulo on a white horse, yes with a saber unsheathed

            right, I remember
            proctologist from taiga one hundred per hundred
            1. Shket53
              Shket53 16 January 2022 12: 52
              -3
              Ah well done, for such ... I will always practice proctology
      2. military_cat
        military_cat 16 January 2022 10: 06
        -10
        You have now observed the transition from a situation where the topic was not even discussed, to a situation where the topic began to be discussed. The fact that you did not want to be aware of it is your problem.
        1. Cron
          Cron 16 January 2022 10: 20
          +3
          Quote: military_cat
          You have now observed the transition from a situation where the topic was not even discussed, to a situation where the topic began to be discussed. The fact that you did not want to be aware of it is your problem.

          What difference does it make what we have just observed? If I'm talking about facts, and you are talking about some mythical failures? Sweden's statement was after the presentation of an "ultimatum" on non-expansion. Finland after Stoltenberg announced the possibility of quickly accepting these two countries.
          I'm not saying that they can't join the alliance and let's say Russia doesn't fail. Nothing is impossible. I'm just talking about the facts at the moment and that's it. And without the prefix EX
    4. nnm
      nnm 16 January 2022 09: 42
      +16
      First, this is not an application from these two countries. But, rather, exactly the opposite - luring them into an alliance.
      Secondly, it was about Eastern Europe.
      Third - let's continue to just sit and be silent?
      It is unlikely that anyone thought that the ultimatum would be accepted, and not for that, in my opinion, it was voiced. Its real meaning is to create a longing countdown after which you can say - "we warned you before."
      It's like the Munich speech. Then everyone laughed, and now everyone is surprised why they didn’t take it seriously at the time.
      1. Kronos
        Kronos 16 January 2022 09: 56
        -6
        And what has changed since the Munich speech?
        1. nnm
          nnm 16 January 2022 11: 01
          +4
          Haven't you noticed that in the last few years, as soon as they start talking about the end of the unipolar world, they immediately remember that speech? Why do you think?
        2. Essex62
          Essex62 16 January 2022 11: 08
          -3
          After some time, we all reacted with understanding to actions aimed at the prosperity of citizens and the power of the state.
        3. isv000
          isv000 16 January 2022 12: 59
          +2
          Quote: Kronos
          And what has changed since the Munich speech?

          Peaceful skies over Russia...
    5. SKVichyakow
      SKVichyakow 16 January 2022 10: 20
      0
      Quote: military_cat
      NATO delivered an ultimatum not bad. The expansion was stopped - well, just my respect.

      These are convulsions of the West, and an attempt to neutralize Russia's proposals. So to speak, a knight's move.
      1. isv000
        isv000 16 January 2022 13: 01
        +1
        Quote: YOUR
        These are convulsions of the West, and an attempt to neutralize Russia's proposals. So to speak, a knight's move.

        With such moves, you can be left without Kirkenes and Helsingfors...
    6. YOUR
      YOUR 16 January 2022 10: 42
      +1
      It would be interesting to talk with those who threw so many minuses - what would they explain for what?
      1. isv000
        isv000 16 January 2022 13: 02
        -1
        Quote: YOUR
        It would be interesting to talk with those who threw so many minuses - what would they explain for what?

        In the backyard... angry
        1. YOUR
          YOUR 16 January 2022 13: 04
          +1
          Out of that age.
          1. isv000
            isv000 16 January 2022 13: 08
            -1
            Quote: YOUR
            Out of that age.

            All ages are submissive at the gateway: there you even have to defend yourself with your fists, otherwise your "note of protest" may be ignored ...
            1. YOUR
              YOUR 16 January 2022 13: 17
              +2
              If only so. However, we are not in the gateway and I wrote my comment because I didn’t understand why they threw minuses .. I didn’t write it correctly without explanation.
              1. isv000
                isv000 16 January 2022 13: 18
                -1
                Quote: YOUR
                If only so. However, we are not in the gateway and I wrote my comment because I didn’t understand why they threw minuses .. I didn’t write it correctly without explanation.

                Minus female dogs! hi
                1. YOUR
                  YOUR 16 January 2022 13: 28
                  0
                  laughing laughing laughing laughing laughing
                  That's right, they're bastards.
      2. English tarantas
        English tarantas 17 January 2022 13: 44
        0
        No, they are bots. All comments that do not praise the great and boundless immediately catch a stack of minuses. Regardless of the argument about the objectivity of the statement
    7. venik
      venik 16 January 2022 12: 26
      +3
      Quote: military_cat
      NATO delivered an ultimatum not bad. The expansion was stopped - well, just my respect.

      =====
      WHAT actually happened? WHO acted? About what? About the fact that they want to drag Sweden and Finland into NATU? So this is an open secret, known to everyone for a couple of decades ... Actually, no one hides this .... So far, only the Scandinavians themselves (unlike the "square" are not in a hurry to "raise their pants" to rush to NATO ..... .
      And finally, who is this Anders Fogh Rasmusen? THE EX-Prime Minister of Denmark THE EX- NATO Secretary General, EX-Deputy Chairman of the Supervisory Board of the Latvian PNP-banka (exactly in this order! And the key is the prefix "ex"). A sort of Kisa Vorobyaninov Danish "bottling": all around - "former" ....
      In general, all this "vyrerd" Rasmussen was designed specifically for people like you. request
    8. konstantin68
      konstantin68 17 January 2022 09: 33
      0
      Quote: military_cat
      NATO delivered an ultimatum not bad. The expansion was stopped - well, just my respect.

      Bow down below! What does "my respect" mean?
      "I'm in awe!" - so it should be.
      PS And what do Sweden and Finland say about this, by the way?
  2. rusich
    rusich 16 January 2022 09: 29
    +13
    Oh, and this Pentagon talking head is lying. Only yesterday, Finnish Foreign Minister Haavisto announced that the country had no plans to join NATO. And how then to believe Natasha and the United States
    1. aszzz888
      aszzz888 16 January 2022 09: 51
      +5

      rusich (rusich)
      Today, 09: 29
      0
      Oh, and this Pentagon talking head is lying. Only yesterday, Finnish Foreign Minister Haavisto announced that the country had no plans to join NATO. And how then to believe Natasha and the United States
      this goner actively continues to interfere with a shovel in a cesspool. It’s not enough for him that even without his actions, there is a stench from there.
  3. rusich
    rusich 16 January 2022 09: 31
    +3
    Finnish Foreign Minister Haavisto said that the country has no plans to join NATO. Oh, and the talking head of Natashka is lying
  4. rusich
    rusich 16 January 2022 09: 32
    +3
    Finnish Foreign Minister Haavisto said that the country has no plans to join NATO. Lying talking head
  5. Egoza
    Egoza 16 January 2022 09: 33
    +9
    And Finland turned out to be smarter! )))
    1. Nyrobsky
      Nyrobsky 16 January 2022 10: 06
      +3
      Quote: Egoza
      And Finland turned out to be smarter! )))

      She really understands that a neutral status today will bring more bonuses than outright Russophobia, since you can get your goodies both from the United States and NATO who want to get another foothold, and from Russia, which can also ship goodies for maintaining a neutral status. As they say - "a cunning calf sucks two mothers."
      1. volodimer
        volodimer 16 January 2022 11: 55
        +3
        The Japanese received Khasan and Halkin-gol, the Finns even showed something in the winter war, but in 1944 they noticed the difference. Everything is forgotten, but not everything. And of course you are right, the entire post-war history of Finland shows that the neutral status brings more profit than the role of a mutt-instigator next to a (let's not be modest) formidable neighbor.
        And the Swedes have apparently been sitting in neutrals for a long time, plus away, that’s why they’re shaking.
        1. English tarantas
          English tarantas 17 January 2022 13: 53
          -1
          Finns at least showed something in the winter war

          Rather, on the contrary, the Japanese showed that they could massacre, but the Finns only showed that the Soviet army of 39 was a crowd of low-skilled blockheads with a disgusting organization, but with huge resources, training and good high command.
  6. aszzz888
    aszzz888 16 January 2022 09: 38
    +8
    NATO Secretary General Jens Stoltenberg,
    dead herring continues to actively provoke Russia. This senile doesn't seem to have long left to smoke white light. Lastly, he wants to slam the door. And if he had the opportunity to press the red button? I think it would do it.
  7. Kairbek
    Kairbek 16 January 2022 09: 38
    +1
    Ex-NATO Secretary General announced the full readiness of Finland and Sweden to join the alliance

    This is a sentence for these countries ..! They didn't live in peace.
  8. Dmitry Potapov
    Dmitry Potapov 16 January 2022 09: 39
    +1
    Welcome! To the suicide squad!
    1. aszzz888
      aszzz888 16 January 2022 10: 41
      -1

      Dmitry Potapov (Dmitry Potapov)
      Today, 09: 39
      NEW
      +3
      Welcome! To the suicide squad!
      yes, there is already enough! wink
  9. vervolk
    vervolk 16 January 2022 09: 41
    +7
    Soon a demonstrative flogging of candidates for NATO will begin, then we'll see how many people who want to go there will begin.
    1. English tarantas
      English tarantas 17 January 2022 14: 00
      -2
      Well, at least you inserted a funny picture. For example
  10. prior
    prior 16 January 2022 09: 47
    +6
    Populist chatter, an attempt at cheap blackmail.
  11. Andrei Nikolaevich
    Andrei Nikolaevich 16 January 2022 09: 47
    +2
    I can still understand the entry into NATO of two such states. Developed economy, rich budgets. The only pity is that it is close to our borders. But the question is different - why does NATO need rogue people like Ukraine, Moldova and Georgia? After all, they will drain all the diesel fuel from the tanks and infect all the soldiers with syphilis.)
    1. tralflot1832
      tralflot1832 16 January 2022 10: 05
      +2
      Principle: Small bug but stinky. Use these three as cannon fodder against Russia. NATO Article 5 will not work on them, fight, we will help you with resources and words. Probably can be compared with mercenaries in the Middle Ages. Cheap and angry.
      1. Andrei Nikolaevich
        Andrei Nikolaevich 16 January 2022 11: 14
        +2
        Quite possible. But something I do not really believe in the words of this "ex". Judging by the muzzle of his face, he is a Scandinavian .. I remember them, at the holiday of the North, it was full of five, drunks were lying around.)
        1. tralflot1832
          tralflot1832 16 January 2022 11: 17
          +2
          What can you take from them, Scandinavians sir! hi
          1. Andrei Nikolaevich
            Andrei Nikolaevich 16 January 2022 11: 43
            +3
            that's for sure.) Yes, and our vodka is cheaper ... So they were lying in snowdrifts, near the "Arktika")
    2. Murmur 55
      Murmur 55 16 January 2022 10: 36
      0
      Yes, the budgets are not poor, but for several years in a row Washington has been demanding from its six people to increase the contribution to the common fund to 2% (if I'm not mistaken) of GDP, but not everyone is in a hurry wink
    3. Shket53
      Shket53 16 January 2022 11: 58
      +1
      Beachhead, just a beachhead, and meat
  12. rotmistr60
    rotmistr60 16 January 2022 09: 52
    +3
    ex-secretary general of the alliance Anders Fogh Rasmussen spoke
    Not only is Stoltenberg inadequate with his statements, but Rasmussen also decided to remind himself. The Norwegian and Danish land has become somehow scarce for people whom it is not a shame to show to the world. But in Finland they turned out to be smarter and decided to refrain from such "happiness". Sweden keeps silent, probably once again analyzing the cases of the past years (Poltava).
    1. Vasyan1971
      Vasyan1971 16 January 2022 10: 05
      -2
      Quote: rotmistr60
      Sweden keeps silent, probably once again analyzing the cases of the past years (Poltava).

      If only Poltava, otherwise they would receive three more people until they finally calmed down.
      - The war of 1741–43 was the result of Sweden's desire to regain the territories lost during the Great Northern War. ©
      - The war of 1788–90 arose as a result of Sweden's revanchist aspirations to regain territories lost in previous wars with Russia. Sweden was supported by England, Prussia, Holland and other Europeans. state.©
      - The war of 1808–09 arose as a result of the desire of Sweden, with the support of Great Britain, to take revenge for all previous unsuccessful wars with Russia and regain control over previously lost territories. ©
      https://bigenc.ru/military_science/text/3522658
      1. volodimer
        volodimer 16 January 2022 12: 38
        -1
        And let's remember what territories the Swedes lost because of the wars with Russia?
        Finland.. The Baltic States, which they generally bought out. Well, when these lands suddenly become Swedish and the Russian-Swedish border is re-formed ...
        It's all the same with the Tribalts, but are the Finns ready to become a Swedish colony again?
        Although with the first ... In the case of Sweden joining NATO, it is necessary to demand the return of the money paid by Peter. For according to the agreement between Russia and one of the NATO members: return the paid land or return the money.
        The Russian Federation under all agreements is the successor of RI.
        1. Vasyan1971
          Vasyan1971 16 January 2022 12: 55
          -1
          Quote: volodimer
          it is necessary to demand the return of the money paid by Peter.

          More like no options. request Of course, you can demand something, but ... Let's be realistic. NATO will return to the borders of 1997 faster and the Dnieper will flow in the opposite direction.
          1. volodimer
            volodimer 16 January 2022 13: 36
            0
            Suvorov also said something about the Danube ...

            The authenticity of the statements of Aydozli-Mehmet Pasha may be in doubt, but the fact of the capture of Ishmael is not.
            As for the Swedish claims, let them first deal with the sovereignty of Finland.
            How many Finns were not persuaded after WWII, I think they understood the charm of living peacefully between east and west. Once they decided to take the side of the West and they were thrown (I note that it was not Hitler's Germany, but democracies: England and France). As a result, they lost more than they initially wanted from them, but they only wanted reasonable "red lines" (not ours, but a bourgeois term). And the war was lost, the territory was lost. But they did not lose their independence, although they could. All questions about Finland have long been closed to us.
            I think that you understand that everything written is nothing more than a banter over the Swedish "phantom" pains. How can the Swedes enter NATO on equal terms with their former colonies, which the evil Russians took from them, and in fact (decrees on December 6, 1917 and December 25, 1918) made them also independent states. It's humiliating, after all.
            The main enemy took away the colonies, made them states, and now the metropolis must listen to what the former vassals want from it. In NATO, after all, democracy is one for all, unified management, the collective decides.
            1. Vasyan1971
              Vasyan1971 16 January 2022 16: 08
              -1
              Quote: volodimer
              The authenticity of the statements of Aydozli-Mehmet Pasha may be in doubt, but the fact of the capture of Ishmael is not.

              Yes. The fact of the capture of Ishmael - no. (By the way, whose is Ishmael now?)
              But
              Quote: volodimer
              it is necessary to demand the return of the money paid by Peter.
              - this is necessary, let's be realistic, not to be friends with our heads at all. No. Like, now Germany's non-brothers are demanding some kind of "compensation", either for WWII, or for "SP2". Therefore, I agree that banter is also banter in Africa, but no more.
              Quote: volodimer
              How can the Swedes join NATO on equal terms with their former colonies,

              Approximately how Britain entered NATO under the roof of the United States, and even pays for the US military bases on its territory. request
    2. Murmur 55
      Murmur 55 16 January 2022 10: 34
      -1
      This is while they abstained, wait, the "godfather" will make them an offer that they cannot refuse hi
      1. Essex62
        Essex62 16 January 2022 11: 15
        0
        Freemasons can rot those who do not want to dance to their tune, at a time. And Swedish socialism will end very quickly.
        1. Murmur 55
          Murmur 55 16 January 2022 11: 19
          -1
          And then wink they won’t be able to stir up another color, the technologies have been worked out and they will find a reason at once.
          1. Essex62
            Essex62 17 January 2022 01: 45
            0
            They will do without a flower garden. The levers of pressure and the creation of a sour existence of 10 million Swedes arbitrarily with the owners of world money and the system of global control over everyone. There, behind a puddle, well, or on the atolls, there is a real hegemon.
  13. tralflot1832
    tralflot1832 16 January 2022 10: 00
    +2
    Retired beacon of European democracy Rasmussen: since 2015, adviser to the Goldman Sachs bank, 2017 - 2019 adviser to Gunpowder, 2020 defendant in a civil lawsuit by clients of the Latvian PNB bank. In the leadership, he and the company had a lot of fun.
  14. Maks1995
    Maks1995 16 January 2022 10: 17
    -2
    Is there another "victory"?
    But this will be a major failure of Russia's foreign and domestic policy, alas.

    Does the super PR of new types of weapons and the LDNR affect?
    1. Roma 1977
      Roma 1977 16 January 2022 11: 58
      +1
      No. The general crisis of the global capitalist system, which needs a big war and another redistribution of markets and raw materials, is having an effect.
  15. Murmur 55
    Murmur 55 16 January 2022 10: 32
    0
    As for Putin’s scare of the West, it’s whoever wants what he sees, someone sees what scares him, someone sees what he warns, someone sees what he is bluffing, someone will say that this is generally a global agreement of the “gray” government for fear people and the West and the East, it all depends on personal preferences.
  16. cniza
    cniza 16 January 2022 10: 41
    +1
    Sweden has not yet commented on NATO's statements, but Finland has already spoken out, saying that Helsinki retains the possibility of joining the alliance, but does not plan to.


    The USA will now be out of their skin flattery just to persuade them ...
  17. Mikhail Mikhail
    Mikhail Mikhail 16 January 2022 10: 51
    +3
    The dreamers ! Neither Sweden nor Finland are going to enter anywhere. They are bound by a status-neutral treaty, and by the way, the Swedes themselves have confirmed that they will adhere to this treaty. The Finns responded in the same vein. There, in NATO, lies and deceit are all around.
  18. HAM
    HAM 16 January 2022 10: 53
    0
    Yes, this was not an "ultimatum" from Russia, we should not distort ... It's just that now we see for sure - "who is who" ... well, if it's simpler, it was a test "for lice" ...
    All this talk about "democracy and freedom of choice" on the part of collective farms is smoke and nothing more ...
    The collective farm did not even notice that he was in trouble - he says one thing, but does another --- this is the result that the Kremlin needed ...
    This is a clear confirmation of double standards on the part of the West, which was required to be proved .......
  19. petrov.vodka2015
    petrov.vodka2015 16 January 2022 10: 54
    -4
    Let me accept! For a long time there was no Russian soldier in Stockholm and Helsinki, the last time of the year at 44m-45m.
  20. Teador
    Teador 16 January 2022 10: 56
    0
    Well, they have 16 more countries on the way, except for Finns and Swedes
    1. Murmur 55
      Murmur 55 16 January 2022 11: 09
      -1
      What are these countries? Well, except for Ukraine and Georgia???
  21. BAI
    BAI 16 January 2022 11: 04
    +4
    In 1947, the future president of Finland, U. K. Kekkonen, very correctly said: "It is not in the interests of Finland to be an outpost of the West on the border with Russia." The whole question is whether politicians of this level still exist in Finland.
    1. Murmur 55
      Murmur 55 16 January 2022 11: 22
      +1
      The Finns are smart guys in V.O. As soon as they realized that the chief would rake, they immediately switched sides and pretended to be sheep, it’s interesting to pretend right away, will they try to return part of Karelia with the help of NATO?
  22. ximkim
    ximkim 16 January 2022 11: 21
    -7
    In principle, the Finns may not join NATO, since Russia is not a threat to it.
    The main thing is not to let Putin's friends into your garden, since taxes, high prices, the destruction of industry, etc. will be worse than any rocket.
    1. Roma 1977
      Roma 1977 16 January 2022 11: 56
      +2
      I didn't understand here. Taxes in the Russian Federation are very low, prices are also cheap, compared to the EU, the industry has been growing steadily for years. What's wrong?
  23. demiurg
    demiurg 16 January 2022 12: 11
    +3
    It is NATO that wants the Finns and Swedes to join the bloc.
    But the Scandinavians are smart. At one time, they were forced to neutrality with life-giving pendals. And they don't want to disrupt the status quo.
  24. sen
    sen 16 January 2022 12: 25
    +2
    Ex-NATO Secretary General announced the full readiness of Finland and Sweden to join the alliance

    Lying. Finnish Foreign Minister Pekka Haavisto said that the country, as part of its policy, does not plan to join NATO.
    https://ria.ru/20220114/finlyandiya-1767888725.html?in=t
  25. Knell wardenheart
    Knell wardenheart 16 January 2022 12: 53
    -1
    I see no reason for Finland to join NATO. The Finns live well and well - they spend 1.1% on defense (in NATO they will have to spend at least 2%). Sweden spends 1.2% - why should they spend the same 2%?
    No, it wouldn't be a strain on their budget, 0.9-0.8% scatter is not a problem, but what's the benefit? If the conditional Balts, against the background of their economies, receive solid preferences and a bonus to their security from cooperation in NATO, then everything is more than good with the security of Sweden, nothing threatens the security of Finland either, because everything that we needed to pull away from this country is already seized in 1940. The prospect of annexing it would not give us any advantages - since we have a small front and a generally amorphous Scandinavian peninsula - with the capture of Finland, we would border Sweden and Norway on a greater length of land borders - given that Norway is located in NATO, this would be fraught with the need to capture / control both these territories, as well as neighboring Sweden, because the connection between the Scandinavian states is very strong between each other. And so, we have a cap that plugs this front and its potential problems in the form of Finland.
    For Sweden, joining NATO would be a hemorrhoid, in my opinion, because the Swedes have a fairly good military industry for a neutral country, on which one could put a bold Swedish cross in this case. NATO has standards, and these standards inexorably "kakbe hinted" that the Swedes should stop sawing self-propelled guns and expand purchases of military equipment from the United States and Germany. What benefits would it give them? But none) Sweden does not border on "Mordor" - as some commentator aptly wrote there in one of the neighboring articles - they are "threatened only by shoals of herring" (c).

    I consider the involvement of these states in NATO to be unproductive stupidity - both for NATO itself and for these states.
  26. Sirocco
    Sirocco 16 January 2022 13: 05
    +1
    Didn't Sweden and Finland sign a non-bloc status? Or do all the laws do not count?
  27. Wanderer_GO
    Wanderer_GO 16 January 2022 13: 06
    0
    "To the madness of the brave, we sing a song!" - maybe God has deprived them of their minds?
    What can the country expect in this situation: - Finland will lose all its territories, and the inhabitants will be repatriated to Sweden, and it will lose access to the Baltic Sea.
    And is this what they need?
    There are also "Three Sisters" who are also not friends with the mind ... but we understand that in the event of "what", the whole European pack will attack, but the "bloody battle" wakes up all the more terrible!
  28. Denis812
    Denis812 16 January 2022 18: 59
    0
    The main thing is not joining or not joining NATO, but the non-promotion of infrastructure to our borders and the withdrawal of it from all sorts of Poland and other Balts.
  29. Vladimir61
    Vladimir61 16 January 2022 20: 59
    +1
    Speaking on Finnish television, Rasmussen expressed the opinion that Finland and Sweden are fully prepared to join NATO and meet all the necessary requirements. According to him, if such a decision were made, then the adoption of these two countries would take "one night" and the very next day they would become members of the military bloc.
    What to discuss someone's desires? Everything is already clear, such a decision, neither in Sweden nor in Finland, at least, has not yet been made!
  30. Dzafdet
    Dzafdet 17 January 2022 09: 43
    0
    Yes, the war is getting closer and closer. So they can't wait to fight. Maybe it's a disease? So they tend to recycle.