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“Russian special forces are far from meeting Western standards”: in the US press about the MTR of Russia

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Russian and American special forces constantly "intersect" in various parts of the world. This gave grounds to compare both forces on the pages of the publication Strategy Page (USA).


At the height of the Cold War, about 30 thousand special forces were in the service of the Soviet troops. Most of them were conscripts (70-80%), but careful selection and a tough training program made it possible to make elite fighters out of them. As the author writes, the special forces effectively proved themselves during the Afghan campaign:

The Afghans learned to retreat from any area where special forces operated.

According to him, after the collapse of the USSR, the "rapid degradation" of the Russian special operations troops began. According to him, its peak came in 1999-2004, mentioning as "failures" the operation to free the hostages in the theater "Nord-Ost" and the school in Beslan.

In the first case, hundreds of civilians were killed, in the second, the building was stormed in a combined arms style, using RPGs, rocket launchers and tanks.

However, after that the situation began to change. So, during the Georgian campaign of 2008, the reconnaissance battalion of special forces in the rear guard entered enemy territory, "demonstrating a high degree of skill." As the author explains, in Syria, the Russian special forces managed to keep Bashar al-Assad in power, "despite the seemingly insurmountable threat from the rebels in 2011."

Here, Russian special operations troops clashed with their American counterparts and found that the US forces were more formidable than expected.

- the author writes.

As the observer points out, at present, the American special forces evaluate the Russian MTR as "quite combat-ready force", which "can compete" and "poses a more serious threat than during the Cold War." But in terms of the number of this type of troops of the Russian Federation (about 10 thousand people, of which more than half are contract soldiers) is seriously inferior to the United States, where there are five times more fighters) \.

SOCOM military personnel, meeting with their Russian counterparts in several regions of the world, found that Russian special forces are still imposing, but far from up to Western standards.

- noted in the US press.

It is not entirely clear why the Russian special forces, who have their own richest school of training and combat use, should generally meet Western standards.

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    1. Terenin
      Terenin 14 January 2022 20: 48
      +103
      Quote: SaLaR
      We are not you...

      I agree, well, the Russian special forces cannot carry away so much ... toilet paper No.
      1. Pete mitchell
        Pete mitchell 14 January 2022 23: 05
        +77
        Quote: Terenin
        I agree, well, Russian special forces cannot ..

        but far from meeting Western standards
        holy holy holy, and thank God, otherwise with their standards it’s not far from sin lol
        1. Peps
          Peps 15 January 2022 12: 51
          +13
          God forbid to become like the Americans with their transgenders, gays, etc.
        2. WapentakeLokki
          WapentakeLokki 15 January 2022 18: 11
          +5
          and what is THEIR standard? a couple of blacks (sorry - Afro-Americans - there’s no way without them - BLM-rules and WASPs need someone in the team to lick their shoes) ... plus a psychologist (with a folding sofa for before and after combat relaxation .. .You want to talk about THIS ...) and in order to carry all this NECESSARY Amer's special forces equipment (from tents and a camping shower to Play Station and popcorn with a pip-fax) to carry a special Robo-Mule ... on electric traction. ..and yes, our SWAT does NOT have such a thing (but THIS is bad or even vice versa shows STATISTICS both in Hollywood blockbusters like SEALS and in real events that have become the property of the media (often contrary to the wishes of their heroes, and both on their part and on our part but these media are such media ..) and here everything is much sadder .. so oh so !!!
          1. Vladimir Mashkov
            Vladimir Mashkov 16 January 2022 20: 33
            +1
            Thank God that Russian special forces are far from meeting Western standards!!! smile
        3. Pravodel
          Pravodel 16 January 2022 07: 57
          +2
          with their standards and not far from sin

          Exactly, special forces are not sodomy ...
        4. Mikhail Zhikharev
          Mikhail Zhikharev 17 January 2022 20: 50
          0
          But during long special operations, they have no problems with sexual tension.
      2. Volper
        Volper 15 January 2022 00: 35
        +38
        Do not forget, there is not only toilet paper, but also a set of different creams, gels, fondants and ointments ... yes
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          1. datura23
            datura23 15 January 2022 10: 59
            +11
            Yes, but near Moscow, as they distributed cream and lipstick, so we drove the Germans
            1. adler87
              adler87 15 January 2022 18: 18
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              With a lot of blood, and they didn’t drive, but with difficulty began the way back. And they went to Berlin for three whole years. And the Germans were near Moscow after three months.
              1. Volper
                Volper 15 January 2022 18: 27
                +16
                Quote: adler87
                And the Germans were near Moscow after three months.

                seriously that's what you're doing here. Are you grieving that you don’t drink Bavarian?
                1. adler87
                  adler87 15 January 2022 18: 29
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                  What do you drink, what do you drive? You grieve for a Muscovite, go. Patriot rag
                  1. Volper
                    Volper 15 January 2022 18: 43
                    +22
                    Quote: adler87
                    Patriot rag

                    And fso? Haven't the manuals been updated?
                    As the hero of Kuravlyov said, fie on you, litter of Pindo laughing
                    1. adler87
                      adler87 15 January 2022 19: 52
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                      So what do you ride, expert on manuals?
                      1. rtv
                        rtv 15 January 2022 23: 08
                        +7
                        And what does it matter what he rides? The Americans are launching military satellites on our engines, and now what?
                      2. Mikhail Zhikharev
                        Mikhail Zhikharev 17 January 2022 20: 55
                        0
                        And here the Great Patriotic War and the auto industry? Don't twist! The tiger was also a child prodigy, so what ?? And Moskvich at one time was no worse than many foreign cars.
              2. Syndrome
                Syndrome 15 January 2022 19: 12
                +9
                Considering that in 1944 ours reached the old borders, you can see how the Red Army drove the Germans. You will be surprised, but the pace of the Red Army offensive was higher than that of the Germans at the beginning of the war.
                1. adler87
                  adler87 15 January 2022 19: 56
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                  Indeed, amazing. Like this, a few months and more than two years. The pace is kind of slow. Or am I stupid?
                  1. Terenin
                    Terenin 15 January 2022 20: 36
                    +18
                    Quote: adler87
                    Or am I stupid?

                    Not necessarily.
                    You just don’t say that almost all of Europe fought on the side of Germany, and helped her economically.
                    1. Antipatr
                      Antipatr 16 January 2022 06: 43
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                      Quote: Terenin
                      ... she fought on the side of Germany, and helped her economically, almost all of Europe.

                      Well, yes, Romania is there, Hungary, Croatia. And on the side of Stalin, the United States and the British Empire fought and helped economically with inexhaustible resources
                      1. Pete mitchell
                        Pete mitchell 16 January 2022 12: 27
                        +9
                        Quote: Antipatr
                        Well, yes, Romania is there, Hungary, Croatia. And on the side of Stalin ..
                        Let's povanguem: the next move - will it be about land-lease?
                        You carefully read the story, and not just the training manual
                      2. Roman Moskalenko_3
                        Roman Moskalenko_3 17 January 2022 14: 25
                        +4
                        and for example, France - read how much it supplied the Nazis with weapons. read the plans of Hitler, which he gave for the same France, and how the valiant French overfulfilled him. read for ANY country in Europe, there is exact data on how much they supplied to the Germans, and it was not lend-lease. no dear, the USSR fought against the whole of united Europe. otherwise it is not perceived.
                  2. Cottodraton
                    Cottodraton 16 January 2022 05: 54
                    +11
                    You're not dumb, you're dumb like a cork. And these are not your worst shortcomings ...
                  3. YOUR
                    YOUR 16 January 2022 08: 14
                    +6
                    Why write nonsense. different starting conditions.
                    If the Germans attacked a country that did not expect an attack, they traveled up to 50 km or more per day, meeting absolutely no resistance, because there was no defense echeloning. Command was lost, often receiving incorrect or outdated data. Focusing on the name of the parts and connections in reality, of which there was not even a half left.
                    And the pace was not just made up, but much exceeded since 1944. And this is with equal opportunities.
                    But this is a different question, not related to the topic under consideration.
                    The main question is why the Americans consider our special forces do not meet their standards because of the equipment. In this they have a really big advantage. We have begun to pay attention to the means of communication, loitering ammunition, light means of protection, well, ergonomic small arms, and technical reconnaissance equipment. In this we are lagging behind and seriously lagging behind. Even in uniforms, and then in the media, it repeatedly slipped that they were bought abroad or completely copied.
                  4. Cosmemedic
                    Cosmemedic 16 January 2022 12: 42
                    +4
                    When they make calculations on the number of German troops, captured and killed, the allied countries are not taken into account anywhere .. and there were up to 3 million of them, Europeans. Yes, for a minute. And the Finns and the Norwegians, the French and ... There was just no one. Ukrainians and Crimean Tatars were not even counted.
                    Also: the figures for the dead Russian and German soldiers are almost identical. The rest of our losses are civilian.
                    The Germans, reading their media, I can’t forgive
                    1. Kaufman
                      Kaufman 19 January 2022 10: 28
                      +1
                      And the Finns and the Norwegians, the French and ... There was just no one. Ukrainians and Crimean Tatars were not even counted

                      and Russian Cossacks, and Vlasov. There were more of them than the rest of the traitors put together.
                  5. Oleg812spb
                    Oleg812spb 16 January 2022 18: 31
                    0
                    Those who were lucky enough to stay alive, probably, even after 1955, regretted that they had gone so far
              3. Alexey V
                Alexey V 15 January 2022 21: 24
                +10
                So who won the war? the army, the heir to the "glory" of the 8rd Reich, was supposed to take Moscow 3 years ago))))) And as your brave airmobile warriors said, set the price for beer .... What's the matter?
            2. avg
              avg 16 January 2022 13: 08
              +5
              Only one Kovpak raid on the German rear will overshadow all the special operations of all the MTRs combined.
          2. 89268170588
            89268170588 15 January 2022 12: 35
            +39
            Yes, even if you are from space, you have read rubbish. The Hans were all lousy, this was not the case in the Red Army. What about our "frozen divisions" fake. You judge sensibly - the division froze in defense - the front is open, with a parade march to Romanov on Murman. Why didn't this happen. Think first, then write. Of course, it was not sweet in the Arctic, but the soldiers received hot food 2 times a day, and a bath once a week. The superhumans didn't. And how a respected one will highlight that whole divisions of Italians, Romanians, Hungarians and Hans, a Croat regiment, froze in the Don steppes in 43, no one even tries to deny this. Of course, they froze differently, with creams, and the Red Army with a spoon. About the lyuli. Thank our soldiers, otherwise the ancestors of the chela with the "Eagle" avatar would have been processed by superhumans into compost and our "Eagle" would not even become an embryo. Sincerely!
            1. adler87
              adler87 15 January 2022 18: 13
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              Bath? Twice hot food? Where are you from? What a bath, what hot food twice a day. What did you hear and read there? Vova himself or something. Where do you get these from. We all had lice in the trenches.
              1. Cottodraton
                Cottodraton 16 January 2022 05: 58
                +5
                Have you been there, clown? What are you talking about? The creature is funny
            2. ammunition
              ammunition 15 January 2022 19: 10
              -2
              Quote: 89268170588
              The Hans were all lousy, this was not the case in the Red Army.

              Tvardovsky -
              And say, a simple thing
              Do you have?
              - What?
              - Louse.

              And dipping into the fat crust,
              Continuing to eat,
              Smiled like Terkin
              And said:
              - Partially... repeat
          3. Cottodraton
            Cottodraton 15 January 2022 12: 51
            +26
            And what? Kolenka is also from Urengoy. It didn't stop being cheap
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          4. Radio
            Radio 15 January 2022 15: 32
            +7
            Fascists and it did not help. They did not go further than the Valley of Glory in 4 years of the war. And they froze with their mouths too ....
            1. adler87
              adler87 15 January 2022 18: 14
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              Yeah. In dugouts with calls. I see some heroes have gathered.
          5. Volper
            Volper 15 January 2022 17: 13
            +17
            Quote: adler87
            Creams, ointments, and colognes are also still found in German dugouts. But they handed out lyuley to all of Europe, and the USSR in particular. They drove all the way to Moscow. And ours have one spoon and a bowler hat, and they froze in divisions, I'm from the Murmansk region, if anything.

            And when the Germans fled back from Moscow, did they forget you poor dugout or what? Are you still sitting there? Did you personally see the frozen divisions? What if it was whole frozen Russian armies? Did you make a mistake when you counted?
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              1. Alexey V
                Alexey V 15 January 2022 18: 21
                +19
                If you were from the Murmansk lands, you would know that in those places your vaunted Germans could not even cross the border with the USSR. This is not Illovaisk for you)))) with races to Russia, take a break))) ... Not the defense of Donetsk airport with rotations))))
                1. adler87
                  adler87 15 January 2022 18: 30
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                  Specify where?
                  1. boris epstein
                    boris epstein 15 January 2022 18: 53
                    +13
                    Rybachy Peninsula. There, Distle and his warriors did not manage to cross the border.
                    1. adler87
                      adler87 15 January 2022 19: 53
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                      Well done, you know.
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          6. Alexey V
            Alexey V 15 January 2022 18: 10
            +17
            Actually, the final result is important. As you know, the war ended not in the Moscow region, but on the Elbe .... You can immediately see the son of the outlying lands, who has 8 years of war and standing near Donetsk, this is a victory over Russia))))
          7. isv000
            isv000 15 January 2022 19: 14
            +9
            Quote: adler87
            But they handed out lyuley to all of Europe, and the USSR in particular. They drove all the way to Moscow. And ours have one spoon and a bowler hat, and they froze in divisions, I'm from the Murmansk region, if anything.

            It's because of people like you, "lands", that they reached Musta-Tunturi, and because of those who cut them with sharpened spoons and finished them off with bowlers, the Germans still hiccup, looking back to the East ...
          8. unhappy
            unhappy 16 January 2022 07: 06
            -4
            What is the connection between the presence of a bowler hat and a spoon in a soldier on the one hand and the commanders who were planning the military operation in the Arctic? fool
            Incompetent, shameless people who valued their soul and career more than the lives of thousands of soldiers!
          9. Pravodel
            Pravodel 16 January 2022 08: 01
            +6
            Is there something you don't understand? Did the Germans win the Second World War and freed Berlin from the Americans and Russians !? Again, the liberal-liberalist decided to make us happy with the truth, because. We ourselves never knew her for sure and never will know ...
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            1. yehat2
              yehat2 16 January 2022 14: 34
              -7
              I called everything by their proper names, eyewitnesses of the events of 41 often used just such epithets, and my grandfather, a front-line soldier with a bunch of awards, spoke very similarly about the summer of 41. What is the point of being proud of the steadfastness of the defenders of the Brest Fortress and other feats, if at the same time dozens of crowded echelons were beaten out, artillery covered planes at airfields directly from the territory of Poland, the troops ran into the impossibility of taking necessary things from warehouses, etc. There is a bitter saying - heroism always covers a jamb with something, and in the summer of 41, a lot of jambs had to be covered. And to a large extent because they lulled the society with jingoistic rhetoric. I believe that we have no right to do this until there is a 2-3-fold superiority in strength over any opponent. And when there are 4-5 times fewer of us and there are more problems with the replenishment of weapons, jingoistic things generally become close to crime. If anyone is not in the know, now the military-strategic position of the Russian Federation is much worse than that of the USSR in the spring of 41. And if back in 1914 it turned out that courage alone no longer rolls against a machine gun, in fact, now this is clear even to schoolchildren. And if there is also a traitor on a traitor in the rear, it becomes quite fun. Do you believe that in a conflict with NATO, the Rotenberg brothers or Obramochic or Usmanov will help in any way? But they own about 70% of our economy.
              Therefore, I perceive extremely negatively any rhetoric that biasedly appreciates our capabilities. As an example, they admire the su-57, but they are silent that we have 8-9 combat-ready aircraft from the strength, but most likely even less, and the same f-35s are already more than 800, even the Finns already have more stealth aviation contingent than US. And for the same Putin and Shoigu, it was high time to make a speech similar to Stalin's "we will be crushed." But what do we see in reality? Exactly the opposite. The government is preparing to fight not with an external threat, even the police have already given up on their duties and are engaged in a war with a disgruntled population. I somehow worked at the enterprises of the military-industrial complex and saw with my own eyes what the army is armed with. And it did not add optimism at all.
        3. zenion
          zenion 16 January 2022 13: 40
          +3
          Wolper. They've gone crazy there, madmen. They themselves wrote that there are special forces of the West and special forces of Russia. I don’t understand why Russian special forces should be like Western special forces. Here the Red Army was not like the Wehrmacht. For this reason, the Red Army defeated the Wehrmacht.
      3. isv000
        isv000 15 January 2022 19: 07
        +1
        Quote: Terenin
        I agree, well, the Russian special forces cannot carry away so much ... toilet paper

        A burdock, a palm leaf - both of these plants will not say anything to a striped warrior ...
    2. Palmyra
      Palmyra 14 January 2022 21: 18
      +24
      That's right, the tasks are different. Their special forces serve the master's corporations, stage coups, and liquidate those who are objectionable. So this is a purely commercial project. The Russian special forces have peaceful purposes.
      1. nnm
        nnm 14 January 2022 21: 24
        +16
        ... but our armored train is on a siding)))
        1. SKVichyakow
          SKVichyakow 14 January 2022 23: 15
          +69
          Afghanistan has shown what the US and British specialists are like. Some fled under the cover of night, abandoning all weapons and equipment, without notifying even their allies about this. The second, the "valiant Britons", dressed in women's clothing, fled secretly to Kabul. Cowardice, one and the other, they were shown to the whole world. Even the horses are neighing above them. Cool doves though.
          1. Uncle lee
            Uncle lee 15 January 2022 02: 32
            +18
            special forces reconnaissance battalion in the rearguard entered enemy territory
            Quietly crept up like that, from the rear ... Connoisseurs, damn it!
            1. militarist63
              militarist63 15 January 2022 03: 32
              +6
              Yeah! laughing laughing The rear crept up from the rear .... laughing
          2. Zoldat_A
            Zoldat_A 15 January 2022 04: 34
            +18
            Quote: SKVichyakow
            Afghanistan has shown what the US and British specialists are like.

            Even when we were there.
            Father here once told about a meeting of ours and Americans there, organized by the command "to reduce the general tension." As it almost always happens in a certain environment, after the first, second, third, friendly hand-to-hand competitions were immediately organized. To say that the American special forces lost is to say nothing. “Russians fight against the rules”, “Russians don’t understand that the enemy is also a living person”, “Russians don’t fight, but come out with one goal - to kill” ... Yes, I myself, in the early 90s, thanks to my father, learned at a private event the price of their special forces. Section of amateur boxing at the regional House of Culture.

            Well, Americans can be understood. Beating yourself on the cheeks for the sake of anger, shouting louder, calling names for the same reason is a sacred thing for them. And then go out and silently, without having time to understand what happened, get hit in the neck ...
            1. Sling of David
              Sling of David 15 January 2022 09: 10
              +5
              Trust me that in a fight you will prefer a fighter who shoots well than a fighter who fights well
              1. Oleg812spb
                Oleg812spb 15 January 2022 10: 01
                +1
                How do you like the epic "Survivor"?
                1. KERMET
                  KERMET 15 January 2022 11: 44
                  0
                  Everyone has failures, how do you like the Captivity of the Aksai special forces?
              2. Terenin
                Terenin 15 January 2022 10: 13
                +16
                Quote: David's Sling
                Trust me that in a fight you will prefer a fighter who shoots well than a fighter who fights well

                It is desirable to do everything together, and shoot and fight.
                But, the importance of shooting is undeniable.
                I remembered winked from the axioms "All the special forces died in fire contact, and not in hand-to-hand combat", or "Nothing is more inspiring than being shot at and not hit" bully

                On this occasion, I will cite interesting (in my opinion) extracts from these so-called "Combat axioms of control" A "of the Central Security Service of the FSB of Russia ...". These guys know what they are talking about. yes
                - The volume of the biceps does not affect the speed of the bullet.
                - The winner is not the one who shoots first, but the one who hits first.
                - For gaps in fire training, the enemy's bullet puts the mark "failed" in battle.
                - Shooter's level is his worst shot.
                - Mistakes in tactics can be corrected by fast and accurate shooting, errors in shooting cannot be corrected by anything.
                - The strength of the special forces is not in the muscles, but in the brains.
                - If you reached the change of store in fire contact, it means that before that you missed too much.
                - No one has yet managed to miss so quickly as to defeat someone.
                - Nothing replaces a quick and accurate shot.
                - Treat every shot as if it were the only one.
                - There is no point in shooting faster than you can hit...
              3. sgrabik
                sgrabik 15 January 2022 11: 56
                +1
                A real elite commando must be able to do everything, be extremely hardy and steadfast, shoot well with all types of weapons, and be proficient in hand-to-hand and knife combat.
                1. Konnick
                  Konnick 15 January 2022 12: 01
                  +6
                  A real elite commando must be able to do everything, be extremely hardy and persistent, shoot well with all types of weapons, and be good at hand-to-hand and knife combat.


                  A modern commando must be proficient in any means of communication, possess target designation skills, be well versed in the terrain, have logical thinking and not be cannon fodder.
                  1. sgrabik
                    sgrabik 15 January 2022 12: 05
                    +1
                    I agree, and this, too, without a doubt, because the special forces are not in vain considered the elite of the armed forces and are used in the most complex and extremely important operations.
                    1. Konnick
                      Konnick 15 January 2022 12: 13
                      +2
                      I agree, and this is also beyond any doubt, because the special forces are not in vain considered the elite of the armed forces


                      And for some reason, our special forces are more focused on combat skills. Therefore, the tragedy near Kharsenoy happened. When 3 reconnaissance groups of the 2nd separate GRU special forces brigade. went on reconnaissance with machine guns and grenade launchers, but forgot to take spare batteries for the radios.
                      1. tatarin1972
                        tatarin1972 15 January 2022 22: 18
                        0
                        They had batteries, it's not about them. Deal in weariness, physical and moral.
                      2. Konnick
                        Konnick 15 January 2022 22: 27
                        0
                        They had batteries, it's not about them. Deal in weariness, physical and moral.


                        From an interview with one of the scouts who survived the battle, senior sergeant Anton Filippov: “The weather on the night of February 21 was terrible. Wet snow was falling, everyone froze like tsutsiki. And in the morning the sun came out, in February the sun is good. I remember how everyone steam poured in. And then the sun disappeared, apparently gone behind the mountains.

                        We were hit first from two sides, and then completely surrounded. They were fired from flamethrowers and grenade launchers. Of course, we ourselves were largely to blame, relaxed. But for eight days they walked through the mountains, they were tired. It was just physically very difficult to wade through the snow for so long, after that it was very difficult to fight normally. They fell right on the ground. I had to carry everything on myself, ammunition in the first place. Not everyone wanted to carry a sleeping bag. We had only two sleeping bags in the group - me and one more fighter. I carried a walkie-talkie, batteries for it, and also dragged a grenade launcher. There were seconded in the group - engineers, aircraft controllers, artillery spotters. With them was a soldier-radio operator, his grenade launcher was carried by my commander, Samoilov, then he gave it to me, then we changed, and I gave it to someone else. It's just that the radio operator is already tired. So they helped, dragged

                        The batteries on my radio are almost dead. I think that somewhere until the evening of February 21, the latter would have worked for more. On the morning of the twenty-first, I handed over Samoilov's last staff report. He ordered me to inform the command that the radio was running out of power and we were turning off the station so that in an emergency we could transmit something, it would be enough for one time. But when the battle began, I could not convey anything."


                        Why drag machine guns with ammunition into reconnaissance, and a machine-gun belt with 250 rounds of 10 kg? And why didn't they take sleeping bags to the winter mountains? And there were no spare batteries, but the radio operator was with a grenade launcher. And why did they reveal themselves by shooting KamAZ with a mortar?
                      3. tatarin1972
                        tatarin1972 16 January 2022 06: 21
                        0
                        In 1995, he was familiar with the machine gunners of the RGSpn 2 ObrSpn, he carried a tape for 1000, there should be a machine gun in the group. Sleeping bags, good question. Perhaps they left for the night, then redirected, and, as usual, from task to task. There is never a lot of ammunition, there is very little and little, but no more can be lifted and carried away. The radio station has two sets of batteries, but they are used as usual, plus sub-zero temperatures. There may have been intense radio communications. To reconnoiter the divisions, in the Caucasus, in both wars, they were engaged in tasks that were not characteristic of themselves, they were charged with the destruction of bases, caches, air assault operations were hung on them. The work of the group was judged by the result, and the result is captured weapons or video recording (this is already in the second war), bodies, destroyed equipment.
                      4. Konnick
                        Konnick 16 January 2022 06: 28
                        0
                        The work of the group was judged by the result, and the result is captured weapons or video recording (this is already in the second war), bodies, destroyed equipment

                        What destroyed equipment?
                        Their task was to reconnoiter the patency of the road for vehicles. And they did not go for one day. It looks like no conclusions have been drawn. It was also necessary to take the KPVT, it was definitely not "enough". Some took sleeping bags.
                      5. tatarin1972
                        tatarin1972 16 January 2022 06: 45
                        -1
                        Do you know the task of these three groups?! You didn't supervise them by any chance?!
                      6. Konnick
                        Konnick 16 January 2022 06: 51
                        +1
                        Do you know the task of these three groups?! You didn't supervise them by any chance?!

                        You should at least ask on the Internet about this "rainy day" before being smart
                      7. tatarin1972
                        tatarin1972 16 January 2022 07: 25
                        0
                        I knew three personally, Medvedev, Gotoshi, Dudin.
                      8. Konnick
                        Konnick 16 January 2022 10: 17
                        0
                        I knew three personally, Medvedev, Gotoshi, Dudin.

                        Then can you explain why, when reconnaissance of a road in a mountain forest, machine guns and grenade launchers are needed? Why carry extra weight, because this is reconnaissance, and not an assault operation?
                      9. yehat2
                        yehat2 16 January 2022 14: 42
                        +1
                        the whole group had big problems with communication. Even now, after a serious rearmament and renovation, communication problems are far from being completely resolved. The exercises constantly show that in the field, units of the battalion level and less, with communication, constantly have problems, sometimes big ones.
                2. paul3390
                  paul3390 15 January 2022 15: 29
                  -2
                  It's just that Westerners rarely encountered our construction battalion! wink bully
                3. Sling of David
                  Sling of David 15 January 2022 16: 48
                  +1
                  And why hand-to-hand and knife fighting, if there are pistols with a silencer? And if you just need to neutralize, then there is a taser. Cheap, reliable and practical. And the time saved on physical assault training can be more efficiently spent on shooting, improving endurance and orienteering
                  1. yehat2
                    yehat2 16 January 2022 14: 44
                    0
                    war is an inexorably simple thing. Ammo tends to run out and hand-to-hand combat remains. You can't take a box of ammo into the mountains, and your skills don't weigh anything.
              4. Zoldat_A
                Zoldat_A 15 January 2022 12: 56
                +2
                Quote: David's Sling
                Trust me that in a fight you will prefer a fighter who shoots well than a fighter who fights well

                Who knows ... Fight - it can be different. For example, they didn’t teach me how to wage trench warfare in the trenches. Therefore, the ability to work quietly, with bare hands or a Finn was much more valuable to us than the ability to get into a matchbox from the AKS on a dispute.
              5. Xnumx vis
                Xnumx vis 15 January 2022 13: 28
                +3
                Quote: David's Sling
                Trust me that in a fight you will prefer a fighter who shoots well than a fighter who fights well

                In general, I would prefer that Sarmat or Satan from Cuba or Venezuela be shandered, or Poseidon from the abyss of the sea washed like a toilet into the toilet ... Norfolk and Sandiego with Nuyork. And no shooters and fights for you. Clean and fast ... It's not a sling to shoot at peaceful Palestinians ...
                1. Sling of David
                  Sling of David 15 January 2022 16: 45
                  -2
                  Yuri, let's say your crazy dream will come true, let's add to it an even more wet fantasy that the Americans did not strike back. Then for several months, painfully dying from radiation sickness caused by your own nuclear explosions, you will be very jealous of the instantly killed Americans.
                  1. Xnumx vis
                    Xnumx vis 15 January 2022 18: 13
                    +5
                    Let's sit out in eastern Siberia smile in the bunkers ... But seriously, and this is very serious. Israel does not need an aggressive Iran at hand. We do not need Iranian armed units in Syria, Lebanon, Palestine, Egypt. .You want to live in peace , raise children , love your women , earn money ... So ? So . So we do not need US and British troops on our borders and on our land (Little Russia-Ukraine, Moldova, Georgia). For nothing good will come of this .... And it's time for your Soros and Rothschilds to understand that these are not new colonies, not Africa and Latin America. Here they will knock out all the false teeth and pull out all the implanted organs .. . Is it clear now ? Confident - Understood.
                    1. Sling of David
                      Sling of David 15 January 2022 19: 07
                      -3
                      Yuri, you have such a mess in your head, I don’t even know if it’s Hercules or Smolensk ....
                      1. Iran's official ideology is to deny Israel's right to exist within any borders. I have not heard something that the United States denied Russia's right to exist. Accordingly, the approach is different.
                      2. Soros is a strong opponent of nation-states, doubly so when it comes to Israel. This is one of Israel's worst enemies, just like Iran denying Israel's right to exist.
                      3. I have not heard that Ukraine, Moldova, Georgia were part of Russia ... You would read more and then you would not expose yourself to ridicule with your ignorance.
                      1. Palmyra
                        Palmyra 15 January 2022 19: 31
                        -2
                        Ukraine, Moldova, Georgia, independent states, who knows what will happen next?. But they are the sphere of interests of Russia.
                      2. Xnumx vis
                        Xnumx vis 15 January 2022 19: 44
                        +2
                        Quote: David's Sling
                        I have not heard that Ukraine, Moldova, Georgia were part of Russia ...

                        You see what your reaction to Iran is. Immediately you have porridge in your head. etc. it.p .. Accuse the opponent of stupidity and screw him up .. So? As for the fact that you have not heard about Georgia, Ukraine and Moldova .. So Israel was not even in the project. On the political map of the world. You have existed officially for fifty years, no? A little more, a little more nonsense ...... And these countries have been under the Russian crown since the 12th-15th centuries ---"“By God's assisting mercy, We, NN, are the Emperor and Autocrat of the All-Russian, Moscow, Kiev, Vladimir, Novgorod; Tsar Kazanskіy, King Astrahanskіy, King Polskіy, King Sibirskіy, King Hersonissos Tavricheskago, King Gruzinskіy; Sovereign Pskovskіy and Velikіy Prince Smolenskіy, Litovskіy, Volynskіy, Podolskіy and Finlyandskіy; Estlyandskіy Prince Liflyandskіy, Kurlyandskіy and Semigalskіy, Samogitskіy, Bѣlostokskіy, Korelskіy, Tverskіy, Yugorskіy, Permskіy, Vyatskіy, Bolgarskіy and inyh; Emperor and Velikіy Prince Novagoroda nizovskіya land Chernigovskіy, Ryazanskіy, Polotskіy, Rostovskіy, Yaroslavskіy, Bѣlozerskіy, Udorskіy, Obdorskіy, Kondіyskіy, Vitebskіy, Mstislavskіy and All sѣvernyya country Lord and Sovereign Iverskіya, Kartalinskіya and Kabardian lands and regions of Armenia; Cherkasy and Mountain princes and other hereditary Sovereign and Possessor; Sovereign of Turkestan, Heir of Norway, G Duke of Schleswig-Holstein, Stormarn, Dithmarsen and Oldenburg and others, and others, and others”[23]. And then in the Union of Soviet Socialist Republics 80 years! So think about it .. Yes, about the miter intentions of the United States in relation to my country .... I will simply say - Do not drive a blizzard! . Everything says otherwise.
                      3. Sling of David
                        Sling of David 15 January 2022 20: 55
                        -5
                        Tell me, if the United States has such insidious intentions regarding Russia, then why in the early 90s, when Russia was in a completely helpless state, did NATO organize an airlift with humanitarian aid that saved millions of Russians from starvation? But then the United States could, with complete impunity, squeeze anything from Russia. All these facts do not fit into your harmonious theory about adversaries who sleep and see how to offend Russia.
                      4. Eraser
                        Eraser 15 January 2022 21: 42
                        +2
                        What "air bridge"? They brought briquettes of chicken legs frozen to a stone state with ordinary refs. By the way, can you tell me how widely the legs are used in American cuisine? And they didn’t put pressure on it because they decided that everything had already been done, all American and European analytics of the late 90s discussed only one question related to Russia - in which year it will finally disintegrate, in 2002 or, after all, in 2005 and how many parts, 20 or 70?
                        And, by the way, they squeezed out a lot, starting from foreign markets and ending with enterprises within the country. PSA and tolling schemes alone were worth something. Or titanium contracts
                      5. Xnumx vis
                        Xnumx vis 15 January 2022 22: 34
                        +2
                        So they squeezed out everything that is possible! They destroyed everything. Russia has lost 40% of the population, a third of the territory. Is that what you call bush legs help? Alcohol piano? It is not yet known how many diseases and deaths have been brought by these products, which are not consumed at all in the USA! Everything is paid for with gold, oil, timber, titanium, land and people's lives ..... . And these shitty legs .. so many people were not born and died that it's scary to imagine. They helped and did not rob .... Ridiculous .... Well, you are a naive person ..
                      6. Antipatr
                        Antipatr 16 January 2022 07: 33
                        -8
                        Quote: 30 vis
                        Everything is paid for with gold, oil, timber, titanium, land and people's lives ..... . And these shitty legs .. so many people were not born and died

                        Ivans, not remembering goodness. Watch this video on YouTube, you might feel ashamed. Although unlikely:
                        https://youtu.be/-FozUDazgJw
                      7. Xnumx vis
                        Xnumx vis 16 January 2022 08: 46
                        +5
                        We don't remember the good!? You have gone to the edge .. If it weren’t for the USSR, not the Soviet warrior, not Ivan and Mary, you all burned out in the ESS ovens, or became at best a bar of soap, fertilizer on the fields of the Bauers ... And for your rotten legs, smelly from chemistry and drugs paid with the blood of my compatriots .. You began to talk! Video on YouTube ... Wow! Medals of my grandfathers for the defeat of Nazi Germany. here's an argument ... Oborzeli to the Land. Get out!
                      8. aleks700
                        aleks700 16 January 2022 13: 38
                        +3
                        Ah, what an answer! Shake your hand.
                      9. sgrabik
                        sgrabik 16 January 2022 16: 08
                        0
                        Well, you're a bastard, just sick of such vile nits like you and your kind !!!
                      10. region58
                        region58 16 January 2022 11: 55
                        +1
                        Quote: David's Sling
                        All these facts do not fit

                        They fit, how they fit. To allow a complete paralysis of power or, God forbid, a civil war in a country with nuclear weapons is not an option. Who knows who will get access to the "button". Therefore, it is better to support a bit. At the same time, the image ... I’ll say more: I think if something like this happens in the States, we will also support it, despite today’s confrontation. To avoid, so to speak... yes
                      11. sgrabik
                        sgrabik 16 January 2022 16: 03
                        0
                        The United States is now very sorry that they did not deal with Russia in the 90s, did not divide it into separate disparate parts, their protege Yeltsin was ready to fulfill their every whim, but they did not succeed, and now this task is practically impossible for them , today Russia is the only country that is guaranteed to destroy the United States, along with all their satellites.
              6. SIT
                SIT 15 January 2022 18: 17
                +2
                Quote: David's Sling
                Trust me that in a fight you will prefer a fighter who shoots well than a fighter who fights well

                If it comes to fire contact with the enemy, then nothing will help, including excellent shooting. To destroy one group of Special Forces, our sworn partners and those brothers in mind from the palm trees whom they taught raise a brigade in alarm. The area is tightly sealed. It is necessary to shoot well, so that they personally change their minds about taking them alive. The machine gunner will be the first to go to another world without problems. Those who are taken alive will envy the dead.
              7. Sergey Kulikov_3
                Sergey Kulikov_3 15 January 2022 20: 40
                +2
                And who told you that the one who fights well, shoots badly?
                1. Sling of David
                  Sling of David 15 January 2022 20: 46
                  -2
                  Law: time spent on physical assault is necessarily at the expense of learning other, much more important skills.
                  1. Sergey Kulikov_3
                    Sergey Kulikov_3 15 January 2022 20: 53
                    +2
                    Do you think that physical training is not necessary for shooting? And explain what you mean by important skills?
                    1. Sling of David
                      Sling of David 15 January 2022 22: 01
                      -1
                      Physical endurance, morale, firepower, the ability to act in an original way in unusual situations, orienteering, medical training, the ability to use modern electronics and communications: any of these skills is more important for a commando than mastery of assault.
                      PS physical training and hand-to-hand combat are two different things.
                      1. Sergey Kulikov_3
                        Sergey Kulikov_3 15 January 2022 22: 34
                        0
                        You are confusing the Airborne Forces and the special forces, they are almost the same in terms of skills, but the main thing for the special forces is "silence". Yes, and massacre is not taught to special forces, hand-to-hand combat is not boxing at all. I understand that it's hard for you to understand with girls in combat units and actions from under the tishka, but it's true.
                      2. Sling of David
                        Sling of David 15 January 2022 23: 55
                        -1
                        I already wrote that for silence there are weapons with silencers. Much more efficient. Hand-to-hand is needed only in the amount to repel the attacker in case of a sudden attack and buy time to use the weapon.
                      3. SIT
                        SIT 16 January 2022 14: 20
                        -1
                        Quote: David's Sling
                        I already wrote that for silence there are weapons with silencers. Much more efficient. Hand-to-hand is needed only in the amount to repel the attacker in case of a sudden attack and buy time to use the weapon.

                        The weapon is completely silent. For example, the clang of the bolt group cannot be confused with anything. But any weapon, including a knife, is blood. Blood dogs work flawlessly, which means that the corpse will be found very quickly, no matter how you disguise it. If you work without blood, then of course they will also find him, but later, which means there will be more time to carry your legs. Maybe you'll be lucky to make it to the evacuation point.
                      4. ROSS_51
                        ROSS_51 16 January 2022 14: 44
                        0
                        Quote: David's Sling
                        Physical endurance, morale, firepower, the ability to act in an original way in unusual situations, orienteering, medical training, the ability to use modern electronics and communications: any of these skills is more important for a commando than mastery of assault.
                        PS physical training and hand-to-hand combat are two different things.

                        Physical endurance, moral preparation and hand-to-hand combat are different things for you? Yes, you, I'll see, a noble theoretician. In other words, when the enemy makes a mistake .. let him make a mistake ..
                        I remember when the spirit came into the company, almost every week there were company championships in hand-to-hand combat, boxing, karate, and wrestling. And in the company, through one CCM, they set up to fight with demobilizations. And do not care that you only heard about karate .. And you will piss to beat the demobilization, they will punish the demobilization themselves .. but after lights out.
                        Can you guess why this was done? Assault..hah..you might think we were taught to fight..))
                  2. sgrabik
                    sgrabik 16 January 2022 16: 12
                    0
                    David's sling, you write ridiculous nonsense, which prevents you from being able to perfectly master both of them without any restrictions, that's why special forces exist to be excellent at both.
              8. ROSS_51
                ROSS_51 16 January 2022 14: 10
                +1
                Quote: David's Sling
                Trust me that in a fight you will prefer a fighter who shoots well than a fighter who fights well

                Is it possible together? Not? Do you prepare shooting and hand-to-hand combat in different troops?
              9. meandr51
                meandr51 18 January 2022 02: 57
                +1
                He shoots well who does not tremble with fear.
            2. SKVichyakow
              SKVichyakow 15 January 2022 13: 46
              +1
              Quote: Zoldat_A
              Quote: SKVichyakow
              Afghanistan has shown what the US and British specialists are like.

              Even when we were there.
              Father here once told about a meeting of ours and Americans there, organized by the command "to reduce the general tension." As it almost always happens in a certain environment, after the first, second, third, friendly hand-to-hand competitions were immediately organized. To say that the American special forces lost is to say nothing. “Russians fight against the rules”, “Russians don’t understand that the enemy is also a living person”, “Russians don’t fight, but come out with one goal - to kill” ... Yes, I myself, in the early 90s, thanks to my father, learned at a private event the price of their special forces. Section of amateur boxing at the regional House of Culture.

              Well, Americans can be understood. Beating yourself on the cheeks for the sake of anger, shouting louder, calling names for the same reason is a sacred thing for them. And then go out and silently, without having time to understand what happened, get hit in the neck ...

              The standards for the preparation of special forces, at the request of the special forces, have been adjusted in the direction of increasing the time for its implementation.
            3. alexey sidykin
              alexey sidykin 15 January 2022 14: 32
              +3
              Quote: Zoldat_A
              Quote: SKVichyakow
              Afghanistan has shown what the US and British specialists are like.

              Even when we were there.
              Father here once told about a meeting of ours and Americans there, organized by the command "to reduce the general tension." As it almost always happens in a certain environment, after the first, second, third, friendly hand-to-hand competitions were immediately organized. To say that the American special forces lost is to say nothing. “Russians fight against the rules”, “Russians don’t understand that the enemy is also a living person”, “Russians don’t fight, but come out with one goal - to kill” ... Yes, I myself, in the early 90s, thanks to my father, learned at a private event the price of their special forces. Section of amateur boxing at the regional House of Culture.

              Well, Americans can be understood. Beating yourself on the cheeks for the sake of anger, shouting louder, calling names for the same reason is a sacred thing for them. And then go out and silently, without having time to understand what happened, get hit in the neck ...

              Why Afghan. It was kadetsya in 2008, where everyone selected the coolest of the coolest, ours sent only representatives from the Airborne Forces to special forces competitions. We got to the finish line first.
              1. paul3390
                paul3390 15 January 2022 15: 31
                +4
                "Russians fight against the rules"

                How is it in the classics - how does combat sambo differ from sports sambo? In combat - each technique begins with a kick to the Faberge .. laughing
                1. Zoldat_A
                  Zoldat_A 15 January 2022 22: 57
                  +1
                  Quote: paul3390
                  "Russians fight against the rules"

                  How is it in the classics - how does combat sambo differ from sports sambo? In combat - each technique begins with a kick to the Faberge .. laughing

                  Before reaching combat sambo, he was engaged in sports sambo since childhood. How much "splash" I received from coaches later for my sports "gentlemanship"! It seems that only in the army for the first time they clearly explained that at home, after the demobilization, it will be possible to go out to fight with a bouquet of flowers. And when life and the fulfillment of a task depend on skill and speed, only one principle works: "Maximum damage as quickly as possible." And according to Faberge or not - this is the tenth question ...
              2. boris epstein
                boris epstein 15 January 2022 19: 05
                +1
                Moreover, the Americans participating in these competitions got lost in the Ural forest in the presence of maps and a compass. Electronic bells and whistles were banned from the competition. At the cross-country, Suvorov's Sergey Murskov, who was on vacation, decided on his own initiative to compete with the Americans, started 5 minutes later, and came to the finish line 5 minutes earlier. This was in July 1996.
            4. IL-18
              IL-18 15 January 2022 16: 31
              0
              Quote: Zoldat_A
              Section of amateur boxing at the regional House of Culture.

              Logically. Who is cooler, those in the professional field of boxing go to earn money. The rest are in the special forces. Psychologists send them there, like you will be: "elite". Here they are being carried out.
              Then, after meeting with an opponent or just an ill-wisher, to a psychiatrist. belay
              1. Sergey Kulikov_3
                Sergey Kulikov_3 15 January 2022 21: 04
                +1
                Boxing is a competition with rules, a lot of things are forbidden there and they are not taught this, do you really think that a fighter trained for the ring can survive in a fight without rules?
            5. MAT
              MAT 15 January 2022 17: 19
              +4
              Back in the holy 90s, our church father somehow broke the hand of the American green beret with his golden cross.
          3. rammjager
            rammjager 15 January 2022 14: 24
            -4
            Quote: SKVichyakow
            Afghanistan has shown what the US and British specialists are like. Some fled under the cover of night, abandoning all weapons and equipment, without notifying even their allies about this. The second, the "valiant Britons", dressed in women's clothing, fled secretly to Kabul. Cowardice, one and the other, they were shown to the whole world. Even the horses are neighing above them. Cool doves though.

            Definitely! You are cooler! On the couch.
      2. Nyrobsky
        Nyrobsky 14 January 2022 23: 24
        +29
        Quote: Palmyra
        Their special forces serve the master's corporations, stage coups, and liquidate those who are objectionable.

        At the same time, they demonstrated how enchantingly their specialists screwed up when they tried to physically eliminate Maduro, when their representatives and coordinators were captured by the Venezuelans, after which Trump slammed John Bolton, who was in charge of this event, with a bang.
        1. Zoldat_A
          Zoldat_A 15 January 2022 04: 41
          +14
          Quote: Nyrobsky
          how enchantingly their specialists screwed up when they tried to physically eliminate Maduro

          They will also make a film about this "heroism", wait.
          They filmed "The Fall of the" Black Hawk ", turning a phenomenal failure in everything into a heroic operation of the heroic American special forces.

          In "Black Hawk Down", as far as I remember, they did without "evil Russians". Here they will definitely tell in full about how the "evil us" prevented their heroes from "bringing the light of true democracy."
          1. Eug
            Eug 15 January 2022 08: 24
            +11
            And if you remember the release of the hostages from the embassy in Tehran...
            1. Zoldat_A
              Zoldat_A 15 January 2022 08: 32
              +3
              Quote: Eug
              And if you remember the release of the hostages from the embassy in Tehran...

              Sorry, I don’t remember now - about 10 years ago I watched a film about the heroic defense of the American embassy. I don’t remember, unfortunately, about this “heroism” or some other. You never know the American special forces have "heroic operations" ...
              1. Sergey Kulikov_3
                Sergey Kulikov_3 15 January 2022 20: 48
                0
                You must have watched "American Ninja"
                1. Zoldat_A
                  Zoldat_A 15 January 2022 22: 32
                  0
                  Quote: Sergey Kulikov_3
                  You must have watched "American Ninja"

                  According to vague memories - an Arab country, the American embassy, ​​several American special forces on the roof of the embassy, ​​a fence, a crowd, an assault on the embassy.
                  No, there were no ninjas...
                  1. provergatel
                    provergatel 17 January 2022 09: 08
                    +1
                    It was they who filmed the events in Libya, where their ambassador was also knocked out and dragged his carcass in a crowd through the streets of Tripoli.

                    And in Kin, there is one heroism and rambovost.
          2. Sling of David
            Sling of David 16 January 2022 04: 52
            -4
            And the “storm gates” were filmed about an enchanting victory? Sorry for asking...
            1. Zoldat_A
              Zoldat_A 16 January 2022 06: 41
              +4
              Quote: David's Sling
              And the “storm gates” were filmed about an enchanting victory? Sorry for asking...

              Not about an enchanting victory, but about the legendary stamina and fidelity to duty and the Oath. Sorry for answering...
      3. businessv
        businessv 14 January 2022 23: 35
        +28
        Quote: Palmyra
        That's right, the tasks are different.

        That's for sure! Our guys don’t even have homosexuals, not to mention transgender people and other evil spirits, how can they even be compared?! lol
        1. Palmyra
          Palmyra 14 January 2022 23: 54
          +7
          Yes, not modern somehow ... lol
      4. Volper
        Volper 15 January 2022 00: 36
        +15
        Quote: Palmyra
        The Russian special forces have peaceful purposes.

        We need peace! Preferably all... laughing
        1. sgrabik
          sgrabik 15 January 2022 12: 27
          +1
          Well said, it's time to move the Americans and break their world hegemony!!!
          1. Antipatr
            Antipatr 16 January 2022 08: 09
            -3
            Quote: sgrabik
            it's time to move the Americans and break their world hegemony!!!

            Defeat the Colorado potato beetle first
            1. sgrabik
              sgrabik 16 January 2022 16: 18
              0
              And you first put things in order in your head, and then write, lover of Colorado beetles !!!
      5. culinary
        culinary 15 January 2022 00: 50
        +1
        Quote: Palmyra
        That's right, the tasks are different. Their special forces serve the master's corporations, stage coups, and liquidate those who are objectionable. So this is a purely commercial project. The Russian special forces have peaceful purposes.

        Kill? Peaceful purposes?
        Do not make me laugh. It's their job...
        1. Palmyra
          Palmyra 15 January 2022 12: 03
          0
          And in Kazakhstan, were there non-peaceful targets? And in general, what are the goals of the special forces?
          1. culinary
            culinary 15 January 2022 14: 32
            +2
            Quote: Palmyra
            And in Kazakhstan, were there non-peaceful targets? And in general, what are the goals of the special forces?

            Did they introduce special forces into Kazakhstan?
            Not Airborne?
            Or is the blue beret automatically equated with special forces or MTR?
            1. Palmyra
              Palmyra 15 January 2022 18: 42
              0
              It doesn't matter who was brought in, what matters is why they are there.
      6. aleks700
        aleks700 15 January 2022 03: 36
        0
        peaceful purposes. Sounds ambiguous.
      7. Ugochaves
        Ugochaves 15 January 2022 06: 22
        +4
        Yep, they confirm. wink
      8. rammjager
        rammjager 15 January 2022 14: 23
        +2
        Quote: Palmyra
        That's right, the tasks are different. Their special forces serve the master's corporations, stage coups, and liquidate those who are objectionable. So this is a purely commercial project. The Russian special forces have peaceful purposes.

        Do you even think when you write! Special Forces for peaceful purposes! Flowers, or what, to distribute?
        1. Palmyra
          Palmyra 15 January 2022 19: 03
          0
          Well, what flowers? Why did the military come to Kazakhstan? They have come to bring peace. How to achieve peace is another question. Well, why do you need to chew, simple things?
      9. Doliva63
        Doliva63 15 January 2022 16: 09
        +2
        Quote: Palmyra
        That's right, the tasks are different. Their special forces serve the master's corporations, stage coups, and liquidate those who are objectionable. So this is a purely commercial project. The Russian special forces have peaceful purposes.

        Are you talking about which of the Russian special forces: the Federal Penitentiary Service, the FSB, the Ministry of Internal Affairs, the Ministry of Emergency Situations, the RF Armed Forces, or some other? laughing And in the article it is also not clear who it is about - either about the MTR, or about the FSB, everything is dumped into a heap.
        1. Palmyra
          Palmyra 15 January 2022 19: 05
          0
          Who cares? Each has its own functions, and the goal is one, to establish peace.
          1. Doliva63
            Doliva63 15 January 2022 19: 45
            +1
            Quote: Palmyra
            Who cares? Each has its own functions, and the goal is one, to establish peace.

            Well, yes. What's the difference if the goals are different? Are you all right with your health? belay If the goals are different, then there is a difference. And the world in this world, alas, does not smell. Corporations for the sake of profits are ready for any war. America, for example, initiated more than 300 military conflicts for this. How much the Russian Federation is ready to initiate, time will tell. And it will be special forces at the forefront of conflicts. After all, we have such capitalism as there.
            1. Palmyra
              Palmyra 15 January 2022 19: 59
              0
              That's just not necessary to draw parallels between the West and Russia. Russia has never had colonies and never will. Therefore, to initiate a conflict, for the purpose of profit, is not relevant. Even in Syria, Russia is invited, unlike lovers of democracy and free resources.
              1. Doliva63
                Doliva63 15 January 2022 20: 06
                +1
                Quote: Palmyra
                That's just not necessary to draw parallels between the West and Russia. Russia has never had colonies and never will. Therefore, to initiate a conflict, for the purpose of profit, is not relevant. Even in Syria, Russia is invited, unlike lovers of democracy and free resources.

                You are young and naive. And poorly educated. The population density in the Russian Federation is about the same as in the Sahara - what colonies, what are you talking about? I would sell my own!) But times are changing. And capital is transboundary. Therefore, Russian PMCs in Africa, for example.
                1. Palmyra
                  Palmyra 15 January 2022 20: 15
                  -1
                  Well, you still start swearing to make it more convincing. You should not lose the thought, so as not to get confused in the answers. PMC private education. Best wishes.
      10. isv000
        isv000 15 January 2022 19: 15
        +1
        Quote: Palmyra
        The Russian special forces have peaceful purposes.

        Peace - the world!
    3. Sotskiy
      Sotskiy 14 January 2022 21: 20
      +16
      Quote: SaLaR
      We are not you .... We are Russia, not 3,14ndostan .... soldier

      Watch the never-ending series on NTV "Sea Devils" and you will understand what it is about. laughing laughing wink
      This is how the elite of the Navy is "advertised" in the media of the Russian Federation .... lol (always with respect to BC5!)
      1. culinary
        culinary 15 January 2022 00: 52
        +10
        Quote: Sovetskiy
        Quote: SaLaR
        We are not you .... We are Russia, not 3,14ndostan .... soldier

        Watch the never-ending series on NTV "Sea Devils" and you will understand what it is about. laughing laughing wink
        This is how the elite of the Navy is "advertised" in the media of the Russian Federation .... lol (always with respect to BC5!)

        A blunder on a blunder, but no worse than Hollywood. Again there are no blacks. laughing
        1. isv000
          isv000 15 January 2022 19: 17
          0
          Quote: kulinar
          A blunder on a blunder, but no worse than Hollywood. Again there are no blacks.

          And we have great aunts!
    4. Real Pilot
      Real Pilot 14 January 2022 21: 37
      +30
      Some tactics of their special forces have not yet been mastered by ours.
      For example, fleeing in burqas in the Middle East, as the British SAS periodically practices! The main thing is that the trunks do not stick out ...

      And our special forces are not obliged to meet their standards! Because the work of the special forces is based on surprise and unconventional tactics (who foresaw the CSTO peacekeepers in Kazakhstan, huh?). If the guys are expected in advance and their plan is known, then the operation has failed before the start.
      1. Igoresha
        Igoresha 15 January 2022 09: 01
        +1
        Some tactics of their special forces have not yet been mastered by ours.


        and silence in a rag mastered?

        Apparently, everything was filmed on the basis of the 10th separate GRU special forces brigade (military unit 51532) near the Molkino farm (Krasnodar Territory), and this happened a couple of days ago.

        "A fighter from the Caucasus" strangled and slapped "a monument to the dead soldiers of the 10th brigade of the GRU special forces"

        https://pikabu.ru/story/boets_s_kavkaza_pridushil_i_dal_poshchechinu_pamyatniku_pogibshim_boytsam_10y_brigadyi_spetsnaza_gru_8749265
        1. Zaurbek
          Zaurbek 15 January 2022 09: 49
          +6
          They are threatened with 2-5 years ...... And education is to blame for everything .... Which the state does poorly
          1. Igoresha
            Igoresha 15 January 2022 13: 57
            +2
            They face 2-5 years...
            it would be nice ..... otherwise corrosion corrodes everything
        2. isv000
          isv000 15 January 2022 19: 23
          +2
          Quote: Igoresha
          "A fighter from the Caucasus" strangled and slapped "a monument to the dead soldiers of the 10th brigade of the GRU special forces"

          https://pikabu.ru/story/boets_s_kavkaza_pridushil_i_dal_poshchechinu_pamyatniku_pogibshim_boytsam_10y_brigadyi_spetsnaza_gru_8749265

          One hope for the inmates that they will strangle them a little so that the soft point acquires femininity ...
      2. alexey sidykin
        alexey sidykin 15 January 2022 14: 37
        +3
        Quote: RealPilot
        Some tactics of their special forces have not yet been mastered by ours.
        For example, fleeing in burqas in the Middle East, as the British SAS periodically practices! The main thing is that the trunks do not stick out ...

        And our special forces are not obliged to meet their standards! Because the work of the special forces is based on surprise and unconventional tactics (who foresaw the CSTO peacekeepers in Kazakhstan, huh?). If the guys are expected in advance and their plan is known, then the operation has failed before the start.

        As for the British in Afghanistan, I don’t agree. They completed the task, and how they got to the point ... during hostilities behind enemy lines, all means are good to achieve the task.
      3. isv000
        isv000 15 January 2022 19: 17
        +1
        Quote: RealPilot
        The main thing is that the trunks do not stick out ...

        Where from ?!
    5. uralant
      uralant 14 January 2022 23: 56
      +8
      It's time for these guys to think about themselves as a retired rambo, a walker is in the same place, the signal went to Russia in general, who was the special forces left there?
  2. nnm
    nnm 14 January 2022 20: 37
    +46
    Well, you need to understand, USASOC -33 800. And who should be counted in the Russian Federation? SSO, GRU, TsSN, Navy specialists, DShB, Special Forces of the Russian Guard, etc.? Well, the goals of the departments are different. The same SOC also includes, in principle, an analogue of our DShB-75 rangers.
    Well, we compare the number without taking into account the specifics of the units.
    In Afghanistan, the vaunted US specialists have already shown themselves perfectly ....
    1. poquello
      poquello 14 January 2022 20: 48
      +4
      Quote: nnm
      Well, you need to understand, USASOC -33 800. And who should be counted in the Russian Federation? MTR, GRU, TsSN, Navy specialists, DShB, etc.?

      Are you making any demands on them?
    2. Lt. Air Force stock
      Lt. Air Force stock 14 January 2022 20: 51
      -4
      Quote: nnm
      Well, you need to understand, USASOC -33 800. And who should be counted in the Russian Federation? MTR, GRU, TsSN, Navy specialists, DShB, etc.? Well, the goals of the departments are different. The same SOC also includes, in principle, an analogue of our DShB-75 rangers.
      Well, we compare the number without taking into account the specifics of the units.

      In the United States, Marines are trained virtually on a par with our paratroopers. There are 200000 of them. The Airborne Forces are not special forces, but rapid reaction troops, one of the most combat-ready, but special forces are there separately, there are special forces companies, 45 special forces brigade. Airborn (analogous to the Airborne Forces) the United States has only 2 divisions.
      1. nnm
        nnm 14 January 2022 20: 56
        +6
        And how do 75 rangers differ from the DShB in terms of quality? And the USMC is not part of the USASOC, but I don’t propose to count the Marines either. I'm not talking about that at all. The special forces are very strong, maybe, except for the delta, if we are talking about the United States, they are tailored to their specifics. For example, the same American kotikovskaya six. Well, how can you collectively compare a bolt with a finger?
        1. Lt. Air Force stock
          Lt. Air Force stock 14 January 2022 21: 14
          -7
          Quote: nnm
          And how do 75 rangers differ from the DShB in terms of quality?

          Rangers (eng. Rangers) - a parachute regiment of deep reconnaissance, it looks more like our airborne forces, the airborne assault units operate in the front line, and not in the depths (rear) of the enemy.

          The differences lie in the names themselves. DShB is an air assault brigade organized and specializing in attacks near the rear of the enemy in the event of large-scale military operations. The air assault brigades are subordinate to the Airborne Forces - airborne troops, as one of their divisions and specialize only in assault captures.

          The Airborne Forces are airborne troops whose tasks are to capture the enemy, as well as to capture and destroy enemy weapons and other air operations. The functionality of the Airborne Forces is much wider - reconnaissance, sabotage, assault.
          1. nnm
            nnm 14 January 2022 21: 32
            +12
            See less Wikipedia. Both one and the other perform similar tasks in a comparable depth behind enemy lines.
            DShB is not only the capture of a bridgehead, but also the destruction of command posts, OTR launch points, the capture of transport hubs, reconnaissance behind enemy lines, etc. Here is some fundamental difference with the rangers, excuse me, dear colleague, but I can’t find it.
          2. culinary
            culinary 15 January 2022 00: 59
            -1
            Quote: nnm
            See less Wikipedia. Both one and the other perform similar tasks in a comparable depth behind enemy lines.
            DShB is not only the capture of a bridgehead, but also the destruction of command posts, OTR launch points, the capture of transport hubs, reconnaissance behind enemy lines, etc. Here is some fundamental difference with the rangers, excuse me, dear colleague, but I can’t find it.

            Ranger most often refers to:

            Park ranger or forest ranger, a person charged with protecting and protecting protected parklands or forests.
            National Park Service ranger, an employee of the National Park Service
            US Forest Service ranger, an employee of the United States Forest Service
            Ranger of Windsor Great Park, a ceremonial office of the United Kingdom
            Ranger (character class), a class that appears in many different role-playing games
            I also worked as a ranger in Queen Park... laughing
    3. Terenin
      Terenin 14 January 2022 20: 55
      +5
      But in terms of the number of this type of troops of the Russian Federation (about 10 thousand people, of which more than half are contract soldiers) is seriously inferior to the United States, where there are five times more fighters) \.

      Well, this is no longer special forces, but a whole army winked this is a different tactic.
    4. den3080
      den3080 14 January 2022 21: 00
      +6
      The abbreviation sounds funny and so ... semi-censored for the Russian ear
      USASOC - USASOK.
      smile
  3. SaLaR
    SaLaR 14 January 2022 20: 38
    +7
    Brothers... You are the best........... soldier
  4. Terenin
    Terenin 14 January 2022 20: 39
    +46
    “Russian special forces are far from meeting Western standards”: in the US press about the MTR of Russia

    Well, thank you Lord!
    1. ohtsistem
      ohtsistem 14 January 2022 21: 19
      +6
      "Lord" is capitalized hi
      1. nnm
        nnm 14 January 2022 21: 41
        +11
        Well, then you remind about the comma before the appeal, so as not to go twice)))
        1. Vasyan1971
          Vasyan1971 14 January 2022 23: 15
          -3
          Quote: nnm
          Well, then you remind about the comma before the appeal, so as not to go twice)))

          There is no comma before "and".
      2. mitroha
        mitroha 14 January 2022 21: 49
        +10
        Perhaps this is not a praise of the Lord, but only an established phrase. Don't forget there are a lot of atheists in our country
      3. El Chuvachino
        El Chuvachino 14 January 2022 22: 10
        +10
        In the case of colloquial speech and well-established phrases, it is written with a small one according to the rules of the Russian language.
      4. sergo1914
        sergo1914 14 January 2022 23: 21
        +8
        Quote: ohtsistem
        "Lord" is capitalized hi


        Fuck!!! And Patriarch Kirill writes comments here? Take care, bro.
      5. Terenin
        Terenin 15 January 2022 09: 41
        +4
        Quote: ohtsistem
        "Lord" is capitalized hi

        Thanks for the comment hi
        But, not in all meanings the word "Lord" is written with Пpainted.

        For example, according to the explanatory dictionary of Ozhegov C.I.
        the meaning of the word Lord [hoʹ]. 1. see the Lord. 2. int. The same as God.
        Lord [ho], between. [old vocative form of lord] (colloquial). An exclamation expressing a feeling of surprise, surprise, annoyance. G.! yes, what is it? G.! what nonsense! ◊ God forbid or forbid (colloquial) - about something. very undesirable. Don't let Mr. meet him. Forgive me, Lord (colloquial) - exclamation, use. as an indication of a certain sharpness of the expressed. Well, God forgive me!

        Also, according to the dictionary of D.N. Ushakov
        e.g. the Lord knows him, the Lord is with you, etc.
    2. cniza
      cniza 14 January 2022 21: 35
      +6
      Quote: Terenin
      “Russian special forces are far from meeting Western standards”: in the US press about the MTR of Russia

      Well, thank you Lord!


      Here, now let them calm down and rest ...
      1. rocket757
        rocket757 14 January 2022 22: 52
        +4
        Hollywood standards, they are just the right thing to do ... yes, in general, you need to rejoice and do what you need to do. The only way.
        1. cniza
          cniza 15 January 2022 09: 01
          +5
          Let them continue to watch Hollywood, it apparently helps them calm down ...
          1. rocket757
            rocket757 15 January 2022 09: 30
            +1
            Hollywood, this, of course, is spectacular ... but when such growers visit the cell phone, it’s somehow not fun!
            The night was covered with a kind, strong wind ... we are sitting without light, or rather, on the generator and the coating has been torn off the roof ... everything is covered with snow (dofiga it) and it MELTS!
            In general, continuous "Hollywood"!
            1. cniza
              cniza 15 January 2022 11: 49
              +3
              Nature, yes, you can’t joke with it, but we already climbed in order where we shouldn’t have ...
              1. rocket757
                rocket757 15 January 2022 14: 57
                +1
                If you climb somewhere, then do it thoroughly and wisely!!!
                The Internet is buggy again .... what was transmitted from what was written, I don’t understand myself negative
                1. cniza
                  cniza 15 January 2022 21: 00
                  +2
                  Everything seems to be going well, so everything will be fine ...
  5. AML
    AML 14 January 2022 20: 41
    +10
    Certainly far. If there are gays and transgenders, then they behave quietly. No separate toilets for them

    Well, I may have forgotten, but can anyone remind me that the Deltas had successful operations at all?
    1. nnm
      nnm 14 January 2022 21: 00
      +17
      Of course there were. And the most successful ones are the ones that no one will ever write about. Do not belittle the enemy. Delta is the elite and should be taken seriously. But, of course, there were failures, including the very first operation in Iran. But like everyone else, there is no victory without defeat.
      1. Tasvarksezen
        Tasvarksezen 15 January 2022 02: 18
        +1
        Yes, there were, but I can’t talk about them :))
        With the addiction of the Americans to advertising, when they even quickly declassified and publicized the successful assault by the deltas of the Panamanian prison in 1989. Don't make fun of my slippers. Just among the so far classified Delta operations, there should be much more failures than successes.
        1. -Paul-
          -Paul- 15 January 2022 08: 40
          +3
          It seems that the entire Delta perished in Grenada, where the Cuban construction battalion multiplied it all by zero.
        2. sgrabik
          sgrabik 15 January 2022 12: 51
          +2
          I agree that, of course, you should not engage in underestimation and hatred, the American special forces are a serious force and in order to successfully counter it, you need to study their tactics in detail during various military operations and develop your own tactics for effective counteraction in the event of quite possible military clashes with them in the future .
    2. English tarantas
      English tarantas 14 January 2022 22: 03
      .
      Invasion of Iraq 2003. Delta units entered from the west, from Jordanian territory. Overcoming hundreds of kilometers through the desert, they carried out reconnaissance and attacks on enemy targets in the deep rear. In the end, they found and destroyed the command post of the scuds, in short, the headquarters of the Iraqi Strategic Missile Forces. Any questions? And it’s not like dawn, but your tribe is heard
      1. Tasvarksezen
        Tasvarksezen 14 January 2022 22: 49
        +23
        Is this the Delta that in 1980 was noted in the epically infamous operation "Eagle Claw" in Iran? Well, this is where the Americans flew to save the American embassy in Tehran, they couldn’t get there, for the sake of secrecy they sat in an inconspicuous place, which turned out to be near a busy highway and were afraid that they would be discovered? After that, the idea came to the ingenious brains of the Deltovites (purely for the sake of secrecy!) To shoot all the civilian cars of the Iranians passing along this highway and managed to chop up a lot ... And only after crumbling, they realized that this was not the best way to stealth and, having waited for the tankers, they tried to fly away , but they immediately crashed into their own tanker by helicopter, lost eight people, after which they realized that they had to drape and still managed to escape from Iran, leaving the Iranians the bodies of their dead comrades, all helicopters, documentation, radio codes. Read it, it's informative https://topwar.ru/31321-specnaz-ne-znayuschiy-pobed-amerikanskie-delta-fors.html

        Or are you talking about those American special forces who managed to fuck even some Somalis in 1993 during the most shameful incident in Mogadishu?

        As I understand it, the Delta people managed to do something only in a negotiated war with Hussein, when in 2003 the Americans simply bought all the top leadership of Iraq and then obediently leaked the whole war to them. SO delta people know how to fight when the enemy is bought in advance.
      2. Tasvarksezen
        Tasvarksezen 14 January 2022 23: 06
        +20
        Or maybe you are talking about that Delta, which in 1983 during an operation in Grenada, managed to lose nine helicopters and fled, but on the other hand, American helicopter pilots, who were ordered to suppress local anti-aircraft guns, heroically shot ... a madhouse?
    3. sergo1914
      sergo1914 14 January 2022 23: 25
      +6
      Quote: AML
      Certainly far. If there are gays and transgenders, then they behave quietly. No separate toilets for them

      Well, I may have forgotten, but can anyone remind me that the Deltas had successful operations at all?


      Are you kidding me? Do you watch Chuck Norris movies?
    4. krops777
      krops777 15 January 2022 09: 56
      0
      Well, I may have forgotten, but can anyone remind me that the Deltas had successful operations at all?


      No, after another failure in Grenada and then in Iraq, the delta is no longer involved in special operations.
  6. andr327
    andr327 14 January 2022 20: 41
    +16
    They know how to make films. Don't take this away! But life is not a movie...
  7. Lt. Air Force stock
    Lt. Air Force stock 14 January 2022 20: 42
    +14
    About the number of nonsense is complete, there cannot be 50000 special forces in the USA. Fur seals 3000 people somewhere, delta 800-1000 people, green berets 10000, rangers 5300.
    1. Vadim237
      Vadim237 14 January 2022 23: 56
      +2
      This author is most likely to the army special forces - the special forces of the National Guard and the US police added.
    2. Sankiny
      Sankiny 15 January 2022 07: 54
      0
      Quote: Lt. air force reserve
      About the number of nonsense is complete

      - what is it, children are being trained for such professions, the barmaley have 3-4 thousand, others have from 10 to 50 thousand boys;
      - now "Ba-Bam!" - Chinese Lee only 50 million;
      - after this number, our and the "Evonian" "Nazis" can be measured by anything, various parts of the body will not save them from a sidelong glance!)))
  8. poquello
    poquello 14 January 2022 20: 44
    +4
    "It is not entirely clear why the Russian special forces,"
    it is quite clear that it seems to them that it is clear not what it seems
  9. Cron
    Cron 14 January 2022 20: 47
    +9
    mentioning as "failures" the operation to free the hostages in the theater "Nord-Ost" and the school in Beslan.

    How tired they are already speculating on these topics. Although they themselves have not encountered such a thing.
    1. AUL
      AUL 14 January 2022 21: 02
      +7
      Let them remember how they themselves twitched to free the hostages from the embassy in Iran. That's really where the liquid disgraced! laughing
    2. den3080
      den3080 14 January 2022 21: 14
      +9
      Quote: Cron
      mentioning as "failures" the operation to free the hostages in the theater "Nord-Ost" and the school in Beslan.
      How tired they are already speculating on these topics. Although they themselves have not encountered such a thing. ...

      Not ... well, "USASOK" very famously saved all the employees of the American diplomatic mission in Iran. Operation Eagle Claw. Google it.

      In 1993, in Mogadishu, a good operation also turned out, right to the envy of all NATO allies.

      I had to take my legs away ... and no longer go there, until today.

      Well, they just didn’t invite Stallone and Schwarzenegger, they acted very presumptuously fool
      And so ... uhh

      .
      1. nnm
        nnm 14 January 2022 21: 43
        +13
        Colleagues, before putting a minus, get the materiel. It was sarcasm. In Iran, Delta simply failed before it even started deploying. The pinwheel crashed into the c130 and burned out both sides, killing both the pilots and support from the USMC. The operation was canceled and this after many MONTHS of preparation.
  10. Skif
    Skif 14 January 2022 20: 47
    +5
    This is the manner of the worst friends - to measure everyone by their own arshin (yard). Pohabel!
    1. nnm
      nnm 14 January 2022 21: 44
      +5
      That's good, that's fine. Let them think like that.
  11. nnm
    nnm 14 January 2022 20: 47
    +23
    A well-known American reaction to a similar comparison, but suddenly someone did not see:
  12. expert
    expert 14 January 2022 20: 48
    +33
    I no longer wrote that I live in Germany. Motherland, the USSR was killed ...
    My boss, his name is Helmut, he served in the Bundeswehr in the KSK, the Bundeswehr Special Forces. So he, with aspiration and reverent respect, speaks of the Russian special forces.
    He secretly keeps an AK bayonet in his desk drawer. Proudly and secretly showed it to me.
    This is the opinion of a German commando.
    1. Ruslan67
      Ruslan67 15 January 2022 00: 52
      +2
      Quote: Fachmann
      , with aspiration and reverent respect, speaks of the special forces of Russia.

      Probably knew Ilya Starinov?
      1. expert
        expert 15 January 2022 00: 58
        +5
        No, he is young, and the Germans do not know our heroes. But, thanks for the message, I will tell him about this legendary man. hi
        1. Ruslan67
          Ruslan67 15 January 2022 01: 00
          +3
          Quote: Fachmann
          and the Germans do not know our heroes.

          I think they know bully The main thing is not to forget am
          1. expert
            expert 15 January 2022 01: 04
            +10
            Here I explain to them, as best I can, what is good and what is bad. I even took five colleagues to St. Petersburg for white nights. They were just amazing. Wild people, they don't know anything about Russia.
            But they are very afraid, you see at the genetic level. I started drinking them with vodka on the plane, I said that otherwise they would not pass passport control. lol
            1. Ruslan67
              Ruslan67 15 January 2022 01: 12
              +3
              Quote: Fachmann
              Wild people, they don't know anything about Russia.

              Door keys are provided but no locks. request I borrowed three rubles, gave the bastard and did not ask when I would give it back ... sad
  13. kind
    kind 14 January 2022 20: 52
    +6
    “Russian special forces are far from meeting Western standards”

    Well, thank God!!!
  14. Ru_Na
    Ru_Na 14 January 2022 20: 52
    +13
    but far from meeting Western standards

    The main thing is that they comply with our domestic standards, and we do not need Western standards and values!
  15. nikolas 83
    nikolas 83 14 January 2022 20: 54
    +7
    And it’s good that they don’t. Our fighters don’t wear a veil and don’t run with sparkling heels.
  16. your vsr 66-67
    your vsr 66-67 14 January 2022 20: 54
    +7
    But they don’t want to try to clash with our specialists ... one on one ... laughing
    1. marat2016
      marat2016 14 January 2022 22: 15
      +3
      They do not want to, because such a thing would be unprofessional. The correct SpN is when no one saw anything, and the object was destroyed / captured / does not work.
  17. Andrei Nikolaevich
    Andrei Nikolaevich 14 January 2022 20: 55
    +7
    God forbid that they ,, match ,,! Chur me, We still lacked homosexuality in the army.
  18. Emergency
    Emergency 14 January 2022 20: 56
    +5
    No. Poor things. They have completely lost their sense of reality in their parallel world. I imagine what will happen to them when reality hits them with this very reality on their physiomrodies.
  19. Nikolay1987
    Nikolay1987 14 January 2022 20: 56
    +6
    Not black or gay?
    1. Dkuznecov
      Dkuznecov 14 January 2022 21: 31
      .
      Can I ask a couple of questions (for my own development) ?
      If yes:
      First question: What do you dislike about Africans?
      The second question is how can a person's intimate life
      affect employment obligations?
      Thank you for your frankness.
      1. Nikolay1987
        Nikolay1987 14 January 2022 22: 00
        +10
        The author is right to point out...
        It is not entirely clear why the Russian special forces, who have their own richest school of training and combat use, should generally meet Western standards.

        The question is brewing what Western standards "we" do not meet? And given the old and new trends in the US, mine is quite logical.
        And yes, I have a strong feeling of disgust for gays, caused not by propaganda, but rather, as something alien, not natural, not natural, just like GMOs)))
        How can a person's intimate life affect employment obligations?

        In the army, where 99% of the men, you yourself do not guess ?!
        1. Dkuznecov
          Dkuznecov 14 January 2022 22: 27
          .
          I don’t guess.
          Tell me how.
          For example, I'm not interested at all
          personal life of my subordinates.
          Even with snowmen, let them hug.
          For the work I will ask in all severity.
          And who's there than in the evening
          does - none of my business, non-public.
          Again - I give a personal example and experience.
          1. Nikolay1987
            Nikolay1987 14 January 2022 22: 35
            +10
            For your work, you can at least flog with rods, fuck everyone, but for the fact that two gays missed a missile attack while they were waving each other, this is a nationwide problem. Is that clearer? laughing
            1. Dkuznecov
              Dkuznecov 14 January 2022 22: 40
              .
              I will not argue,
              but you, too, in your mature years, instead of working, rushed after objects
              your dreams?
              You have a peculiar understanding of duty, honor and conscience,
              this set turns out to depend on the preferences of the intimate plan.
              1. Nikolay1987
                Nikolay1987 14 January 2022 23: 35
                +6
                Discipline, morale! There are clearly defined tasks and people trained for this. Their work takes into account factors affecting the performance of their duties and excludes any factors that may affect their performance. And with your "understanding" doctors will work, who will decide whether you are able to perform these tasks or not. Amen!
                1. Dkuznecov
                  Dkuznecov 15 January 2022 15: 59
                  -1
                  You mixed everything together.
                  Maintaining discipline
                  and morale is the concern of the officers.
                  Or do you think that the promotion in the combat
                  connections of women percent up to 40 will undermine discipline ?
                  Are we animals in the "rut" period? The soldiers will run
                  for ladies in uniform and offer a hand / heart instead of serving?
                  Then, in your opinion, all of NATO can be taken with bare hands,
                  since there the gender composition is not at all 99% of men.
                  1. Nikolay1987
                    Nikolay1987 15 January 2022 18: 14
                    +1
                    I didn’t mix it up, but immediately gave the key factors why they don’t do it this way, because I don’t see much point in chewing each one separately.
                    In your opinion, it would be on someone to blame, for the sake of taking care of .... yes, by the way, taking care of what? Tolerance? Gender equality? Feminism?.
                    That is, if this is the duty of officers, then you can not worry that we will complicate their service?! The main thing is the fulfillment of duties! And if specialists - doctors, senior military officials, scientists, historians, and not politicians, commercial organizations or lobbyists, have decided that there will be no mixed male and female barracks, I'm already silent about gay ones, then this is necessary for national security.
                    NATO has its own standards for service, I don't care about them. Their safety, their business.
      2. Roman_vh
        Roman_vh 14 January 2022 22: 17
        +6
        Well, if you did not immediately understand such simple things, then development is hardly possible.
        1. Dkuznecov
          Dkuznecov 15 January 2022 15: 53
          -1
          Well, then tell us about yourself, you are our mysterious.
          Share your life experience.
          "Dypak himself" is not an argument.
          Thank you.
          And pay attention, aggression is not too
          good way to discuss.
          We are not losing a cow here, or signing pacts.
      3. just exp
        just exp 15 January 2022 00: 29
        +3
        What do you like about Africans?
        Doesn't the fact that a bearded man in a dress will work with you in your office bother you?
        1. datura23
          datura23 15 January 2022 11: 15
          0
          It grows a beard in a dress
        2. Dkuznecov
          Dkuznecov 15 January 2022 15: 47
          -1
          I have friends of a similar plan. work like everyone else
          do not wear dresses. I see that many "commentators" have quite
          a perverted understanding of those we are talking about.
          No, they don’t rush at anyone with courtship, and they don’t paint their lips.
          Ordinary people solve their problems like everyone else - after hours.
          Therefore, I do not understand the aggressive position at all.
          some comrades.
          By the way, I have nothing to do with these preferences,
          as someone tried to imagine.
          But I have a couple of programmers on staff who work
          fine, they sit at a distance. I, in fact, work from them
          needed, that's all.
          Thanks to everyone who listened and was not rude.
          1. just exp
            just exp 16 January 2022 03: 52
            0
            now they don’t dress up in dresses, because they can grab it, but if they are given power, then ...
            If you looked at the video of the first gay parades, there were just men in men's clothes marching in a column and that's it.
            and now 30-40 years have passed and look at what they have become now.
            then they were afraid and therefore walked in normal clothes and behaved normally. when they stop being afraid...
            in general, watch the video yourself, it’s disgusting for me to even look for links (I saw these videos, so I know that it’s disgusting)
            1. Dkuznecov
              Dkuznecov 16 January 2022 12: 47
              0
              well, I think we will be raked for such a demonstration right away.
              In general, I am against ANY protrusion of my own like umm.
              sexual and religious preferences.
              Both are deeply intimate, not public things.
        3. Dkuznecov
          Dkuznecov 15 January 2022 15: 51
          0
          Africans themselves are very artistic, temperamental,
          musical and theatrical. Without them life would be
          sure, more gray and dull.
          And I don’t even want to talk about jazz, this is their invention,
          I like too. Please see the Green Book
          great movie, watch in one breath,
          without breaks.
          1. Roman_vh
            Roman_vh 15 January 2022 16: 35
            +2
            Your dull mentoring is depressing. And nothing more. Lectures on the dangers of alcoholism and promiscuity, this is in another thread, but rather another resource.
          2. just exp
            just exp 16 January 2022 03: 49
            0
            Oh yeah. everyone knows the famous African operas and musicals, and Negro composers are simply snapped up all over the planet.
            the ancient civilizations of Africa are simply amazing with their architecture (if Egypt and Carthage are not blacks), but the fact that they are still hiding behind leaves is because of their love for ecology.
            many articles have already been written about what blacks are fighters.
            even Black Panther was not filmed by blacks.
      4. sgrabik
        sgrabik 16 January 2022 16: 52
        +1
        The army is a special sphere, with its own specific ways, there is absolutely no place for any experiments with the complete freedom of the individual, which takes place in the "civilian", in the West they apparently decided to forget about it, but for us it is only for the good, in our the army should not conduct such experiments, the army should remain an army and not a circus arena !!!
  20. hohol95
    hohol95 14 January 2022 21: 04
    +21
    "Special Forces" of the US Army and NATO countries do not comply with Russian GOST!
  21. Gato
    Gato 14 January 2022 21: 05
    +15
    Completely incorrect comparison. There are indeed about 60 thousand people under the command of USSOCOM (the main directorate of the MTR of the US Defense Ministry). But not all of them are combat units. This number includes many auxiliary units, such as:
    95th Civil Affairs Brigade (95th Civil Affairs Brigade);
    several groups (according to the number of regiments) of information support for military operations (Military Information Support Groups);
    528th Support Brigade (528th Sustainment Brigade) - logistics, logistics and medical support;
    as well as a bunch of all sorts of crap like PsyOps, chemical and radiation intelligence, communications, etc.
    If we take the average ratio of combat and support units for the US Armed Forces, then we will also get 10-15 thousand active ukhorez.
  22. Retvizan 8
    Retvizan 8 14 January 2022 21: 09
    +19
    ... "Russian special forces are far from meeting Western standards" ...
    "Dear" you are our foreign expert!
    You have no idea how happy you are with your analytics!
    Let the callaborators from Ukraine strive to meet your standards, and let our guys have a decent training school and more than once bent over all evil spirits with cancer!
  23. agoran
    agoran 14 January 2022 21: 11
    +12
    In the old 90s, when there was friendship-chewing gum, paratroopers from the Pskov division were taken to France for competitions.
    In the words of a paratrooper:
    - parachute training among the Franks is not bad,
    - the Franks lost the march, (there are many reasons, and not all due to poor preparation)
    - shooter, somewhere, in some disciplines better, somewhere worse, well, 50/50.
    Food, well, where without it, the Franks ate our rations and asked for more.
    From myself: I liked the flight ration. If without zuppe, a good slice of ham, cheese, large grapes, herbs, marmalade, instant coffee, sugar.
  24. ose4kinsura
    ose4kinsura 14 January 2022 21: 12
    +1
    Well, Yes! And who is against it! Americans want to die for Coke! But we don’t!
    1. Slap
      Slap 15 January 2022 05: 50
      +1
      Oh, and don't forget the hamburger. Big Mac is better.
  25. SKIF555
    SKIF555 14 January 2022 21: 16
    +1
    Direct battle will show!
    1. nnm
      nnm 14 January 2022 21: 28
      +14
      This will mean that both sides have failed completely. Special forces are certainly not for frontal attacks.
      1. SKIF555
        SKIF555 15 January 2022 01: 43
        -2
        I agree! Not the same tasks, but they offer to repeat (for them again) Tehran, Kabul, Mogadishu and again Kabul! And we are not there.
    2. cniza
      cniza 14 January 2022 21: 34
      +3
      Is he needed? maybe let them dream?
  26. usr01
    usr01 14 January 2022 21: 22
    +7
    The main thing is that they correspond to the Soviet ones ... that's enough for you.
  27. Third district
    Third district 14 January 2022 21: 25
    +8
    It seems that here in the comments, some commandos have gathered. They all threw their hats on. Painted a portrait of an American commando. He looks like this: a representative of non-traditional sexual orientation, in diapers and a backpack with toilet paper. The Germans, too, at one time were drawn on caricatures, with twisted morels in helmets. And these morels reached the Volga and the Caucasus. It's bad to underestimate the enemy.
    1. Altona
      Altona 14 January 2022 22: 24
      +6
      Quote: Third District
      Painted a portrait of an American commando. He looks like this

      -------------------------------
      Why? This is usually a completely sane character who cares about insurance and payments. He is quite good at all the skills that he was taught. But amateurs from Washington always manage to impose on him the worst scenario of the operation.
    2. akarfoxhound
      akarfoxhound 14 January 2022 22: 36
      +8
      If we move away from the topic of special forces, then in kukryniksy our nemchura were painted not before the war, but during the war, incl. and when they were already in Stalingrad and the Caucasus (in Tiberd I saw a pack of Kazbek "Greetings from the Caucasus" there, in the well-known picture of a smoker, the black silhouette of a mountaineer on a horse gives a pendal "morel in a helmet"). But this is propaganda.
      For example, I know when ours worked on their task behind the card and Amer's specialists worked on their topics. An unspoken gentlemen's agreement - no one "hurt" each other with all professional respect (if I may say so during hostilities). Then the minke whales, in disagreement with the stage owners who invited them, had a serious set-up of our guys. Our work "nothing personal" is over, which they did not fail to warn about. Overseas guests very quickly pulled off the stage to the "distant rear" (I suspect the principle worked - the corpses do not need money). It also happened when, on a hot continent, a group left 2 snipers to cut off the tail. The result - 40 corpses, lying down and, as a result, mostly roasted on hot sand, we have one heavy, all at home. And the tail was not made up of ordinary boys.
      This is not about the fact that there are no specialists in the West, this is about the fact that our non-bast shoes slurp cabbage soup. Surprises can come from all sides.
  28. Sands Careers General
    Sands Careers General 14 January 2022 21: 26
    +2
    What deafening nonsense laughing

    The standards of the Western "special forces - special forces" are to tick at the slightest nix with superior enemy forces with full diapers of manure.
    1. nnm
      nnm 14 January 2022 21: 46
      +9
      Well, this is not the right position, dear colleague. There are also very, very serious guys with excellent training and with funding much cooler than ours. Therefore, it is better to overestimate them than to think that the delta player can be beaten with earflaps.
      1. akarfoxhound
        akarfoxhound 14 January 2022 22: 10
        +8
        Quote: nnm
        ... than to assume that a Delta man can be beaten with earflaps.

        If my memory serves me right, the Deltovites, who were very worried about the progress of students, the "Cuban builders" in Grenada did a very good job. DShK is not earflaps, of course, but the effective zeroing episode was ...
        1. nnm
          nnm 14 January 2022 22: 19
          +15
          Colleague, well, you should not make claims to the instrument if the problem is in the hand holding it. Our Alpha also suffered crazy losses in Beslan. But not because the unit was not trained, but because, well, this is how the situation developed, they went head-on with time pressure. Well, it happens to everyone. Well, there are no perfect solutions, only profitable and ideal situations, always, everything that can happen bad happens. And the specialists operate beyond the line, where they can and do the unthinkable, but not everything is in their power.
          And I wouldn’t be surprised if the “Cuban builders” who drove the delta turned out to be guys from Vympel ...
          It happens. Today we, tomorrow us. Specialists of this level are just the pinnacle, and it is far from correct to assume that someone in the delta walks in high heels and wags his butt. These are specialists. And they will bite seriously. And you have to be ready for this.
      2. Nikolay1987
        Nikolay1987 14 January 2022 22: 16
        +5
        Yes, it is clear that without a specific characteristic by which the special forces of both countries can be compared, this is an article for the sake of a holivar.
        1. nnm
          nnm 14 January 2022 22: 37
          +8
          That is exactly what I want to say. Comparison of a spherical horse in a vacuum.
          I'm more worried about how our specialists are used. Why did the same Alpha begin to be used for detention on economic crimes? It's like hammering nails with a microscope. And even worse, when the fighters of the same Alpha, when detained in a bank, begin to shove wads of money under the armor .... how is it, in general, perhaps this is ALPHA !!!??
          1. Timeout
            Timeout 15 January 2022 03: 08
            +4
            Quote: nnm
            how is it, in general, perhaps, this is ALPHA !!!??

            Unfortunately, it is possible .... Over the past 20 years, the quality of special forces employees has fallen sharply. What can I say, remember the AFSB graduates on the "Gelika".
      3. Sands Careers General
        Sands Careers General 14 January 2022 22: 34
        +2
        These are the words to say to the Yankees and their hangers-on.
        And then they imagined themselves to be airships, they say our special forces are the most special forces in the world, no one will re-specialize us laughing
        1. Timeout
          Timeout 15 January 2022 11: 37
          +1
          Quote: General of the Sand Quarries
          These are the words to say to the Yankees and their hangers-on.

          What for? He who sees will see...
          Himself from these units, the third battalion. Only without any specials. In fact, well-trained fighters and that's all .. But with a huge pump, there is no one better than us. And fought
          also. And now what in our time was considered commonplace is passed off as heroism.
          It's just sad...
  29. Mountain shooter
    Mountain shooter 14 January 2022 21: 31
    +14
    Not so long ago in Syria, 16 !!! guys from the MTR were holding a battalion in position !!! ISIS. Day! And not a single soldier was lost. Maybe the vaunted striped ears will remember something in comparison?
    1. Barberry25
      Barberry25 14 January 2022 22: 41
      +4
      there is an opinion that the Americans considered ordinary military police to be "special forces"
    2. dauria
      dauria 14 January 2022 23: 59
      0
      16!!! guys from the MTR were kept in position by a battalion !!


      "Battalion" means it was like that. Miracles don't happen. The advantage is three to one - and even if you are Rimbaud, they will roll away. Ordinary motorized riflemen will roll out any special forces and landing forces in such a battle. This is exactly what they are taught. But hiding in vegetable gardens is already special forces.
      1. Mountain shooter
        Mountain shooter 15 January 2022 00: 36
        +4
        Quote: dauria
        "Battalion" means it was like that. Miracles don't happen. The advantage is three to one - and even if you are Rimbaud

        Without the use of artillery, it’s not so easy ... At least 3 to 1, at least 10. Fighters who skillfully use both mining and portable ATGMs, shooting accurately from riflemen - at the level of very good shooters, plus a couple of snipers in a group (although for 16 people there should have been 4)...
        In the very first clash they laid down a company, then they hit a couple of armored "torpedoes on wheels" with martyrs (they wrote that they were ATGMs from the flank), at night they reinstalled mines in those places that the ISIS had already passed in attacks. How they psychologically broke the enemy - and there the Syrians who came to their senses arrived in time. This is a necessary advantage in an attack on an EQUAL enemy 3 to 1. And for this - and 10 to 1 is not enough.
  30. cniza
    cniza 14 January 2022 21: 33
    +11
    It is not entirely clear why the Russian special forces, who have their own richest school of training and combat use, should generally meet Western standards.


    The most correct question...
  31. Emergency
    Emergency 14 January 2022 21: 33
    +7
    When the Pindos begin to inflate their goiter and spread their tail, their operation "Red Wings" is recalled. what Maybe well, these are your standards?
  32. Altona
    Altona 14 January 2022 21: 36
    +9
    Well, suffice it to recall the recent. For example, leaving the Kabul airport last fall. Very professional footwork. They don't care about diplomatic missions, especially valuable characters and other functions. Kakbe impression formed. Nothing personal. By the way, the same opinion was formed about the vaunted soldiers of one mountainous republic, who bravely drove on trucks on a forced march.
  33. ose4kinsura
    ose4kinsura 14 January 2022 21: 36
    +2
    Provocative article! Has nothing to do with reality!
    1. Altona
      Altona 14 January 2022 22: 13
      +3
      Quote: ose4kinsura
      Provocative article!

      --------------------------
      Why? The usual article for a lot of money. For money, they will write to you that the rooster is a migratory bird and nests in the tundra. Flies to the Cayman Islands for the winter.
  34. kventinasd
    kventinasd 14 January 2022 21: 40
    +7
    but far from meeting Western standards

    Well, in principle, the training of their special forces, judging by the Georgian-Afghan results, suits the Russian army quite well. I won’t be surprised that North Korean specialists can also teach good lessons to various deltas and other cats there.
    1. Slap
      Slap 15 January 2022 06: 02
      -1
      And what do the war in Afghanistan and the events of 08.08.08 have in common with the training of US special forces?
      1. kventinasd
        kventinasd 15 January 2022 14: 23
        +1
        Quote: Shlepa
        And what do the war in Afghanistan and the events of 08.08.08 have in common with the training of US special forces?

        The fact that in both cases these specialists and the students of these specialists, with a big nix, draped faster than the wind.
        1. Slap
          Slap 15 January 2022 20: 38
          -1
          Well, if we judge by the students, then the numerous Arab drops do not speak in your favor.
      2. alexey sidykin
        alexey sidykin 15 January 2022 15: 10
        +2
        Quote: Shlepa
        And what do the war in Afghanistan and the events of 08.08.08 have in common with the training of US special forces?

        I remember during the capture of the island of Grenada, the vaunted "seals" lost two of their groups without even engaging in battle ...
        1. Slap
          Slap 15 January 2022 20: 40
          -2
          If I understand you correctly, “special forces zilch because the helicopter came under fire?”
          1. alexey sidykin
            alexey sidykin 16 January 2022 17: 47
            +1
            Quote: Shlepa
            If I understand you correctly, “special forces zilch because the helicopter came under fire?”

            What firing? This is me about the losses of the seals before the start of the operation. When one group drowned, the second group was immediately picked up, dangling in the sea with a stalled engine, and the third was notably beaten up by the gendarmes and which sat out the entire operation on the beach ...
  35. Viktor Sergeev
    Viktor Sergeev 14 January 2022 21: 41
    +5
    Is it the Western standard to get lost in Iran and get completely screwed up? Or can the standard act everywhere only after the suppression of the enemy by force or quantity? They don't even know how to run, if a helicopter breaks down, they die at the fifth kilometer. Yes, ours are not like these snickering penguins.
    1. Altona
      Altona 14 January 2022 22: 17
      +5
      Quote: Victor Sergeev
      Is it the Western standard to get lost in Iran and get completely screwed up?

      -----------------------
      Here you are in vain so evil. Here is just a complete victory of standards. This is when paper maps were canceled, and GPS did not turn on.)))
  36. Der Spiegel
    Der Spiegel 14 January 2022 21: 45
    +8
    I don’t understand at all whether it is necessary for someone to compare the school of Western and our special forces, but from personal observation: for some reason, our special forces learned quite well to copy 3.14nDOStansky, at least in terms of equipment and weapons (because I am not an employee or soldier special forces), then there is no need to write about the "inner kitchen" - oshs, tactics and the like. But I have repeatedly observed that our special forces are very fond of lowa, multicam, gore-tex and all sorts of such foreign gadgets. Of course, there are primordially our things, such as everyone's favorite "slide", but nevertheless, there is a fact of some borrowing. The essence of my post boils down to the fact that our specialists carefully study the experience of Western colleagues (if I may say so) and, as it seems to me, something that in their opinion is worthwhile is adopted into their practice, which I do not consider shameful.
    1. Altona
      Altona 14 January 2022 22: 20
      +6
      Quote: Der Spiegel
      that our special forces are very fond of lowa, multicam, gore-tex and all sorts of such foreign lotions.

      -----------------------
      Yes, everyone loves, and I love. Now the hunter is armed better than a soldier of the Second World War. Shop semi-automatic guns, powerful binoculars with night vision devices, thermal suits for ambush. Animals just don't stand a chance.
      1. Sankiny
        Sankiny 15 January 2022 08: 39
        +4
        Quote: Altona
        Animals just don't stand a chance.

        I agree, especially when they confuse a wild boar and a pregnant elk, "to ... satisfy hunger!" )))
  37. Sergey39
    Sergey39 14 January 2022 21: 51
    +3
    I wonder what they will say after contact with Our specialists?)))
    1. Emergency
      Emergency 14 January 2022 22: 51
      +7
      winked Ideally, they don't have to say anything.
    2. TUNISIA
      TUNISIA 14 January 2022 23: 22
      +2
      Yes, we've talked...
    3. alexey sidykin
      alexey sidykin 15 January 2022 15: 05
      +1
      Quote: Sergey39
      I wonder what they will say after contact with Our specialists?)))

      They will not say anything, they will simply die not knowing that they have come into contact with the Russian special forces.
  38. Fantazer911
    Fantazer911 14 January 2022 21: 51
    +10
    Here, Russian special operations troops clashed with their American counterparts and found that the US forces were more formidable than expected.

    I agree with the author! Our special forces are of the wrong standard, they don’t wait for cola, they don’t take paper to the trenches, they don’t bring burgers.
  39. akarfoxhound
    akarfoxhound 14 January 2022 21: 57
    +5
    This indoor woodpecker is an "expert", it's easier to find out where the American "specialists" have not been fully excruciated! One Iranian operation in all its glory says a lot
    1. Slap
      Slap 15 January 2022 06: 10
      -4
      Tell me what Beslan and Nord-Ost are talking about? Or is it different?
      1. alexey sidykin
        alexey sidykin 15 January 2022 15: 03
        +2
        Quote: Shlepa
        Tell me what Beslan and Nord-Ost are talking about? Or is it different?

        Yes, this is different, the elimination of a specific person and the release of hostages are completely different operations. We have eliminated quite a few people like Bin Laden. Starting with Dudayev and others ... but the Americans cannot boast of a single successful operation to free the hostages ... they slumped everywhere and with a bang
        1. Slap
          Slap 15 January 2022 20: 42
          -3
          Do you know about all hostage rescue operations? Cool. Can I have a link?
          1. alexey sidykin
            alexey sidykin 16 January 2022 17: 34
            0
            Quote: Shlepa
            Do you know about all hostage rescue operations? Cool. Can I have a link?

            You are here talking about the American special forces, as I understand it, you yourself are not aware of the successful liberation of the hostages by the Americans about the failure in Iran, everyone in Yemen knows very well
      2. akarfoxhound
        akarfoxhound 15 January 2022 17: 23
        +2
        And what do you know about the actions of the special forces in the same Beslan? Judging by the exhaust, an attentive admirer of the "Echo of Matza" - no way! That's why it's different
  40. garik77
    garik77 14 January 2022 21: 59
    +7
    Interestingly, the Yankees will not burst from arrogance? Judging by the shameful flight from Afghanistan, their special forces are so shitty that they do not deserve a mention at all.
    1. Slap
      Slap 15 January 2022 06: 11
      -1
      What does flight from Afghanistan mean? They didn’t have an order, and under the onslaught of the formidable Taliban, throwing their weapons, sobbing, fled?
  41. shoroh
    shoroh 14 January 2022 21: 59
    +4
    How I like these conversations of Western amateur hacks about the troops of a potential enemy. ))) What do the US special forces mean, everyone saw during the operation to destroy Bin Laden. 1 helicopter crashed without any resistance from Bin Laden's guards. Well, the epicness of the flight from Afghanistan was included in all the textbooks of military art as an example of how to crap yourself when withdrawing troops.
    1. Slap
      Slap 15 January 2022 06: 16
      -3
      The withdrawal of troops and the organization of the duty of special forces? I did not know about the existence of logistics special forces. And the fact that the pilot made a mistake that did not affect the outcome of the operation is also DEVGRU's fault?
  42. garik77
    garik77 14 January 2022 22: 00
    +1
    Quote: Sergey39
    I wonder what they will say after contact with Our specialists?)))

    There will be no time to talk, they will wash their pants. laughing
  43. faterdom
    faterdom 14 January 2022 22: 15
    +10
    Eco, he turned down about Beslan and Nord-Ost ... With the use of tanks ...
    I think that Western specialists in such a situation would not have coped at all, maybe only Israeli ones, judging not by bragging, but by the achieved results of operations behind them.
  44. Graz
    Graz 14 January 2022 22: 28
    +4
    Yes, yes, we saw how we received green berets from naked Africans, according to the video from the cameras on the helmets, they are just such a pro laughing , incompetence and stupidity cubed is their motto hi
  45. rocket757
    rocket757 14 January 2022 22: 29
    +7
    - noted in the US press.
    ... Their Hollywood special forces are super-duper, but in kind ... where did they show themselves, did they show themselves directly as supermen?
    In Yemen? in Iraq? in Syria? no, no, no rolls, where then???
    Or do we not know something?
    1. TUNISIA
      TUNISIA 14 January 2022 23: 20
      +4
      Apparently you don't know something. And we are with you.
      1. rocket757
        rocket757 14 January 2022 23: 56
        +2
        Well, yes, but the writer knows more?
  46. Klingon
    Klingon 14 January 2022 22: 32
    +6
    Smart guys... Don't fuck with Nordost and Beslan if you don't know the specifics of the Caucasus. It is worth recalling how their vaunted special forces screwed up in Iraq with a Black Hawk helicopter, and before that there was a lot more: the infamous failed operation Eagle Claw, Red Wings, and the complete mess in Mogadishu. This is generally epic: American special forces equipped with the latest, against dudes in slippers from the DShK from the time of the IVS wassat
  47. Victor Dubovitsky
    Victor Dubovitsky 14 January 2022 22: 36
    +12
    Why should we look up to assholes? Our guys ... You are up to them, like walking to the moon.
    1. provergatel
      provergatel 17 January 2022 09: 42
      0
      Crap! Fuck off, of course. T-62! And that's just 13,5 years ago.

      Nevertheless, over these incomplete decade and a half, our army has seriously qualitatively changed for the better.
  48. Barberry25
    Barberry25 14 January 2022 22: 39
    +6
    will the Americans after Mount Carmel teach someone how to storm?
  49. komandir8
    komandir8 14 January 2022 22: 40
    -6
    Our special forces abroad after Afghanistan fought only in Syria and then in separate units. In recent years, the Americans and the British have accumulated extensive experience in conducting special operations, they are still conducting them in Iraq, Syria and Libya. And in terms of the number of trained personnel, weapons and logistics, they are at a very high level. So we have a lot of work to do in this direction.
    1. TUNISIA
      TUNISIA 14 January 2022 23: 17
      +7
      Directly only in Syria after Afghanistan? Yeah...
    2. cat Rusich
      cat Rusich 15 January 2022 00: 26
      +3
      Quote: komandir8
      In recent years, the Americans and the British have accumulated extensive experience in conducting special operations, they are still conducting them in Iraq, Syria and Libya. And in terms of the number of trained personnel, weapons and logistics, they are at a very high level. So we have a lot of work to do in this direction.
      Afghanistan 2001-21...
      The special forces of the United States, Britain, France, Germany ... had 20 years in order to crush the Taliban one by one or in small groups, to kill the "field commanders" from young to old ...
      VERDICT
      The Taliban took full control of Afghanistan even before the US troops had time run away from Kabul.
      1. komandir8
        komandir8 15 January 2022 16: 43
        +1
        The Taliban cannot be crushed, this national-religious movement enjoying the full support of the vast majority of Afghanistan and the military intelligence of Pakistan. And the Americans understood this, and therefore left Afghanistan by making a political decision, since there was no point in staying there forever, a waste of finances and resources. Another thing is that the withdrawal of troops was poorly planned and organized, and the haste with which the entire coalition grouping left raises many questions.
    3. Uncle Vanya Susanin
      Uncle Vanya Susanin 16 January 2022 09: 48
      0
      We saw these special operations: to shoot the unarmed from helicopters! In this, yes, they have no equal, but we do not need this!
  50. Prisoner
    Prisoner 14 January 2022 22: 41
    +6
    Why do we need Western standards? Ours are no worse, at least. And in terms of ability for creativity, for improvisation, for non-standard moves and determination in general, there are few equal to ours.